Average American citizen Katy Abram's impassioned plea against socialized health care, at Senator Arlen Specter's town hall meeting on Tuesday, got her noticed by the "Hardball" producers as her clip was featured on Tuesday's show and she even received an invitation to appear tonight -- complete with the requisite scolding from the program's liberal host. Subbing for Chris Matthews, MSNBC's Lawrence O'Donnell incorrectly challenged Abram's fear that Barack Obama wanted to move to a single-payer plan.
After Abram recalled that, "I heard him say on a quote, on television, that...we will move to a single-payer" plan, O'Donnell rebuked "He never said that." When Abram again insisted that she "Heard it on TV," O'Donnell adamantly asserted "The President of the United States has never said that." It turns out Abram knew her facts better than the cable news host, as Obama as recently as last year declared: "If I were designing a system from scratch, I would probably go ahead with a single-payer system," And, as Red State noted, in 2003 Obama told a crowd of AFL-CIO members: "I happen to be a proponent of single-payer, universal health care coverage."
The following exchange was aired on the August 12, edition of "Hardball":
LAWRENCE O'DONNELL: Do you have health, do you and your family have health insurance.
KATY ABRAM: Yeah we do have health insurance. We have a health savings account that we pay for ourselves. We have a $5000 plus deductible that basically, in the course of a normal year we will pay for all our medical, medical needs out of pocket. Doctor's visits. And this year has been a little more difficult because my son's had surgery and it looks like we're looking for, at a second one. We are almost at our deductible so that's a good thing. But that was a choice we made, that's what we wanted to do and I want
to be able to keep that choice. I don't want to be forced or slowly coaxed into a single-payer system. I want to have my choice.
O'DONNELL: Well do you believe the President when he says, if you like the health care plan, as you say you do, you can keep that health care plan? Is that something, when you hear it, you simply don't believe it?
ABRAM: I don't believe it because I heard him say on a quote, on television, that, you know, it may take 5 or 10 years but we will move to a single-payer health, or single-payer-
O'DONNELL: He, Katy, he's never said that. He has never said we will move to a single-payer plan.
ABRAM: I heard, I heard it on TV. I heard it on TV. I heard him saying it.
O'DONNELL: The President of the United States. Katy, the President of the United States has never said it.
ABRAM: This was a couple years-
O'DONNELL: Oh it was a few years ago?
ABRAM: It was like in 2002 or 2000-
O'DONNELL: Okay.
ABRAM: It was a couple of years ago. This wasn't, it's not since he was in office.
—Geoffrey Dickens is the senior news analyst at the Media Research Center.
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From the William J. Clinton school of parsing
Wed, 08/12/2009 - 18:14 ET by mom_roxTechnically, O'Donnell is right. (Is he a lawyer?) Abram quoted Obama as saying "we will" instead of "I would probably". Though Obama's preference is clear with both sentiments.
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Obama's Single payer comment
Thu, 08/13/2009 - 00:27 ET by ReaganJrActually Abram's comment is a little closer to the truth. I depends on what video you are refering to. In this video he clearly states that he "...happen[s] to be a proponant of single payer universal health care..."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpAyan1fXCE
The nuance
Wed, 08/12/2009 - 18:14 ET by SouthernRootsThis is now like the fifth time I have heard this spin - basically, "President Obama has never said that..."
Barack Obama has said it, but President Obama hasn't.
Could I have three coats of varnish on that horsie statue, please?
I won't be wronged. I won't be insulted. I won't be laid a-hand on. I don't do these things to other people, and I require the same from them. - J.B. Books (John Wayne)
SouthernRoots
Thu, 08/13/2009 - 01:44 ET by BondPlainBondYes, SouthernRoots, that's precisely the point Lawrence "I'm as Smarmy as They Come" O'Donnell was making. Bringing to light something Obama said two years ago, or even yesterday, is unfair. It's only what Obama says today which matters or has weight.
Lawrence "I'm as Smarmy as They Come" O'Donnell attempted this same third grade maneuver when Ms Abram made mention the fact that introducing millions into the healthcare system without an increase in the number of medical professionals will be detrimental to the health of everyone.
O'Donnell about had an aneurysm repeating over and over and over again that nowhere in this bill is there anything that will cut the number of healthcare professionals.
Dumb-As-Rocks O'Donnell just doesn't get it, or he is playing to the MSNBC crowd which is unable to do the math, but he sure as hell attempted to belittle Ms Abram's very cogent point with his elementary school tactics.
Youtube video...
Thu, 08/13/2009 - 08:19 ET by adamsmithJust like on the youtube video where Obama slips with "my muslim faith".....I feel like I'm living in Orwell land, where truth is a lie, where lies are truth, you get the picture....Usually truth slides down Keith Olbergoebbels' memory hole. His arm is probably tired as he's overworked at the memory hole as of late.......
Rush said it best: "All
Thu, 08/13/2009 - 12:37 ET by HockeyKidRush said it best: "All Obama statements come with an expiration date."
"Beauty is only skin deep, but liberal's to the bone." - me
Good for her.
Wed, 08/12/2009 - 18:34 ET by TexndocWell, good for her and loved her original confrontation with Arlen Spector, but the woman burst into tears last night with Sean Hannity and to me looks like she should be relaxing at home. Who the heck thought it would be a good idea to put her through the MSNBC slime machine ringer?
Texndoc: you nailed it...
Wed, 08/12/2009 - 19:57 ET by SickofLibs...what moron advised her to go on MSNBC???
This was like taking a non-swimmer who has never seen an ocean, putting them into scuba gear, throwing them out of a boat 50 miles offshore, and then telling them "Now we're going down 50 feet to get up close and personal with a hunting pack of the elusive mankilling Humboldt squid."
The lipless cretinous O'Donnell is the most vicious, hate-filled bastard out there, short of Olbermann. (Except Olbermann is too much of a wuss to ever personally debate anyone on anything, so I discount him.)
Reminded me of Palin/ Biden Debate
Thu, 08/13/2009 - 08:32 ET by BluegillTelling the feeble woman you have your facts all wrong, go back to the kitchen where you belong and don't forget your bible.
How rude and unbecoming
This woman has guts
Wed, 08/12/2009 - 18:34 ET by lsudolemiteIf I got a call from Hardball producers asking for an appearance I would've told them where they could shove their invitation. I feel for this woman and her husband. I saw them on Hannity last night and she was clearly overwhelmed by all the media attention. The MSM will have no qualms about giving her the Joe the Plumber treatment.
Oh isn't O'Donnell cute by
Wed, 08/12/2009 - 18:38 ET by bigtimerOh isn't O'Donnell cute by half.
Just slicker than hell.
I just wished this gal wouldn't have gone on msnbc, I can't help it, I wished people, especially repubs congress-critters or candidates would not go on that network...but they always will I suppose.
The only two people I can think off on the top of my head that has always been able to handle anybody in the msm are Zell Miller and Liz Cheney, (along with her mom and dad.)
Obama's a Community Agitator, a walking, talking destroyer. ~ Rush Limbaugh
She came on Hannity's show and was treated...
Wed, 08/12/2009 - 19:08 ET by jawebster1quite a bit better than she was here. Hannity may be many things (most of which are great) but one thing he isn't and that is, he isn't a bully. In O'Donnell's case, he isn't a "cowardly bully". Jim Webster
jaw1... Right you
Wed, 08/12/2009 - 19:17 ET by bigtimerjaw1...
Right you are.
btw...here is the whole interview with O'Donnell.
I must say, he did his best to spin things his way, but he wasn't a rabid and rude as he usually can be and usually always is.
Obama's a Community Agitator, a walking, talking destroyer. ~ Rush Limbaugh
For the Poor Leftist
Wed, 08/12/2009 - 18:47 ET by JustAlthe truth can be so. . .inconveniet. I mean, doesn't it all depend on what your definition of "is" is?????
Mark Levin just called this guy O'Donnell out on his...
Wed, 08/12/2009 - 19:02 ET by jawebster1radio program. He challenged O'Donnell to debate him rather than a citizen on his popular radio show. Since Levin has over 7 million listeners, O'Donnell will be appearing before an audience larger than his friends and relatives for the first time. Levin called O'Donnell a coward so, of course, I don't expect the coward to take up the challenge. Jim Webster
jaw1... I just heard it
Wed, 08/12/2009 - 19:19 ET by bigtimerjaw1...
I just heard it too on Levin, that's why I put the whole link of the interview above in a response to you also. ;-)
Obama's a Community Agitator, a walking, talking destroyer. ~ Rush Limbaugh
Ignorant or dishonest....
Wed, 08/12/2009 - 19:17 ET by superconIt's one or the other. How can he claim the President "never said that " when I have seen the two clips myself a dozen times? The President most definitely DID say that.
" if Republicans are able to stop Barack Obama on health care, 'it will be his Waterloo, it will break him...." -Sen. Jim DeMint
sc.... Don't you just
Wed, 08/12/2009 - 19:26 ET by bigtimersc....
Don't you just love how he parsed words here, O didn't say it when he was President, it was before, that's what I meant by cute by half.
Real tricky eh?
Obama's a Community Agitator, a walking, talking destroyer. ~ Rush Limbaugh
Slimy.
Wed, 08/12/2009 - 20:34 ET by superconHe knows he's lying and doesn't care.
" if Republicans are able to stop Barack Obama on health care, 'it will be his Waterloo, it will break him...." -Sen. Jim DeMint
I don't know whitch one is worse
Wed, 08/12/2009 - 19:31 ET by obageegeeWatching O'Donnell or my latest colonoscopy video.This guy has all the wit and personality of a short order cook. Oh wait I apologize to all short order cooks out there.
Dear
Wed, 08/12/2009 - 19:26 ET by GregEDear Flag@whitehouse.gov,
Lawrence O'Donnell is spreading lies. Please fix Mr. O'Donnell, and send me the pictures.
Thank you.
Interesting difference between Obama and Clinton
Wed, 08/12/2009 - 19:38 ET by Prester JohnWhen confronted with an inconvenient truth Clinton would say, "I never said that" and the MSM would just say, "OK" even though they knew he said it.
With Obama the MSM is saying "He never said that" and is actively defending him.
Meanwhile Obama's Secretary of State is traveling to a bunch of Third World hell holes and getting p**ed off about being in her erstwhile husband's shadow.
→ No kidding Prester
Wed, 08/12/2009 - 19:41 ET by Cool ArrowShe'll never get shed of the fact that she rode her husbands coattails (unlike a certain Conservative candidate).
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Libtards
Wed, 08/12/2009 - 19:38 ET by maxvoltLibtards are sooooooooo stupid
I wonder if O'Donnell is one of THEM or one of THOSE
Wed, 08/12/2009 - 19:40 ET by delmarOver the years I've seen a few stories with journalists criticizing bloggers as being unfit to do journalism. This ill informed buffoon doesn't have any business looking down his nose at anybody. How could O'Donnell have missed the videos with Obama saying he's for the socialized--although that's not what he called it--medicine?
Another thing that this reminds me of is the time Charlie Gibson tried to attribute some quote to Sarah Palin, Palin said she didn't think the quote was accurate and Charlie came back at her with--EXACT WORDS!
Another Obama transcript from a few years ago...
Wed, 08/12/2009 - 19:56 ET by DJEddleObama: Hey, Axel...You think we can convince the fat, ignorant public that I'm a natural-born citizen?
Axelrod: I don't see why not. They've been publicly educated for a few generations - they'll believe anything the government tells them.
Obama: Really? You don't think it will matter that my dad was a British citizen? Or that this fact will surely be noticed by anyone who actually studied constitutional law, like I did? (wink, wink) You don't think they'll notice that they have irrefutable proof that I'm not a natural-born citizen according to constitutional law?
Axelrod: Nope. All we need to do is show a friendly website or two a certified copy of an official-looking document and they'll eat it up. You're golden, buddy!
Obama: Sure, but do you think the media will buy it?
Axelrod: When was the last time the media did their homework on a fellow leftist?
Obama: Good point.
Lawrence O'Donnell: What was that, guys?
Axelrod: What was what?
O'Donnell: Did you mention the media?
Axelrod: Who?
O'Donnell: What?
Axelrod: Keep typing, you schmuck! These puff pieces don't write themselves!
Obama: Who's puffing what? Let me get a hit...
(Allegedly recorded December 10, 2006)
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OK, I'll say it: There's a
Wed, 08/12/2009 - 20:15 ET by balboaOK, I'll say it: There's a difference between saying we're going to move to a 1-payer system and saying you're a proponent of the 1-payer system or saying he'd use it if we were starting from scratch.
bal
Wed, 08/12/2009 - 20:23 ET by BKeyservery true. Obama is a progressive who believes the single-payer system is the best for American Progressives as it would create further dependence on government handouts. He also realizes that it would be impossible to just pass a law that would dump private insurance and everyone's current health care and start a new single-payer system on some particular date. It would never stand constitutional scrutiny, and the chaos during the transition would cost untold lives.
But what he does favor is a strong government option, subsidized with the unlimited sources of taxpayer and printing press money. He knows that this would drive private insurance out of business and make that transition less painful and over a lenghtier period of time. All the while the service unions grown stronger, and dependence becomes greater, all but guaranteeing democratic rule for the forseeable future.
You're right! We've all
Wed, 08/12/2009 - 20:24 ET by Free StinkerYou're right!
We've all been wrong about the healthcare bill. Ba-a-a-ah.
I'm going to ba-a-a-ah call my Congressman ba-a-a-ah and two Senators and ba-a-a-ah tell them I support Healtcare Reform.
I'm sure ba-a-a-ah they wouldn't deny *me* medicine or ba-a-a-ah needed care when I'm old.
/Sarcasm and Sheep Noises off
"I heard him say on a quote,
Wed, 08/12/2009 - 20:31 ET by balboa"I heard him say on a quote, on television, that...we will move to a single-payer"
Well, according to the two examples given by Geoffrey, he hasn't said that.
→ Yeah
Wed, 08/12/2009 - 20:36 ET by Cool ArrowAnd if you'll pay close attention, Bogart never says "Play it again, Sam" in Casa Blanca.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Uh...right...
Wed, 08/12/2009 - 20:43 ET by balboaUh...right...
→ Point being
Wed, 08/12/2009 - 20:47 ET by Cool ArrowYou're basing your contention on whether those exact words were spoken.
All I did was illustrate from a familiar movie, that something may not have been said, but the intent was the same.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Based on what the woman said
Wed, 08/12/2009 - 20:52 ET by balboaBased on what the woman said to O'Donnell, O'Donnell was right.
Not so sure
Wed, 08/12/2009 - 20:54 ET by BKeyserthe idiot cut her off before she could finish her thought.
;
Wed, 08/12/2009 - 21:08 ET by SickofLibsYou could parse a semicolon.
Nothing wrong with accuracy,
Wed, 08/12/2009 - 21:20 ET by balboaNothing wrong with accuracy, especially if you're going to claim that someone got "schooled."
But it's like me correcting
Thu, 08/13/2009 - 06:35 ET by bretzysdudeBut it's like me correcting your spelling and grammar... WHO CARES? The issue is about whether he's for or against it.
But it's like me correcting
Thu, 08/13/2009 - 06:35 ET by bretzysdudeBut it's like me correcting your spelling and grammar... WHO CARES? The issue is about whether he's for or against it.
Casa Blanca?
Wed, 08/12/2009 - 21:04 ET by MrShyI did a movie database search, and only found "Casa de Blanca"..... Oh, "Casablanca" ?
:)
Yes, I'm busting Cool Arrow's chops. He's not a troll, and not even left-leaning in any way. I'm a bad boy. :) Now back to reading more of this thread....
→ Sorry Shy
Wed, 08/12/2009 - 21:08 ET by Cool ArrowEven in my native language I get mixed up between White House and Whitehouse.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
--> CA
Wed, 08/12/2009 - 21:15 ET by MrShyHey, this ribbing coming from someone who named his CD (and song) Super Star, not the more commonly used "Superstar".
:p
"Thread" is an apt description.
Wed, 08/12/2009 - 21:12 ET by SickofLibs"Thread" is an apt description.
threads
Wed, 08/12/2009 - 21:26 ET by MrShyPeople always come away from Newsbusters saying, "Dude, nice threads."
→ Balboa, except for. . .
Wed, 08/12/2009 - 20:29 ET by Cool ArrowHe also said:
I think we can put any question about his true intention to bed on this issue.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
"I think we can put any
Wed, 08/12/2009 - 21:07 ET by ckc1227"I think we can put any question about his true intention to bed on this issue."
There never was any question except to those being intellectually dishonest on the issue. It's like those who believe Cheney should be hanged arguing they weren't talking about killing him.
On the campaign trail, March 2007:
The man believes in univeral health care, he has always been for
universal health care, believes America should have universal health
care, and has made no secret of it....yet now that he's in a position
to make it happen, we're supposed to believe that's no longer a goal of
his?
Sure, lol, I'm buying that.
Yes
Wed, 08/12/2009 - 20:35 ET by JustAl1. "We're going to move to a 1-year system." Would be right in line on the arrogance front but way too honest for the person we are discussing.
2. "Proponent" Would also be too honest but not arrogant enough for His "O"lliness.
3. "If we were starting from scratch" Aw yes, a weasel word prefacing the destruction of our present system. That's more like it.
Of course, taken as a whole, and considering the attributes and history of the person we are dealing with, it is safe to say that he is arrogant enough to believe he can impose what he proposes by making sure we are starting from scratch. And he can do so with the assurance that enough of the people will either believe his lies, or believe his denials of his lies, or use semantics to defend his lies.
Just my opinion, of course.
Herr Hitler was a long time
Thu, 08/13/2009 - 01:01 ET by Jack BauerHerr Hitler was a long time proponent of the single race theory in Germany. Then when he had the power he implemented his proposal.
See how that works. Propose something. Implement something. Propose something. Implement something.
Words still mean things. Don't they?
If I was invited to go on Hardball...
Wed, 08/12/2009 - 20:36 ET by LegionOfDorknessI would say yes on the condition that they have me live in studio with Larry or Chrissy. We would see how rude they would be to me then.
makin' it all up
Wed, 08/12/2009 - 21:19 ET by konoO'Donnell is just being a good Liberal here, taking care not to let facts get in the way of his argument.
This is, though, a tacit nod to Democrat duplicity. If what they tell the people is never meant to be true, then how can we ever hold them to words they spoke two or three years ago?
It Took 75 Years For the USSR's Words To Fail Them.
Wed, 08/12/2009 - 21:39 ET by rammingspeedkono - It takes a watershed event to bind together those who would fight liberal lies. I believe Obama care is a fiasco for the Democrats, and that people will stick by their guns. Their lives literally depend on it.
I agree that the healthcare
Wed, 08/12/2009 - 21:43 ET by balboaI agree that the healthcare issue is quickly becoming a disaster for Obama that he didn't want. He wanted to whoosh! Pass the healthcare bill and move on. Ain't gonna happen without a LOT of controversy and emotion.
Question is, would healthcare bill failing ruin the rest of his time in office?
He's already ruined the
Wed, 08/12/2009 - 21:47 ET by NL207He's already ruined the remainder of his term. The real deficit this year will be around 2.4 or 2.5 Trillion. Tax receipts are collapsing faster than the Democrats can raise the taxes. When the spending binge hits home, Obama and his friends in the Congress will be lucky to simply be voted out rather than tarred and feathered and ridden out of town on a rail.
No bal
Wed, 08/12/2009 - 21:48 ET by BKeyserbut the collapse of cap-n-tax, and the real possibility that the recent economic gains could just be a brief upward tick before another collapse and we've got ourselves another Jimmah Cahtah.
bal
Wed, 08/12/2009 - 21:51 ET by MrShyQuestion is, would healthcare bill failing ruin the rest of his time in office?
Answer is, yes.
And yes, I want to see him completely fail just for the sake of completely failing. Make it a bitter pill for all of us to swallow and learn from -- myself included, who probably didn't do enough to talk one or two friends out of pulling the lever for him.
He has no business being President of the United States. Zero. (Zero has zero :p)
"Question is, would
Thu, 08/13/2009 - 00:01 ET by ckc1227"Question is, would healthcare bill failing ruin the rest of his time in office? "
I hope so. Assuming it fails, of course. I'm still not confident it will. There's no way to stop it if he convinces the Dems to vote for it.
He says immigration is up next. If he thinks the crowds
will quiet down for amnesty, he's in for a shock. Just ask Bush.
Hopefully, Ms. Abram's Exposition Will Hold Sway
Wed, 08/12/2009 - 21:35 ET by rammingspeedRush Limbaugh cited a (horrible) truth today: Facts don't matter to the left. Words do. Rhetoric does. And they're masters and mistresses at using and twisting it all to a mind blowing degree. Obama and the gang are working feverishly on wording and rhetoric-ing their way out of the statements Obama made on health care before he was president. I'm betting on Americans to stand fast.
I think that it much more
Wed, 08/12/2009 - 21:58 ET by d1carterI think that it much more important for the POTUS to be accurate when he speaks than when a 35 year old mother. Should he have answered the question about single payer system the way he did in Portsmouth? Should he have said that the AARP endorsed this plan? When someone in his position parses words to deceive in a public forum, he loses the trust of the American people. I think we have seen that in just the last two weeks. When the POTUS "mispeaks" in order to sell this plan, when we all know the AARP statement was a lie, he loses the trust of the American people. That is why what this lady said on MSNBC is immaterial.
Math major needed
Wed, 08/12/2009 - 23:46 ET by well99http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-L3FnWNkIzU
I see 1085 rating but only 306 views.My math must be bad.
YT does that...
Thu, 08/13/2009 - 01:47 ET by katainkentthey throttle the views on the least favorable vids all the time. Its rediculous. A vid could have the glaring red headline on drudge for hrs and still only have 10K views.
___________________________________________
"The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax" - HR 3200 (Health Care Bill) Pg. 203. Ln 14 & 15
katain
Thu, 08/13/2009 - 02:05 ET by well99It finally changed to 1150 ratings and 75850 views.I notice youtube has been real bad with vids against Heath Care.Shoot saw one where there was over twice the amount of comments to views.
Barack Obama Proponent of "Single Payer"
Thu, 08/13/2009 - 05:15 ET by Retired Geek“I happen to be a proponent of a single payer universal health care program.
I see no reason why the United States of America, the wealthiest country in the history of the world, spending 14 percent of its Gross National Product on health care cannot provide basic health insurance to everybody.
And that’s what Jim is talking about when he says everybody in, nobody out.
A single payer health care plan, a universal health care plan.
And that’s what I’d like to see. But as all of you know, we may not get there immediately.
Because first we have to take back the White House, we have to take back the Senate, and we have to take back the House.”
Barack Obama
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpAyan1fXCE&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.breitba...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDAPLb-HVcM&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnLFdVt9egA&feature=related
Obama remark was ill-informed and dangerous
Thu, 08/13/2009 - 05:24 ET by Retired GeekThe American College of Surgeons are just now finding out that Barack Obama's remarks are ill-informed and dangerous?
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"The American College of Surgeons is deeply disturbed over the uninformed public comments President Obama continues to make about the high-quality care provided by surgeons in the United States.
When the President makes statements that are incorrect or not based in fact, we think he does a disservice to the American people at a time when they want clear, understandable facts about health care reform. We want to set the record straight.
Yesterday during a town hall meeting, President Obama got his facts completely wrong.
He stated that a surgeon gets paid $50,000 for a legamputation when, in fact, Medicare pays a surgeon between $740 and$1,140 for a leg amputation.
This payment also includes the evaluation of the patient on the day of the operation plus patient follow-up care that is provided for 90 days after the operation.
Private insurers pay some variation of the Medicare reimbursement for this service.
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Three weeks ago, the President suggested that a surgeon's decision to remove a child's tonsils is based on the desire to make a lot of money.
That remark was ill-informed and dangerous, and we were dismayed by this characterization of the work surgeons do.
Surgeons make decisions about recommending operations based on what's right for the patient."
http://politics.theatlantic.com/2009/08/at_what_cost_cutting_off_a_leg_1...
Like has been said before,
Thu, 08/13/2009 - 07:59 ET by black47211Like has been said before, I too fear that the MSM will invade this woman's life and make her out to be another "Joe the Plumber", simply because she is exercising her Free Speech rights.
Amazing.
www.pelicanmarsh68.blogspot.com
Let 'em do it. By this
Thu, 08/13/2009 - 08:35 ET by mattmLet 'em do it. By this time next year there will be about 80 million Joe The Plumbers getting ready to head to the polls to bounce these socialist bastards out of office.
mattm-
Thu, 08/13/2009 - 09:38 ET by black47211I wonder if ACORN or The New Black Panther Party will let them vote?
www.pelicanmarsh68.blogspot.com
Thu, 08/13/2009 - 09:06 ET by jessieHEveryone has heard mr. obama say it, thanks, in part, to U-TUBE. See, this is how stupid the MSM thinks we are. They don't realize, aparently, that the internet is destroying their jobs. If they would tell both sides of a story, any news story, they could have saved their MSM. Unfortunately, they would rather kiss ass than report the news. I get my news from Fox, the internet and the radio. I don't have to listen to their B.S. any more........
Sir Francis Bacon said,
Thu, 08/13/2009 - 09:45 ET by black47211Sir Francis Bacon said, "Knowledge is power", and thanks to today's technology, you and I can literally go back in time and find videos and/or articles where politicians harangue themselves with ignorant comments. Gone are the days when people rely on newspapers for the actual news.
The MOSSAD, Israel's awesome intel agency, has made it a point to gather all info possible to use and strengthen their country. The CIA has tried to model itself after MOSSAD because of their dedication to this.
Reading what you said, I believe that Americans are now adopting MOSSAD-like qualities and are becoming more and more attentive to intel gathering. This is a great, great thing.
I can look at any time on the Internet for any number of articles related to any specific topic and then glean through what I need. I love it. The MSM is dying and losing its stranglehold on the American populace. We are becoming more independent.
www.pelicanmarsh68.blogspot.com
~Oooh
Thu, 08/13/2009 - 09:51 ET by choselife3xTell us more, Oh HuffPo member. We are gathering intel, like the MOSSAD...next we will all learn to build bombs? In our camps? We will rise up against Obama like you suggested in your letter to rexdraconim? Where do we sign?
Dissent: It's not just for liberals anymore.-kudzupolitics, USA Today
When are you going to give
Thu, 08/13/2009 - 11:57 ET by QueenMumWhen are you going to give up on your vendetta Debra, and get on with your life?
"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out
of other people's money."
—Margaret Thatcher
~That is absolutely hilarious coming from you
Thu, 08/13/2009 - 16:59 ET by choselife3x“I'm violating my own personal standards“-QM
Added: Do you think my name is Debra?
Dissent: It's not just for liberals anymore.-kudzupolitics, USA Today
Guess you won't see the video on MessNBC anytime soon.
Thu, 08/13/2009 - 12:06 ET by QueenMumO'Donnell's attitude here is that if it was a couple of years ago, it doesn't count. Hellooo! We're talking about what Obama said while he was campaigning for the presidency. Shall those who elected him to office now consider that anything he may have said while campaigning was actually the opposite of what he meant? Did a large number of Americans knowingly vote for a liar?
Edited to correct: I guess he wasn't campaigning at the time. But considering the audience which he was addressing, may we still consider that there were those who supported him while he was campaigning who remembered his words? BTW, is "liar" on the list of code words which we right wing extremists use in place of the "n" word? Not that it matters. :)
"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out
of other people's money."
—Margaret Thatcher
O'Donnell is obviously
Thu, 08/13/2009 - 12:42 ET by mhinnovaO'Donnell is obviously trying to use some sort of Jedi mind trick.
O'DONNELL
Thu, 08/13/2009 - 13:22 ET by east tennessee johnWell Larry, atleast you showed enough respect and didn't start yelling uncontrollably, LIAR! LIAR! LIAR!. I guess ththat's animprovement" or shows the effectiveness of the proper medication.