Bill Bennett corrected CNN's Wolf Blitzer's presumption on Monday that Rush Limbaugh's “phony soldiers” comment was directed at soldiers who served in Iraq and now oppose the war, but in setting up the “Strategy Session” segment on Tuesday's The Situation Room, Blitzer again adopted as fact the spin of the far-left group pushing the attack on Limbaugh. With the text on screen, Blitzer highlighted how “Democratic Congressman Patrick Murphy of Pennsylvania...says: 'Someone should tell chicken hawk Rush Limbaugh that the only phonies are those who choose not to serve and then criticize those who do.'” To Bennett and Donna Brazile, Blitzer wondered: “What do you make of this strategy that Harry Reid...and others are saying now that Rush Limbaugh was inappropriately offensive to veterans?” Bennett retorted with “not much” and observed: “When you shoot at a king, and he's the king of talk radio, you better get him. They didn't get him here.”
On Monday night, Blitzer had dismissed Limbaugh's explanation, that he was referring to anyone who claims to have served in Iraq but has not, and introduced a story on “Limbaugh's charge that some veterans who are criticizing the war are, in his words, quote, 'phony soldiers.'" Meanwhile, on Tuesday's American Morning, CNN anchor Kiran Chetry proposed: “Two weeks after Republicans went after MoveOn.org's 'General Betray Us' ad, the Democrats are turning the tables on Rush Limbaugh. They say that he made hateful and unpatriotic remarks about U.S. troops on his radio show.” Not until the end of the story, after relaying Senator Tom Harkin's insult that “maybe he was just high on his drugs,” did Chetry provide Limbaugh's take.
CNN's on screen tag during the 4:45pm EDT Situation Room segment during the first hour of the program: “DEMS BLAST LIMBAUGH; Claim: Offends U.S. Troops.”
Bennett informed viewers that “the argument was that he used the phrase 'phony soldiers.' He was talking about a phony soldier,” namely Jesse MacBeth, and both the AP and ABC News ran pieces on “phony” soldiers. My Friday NewsBusters posting pointed out how ABC's World News, in a September 24 story on what anchor Charles Gibson described using the same “phoney” term as Limbaugh, looked at “phoney heroes” -- those passing themselves off as Iraq war veterans. Reporter Brian Ross noted:
The authorities say the most disturbing case involves this man: 23-year-old Jesse MacBeth. In a YouTube video seen around the world, MacBeth became a rallying point for anti-war groups as he talked of the purple heart he received in Iraq and described how he and other U.S. Army Rangers killed innocent civilians at a Baghdad mosque. It was a complete fabrication.
Noel Sheppard's Sunday post has the full transcript and a link to the ABCNews.com video of the ABC story which aired three days before Limbaugh's remark, and the Radio Equalizer blog also has a transcript along with video from YouTube of the Ross story.
The Monday night NewsBusters posting, with video, “Blitzer Joins MSNBC in Distorting Limbaugh, Advancing Far-left Smear,” began:
CNN's Wolf Blitzer on Monday night matched MSNBC in distorting the target of Rush Limbaugh's “phony soldiers” comment as the 7pm EDT hour of The Situation Room devoted a full story to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid's attack on Limbaugh based on a Friday hit job on Limbaugh by the far-left Media Matters. “It's an angry new shot in the dispute over the war in Iraq,” Blitzer asserted before reporting that Limbaugh had charged “that some veterans who are criticizing the war are, in his words, quote, 'phony soldiers.'" In fact, on his show Friday and Monday, Limbaugh made clear he was referring to those who claimed to be soldiers, but never served, a point mentioned by reporter Dana Bash, but only after Blitzer framed the story by adopting as fact the spin of the left wing attack group.
Bash offered a favorable take on Reid's reasoning: “Harry Reid combined a biting attack on Limbaugh with a demand for an apology for what Democrats call an insulting rant against soldiers who joined Democrats in opposing the war.” Though Bash noted that “Limbaugh insists he was only talking about one anti-war soldier, Jesse MacBeth recently convicted of falsely claiming to have served in Iraq,” she proceeded to highlight how “Limbaugh's comments are burning up the liberal blogosphere. Watchdog group Media Matters, among the first to blast Limbaugh, says it doesn't buy his explanation.” She next vaunted how “this new escalation of the Iraq debate has Democrats looking to turn the tables after the controversy of MoveOn.org's attack on the commanding General in Iraq.” A strategy that will only work if the media play along. Bash did air a bit of Limbaugh's response to Reid: Laughter, followed by “he's got to be a nut!”...
For MSNBC's approach on Friday, check my Friday item: “Show After Show, MSNBC Smears Limbaugh with 'Phony Soldiers' Distortion.”
A transcript of the relevant portion of the “Strategy Session” on the October 2 The Situation Room (CNN.com's transcript has an unusual number of errors that are not below):
WOLF BLITZER: What do you think of this Democratic strategy now to go after conservative radio talk show host Rush Limbaugh? One Democratic Congressman, Patrick Murphy of Pennsylvania, a veteran himself, he says [text on screen], "Someone should tell chicken hawk Rush Limbaugh that the only phonies are those who choose not to serve and then criticize those who do." What do you make of this strategy that Harry Reid, the Senate Majority Leader and others are saying now that Rush Limbaugh was inappropriately offensive to veterans by some of the comments he recently made?
BILL BENNETT: Not much. You know, I'm willing to criticize Republicans and conservatives when they have it wrong. You've heard me do it on the show any number of times. Not this time. You know, when you shoot at a king, and he's the king of talk radio, you better get him. They didn't get him here. The argument was that he used the phrase "phony soldiers." He was talking about a phony soldier. The AP ran a story called "Phony Soldiers." ABC three days before Rush's comments ran a story called "Phony Soldiers." He was talking about a guy who was lying. He wasn't a corporal in the Army, he didn't get a Purple Heart. That's the guy Rush was talking about. Media Matters left that out.
I have been savaged by Media Matters unfairly. They did it this time. There's plenty to disagree with Rush if you're on the left. But this isn't, this wasn't fair. Let me tell you why. The Petraeus thing has really hurt the Democrats. They say it doesn't and it was all fair. But this thing is not going away. This is a soldier, commander in the field. And it really stung and they're looking for revenge.
BLITZER: As Bill says, Donna, a lot of people suggest that what Senator Harry Reid and the Democrats were doing in trying to go after Rush Limbaugh on this issue, quote, "phony soldiers," was sort of payback for the MoveOn.org and the "General Betray Us" ad that a lot of people think backfired on the Democrats.
DONNA BRAZILE: Well, a lot of Americans who care about our troops, we think our troops and we believe that what they're doing is noble and courageous. And the left can condemn MoveOn, the right should be able to condemn Rush Limbaugh the comments he made about phony soldiers. Not only did he talk about this one soldier who may be discredited but he also used Jack Murtha. And many of us believe Jack Murtha is a courageous American, he stood up and he fought for his country. And when Rush Limbaugh takes on Jack Murtha, then the left has every right to call on Rush Limbaugh to apologize.
BENNETT: He took on Jack Murtha. He did not call Jack Murtha a phony soldier. He took Jack Murtha on on the merits of the argument. That's an entirely different case. He can take on Rush Limbaugh, he can take on George Bush, take on Jack Murtha. Name calling was about a phony soldier.
BLITZER: Because you saw Bill Clinton last week in the interview with Anderson Cooper. He was really irate.
BENNETT: Seething.
BLITZER: He was seething -- I think that's a good word -- when he pointed out that the Republicans went after veterans like Max Cleland and John Kerry with the swift boat attack and all that.
BRAZILE: He said phony soldiers. So he didn't make a distinction that he was just referring to Mr. MacBeth. He was referring to soldiers who have come out against this war. And over a third of MoveOn.org members are soldiers, many of them who served in Iraq and they're now opposed to the war. So many people on the left believe that he was taking on those soldiers as well as Mr. MacBeth.
BENNETT: All you have to do is listen to the show and it is perfectly clear, crystal clear. Couldn't be clearer who he is talking about.
A short news update item at about 7:30am EDT on Tuesday's American Morning:
KIRAN CHETRY: Two weeks after Republicans went after MoveOn.org's “General Betray Us” ad, the Democrats are turning the tables on Rush Limbaugh. They say that he made hateful and unpatriotic remarks about U.S. troops on his radio show last week. Here's the conversation.
[CALLER LAST THURSDAY ON LIMBAUGH's RADIO SHOW: They never talked to real soldiers. They like to pull these soldiers that come up out of the blue and spout to the media.
RUSH LIMBAUGH: The phony soldiers.
CALLER: The phony soldiers. If you talk to a real soldier, they are proud to serve.]SEN. HARRY REID ON THE SENATE FLOOR ON MONDAY: Rush Limbaugh took it upon himself to attack the courage and character of those fighting and dying for him and for all of us. Rush Limbaugh got himself a deferment from serving when he was a young man.
CHETRY: Senator Harry Reid has called on Limbaugh's boss, the chief executive of Clear Channel Communications, to denounce his remarks. Senator Tom Harkin of Iowa then followed Reid saying: “Maybe he was just high on his drugs.” Here's how Rush responded.
LIMBAUGH ON HIS RADIO SHOW ON MONDAY: He's got to be a nut. This is, I cannot believe that they are actually going this far with this.
CHETRY: Limbaugh insists he was talking about one anti-war soldier who was actually convicted of lying about serving in Iraq, and that they took his comment out of context.
—Brent Baker is Vice President for Research and Publications at the Media Research Center





The authorities say the most disturbing case involves this man: 23-year-old Jesse MacBeth. In a YouTube video seen around the world, MacBeth became a rallying point for anti-war groups as he talked of the purple heart he received in Iraq and described how he and other U.S. Army Rangers killed innocent civilians at a Baghdad mosque. It was a complete fabrication.
CNN's Wolf Blitzer on Monday night matched MSNBC in distorting the target of Rush Limbaugh's “phony soldiers” comment as the 7pm EDT hour of The Situation Room devoted a full story to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid's attack on Limbaugh based on a Friday hit job on Limbaugh by the far-left Media Matters. “It's an angry new shot in the dispute over the war in Iraq,” Blitzer asserted before reporting that Limbaugh had charged “that some veterans who are criticizing the war are, in his words, quote, 'phony soldiers.'" In fact, on his show Friday and Monday, Limbaugh made clear he was referring to those who claimed to be soldiers, but never served, a point mentioned by reporter Dana Bash, but only after Blitzer framed the story by adopting as fact the spin of the left wing attack group.
WOLF BLITZER: What do you think of this Democratic strategy now to go after conservative radio talk show host Rush Limbaugh? One Democratic Congressman, Patrick Murphy of Pennsylvania, a veteran himself, he says [text on screen], "Someone should tell chicken hawk Rush Limbaugh that the only phonies are those who choose not to serve and then criticize those who do." What do you make of this strategy that Harry Reid, the Senate Majority Leader and others are saying now that Rush Limbaugh was inappropriately offensive to veterans by some of the comments he recently made?
I have been savaged by Media Matters unfairly. They did it this time. There's plenty to disagree with Rush if you're on the left. But this isn't, this wasn't fair. Let me tell you why. The Petraeus thing has really hurt the Democrats. They say it doesn't and it was all fair. But this thing is not going away. This is a soldier, commander in the field. And it really stung and they're looking for revenge.
KIRAN CHETRY: Two weeks after Republicans went after MoveOn.org's “General Betray Us” ad, the Democrats are turning the tables on Rush Limbaugh. They say that he made hateful and unpatriotic remarks about U.S. troops on his radio show last week. Here's the conversation.
















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“Two weeks after
Tue, 10/02/2007 - 20:31 ET by Chris Norman“Two weeks after Republicans went after MoveOn.org's 'General Betray Us' ad, the Democrats are turning the tables on Rush Limbaugh."
And that says it all.
And why aren't the MSM
Tue, 10/02/2007 - 21:04 ET by motherbeltAnd why aren't the MSM going after the Democrats for "escalating the cycle of rhetoric"?????
If the tables were turned, the MSM would be bemoaning the "increasing partisanship and lack of civility" at this point.
The Democrats are Pros
Tue, 10/02/2007 - 20:36 ET by pbthinkerThe Democrats are pros at this. They've specialized in "high tech lynchings" since 1987, when they Borked, Judge Bork. The get away with it because they have the support of the media.
The problem, with this one is, they may have bit off more than they can chew. Limbaugh has 3 hours and a national audience approaching 20 million, so he isn't going to lie down and play dead for them. Other people, that they've lynched, had to depend on getting the truth out with the MSM, in this case that's not true.
Never argue with an idiot. They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
pbthinker, Yes, and those
Tue, 10/02/2007 - 20:56 ET by msh1973pbthinker,
Yes, and those 20 million listeners won't roll over and play dead either. If any of the stations even talk about getting rid of him, the outcry will be massive!
Scumbags like Reid and
Tue, 10/02/2007 - 20:38 ET by fitzfongScumbags like Reid and Harkin are so transparently dishonest that they don't even believe themselves. This "controversy" doesn't even pass the laugh test, yet these idiots keep digging. Please, keep digging some more, you're only making yourselves look stupid. And keep having your pathetic sock puppets like Alan Colmes, Stephanie Miller, Wolfie Blitzer and Donna Brazille carry your water publicly...we're laughing at your expense.
It may not pass a laugh test fitz, but the left is dead serious
Tue, 10/02/2007 - 20:45 ET by RJAnd willing to pursue illegal avenues to achieve their goal. Today, Reid called the President of Limbaugh's syndication in an attempt to get him fired.
That's a US Senator, using his office to pursue a vendetta against a private citizen. Because, it's pretty clear that this is Reid's payback for Limbaugh repeatedly calling him Dusty Harry and ridiculing him for his illegal real estate deals.
And Harkin the Phony Soldier attacking Limbaugh?
Tue, 10/02/2007 - 20:48 ET by RJWhen Harkin is well-known for his own serial lies about his military service? The hypocricacy is mind-boggling.
Iowa's embarrassment in the Senate
Tue, 10/02/2007 - 21:11 ET by nkviking75I'm embarrassed to be from the state that keeps sending that moron Harkin back election after election. I'm also worried because I'm not aware of any Republican so much as thinking about running against him next year. Congressman Steve King, please run!
A quick Google of "Harkin Limbaugh" seems to indicate that most Iowa media, with the exception of the statewide network Radio Iowa, is shielding Harkin from his latest stupidity by ignoring his speech on the Senate floor. Radio Iowa is spinning like mad for Harkin.
Harkin too should be censured.
When you put the clowns in charge, don't be surprised when a circus breaks out.
Harkin is as big an
Tue, 10/02/2007 - 21:21 ET by fitzfongHarkin is as big an embarrassment as Feinstein, Boxer, Clinton, Kerry, Schumer, Durbin, Reid or Feingold. The fact that this creep has any job, not to mention pulling down the coin as a multi-term U.S. Senator and former Presidential (!!!??!!!!????!!!) candidate is a joke. He's often forgotten because there are so many other socialist creeps on that side of the aisle to mock. But his tortured speech at the cringe-worthy Wellstone Memorial should have sent Harkin permanently to the scrap heap of bad ideas. A bitter, irrelevant excuse for a man.
TOM HARKIN: FAKE WAR HERO
Wed, 10/03/2007 - 09:40 ET by Sergeant ROCKIn 1979, Mr. Harkin, then a congressman, participated in a round-table discussion arranged by the Congressional Vietnam Veterans' Caucus. "I spent five years as a Navy pilot, starting in November of 1962," Mr. Harkin said at that meeting, in words that were later quoted in a book, Changing of the Guard, by Washington Post political writer David Broder. "One year was in Vietnam. I was flying F-4s and F-8s on combat air patrols and photo-reconnaisance support missions. I did no bombing."
That clearly is not an accurate picture of his Navy service. Though Mr. Harkin stresses he is proud of his Navy record -- "I put my ass on the line day after day" -- he concedes now he never flew combat air patrols in Vietnam. . . .
Mr. Harkin's Navy record shows his only decoration is the National Defense Service Medal, awarded to everyone on active service during those years. He did not receive either the Vietnam Service medal or the Vietnam Campaign medal, the decorations given to everyone who served in the Southeast Asia theater. "We didn't get them for what we did," Mr. Harkin says. "It's never bothered me."
TOM HARKIN: FAKE WAR HERO
Indoctrinate-U
Our Education. Their Politics.
Wanna talk about phoney
Wed, 10/03/2007 - 10:31 ET by BDWanna talk about phoney soldiers?
Just look into the Winter Soldiers meeting that John Kerry led in its testimony before congress. Most of those folks were either not veterans of the war in Vietnam or even veterans of the military at all.
Phony Soldiers - Real democRATS
Wed, 10/03/2007 - 10:37 ET by Sergeant ROCKWhich is probably why Kerry had the sense to keep his mouth shut on this issue - unlike Harkin.
Indoctrinate-U
Our Education. Their Politics.
Yeah, he does not want
Wed, 10/03/2007 - 14:58 ET by BDYeah, he does not want quote like this to surface:
We will not quickly join those who march on Veterans' Day waving small flags, calling to memory those thousands who died for the "greater glory of the United States." We will not accept the rhetoric. We will not readily join the American Legion and the Veterans of Foreign Wars -- in fact, we will find it hard to join anything at all and when we do, we will demand relevancy such as other organizations have recently been unable to provide. We will not take solace from the creation of monuments or the naming of parks after a select few of the thousands of dead Americans and Vietnamese. We will not uphold traditions which decorously memorialize that which was base and grim.
-- John Kerry, in "The New Soldier"
NO WONDER HARKIN WAS
Wed, 10/03/2007 - 10:39 ET by TruthMongerNO WONDER HARKIN WAS DESPERATE TO CHANGE THE SUBJECT FROM PHONY SOLDIERS:)
...to cheap shots against recovering addicts
THE AA COMMUNITY SALUTES YOU (WITH ONE FINGER), SENATOR HARKIN
what a fine role model for our children he isn't
RJ, that's "Dingy Harry."
Tue, 10/02/2007 - 20:50 ET by motherbeltRJ, that's "Dingy Harry." LOL
But you're right about one thing, if it's true. If Dingy Harry really called Clear Channel to try to get Rush fired, that has got to be the most most egregious attempted abuse of power, ever.
The Senate should censure Reid for his act.
Tue, 10/02/2007 - 20:56 ET by RJI imagine it's true, motherbelt, because Chris Matthews, who is no friend of Rush, said Reid was wrong to do it.
Reid should be censured for that act. Where are the outraged Republicans?
And you're right. Dingy Harry it is......
still waiting for that
Wed, 10/03/2007 - 10:41 ET by TruthMongerstill waiting for that "torturing US soldiers" censure of Dick Turbin...
the most most egregious attempted abuse of power, ever
Tue, 10/02/2007 - 21:39 ET by HypocriteHaterThis comes in a close second.
The left is doing everything they can to silence conservative speech in order to influence an election, and it's pissing me off!
I hope Savage sues.
Wed, 10/03/2007 - 00:32 ET by well99That would be awesome
OK, all together now..........
Wed, 10/03/2007 - 00:31 ET by Scout FinchIf some leftist from Air America said something unpatriotic against the troops (happens every day) and a Republican senator or congressman appeared on the floor with a resolution against them, they would be treated how? by the media and Democrats?
Hey, Harry! How's that screen door smacked against your forehead feel now?
RJ, It's Dingy Harry.
Tue, 10/02/2007 - 20:55 ET by fitzfongRJ,
It's Dingy Harry. And believe me, I don't take his Marxist tactics lightly. But the average American is usually intelligent enough to see through this crap. Besides, most Democrat strategists don't want to touch this "controversy" with a ten foot pole. They want this to go away. But (G)Reid is so deperate to placate the nutjobs on the left that he's going to subject himself to further public humiliation. They are so cocky right now that they don't think they can possibly step in it...they're about to have a rude awakening.
You and motherbelt are right, fitz.
Tue, 10/02/2007 - 20:58 ET by RJDingy Harry it is.....and he STILL should be censured.
Personally, I like the "frog
Tue, 10/02/2007 - 21:07 ET by fitzfongPersonally, I like the "frog marched" to jail in handcuffs idea.
This is great that we can
Tue, 10/02/2007 - 20:52 ET by DCC1This is great that we can see this, but what bothers me is the people that don't dig as far as we do, see this and the drive by media not even attempt to give the conservative viewpoint, I guess it's nothing new, but I feel like it is stacked so far against us, it might be pointless.
Crazies to the left, and Whimps to the right
I was watching Hardball
Tue, 10/02/2007 - 20:43 ET by LighthouseJI was watching Hardball earlier this evening where Mathews had two radio talk show hosts, a woman and an older man and it got pretty heated.
Like most of us, the woman was obviously exhausted at chasing down all the massive inaccuracies advanced by the left. The older guy was the shining leftist shill, he had all the classic uninformed talking points and he just repeated them while dodging questions. It got to the point where you could imagine he rehearsed in the green room from an eight-point notecard George Soros gave him the day before. He jappears just to repeat the list over and over like a tape recording.
The most heinous thing happened right at the end. Chris noted how heated the discussion got then asked them both some benign question they both could, and did, agree on. Chris ended the segment by saying "so, we all agree that Limbaugh was wrong" or something exactly like that. It was such a cowardly and feeble attempt at self-reinforcement that I felt unclean from even viewing it.
"Boats are safe in the harbor, but that's not what they're made for." -- Maritime quote
Thats the kind of thing
Tue, 10/02/2007 - 20:57 ET by DCC1Thats the kind of thing that is happening more and more, not just from the leftist loonies over at ms and cnn but in more and more of the evening "news" casts and everywhere.
Crazies to the left, and Whimps to the right
I've commented on several
Tue, 10/02/2007 - 20:47 ET by Richard RomanoI've commented on several other blogs -- and this thing is becoming childish and pathetic. Rush defends and supports the troops in more ways than Kerry, Reid, and Co. could ever dream.
Where was this similar outrage when a real soldier was smeared by a rotten leftist slime machine? Where was it? This is a joke -- nothing more than hyper-partisanship. America, wake up -- these people are a laughing stock; they cannot rule, they MUST NOT rule.
Send an email to Reid
Tue, 10/02/2007 - 21:44 ET by RousseI sent an email to Sen. Reid's office ... just one line:
"Say it to his face."
I don't live in Nevada, but his on-line email system let me change from Nevada to my state.
"To most of us Jack Murtha
Tue, 10/02/2007 - 21:44 ET by Johnnye B"To most of us Jack Murtha is a courageous American who stood up and fought for his country."
You notice that the statement is in pass tense.? I know one thing for sure. He's not doing it in the present. All he's doing now is selling out the country to a bunch of ragheads while in the middle of a war. I guess to liberals that's being courageous.
I thought once a Marine always a Marine. I guess Jack never got the memo.
It has been pointed out on
Tue, 10/02/2007 - 22:16 ET by MikeBIt has been pointed out on this site many times that Murtha was a courageous American who had stood up and fought for his country. That was then, this is now. Now he is a traitor who gives aid and comfort to the enemy of his country by slandering active duty soldiers serving in a combat zone. But, hey, General Arnold (Benedict, not Hap) stood up and fought for his country, too. Then, he turned around and gave aid and comfort to the enemy by selling the plans of West Point to the British. But, whatever you do, don't question Murtha's patriotism, because he was a Marine 50 years ago.
"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." Ronald Reagan
Oh puuullllleeeeze...
Tue, 10/02/2007 - 21:45 ET by dervishThis situation could not possibly be more absurd. I'm no fan of Rush, as he's the one guy in broadcasting who by comparison can make O'Reilly seem modest. But say what you will about him, Rush speaks in very clear English.
If he had intended to call anti-war veterans cowards or
traitors, as the left wishes to have us believe, he would have done so.
On the other hand, "phony" has a clear meaning -- someone pretending to
be what he is not. The word very precisely applies to Macbeth and
perhaps a couple of Democrat senators, but used to describe
anti-war veterans it makes no sense. Rush should explain this, very slowly, in short sentences with no more than two syllables per word.
(Cutting and pasting from another program sort of freaks this one out, doesn't it?)
You can dispense with the
Tue, 10/02/2007 - 22:06 ET by fitzfongYou can dispense with the qualifiers. Saying you're no fan of Rush is a little like a racist saying "I have a lot of black friends". You're on solid ground just speaking your piece. There's no point in Rush explaining it...the left-wing kooks are looking to intentionally "misunderstand" it. If the purpose of his explaining it to that riff-raff is to get them to understand his statements in context, he'd be wasting his breath. Stay strong.
Eh?
Tue, 10/02/2007 - 22:52 ET by dervishYeah, it's very little like that, since I'm on Rush's side, but I concede that it's beside the point.
Rush has already been wasting breath for two days trying to prove the context of what he said, and his efforts to clarify have only been played up as evidence that he really knows he made a mistake and won't admit it. My point is that the very word "phony" made his meaning obvious, regardless of context. Calling an anti-war veteran a "phony soldier" would be as empty an insult as calling Reid a "phony senator." When Rush intends to insult someone, he does a much better job than that.
Everyone knows they're twisting his words. So why give them even more words to twist?
Let's review your post, dervish..........
Wed, 10/03/2007 - 00:40 ET by Scout FinchRush has already been wasting breath for two days trying to prove the context of what he said, and his efforts to clarify have only been played up as evidence that he really knows he made a mistake and won't admit it.....Everyone knows they're twisting his words.
Your own words contradict your post, dervish. Rush made no mistake. Media Matters took him out of context, twisted his words. If you had your own show for three hours each afternoon, wouldn't you try to clear your name and goodwill too?
Absolutely, I agree.
Wed, 10/03/2007 - 11:10 ET by dervishIf you reread, it was fitzfong that says Rush is wasting time defending himself. I merely suggest a more effective way to do it. There was NOTHING WRONG with what he said, on its face. So stop already with the "ABC said it too" and "we talked about Jesse Macbeth later" attempts to justify it; it's Kerry-esque, and it's unnecessary.
"Phony soldier" has a clear meaning and it doesn't apply to anti-war vets. 'Nuff said.
Hey, dervish, I didn't say
Wed, 10/03/2007 - 13:04 ET by fitzfongHey, dervish, I didn't say he was "wasting time defending himself". I said that the left and much of the media were going to deliberately "misunderstand" what he said in the first place. They have cast their "interpretation" of what he said in concrete...and they're not going to correct the false stories they've run with on the issue. Limbaugh's intention in discussing this phony story has nothing to do with backtracking, publicly "defending himself" or clarifying so that Media Matter's secretaries in the press and the Senate will correct themselves. He knows that that would be wasting his breath. Limbaugh is using the pathetic and predictable "reactions" of the Democrats in the Senate and the media to illustrate to his audience how the left deliberately distorts the facts to advance their own bankrupt agenda. His discussion of the issue on his own show is for the benefit of his audience...not to placate those who are vested in misrepresenting his words. But apparently you wouldn't know that since you don't listen.
Oh, by the way, since you don't listen, how do you know what kind of defense Limbaugh is putting up on his radio show? He's not doing interviews that I'm aware of, so his only method of disseminating information is through his show and website. Your suggestion that Limbaugh is being "Kerry-esque" is incredibly lazy and ill-informed. Kerry said something grossly offensive, then made a lame attempt to defend what he said...only making him sound worse. So he hid in the background while the DNC concocted a defense of what he "meant to say"...the "botched joke" defense. Limbaugh said something entirely accurate. Then Hillary's front group deliberately misinterpreted what he said. Some of the self-righteous media picked it up, passed it on to hacks like Reid and Harkin to blow it out of all proportion (Reid and Harkin instead made themselves look foolish by over-selling a weak case on the Senate floor). Limbaugh has essentially been mocking them on air ever since. And, unlike Kerry, Limbaugh HAS NOT BACKED DOWN from his statement. 'Nuff said.
My apologies.
Wed, 10/03/2007 - 16:42 ET by dervishWhat you said was, "There's no point in Rush explaining it," but I'll buy your expansion of what you actually meant. And you're right. Honestly, I'm trying real hard to make you see that I agree with you.
You can't be serious that I would have to listen to Rush to know what he's been saying -- at least a third of this website has been devoted to it for the past few days, it's all over FoxNews, and I've followed links to Rush's website to read the transcripts myself. He said what he said, and to me, the logical response to these attacks is, "Where in the world do you get that?" Calling anti-war vets "phony" wouldn't have been an insult, it would have been inane -- as if he had called them "purple" -- and Rush is rarely if ever guilty of saying inane things.
Imagine that they had said that Rush calling Reid "Dingy Harry," means that he's calling for Reid to be assassinated. He wouldn't need to point out that it's a joke reference to the Eastwood movies, or that he's never called for anyone to be assassinated, or that others on the left have openly wished for the death of Republicans. He would just say that that interpretation of what he said is absurd.
I know he's tried to say that, but he's also released a transcript that had two minutes edited out of it (according to FoxNews.com); I KNOW the two minutes were irrelevant, but it left him open to MM's claim that he was trying to put the Jesse Macbeth discussion closer to his comment than it really was. I don't know if Rush said it on air, but his own website on Friday linked to an article about ABC radio using the exact same words without being criticized, and that is the sort of defense I meant as "Kerry-esque" -- obfuscating what was actually said with irrelevant references to what other people say. (And yes, that was purposely inflammatory.) His audience doesn't need that kind of explanation, and it only makes it easier for his enemies to portray him as backtracking when (I agree!) he hasn't, shouldn't, and doesn't need to.
He only needs the "McLintock!" defense: "I said what I said and I'll stand by it to the death."
dervish, Rush basically
Wed, 10/03/2007 - 17:14 ET by fitzfongdervish,
Rush basically had two choices: 1) ignore this phony story entirely or 2) come out fighting and expose the fake indignation for what it is. Either way, the so-called "mainstream media" was going to run with the deliberate misrepresentation ad nauseum. Anyone who remembers how the parasites in the media handled his rehab, the subsequent prosecution, the settlement and the airport "incident" knows that they were going run their biased stories around the clock whether he responded or not. When you consider the gutless response of Republicans to recent media witch hunts, Rush's defense has been refreshing.
I am no Rush fan.
Wed, 10/03/2007 - 00:42 ET by well99I dont listen to him and dont want to.I will stick with the qualifer.Back OT.There is a right and wrong.These smear jobs are wrong.They are purposely distorting what he said.Right or left it doesnt matter that is a crock of s###.That is what ticks me off.
Um ... ditto?
Wed, 10/03/2007 - 11:10 ET by dervishUm ... ditto?
dervish... LOL! Get
Wed, 10/03/2007 - 11:13 ET by Clear thinkerdervish...
LOL!
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Nobody said you had to be a
Wed, 10/03/2007 - 13:15 ET by fitzfongNobody said you had to be a Rush fan. It just sounds smug and self-congratulatory when people eagerly feel the need to set themselves apart from those that do listen. But if it makes you feel morally superior, by all means...
I agree with you that the smears are wrong, though. Not that you'd be losing any sleep over that.
I dont care how it
Wed, 10/03/2007 - 17:35 ET by well99I dont care how it sounds.The point was that I am not for him or against him as a radio personality.That isnt complicated.You can make it that way if you want.Lets put it in simple terms.Distorting what someone says is bs.That is the bottom line.Feel free to add what you want to that statement.Since you seem to on the other ones.Were you ever a 2nd LT?
I'll stand by my statement
Wed, 10/03/2007 - 20:56 ET by fitzfongI'll stand by my statement and leave it at that.
The Truth comes out...
Tue, 10/02/2007 - 22:23 ET by Tom1969caReally?
So, if 1.3 million soldiers have served in Iraq, Donna Brazile would have us believe that 85% of them have joined MoveOn.org? What about the astounding rate at which Iraq War veterans are supposedly re-upping? Why reenlist to go back if you're opposed to the war (as Donna Brazile claims at least 85% of them are)?
Of course, if the 600,000 figure is closer to the truth, then Brazile's "one third" figure is obviously something she made up because it sounded good...
'Nuff said.
Memo to Ms. Brazile: Your proctologist called. They found your head.
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If you don't stand behind our troops, feel free to stand in front of them!
Liberal Propaganda? Or Math?
Wed, 10/03/2007 - 22:58 ET by Sergeant ROCKGood point. Reminds me of whats-his-face - the democRAT from GA, talking about sharks still swimming the slave ship routes.
Anyway, Republicans should counter this by saying that 1/3 of liberals are pro-life and pro-gun. And 1/3 of gays are actually 'straight'.
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Our Education. Their Politics.
Zen..
Tue, 10/02/2007 - 22:36 ET by BigBYou know the real good thing about people like Bill Bennett and Dennis Prager? They can have a debate with the most nasty, ignorant, hate spewing moonbats you can imagine...and they remain calm and collected. I did see Prager get a little bit pissed when he was going at it with Mike Farrell when they were getting ready to fry TOOKIE...HEH!! Speaking of that simpering prick, where has he been lately??? No doubt standing up for the rights of all child molesters and murderers in the land of fruits and nuts..Go BJ!!! MASH em' you manly man.....
Another thing that comes to mind is that video of the Popular Mechanics guys taking on the WhackBags from Loose Change....On the one hand, you have the little short dork with the All Pro Spitting Gap just on the verge of going balistic and peeing all over himself while the PM guys are just looking at him like he's a turd in a punch bowl...
Therz a website out there...Liberalism is Logic's Retarded Cousin..And Today's Left is What Ran Down the Crack of It's Momma's Ass...
Now, this might sting just a little bit.....
First, instead of letting a
Tue, 10/02/2007 - 22:38 ET by karris56First, instead of letting a left wing outfit determine what Rush meant the media should have asked Rush himself. If they still want to play games like the left is he should then ask "does anyone really believe I would call anyone in the military a phony soldier"? Besides being reprehensible to what I have ever said it would also be very stupid.Does the media think I am stupid? The first thing the left would do (as they always do) is get as many wounded vets who are against the war as possible and have them denounce me." I have already seen such an ad.These people are despictable.I saw Wesley Clark on msnbc and he said only the right use the war for politics.What do you call this and how about all the chickenhawk comments?
Rush ... should then ask
Tue, 10/02/2007 - 23:52 ET by Tom1969caYes, they do. He's a conservative. Therefore, the media thinks he's stupid.
Always remember the liberal mindset: "There are two kinds of people in America - people who agree with us, and people who are wrong."
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If you don't stand behind our troops, feel free to stand in front of them!
Judge them by their fruits....
Tue, 10/02/2007 - 23:19 ET by tbbaxterI never trust people who only talk the talk, however I do believe those who walk the walk. Rush Limbaugh is consistent in his support of the troops, he is consistent in raising money for the troops, and he is consistent in his defense of the troops. I believe Rush Limbaugh. Democrats like Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi and John Murtha have consistently criticized our troops, called them murderers and threatened to withhold funding from the military while our soldiers are facing death in a foreign country. I don't believe a word the Democrats say. These people are as disgusting and reprehensible as the words that come out of their mouth.
Does anyone here think that
Wed, 10/03/2007 - 00:27 ET by rbosqueDoes anyone here think that the MSM and the dems really care about the troops?
It's all a big pile of crap.
The troops know. They
Wed, 10/03/2007 - 09:12 ET by kathleenirishThe troops know. They know who they can rely on, who they can trust, and who will stab them in the back every time. The LEFT will stoop as low as they can go in sliming our military day in and out to further their own power aspirations. Our brave and dedicated troops are bright, shining examples of our great country, and I am so proud and grateful to them for their service and dedication to preserving our freedoms. Although, didn't the genius John Kerry basically call them, "uneducated" and worse? Oh, yeah, and he said they reign terror upon Iraqi citizens, amongst other utterings of clear contempt for the troops there. Oh, and what was that lying testimony to a congressional committee about our troops in Viet Nam, with your pompous accent back in '72, JF'nKerry? Did you conspire illegally and treasonously with the Viet Cong in France? Did you embellish your resume in Viet Nam? Get this everyone: Who do you think got to speak first at Hanscom AFB when a National Guard medical wing returned from duty in Iraq this week? "Live Shot" Kerry!!! I couldn't watch, I was about to hurl.
All these despicable Democrats should shove their phony, pretend outrage over Rush's comments, which were distorted purposefully and blatantly by Hillary's hit squad at Media Matters, et al, straight up their scumbag arses. They would send their own grannies up the river for their own political gain. Beyond disgusting, wretched! Beyond the pale!!!
I didn't think I could despise the MSM and the Left any more than I already do, but after this malarky by Reid and Harkin and their stooge MSM butt-buddies, is going to make me actively seek their removal from office, which until now I really didn't get involved in pursuing.
Go to Hell, Harry Reid. Shame on all of you, lefty losers!
Anyone who says they support the troops but not the mission is a liar.
Nope.
Wed, 10/03/2007 - 09:15 ET by Sergeant ROCKYou mean the same democRATS, aided and abetted by their willing accomplices in the MSM, that tried to throw out military votes in 2004? Those democRATS??
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}}---> Yup
Wed, 10/03/2007 - 09:17 ET by Cool ArrowThat's the ones.
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Wolf Blitzer is dense
Wed, 10/03/2007 - 10:17 ET by desertdwellerSounds like Wolf Blitzer will claim an "ignorance defense." Ignorance that there has been any publicity given to Phony Soldiers.
He doesn't know about these low-lifes, so when someone uses the phrase (Wolf doesn't know about ABC, either), he hears "soldiers are phony."
Maybe he hasn't heard of Islamism, either.
ingorance is blitz
Wed, 10/03/2007 - 10:18 ET by TruthMongeringorance is blitz
That..
Wed, 10/03/2007 - 11:13 ET by dervishshould be on a T-shirt.
i got a millions ideas -
Wed, 10/03/2007 - 12:05 ET by TruthMongeri got a millions ideas - take it
http://www.cafepress.com