NBC host Matt Lauer interviewed Sarah Palin on June 12, and defended comedian David Letterman and his joke about the statutory rape of Palin’s daughter by baseball player Alex Rodriguez.
When Palin began to condemn the joke as wildly inappropriate and offensive, Lauer defended Letterman: “Since David Letterman’s not here, let me just say that he did not mention Willow by name, and he then went on to say he was not referring to your 14-year-old daughter,” as though to Lauer the excuse diminished the vile nature of Letterman’s joke.
At the end of the segment, Lauer did admit that, “a lot of people feel the joke was in extremely bad taste, no matter which daughter of yours he was referring to,” but not before Palin pointed out that, “regardless, it was a degrading comment about a young woman,” and no joke of that nature should be tolerated, no matter how old the victim of the joke is.
Lauer noted, “At the end of your statement you said that ‘a joke like this contributes to the atrociously high rate of sexual exploitation of minors by older men who use and abuse others.’ Now, it was a joke. It was probably by most standards in bad taste.”
Leave aside the question of by which standards it was in good taste, Lauer the T.V. star feigned ignorance of the media’s influence on America’s culture when he asked Palin, “But can you really connect the dots to criminal activity the way you did in that statement?”
But Lauer was not done defending Letterman. Palin issued a statement refusing to appear on Letterman’s show stating, “it would be wise to keep Willow away from David Letterman.” Lauer asked, “Are you suggesting that David Letterman can't be trusted around a 14-year-old girl ...Well is that not perhaps in bad taste also, governor? If you're, you know, suggesting that a 62-year-old man couldn't be trusted?”
So Lauer equated a disgusting sexual joke about a young woman with Palin’s statement, and then forced a mother to defend herself for wanting to protect her young daughter from a man who insulted and humiliated her with the joke.
That’s “extremely bad taste.”
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let me be the first to say
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 12:07 ET by larry on LIletterman is a turd and lauer is a asswipe.
from a very defensive grandparent
→ Lauer
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 12:08 ET by Cool ArrowMatt Lauer can't see that a joke about Sarah Palin's daughter getting it on spontaneously with A-Rod in a crowded stadium, is in poor taste?
I'd just like to say to any ladies present, there are men out there, and please don't accept Matt Lauer as typical of the gender.
The only reason Clarence Thomas is on the Court is because he is black - Joe Biden
Cool One: Given Lauer's
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 12:26 ET by QueenMumCool One: Given Lauer's marital history, one wonders about his manliness. Not to worry. This female doesn't consider the "men" in the MsM to be the best examples of the sort of males one would consider good breeding stock.
"All people are born alike - except Republicans and Democrats." - Groucho Marx
→ Thanks, QM
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 12:29 ET by Cool ArrowAnd real men appreciate being evaluated for their stock potential.
The only reason Clarence Thomas is on the Court is because he is black - Joe Biden
Matt Lauer is no match for a
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 15:14 ET by d1carterMatt Lauer is no match for a real woman...
I'd like to know if Lauer
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 15:53 ET by JerryI'd like to know if Lauer ever said.. "Since Rush is not here to defend himself..." or "Since Gov. Palin is not here to defend herself....", or asked a Liberal if their defense of a family member was in bad taste. Rrriiigghhhttt...
Little Matt Lauer
Sat in his tower
Having his liberal say.
Along came a Palin
Who started a flailing.
And frightened Miss Lauer away.
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
Palin has every right to
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 12:09 ET by balboaPalin has every right to call out Letterman. But I think it's just further stirring the pot to say "keep Willow away from David Letterman" and when asked to explain the comment say "Take it for what you will."
And I don't believe you can connect any dots from Letterman's joke to criminal behavior, any more than you can blame Rush, Olbermann, for some nuts actions.
Wait a minute.. who has
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 12:11 ET by rimskyWait a minute.. who has ever blamed Olberman for inciting violence of any kind? I missed that.
Yes, it's absolutely
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 12:17 ET by Chris NormanYes, it's absolutely abhorrent and not understandable that Palin might want to get in her own dig against Letterman in response to his unprovoked attack on her daughter. She should rise above this and take the ugly unfair shots in silence like a good little Republican. After all, Palin is only not human.
The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.
Balboa, do you have a wife
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 12:20 ET by ckbennetttnBalboa, do you have a wife and kids? I'd guess not. If so, you should recognize the very strong compulsion to protect one's children from any harm-verbal, or physical, even if only implied. I couldn't care less if Sarah called him the most foulmouthed thing one can think of, she is completely justified. And again, if Todd Palin met Letterboy and put his teeth down his throat, he too is justified. You don't say things like that about soneone's kids, nor do you say their wife looks slutty.
Obama: 'I screwed up'--We're going to be seeing this a lot.
if Todd Palin met Letterboy
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 12:30 ET by JasonCif Todd Palin met Letterboy and put his teeth down his throat, he too is justified.
No, actually he'd probably go to jail for assault after receiving a beatdown from Dave's bodyguards. And he'd look like the kind of loser who resorts to violence to demonstrate that he's a big man. That has nothing to do with "protection."
Whether or not one has children is not the issue. If a person is going to enter the public sphere in a way that both Palin and Bristol have voluntarily done, and take public stances on controversial issues, they are going to be mocked in certain quarters.
NBC is covering themselves...
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 12:36 ET by countrycuzcountrycuz - ...from repercussions stemming from the comment made on the Today show Tues. morning comparing Governor Palin to an STD. Until the producers and hosts apologize for that vulgar quip I refuse to watch any NBC programming or purchase any GE product.
ummm...ok?
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 12:38 ET by JasonCummm...ok?
You're not married, are you Jason?
Sat, 06/13/2009 - 04:44 ET by Captain KirockLet someone publicly insult a woman in your family.
Let's see what your response is.
"Why suh, I do believe you
Sun, 06/14/2009 - 23:12 ET by JasonC"Why suh, I do believe you have besmirched the good name of my missus and young 'un. Pistols at dawn, suh! Now, I do hope the little lady will bring me my mint julep to enjoy whilst I fan myself on the porch."
Something like that, Capt? Did I do it right?
Sorry, but anyone who fights physically for anything other than imminent danger, especially someone who picks fights over a verbal slight to "defend" a woman, has some compensation issues going on.
Commence the avalanche of "Oh yeah, well what if...?" counterexamples.
Recently here in "small
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 12:46 ET by QueenMumRecently here in "small town, middle America" Jason, a local police officer was charged with assault for defending his wife's honor by punching a guy who had exposed himself to her. Charges dropped. And that's as it should be, IMO. However, you are correct in that folks like Letterman need to have "real men" with guns to protect them. Heaven forbid such an important person would find it necessary to bloody his fists in defense of his own person.
"All people are born alike - except Republicans and Democrats." - Groucho Marx
Being flashed could be
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 12:52 ET by JasonCBeing flashed could be reasonably conceived as a form of sexual assault, I guess. And obviously I think it's right and good for a person to defend their wife or daughter or whomever else from imminent danger. Exacting violent retribution for a mean-spirited dig several days after the fact, however, is little more than a proclamation of "look how manly I am!" It's not really about "defending" the poor insulted woman, it's about making sure everyone knows you have the biggest you-know-what in town. And justifying that is not "the way it ought to be."
So you think men having bodyguards, across the board, is cowardly?
If it were me, and some
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 13:05 ET by RogerCfromSDIf it were me, and some assclown ridiculed my wife and kids on national television on numerous occassions, I'd knock the offender on his ass if I ever met him. That's known as "actions have consequences."
If it were to land me in jail, so be it. I can handle that. What I refuse to do is go through life knowing I was too much of a wimp to defend my wife's honor when I could have.
I guess I'm old-fashioned that way. Unlike liberals, I stand up for what I believe in even if it's inconvenient to do so.
A nation cannot be free without a free, unbiased media. We are not free.
And I'm sure your kids and
Sun, 06/14/2009 - 23:15 ET by JasonCAnd I'm sure your kids and wife really need you to be sitting in jail feeling like your manhood is intact. That's much better than for you to shrug it off or fire a zinger back at the guy (you know, like an adult) and actually be there for your family, rather than be incarcerated. Good life choices there; but as long as its justifiably 'old-fashioned,' I guess I can't fault you.
Where you from? In most of
Sun, 06/14/2009 - 23:20 ET by BDWhere you from? In most of the country, such things are handled "Informally." In Texas, in particular the police normally wound hold ones coat while the ass kicking commences.
How very professional of
Mon, 06/15/2009 - 08:00 ET by JasonCHow very professional of them. Is the commissioner aware that his officers are basically holding cockfights (pun very much intended) between drunken bar patrons?
One of the problems with
Mon, 06/15/2009 - 08:29 ET by BDOne of the problems with society today is that we have lost the involvment of the citizenry in almost all forms.
This extends to even the simplest form: Shame.
THings that thirty years ago would have been called upon for society to shame a person and were thus well hidden are now triumphed by the participants. Do not believe me- simply note the emergence of the concept of "The Tell All."
Today if a person is being attacked on a city street, people either ignore it or reach into their pockets. Usually by the time the police arrive they have two functions - supervise the collecting of the remains and possibly collect evidence for prosecution (Or pleading to a lesser charge).
For society to return to health we need more involvment - shame, including ass kickings of those who shame us, and fewer lawyers.
Meh
Wed, 06/17/2009 - 11:20 ET by RESTLESS 1A night in jail for kicking dave's ass? No question, it would be worth it.
"This liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
Meh
Wed, 06/17/2009 - 11:20 ET by RESTLESS 1A night in jail for kicking dave's ass? No question, it would be worth it.
"This liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
re: "men having bodyguards,
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 13:13 ET by QueenMumre: "men having bodyguards, across the board, is cowardly"
No.
"All people are born alike - except Republicans and Democrats." - Groucho Marx
JasonC
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 14:30 ET by well99That is bull sh##.Some punk like letterman hides behind I am a "comedian" to take a cheap shot at Todds family.Letterman will hide behind his bodyguards because he is a punk.Also you make to damn many assumptions.Some one who doesnt defend his family is a pu$$y.Dont matter how many days it takes.
one of the dumbest things I've ever read here on NB
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 12:56 ET by SickofLibsBoth Palin AND Bristol voluntarily entered the public sphere?
How does a 17 yr old HS student "enter the public sphere"? Her mother accepted the job offer, so she had to go along for the ride, as all minors have to do.
And she took a public stance on a controversial issue?
What would that be... abstinence?
And being mocked in "certain quarters" would mean, what, virtually every single media outlet? Even five months after the election?
Well, Bristol actually has
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 12:58 ET by balboaWell, Bristol actually has because she's a spokesperson for that group, right?
What "group" are you
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 13:08 ET by QueenMumWhat "group" are you referrring to, balboa?
"All people are born alike - except Republicans and Democrats." - Groucho Marx
QM, I believe it's
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 13:14 ET by balboaQM, I believe it's Abstinence Ambassador for the Candies Group, or something like that.
Why, that witch - how dare
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 13:35 ET by Chris NormanWhy, that witch - how dare she? I take back all my defenses of her - let the attacks continue! Make fun of her until she ends up, mentally crushed, in a hospital! Let's call that lady who taunted that girl until she committed suicide - she'll know how to handle Bristol Palin.
The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.
Thankfully, you showed
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 13:43 ET by balboaThankfully, you showed tremendous restraint there...
Hey! It's Mister Literal!
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 14:09 ET by Chris NormanHey! It's Mister Literal! The amazing guy who doesn't recognize over-the-top sarcasm used to make a point. Also known as Mr. Reasonable - that mild mannered voice calling out for restraint from conservatives - no matter what the offense was that he doesn't understand or recognize.
The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.
I recognized your post as
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 14:35 ET by balboaI recognized your post as sarcasm, which I was referencing.
Her spokesperson gig
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 14:00 ET by SickofLibsHer spokesperson gig announcement was slightly over a month ago, well after the election, not to mention the campaign. That is not what jasonc implied. Palin is not even running for anything, so why continue these assaults anyway?
And Letterman has taken at least one other Bristol/pregnancy swipe during the campaign, when the kid was still a 17 yr old HS student.
Bal, that was a little more than a month ago
Sat, 06/13/2009 - 12:14 ET by CobraMan"<i>Well, Bristol actually has because she's a spokesperson for that group, right?</i>"
Bal, Bristol was appointed spokesperson for that group a little more than a moth ago. (Link) The liberals have been attacking Bristol ever since he mother announced that Bristol was pregnant. So, Bal, what's the excuses you'll use for the attacks against Bristol prior to her becoming a member of "that grup?"
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court
nothing to do with "protection."
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 13:18 ET by ckbennetttnWe're not talking about protection, we're talking about defending someone's honor. You don't talk about someone's kids or their wife like that and expect that everything is fine. It is important whether or not one has children, and doofus, the Palin children did not enter the public sphere. The stances they took on controversial issues just so happen to be what most everyday Americans believe. It's just that the MSM is so far out of touch with every day America. By the way, I think Todd could probably take his bodyguard.
Obama: 'I screwed up'--We're going to be seeing this a lot.
ckbennetttn
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 14:03 ET by cvgbuckeyeYou must remember when addressing people like balboa and jasonc, you must not use words of which they are unfamiliar; like HONOR etc.
And if they have never seen anyone get knocked on their ass for insulting those who cannot defend themselves then I will give them my address.
Wowww, nothing says tough
Sun, 06/14/2009 - 23:17 ET by JasonCWowww, nothing says tough guy like anonymous bravado on an internet message board.
"resorts to violence to demonstrate that he's a big man."
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 13:22 ET by ckbennetttnand Letterman reveals what kind of man he is in his smart aleck remarks about a woman and her children. You, Jason C, reveal what kind of person you are by trying to demonstrate some moral equivalency between the two.
Obama: 'I screwed up'--We're going to be seeing this a lot.
No, we're not talking about
Sun, 06/14/2009 - 23:19 ET by JasonCNo, we're not talking about moral equivalency, actually. Feel free to try again.
As for Todd, he seems pretty cool. I'm reacting to all the arrested development-afflicted internet badasses who are just wishing it was their wife or daughter who was insulted so they could have an excuse to go play he-man.
Knowing the former SF
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 14:59 ET by BDKnowing the former SF people who hire out as Personal Security these days, they would simply ignore the beat down as Lettermen has it coming.
Face it, an honorable man would offer to climb into the ring and take his lumps like a man.....
Yeah, liberals run their
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 16:48 ET by gmaniac1Yeah, liberals run their mouth but can't fight their own battles. And as far as entering the political spectrum, how did they do that you moron? By being a politician's child. Only a sick dolt like you would find a way to defend such garbage. But then again, you are a disgusting liberal so why should we be surprised?
When the people fear the government it's called tyranny, when the government fears the people it's called liberty!
In reply to all the
Sun, 06/14/2009 - 22:16 ET by JasonCIn reply to all the knee-jerk tough guys on this thread who get all puffed up and turned on at the thought of someone insulting a woman in their family just so they can throw a haymaker with perceived immunity:
No, I wouldn't like people talking s**t about my wife or anyone else in my family. And no, if someone did, that doesn't mean I get a free punch.
Bristol is on the cover of People magazine for having deployed herself as the voice of modern abstinence. That certainly qualifies as willingly entering the public realm.
You people are unbelievable. I didn't notice nearly so much indignation when Meghan McCain was being mocked and personally attacked for speaking her mind in public forums. Oh right, she's not a Palin and her daddy's a RINO anyway, right?
I'll let you all get back to fantasizing about manfully knocking out some lout who made a bad joke about a woman in your family. God knows those women would just be lost without us men and our machismo-addled chivalry...
JasonC
Mon, 06/15/2009 - 02:19 ET by well99You can spout all your nonsense but it don’t make it true. Your psycho babble shows you think everyone is supposed to act like you. Wrong answer. Just like the rest of the left you ridicule what you don’t understand. So continue with the fiction your posting. Just a note: Megan McCain was attacking people. You show me where Bristol was.
JasonC
Mon, 06/15/2009 - 03:32 ET by MrShyYou doofus*
(*yes, I'm calling you a name, but it's a funny one :))
Not only is well99 correct in pointing out that Meghan was attacking people and entering the fray of political discourse with her opinions, vs. Bristol who was doing nothing of the sort.... um... uuh.... where was Meghan being "mocked and personally attacked" ???
No, exactly, the MSM was fawning and gobbling her up. She was going on shows like Larry King because she was leaning left... sparring with conservative Republicans and saying nice things about Obama.
You're the next contestant on...
THE MESSIAH IS... LEFT !!
Hey Mr.Shy
Mon, 06/15/2009 - 03:49 ET by well99You hit the nail on the head.I guess JasonC missed Megan trashing conservatives.
I didn't say Meghan wasn't
Mon, 06/15/2009 - 07:52 ET by JasonCI didn't say Meghan wasn't "trashing" people and Bristol was. The point is merely that both of them have entered the political/cultural arena of their own accord.
Where was Meghan trashed? Um, Newsbusters message boards for one.
And are you now suggesting that one "unladylike" remark does in fact open a woman up to being made fun of for her appearance and presumed sexual proclivities?
Seriously, it's like I just hopped in a time machine to early 19th century gender assumptions.
JasonC
Mon, 06/15/2009 - 15:12 ET by MrShy"I didn't say Meghan wasn't "trashing" people and Bristol was. The point is merely that both of them have entered the political/cultural arena of their own accord."
You are lame.
"The point is..." = translated = "Having the egg that's now on my face, my new point is....."
You're the next contestant on...
THE MESSIAH IS... LEFT !!
Always was my point. See,
Mon, 06/15/2009 - 18:05 ET by JasonCAlways was my point. See, I operate under the philosophy that if you put yourself in the public sphere as a spokesperson or advocate of a particular ideology or cause, you open yourself to criticism and lampooning alike; even the occasional off-color-and-topical-but-ultimately-innocuous lampooning by a late-night comedian. I thought, in fact, that this was the conservative opinion; note the general conservative agreement with Ann Coulter's 'Jersey Girls' remarks, which essentially set the modern standard for this very idea.
By positioning herself as a national spokeswoman for abstinence and abstinence-only education - despite displaying an alarming ignorance concerning the topic - Bristol Palin positions herself as a public figure. Criticism and satire alike become fair game.
But now you seem to be suggesting that because Meghan McCain deigned to open her unladylike mouth and - gasp! - criticize variations of conservative thought with which she disagrees, that she essentially deserved any cruel or insulting remarks which were made about her. How dare the woman-folk questions the consecrated political methods of Rush Limbaugh?!?!
So the comments made about
Tue, 06/16/2009 - 10:00 ET by BDSo the comments made about the Palin family PRIOR to their coming forward and speaking were what? Out of bounds? If someone is DRAGGED INTO the public light like the Palin daughters by the Liberals, do they get a free shot?
There were certainly
Tue, 06/16/2009 - 10:10 ET by JasonCThere were certainly inappropriate things said about the Palin family in some quarters prior to Bristol's emergence as a representative of abstinence-only culture. I wouldn't deny that at all. But you're moving the goalposts...the issue here is whether all who voluntarily insert themselves into public light are equally open to critique and satire.
I would maintain that
Tue, 06/16/2009 - 11:48 ET by BDI would maintain that Bristols emergence was in RESPONSE to the earlier inappropriate behavior by the left. Thus NOT Voluntary.
Chasing a unit under fire with 155mm howitzers does not make that units behavior "Voluntary."
Problem is Jason
Wed, 06/17/2009 - 11:26 ET by RESTLESS 1dave was talking about Willow. She was the one at the game. She was dave's reference.
Willow has not entered the public fray willingly. *POOF*, there goes your argument.
"This liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
Restless
Wed, 06/17/2009 - 18:26 ET by well99Dont bring facts into this.They would rather use because I think so argument.See DL was caught making sick jokes and all his little worshipers have to defend him.Doesnt matter about the truth.They dont care.
I have already addressed
Thu, 06/18/2009 - 15:00 ET by JasonCI have already addressed this extensively on a different thread, the one about Bozell harumphing about Letterman's inadequate apology. It's a pretty big stretch to suggest that Dave was directing the joke toward Willow. It wouldn't even make sense. Anyone who hears that joke, whether they found it funny or not, would immediately think of Bristol, for obvious reasons. The fact that the Palins were at the stadium was a set-up for a throwaway joke. I'll agree that after the fact the case could be made that because the younger daughter was there, it could be seen as improper, but it's insane to suggest that that's what Dave meant by it.
The way that NBers are carrying on about how the joke simply must have been directed at Willow because she was the one at the game makes me wonder if you all have heard so much as a knock-knock joke in your lives. You certainly don't seem to get how the set-up for a bad joke doesn't necessarily square precisely with reality.
I can attest to what braveboy says.
Thu, 06/18/2009 - 23:15 ET by JWFHe is the king of the Argument Ad Nauseam. If he can claim enough times how quite clearly unmistakably painfully obvious, and insane to suggest otherwise, at what the joke necessarily squares precisely. If he can do that enough times in enough quarters, why the joke would magically become something other than a slam at a family member of a public person. A slam that is only acceptable for JasonC when the public person is Republican. Family members of Democrats are quite clearly unmistakably painfully obvious off limits.
If you can not buy that fallacious argument, try this one. Appeal to Authority. Don't take JasonC's word for it. The unerring fitzfong said it too.
Finally, if you still can't buy his other fallacious arguments, there is always his favorite one, the Ad hominem attack. You all are vaguely disgruntled (probably veterans listed in the DHS report), lost, and unlucid cowboys that pick on brave souls such as JasonC.
Bullies.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
JWF
Sat, 06/20/2009 - 17:18 ET by RESTLESS 1You forgot one my friend. By stating that he had dealt with this on another thread, he falesely cites himself as some kind of authority as well. I can do that too, as I have discussed the Willow perspective on other threads too, so case closed. :)
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
Thank you sir.
Sun, 06/21/2009 - 06:11 ET by JWFMight that be a form of Argument by Pigheadedness. Normally, that is a flat earther argument. But if you actually refuse to make your argument because you have made it elsewhere , that sir is pigheaded.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
By stating that he had
Sun, 06/21/2009 - 22:30 ET by JasonCBy stating that he had dealt with this on another thread, he falesely cites himself as some kind of authority as well.
Not really. I mentioned that I had made the argument elsewhere, and then proceeded to make it again. That it had already been made on other threads was not intended as supportive of the argument itself.
JWF, I'm just curious as to what search criteria you're using to find posts of mine from 18 months ago that you don't like. Do you do a search on my name along with keywords like "decontextualize" and "Coulter"? Or do you just lovingly sift through everything I've ever posted? So many stalkerish possibilities. And then of course your posts are barely intelligible, especially your fantasy about disciplinarian mothers. Save it for your shrink and/or D&D buddies. It's getting a little creepy, big guy, especially all the pet names you come up with.
I'll give you props on calling me out on the Qur'an posts, I should have written something back there. Not that that post ever had anything to do with you, but you know, I can see how you felt it was your duty to bring it to my attention a year after the fact. Props sporty.
If you'd ever like to actually, I don't know, rationally argue something, let me know.
Whatever, binky braveheart.
Tue, 06/23/2009 - 02:11 ET by JWFOnce again, brave brave binky braveheart responds to the arguments of someone else while directing a fallacious attack at me.
And Binky Braveheart wonders why I pick on him. Hey binky, recognize these traits in yourself? No, of course not.
Yea, most narcissist don't see their particular pathology. Of course binky won't see it. But oddly enough, most of the traits show through in his short paragraph directed at me.
Especially this - If you'd ever like to actually, I don't know, rationally argue something... Yea, that would be nice binky, except...
a. binky never actually, I don't know, argues. Binky makes an outrageous statement and then expends untold energy and internet bandwith defending said outrageous statement. Arguing implies some sort of give and take of which the narcissist binky will never partake.
b. binky has ignored every argument I have ever made. He instead engages in his favorite fallacious argument - needling. I made the argument above that Mr. Letterman made an uncalled for personal attack on a family member of a public person. Mr. Letterman apologised for the attack twice. Anyone seriously think binky will acknowledge that Mr. Letterman himself has said it was wrong?
c. Binky fails to realize you cannot argue someone off the truth. You cannot debate someone off their principles. How do you indoctrinate (what binky really wants) someone who's right?
Oh, and binky? Binky? Hey Binky! Get your face out of the mirror and pay attention. Why the link binky? Unlike you, I can stand by my words. Here is what I said.
See that? Binky got all upset because I mentioned mommy. He does this in a thread where binky defends the attack on a family member of a Republican woman. Hmmm. Yea binky, you gonna get lots of sympathy there. The bully JWF said something about mommy. That cannot stand. Only mentions of family members of Republicans are acceptable.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
It's cool man, I don't
Tue, 06/23/2009 - 14:43 ET by JasonCIt's cool man, I don't really think of you as a bully. More like a jester. A source of amusement. This implication that I throw rhetorical bombs whilst you are a paragon of rhetorical skill - even breaking out formal terms like "stacked deck" lately - is particularly fun. I am genuinely curious, though, as to how you select your epithets for me. I mean I get that braveheart and binky are meant to be demeaning, but why those particular names? I will wait in rapt attention for an explanation.
Also, you might want to rethink that silly accusation that criticism of Ann Coulter must be a cover-up for some sort of fetishistic mother fantasy, since if we carry the (ahem) logic of that premise to its natural extent, it would imply that half of the posters on NB get aroused when they think of Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, or Helen Thomas.
Did you just meet binky?
Wed, 06/24/2009 - 01:41 ET by JWFrhetorical bombs? "stacked deck"? When did I use those terms with you binky? This is the best you got now? Making stuff up?
I am not your google monkey binky. You think I have some special internet search powers unavaible to the mere mortal. Prove it. You don't have the honor of making demands on me binky.
I don't have to rethink anything binky. I said you have a fixation on Ann Coulter, binky. You. You, binky. I said nothing about any other poster. The constant harping on my statement only reinforces the point binky. You are fixated on Ann Coulter because you have mommy issues. I am not here to fix you binky, nor am I here to relieve your burden by playing into your burden of proof fallacious argument.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
I am so terribly sorry JWF,
Wed, 06/24/2009 - 11:44 ET by JasonCI am so terribly sorry JWF, the rhetorical fallacy term you accused me of - incorrectly - was "Bandwagon," not "stacked deck". The two are similar and I just plain confused which one you had used. It's in the year-old Cheney thread you recently resurrected, BTW. It's used incorrectly because the Bandwagon argument implies that being part of the group is a positive thing, something to be encouraged. You jumped on my phrase "You people" because it suggested inclusion. But the you people I was referring to was not being referred to as a desirable group. Nor was it an abstract one, but rather a simple way of addressing the majority of people who had already posted in that thread. If I'd said "All the cool conservatives accept that the Iraq war was launched under the pretext of Hussein's links to 9/11", that would be a bandwagon argument. I have no doubt that I might have committed some other rhetorical fallacy in that forum, but not the one you suggest. It was a really nice try though.
As for "rhetorical bombs", that was my term for how you described my arguments above.
I am not your google monkey binky. You think I have some special
internet search powers unavaible to the mere mortal. Prove it. You
don't have the honor of making demands on me binky.
I really don't know what you're talking about here...not that that's new. I was just wondering how exactly you were selecting which 1+-year-old threads to suddenly re-post on.
I took the bandwagon fallacy disagreement to the woodshed.
Thu, 06/25/2009 - 04:23 ET by JWFhttp://newsbusters.org/forums/woodshed/liberals-logical-fallacies-fallacious-arguments-huh-factor-31067
As for wondering about my search/selection methods, you will have to continue to wonder. I do not divulge secret troll busting methodology.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
Well, I can see wanting to keep
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 12:24 ET by Paul Atreidesa young girl away from someone with a vulgar sense of humor.
I am sure that she would probably want to keep her away from a lot of "comedians" who indulge in the kind of drivel in which David Littermouth engages.
I completely understand
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 12:36 ET by balboaI completely understand that, too. Which is what she could've said when Lauer asked for clarification, instead of implying that she thinks it's dangerous to have Letterman around 14-year-old girls.
Oh come on, balboa. Palin
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 12:48 ET by QueenMumOh come on, balboa. Palin was just joking. I guess you found it offensive, eh?
"All people are born alike - except Republicans and Democrats." - Groucho Marx
Um, no, I didn't find it
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 12:50 ET by balboaUm, no, I didn't find it offensive. I think she was trying to stir the pot some more.
Gee balboa
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 14:34 ET by well99Your right and Letterman running the jokes a third nite was oh ok.Oh forget he is a comedian.So Sarah and family are just suppose to take this sh$$ from letterman.Otherwise they are stirring the pot.Give me a break.
Didn't say it was OK,
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 14:37 ET by balboaDidn't say it was OK, well99. We were talking about Palin's comments.
balboa
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 15:13 ET by well99I understand that but Sara is allowed to respond.What she said wasnt overboard.Someone had said that about my kid their heart and soul may belong to God but their a$$ would be mine.
well99
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 15:17 ET by balboaI don't think Palin's comments were overboard either. She's entitled. But she easily could've explained what she meant, instead of "make of it what you will." I think if you're going to take the high road, take it all the way.
I'm not bashing her for saying what she said. It's a light critique, I suppose.
balboa
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 15:25 ET by well99I cant say why Sara said "make of it what you will." The thing is she didnt owe Matt a explanation.He was in Daves corner from the beginning.It is one thing if it is a neutral playing field but when it is stacked against you it doesnt matter.Whatever you said will be put in a negative light.If Greta had did the interview it would of been different I am sure.Greta does well with either side.
Every Right
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 15:31 ET by UtherpendShe has every right to stir the pot Balboa, in fact we need MORE pot's stirred in the Republican Party, we have too many people not defending themselves. We need EVERY conservative that is slandered to stand up for themselves and beat the issue into the ground till the left either shuts up or admits they are wrong.
Stop being the victim and start being a Defender.
"For a people who are free, and who mean to remain so, a well-organized and armed militia is their best security."
As I have stated, I have NO
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 15:37 ET by balboaAs I have stated, I have NO PROBLEM with Palin defending herself or her family.
No she doesn't
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 17:35 ET by nwahsNot if she wants to run for office. She should be above pedestrian (that means common or ordinary for NAMBLA man) bickering. Yes she should have defended her family concisely, but don't become a drama queen. She acts as if she's was no way prepared for cheap shots. Well if she's that naive, she doesn't have my confidence. Yes they were cheap shots. But treat them as a Presidential candidate would treat them and not how a suburban family would treat them. You really want to see Todd Palin and David Letterman fighting in the street? That'll get you the web toe vote.
Lights will guide you home
And you state that you
Sat, 06/13/2009 - 12:02 ET by gmaniac1And you state that you don't defend Dave's comments. The fact that you are even commenting against Palin's response, which is quite civil compared to most, is a testament to you being a liar. And what is all this NAMBLA referencing you keep doing? Are you a closet member? Nobody on here referenced NAMBLA except you. After searching that acronym it's men loving boys, which is against the law as well. I guess if it didn't stop Letterman it shouldn't stop people defending his "jokes." You libtards are so mixed up that you can't even get your genders straight.
When the people fear the government it's called tyranny, when the government fears the people it's called liberty!
don't make fun of my ears
Sat, 06/13/2009 - 12:06 ET by botgokay dumbo
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -- Chief Justice John Roberts
Kmew exactly what she was doing...
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 13:18 ET by retroconI think Sarah knew exactly what she was doing when her spokesperson made the comment about Lettersubhuman.
And she got exactly the response she expected.
According to the MSM, Big man insults innocent girl = mother insulting big man who insulted innocent girl.
She has forced the MSM to make public their value system, which is more of a valueless system.
balboa
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 12:26 ET by cvgbuckeyeBefore the earth falls into the sun and time is no more; would you please try to acknowlege something good and decent without using the word "BUT"!! B U T give me some warning before you do so that I can call your friend Satan and warn him that it is about to freeze over.
I acknowledge chocolate chip
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 12:37 ET by balboaI acknowledge chocolate chip cookies as good and decent.
I must agree with balboa in
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 12:50 ET by QueenMumI must agree with balboa in re: to the chocolate chip cookies. And add strawberry shortcake with lots of Cool Whip as also being good and decent.
"All people are born alike - except Republicans and Democrats." - Groucho Marx
But...
Sat, 06/13/2009 - 12:18 ET by CobraMan"I acknowledge chocolate chip cookies as good and decent."
But, what about all that trans-fat?
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court
I'm glad to hear that, bal
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 12:40 ET by KC MulvilleYou can't connect public debate, even the crass shoutings on TV, to these nutcase shootings. I also agree that Palin was trying to score a point where she didn't need to, but I can perfectly understand why she would be motivated to do it.
If we can agree that these liberal "climate of hate" warnings are just as much moonshine, I'm happy to leave it there.
All in favor say aye.
As usual, KC, you are the
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 12:49 ET by balboaAs usual, KC, you are the voice of reason.
And you, Balboa, are the
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 12:54 ET by Chris NormanAnd you, Balboa, are the voice of lukewarm mush.
The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.
You're welcome.
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 12:59 ET by balboaYou're welcome.
Don't - at a restaurant,
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 13:37 ET by Chris NormanDon't - at a restaurant, you'd be sent back to the kitchen.
The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.
Zing...?
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 13:48 ET by balboaZing...?
Yeah you got zinged. "For
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 15:33 ET by UtherpendYeah you got zinged.
"For a people who are free, and who mean to remain so, a well-organized and armed militia is their best security."
And only in liberal-land
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 14:23 ET by motherbeltAnd only in liberal-land would she be challenged on the severity of her response while they claim that granted, Letterman was obnoxious, but aren't you exaggerating?
In a nonbiased interview, Lauer would have been asking How hard was it for you to restrain Todd from going and beating the snot out of him?
I didn't think it was physically possible, but this both sucks and blows. -Bart Simpson
Yea because we are tough
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 17:42 ET by nwahsAn future Presidential candidates settle things with their fists, right?
The fact is Letterman was obnoxious and the drama queen response was exaggerated for political effect. If a person can't handle cheap shots, please get out of the political arena because its full of them.
Lights will guide you home
If a person can't handle
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 21:36 ET by PeskyDaneIf a person can't handle cheap shots, please get out of the political arena...
Like Sara Palin can't handle cheap shots...
Direct those shots at the right target
Sat, 06/13/2009 - 12:22 ET by CobraMan"If a person can't handle cheap shots, please get out of the political arena because its full of them."
Palin CAN handle the cheap shots. The shot against Palin herself was ignored, as it should be. But the shot in question wasn't direct at her, it was directed at her DAUGHTER. Do you really believe that the children of political figures are fair game? Or is it only the children of Conservatives that are target worthy?
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court
Non-Apology Stirred it, not Palin
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 12:46 ET by RpeggioI'd agree with you that Gov. Palin is going too far with her references to exploitation of women etc. IF and that's IF Letterman had really apologized the other night...but that weak, lame, sour liberal didn't, he was sarcastic and got laughs again at Palin's expense as he pulled one of those non-apology apologies. It was pathetic, and I was a huge Letterman fan.
He should have simply said, solemnly and directly:
"Gov. Palin, the joke about your daughter, Willow or Bristol was out of line, out of bonds and of very poor taste and I sincerely apologize. Politician's families shouldn't be fair game and I made a mistake."
And if anyone in the audience laughed while he was sincerely apologizing, he should have told them to "please be quiet, this isn't a joke, I made an honest mistake."
It's like when someone says I apologize if I offended anyone, vs. simply, I was wrong, I apologize for what I said. Two completely different levels of sincerity and taking responsibility for what you said and did. I'm done with Letterman, and that's a shame.
Balboa
Sat, 06/13/2009 - 04:18 ET by DoktorFrankenPalin has every right to
June 12, 2009 - 13:09 ET by balboa
BULLSPIT. You AND your derailing, misdirecting comments. Why this site puts up with your complete waste of throughput and server storage is beyond me. You add nothing, nothing but Alinsky garbage. Your only readable posts are to allay building opinions and lull others into thinking you have something worthwhile to say. I've yet to read anything of yours along those lines.
Why don't you, Matt Lauer, and David Letterman go butt-poke each other to morally bankrupt heaven. After all, that's what the Left is clamoring for, anyway. More anal freedom. With all of the asses in the Democrat Congress I can see why.
Bal,
Sat, 06/13/2009 - 09:47 ET by RESTLESS 1Did it ever occur to the left that Palin said she should keep Willow away from dave for HIS OWN SAFETY? :)
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
I have to think that the
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 12:10 ET by rimskyI have to think that the Govenor has Todd hog tied some place back in Alaska. The poor guy has to be seething.
LOL...I just got down this
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 14:24 ET by motherbeltLOL...I just got down this far....see my reply to KC above....
I didn't think it was physically possible, but this both sucks and blows. -Bart Simpson
Did we or she expect any
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 12:12 ET by Chris NormanDid we or she expect any better treatment from the liberal kangaroo court on the Today Show? If one of the definitions of insanity is doing the same thing over and over, expecting a different result - then, why, oh why, do Republican politicians subject themselves to these inquisitions? What, did Palin think that Matt Lauer had suddenly developed a fair conscience?
The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.
→ Alan Alda?
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 12:12 ET by Cool ArrowDid Alan Alda retire as "Most Docile NOW Eunuch", and when did they put the tiara on Matt Lauer?
The only reason Clarence Thomas is on the Court is because he is black - Joe Biden
Re Alda
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 12:24 ET by slickwillie2001Remember that old book from the 80's, 'Real Men Don't Eat Quiche'? Alda was listed as a prominent quiche-eater.
I wonder how that idiot.......
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 12:17 ET by BEGRUNTLauer would react if it was his daughter?? I just love how these pompous asses are "above" all of this.........Put the shoe on the other foot Lauer, before you make an asinine comment like that.
BG,I'd like to put my
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 12:38 ET by Chris NormanBG,
I'd like to put my shoe somewhere else - if you know what I mean...
The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.
Letterman is associated
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 12:18 ET by AlgerHissLetterman is associated with Indy race car & auto dealer owner Bobby Rahal.
Perhaps Mr. Rahal should be advised that as long as he is associated with Letterman, he can take his racing activity AND his new vehicle dealerships and cram them.
Click here for Rahal-Letterman Racing.
Click here for Rahal’s dealerships.
Rochester, Minnesota: A Fem_Leftist City!
...or not, at least this year
Sat, 06/13/2009 - 08:03 ET by RightOfMostRLR is not running the 2009 IndyCar schedule this year...something about "lack of sponsorship."
Bobby Rahal, who individually is a class act and an Indianapolis 500(R) champion, will not be getting much help at least for now in trying to find signage for his Dallaras.
"Thanx, Dave."
The current economic crisis: (c) 2008, George Soros, LLC (with assistance from the U.S. Democrat Party). All their Marxist rights reserved; all my rights severed.
X
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 12:19 ET by serfer62We all owe algore graditude for inventing the Internet...and just in time too. Now we can get real news with real facts.
Thanks algore
Palin stated her case quite
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 12:19 ET by QueenMumPalin stated her case quite clearly. Lauer was left with nothing more than some sort of ill-prepared riposte suggesting moral equivalency. Does Lauer have any daughters? Does he really think it acceptable for Letterman to have said what he said and unacceptable for Palin to suggest that Letterman was minimizing his contribution to the demeaning of young women? What a tool!
"All people are born alike - except Republicans and Democrats." - Groucho Marx
The likes of David Littermouth and Matt Lauer
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 12:25 ET by Paul Atreideshave a common enemy, with whom they view with contempt: Sarah Palin and her family.
QM, you have to remember,
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 14:27 ET by motherbeltQM, you have to remember, they just reflexively attack and challenge the conservative, no matter what.
I didn't think it was physically possible, but this both sucks and blows. -Bart Simpson
Lauer is a whore and Palin
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 12:22 ET by amberLauer is a whore and Palin should have told him so.
Palin's response was stupid and kneejerk
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 12:25 ET by nwahsShe had right on her side and she tried to exploit the situation for something more. She pretty much looks like a "whiplash" plaintiff now. Yea she might get a few blocks on this, but I think she threw away any political future.
Lights will guide you home
So, coming to the defense of her child
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 12:27 ET by Paul Atreidesis exploitation? Especially, in view of the fact that the "apology" was nothing more than another chance to snigger and sneer.
No
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 12:35 ET by nwahsComing to the defense of her daughter is not exploitative. Using the opportunity to put forth the notion that David Letterman was telling a sex joke about a 14 year old child because he is a man not to be trusted around children (pedophile tendencies?), is exploiting the situation. And people are not going to take kindly to it.
Lights will guide you home
Yes, I, myself, have
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 13:00 ET by Chris NormanYes, I, myself, have formed "Outraged Citizens Against Palin's Unfair Attack on Poor David Letterman". We are lighting our torches and sailing for Juneau even as I type (our torch lights will guide us). We do not take kindly on unprovoked attacks against this national treasure. This monster, Sarah Palin, is through. Through, I tell you!
The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.
She didn't say he was a "pedophile"...
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 13:03 ET by Karma...anymore than Letterman said the name "Willow". I would not want Letterman, or those who defend him in this case, around children for several reasons. That's just me.
Healthcare...Food...Education...Housing... - What sprouted as free for some is maturing into a free-for-all.
Thank you Karma . . .
Sat, 06/13/2009 - 04:43 ET by DoktorFranken. . . For being so succinctly correct. Your caution in this is mine as well.
Distraction, Redirection, Avoidance, Parsing, Baiting, Attacking . . . they are all part of the trolls' bag of tools. You have elegantly turned it back onto the morally retarded posters with superb effect.
Oh is that it? I call
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 16:52 ET by gmaniac1Oh is that it? I call your b.s. comment as a another sicko response to a sicko comedian, but please continue losing the debate.
When the people fear the government it's called tyranny, when the government fears the people it's called liberty!
Letterman shouldn't be trusted.
Sat, 06/13/2009 - 12:28 ET by CobraMan"And people are not going to take kindly to it."
As usual, you've got everything backwards. As a father of a 15 year old daughter, I can tell you personally that I wouldn't trust ANYONE who made sexual "jokes" about my daughter being molested, nor should anyone else. Sarah said what all responsible parents are thinking, that David can't be trusted as he shows NO RESTRAINT when it comes to the treatment of children.
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court
nwahs
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 12:30 ET by cvgbuckeyeI know that this won't mean much to you, (backwards, how clever), but no one really gives a damn what you think. Just in case you haven't noticed.
n-waaahhh's just a simpleton..
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 12:35 ET by Sergeant ROCK... and he's the best apologist the left has to offer to counter the non-stop examples of the left's double-standards and hypocrisy posted here?? Geez!
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
LOL, sssshhhhh.... Backward's Shawn hasn't figured that out yet.
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 21:12 ET by pahuberBest quote of the thread.
"Coincidentally", Olbermann
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 12:41 ET by SickofLibs"Coincidentally", Olbermann said basically the same thing last night.
Point is, had Rush...
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 12:25 ET by Sergeant ROCK. . made the EXACT same joke about Michelle Obama and her daughter, it would be 'OHHHH... the humanity!!!' for years after the fact.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Sarge
Sat, 06/13/2009 - 04:49 ET by DoktorFrankenThe Congress, Supreme Court, the Media, and Hussein would all call for Rush's removal from the airwaves and his subsequent waterboarding (and not for valuable information to save Americans but just for the sheer joy the Left would get out of it) and then his hanging. Nothing less would be expected, and that's the honest truth.
→ Lauer
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 12:27 ET by Cool ArrowI think they're grooming Lauer to replace Barbara Walters on The View.
The only reason Clarence Thomas is on the Court is because he is black - Joe Biden
Well as I suggested earlier
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 12:34 ET by QueenMumWell as I suggested earlier Cool One, he certainly would fit right in with the rest of the "girls".
"All people are born alike - except Republicans and Democrats." - Groucho Marx
It is clear the Lauer/NBC
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 12:28 ET by pcantidoteIt is clear the Lauer/NBC pursued an interview with her on the topic only to challenge her statement and diminish the vast majorty view that Letterman's joke was in very bad taste. I think NBC was afraid that America might actually being siding with Palin and they couldn't stand it. The interview should have been an opportunity for Lauer to find common ground with Palin. It was right there for the taking. I guess when you are government run network you do not have to look for common ground but instead continuously spew hatred and propaganda 24/7.
Enforce Term Limits if They Won't: Vote Against ALL Incumbents in 2010.
Palin hit it pretty good on the double standard, but..
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 12:31 ET by Gary HallPalin hit it pretty good on the double standard, but... she missed a point and another example.
First, in addition to the MSM, comedians, and others, so willingly following the orders (they did not need orders here) to leave Obama's family off the table, there was also Chelsea Clinton.
Only Chelsea, who now as a professional adult and who went out in an official capacity on the campaign trail for her mom during the primary battle was protected by the same understanding. It was ordered by the Hillary camp that she was off limits. The press wouldn't be allowed to ask her questions.
So, for the first time in our history, I suspect, (well, it's this way in North Korea) an active spokesperson for a very controversial candidate for the presidency of the United States of America - is off limits to the national press? The press was fine with that? They should have been outraged.
And of course, off color jokes about Chelsea would never become an issue.
But here's the tickler. If someone out there had come out and smeared a family member, notably a child of Hillary Clinton or Obama, as Letterman is doing, we would see that it would be the national MSM, Matt Lauer leading the pack, out there pounding on that person - calling them to task - attacking anyone who defended what they had done. The national MS newpapers would have their staff columnists and writers all over the transgression. The Rebuplican party and it's pundits would be called haters, mud slingers, old white men, anti-feminists. And, if it the subject of such jokes had been one of Obama's children, then they would be called racists.
Matt Lauer is defending Letterman and attacking Gov. Palin?
Hey, what about that natural gas pipeline? Gee, Matt had not even one follow-up question on such an important national issue? The TransAlaskan gas pipeline, by the way, was widely supported by the Clinton administration and Democrats - until President Bush became president. Then suddenly it was bad news. The left will reject it - only because Sarah Palin is Gov.
(;~/ gary
<sound of duct tape ripping off roll>
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 13:29 ET by motherbeltOnly in liberal-media-land does a Republican have to defend herself and prove that she can "connect the dots" leading from stupid sexual jokes to rape and pedophilia.
If Lauer is too stupid to see where the sexualization of young girls has been dragging us in recent years (it didn't start with Letterman) then he has grapes for brains, and no explanation will convince him. He is reflexively defending anothyer liberal against a conservative he can't stand. That's just his knee-jerk reaction: challenge the conservative.
I didn't think it was physically possible, but this both sucks and blows. -Bart Simpson
Why didn't Lauer interview Letterman?
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 12:34 ET by KC MulvilleNow, to be fair, I don't think Letterman's comment can be traced to sexual exploitation. Palin was just trying to score a point, but she didn't need to. I can make a case that the culture, in general, has so promoted sexuality that women are reduced to sexual objects, but that has been happening for many years before insignificant Dave Letterman came along.
What's infuriating, though, is that Lauer can ask (with a straight face) whether you can connect the dots, all the while ignoring how liberals are desperately trying to connect the dots to conservatives for those nutcase shootings.
So you don't see
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 12:42 ET by nwahsYou really think David Letterman is not going to be given a forum to tell his side and demonstrate all the work he's done for children over the years? You don't think youth counselors, psychologists, psychiatrists and clubs( not to mention Oprah) , are going to be standing behind Dave defending him from Palin's character assassination?
Wait for it.
Lights will guide you home
Give it a rest. You're
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 12:54 ET by Jack BauerGive it a rest. You're giving morons a bad name.
I know you think you're being "cute" in chirping that Palin is indulging in "character assassination" by defending her daughter, and not being happy at being called a slut.
You want to defend the promulgator of rape jokes. Cute.
But even though the Obamas put their kids out there all the time -- I'm not going to make pedo jokes.
In fact, I'm going out on a limb and saying parents have a right to "character assassinate", as you bizzarely call it, anyone who verbally attacks their kids in an alleged comedy routine. Call me old-fashioned, but there you have it.
I guess I'm just not down with the hate, like you.
Rush Limbaugh
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 12:57 ET by nwahsSaid the joke was hilarious. So why are you picking on me?
Lights will guide you home
Rush said it out of sarcasm
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 16:54 ET by gmaniac1Rush said it out of sarcasm and you decided to defend this fool, so quit your bitchin'.
When the people fear the government it's called tyranny, when the government fears the people it's called liberty!
NWAhS has proven incapable
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 17:04 ET by BDNWAhS has proven incapable of delinating the line between sarcasm and sentiment before, so you are wasting your time.
I didn't defend Letterman
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 17:45 ET by nwahsYou wouldn't know that because you are obviously illiterate.
Lights will guide you home
Hey douche, the only one
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 17:56 ET by gmaniac1Hey douche, the only one illiterate is you. You can't even read your own writing.
When the people fear the government it's called tyranny, when the government fears the people it's called liberty!
Well quote it for me
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 18:08 ET by nwahsQuote it and put up a link. Do you know how to post a link to a specific post? You want me to get someone over here to teach you how to do that?
This is what you do:
First link to the post. Just click on the subject of the post and then highlight and copy the http address and paste it in message:
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2009/06/09/letterman-attacks-...
Then put the quote you are talking about :
I saw part of it
June 9, 2009 - 18:15 ET by nwahs
I switched the channel after the "joke" about Palin's daughter. The
trouble is, in my city, the best local news is on the CBS affiliate.
Most time I remember to flip the channel after the news, but sometimes
it takes a gross remark (like the one about Palin's daughter) to remind
me. I really dislike that man. He went from funny/amusing to outright
obnoxious and mean around the time he was trying to woo Oprah Winfrey
to his show.
That way you can actually quote me defending the joke instead of making up a fact like a moron.But I'm guessing with your use of "douche" you are a moron - or 12.
Lights will guide you home
Thanks for the tutorial and
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 18:24 ET by gmaniac1Thanks for the tutorial and again you must feel guilty to go to all that trouble for little old me calling your b.s. out. It still looks like your defending Letterman but nice try douche!
When the people fear the government it's called tyranny, when the government fears the people it's called liberty!
My literacy is adequate,
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 23:02 ET by BDMy literacy is adequate, thank you for your concern.
The key to understanding the concept put forth by Limbaugh is illustrating absurdity by being absurd. Now do you see his position in the telling of that version of the joke?
He placed the onus on the left by illustrating the absurdity.
No way
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 12:57 ET by KC MulvilleYou really want to get into this one? For me, I think it's silly. Palin was striking back at a jerk who took a cheap shot at her daughter. To call that a character assassination against an upstanding citizen ... and demand that Dave be defended ... is just political gamesmanship.
The adult path here is for Letterman to apologize, and then for the rest of us to drop it.
Still waiting?
Get your tickets now for the "SAVE DAVE!" celebrity concert
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 14:03 ET by SickofLibsYeah, the groundswell on this is going to be even bigger than the Alice's Restaurant Anti-Massacree Movement of 1969.
"all the work he's done for children"? HA!
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 13:17 ET by SickofLibsHere's quick link to "all the work he's done for children over the years."
http://www.looktothestars.org/celebrity/531-david-letterman
The only charity he is listed as supporting is, get ready...
The American Foundation For Courtesy and Grooming.
Feel free to post anything, anything at all, to back up your claim. And one-time appearances at or buying a ticket to a charity function does not count.
nwahs
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 14:43 ET by well99This guy was a youth coach.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=2900174&page=1
"Federal agents arrested Charles Rust-Tierney, the former president of the Virginia chapter of the ACLU, Friday in Arlington for allegedly possessing child pornography.
According to a criminal complaint obtained by ABC News, Rust-Tierney allegedly used his e-mail address and credit card to subscribe to and access a child pornography website.
The complaint states that federal investigations into child pornography websites revealed that "Charles Rust-Tierney has subscribed to multiple child pornography website over a period of years."
Youth Coach, Argued Against Restricting Public Internet
Rust Tierney coaches various youth sports teams in and around Arlington, Virginia, according to court documents.
"In the past, Rust-Tierney had argued against restricting Internet access in public libraries in Virginia, writing, "Recognizing that individuals will continue to behave responsibly and appropriately while in the library, the default should be maximum, unrestricted access to the valuable resources of the Internet."
This is significant
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 12:47 ET by nwahs"Now, to be fair, I don't think Letterman's comment can be traced to
sexual exploitation. Palin was just trying to score a point, but she
didn't need to."
She tried to score that point with a very serious problem - child exploitation. People do not take kindly to using child exploitation as a manipulation tactic. There are states that have laws that if a parent falsely accuses child abuse against the other parent to get custody, the false accuser loses all parental rights to the child. Child exploitation is a very serious matter, and most people don't want it used to "score a point."
Lights will guide you home
Fine
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 12:59 ET by KC MulvillePoint made.
Are you willing to concede that Letterman shouldn't have said it in the first place? If so, I'm willing to drop it.
KC, I've said that all along
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 13:10 ET by nwahsIn the very first topic of this "joke" I said the joke was obnoxious and David Letterman is more mean than funny. But on this board, if you don't join lock step, people just make things up. I've not once defended the joke or said it was anything but disgusting. This is a synopsis of what happened.
poster1: "That joke was awful "
poster 2: "Yes, it was classless"
me: "Yes it was obnoxious. I turned him off"
poster1:"It was worse than obnoxious, it was about child rape"
poster2:"Yea Letterman is a pedophile."
me: "Wait a second, I don't agree with that."
poster1: "Because you're a liberal"
poster2: "That cause you love Letterman"
some crazy person: "YOU BELONG TO NAMBLA"
Now what am I supposed to do?
Lights will guide you home
"people just make things up"
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 13:21 ET by SickofLibsYou mean like you just did with your previous comment about "all the work Letterman has done for children?"
Exactly, and who knows what
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 16:57 ET by gmaniac1Exactly, and who knows what kind of work Letterman wants to do with children. I'm sure the liberals would defend him on that too!
When the people fear the government it's called tyranny, when the government fears the people it's called liberty!
Fair enough
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 13:36 ET by KC MulvilleLook, nwahs, I apologize. In the tidal wave of comments about this little kerfuffle, I lose track of who said what. If you started the conversation by saying Letterman was wrong, OK, I'll buy that.
There is a herd instinct here, and I certainly feel it. I'm a parent. The moment I read that Letterman made that comment, my first reaction was a visceral pack instinct - leave the kids out of it. And when Letterman refused to acknowledge that his little campaign against Palin had gone too far, I think that just made me all the more determined to shove it back in his face.
It also coincides with the little whisper campaign to blame conservatives for the nutcase shootings. One shooting was by an anti-abortionist nutcase, but the other two notorious shootings lately (the Holocaust Museum and the Army Recruiter cases), the shooters had nothing to do with conservatives. The liberals tried to blame them on conservatives anyway. But then, when we have a clear case of a liberal attacking a conservative unfairly ... the media attacks Palin for not being able to take a joke!
The sheer unfairness of all that provokes me into a fighting mood.
So, I can't speak for those other comments, but I hope you understand why I'm ready to jump on anything. I'm tired of the media's hypocrisy in these little cultural fights. Of course, I'm Irish. I'm up for a good fight most of the time anyway.
I didn't mean it for that
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 17:52 ET by nwahsNo apology necessary. I'm just trying to explain what happened and the nature of this board. Its more of a flame board than a political board. Sort of an ET on mean steroids. If you have an opinion that differs from the norm, they'll make up things about you.
I have a thick skin. I have no doubt I could have a beer with 70% of this board and we'd laugh in spite of ourselves. The other 30%, I guess we'd be beating each others brains out. But as a song once said, 2 out of 3 aint bad :)
Lights will guide you home
→ nwahs
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 17:56 ET by Cool ArrowEnough beers, and we'd have a good time beating each others' brains out.
The only reason Clarence Thomas is on the Court is because he is black - Joe Biden
Not at my age
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 18:11 ET by nwahsMaybe 20 years ago, but it takes a while for me to put things back in place now :)
Lights will guide you home
→ Touche'
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 18:15 ET by Cool ArrowMore likely we'd just get drunk and lie about the brawl later.
The only reason Clarence Thomas is on the Court is because he is black - Joe Biden
Now thats what I'm talking about
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 19:06 ET by nwahsThese days I fight better over the internet :)
Lights will guide you home
Guessing here: 1. Because
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 14:48 ET by balboaGuessing here:
1. Because Palin was on to talk about something else, giving Lauer the opportunity.
2. She's quick on her feet.
3. Good point. It could be argued that the fervor with which pundits argue their points is a bit more influential than Letterman telling a joke. Regardless, you are correct.
top 10, what is going to happen to letterman now
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 12:40 ET by kangaroo10. advertisers jump ship
9. reduced to reruns on the history channel
8. dads and grandads knock him into next week
7. moms and grannys kick him were it hurts
6. A-Rod bitch slaps him
5. Conans ratings will rise
4. Obamma sends him a pat on the back
3. has surgery to get a spine
2. thanks Matt for the fun times, nudge nudge wink wink
1. becomes janitor at the zoo, so he can keep an eye on wife and child
Before the odious David
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 12:42 ET by Jack BauerBefore the odious David Shuster opens his rancid yap on the subject, let's all remember his grovel after equating the 28 year old, highly paid, Hedge Fund manager, Chelsea Clinton, to a whore.
RE: Here's the double standard that engulfed America today...
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 12:50 ET by OBIE1DAKOMYA few years back Don Imus made a crude, disgusting remark about the Rutgers woman basketball players, calling the h words ets. Not only was he made a poster boy for abuse by left leaning groups and the Al Sharpton's of the world, he lost endorsements and his job. His reputation was soiled pretty much. I enjoy listening to Imus in the morning and thought some of the jokes were inappropriate but it was part of his routine. It's all fun and games. Yet, David Letterman makes as vile, disgusting and repugnant joke about Sarah Palin looking like some Airline s... and his daughter getting it from a Yankees ball player and no one has called for his resignation, no endorsements have been pulled, no one is contemplating anything of the sort. He has issued an apology which sounded more like a reitteration of his sick joke. What's with the double standards in this country? So... if Rush Limbaugh came out and said that the Lakers celebrated their series win by visiting the White House and touring the girls bedrooms would that have been appropriate. No it wouldn't. Rush would never stoop so low. No one would. But... Letterman gets away with making this insensitive remark because he works at cbs and Sarah Palin happens to be his favorite project. What about the rapper Eminem... he made a record that said he would show Ms Palin his "lil friend". Where's the calls for his ouster too....
I say boycott both Letterman and Eminem. Have them both issue public apologies, donate to some meaningful charities and or have them each suspended or terminated from their contracts.
A classic non-apology apology
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 12:51 ET by RpeggioLauer should be ashamed of himself for putting Gov. Palin on the spot, that interview should have focused on the inappropriateness of Letterman's joke, the weakness of his sarcastic non-apology that got laughs while he said it! And a discussion of why politician's kids shouldn't be 'fair game' as liberals so conveniently have been saying when it's a Republican in the cross-hairs.
And if Letterman was a real honest gentleman, he whould have simply said, solemnly and directly:
"Gov. Palin, the joke about your daughter, Willow or Bristol was out of line, out of bonds and of very poor taste and I sincerely apologize. Politician's families shouldn't be fair game and I made a mistake."
And if anyone in the audience laughed while he was sincerely apologizing, he should have told them to "please be quiet, this isn't a joke, I made an honest mistake."
It's like when someone says "I apologize if I offended anyone", vs. simply, "I was wrong, I apologize for what I said". Two completely different levels of sincerity and taking responsibility for what you said and did. I'm done with Letterman, and that's a shame.
I agree that it was in poor
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 12:53 ET by angelajoI agree that it was in poor taste.
No surprise here
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 13:12 ET by Blogger Guy00001No surprise that Matt Lauer, a darling of the left, would support another darling of the left, Letterman in his obscene comments against an innocent girl.
But then we know that the left is nothing but a sewer filled with waste, trash, and obscenity.
Lauer inserts himself as Letterman's buttboy.
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 13:32 ET by CTMatt Lauer circles around David Letterman to be the A**wipe to the No.1 CBS Asshat.
Lauer Got it Wrong
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 13:32 ET by steve2526Palin issued a statement refusing to appear on Letterman’s show
stating, “it would be wise to keep Willow away from David Letterman.”
Lauer asked, “Are you suggesting that David Letterman can't be trusted
around a 14-year-old girl ...Well is that not perhaps in bad taste
also, governor? If you're, you know, suggesting that a 62-year-old man
couldn't be trusted?”
Actually, Gov. Palin probably thinks “it would be wise to keep Willow away from David Letterman” because Willow would likely kick Loserman in his shrivelling left-wing stones.
A member of the right-wing media
Matt Lauer
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 16:27 ET by blazermaniacTypical NBC garbage! Lauer is just an Obama ass kisser! But, he and the rest of the loons would go berserk if someone had made a joke about Obama's kids. Typical double-standard. That's one of the resasons that NBC News is PATHETIC! Then again, Lauer hasn't been the same after he allegedly avoided a deer and lost control and fell off his bike. Somehow, it has affected his brain!
What's the difference
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 13:37 ET by mattmWhat's the difference between Letterman and the Today Show?
One tells lame, vulgar jokes, the other IS a lame vulgar joke.
Very Nice
Sat, 06/13/2009 - 04:55 ET by DoktorFrankenVery nice.
If Gov Palin would have
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 13:49 ET by JesseJacksonIVIf Gov Palin would have talked to her child about birth control, instead of the fairy tale idea of abstinence , Dave would never have had a reason to tell the joke in the first place.
And if A-Rod wasn't a
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 13:59 ET by balboaAnd if A-Rod wasn't a tremendous muscle-headed skirt-chaser. Let's not forget his regrettable role in all of this.
Why, Yes
Sat, 06/13/2009 - 05:02 ET by DoktorFrankenLet us not forget the REAL victims in this - David Letterman and lecherous old farts everywhere. Certainly Willow has set them all up with her diabolical Machiavellian scheme to ruin the career of a genius comedian in his waning years. Letterman is so fortunate to have such clever wordsmith turds to defend and/or deflate an indefensible position.
Please, share with us your
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 14:10 ET by SickofLibsPlease, share with us your secret of getting teenagers to take advice. You obviously do not have any of your own, or you would not have made such a stupid comment.
And if you have the secret to controlling antimatter, we would appreciate that, too.
There is no secret for
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 14:19 ET by JesseJacksonIVThere is no secret for getting them to take the advice, but it's better to at least talk to them about birth control instead of only talking abstinence.
How do you they ONLY
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 14:26 ET by SickofLibsHow do you they ONLY discussed abstinence?
Never heard the Palins talk
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 14:29 ET by JesseJacksonIVNever heard the Palins talk anything else.
→ You see, JJ
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 15:29 ET by Cool ArrowThat birds & bees talk is something your dad should have had with you.
Sorry about your circumstance, but parents do have that talk.
The only reason Clarence Thomas is on the Court is because he is black - Joe Biden
JJ
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 15:32 ET by well99Well I guess that means they couldnt of talked to her in a family setting since you didnt hear the discussion.So how old was Obama's mom when she had him?
I know I don't get to stop
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 16:35 ET by Gary P JacksonI know I don't get to stop by as often as I used to, but it seems like the quality of trolls has seriously declined!
Governor Palin has stated on numerous occasions that she believes in teaching sex ed in school, and of course believes in birth control. I don't have the exact quote at my fingertips, but basically she said she understands that all families aren't going to do a great job of teaching this at home and "someone has to do it".
As for abstinance, it works every time it's tried. It may be a tad unrealistic, but it is certainly the only absolutely foolproof method of birth control!
Her kid screwed up. Of course no other human in history ever has, so let's just shoot the whole family and be done with it!
By the way, little Barry Soetoro's mom was Bristol's age when she got pregnant. She too was not married, and even better, the father was ALREADY married to someone else! In fact, Obama Sr abandoned Barry and his mom to go back to his wife in Kenya!
I don't think you liberals really want to go into discussing family issues. It won't end very nicely.
And I haven't even got to little Barry's mentor in Hawaii, communist, Black Panther, and confessed pedophile, Frank Marshall Davis!
Trust me, this is NOT a debate you want to have!
Gary
Sat, 06/13/2009 - 05:07 ET by DoktorFrankenThank you for stopping by. I enjoyed your post immensely.
I am sitting back to listen to the 'crickets' chirping in retort.
Let's Place the Blame Where It Truly Belongs:
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 14:32 ET by Chris NormanIf Sarah Palin's mother had practiced birth control, Sarah Palin wouldn't have been born and never would have had children for David Letterman to trash on national television. So, I guess we can lay the blame for this joke at least as far back as a couple of generations of Palins instead of that poor innocent David Letterman..
The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.
Was Sarah Palins mom a teen
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 14:35 ET by JesseJacksonIVWas Sarah Palins mom a teen who got pregnant, like Bristol was.
Does it matter? Apparently
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 14:39 ET by Chris NormanDoes it matter? Apparently ugly jokes are actually caused by the subject person merely existing and are not the fault of the person telling the jokes. Carried forward, this might be adapted as a defense in rape trials - "She was asking for it...". Oh, yeah - it already was tried and rejected.
The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.
No. You're thinking of
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 18:57 ET by SickofLibsNo. You're thinking of Obama's mom.
Abstinence is birth
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 15:26 ET by QueenMumAbstinence is birth control. What's the problem?
Edited to add: And why should we have so little respect for young people that we should call abstinence a "fairy tale" solution? Is this the way the dialogue should go?:
"You're getting to an age now where you'll feel pressured to have sex. The good news is that by using the right sort of birth control you can go ahead and have sex without worrying about whether or not someone gets pregnant. Don't believe all that nonsense about abstinence. We know it's impossible that you be expected to exert or expect any sort of self-control."
How does this sort of attitude empower young people?
(Since this comment has the potential to derail the discussion, I'll not respond further. Further discussion likely will belong in the Woodshed.)
"All people are born alike - except Republicans and Democrats." - Groucho Marx
JJ4, If your statement
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 15:30 ET by JerryJJ4,
If your statement had any relevance whatsoever, then Dave would be telling killer jokes about his own wife, who also had a child out of wedlock.
Letterman: "I went to a Yankee's game last night and my wife got knocked up by A-Rod during the 7th inning stretch."... "You know, I always wondered why my kid was so athletic and not a dork like me."
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
OK, Jerry, that's 10X better
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 15:47 ET by SickofLibsOK, Jerry, that's 10X better than the original!
(However, having seen photos of Letterman's wife, I would have to say I think Letterman would have to be the only man in the world that would go "there". That's just a joke, Dave, in case you're listening in.)
Hey Dave!
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 14:39 ET by 76UnitedWWJCD
(What Would Johnny Carson Do?)
I hope to God Sarah runs
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 14:48 ET by BrianBuckI hope to God Sarah runs and defeats Obama in 2012. Just to see the depths Letterman, Lauer and their bigoted ilk will sink to. Hell, Olbermann will probably have an emotional breakdown on live TV.
"Does Dirk Richters' ghost huant the bordello where his bullet riddled body was found?"-Bart Simpson
Was Letterman bigoted for
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 14:53 ET by JesseJacksonIVWas Letterman bigoted for the 8 years he made jokes about Bill and Hillary?
Nice try - did he
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 15:00 ET by Chris NormanNice try - did he makecrude jokes about Chelsea?
The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.
→ GMTA Chris
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 15:04 ET by Cool ArrowI don't even remember Letterman pointing out the hypocrisy of Jesse Jackson trying to talk his mistress into getting an abortion, do you?
The only reason Clarence Thomas is on the Court is because he is black - Joe Biden
Nope, that would have been
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 15:18 ET by Chris NormanNope, that would have been in poor taste apparently.
The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.
Did Chelsea get knocked out
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 15:10 ET by JesseJacksonIVDid Chelsea get knocked out like Bristol did?
→ Who knows JJ
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 15:15 ET by Cool ArrowHow the heck would we know if Chelsea got knocked [sic] out?
The only reason Clarence Thomas is on the Court is because he is black - Joe Biden
Cmon Cool. Surely you know
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 18:59 ET by SickofLibsCmon Cool. Surely you know "Million Dollar Baby" was based on the Chelsea Clinton story.
I cannot believe that any
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 15:35 ET by Chris NormanI cannot believe that any human being, like you, in this day and age, would suggest that a girl, who has done nothing malicious, but merely has a famous mother and who got pregnant out of wedlock, is a justifiable subject for crude sexual jokes on national television. I can't believe civilalization has sunk this far.
The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.
we've evolved into snivelization
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 15:50 ET by SickofLibsThat's the Jacksons for ya.
JJIV
Sat, 06/13/2009 - 05:13 ET by DoktorFrankenRegarding:
Did Chelsea get knocked out
June 12, 2009 - 16:10 ET by JesseJacksonIV
Did Chelsea get knocked out like Bristol did?
Did your parents drop you on your head repeatly to try and knock the stupid out of you? Dude, you'll have to try a lot harder than that to make any kind of an argumentative position. Unless you're just trying to be a turd - then you're doing just fine.
→ JJ
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 15:00 ET by Cool ArrowYou're going to have to be more specific as to the jokes he made about Chelsea.
Link please?
The only reason Clarence Thomas is on the Court is because he is black - Joe Biden
CA, These guys are
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 15:02 ET by Chris NormanCA,
These guys are working overtime trying to confuse the issue. Too bad it for them that their attempts are so pathetic and lame.
The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.
→ Chris
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 15:26 ET by Cool ArrowI'm trying to be kind to JJ. His mom didn't have any kids that lived.
The only reason Clarence Thomas is on the Court is because he is black - Joe Biden
Had Chelsea been pregnant
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 15:22 ET by JesseJacksonIVHad Chelsea been pregnant or a party girl like the Bush twins, perhaps jokes would have been amde about her.
Thirty years ago, comics were doing Amy Carter jokes. Her dads a Liberal right? Before he died JFK jr had jokes done about him.
It's not some conspiracy to attack Conservative Palin and her family.
→ You missed it JJ
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 15:25 ET by Cool ArrowThere were pictures of Chelsea in Europe, drunk.
I don't remember any of us getting a good guffaw out of it.
That you weren't aware of the pics is further proof of the double standard you are attempting to defend as nonexistent.
The only reason Clarence Thomas is on the Court is because he is black - Joe Biden
Actually, the jokes were
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 15:42 ET by BDActually, the jokes were nver ABOUT Chelsea or Amy Carter. rather the but of the jokes were the peripheral people.
Th eonly one I recall involving Amy Carter indicated she was playing in her treehouse in the White House back yard when a policy wonk from the administation stopped by to check the thermostat to keep it below 65 degrees.
That was not a shot at the daughter, but rather a good natured rub at the father.
THATS IT!
Bush party girls?
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 19:02 ET by SickofLibsOh please. The Bush girls got nailed drinking underage in clubs a couple times.
Hardly Lindsay Lohan or Paris Hilton stuff.
tired of liberal lies So
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 23:52 ET by stunnedtired of liberal lies
So what's the excuse for the jokes about Trig a baby with downs syndrome or her other six year old daughter?
Take ten paces, turn and fire.
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 14:51 ET by Iowa BoyThere was a time when a statement such the one Mr. Letterman made would have been answered with a challenge from the agreived party's brother or father. Which is why statements of the kind Mr. Letterman made were quite rare.
Say something similar about my wife or daughters and I guaran-damn-tee that you will deal with me. I may be in a wheelchair but I can still kick some ass.
Accountability keeps the civil society civil.
"Our liberties we prize and our rights we will maintain." Official Motto of the State of Iowa
I agree. we hav elost
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 15:47 ET by BDI agree. we hav elost something in our society when personal actions do not end in personal consequense.
Instead of a contributing to a good ass kicking, most of America sends that over bred class of parasite - the lawyer.
We were better off as a society when we administered justice informally.
it has been so easy-
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 15:09 ET by JIMMY1660not watching any of the NBC channels-programs.Matt Lauer-comments make that decision even smarter on my part. turn off NBC-Turn off NBC sponsors-you will be surprised how your little act has impact.
BHO- THE PROGRESSIVE PIRATE
NBC, MSNBC and CNBC do
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 16:29 ET by buddycNBC, MSNBC and CNBC do NOTexist on any of my televisions. They are blocked. It is difficult because I miss some sporting events I enjoy but I still do it.
99% Boycott.
Sat, 06/13/2009 - 13:26 ET by blazermaniacI had to watch the Penguins-Red Wings game seven last night. Couldn't get a "Hockey Night in Canada" feed. Other than a few sporting events, (Sunday Night Football, NHL, US Open Golf, Wimbledon & an occasional Notre Dame game), I never watch that NBC crap.
In the same boat
Sat, 06/13/2009 - 11:00 ET by doug1950I don't watch any of the alphabet channels and haven't for years. It is mostly garbage and reality stuff (I know, that is redundant). The number of TV shows I do watch on cable can be counted on one hand. You would be amazed at how much work and other things you can do when you cut out the BS in your life. If everyone just simply shut the damn thing off and the Neilsens ratings showed a huge drop in viewers someone would finally notice and do something. Too many today are waiting for someone else to do something, kind of like when things go south, people say...The government ought to do something about that. Look where that has gotten us.
Wow ! Anyone see Yahoos
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 15:45 ET by BlazerWow ! Anyone see Yahoos edited version of this interview on their front page making Palin look stupid and on the defense ?
The state run media is in full spin mode.
"Awkward Palin Interview
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
Blazer: I noticed that and
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 16:02 ET by QueenMumBlazer: I noticed that and had the same thought.
"All people are born alike - except Republicans and Democrats." - Groucho Marx
Blazer: I noticed that and
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 16:22 ET by BlazerBlazer: I noticed that and had the same thought.
I messaged Noel with the link, hopefully he'll expose them with a write up. That crap can't go unanswered.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
It is good for Palin to get
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 16:27 ET by buddycIt is good for Palin to get experience in dealing with a hostile prostitute like Lauer. She has improved a great deal since the election. She really outclassed him in every regard. Althought Lauer was weak trying to defend Letterman it will still serve her well as her political education continues.
What is Lauer really saying about 62-yr-old men?
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 16:33 ET by carolina09Does Matt have any kids? Maybe we should make crude jokes about them...Matt says it's OK.
real job....
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 16:43 ET by John WIMaybe it's time that Matt quit hanging with the ladies on the set, and go out and get a job, where physical activity is required........like construction, or working the docks.......or Anything.
He sounds like some sissy little boy, trying to defend Lettermen from a GIRL.
Any male newscaster that tries to defend Lettermen........is going to take a HUGE chunk out of their credibility.
I think you are on the wrong track.....
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 16:53 ET by pantrymanlooking at her comment that way.....
Sarah Palin surely knows her daughter Willow better than anyone... perhaps she was saying that Letterboy would be the loser if the two ever came in contact. I can envision Willow cutting Letterboy a new one with a sharp stick...but then with Letterboy being such a total a-hole that he is, where would you start to poke the stick???
You're right. She was thinking her daughter should stay away...
Sat, 06/13/2009 - 03:42 ET by jawebster1from Letterman for Letterman's safety sakes. She might have been afraid her daughter would have straightened out the only funny part about him...his buck teeth and his stupid looking face. Jim Webster
Matt just proved her point
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 17:51 ET by ohiogirlBy her statement “it would be wise to keep Willow away from David Letterman.” Matt's mind went directly to a sexual rebutal question. She could have meant she didn't want her daughter around Letterman because he insulted her and would be a bad influence.
Let's see how Matt would respond if a "comedian" in front of millions of people referenced his daughter being knocked-up!
Letterman= Imus
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 17:55 ET by Redrowan2000Letterman is no longer an entertainer , he is a meanspirited shill for the left and will wind up on the politically correct junk heap when he thinks that he is so cool he will insult someone on the left who won't think that he is all that brilliant and funny. Then here comes Sharpton etal
"Don't let the bastards grind you down.
Red
Letterman.
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 18:13 ET by HeAdShultzAndrea Mitchell said earlier today, Palin keeps Leterman/Palin fued going. Palin has never started it, only recently responded to an attack on her family. There is no feud, just uglyass Dave. Letterman should be fired. His jokes were worse than the Nappy Headed Hoe's comment from Imus.
Mitchell, aka Imhotep IV
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 19:06 ET by SickofLibsWhat do reanimated mummies know about 21st century relationships?
Now if Letterman had just apologized like a man...
→ Lauer is our friend
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 22:45 ET by Cool ArrowAfter watching Lauer's interview of Palin, I think he may have left a lot of his viewers wondering how he could fail to understand a mother protecting her daughter.
Lauer couldn't help himself, I know. But his selective misogyny shone through in a way that Letterman's may not have.
Different audiences, I guess.
The only reason Clarence Thomas is on the Court is because he is black - Joe Biden
tired of liberal lies The
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 23:55 ET by stunnedtired of liberal lies
The next time a reporter asks a Republican to condemn a comment by Limbaugh or Hannity they should ask how many Democrats did you ask to condemn Letterman for his sexist jokes about Sarah and Willow. No more throwing Republicans under the bus to suck up to the MSM.
What the hell is wrong with
Sat, 06/13/2009 - 00:17 ET by RogerCfromSDWhat the hell is wrong with Matt Lauer? HE was being rude and distasteful.
I know he's a tool but his demeanor toward Gov. Palin, and his line of question ing made it seem like SHE did something wrong.
A nation cannot be free without a free, unbiased media. We are not free.
J.J. & the rest of the Letterbots
Sat, 06/13/2009 - 03:35 ET by AMR1960I refuse to buy into the lie that Letterman did not intend to target Willow with the pregnancy joke. Letterman was not some disinterested comic that was parroting a line given to him. He's been at war with the Palins since day one. Lettermans been obsessed with Sarah & her family--Mentioning them countless times. His anger and dislike for the Palins is demonstrably & pathologically unhinged.
Details surrounding the New York visit--Letterman's home turf, were certain to be a centerpiece for his anger to focus on. Letterman went after that child because he's been bent angry over the fact that he can't lay a glove on the Mother. Consequently, we were all given a glimpse, of how wretched, vulgar, & debauched is the soul that putrefies in that angry Liberals heart...
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Maybe Lauer and Letterman should find...
Sat, 06/13/2009 - 03:14 ET by jawebster1a room together. To defend Letterman in this instance and to twist the circumstances to make Palin look bad, should earn Lauer a slobbering kiss from Letterman. A lot of women watch these shows, but if any of them who watch are Conservative after this episode, I'll be sorely disappointed. Jim Webster
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Sat, 06/13/2009 - 04:00 ET by DoktorFrankenI have not read one remark/post on this thread yet so if this is just like someone else's post I apologize in advance.
I am sick of the morally retarded dregs of our human race that think that what David Letterman did was 'humor' or 'a joke' of any kind. Anyone with that stance is the smelliest POS that there ever was. It shows exactly what that 'person' is inside - barren of any common sense or decency. It is a totally indefensable argument.
What David Letterman did was pure HATRED directed with vicious intention to cause extreme harm to a completely innocent young 14 year old girl to attack Governor Palin. I saw the video. He commented on the game they, Sarah and Willow, were attending. The remark (which I won't even relate here) was intentionally aimed at Willow. Those 'geniuses' at the Letterman show knew this and made this attack with a purpose.
Clever little turds here may try and derail threads like these and change the heart of the issue with Leftist BS, redirection, framing the argument in the wrong way, or just - LIKE LETTERMAN himself - just piss around with everyone out of hatred. Screw all of you and your ilk. You will never be treated - by me - as anything more than what you really are.
Sometimes, words do matter. And the intention behind them mean much more.
Thanks
Sat, 06/13/2009 - 05:04 ET by jackssnI agree with you post 100%. If anyone had made those comments about my daughter he had better have a body guard (and this is from a 64 year old fart)
Trash
Sat, 06/13/2009 - 10:01 ET by Blogger Guy00001Letterman is a piece of trash for saying what he said. Lauer has decided to show the world that he too is a piece of trash by defending Letterman.
Not really surprising given
Sat, 06/13/2009 - 12:07 ET by wiwfNot really surprising given that it's Matt Lauer
The Rocky Mountain Collegian: Illustrating Idiocy
The Today show
Sat, 06/13/2009 - 12:17 ET by rpeeler42I stopped watching the Today show about seven years ago because the show had turned into a left wing piece of garbage. Matt Lauer and Katie Couric ruined the show. Somebody needs to clean house at NBC. Immelt has ruined GE and NBC and the GE board of directors need to be held accountable for the demise of a good company.
Out of curiosity...
Sat, 06/13/2009 - 12:31 ET by gopcongressWhere is Alex Rodriguez in this entire account? If I were him I would be even MORE vociferous on being joked about in a way that would make him a pervert. It's one thing to make light of a celebrity's sex life (re: Madonna), but it's another thing entirely to make a joke about knocking up an underage minor. Remember, Bristol Palin was SEVENTEEN when she had her kid; everyone here can do the math. But MOST people associated the joke with her FOURTEEN old daughter, despite his lame excuse.
I am no longer following late night television, other than for Fergeson's monologues. (Frankly, I hope that NBC is secretly assessing him for potential replacement of a very spastic Conan).
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Define "most."
Mon, 06/15/2009 - 15:24 ET by balboaDefine "most."
Is binky braveheart, aka JasonC capable of telling the truth?
Tue, 06/23/2009 - 03:38 ET by JWFJasonC: By positioning herself as a national spokeswoman for abstinence and abstinence-only education - despite displaying an alarming ignorance concerning the topic - Bristol Palin positions herself as a public figure. Criticism and satire alike become fair game.
National spokeswoman for abstinence? Here is the truth -
She signed on as Abstinence Ambassador for the Candies Foundation. The Candies Foundation? Anyone ever hear of that? Neither have I. From their website* -
Anything in there about national spokeswoman for abstinence?
I must have missed all of the Letterman jokes about those women having sex with baseball players then getting defended by JasonC here. Anyone else see them?
So Bristol Palin makes a few appearances on some morning talk shows after accepting Abstinence Ambassador for the Candies Foundation. This is the entire extent of her public persona. This, this makes her fair game for Criticism and satire alike? Pshaw, maybe in binky braveheart's world. The rest of us? Yea, not so much.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
* http://www.candiesfoundation.org/