After Discrediting McCain, Williams Again Cozies Up to Obama

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A week after NBC's Brian Williams spent his time with John McCain and Sarah Palin in Ohio discrediting the accuracy of their claims and pushing for assurance their campaign wouldn't mention Jeremiah Wright, Williams on Thursday night in Florida returned to the same cozy approach with Barack Obama, though without the memories of mom, he employed in earlier interviews with the Democratic candidate. After declaring Obama's campaign is “fueled by the urgent fight to fix the economy,” Williams cited fresh bad economic news before cuing up Obama: “How do you tailor your message to this crowd? Is there more pain before there's a gain?”

His other three questions in the first excerpt run on Thursday's NBC Nightly News (with more to come Friday night) also didn't challenge any of Obama's claims or attacks, nor raise any detracting information: “Why did it take so long for Bill Clinton to join you for a rally like the one we saw here in Florida last night?” Then two questions which seemed to presume Obama will soon take office: “Does America need American car companies? Is three too many? Two too few? And on top of the billions already spent, what's it worth to you, if the answer is yes?” And lastly, a long question about litmus tests for Supreme Court nominees and if you don't apply one “how then do you also avoid surprises?”

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(ABC's Charles Gibson managed to raise a broken Obama promise, as he set up a brief interview excerpt on Thursday's World News:

Last night's broadcast of Barack Obama's 30-minute infomercial, that was on three networks and four cable outlets, it drew an audience of more than33 million viewers. The ad reportedly cost $3 million, and I asked Obama yesterday when we spoke whether he was able to afford that ad because he broke his promise to take public campaign financing.)

In contrast to how Williams treated Obama, last week with McCain and Palin he hit them with hostile questions, such as:

♦ Did this campaign get out of your control? And here's what I mean: A lot of people who know you well saw you take that microphone from that woman in Wisconsin and for the first time in a long time they said, "there, that's John McCain."

♦ You mention Senator Biden's comment the other day about, a new President and a test of the new President's mettle, one of your very closest friends in the Senate, Joe Lieberman said on Face the Nation quote, "our enemies will test the new President early. And it has happened throughout modern history."...When he says the new President will be tested, though, I'm missing how that's different from Senator Lieberman saying quote "our enemies will test the new President early."

♦ Let me ask you both about what must have been a hurtful Sunday for you especially, you Senator McCain, Colin Powell's endorsement of Barack Obama and Governor, respectfully, the heart of his quote, about Governor Palin, Senator McCain, "I don't believe she's ready to be President of the United States which is the job of Vice President. And so that raised some question in my mind as to the judgment that Senator McCain made." When you heard those words from a man you've known for a long time, what was your reaction, saying basically we have little to judge these future leaders on except for the big decision of picking a running mate?

♦ Are we changing the definition? Are the people who set fire to American cities during the '60s terrorists under this definition? Is an abortion clinic bomber a terrorist under this definition, Governor?

♦ Are you going to keep your promise not to involve Reverend Wright in the campaign?

For more on those interviews, check: “Williams Hits McCain & Palin with Powell's Charge She's Unqualified” and: “Williams Pushes McCain & Palin on Ayers, Avoid Wright, Define 'Elite'”

Compare the tone of his McCain interview session with his approach to Obama earlier this year, as recounted in “Williams Tosses Softballs to Obama, Empathizes Over Elitist Image,” my May 8 NewsBusters item:

Brian Williams, who slobbered over Barack Obama in their last interview in early January, did so again in a Thursday session conducted at Washington, DC's Newseum and excerpted on the NBC Nightly News. Back on January 7, Williams handed Obama a Newsweek with "Inside Obama's Dream Machine" as the cover story and wondered: "How does this feel, of all the honors that have come your way, all the publicity? Who does it make you think of? Is there, is there a loved one?" On Thursday, Williams didn't pose a single challenging question nor mention Jeremiah Wright in any of the ten questions aired, but pulled the same magazine stunt, this time holding up the new Time with a smiling Obama on the cover by the words, "And the Winner* Is..." Williams fondly recalled: "Last time we were together, I handed you a copy of Newsweek, it was the first time you'd held it in your hands with you on the cover. Have you yet held this in your hands?"

Obama said he had not, prompting Williams to remind him: "Last time you looked at it and you thought instantly of your mom." Obama effused: "She'd like that picture. She always encouraged me to smile more." Proceeding to cue up Obama for a long recitation on how he's not an elitist, Williams empathized: "You end up with people talking about your bowling score, gutter balls, wearing a tie, wearing a tie with farmers. And how have you dealt with that? Is there an operating theory that guides your life these days?"

Now, all of the questions from Williams to Obama in the interview excerpt aired on the Thursday, October 30 NBC Nightly News (with a second part to run on Friday's newscast):

BRIAN WILLIAMS: And because these days it all comes back to the presidential campaign and the election five days from now, that brings us to the campaign trail. We're on the warning track here at Ed Smith Stadium in Sarasota, Florida. This was one of Barack Obama's stops in Florida today. Democrats are in the minority in this region, but Obama is looking for votes. His campaign fueled by the urgent fight to fix the economy these days. Some of that corporate news had just broken when I met up with him in a tent before he took the podium here this morning.

WILLIAMS TO OBAMA: This morning's news, 7,000 layoffs worldwide, American Express. There's another financial headline every day. How do you tailor your message to this crowd? Is there more pain before there's a gain?

WILLIAMS: And with that he was greeted by the cheers of a crowd estimated at 13,000. He delivered his latest stump speech here today. It's been called his closing argument. He came off the rope line afterwards. We joined up with him again. And during our seated interview later, we talked about last night's rally here in Florida with Bill Clinton.

WILLIAMS TO OBAMA: Why did it take so long for Bill Clinton to join you for a rally like the one we saw here in Florida last night?             

An American industrial question, does, does America need American car companies? Is three too many? Two too few? And on top of the billions already spent, what's it worth to you, if the answer is yes?

Senator, a question about the Supreme Court. Everyone running for President always says, especially on the narrow issue of abortion rights, no litmus test. It's said on both sides of the issue. And if that's true, if you're not going to call a future justice into the oval office, if you're successful in this endeavor and bring up the subject, how then do you also avoid surprises? I don't think George H.W. Bush 41 ever dreamed that in Justice Souter he was appointing a dependable liberal vote. And Eisenhower for years called Justice Brennan his biggest mistake in office. Two surprises that just come to mind.

—Brent Baker is Vice President for Research and Publications at the Media Research Center


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He's a Millionaire

I'm a liberal and I think Brian William is a pampered, multi-millionaire fool.

Didn't most of the media call the people Bush surrounded himself with, the experienced Rumsfeld, Cheney and Powell a "Dream Team?" BBC NY Times

The London Economist (which is generally a libertarian-minded organization) has endorsed Barack Obama.

I like Williams. I think

I like Williams. I think he's a very reasonable, fair-minded guy.

...let the outpouring of hatred begin. 

Nuts

Williams is a "voice." He began as a political operative and not a trained journalist. He has no college degree. And I am clueless who someone with so little training , like Williams, got this gig.

Nuts

Williams is a "voice." He began as a political operative and not a trained journalist. He has no college degree. And I am clueless who someone with so little training , like Williams, got this gig.

Decrying a lack of college

Decrying a lack of college degree? That sounds, dare I say, "elitist." I thought conservatives hated that.

Williams has spent a good deal of his life in journalism. I think he's earned his position. 

balboa...

...apparantly degrees are only "door openers". What counts is substance. Thats what conservatives relish. It doesn't matter how much time a "journalists" has spent his/her life in journalism. If it was spent in bias, it was a waste!

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

So if substance is all that

So if substance is all that counts, why bring up the lack of a college degree? The number of fabulously successful people that don't have a college degree is HUGE.

»→ bal

Other than being a talking (reading) head, what critical success has he achieved that separates him from your local newsreader?

  • Even if I want to take them [guns] away, I don't have the votes in Congress - B H Obama

I don't have his resume in

I don't have his resume in front of me. 

»→ Me neither bal

But I'm sure he could read it to us if we'd put it on a teleprompter.

I've seen/heard him read.  He's a very good reader, definitely a very good reader. 

  • Even if I want to take them [guns] away, I don't have the votes in Congress - B H Obama

There's another financial

There's another financial headline every day. How do you tailor your message to this crowd?

Bill Clinton says Obama doesn't have a clue how to fix the economy.  HAHA!

Brian Williams is such a little sissy!  Failed to asked about Obama's Aunt who is living in poverty.  Failed to ask about Rashid Kladi. 

NBC Nightly NONSENSE is for MORONS.

McCain gave 5 times as much to Khalidi as Obama+Ayers

When McCain was Chairman of the IRI (the same group that pushed to make sure Odinga got the newly created Prime Minister's job in Kenya, the same Odinga that NewsBusters criticizes Obama for associating with) the IRI gave close to a half million dollars to the organization Khalidi ran.

So, the Khalidi thing is obviously not a tack the McCain ship can take.

As for an Aunt living in poverty? Well, that sounds like it would go over like a Led Balloon. "Hey, don't you have a poor Aunt? Does that mean you can't be President?"

Josh

Williams chose not to ask obama about Khalidi, which is of interest to a lot of voters.

Williams chose not to ask obama about his Aunt living in poverty which of course the connection can be made that obama wants to take care of the middle/lower class yet doesn't take care of his own family.

Williams chose to flash a pretty magazine pic of obama...

Nonsense News!

I am not going to defend Williams as the Great Investigator

But every question one might ask Obama about Khalidi one must ask five times as hard to McCain.

And as for his Aunt, living in poverty, I'm still entirely clueless what relevance that might have. Are poor relations a barrier to becoming President?

" I'm still entirely clueless"

well spoken, fits you to a tee! 

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

It does when Obama says

It does when Obama says that a person not taking care of his family and loved ones says a lot about his character.  Funny that Williams also didn't ask Obama why he didn't visit his dying mother sooner. Why? Because he was too busy campaigning for the senate seat in ILL.

"Forget change, I want improvement!"

October 30, 2008 - 22:43 ET

October 30, 2008 - 22:43 ET by Josh SN

"...Are poor relations a barrier to becoming President?"

Certainly not. I realize you've asked a sophomoric and rhetorical question. You should have asked if being a socialist is a barrier to becoming President.

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"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury."

Someone else has said this before

Obama plans to roll back the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy. This means, if I am to believe you, that the George Herbert Walker Bush era taxes on the top bracket (39%) were socialist, but 36% is capitalist. I have a tunnel to Spain to sell you.

It isn't the percentage that

It isn't the percentage that makes him a Socialist, as you well know. (Although, if you don't, maybe you're just an idiot.) It's raising income taxes on some (those with more) and giving it to those who don't pay any income tax (30%-35%). And don't give me any of that 'they still pay a payroll tax' bullcrap. That's an 'insurance' payment to Medicare, SS, etc. If you pay in, you receive out later. Obama wants you to not even pay in, and still get, get, get. AKA Socialism.

ummmm

It's relavant because Obama goes on and on about being "his brother's keeper" and he's got a brother living in a hut in poverty in Kenya and an aunt living in a slum in Boston. 

Charity starts at home. McCain may have a lot of houses, but at least it's family members of his living there.  

Rather, Obama would have we the taxpayers send his aunt a check, perhaps, to ease her suffering.  

Obama: A glittering jewel of colossal ignorance. --RL

The FIRST time in the last

The FIRST time in the last 5 years I've seen NBC news, and it was that awful story, followed by the global warming dreck.

 

I'll stick with Fox News, thanks.

This makes me come close to crying

Global warming "dreck?"

When the Arctic melts (the head of the Goddard Space Center at NASA, James Hansen, says it is already too late, and it basically can't be stopped), will you just say "Ha, ha?"

If it does melt like he says, it won't come back for thousands of years (on Greenland, either).

Ice Cap & Dunce Cap

When it finally melts we will laugh!

Because it will be so much easier to get to all the oil and gas up there!

 

"Dewey defeats Truman ! "  --Chicago Tribune, 1948

And I will be inclined

Will it be the 100 million+ people fleeing their sea-level homes into your neighborhood that will make you laugh, or will it be the, say, 100 thousand to 1 million that actually die because of your stupidity that will cause you to laugh.

I only ask because this sort of thing interests me.

But Josh . . .

I thought you supported population control?

 

"Dewey defeats Truman ! "  --Chicago Tribune, 1948

It you mean abortion, I support limiting the government...

... from checking on whether or not every woman in America is pregnant, and whether or not they bring the child to term and it is born alive.

And, as your side generally likes to point out, there is a huge difference between a personal or family choice about giving birth and having the oceans swamp your region because 100s of millions of other people in China and America wanted to burn oil to run cars.

One problem with your "Ice

One problem with your "Ice Cap Is Melting" theory:

Glaciers - They just keep growing, and growing . . .

  1. Icecap.us - Southern Hemisphere Ice Cover Remains Well Above Normal
  2. Antarctic Ice Growing (USA Today)
  3. Mount Shasta Glacier are Growing: CBS13 - Mount Shasta Glaciers Defy Global Warming, Grow
  4. Hubbard Glacier is Growing: USGS - Hubbard Glacier, Alaska
  5. Glacier growing in Karakoram Range: JAXA - Glaciers in the Eastern Karakoram Range
  6. Arctic - Arctic Sea Ice Re-Freezing at Record Pace (The Daily Green)

 

 

"Dewey defeats Truman ! "  --Chicago Tribune, 1948

Um, Not!

  1. Some guy's blog? Next!
  2. What it actually says is much more tendentious than you suggest "If the thickening is not merely part of some short-term fluctuation, it represents a reversal of the long retreat of the ice" The word if is the big clue here.
  3. Page Not Found
  4. One glacier, one place? Greenland has lost 25 cubic kilometers
  5. From your article "the extent of sea ice recorded in November was well shy of the median extent observed over the past quarter century"

Free Re: Josh... Josh is

Free Re: Josh...

Josh is just another troll on the Obama payroll. I suggest ignoring him until after the election.

THIS IS WAR!

 

 

Making Fun of AGW http://giovanniworld.wordpress.com/  

Josh,

What sea level rise?

"No significant acceleration in the rate of sea level
rise during the 20th century has been detected. This is not inconsistent with
model results due to the possibility of compensating factors and the limited data."

From the IPCC's lips to God's ears.  

"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008

CO2 LAGS temp

When the Arctic melts (the head of the Goddard Space Center at NASA,
James Hansen, says it is already too late, and it basically can't be
stopped), will you just say "Ha, ha?"

And Gore and his "consensus" also claimed that ice core data proved that CO2 causes global warming.   Only later, of course,  was it shown that Gore was completely wrong, with the ice core data actually showing that temperatures went up centuries BEFORE CO2 levels started to rise.

Yeah, there's a correlation b/w CO2 and temps alright.  Only Gore got it backwards.  The very centerpiece of his movie shot to hell.

A huge F.U. on the part of Gore. 

Who brought up Albert Gore, Jr.?

If you want to disagree with James Hansen, head of the Goddard Space Center at NASA, whose views have done a good job convincing me, then we have something to disagree about.

Barry Goldwater was pro-choice. His wife helped found Planned Parenthood in Arizona. Yeah, but who brought up Barry Goldwater?

James Hansen?

 

Re:

"...James Hansen, head of the Goddard Space Center at NASA, whose views have done a good job convincing me,..."

Well, there you have it, a consensus.

Josh, I'm sorry but, when it comes to debating global warming, you're going to get buried here. Professor Truth  got in his hot air powered Snit and drove off the NB lot a long time ago. Your arguments are old, easily refuted and, quite frankly, tiresome. Go for it if you must but please, do a bit more homework first. Personally I'm going to sit out the dueling links match which is about to erupt.

ZZZzzz 

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"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury."

 

I'm with you Andante

But it will be good to get back into this after the election. Hopefully, the new trolls will enjoy the instruction, and the old troll can surely use a refresher.  

"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008

Thanks

.

Reading material

Actually I lied, a little bit. Here's somethng to keep Josh busy for a while.

From:

 http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=64734

"...In terms of Ph.D. scientists alone, it already has 15 times more scientists than are seriously involved in the U.N.'s campaign to "vilify hydrocarbons," officials told WND.

"The very large number of petition signers demonstrates that, if there is a consensus among American scientists, it is in opposition to the human-caused global warming hypothesis rather than in favor of it," the organization noted..."

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"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury."

I lied a little too.

Couldn't help doing my part to keep Josh informed either.

"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008

MIT scientists baffled by global warming theory

MIT scientists baffled by global warming theory, contradicts scientific data

TG Daily reports:

Boston (MA) - Scientists at MIT have recorded a nearly simultaneous world-wide increase in methane levels. This is the first increase in ten years, and what baffles science is that this data contradicts theories stating man is the primary source of increase for this greenhouse gas. It takes about one full year for gases generated in the highly industrial northern hemisphere to cycle through and reach the southern hemisphere. However, since all worldwide levels rose simultaneously throughout the same year, it is now believed this may be part of a natural cycle in mother nature - and not the direct result of man's contributions.

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“The sum of intelligence on the planet is a constant; the population is growing.” ~ George Bernard Shaw

HAHA!

TGDaily? LOL! Dude, get a real freakin' refence. Geesh. My aunt said that you are an idiot! Is she an expert on idiots? I can't prove it!

By the way, there is this massive Russian peat bog that has been frozen for the last 10,000 years. It is now melting, increasing the amount of methane in the atmosphere, which is what Hansen calls a "forcing," since it reinforces global warming.

My guess.

Josh is between 19-21 years old.  But I may have overbid.

 

 

No representation, without taxation!

Karma

I was thinking pre-pubs. That would explain alot.

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

Josh...

I have been here for a while (long while) but you are the biggest dumbass I have seen EVER. "Russian peat bog" you are worse than the Paulbots that used to be here! 

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

TGDaily? LOL! Dude, get a real freakin' refence. Geesh.

DUDE - Proper spelling would be appreciated: "refence" is spelled  reference. "freakin" is used only by underage pimple-faced kids and requires a "g" at the end.

By the way, Josh SN, if you are using Roaccutane for your acne be aware that the drug is linked to depression.

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Massachusetts Institute of Technology - Levels of the greenhouse gas methane begin to increase again

SPACEINFO - Earth's methane on the rise again.

Science Daily - Methane Gas Levels Begin To Increase Again

United Press International (UPI) - NASA-funded study shows methane increasing

Scientific Blogging - Forget CO2 - Methane Levels On The Rise Again

The EarthTimes - NASA Measurements Show Greenhouse Gas Methane on the Rise Again

COSMOS - Another potent greenhouse gas on the rise

Reuters - Climate-warming methane levels rose fast in 2007

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There is nobody so irritating as somebody with less intelligence and less sense than we have ~ Rush Fan regarding Josh SN

Josh, your credibility, such as it was, is now basically toast.

James Hansen is a total fraud, and has been proven to be so long before you even thought about signing up here.

Perhaps you should take the time to read through Noel's numerous articles that relate to Mr. Hansen, before you embarrass yourself further.

Intellectually, you are in about fifty feet over your head here, pal, and sinking faster than the Titanic.

-Dave

The MSM is the 21st Century version of the Ministry of Public Enlightenment and Propaganda

No worries Dave

Josh can't lose something he never had. :)

"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008

R1,

LOL-I was just trying to be polite to one of our more recent O-bots.

I mean, I don't think Josh here has had an original thought in his entire life!

How sad.

-Dave

The MSM is the 21st Century version of the Ministry of Public Enlightenment and Propaganda

Rt, Dave!!! I'll be on this Friday!!

Care to help??

I love AGW debates.

Let's Play!!!

Josh...I'll find you.  You better have your Propaganda Papers ready...'Cause I'm gonna' blow them out of the WATER!!!

Ster. 

Listen, strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government.

Dave!!! I can't Believe this Josh Clown??

I wish UCW was here. 

Josh...why is it that James Hansen is making BIG money from Global Warming Alarmists.  How is Al Gore worth 100 million...and how did he make it??  Lehman Brothers...and the Prime Benefactor of Al Gore's "Carbon Credit" scam is now Bankrupt???

Why is there a Major Debate in the British House about AGW...and how much it's costing them?  TODAY?!?!

Josh...General Electric...owner of NBC...stands to make BILLIONS off this AGW "hoax".

Josh...do FACTS hurt??

I WILL get back with MORE facts.  TRUST ME.

Josh...I LOVE THIS AGW DEBATE.  I'M NOT GOING AWAY.

Later...we will talk about the UN climate Comune.  We will also talk about the 39,000 Scientists who refute Hanson and his 59 UN Socialists.

Also...we shall talk about record snow falls RIGHT NOW across the world.  Do not forget a RECORD LACK of SUN SPOTS right NOW!!!

Josh...Please be here on Friday. 

I'll be here.  Will you???

Ster. 

Listen, strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government.

Ster,

LOL-Apparently Josh is totally unaware that James Hansen has been long shredded into cole-slaw on the pages of this site. 

-Dave

The MSM is the 21st Century version of the Ministry of Public Enlightenment and Propaganda

Dave..I feel sorry for Josh...NOT!!

I gotta get up at 5am...but I'll be here Friday.  TRUST ME.

Josh...You better bring IT.

Me, Rt, Dave, UCW, et all. will be here.  Will you??

Josh....Forget the Hansen argument...I'll give you a head start.

Hehehe....

Ster. 

Listen, strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government.

Al Gore couldn't even carry

Al Gore couldn't even carry his home state. 

Al Gore, preaching about global warming while he was stomping his GIANT carbon footprints(his own house sucked as much energy as a small town!) all over my beautiful state of TN.

Al Gore, who recently urged "Civil Disobedience"

 

 

I'm just a little confused.

If Jimmy says it's too late and can't be stopped, why will it (the ice) come back unless it's a natural cycle?

 

No representation, without taxation!

This is an exercise in futility!

Let's face it, we know Obama has had the total support of the MSM, during his entire campaign. We also know that, since the media decided Obama was the "One" they decided not to support McCain anymore.

 Once you make your decisions, it's pretty easy to figure out how you'll approach your interviews, how you'll frame your questions, and how you will fit things into  your news broadcasts. 

Does anyone not recognize that?  

Democrats: Stuck on Stupid since 2000.

NBC is following the path

NBC is following the path laid out by Zucker and Capus. The question is, if GE continues to tank, who will buy this dog?

Williams should have said.....

"If I had a pair I'd ask Obama to explain...:

"A Guy named Joe, who happens to be a plumber with ambitions for a bigger business, questioned and challenged a Guy named Barack, who happens to be running for President of the US/Leader of the Free World. And within 24 hours The Mainstream Media has given us more information about Joe's life than they've given us about Barack's life in the past 18 months! Thanks to a 'diligent' press corps, we now know about Joe's professional licensing status, his income tax situation, his employment history, his domestic squabbles, his voting record, everything associated with his personal identity; his education.. It's probably been reported somewhere whether he wears boxers or briefs.

Thanks to a biased press corps.We still don't know what grades Obama made in college; how he got into Harvard; when he met Bill "the bomber" Ayers; when or if he stopped doing illegal drugs; his medical history; whether he still smokes cigarettes; the extent of his affiliation with socialist/communist organizations; why he's no longer a licensed attorney; whether he lied on his Bar application; whether he'd qualify for a security clearance if he were just an "average joe;" what passport he used to travel to Pakistan in 1981; who his ex-girlfriends are; whether he was or still is an Indonesian citizen; why his Kenyan grandmother insists he was born there; whether he was ever legally named Barry Soetoro or anything else besides Barack Hussein Obama; why he needed the help of a crook to purchase his family home; where he was on Nov. 6 and 7, 1999; what the long-version of his birth certificate says; why he helped an anti-American, pro-Islamic candidate for Kenyan President against US interests; why he listened to Rev. Wright's sermons for 20 years; how many times he took his kids to a Rev. Wright sermon; what he actually did as chair of the Annenberg Challenge; the depth of his relationship with ACORN.

Well, you get the idea. But, really, I am SO relieved that the Mainstream Media has done its job vetting Joe The Plumber, who is NOT running for public office, but who had the AUDACITY to challenge Barack Hussein Obama, who wants my vote for President of the United States of America." FAT CHANCE!!"

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"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury."

For starters, this is not a democracy

We call it a "representative democracy" but to Oracle of the American Republic, Charles de Secondat, there were two types of "Republics," Democratic and Aristocratic.

The Democratic meant every citizen was a legislator, this is often called "direct democracy" today. Interestingly, as it was in Athens and Florence during their heydays, the top positions in a Democratic Republic are given away at random.

The very definition of Aristocratic Republic, according to Montesquieu, was elections. He fully expected elites to get elected, not "average joes." The "principle" of Democratic Republics was "equality" and the "principle" of Arisotcratic Republics was "moderation."

Joe the Plumber is a freaking idiot who would likely bankrupt any business he bought. Please recall that he doesn't know the difference between net sales (the plumbing business he wanted to buy had about $250K in receipts) and net profit. With 50-80K in profit any small businessperson will pay far less in taxes with an Obama tax plan than with a McCain tax plan.

Under obama's plan: Small

Under obama's plan:

Small Business with 50-80K will have to pay health-care mandates, and remember that obama and dems want to raise min. wage to over $9 by 2010.

obama's plan will kill jobs. Kill the economy. 

Health care is not my expert subject but...

Isn't McCain planning to remove the tax subsidy for businesses who provide health care?

Sorry I don't pay attention to this one more, I have my own ideas, and neither party subscribes to them.

Of all the...

Of all the Internet trolls on the Øbama payroll, this Josh SN seems to me to be the bestest edumacated. And hardest working, too! 

"Modern man is staggering and losing his balance because he is being pelted with little pieces of alleged fact which are native to the newspapers; and, if they turn out not to be facts, that is still more native to newspapers." -GKC

Um, thank you, I guess

I tryded my hardedest to get myself an edjumakayshun, and it done paid off!

However, for the record, it should be noted that I am here entirely on my own behalf as a private citizen, and although I made one phone call for the Obama campaign during the primary season, I am neither accepting money nor in any serious way connected to the Obama campaign.

Still, if any of you remember Art Chrenkoff's old pro-Iraq war blog... (LOL)... one of the guys called me a "one man comment insurgency" and that did please me.

I am just now remembering in the #objectivism channel on Undernet back in 1995 someone half-done with the Fountainhead said I reminded them of Howard Roark and everyone was like "No!, NO!" I hope you will please forgive me for this walk down memory lane.

*sigh*

Kitten, why are all you libs so sarcastic and cynical?
Your liberal blather reminds me an awful lot of the sort of drivel my ex boyfriend used to spew.

Which is exactly why he is my EX boyfriend.

Obama: A glittering jewel of colossal ignorance. --RL

Hello Meow

Welcome to NBs. You appear to have a good head on your shoulders, you have Josh pegged right. You sound young and from  your name, you must be a cat person. Cats are ok but I prefer dogs. Choose your boyfriends well. The girl I chose in 1955 turned out to be the best.

For starters, this is not a democracy

 

Josh, Why the name calling for Joe the Plumber?  When people start name-calling I have to wonder whether they have a valid point or not.  To my knowledge we haven't gotten a straight answer from Obama regarding his tax policies yet.  He talks about $250,000, $200,000 and I think Biden had his own number he came up with. 

This is not about how much money we don't pay in taxes.  This is about a concept of overtaxing one group of people to allegedly benefit another group of people who don't take home the same pay.  It's to "equal" things out.  People who hold these beliefs don't understand that this type of government diminishes the will to achieve.  They believe that if they give you your "crumbs" you will be happy, go away and leave them alone to run the country as they see fit without public questions or intrusion.  Answer me this, why is it appropriate to investigate Joe the Plumber for merely asking a question?  It would have benefited Obama to answer the question, thank him for his time and applaud his desire to own a company.  Instead he has been investigated, mocked and followed by the mainstream media and people in his own hometown.  If that is what we have to look forward to with an Obama presidency it should cause you to rethink your opinions.

 

Some people are idiots, you know it

Shepard Smith (the rest of Fox can go away, but he is a pretty good news guy) asked Joe the Plumber today a question. Someone told Joe the Plumber if Obama was elected Israel would be destroyed. Joe the Plumber agreed. Shep asked Joe why he said that. Joe said he'd asked the viewers to find out. Why do I believe what I believe? Why don't you find out for yourself!

Joe wanted to buy a business and he couldn't tell the difference between sales and profit!

The Washington Post did a this fancy graphic based on their understanding of the McCain and Obama tax proposals. Please feel free to investigate for yourself.

You know something "josh"...

You are dumber than a bag-o-hammers. Shep Smith is the liberal version of Bret Hume,only prime time. Thats why FOX news is fair and balanced. Shep is like the pretty face FOX puts on to get dumbasses like you to watch. Then the wrecking crew comes in: BOR, Hannity,(even Greta nowdays). Jeeze you libs are so easy!

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

What exactly does Obama know about business and economics?

Fascinating to watch this media circle jerk over Obama and the economy.

They treat Obama like he's some kind of genius when it comes to business and economics. He isn't. He has about as much expertise in those areas as he does in foriegn policy, which is to say "None".

The polls say more people think Obama will handle the economy better than McCain, but that has zilch to do with Obama and a lot more to do with the recent credit crisis and McCain being the same party as the sitting president. (McCain should have done a lot more to tie Obama to the real source of the crisis: Democrats like Barney Frank and Chris Dodd). It doesn't help that the media has been shouting "doom and gloom" on the economy for many months now. Something tells me they'll ease up on that if Obama gets elected.

 

Forgive me?

John Sidney McCain III has been living off the government of the United States for his entire life.

Oh, that's right, for five and a half years, as a Prisoner of War, he was living off the government of North Vietnam.

that joke was not mine, originally.

krendler,

Fascinating to watch this media circle jerk over Obama and the economy.

Actually, I think the circle jerk has now evolved into a full-blown cluster fornication.  :-)

-Dave

The MSM is the 21st Century version of the Ministry of Public Enlightenment and Propaganda

Anyone hear Pat Cadell

Anyone hear Pat Cadell tonight?

On H&C they were discussing the video that LA Times is not releasing. Cadell mentioned that this was given to the Times back in the spring when the race with Hillary was getting a little dirty. He let slip that maybe Hillary's team gave it to the Times. 

Maybe now we see what the real reason is they are not releasing it? It makes sense doesn't it?