Maddow at Most Orwellian: Murder of Abortion Doctor 'Terrorism' - But Not Ft. Hood Massacre by Jihadist

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Rachel Maddow wants you to stop referring to Nidal Hasan as a terrorist. Please. You know what short fuses they have.

Responding to Republicans' condemnation of Hasan's actions as terrorism, Maddow furrowed her brow and played devil's advocate, as befitting an honorary member of the al Qaeda Legal Defense Foundation --

MADDOW: Remember this one? Yes, it is the old paint-the-Democrats-as-soft-on-terror routine. But in order to play that politicizing terrorism, anti-Democrat greatest hit, the Fort Hood case has to be terrorism. Regardless of how you feel about the political issue of politicizing terrorism, it's worth asking -- was Fort Hood, technically speaking, terrorism? It's not just a political question. It's not just a judgment call. It's not just a matter of taste. It's a question to which there is an answer, a legal answer. And the charges today didn't include anything related to terrorism.

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Terrorism is not just conceptual political jargon. This is a legal term and it has, interestingly, changed over the past few years. In order for something to be legally considered terrorism, do you have to be taking instructions from a terrorist group? Do you have to have some sort of clear political motive behind the violence? Is it about the way that you commit the crime? What sort of weapons that you use in doing? Is it about how many people that you kill in your crime? Is it about the specific type of people you target, whether they're civilian or military?

If you're interested in more than just making political hay out of the Fort Hood case, these are the sort of legitimate questions you would want to ask before labeling this, or any case, an instance of terrorism. Those who are calling this terrorism are making their case in large part because Major Hasan is a Muslim and because he is alleged to have said, God is great, before the shootings. And while it might make for exciting politics to argue that murders committed by religious Muslims are presumptively terrorist acts, those exciting political allegations actually say a lot more about the people making them than they do about the real character of the tragedy at Fort Hood and how we as a country should respond to it.

That's Maddow on her MSNBC show Nov. 12. What a contrast to her first MSNBC broadcast after the murder of abortion doctor George Tiller in late May. Here's how Maddow described it right at the start of her show June 1 (click here for link to YouTube video) --

MADDOW: We begin tonight with another deadly act of domestic terrorism.

As Maddow said this, a photo of Tiller was shown situated above the word TERRORISM in capitalized block letters, lest anyone miss the point.

Maddow proceeded to describe a chronology of violence in the last two decades by the "modern anti-abortion terrorist movement in America." For good measure, she mentioned the bombing at the 1996 Atlanta Olympics, which Maddow said was "a terrorist act committed by an anti-abortion extremist."

Here's what Maddow also said on June 1 to bolster her contention that Scott Roeder, Tiller's accused killer, had engaged in an act of terrorism (the embedded video starts with Maddow's remarks on Nov. 12, then shows a portion from her show on June 1, and finishes with another segment from Nov. 12. The YouTube clip linked above shows the June 1 segment in its entirety) --

MADDOW (initially referring to Roeder): He's known in extremist, anti-abortion circles. He has had writings published in a newsletter called Prayer & Action News which promotes the idea of killing people who provide abortion services as justifiable homicide. Someone calling himself Scott Roeder had participated in anti-abortion discussions at a website of the group called Operation Rescue.

Much as Hasan's name appears on "radical Internet postings," the Associated Press reported Nov. 5. "At least six months ago, Hasan came to the attention of the law enforcement officials because of Internet postings about suicide bombings and other threats, including posts that equated suicide bombers to soldiers who throw themselves on a grenade to save the lives of their comrades," the AP story reads.

More from Maddow on June 1 -- 

MADDOW: The group's founder, Randall Terry (of Operation Rescue), spoke at the National Press Club today and celebrated Dr. George Tiller's death.

A response foreshadowing that of radical imam Anwar al Awlaki (whom Maddow keeps referring to as a "cleric," as if he's no different than those fiery Christians), who praised Hasan as a "hero" and "a man of conscience."

To bolster her case, Maddow invited frequent guest Jonathan Turley, a George Washington University law professor, on her show Nov. 12. Turley, who as a guest on June 1 was more circumspect than Maddow in describing Tiller's murder as terrorism, was more receptive to her point of view this time around --

TURLEY: Criminal investigators and lawyers and judges don't have the luxury that some people have on television to just simply say this must be terrorism, why?, because we want it to be terrorism. Words have meaning in the criminal code and that's what brings the integrity to the code, it brings its legitimacy. And you can't just simply say that because somebody kills a large number of people that it's terrorism. There are plenty of people that act out of rage. If you take away a few of the aspects of this case, you would have a typical disgruntled worker shooting.

Just as if you ignored a "few of the aspects" of the Manson murders -- the victims, for example -- the man who set their deaths in motion might now be just another graying, pony-tailed hippie. 

I'm not a legal scholar, as the saying goes, but it's my understanding that guilt is determined on the basis of evidence against the accused, by jurors asked to refrain from overlooking problematic "aspects" of a case.

The willful ignorance of Maddow and like-minded leftists in response to the Fort Hood terrorist attack reminds me of a scene in the Steve Martin movie "The Jerk" and the title character's response to a sniper trying to kill him (1:15 into YouTube clip linked here) -- "He hates these cans! Stay away from the cans!"

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"Logic"

This is an impossible task.

Trying to apply a consistency of thought, logic, supportive facts or anything else resembling a cogent arguement is wasteful.

 Maddow's school yard logic is simple "It is, because I say it is".

My Dad would tell me this: "Son, sometimes you will shake your head and just have to walk away. 

 

Their only logic, if you

Their only logic, if you could call it that, is their template, or liberal playbook. Throw away facts; discard evidence; don't even consider common sense. Instead, focus-focus-focus on the agenda. And the agenda is what remains constant. Destruction of American values to support the socialist/communist takeover of America so that they can give it away to the common world government. This is infuriating.

__________
"mmm, mmm, mm. Barrack-Hussain-Øbama↓." - The liberals coolaid drinking song

Liberals are born

Without brains ... reasoning is something they can't do.

Die Hard

Reminds me of the first Die Hard flick when they brought in a guy to discuss his book Hostage-Terrorist/Terrorist Hostage as people were being killed. "Liberal" fools like Maddow will defend the devil if it suits their agenda. I wonder if she would do it face- to - face with the families of the American soldiers she is disrespecting. PUKE!

BTW, I see that the Obama administration is taking over the "investigation" of this case. They won't even give information to Senator Liberman for his committee. Hmmm... 

NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"

abject wretchedness

There aren't a lot of people I despise enough to wish they were never born... how come MSNBC has three of them as headliners, all by itself?  If Chris, Keith, and Rachel aren't the embodiment of evil, they're certainly its adoring servants.

If Tiller were still alive, I'd be tempted to mail him a pic of Rachel with the caption, "Looks like you missed one, Doc."

Don't call hasan a terrorist?

Just what in hell else would this completely ignorant  wart on the butt of humanity  call the A$$whole!

Rachel Madcow!

Hey Rachel, Hasan is a TERRORIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm starting to view the

I'm starting to view the MSM as terrorists, themselves. They are trying to terrorize people into accepting everything "Da Wan" wants.


"You know, when I was asked earlier about the issue of coal, uh, you
know — Under my plan of a cap and trade system, electricity rates would
necessarily skyrocket" - Barack Hussain Obama

Such logic....

"If you take away a few aspects of this case, you would have a typical disgruntled worker shooting"  Yeah Rachel, aspects like he was a radical Muslim extremist which in my book equals terrorist.  Typical liberal bull, "We don't know what a terrorist is....but it's not what you say it is"  Great argument. 

 

Stay Free!!!

Great point, Patrick

Take away a few aspects of the 9-11 case and you would have a typical mutual suicide pact.

Poetic justice would be if

Poetic justice would be if Hasan had targeted MSNBC. What would they call it then???

→ I dunno

Terror in Tingletown?

The Bathtub Bustup?

The Saint Obama's Day Massacre?

LYDSEXICS UNTIE!

ROFLMAO! RO...now that

ROFLMAO!

RO...now that needed a real Spew Alert!

'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart

LOL!

 
How about the GE Jihad! : )

Gary

 

Old media species: Moonbat-a-saurus-rex. Getting more endangered by the day.

ROTFLMFAO!!! I don't know

ROTFLMFAO!!! I don't know which one I like best, they're all tops.

Facts are like kryptonite to the liberal.

A devastating loss ...

... of al Qaeda's most useful useful-idiot propaganda wing

ms madcow is seen

ms madcow is seen worldwide, and in markets where "Moral Values" still have some meaning, she is looked upon as a pariah and as an example of American immorality.

Other countries NEVER are allowed a glimpse of the real Americans going about their lives.  That part of America is hidden behind whatever the slime on broadcast TV puts out, and the garbage the 'entertainment' industry tries to portray as "americana".

Third world countries belive that the movies and TV sitcoms are reflective of America.

Now, if the real terrorists that are intent on cleaning out the vermin, they can take oout a few motion picture studios, nbc, cbs, abc, msnbc and cnn.

Getting those entities out of America would do a world of good for all nations of the world.

But, alas, it's probably not politically correct to recommend targets to terrorists is it?

 

"no matter how low you set the bar, liberals can never quite measure up." -Me

http://gjresult.com

 

Maddow is ridiculous . . . as usual

Since terrorist is a demonizing label, Leftists love to apply it to anyone they oppose.  Though the killer murdered only Dr. Tiller -- his intended target -- Maddow rushed to label him a terrorist vice a murderer.

But when an obviously religiously-driven, American-hating terrorist sympathizer goes on a rampage at Ft. Hood -- clearly an act of terrorism by every common understanding of the word -- Maddow goes in denial and broadcasts her tutorial to an audience yearning for any other answer.

Is it any wonder her ratings tank?

This is Unbelievable!

I think my goldfish has more brains than Rachel Maddow.  My God, how can anyone with common sense and a brain make those kind of distinctions?  It boggles the mind that any network would keep this kind of blather on the air.

To say that Tiller's murder was terrorism and Hasan's killing of 13 people is not is absolultely assinine!

Note to MSNBC - why do you have such dunderheads on the air?  Don't you realize why your ratings are tanking by having such uninformed, unintelligent and embarrassingly stupid people on your network? 

oops

Rachel works for MSNBC.Had she used facts or even common sense, she would be like Lou Dobbs. But, she always goes along with the lib lies no matter how absurd. It is expected. She is #2 on my T_SOU-I list with a lifetime membership.

Liberals Have a Shared Psychotic Disorder

Liberals are 'Certain' that a Muslim shouting 'Allahu Akbar' in a maniacal voice while he shot killed and wounded American Soldiers, had nothing to do with Islam.

Liberals claim that thousands of Muslims strapping bombs on their own children, themselves or in some manner killing innocent civilians or Military in the name of Islam, all over the World have NOTHING to do with the peaceful religion of Islam.

It is difficult, if NOT impossible to debate a Liberal because one must first educate the Liberal before any debate can begin.

The Liberal will normally begin the debate with - 'show me where, show me when, show me why, show me how this could be true, tell me where, tell me when, tell me why, tell me how this could be true' (this is the education part).

Liberals will often use their imagination instead of facts, what if?, suppose this?, imagine that?, it might be?, it could be?, it should be? it could have, should have, would have - ad infinitum.

Then the 'Shared Psychotic Disorder' begins to take effect.

The Liberal will begin to think e.g., 'Other Liberals believe' that the Barack Obama 'Economic Doctrine' of borrowing and spending will reduce debt, so it must be true because there is consensus.

Liberals then will either change the subject, attack the one they are "debating" with or ask a ludicrous question like "Prove that borrowing and spending will not reduce debt?"

Debating with a Liberal is akin too having a meaningful discussion with the 'Town Drunk' in a bar room.

You must repeat the same information over and over and the 'Drunk' (same as a Liberal) cannot comprehend what is being said or understand reality.

The 'Drunk' (same as a Liberal) keeps repeating 'Nonsense' that is irrelevant and meaningless to anyone but them and then believe they have won the debate.

Yeah, Geek, except for one

Yeah, Geek, except for one thing -- Drunks are easier to debate than liberals. They are more coherent and remember some of what transpired.

Also, eventually they're not drunk at times during their lives. Unfortunately for liberals, it's a life-long curse.

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"mmm, mmm, mm. Barrack-Hussain-Øbama↓." - The liberals coolaid drinking song

Maddow isn't even smart enough to be a useful idiot

That makes her a useless idiot.

-Dave

Our elected representatives have failed us.  

Lol...right you are, and

Lol...right you are, and that's usually what I call them all.

'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart

militant lesbian

How much longer do we need to put up with this militant lesbian.

Maybe her partners fist is to big.

 NOT that there is anything wrong with that!!!

"MADDOW: Remember this one?

"MADDOW: Remember this one? Yes, it is the old paint-the-Democrats-as-soft-on-terror routine."

Well, you got something wrong again, Maddow. It's not the OLD routine. It's the current one.

Just think: if Obama, the Media for Dolts commentators and others of your ilk spent as much time supporting the war on jihadists as you do trying to destroy Beck and Palin, you might get some respect.

As it is, you are truly a laughing stock. But you're probably used to that, aren't you?

.No citizen's right to life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, or property is safe as long as Obama is President of the United States.

Madcow

Rachel says: munch munch, munch munchmunchmunch, this carpet sure tastes good and not fishy at all. Munch.

Rachel Maddow has

Rachel Maddow has one agenda. To say what she needs to say to keep her little show, to make sure those nice  paychecks keep coming, to pander to her liberal audience, and to get invited to the right cocktail parties and mingle with the right people.

metaphorsbwithu

Sadly, our Whitehouse is

Sadly, our Whitehouse is occupied by people who believe the same insanity that Madcow believes.

I keep saying this about one memeber of the MSM or other

She gives aid and comfort to the enemy.  Guess what I call her.

 

islam is a lie and Truth is killing it.

i would like to fight her

i would like to fight her like a man.

It's scary to think she

It's scary to think she actually believes what she's saying.. she must or she's an incredibly gifted actress.

How can someone this misinformed and full of hatred be on the air every night? I never watch the show; I only read about her on this site and it's enough to make me sick to my stomach.. wow....  our country is falling apart when this type of propaganda is flowly so freely.

I firmly believe in freedom of the press, but I don't think that's what this is about.  This is just plain craziness.

Here is a template that even Maddow should understand...

Loading a gun and going to a place where you know a specific person will be and shooting that person is pre-meditated murder.

Loading two guns and taking spare clips for reloads to a random place and then attempting to shoot as many people as possible whom you do not know is terrorism.

The aspects that Maddow wants to take away are the key facts that distinguish Ft. Hood from any other incident. If you wanted to you could certainly include the VT massacre as a terrorist event too. It has all the hallmarks.

Throw 'da bums out!!!

Before it's too late. 

www.loyaltoliberty.com

"And while it might make for

"And while it might make for exciting politics to argue that murders committed by religious Muslims are presumptively terrorist acts, those exciting political allegations actually say a lot more about the people making them than they do about the real character of the tragedy at Fort Hood and how we as a country should respond to it. "

 It isn't because the murders were committed by a religious Muslim. If a religious Muslim shot his wife in a jealous rage, killed a love rival so he could marry the woman himself, shot a clerk while robbing a 7-11, or snuffed Grandma to inherit her money, that wouldn't be terrorism. 

 But try getting a leftie to listen to logic. 

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