Rachel Maddow Belatedly Realizes That Fort Hood Massacre Was Terrorism After All
Not bad, it took her a mere 18 months to grasp this.
On her MSNBC show Monday night, the first time it ran after the death of bin Laden, Rachel Maddow cited several post-9/11 examples of terrorism targeting Americans in the US -- including the attack at Fort Hood in November 2009.
"Since Sept. 11, the story of terrorism targeting the United States itself has mostly, thankfully, been the story of thwarted attacks," Maddow said, such as the so-called shoe bomber and underwear bomber, a plot to detonate explosives in the New York City subway system, the failed bombing of Times Square, and the so-called Dallas bomber who targeted former president George W. Bush.
"And then there was the mass-casualty shooting at Fort Hood in Texas in 2009, carried out by Major Nidal Hasan," Maddow said.
Quite a contrast with how Maddow described the incident on her show Nov. 12, 2009, fully a week after the carnage (video after page break) --
Remember this one? Yes, it is the old paint-the-Democrats-as-soft-on-terror routine. But in order to play that politicizing-terrorism, anti-Democrat greatest hit, the Fort Hood case has to be terrorism. Regardless of how you feel about the political issue of politicizing terrorism, it's worth asking -- was Fort Hood, technically speaking, terrorism? It's not just a political question. It's not just a judgment call. It's not just a matter of taste. It's a question to which there is an answer, a legal answer, and the charges today didn't include anything related to terrorism.
Terrorism is not just conceptual political jargon. This is a legal term and it has, interestingly, changed over the past few years. In order for something to be legally considered terrorism, do you have to be taking instructions from a terrorist group? Do you have to have some sort of clear political motive behind the violence? Is it about the way that you commit the crime, what sort of weapons that you use in doing? Is it about how many people that you kill in your crime? Is it about the specific type of people you target, whether they're civilian or military?
If you're interested in more than just making political hay out of the Fort Hood case, these are the sort of legitimate questions you would want to ask before labeling this or any case an instance of terrorism. Those who are calling this terrorism are making their case in large part because Major Hasan is a Muslim and because he is alleged to have said, God is great, before the shootings. And while it might make for exciting politics to argue that murders committed by religious Muslims are presumptively terrorist acts, those exciting political allegations actually say a lot more about the people making them than they do about the real character of the tragedy at Fort Hood and how we as a country should respond to it.
Five months earlier, after Scott Roeder gunned down abortion doctor George Tiller in his Kansas church, Maddow waited all of 24 hours to deem the killing terrorism. As I wrote at the time, Maddow opened her show on June 1, 2009, one day after Tiller's murder, by saying this -- "We begin tonight with another deadly act of domestic terrorism."
After recounting examples of violence against abortion providers since the early 1990s, Maddow said this about Tiller's death, accompanied by a banner-headline screen graphic that read "TERRORISM" --
And then yesterday, George Tiller was shot again. This time it was inside his church in Wichita. He was killed instantly. A man named Scott Roeder is the suspect in custody in this case. He's known in extremist anti-abortion circles.
To paraphrase the words of another observer -- was Tiller's death, technically speaking, terrorism? It's not just a political question or a judgment call, nor a matter of taste. It's a question to which there is a legal answer -- and the charges for which Roeder was convicted did not include terrorism.
It's also worth noting that in the year and a half since Hasan brought his personal jihad to Fort Hood, the charges against him have not been broadened to include terrorism. Regardless, Maddow now describes Hasan as a terrorist. Inquisitive minds would love to learn -- why the change of heart, Rach?
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Other than her twin sister
Submitted by bkeyser on Thu, 05/05/2011 - 3:13pm.
Other than her twin sister -Garofalo- I don't think there is another pundit/talking head that I loathe more; she makes snide look good. Such a disgusting person.
Oh, I don't know
Submitted by Joe W. on Thu, 05/05/2011 - 3:48pm.
Chrissy "Tingle Legs" Mathews comes to mind............
Chunk Bugar is a close second
Submitted by povertypimpin on Thu, 05/05/2011 - 6:55pm.
Chunk Bugar is a close second
Grandmaw always said a blind
Submitted by ricklail on Thu, 05/05/2011 - 3:54pm.
Grandmaw always said a blind hog would find an acorn once and a while.
Hold up...
Submitted by Djinn1975 on Thu, 05/05/2011 - 4:00pm.
wait a minute.
'Those who are calling this terrorism are making their case in large part because Major Hasan is a Muslim and because he is alleged to have said, God is great, before the shootings.'
1) He's not alleged to have said anything, he said it.
2) It certainly wasn't 'God is great,' it was 'Allahu Akbar.' Huge difference.
3) Liberals are always a day late and a dollar short getting on the 'right' side of an issue.
Is it just me
Submitted by Djinn1975 on Thu, 05/05/2011 - 4:02pm.
or has the WOT become fashionable to liberals? Maybe Libya brought out the hawk in them.
Me thinks it's more like it brought the fantasy of a 2nd term out in them.
Just sayin'.
I was thinking same thing
Submitted by Jack Coleman on Thu, 05/05/2011 - 4:24pm.
Heard WOT mentioned more by libs since bin Laden's death and US role in Libya than all of last 10 years
OMO, Jack!
Submitted by Blonde on Thu, 05/05/2011 - 4:31pm.
Obama forgot to send me the memo that it was okay to use those words again.
I'm so embarrassed.
So we can now use "terrorism", instead of "man-made disaster"?
I guess it's just WTF kicking in, what with the KMA and all that.
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And what happened to overseas
Submitted by motherbelt on Thu, 05/05/2011 - 5:25pm.
And what happened to overseas contingency operations??
Yup, when Democrats actually have a candidate with military experience, it's paramount to the presidency. When a Republican has it and a Democrat doesn't, it doesn't matter.
So yeah, War on Terror is back in vogue now that we have a Democrat leading the charge.
I knew there was an euphamism for that
Submitted by Blonde on Thu, 05/05/2011 - 5:37pm.
But I couldn't, for the life of me, think of it.
Thanks.
I wonder which vocabulary Rach will use now that Obama's warmongering is so popular?
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MB & Blonde: How about WOE?
Submitted by Chris Norman on Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:17am.
Blonde, I vote we call the 2012 campaign The War on Error.
Chris Norman....
Submitted by Blonde on Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:28am.
I love you!
Don't be such a stranger. You always get it JUST RIGHT.
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Blonde,
Submitted by Chris Norman on Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:55am.
Aw, shucks, my blushes. Right back atcha. By the way, I finally checked my inbox and answered your PM, if you haven't already seen it. I'll try to stay awake long enough to get on here more. :)
Thwarted attacks?
Submitted by motherbelt on Thu, 05/05/2011 - 5:22pm.
How about bumbling terrorists, Rachel?
The underwear bomber and the Times Square both failed because of equipment malfunctions, not because anyone stopped them.
And don't forget, Janet Incompetano deemed the system worked because airlines were notified AFTER the failed BVD bombing attempt .
Yeah, that's the 1st thing I
Submitted by povertypimpin on Thu, 05/05/2011 - 6:58pm.
Yeah, that's the 1st thing I noticed. She said "thwarted" to make it seem like the Obama administration had something to do with the failure of the attacks.
His testosterone injections...
Submitted by almostacowboy on Thu, 05/05/2011 - 5:36pm.
must be taking effect.
Did Richard Maddow put on
Submitted by johnsonl on Thu, 05/05/2011 - 5:38pm.
his "smart guy" glasses to figure this one out? P.S. Rickie-men should act like men and women should act like ladies.
In cajun country*
Submitted by cajun2 on Thu, 05/05/2011 - 6:28pm.
We try to be nice, even when we meet the worst clutz,, coullion, dumb bimbo we say something nice. To people like Maddow, we would say......you so pretty!
So in cajun country...
Submitted by Radical1979 on Thu, 05/05/2011 - 7:13pm.
you "stretch" the truth somewhat eh?
LOL
yes Ms Rad*
Submitted by cajun2 on Thu, 05/05/2011 - 7:20pm.
Kinda like playing with "silly putty".
Jack - I don't see that Maddow sees "terrorism" here yet ??
Submitted by Gary Hall on Thu, 05/05/2011 - 7:12pm.
Maddow introduced her list under the umbrella of the .. "story of thwarted attacks."
After her short list of "so called thwarted attacks," she adds the Ft. Hood horror by noting, "And then." But, she introduces the attack in Ft. Hood as a "mass-casuality shooting:"
I don't see that anywhere in here, Maddow allowed that Hasan's actions were associated with terrorism.
If she believed it was a terror attack, should she not have used the word?
I'd also note that she didn't refer to him as a radical Islamic terrorist being directed by a known wanted al Qaeda leader in Yemen.
She's not there, yet.
(;~/ gary
Oh she's there all right, Gary
Submitted by Jack Coleman on Thu, 05/05/2011 - 8:01pm.
Maddow began her list under the umbrella of the post-9/11 "story of terrorism targeting the United States" -- presumably by terrorists. And she clearly included Fort Hood on the list.
Lesbian Lifestyle Leads to Loopy Logic
Submitted by Motormouth KOS on Fri, 05/06/2011 - 9:02am.
Poor Rachel. Her self-loathing ways, which she tries to masquerade with her OlberwomAn-wannabe behaviors are starting to catch up with her.
When all of your "opinions" are borne of an agenda, it can be hard to remember what you actually believe.
Now that Lil Dykey wants to praise Barry Hussein for being a tough guy, she has to rewrite what she said when he sat on his ass and let Janet Napolean call the Fort Hood killing a "man-made disaster"
Call Rosie, maybe she will sit on your face and suffocate you Rachel
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Damn!
Submitted by Patriot II on Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:13pm.
Even a blind squirrel gets a nut now and then! Or is it "even a blind nut gets a squirrel now and then"?