Let me get this straight: On September 11, 2001, terrorists brutally exterminated nearly 3,000 Americans, obliterated the landscape of lower Manhattan, and pummeled the headquarters of the United States's national defense. And since that same date nearly six-and-a-half years ago, pro-lifers have committed a grand total of zero murders, attempted murders, and bombings directed at abortion workers and clinics across the United States and Canada.
So the Associated Press implies that the bigger threat of terrorism to this country comes from ... pro-lifers? Here's how the AP tells it:
When it comes to fears about a terrorist attack, people in the U.S. usually focus on Osama bin Laden and foreign-based radical groups. Yet researchers say domestic extremists who commit violence in the name of their cause — abortion or the environment, for example — account for most of the damage from such incidents in this country.
The AP's reporting is simply a smear. Violent episodes against abortion clinics have been quite rare, especially in the last decade. Even the stats from National Abortion Federation (pdf) reveal this.
In his book On Message, Life Dynamics' Mark Crutcher sums it up best: "The image of abortion workers having to dodge a hail of automatic weapon fire just to get from their car to the clinic door is utter nonsense." Crutcher notes that in the years 1993 and 1994, the worst period of violence in pro-life history in which five abortionists and clinic workers were killed, more farmers and twice as many hairdressers were murdered on the job. (The total number of murders that have occurred since Roe v. Wade passed in 1973 is seven.)
We've addressed this kind of attack against the pro-life movement before: here.
The AP owes its readers an explanation, but we won't hold our breath. As NB's Warner Todd Houston reported a while back, the MSM has ignored physical violence against pro-lifers by abortion supporters. See also this article from WORLD magazine.
HT: LifeNews.com, reporting the excellent Raw Story piece by John Byrne.
—Dave Pierre is the creator of TheMediaReport.com and a contributor to NewsBusters.
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Numbers, AP. Gimme
February 20, 2008 - 01:26 ET by Scout FinchNumbers, AP. Gimme numbers. You don't have them? What?
Retract
February 20, 2008 - 09:53 ET by allanfNews standards have changed over the years. At one time journalists needed to independently confirm the truth of statements before printing them. Now they just report a quote from a chosen source and let it stand as truth.
This story should be retracted. By almost
the attacks of 911 far exceeded any damage caused by "right ring" extremists.
I will also venture a guess that left-wing protestors cause far more damage and harm than right wing protestors. We need only look at the anti-globilization cadre.
Just yesterday, people in Palm Beach Florida lost business because some left wing protestors decided to block traffic for five hours in protest over plans to build a natural gas fueld power plant.
AP should retract these claims.
Allan, Nota Bene: The
February 20, 2008 - 09:58 ET by LeonAllan,
Nota Bene: The author in the article was talking about ALL domestic extremists. Right and left wing.
Unless there are a lot of right-wing environmental extremists I don't know about.
Just like David Pierre, you have misread and skewed the intention of the author of the article.
I demand you retract your retraction request! haha.
Bias
February 20, 2008 - 10:46 ET by allanfI posted in more detail below. The following passage indicates the author's bias:
I think it's highly moral
February 20, 2008 - 01:39 ET by robert108I think it's highly moral to protest against a killer who has claimed over 40 million innocent victims in the US alone-abortion on demand.
Talk about the real terrorists...
abortion is indeed terrorism...
February 20, 2008 - 11:49 ET by TruthMongerI wonder who aborts more kids - Islamic nations or Christian nations - hmmm
That settles it for me!
February 20, 2008 - 16:37 ET by dvdaughtryThat settles it for me! Where do I sign? I hear Islam is just blowing up these days!
TM, Islamic nations dont
February 20, 2008 - 16:45 ET by bassndudeTM, Islamic nations dont abort babies. They wait till they are at least a year old then shoot them or blow them up.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
fascinating stuff - so are
February 20, 2008 - 16:52 ET by TruthMongerfascinating stuff - so are kids actually safer with terrorists than abortionists? at 3000 a day it seems the numbers don't lie
I am in favor of neither.
February 20, 2008 - 16:58 ET by bassndudeI am in favor of neither. If your so dead set at comparisons, send your kids to Lebanon or the Palistinian area. Report back to me in 2 years.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
Not kids, babies. Don't
February 20, 2008 - 17:33 ET by dvdaughtryNot kids, babies. Don't twist the facts.
Islamist also execute
February 20, 2008 - 19:23 ET by NL207Islamist also execute Homosexuals, Drug Dealers and Aldulterers. TM, please show me the Christian nation that does this.
Partner with Islam!
February 21, 2008 - 11:22 ET by dvdaughtryDon't forget dog walkers.
God, I hate the AP
February 20, 2008 - 01:41 ET by timotheThe more I see from them, the more insidious I believe them to be.
I actually believe their researchers
February 20, 2008 - 01:53 ET by ZapIt makes sense that domestic terrorism has caused more damage in the United States then foreign terrorism. I do suspect though that this is solely because domestic terrorism is much easier to pull off and much harder to stop. Throwing "abortion" in is absurd though, as the facts prove. I bet most of this damage is from radical environmental organizations like ELF and "peaceful" moonbat protestors.
fits right in
February 20, 2008 - 02:09 ET by candanceAnything to make The Religion of Peace look better.
...if Islam is not a
February 20, 2008 - 11:53 ET by TruthMonger...if Islam is not a religion of peace, does that make it a religion of "non-peace?" Muslim's don't want peace? Is that correct?
That would make them even more Christian than I thought...
Jesus does not come to bring peace either...hmmm...
Most probably APs worst "report"
February 20, 2008 - 02:10 ET by IamTinmanWhenever a news organisation like AP reports "sources say " or "Researchers say" you can be certain that the sources nonexistant and the research was done late at night in the local pub! This was so erroneous on it's face that any self respecting news organisation would never have let it see the light of day. No surprise that the MSM is rated so poorly by the public.
AP needs to check ECO TERRORISTS
February 20, 2008 - 02:18 ET by Lame CherryThe real problem are these eco terrorists burning down things and PETA with their screwy staged videos they release against the livestock industry.
AP needs to check out the real terrorism and scare tactics like Oprah's mad cow..........it was MILK CATTLE FROM CANADA not beef cattle. There is a huge difference in breed and nation.
Since no one at NB has touched the video, I would like to address that for people who do not know what they are watching.
America produces millions of animals a year to feed people so they can eat a product which is clean and wholesome. All animals have accidents or get sick. Those animals have FDA safety inspections so they do not end up in the human food supply.
I will not attest to McDonald's Latin American beef operations, but I will attest to the American produce.
In beef cattle, there are canners, cutters and prime quality. Animals diseased such as cancer eye are placed into tankage and made into not consumptive products.
Others like an animal with a broken leg are butchered for hamburger as there is not a thing wrong with the animal nor quality of beef.
PETA in their staged videos visit these plants which have animals that are sick and dying. It is completely out of context.
It needs to be remembered these animals sometimes have fevers when at tankage plants and can be quite dangerous. They are over 1000 pounds of uncooperative ornery looking for something to vent on or simply lay there and will not move. That is what PETA chooses to record.
Think of PETA going into your Gramma's room when she is sick, in pain and dying and airing it as what she has always been like. That pretty well sums up the propaganda they pull.
PETA is eco terrorism aimed at scaring people from the food supply which is not controlled by the new world order to eat foods like soybeans controlled by the Brazilian NWO.
Amazing thing now is showing that feeding soy milk to boys turns them effeminite or having homosexual leanings.
When is someone going to sue PETA for this little bit of poisoning American children away from goat and cattle milk onto a product that represses the hormonal growth of children.
Parker Dozhier did a Newsbuster story 25 years ago before the kids here ever dreamed of busting stories. It was printed in The Trapper when it was run by Tom Krause. He found in tracking the "protestors" one always saw featured on the MSM that a real pattern showed up.
Guess what it was?
The SAME people who protested with Martin Sheen against nuclear weapons in America...........showed up at DNC marches against Ronald Reagan...........showed up at the same NOW rallies........showed up at the same QUEER NATION MARCHES.........showed up at the same aborticide marches.
Now no one ever bothered to ask who was funding these protestors..........but I know for fact it is all funded by the same George Soros groups. Soros just happens to be the public icon of the Rothschilds out of Europe.
These terrorists have butchered millions of American babies, enslaved millions of Europeans, turned millions of children on soy milk into queerifiles, caused millions of deaths in pets for profit.
Those are the facts in the real communist backed terrorists roaming America and not investigated by the AP>
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If you want to use that definition
February 20, 2008 - 02:32 ET by KC MulvilleAccording to this defintion, any lonely young male can be a terrorist, so long as he wants to make a splash. He doesn't need to actually do anything, just fantasize about it.
One man's "making a splash" is another man's "raising awareness." Why aren't anti-war protest marchers considered terrorists? After all, they try to make a splash (i.e., to get on TV). What about Code Pink? For that matter, what about hip-hop 'musicians' who encourage videos that threaten retaliation for cooperating with the police? What about Berkeley, California? Cindy Sheehan? These are all big-time splashers.
This isn't research. In research, you use evidence to prove a conclusion. But here, the conclusion is never questioned, and the "evidence" is just prejudices dressed up in strained illogical associations.
The NOW gang has promoted
February 20, 2008 - 02:38 ET by rbosqueThe NOW gang has promoted the murder of 48 million INNOCENT babies here and millions more abroad including China who was helped by the NOW Nazis via the UN. The safest place in the world should be in the womb of a mother. Now it is a place of violence and death.
Liberals are the mass murderers.
Well, I'll give AP some
February 20, 2008 - 03:34 ET by fitzfongWell, I'll give AP some credit...at least they allude to the terrorists among the eco-weenies. That's as close as you're going to get to 1/2 a loaf with that mob.
You folks are missing the
February 20, 2008 - 08:11 ET by motherbeltYou folks are missing the point. Domestic terrorism has caused more damage than foreign. But it's not because domestic terrorism has been more violent, it's because in the past 6 years there has been ZERO damage from foreign terrorists here (thank God!)
So even if it's only some smashed windshields or attempted arson of buildings by eco-terrorists, that's more than what foreign terrorist cells like al Queda have caused.
Good point
February 20, 2008 - 12:08 ET by KC MulvilleThe original report was about the "research" that suggested that more people were afraid of domestic terrorism. Technically, they may be right, but the story is deeper than that.
ELF and EarthFirst!
February 20, 2008 - 08:11 ET by GrannyGrump42It's the Lefties (specifically animal rights nutjobs and radical greens) who are committing multiple habitual acts of domestic terrorism. The MSM is just hoping to tar the prolifers with their brush, because they can't stomach the idea that it's people from their own side of the aisle that are doing the dirty deeds.
Here are couple of sites to
February 20, 2008 - 09:09 ET by motherbeltHere are couple of sites to compare the destruction caused by pro-life demonstrators and eco-terrorists.
The difference is startling.
and that doesn't even
February 20, 2008 - 12:11 ET by TruthMongerand that doesn't even factor in the terrorist damage done every day by abortionists - yowza
they could teach AQ a thing or two about destruction...
War Crimes
February 20, 2008 - 17:26 ET by LionKingIf a soldier used the same process on a POW that a so-called doctor (aka abortionist) used to perform a partial-birth abortion, the outrage and cries for war criminial charges would be deafening.
Dave, The author was
February 20, 2008 - 09:10 ET by LeonDave,
The author was clearly talking about all domestic extremists and not just abortion.
Hence (your emphasis):
Yet researchers say domestic extremists who commit violence in the name of their cause — abortion or the environment, for example
So are you purposefully ignoring the overall meaning of the story or are you just trying to make an issue out of something that's not there?
No need to stretch like this when there is plenty of material available for you to write about on a daily basis.
As for your insinuation that pro-lifers have attempted zero murders since 2001, you are sorely mistaken. December 6, 2007 - arson of an abortion clinic in New Mexico aka attempted murder, aka violence, aka extremism.
Let's rehash your article's premise:
1) You try to make it sound as if the author of the article was slandering pro-lifers exclusively when in reality he was slamming all domestic extremists, which he made very clear in the article.
2) You claim pro-lifers haven't been a problem since 2001. Wrong again. Dead wrong actually. Way off. Even the most minute amount of research would have shown you that you were wrong.
In closing, thanks for the lazy article about nothing.
Let's rehash your rehash Leon.
February 20, 2008 - 09:35 ET by IamTinman1.) No he didn't, You just wanted to read it that way.
2.) More deaths, to unborn babies and mothers, are caused by abortionists every minute of every day than have been caused by pro lifers in total since Roe V Wade.
In closing, thanks for the typical kneejerk liberal response.
1) Uh yes he did. Read
February 20, 2008 - 09:38 ET by Leon1) Uh yes he did. Read the article. In fact, forget that. Just read the headline if you're too lazy to read the article. Clearly the author was talking about all domestic extremists and not just pro-lifers, as Pierre would have us believe.
2) Irrelevant to whether or not pro-lifers have committed violent acts since 2001. But thanks for the weepy tag line.
In closing, why did you waste your time responding when you were (a) wrong and (b) had nothing to add to the conversation?
Dave Pierre should stick to Al Franken and leave the real thinking to the big boys.
Yikes ...
February 20, 2008 - 10:38 ET by Dave Pierre1. "The author was clearly talking about all domestic extremists and not just abortion." ... I agree! That's why I provided the quote from the AP for context. The issue is that the AP has lumped pro-lifers in as "terrorists," and they imply that they are a bigger threat than the foreign variety. I then clearly illustrate - with facts, not rhetoric - that this characterization is wrong.
2. "December 6, 2007 - arson of an abortion clinic in New Mexico aka attempted murder" ... Arson is a crime, but it's not "attempted murder" if the crime is committed in the middle of the night (11:30 pm) (as was the case in Albuquerque).
3. My stats don't come from a pro-life group or Wikipedia. (Links above in my article.) They come from the abortion lobby itself (NAF). Where are your stats?
Cheers.
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1) And that's why all you
February 20, 2008 - 17:16 ET by Leon1) And that's why all you talked about in your article was pro-life? yeah, that makes sense. Furthermore, they didn't lump all pro-lifers in as terrorists. They lumped extremist pro-lifers in as terrorists, which is 100% accurate as far as I'm concerned. The characterization in the article is indeed correct.
2) Arson commonly results in attempted murder charges, regardless of time of event. Furthermore, you said bombings. I see no difference between bombing an abortion clinic and burning one to the ground. Same end result. So would you argue that burning an abortion clinic down doesn't fall under the definition of domestic terrorism? I would disagree entirely.
3) I suppose this is some sort of attack on my New Mexico example although I'm not sure why you think I would have gotten that from Wikipedia. It was in the news. All over the internet. Yielded through a simple google search. And I only mentioned that single event b/c it showed that you were wrong in your assertion. I didn't attempt to analyze all of the events over the last decade b/c all I had to do to show you were wrong was point out one extremist incident, which is what I did.
4) Cheers what? Your lack of journalistic integrity or your lack of analytical thought or your selective reading of an article? I don't get it. What are you cheering? Oh wait, or are you British?
OK
February 21, 2008 - 00:00 ET by Dave Pierre1. "They lumped extremist pro-lifers in as terrorists, which is 100% accurate as far as I'm concerned." ... But as I've clearly illustrated - with statistics - there are no facts to back that up. Did you read the link someone provided about ecoterrorism? Whoa!
2. "I see no difference between bombing an abortion clinic and burning one to the ground." ... You may see no difference, but the abortion lobby and law enforcement clearly differentiate between the two.
3. "I suppose this is some sort of attack on my New Mexico example ..." ... I was not "attack[ing]" anything. I was simply pointing out that my analysis comes from facts, not rhetoric, and my facts come from the abortion lobby itself. (And these facts bear out how rare attacks by pro-lifers really are!)
4. I use the word "Cheers" as a friendly closer to my post - as a way to convey that I don't wish to engage in personally attacking anyone here. Meanwhile, I get attacked with a "lack of journalistic integrity" slam. C'mon, bro'. I know you're passionate about the issues, but there's no need to throw mud like that. It's just not cool. (BTW, I know I'm not some big-time blogger (nor do I care to be - I do this is as a casual hobby), but my work has been cited in no less than three published books, including a NYT bestseller.)
Cheer -- oop. I mean, bye.
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I Read the article Leon.
February 20, 2008 - 16:28 ET by IamTinmanThe author generally mentioned domestic terrorists but specifically mentioned pro life and eco terrorists while omitting political terrorists like Timothy McVay and terrorism practised by our own government ie Waco and the Oklahoma City Bombing. The damage caused by prolifers pales in comparison. It was obvious to all but maybe you what the intent of the AP article was.
I said since Roe V Wade. I guess you think that happened in 2001.
As far as responding, It was because I wanted to and the good folks at NB allowed me to. You didn't have to read it you could have gone back to moveon.org.
Death tally
February 20, 2008 - 09:59 ET by GrannyGrump42Let's tally up the deaths. I'll have to use numbers from the Centers for Disease Control, which are totally underreporting but they're the only numbers we have:
Number of abortion workers killed by nutjobs, 1972-2003: 7
Number of women killed by abortion workers, 1972-2003: 386
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/figures/s609a1t19.gif
This is NOT including women who died because abortionists failed to detect ectopic pregnancies, thus keeping the woman from seeking timely care. This is also NOT including Latachie Veal, who they just didn't bother counting for some reason; Angela Sanchez whose safe-n-legal abortionist turned out to be the clinic owner rather than a doctor; Myrta Baptiste, whose abortionist's license was suspended at the time of her abortion and thus was by CDC standards an illegal abortion; and any number of other women they didn't bother to count:
http://realchoice.0c...
And lest anybody be ready to brush these deaths off with a cavalier sneer that, "All surgery has risks," how many "surgeons" have a janitor administering anesthesia? How many "surgeons" leave the patient in the care of a receptionist when she's hemorrhaging? How many "surgeons" leave critically injured patients on the floor unattended while they go do other surgeries?
But it's the *prolifers* who are dangerous?
If we wanted to start jailing people who are a danger to life and limb, we'd start with the abortionists.
Great post Granny
February 20, 2008 - 17:23 ET by LionKingThis is a great post. I noticed none of the resident libtards could respond.
no LK, I just don't care
February 20, 2008 - 17:31 ET by Leonno LK,
I just don't care about abortion. The topic would never cross my mind if I didn't come to this site.
The only reason I responded to this article is b/c resident Franken stalker, Dave Pierre, wrote a dishonest little puff piece for the NBs to go nutty over.
Guys that are adament about abortion are weird as far as I'm concerned. Raise your children right, pick your friends wisely, associate with moral people and it's not something you'll ever have to worry about.
Who cares if someone wants to get an abortion? If it's not your blastocyte, it's not your business.
Leon
February 21, 2008 - 00:26 ET by RESTLESS 1One (wo)man's blastocyte is another's blastocyst.
So sucking the brain out of
February 21, 2008 - 00:07 ET by MightyMouthSo sucking the brain out of a soon to be born baby is no problem for Leon, who claims to be a lover of humans. Live and let live right Leon? As long as they don't interfer with your "business". Which party cares about people Leon?
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
"Not my daughter!"
February 21, 2008 - 10:34 ET by GrannyGrump42Eileen Smith saw her daughter Laura's cell phone number on the caller ID and picked up the phone expecting a happy chat. She got Laura's hysterical friend screaming and crying incoherently something about "Laura" and "hospital" and "not breathing" and "abortion". Then a doctor took the phone and told Eileen, "Laura's gone."
Ruth Ravenelle got a call telling her to come to the hospital right away, that her 13-year-old daughter Dawn was "fighting for her life." "I was going, 'How can she be fighting for her life? She left for school this morning looking fine never been sick." While she was at her daughter's bedside at the hospital -- having finally learned about the safe and legal abortion a school counselor arranged behind her back -- "I had to keep my hand pressed over my mouth to keep from screaming in horror. I was saying, 'This is a bad dream. I am going to wake up and this will not have happened.'" Dawn died without ever regaining consciousness.
Debbie Cardamone's daughter didn't want an abortion, but a hospital social worker browbeat her into it, telling her (falsely) that her baby had been damaged by medication Marla had taken, and that Marla would be unable to help her mother care for her quadriplegic father if she was saddled with a handicapped baby that nobody would ever adopt. "The last two weeks of her life, all she did was cry." Debbie reluctantly checked her daughter into Magee Women's Hospital. The next morning when she went to see her, all she found was a bloody, swollen, discolored corpse. Nobody had even bothered to call her.
Kay Stile has spent the past 15 years taking care of her completely debilitated daughter, Christi. Christi had been a healthy, vibrant 18-year-old girl, until she got raped by an schoolmate outside a skating rink, and Planned Parenthood referred her to an abortion clinic with no "crash cart" and no staff trained in how to resuscitate a patient who stopped breathing. Christi was left so badly brain-damaged that she is blind and as helpless as a newborn.
Nobody ever thinks it's gonna happen to their daughter.
There's really no point in
February 20, 2008 - 17:34 ET by balboaThere's really no point in responding.
True. The numbers speak
February 20, 2008 - 18:49 ET by Free StinkerTrue.
The numbers speak for themselves.
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Check it out
February 20, 2008 - 09:44 ET by GrannyGrump42The arson in Arizona was a father trying to save his own baby's life. Wrong approach, yeah, but hardly a political motivation.
Granny, Irrelevant. His
February 20, 2008 - 09:46 ET by LeonGranny,
Irrelevant. His motives were based on his pro-life beliefs, thus making him a pro-life extremist.
Not to mention, your light-hearted acceptance of his extreme violence is disturbing.
Sauce for the goose
February 20, 2008 - 10:03 ET by GrannyGrump42Actually, if you're for "choice" then you should respect his difficult decision to resort to arson. I'm sure he agonized over it the requisite amount of time.
After all, if it's all about letting people make their own moral choices, then his choice to commit arson is just as valid as her choice to snuff his baby.
Granny, Wrong. I never
February 20, 2008 - 17:19 ET by LeonGranny,
Wrong. I never support illegal/dangerous/potentially dangerous behavior such as arson.
Only a complete nut would support such a decision. Bizarre that you are attempting to rationalize this idiot's insane behavior.
Even if I were to agree that her removal of a blastocyte was as serious as you seem to believe, I fail to see how two wrongs make a right.
Sounds like you could you be one of the people Randolph was talking about in his article. Anyone that can rationalize violence like you do is prone to committing violence. You're scary.
Leon
February 21, 2008 - 00:31 ET by RESTLESS 1One (wo)man's blastocyte is another's blastocyst.
And speaking of blastocysts, ain't these just the cutest?
Be consistent.
February 21, 2008 - 10:37 ET by GrannyGrump42Why aren't you campaigning to abolish laws against arson? Aren't people capable of making their own difficult moral decisions? Who are you to dictate other people's choices? Who are you to say that some choices are more morally acceptable than others?
And enough with the "blastocyst". A blastocyst can't by definition be the target of an abortion procedure because it hasn't implanted yet.
Granny, Sorry, I'll be
February 21, 2008 - 12:59 ET by LeonGranny,
Sorry, I'll be more politically correct.
Blastocyst - American
PS you're wrong about implanting. Pregnancy begins when the blastocyst implants into the womb. At that point, if you get an aboriton, you are aborting a blastocyst. Fact.
Granny, why are you yelling
February 21, 2008 - 15:12 ET by RESTLESS 1Granny, why are you yelling at me? I am just, in my apparently not so funny way, trying to show Leon that blastocyst was the word he was looking for, not blastocyte. They are not the same, as blastocysts are mammalian. Don't think that I was taking Leon's side of this argument. I was trying to show him for the fool he is. Apparently, it went over everyone's head.
The Author is Biased
February 20, 2008 - 10:43 ET by allanfThe articles words show real bias. The author uses the term "right-wing extremists" and then "environmental activists" (quote below).
I think that says it all.
From the story:
In fact this story is a quintessential example of labeling bias. The MRC might even want to link to this story as an example of bias.
Yet researchers say
February 20, 2008 - 09:39 ET by general companyYet researchers say domestic extremists who commit violence
Who are these researchers, are they not proud of their work. Will they shun the AP for not giving them their props? Of course not LEON because they do not exists. But I am sure you believe all of the " not authorized to speak on the subject" quotes as well. Good grief
"Always do right. This will gratify some people, and astonish the rest". Mark Twain
No mention of abortion
February 20, 2008 - 10:42 ET by wiwfNo mention of abortion clinics' millions of acts of terrorism they have committed. I'll spare you details, you all know what they are.
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