60 Minutes Promotes Washington’s 1098 Income Tax Initiative, Stahl Hails Stockman as ‘Brave’ for Wanting Tax Hikes
Barely 36 hours before Washington State voters go to the polls, CBS News aired a 14-minute unregulated in-kind campaign expenditure on behalf of “Yes on 1098" and its chief cheerleader, Bill Gates Sr, sandwiched by Lesley Stahl hailing rogue Reagan adviser David Stockman as “brave” for advocating the end to the Bush tax rates and imposition of a 15 percent national income surtax. Stahl trumpeted:
One Republican brave enough to go public is David Stockman, President Reagan's budget director. He says all the Bush tax cuts should be eliminated -- even those on the middle class. And he says his own Republican Party has gone too far with its anti-tax religion.
She segued to how “many of the states are in the same boat, facing huge deficits with few prospects for cutting, which is why Washington State is joining the movement across the country to tax the rich,” championing how “Bill Gates Sr., has poured his own money into backing Initiative 1098. The tax would bring in $3 billion a year, to be spent mainly on education, which has suffered cutbacks as the state reels under a massive deficit.”
Serving as little more than a propagandist, Stahl played a naif who recognizes the reasonableness of the proposed new tax:
STAHL TO BILL GATES SR: Let's say a couple earns $500,000. How much do you think they'll have to pay?
BILL GATES SR: Well, they would pay $5,000, because that's five percent of the $100,000 on which they would pay.
STAHL: Oh, they would only pay on $100,000. They're exempt up to the $400,000. So they'd only pay on $100,000.
GATES SR: Precisely.
STAHL: Well, that's not very much-
GATES SR: Precisely.
STAHL: -if you earn that kind of money.
GATES SR: Precisely.
Stahl proceeded to discredit those opposed to Gates. Confronting a businessman who says he may have to move his employees to another state, Stahl countered: “Okay, four out of the six have income taxes. I mean I've heard a lot of businessmen say what you're saying. And I keep wondering, ‘Well, where are they going to move if they leave?’”
Stahl also insisted “the state budget has already been cut by $5 billion, and the Governor, Christine Gregoire, says they're at the bone.” Gregoire, a liberal Democrat, employed the usual scare tactics: “To cut people off hospice I think is immoral. To cut children off health care, to cut their education so they don't have a chance at a decent future, I think that would result in an immoral budget.”
Returning to Stockman at the end of her story, Stahl let him advocate for a 15 percent surtax, but then she fretted:
The antipathy to raising taxes or making any real spending cuts, whether in Washington D.C. or Washington State, is so intense, Stockman despairs that when Congress returns after the election, they'll do what they often do: nothing.
Excerpts from the advocacy piece on the October 31 60 Minutes (online version):
LESLEY STAHL: When Congress returns after the elections on Tuesday, it’ll face one of the most hotly debated issues in the campaign: raising taxes on the rich. That's President Obama's position -- to keep the Bush tax cuts in place, except for those on the wealthiest two percent – as a way to reduce the dreaded deficit.
It's an idea already percolating among the governors. Eight states have increased so-called “millionaire” income taxes so far, as a way of avoiding drastic budget cuts on health and education. And on Tuesday, voters could make Washington State the ninth. But with our national debt in the trillions, budget experts will tell you that just taxing the rich isn't enough.
One Republican brave enough to go public is David Stockman, President Reagan's budget director. He says all the Bush tax cuts should be eliminated -- even those on the middle class. And he says his own Republican Party has gone too far with its anti-tax religion.
STAHL TO STOCKMAN: “Tax cutting is a religion.” What do you mean by that?
DAVID STOCKMAN: Well it's become in a sense an absolute. Something that can't be questioned, something that's gospel, something that's sort of embedded into the catechism and so scratch the average Republican today and he'll say “Tax cuts, tax cuts, tax cuts.” It's rank demagoguery. We should call it for what it is. If these people were all put into a room on penalty of death to come up with how much they could cut, they couldn't come up with $50 billion, when the problem is $1.3 trillion. So, to stand before the public and rub raw this anti-tax sentiment. The Republican Party, as much as it pains me to say this, should be ashamed of themselves.
STAHL: This, from Ronald Reagan's old budget director, architect of the largest tax cut in American history. But he doesn't let the Democrats off the hook. He says he cringes when he hears the President say things like this:
PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: I believe we ought to make the tax cuts for the middle class permanent.
STOCKMANL We have now got both parties essentially telling a big lie. With a capital 'B' and a capital 'L' to the public: and that is that we can have all this government, 24 percent of GDP, this huge entitlement program, all of the bailouts. And yet, we don't have to tax ourselves and pay our bills. That’s delusional.
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STAHL: Many of the states are in the same boat, facing huge deficits with few prospects for cutting, which is why Washington State is joining the movement across the country to tax the rich. On Tuesday, voters will decide on Initiative 1098 that would create a income tax, but only on the wealthy, of whom there are many: 133,000 millionaires and seven billionaires, including Bill Gates of Microsoft.
His father, Bill Gates Sr., has poured his own money into backing Initiative 1098. The tax would bring in $3 billion a year, to be spent mainly on education, which has suffered cutbacks as the state reels under a massive deficit.
BILL GATES SR, IN A POOL: Vote yes on 1098, it’s good for Washington.
STAHL: Washington is one of only seven states without any income tax. The proposal would create a five percent rate on income over $200,000 for individuals and $400,000 for couples; a nine percent rate kicks in at half a million dollars on individuals and a million for couples.
STAHL TO GATES: Let's say a couple earns $500,000. How much do you think they'll have to pay?
BILL GATES SR: Well, they would pay $5,000, because that's five percent of the $100,000 on which they would pay.
STAHL: Oh, they would only pay on $100,000. They're exempt up to the $400,000. So they'd only pay on $100,000.
GATES SR: Precisely.
STAHL: Well, that's not very much-
GATES SR: Precisely.
STAHL: -if you earn that kind of money.
GATES SR: Precisely.
STAHL: His son Bill is on his side along with the public employees' unions. The other side is a who's who of the state's big businesses: Boeing, Amazon and even Microsoft. Bill Gates is still chairman, but Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer opposes the initiative, which is why they're calling this the battle of the billionaires.
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GATES SR: The fact of the matter is there are 43 states in this country that have a state income tax. And in those states, the Microsofts or the ABCs, whatever, have not fled the state. I mean, it's just a gross exaggeration..
STAHL: But entrepreneur Bryan Mistele begs to disagree.
BRYAN MISTELE: This initiative really is a nail in the coffin of small businesses and start ups in our state. It really impacts the tech community very heavily.
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STAHL: Mistele is the CEO of Inrix, a software company that monitors traffic around the world and provides data for GPS systems and sites like MapQuest. He says businesses would leave the state, especially high-tech companies like his that deal in data and aren't tied down by factories or assembly lines. He’d consider moving some of his 60 employees to other states where he has offices.
STHAL TO MISTELE: What other states?
MISTELE: Massachusetts, Florida, California.
STAHL: Massachusetts, income tax. Go ahead. California income tax.
MISTELE: Texas, Florida, Michigan, Colorado.
STAHL: Okay, four out of the six have income taxes. I mean I've heard a lot of businessmen say what you're saying. And I keep wondering, “Well, where are they going to move if they leave?”
MISTELE: Well, each state has its own competitive advantages. So by adding this additional burden, it makes us much less attractive.
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STAHL: The state budget has already been cut by $5 billion, and the Governor, Christine Gregoire, says they're at the bone.
GOVERNOR CHRISTINE GREGOIRE: To cut people off hospice I think is immoral. To cut children off health care, to cut their education so they don't have a chance at a decent future, I think that would result in an immoral budget.
STAHL: She says she doesn't understand why so many of the state's high-tech CEOs, who are always complaining about the woeful state of American education, are so opposed to paying this tax for schools
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STAHL, ON STOCKMAN: He says there should be a one-time 15 percent surtax on the wealthy that he estimates would cut the national debt in half.
STOCKMAN: In 1985, the top five percent of the households, wealthiest five percent, had net worth of $8 trillion, which is a lot. Today, after serial bubble after serial bubble, the top five percent have net worth of $40 trillion.
STAHL: Oh my God.
STOCKMAN: The top five percent have gained more wealth than the whole human race had created prior to 1980.
STAHL: Of course it would never pass. There's the rub.
STOCKMAN: There's the rub.
STAHL: The antipathy to raising taxes or making any real spending cuts, whether in Washington D.C. or Washington State, is so intense, Stockman despairs that when Congress returns after the election, they'll do what they often do: nothing.
STAHL: I remember that great expression, “Let's kick the can down the road,” that became kind of the mantra.
STOCKMAN: Yeah, and it still is today.
STAHL: Just kick it down the road. We'll solve it tomorrow.
STOCKMAN: Kicking the can down the road, except it's no longer a can. It's a giant junkyard.
— Brent Baker is Vice President for Research and Publications at the Media Research Center. Click here to follow him on Twitter.
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STAHL TO BILL GATES SR: Let's say a couple earns $500,000. How much do you think they'll have to pay?
LESLEY STAHL: When Congress returns after the elections on Tuesday, it’ll face one of the most hotly debated issues in the campaign: raising taxes on the rich. That's President Obama's position -- to keep the Bush tax cuts in place, except for those on the wealthiest two percent – as a way to reduce the dreaded deficit.
STAHL: This, from Ronald Reagan's old budget director, architect of the largest tax cut in American history. But he doesn't let the Democrats off the hook. He says he cringes when he hears the President say things like this:
BILL GATES SR, IN A POOL: Vote yes on 1098, it’s good for Washington.
STAHL: The state budget has already been cut by $5 billion, and the Governor, Christine Gregoire, says they're at the bone.









Comments
David Stockman is the kind of
Submitted by Chris Norman on Mon, 11/01/2010 - 12:29am.
David Stockman is one of those useful idiot Republicans - the kind who pop up ever so often for the liberal media to adore. Didn't Ronald Reagan have to take him "out to the woodshed" for being a rogue?
By the way, my fantasy is to see a harsh new income tax on ditzy liberal media types like Leslie Stahl and uber-rich liberals - like Gates, Soros, and Buffet who advocate higher taxes on other people. If they are so enamored with higher taxes, let them be the first and most generous to pay.
Collapse under Communism
Submitted by Thoreau on Mon, 11/01/2010 - 5:22am.
You notice when you ask these liberal dbags to cut a check if they want to pay more taxes, you hear complete silence?
They are scum. They are liars. They are evil. Bravery would be to cut spending on entitlement programs and unConstiutional Agencies. Which would be 80% of our Federal spending.
When you are broke, the first thing you do is cut back on spending. The second is bust ass to get a job/another job. They know this. They just don't care. It's about control over the population by a massive government overlord. It has nothing to do with sustainability or upholding the law.
I would like to see a
Submitted by DontFeedTheTrolls on Mon, 11/01/2010 - 5:30am.
I would like to see a Republican with guts write a bill that would tax any artist, actor, film-maker, writer, journalist, TV talking head, documentarian, etc., i.e., all the typical leftists who call for higher taxes, at a rate of 99% of any income over $2,500,000. The lawmaker would then have to state, very publically, point by point, how much revenue it would generate, how it would help the poor, the children, the elderly, the sick, the wounded and that anyone who was against it was just plain anti-American, not to mention greedy. It could be called the Hollywood Helps Bill.
STAHL: Well, that's not very
Submitted by motherbelt on Mon, 11/01/2010 - 7:55am.
STAHL: Well, that's not very much-GATES SR: Precisely.
STAHL: -if you earn that kind of money.
GATES SR: Precisely.
[Well, as our esteemed president said: At some point, you've made enough money.]
Heck, they won't even miss it! Why NOT take it from them?
Oh, yeah, and by all means, pour it into that sinkhole called "public education." That'll fix the education system!
<snort>
(edited for spelling)
Huge deficits
Submitted by GregE on Mon, 11/01/2010 - 12:25am.
Caused by government. Cut the spending, reduce entitlements, get out of my life. The End.
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End of Liberty - http://inflation.us/videos.html
GregE---
Submitted by matthewdean on Mon, 11/01/2010 - 12:54am.
17 words in your post.
Short post, but absolutely beautiful.
MD
Cutting education
Submitted by KC Mulville on Mon, 11/01/2010 - 12:34am.
No.
Spending and support are two different things.
We supported education before, and spent a lot less doing it. We obviously ask where all that extra money went to. As it turns out, studies show that our kids are falling behind in all kinds of ways, but we're spending more money.
So when the governor says that if we don't spend more, we're "cutting" education, she's being disingenuous. All she's telling you is that she's threatened by any decrease in the money coming into the system.
Funny. When new money comes into the system, they channel it to pet projects. When the money slows down, they threaten you that they'll have to cut cops and firemen. Why not cut the pork projects first?
You cannot multiply government spending and then claim that the people have to pay more taxes to pay for it, especially when the people didn't want the extra spending in the first place. Politicians are simply going into the restaurant, telling everyone that dinner is free, but then sticking the bill on us and saying, "you have to pay for it, we promised."
Is Stahl a registered
Submitted by MidAmerica on Mon, 11/01/2010 - 12:43am.
Is Stahl a registered lobbyist or a political spokesperson? What's presented here is not reporting or journalism.
"They couldn't come up with
Submitted by trak65 on Mon, 11/01/2010 - 1:31am.
"They couldn't come up with $50 billion..."
I can almost forgive Stockman for what is perhaps his real point -- that spending cuts have not happened. But the trillion-dollar deficits have been recent, and based on things that could be made non-recurring. We can cut a few hundred billion in unspent stimulus. We can scale back new healthcare spending. War costs should come down given the de facto victory in Iraq. Medicare and social security are hard -- but they can be reined in with lower (no?) inflation assumptions, some means testing.
History shows that locking in pro-growth policies brings the revenue rolling in. It increases employment, cuts the need for welfare and medicaid -- dynamic-scoring spending cuts.
The left's "teachers and firemen first" scare tactics are reprehensible.
Well, OK, I'll bite. Gates,
Submitted by jdhawk on Mon, 11/01/2010 - 1:39am.
Well, OK, I'll bite. Gates, Jr., if you think that more money ought to go into government coffers, then go ahead. Write a check for $40 billion right now and send it to the U.S. Treasury.
Instead, Gates, Jr. is sheltering his buckos big time by putting it into a foundation. And, where has that money gone to? The foundation spent some $2 billion dollars so far on a U.S. public schools and Gates is sadly disappointed that it made little difference in student outcomes. What he did "learn" is that teacher experience doesn't predict great teachers nor do graduate degrees. Nevetheless, Gates refuses to admonish the unions that demand that schools pay extra for just those very items. Geez - it took $2 billion dollars to "learn" that? I like to sneer and say he is a chump, but compared to what we have spent collectively as taxpayers on education, it is chump change.
So, Gates, just write the check to the treasury. You're bumbling it anyway and we could surely use the money.
Note, that the above discussion and that of 60 minutes was bereft of spending cuts ideas.
But, that is really the crux of the matter.
The huge maw that are, collectively, local, state, and federal governments don't know how to not spend and in huge amounts.
And, no one is talking about what we already owe. It is an amount that is so huge that our great-great-great-grandkids will still be paying on it.
By the way, 60 minutes sucks.
I say to all the people who
Submitted by Dan The Man 2 on Mon, 11/01/2010 - 2:13am.
I say to all the people who want to leave Washington, y'all come on down to God's country ... its called Texas. We might even give ya some tax breaks for some businesses y'all bring with ya. No personal income tax and low corporate taxes. Texas is easy on business. Ohh yeah we don't cotton to unions here.
Billionaires who want higher taxes.
Submitted by Phryj1 on Mon, 11/01/2010 - 2:38am.
The thing is, there's nothing stopping them from giving more of their money to the government. If they're so concerned, why don't they just cut the government a check? In fact, George W. Bush actually pointed this out. And they said he was stupid...
Progressives seem to be completely averse to facts and logic. Apparently, reality has a conservative bias.
Oh, yeah, that'll happen
Submitted by motherbelt on Mon, 11/01/2010 - 6:48am.
Bill Gates Sr. helped create Initiative 1098 because he knows Washington's middle-class families are struggling and the wealthiest need to start paying their share. I-1098 dedicates $2 billion per year for education and health care, cuts state property taxes 20 percent, eliminates B&O taxes for small businesses, and guarantees only the wealthiest 1.2% pay more.
When was the last time a state CUT or elimiated any one tax when a new tax was added?
And, of course, the answer to the question of how much tax the wealthy should pay is always "More."
Stahl never questions Gates about concern in the state that in a couple of years this state income tax will be expanded to everyone.
From the Seattle Times "Truth Needle" which examined advertising on the law:
I-1098 opponents maintain state lawmakers would be unable to resist applying an income tax to everyone in the state.
"We believe in two years this is going to be pushed out on everybody," Mark Funk, a spokesman for the no campaign, said in an interview.
But that would never happen, right?
Nah.
Insane, not "brave"
Submitted by spepper on Mon, 11/01/2010 - 7:35am.
Dear Leslie:
It's not "brave" to support a tax hike during a depression-- it's INSANE!
But inside the bubble of insanity known as "lamestream media", it would seem like such a great idea........
It is always brave to raise taxes.
Submitted by Red Jeep on Mon, 11/01/2010 - 8:07am.
It is NEVER brave to cut spending.
For the first time in my life I am in favor of one new tax. We need a new law to tax Lesley Stahl and Bill Gates Sr. and Jr. at 100%. They got their stash. They don't need anymore and we require them to work with fines for not earning anything in case they decide to retire.
Someone should ask.....
Submitted by dirtydan64 on Mon, 11/01/2010 - 9:03am.
Those who back this intitive if they all check that little box on there Tax Returns that they wish to pay in extra on there respective INcome Tax of there own free will or are they just schilling for there President that as long as everyone has to pay it then I will to but don't ask me to give anything extra if the rest of America doesn't !!! It's the Spending you Idiot's !!!
I'm sure Texas and Oklahoma
Submitted by eaglewingz08 on Mon, 11/01/2010 - 1:25pm.
I'm sure Texas and Oklahoma and Florida and other low tax states will welcome the exodus of the 'rich' from Washington State. Also, if Bill Gates is so into government taxes why did he tie up a lot of his fortune in tax free foundations? Hypocrite. Just like Warren Buffet who did the same thing. The two of them should give more than fifty percent of their assets (after dissolving their foundations and receiving back those assets) to the feds since Washington apparently knows better than the citizenry how to spend their hard earned money.
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