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On the Wednesday, June 10, Beck show on FNC, during an interview with host Glenn Beck, actor John Voight informed viewers that he decided to abandon his left-wing past partly because he blamed the "Marxist" anti-war movement of the Vietnam War era for causing the "slaughter" in South Vietnam and Cambodia after America pulled out of the region. After recounting that "I was surrounded by people who were very heavily programmed Marxist, and I didn't even realize it at the time that this was communist-based stuff, you know, that the communists were behind organizing all of these rallies and things," Voight continued:
And then I saw the end of the war. I saw us pull out, and then I saw the communists move in and slaughter 2 1/2 million people in South Vietnam and Cambodia. And I saw the left that had precipitated this turn away, just walk away from it. ... They didn't take seriously the blood that they had been directly causing. And it didn't – but I must say programming is very, very deep. And I didn't really pull out of it for quite a while afterward. But that's where the dime dropped and things started to happen. And then I , you know, then 9/11, of course.
Below is a complete transcript of the interview from the Wednesday, June 10, Beck show on FNC:
Story Continues Below Ad ↓JON VOIGHT CLIP FROM REPUBLICAN FUNDRAISER: Obama really thinks he's a soft-spoken Julius Caesar. He thinks he's going to conquer the world with his soft-spoken sweet talk and really thinks he's going to bring all the enemies of the world into a little playground where they’ll swing each other back and forth.
GLENN BECK: Jon Voight over the weekend at this political fundraiser. Jon, how are you, sir?
VOIGHT: Great.
BECK: A guy who has been speaking out for quite some time, and I appreciate that.
VOIGHT: I appreciate you, too.
BECK: You've got to be taking heat. Are you ever going to work again?
VOIGHT: Well, someone said on a program on CNN that it would be a miracle if I worked again. And, of course, look, if the Hollywood crowd wants to go back to the '50s, if they haven't learned a lesson and they want to blacklist somebody, well, that's what will happen. But my losing a job is not so important. I can take care of myself pretty good and I'll be okay. But I'm concerned about the millions of people who will lose jobs, who are losing jobs, who have children, and they need those jobs to feed their families. Listen, it’s a serious time. So I'm not so worried about myself.
BECK: You were, first of all, do you think it was a coincidence that you were blown up at the end of 24?
VOIGHT, LAUGHING: Talk about prophecy.
BECK: That's right. You were a lefty in the '60s.
VOIGHT: I was, mm-hmm.
BECK: What woke you up?
VOIGHT: Well, you know, I came into celebrity in the end of the '60s, and I was surrounded by people who were very heavily programmed Marxist. And I didn't even realize it at the time that this was communist-based stuff, you know, that the communists were behind organizing all of these rallies and things. And I was swept up in that hysteria. And then, and I'm ashamed to say it, you know, I was in that group. And then I saw the end of the war. I saw us pull out, and then I saw the communists move in and slaughter 2 1/2 million people in South Vietnam and Cambodia. And I saw the left that had precipitated this turn away, just walk away from it.
BECK: It is so funny. I talked to David Horowitz just a couple of years ago. And he said that was the turning point for him, too. He said they walked away and he was like, "Wait, wait, wait, wait, I thought we believed in something."
VOIGHT: Right.
BECK: There is a lack of intellectual honesty.
VOIGHT: They didn't take seriously the blood that they had been directly causing. And it didn’t – but I must say programming is very, very deep. And I didn't really pull out of it for quite a while afterward. But that's where the dime dropped and things started to happen. And then I , you know, then 9/11, of course.
BECK: Back with Jon Voight, next.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
BECK: We're back with actor Jon Voight, who is quite outspoken, has become quite outspoken lately. We were just talking in the break that, I mean, we're on a pace to lose, do you believe we're losing capitalism? Or can we lose capitalism?
VOIGHT: We're losing so much. This man, Obama, is not only, you know, has not only set himself to redistribute the wealth of the middle class. He also is set to take over, control the industrial wealth of the country with banks and with, you know, the major corporations, with foreign companies.
BECK: Frightening stuff. Do you play 60-second rapid fire?
VOIGHT: I'll try. Anything you want. I say that, what the heck is it?
BECK: This is easy, 60 seconds. Put it on the block. Here we go. Rapid fire with Jon Voight. Here we go. Is fame overrated?
VOIGHT: Yes.
BECK: Is anonymity underrated?
VOIGHT: Probably, yes. I wouldn't know about it.
BECK: If Jon Voight now could talk to Jon Voight in the 1960s, what would you tell him?
VOIGHT: I would say, "Hold on, fella. You're way off base."
BECK: Pink's Hot Dogs or In-N-Out Burger?
VOIGHT: In-N-Out.
BECK: Wow, you're really, you’re not a burger guy. You’re not a fast food. Jon Voight doesn't pull up to the fast food restaurants. Name a Republican you trust in Washington.
VOIGHT: Mitt Romney, Paul Ryan.
BECK: Name a Democrat you trust in Washington?
VOIGHT: Joe Lieberman.
BECK: Your favorite Founding Father?
VOIGHT: Thomas Jefferson.
BECK: Fill in the blank. I want to be remembered for:
VOIGHT: For leaving the world a better place.
BECK: If you could force all Americans to read one book, what book would it be?
[BECK STARTS LAUGHING BECAUSE VOIGHT IS HOLDING BECK’S BOOK]
VOIGHT, HOLDING UP BECK’S BOOK: Glenn Beck's Common Sense.
BECK: No, no. Seriously.
VOIGHT: Hot off the press.
BECK: I know. You haven't read it yet.
VOIGHT: Well, I'll tell you. You know, I'm sure it's going to be great. I really like Mark Levin's Liberty and Tyranny.
BECK: Yeah, I hear good things about it. Thank you very much, sir.
VOIGHT: It's great to see you.
BECK: Good to see you. Safe travels.
—Brad Wilmouth is a news analyst at the Media Research Center.




BECK: It is so funny. I talked to David Horowitz just a couple of years ago. And he said that was the turning point for him, too. He said they walked away and he was like, "Wait, wait, wait, wait, I thought we believed in something."














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I'm not sure I understand
June 22, 2009 - 17:28 ET by Another Dead KennedyI'm not sure I understand the point of this story. I get 2 things from the interview:
1) Jon Voight turned conservative over 30 years ago.
2) Glenn Beck seems to think In-N-Out Burger isn't a fast food burger joint, and doesn't think Voight likes burgers because he prefers In-N-Out burger to Pink's hot dogs.
What I get from your comment.
June 22, 2009 - 17:36 ET by BuzzyKDW what I get from your post is your f'n stupid. But then again so are most of your posts. Why not stay on the dud kos or huff n blow, you really just waste space here.
By the way I have my own KDW and a big party is planned when Ted finally bites the big one.
Wow, you're kind of an
June 22, 2009 - 17:57 ET by Another Dead KennedyWow, you're kind of an a-hole. Hoping someone dies? That's kind of morbid. Given that we don't know each other here, and this is your first time responding to one of my posts, I'll let you go.
Next time you respond to a post, make sure you have something substantive to offer, a little bit more than simple name calling.
Hoping someone dies?
June 23, 2009 - 05:11 ET by BDHoping someone dies? That's kind of morbid.
Well if that's all you got
June 22, 2009 - 18:12 ET by gmaniac1Well if that's all you got from this story you're either being coy and/or do not have the ability to understand public civil discourse.
When the people fear the government it's called tyranny, when the government fears the people it's called liberty!
There's no story here.
June 22, 2009 - 18:23 ET by Another Dead KennedyThere's no story here. They simply repeated what was in every other Jon Voight story. We know he's a conservative, this is not news. Tell me, what profound piece of information did you get from the interview?
And to anyone who thinks Jon Voight is going to be blacklisted for speaking out on politics, you know nothing about Hollywood. These are the most spoiled, self centered humans on this earth. Money, money, money! If Voight will make them money, they'll put him in a movie. His political beliefs won't make a difference.
The story may not be much
June 22, 2009 - 20:36 ET by gmaniac1The story may not be much for you but others who like to see why one changed their political ideology from one extreme to the next is sometimes a compelling story. We've discussed several righties that have become lefties on here. It just depends how open minded you want to be and what degree that you may want to learn something, right or wrong. And as far as getting a job in Hollywood it's obviously left, and it ain't even close. Now, Voigt's status and credibility as an actor will get him by but others not so much. It has happened before so what makes you think it won't happen again?
When the people fear the government it's called tyranny, when the government fears the people it's called liberty!
Just two things off the
June 23, 2009 - 05:14 ET by BDJust two things off the top:
1.) Voight realizes that the leftist anti-war protests of the 1960's were largely influenced by the Sov block.
2.) By participating in those protests he realizes the american left is/was complicit in the deaths and enslavement of millions in Southeast asia as well as weakening the west.
Wow, very good synopsis and
June 23, 2009 - 07:37 ET by gmaniac1Wow, very good synopsis and a honest one at that.
When the people fear the government it's called tyranny, when the government fears the people it's called liberty!
Leftist in this country are typically anti-American & did not
June 23, 2009 - 13:59 ET by pahubercare about the murdering of others by Castro, NVA or VC, North Korea, etc.
They only want WHAT they want, WHEN they want it and everybody else be damned.
Oh, and if you do not agree with them??? see below.
Another, REPEAT, another educator in this country had to take the school to court to get reinstated after being wrongfully terminated by some leftist jackass (Fox News). This, as I have said, goes on all the time and is all too frequent.
I am going to point this out every time it happens from now on.
Get Real
June 23, 2009 - 09:37 ET by EllisWyatt"His political beliefs won't make a difference."
Right. That's why Carrie Prejean is being treated so well by the entertainment industry just for giving her honest opinion on a policy. I'm a supporter of gay marriage and even I think the way she is being treated is disgraceful.
He may not be blacklisted, but Big Hollywood has other ways of punishing those who don't conform to the party line.
On another point, if you're so offended by "hoping someone dies" then why is your username "Kennedy Death Watch"?
If you're not outraged at the media, you haven't been paying attention.
Carrie Prejean isn't part of
June 23, 2009 - 11:49 ET by Another Dead KennedyCarrie Prejean isn't part of Hollywood. Let's not confuse the things here - she's a beauty queen who won a beauty pageant. Hollywood doesn't care about her, nor should they. She's not an actress or a musician. She's a beauty queen.
Also, you need to realize there's a separation in Hollywood between actors and everyone else who makes the shows. We have very little in common with actors, and they do not speak for us. Actors do not make the movies - they show up for a few hours here and there and return to their trailers, while the rest of us "make" the show. We don't care about Voight's politics because it doesn't affect our product. If he can make us money, we'll use him. Everyone said Tom Cruise would be finished after his Scientology tirades, but look what happened - since then he's made some of the highest grossing movies of the past few years, and he's taken over a Hollywood studio. Voight's gonna be fine.
You are thinking in a vacuum KDW. Using tom cruise as an
June 23, 2009 - 14:02 ET by pahuberillustration makes no sense when addressing the discrimination that is taking place against those who take a stand for what is right. Tom & scientology love money... the others that we are discussing are taking a principled stand regardless of money.
This is very hard for many liberals to understand since money is their god.
Pahuber! You're back!
June 23, 2009 - 14:09 ET by Another Dead KennedyPahuber! You're back! Which pahuber is it now? One of you makes short, annoying arguments, and the other makes long, bloated annoying arguments.
While I'm sure you'd love to see Hollywood blacklist these guys for speaking out politically just so you can say "I told you so," it's just not going to happen. Hollywood is not made up entirely of liberals (just like it's not made up entirely of Jews, despite the stereotype).
This is very hard for many liberals to understand since money is their god.
I thought Obama was our god? Or do we get 2 gods now?
"Pahuber! You're back!
June 23, 2009 - 14:21 ET by pahuber"Pahuber! You're back! Which pahuber is it now? One of you makes
short, annoying arguments, and the other makes long, bloated annoying
arguments."
I've never left, but I see you are still slinging it hard : )
"While I'm sure you'd love to see Hollywood blacklist these guys for
speaking out politically just so you can say "I told you so," it's just
not going to happen. Hollywood is not made up entirely of liberals
(just like it's not made up entirely of Jews, despite the stereotype)."
Why the typical leftist hyperbole, KDW?
No need for meltdown, KDW. Just a statement that rather rebuts your thinking.
I see you cannot be civil in your discourse, as usual.
You call that typical
June 23, 2009 - 14:33 ET by Another Dead KennedyYou call that typical leftist hyperbole? I thought typical meant tying Bush into it, then running away as soon as someone made a decent argument? Now you're supposed to tell me to go back to DKos or Huff Po.
In a few years when Voight is still making movies after not being blacklisted after all, I'll expect your apology. Or at least for you to tell me I was right after all.
KDW, re-read my original post to you THEN look at your response
June 23, 2009 - 14:48 ET by pahuberto me.
I will take your apology now : )
Doubt I will get it.
You can have my apology when
June 23, 2009 - 14:52 ET by Another Dead KennedyYou can have my apology when you pry it from my cold, dead...
Oh wait, that's your line.
KDW, I see you are acting like a clown instead of addressing my
June 23, 2009 - 15:01 ET by pahuberoriginal post or re-reading my post & your reply to it.
We here at NB's know why you will not address it and continue to dance around avoiding questions.
Please, re-read my post & then your reply to my post & see why you are regarded as a troll.
Keep up the name calling.
June 23, 2009 - 15:08 ET by Another Dead KennedyKeep up the name calling. I seem to remember you even calling Jer a troll, and pretty much everyone who knows him knows that's not true. But go ahead and ask me an actual question and I'll respond.
KDW, answer my question and quit acting like a clown.
June 23, 2009 - 15:27 ET by pahuberYou are acting like a clown. I never said you were a clown...
answer my original post.
Insert a question mark (?)
June 23, 2009 - 15:31 ET by Another Dead KennedyInsert a question mark (?) and I'll answer the question. So far you've failed to pose a question in response to my posts. Or am I supposed to answer a question you asked another member?
pah... The pop-up-trolls
June 23, 2009 - 14:38 ET by bigtimerpah...
The pop-up-trolls are a dime a dozen here anymore.
...so obvious too.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
3... 2... 1... There she is!
June 23, 2009 - 14:40 ET by Another Dead Kennedy3...
2...
1...
There she is! Making another non-argument.
Hi BT, yeah I see 'em... someone at NB needs to do some
June 23, 2009 - 14:46 ET by pahuberweeding as they are denigrating the forums here.
Oh I get it - you're one of
June 23, 2009 - 14:50 ET by Another Dead KennedyOh I get it - you're one of those "Free Speech" people. This person isn't making conservative arguments, so he needs to be banned from the site. Tell me, which other amendments to our constitution should we throw out the window while we're at it?
This is not a free speech issue, KDW. This is a private site
June 23, 2009 - 15:06 ET by pahuberand not government one. Therefore, your strange argument does not apply...
Anyhow, it's not about what you stand for it's the way you do it with attacks and innuendo of some sort of racism, etc etc
At least I'm not posting
June 23, 2009 - 15:14 ET by Another Dead KennedyAt least I'm not posting under multiple accounts. And I can assure you only one person is posting under KDW - me.
What does this mean, KDW???
June 23, 2009 - 15:28 ET by pahuber???? lol
BT, please explain to me
June 23, 2009 - 14:47 ET by JasonCBT, please explain to me how KDW is more of a troll than Pa. Or yourself, at least on this thread, for that matter. Oh, and now me.
No surprise, it's JasonC, again... Hey JasonC read KDW's & his
June 23, 2009 - 14:58 ET by pahuberresponse to my post here on this thread and tell me that you cannot see a difference to help you with your question.
JasonC, especially on this thread!
Have fun...
If you're talking about your
June 23, 2009 - 15:04 ET by Another Dead KennedyIf you're talking about your Tom Cruise argument, you're wrong. Hollywood doesn't blacklist people, period. I get this argument that Hollywood is bad, the evil liberal establishment brainwashing the mindless masses, but it's simply not valid. Tom Cruise's case, while not exactly political, is an excellent comparison. After he went nuts, people everyone was ready to write him off - ban him from Hollywood, no more career for ol' Tommy. But then they realized he's a good actor, and his personal life doesn't matter. He's an entertainer who can make them money, and that's what matters to Hollywood.
KDW
June 23, 2009 - 18:34 ET by danebramageYou're right that there is no list that gets passed around in Hollywood with the names of people who are to be denied work. There is no literal "blacklist." What there is, however, is the same clique-ishness we all experienced in high school...times one hundred. It's not as bad as it used to be, but people in Hollywood tend to be either "in" or "out," and such judgments are not by any means made solely on the basis of talent and marketability. If you're "out," you don't get invited to all the right parties and to lunch with all the right people, etc. That's the kind of "blacklisting" that has bedeviled Hollywood conservatives in the past. Thank God that's dying now. (There's a definite rightward shift taking place here as the reality of market forces seem to finally be weeding out the long-entrenched lefties.)
Which brings me to my second point: your claim that there has been no attempt by the evil liberal establishment to brainwash the mindless masses is laughable. Leaving aside the endless stream of lefty propaganda films like "Nixon" or "Lions and Lambs" that do nothing but lose money and alienate people and get made anyway and lavished with huge marketing campaigns, one has only to look at the flip side to get the full picture: "The Passion of the Christ." Anyone with an ounce of sense knew that film was going to be a huge blockbuster, yet no one in Hollywood would touch it--not even in a tentative, small-investment sort of way. It was totally blackballed; i.e. treated as if it didn't exist and as an object beneath the contempt of Hollywood sophisticates. Leaving aside the "evil Jews" argument, why do you suppose that is? Because studio execs are only interested in making money, as you claim? I think not.
What's your point? He's
June 23, 2009 - 15:05 ET by JasonCWhat's your point? He's the one who started the thread. He's a troll now for responding to detractors in a conversation that he started and about which he obviously has knowledge and experience? Yeah, that makes sense. And given how you tend to throw yourself into discussions by announcing yourself as the big badass troll bounty hunter, and in this thread made the less irritating but still pretty annoying decision to make obnoxious and unfounded blanket statements about liberals (money is our God? I thought we all hated capitalism and were straight up atheists!) I'm gonna say KDW wasn't exactly out of line.
JasonC, you ignored my point to you, entirely.
June 23, 2009 - 15:24 ET by pahuber"What's your point?"
- Are you kidding? It's pretty obvious that I posted a question to him and was answered in a way that seem very akin to what most would consider trollish or at the very least childish.
"He's the one who started the thread. He's a troll now for responding
to detractors in a conversation that he started and about which he
obviously has knowledge and experience?"
- ??? This has nothing to do with anything I have said.
"And given how you tend to throw yourself into discussions by announcing
yourself as the big badass troll bounty hunter, and in this thread made
the less irritating but still pretty annoying decision to make
obnoxious and unfounded blanket statements about liberals (money is our
God? I thought we all hated capitalism and were straight up atheists!"
'big badass troll bounty hunter'
- Back this up with a post. ANY POST.
I am calling you out on this one, JasonC. I have never said I was a troll hunter of any sort.
- In fact, JasonC I was trying to address KDW's comparison before his meltdown.
and in this thread made the less irritating but still pretty annoying
decision to make obnoxious and unfounded blanket statements about
liberals (money is our God? I thought we all hated capitalism and were
straight up atheists!) I'm gonna say KDW wasn't exactly out of line."
Big surprise... since you resort to the same attacks & posts like KDW I am not a bit surprised you agree with him however...
- JasonC why cant you address the question that I posed to you about the comparisons on this thread between me and KDW?
I believe it's because you know that I was correct and that you cannot and have not been able to make your point. You are pretty much flailing your crap about this n that all over w/o answering my question.
Easy enough.
You are making soooooo much
June 23, 2009 - 15:26 ET by Another Dead KennedyYou are making soooooo much up here. Again, please post your QUESTION.
What meltdown are you talking about? You're delusional.
Go back to my original post like I have stated at least twice to
June 23, 2009 - 15:32 ET by pahuberyou. READ it... and then look at your reply to MY POST, KDW.
Unless you agree with my contradictory post considering it's saying your argument lives in a vacuum.
1) There is no
June 23, 2009 - 15:35 ET by Another Dead Kennedy1) There is no discrimination towards conservatives in Hollywood, contrary to your personal beliefs.
2) There is no question posed in that post. I have further commented on Tom Cruise and why the argument is relative to this one. Instead of telling me to re-read your initial post to search for your question (which isn't there), just re-post the question already.
KDW, wouldn't this have been a better post to start with than
June 23, 2009 - 15:42 ET by pahuberyour post with the mockery and innuendo's etc?
"1) There is no discrimination towards conservatives in Hollywood, contrary to your personal beliefs."
None whatsoever hmmm? I believe you live in a vacuum...works great for science experiments, but so so much for real life.
"2) There is no question posed in that post. I have further commented
on Tom Cruise and why the argument is relative to this one. Instead of
telling me to re-read your initial post to search for your question
(which isn't there), just re-post the question already."
So great! You understand and agree with me that your logic is probably faulty, at best and not realistic since there is no argument that your logic lives in a vacuum? Ok, wow.
How's this: I live in
June 23, 2009 - 15:51 ET by Another Dead KennedyHow's this: I live in Hollywood. I work in Hollywood. And based on your argument, I know a hell of a lot more about the inner workings of Hollywood than you. I work with conservatives, liberals, and many in the middle.
Look at this list:
http://www.hollywood...
Conservatives in Hollywood. This argument is getting old.
KDW, first I do not accept your 'live there so there' argument.
June 23, 2009 - 16:11 ET by pahuberThat is a pretty childish argument.
Now for your list of 'conservatives'.....
OMG... 1st...you do know Charlton Heston is dead, right?
- Jesse Ventura a conservative? You've got to be kidding!!!! He is a liberal!
Arnold is a more to the left than right.
- R. Lee for crying out loud? He did a couple movies, but mostly mail call on the history channel.
- Pat Sajak? Game show host?
- Lisa Kenedy??? "Lisa is most famous as the host of the TV game show Friend or Foe" Thanks for clearing that up...lol
- When was the last time Magnum PI or Geral McRaney were relevant actors
I think your list includes those who are moderate to liberal and even if I granted you every living person on your list it would hardly prove your point considering those who are currently acting.
IOW's your list proves nothing compared to number of acting persons in hollywood today... Most would call it anecdotal evidence.
In that case, name ONE actor
June 23, 2009 - 16:14 ET by Another Dead KennedyIn that case, name ONE actor who can't get work right now because of his or her political beliefs.
KDW, Just because I cannot name one hw actor that has been
June 23, 2009 - 16:39 ET by pahuberdiscriminated against does not make your point accurate being that only those who have been discriminated against themselves would know the answer or maybe not...
"1) There is no discrimination towards conservatives in Hollywood, contrary to your personal beliefs."
I find this to be a weird general statement that cannot be proven.
I can name a few KDW
June 23, 2009 - 17:39 ET by general companyStarting with Ron Silver Why do you think most of the actors on your list are hardly known by most of us?
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Well...
June 23, 2009 - 21:41 ET by Georgia GirlI will not and cannot name-drop, so this is one of these things that ya'll will either believe or not, but it's the truth. I certainly wouldn't make it up! ^_^
One of the magazines I write for is on "famous grads." This has led to some story assignments on actors in Hollywood. I interview them by phone. I will say that I have had more than a few conversations with conservative actors who very much feel that Hollywood is one big high school clique (as someone very aptly phrased it above), and one even mentioned he is not one of the "popular" kids. That's not to say they can't get work, but I'd say more than a few feel extra pressure. They also may have to work harder at it, and they don't get some of the breaks. Again, it's who you know, and it translates that way in Hollywood. There are FAR more libs than conservatives in that pool.
One actor told me he feels downright ostracized by many of his peers and some others in the industry. And I wish I could tell you who he is because he is so incredibly nice!!
Darn GG.... Wished you
June 23, 2009 - 21:53 ET by bigtimerDarn GG....
Wished you wouldn't have done that....
I'll start out....
Is he bigger than a bread box?
....Uh-Oh...that may be a long ago guessing game you never heard of? ;-)
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
BT~LOL...
June 23, 2009 - 22:06 ET by Georgia GirlI'm so sorry, gal. Right after I posted it, I almost went back to wipe it out because I thought it might drive people bonkers. :(
I can field this first question. YES, he is bigger than a bread box! And I am not THAT young. I have at least heard of the game. ;)
JasonC, I am fully expecting you to post me an example of where
June 23, 2009 - 15:44 ET by pahuberI come off as the 'big bad troll bounty hunter'...
Please provide your facts...
http://newsbusters.o... http:
June 23, 2009 - 15:58 ET by Another Dead Kennedyhttp://newsbusters.o...
http://newsbusters.o...
http://newsbusters.o...
http://newsbusters.o...
Wow! Took me 3 minutes to find these classic posts of yours. Sorry, JasonC. I don't mean to step on your toes here but I couldn't resist.
LOL KDW! This is your evidence to show that I come off as
June 23, 2009 - 16:21 ET by pahuber"And given how you tend to throw yourself into discussions by announcing yourself as the big badass troll bounty hunter,"
KDW, you have failed again to make or prove your point.
Your last post doesn't even apply!
LOL
I've never denied making the claim that some are trolls on this site, in fact, many here are trolls.
* Read what JasonC specifically wrote in his post concering me then read what you posted as 'evidence'.
Again, KDW you have failed to make any licid argument.
Consider me called out.
June 23, 2009 - 16:21 ET by JasonCConsider me called out. Here's the link: http://newsbusters.o...
Just scroll to the bottom for the most pertinent excerpts. And take note of how pahuber at one point says he doesn't care to discuss "the lemonade stand issue" even though, gee whiz, that was the topic of the entire forum.
May 12, 2009 - 00:42 ET by pahuber
My reasons are not to debate w/ trolls, but expose them when needed. If the truth is flaming then so be it.
No that is not the subject w/ me.
May 12, 2009 - 00:53 ET by pahuber
JasonC is a troll and has acted like a troll in the past.
Therefore, when I see him it is open season and fair game. Please do not defend trolls shawn.
When there's trollish libs in your neighborhood...
Who ya gonna call?
Pa-HUBER!!!
I see you have neglected our debate with your awkward "proof"
June 23, 2009 - 16:32 ET by pahuberthat the Bible advocates slavery. When I took the time to post precisely why this was not the case and to answer your question how the old & new testament went together you vanished into thin air....
That is what trolls generally do JasonC. You fight till you see you are vanquished and then just vanish. When you cannot freely fertilize the thread or try and troll for reactions.... you just vanish.
I do believe you act like a troll JasonC, but you have failed to make me out as some 'big bad troll bounty hunter'... your posts serve only to mock and ridicule, as usual.
You guys still fighting?
June 23, 2009 - 16:34 ET by Georgia GirlOkay then ... well, carry on. ;)
LOL... slow afternoon. I just want to see if they can back up
June 23, 2009 - 16:41 ET by pahubertheir 'certain' claims.
So far, nada.
The joke was about Jon Voight's OLDER brother
June 23, 2009 - 16:51 ET by SickofLibsI believe I can bring this to an equitable conclusion for all parties:
"The joke was about Jon Voight's OLDER brother, who was not at the game."
LOL that was funny, SOL : )
June 23, 2009 - 16:53 ET by pahuberWell said.
Ah, yes, those were good
June 23, 2009 - 17:00 ET by SickofLibsAh, yes, those were good times, good times.
Kinda like the tag team of Nacho Libre and Esqueleto.
That show was funny in strange way.
June 23, 2009 - 17:04 ET by pahuberWould not have been funny if I paid admission price at the theater tho' ; ) God bless DVD... and the one dollar red box.
definitely a classic, and I DID pay to see it
June 23, 2009 - 17:05 ET by SickofLibshttp://www.imdb.com/...
I just do not go to any movies anymore... I love the idea of
June 23, 2009 - 17:08 ET by pahuberpaying a dollar for the red box.
A classic... hmmm okay, I say maybe a cult classic? Like Napolean Dynamite?
I hear ya...
June 23, 2009 - 17:16 ET by Georgia GirlWe're having some fun with a "special one" on the blog: "President Obama's June 23 Press Conference."
So far, nada. Wow, I
June 23, 2009 - 17:46 ET by JasonCSo far, nada.
Wow, I have never seen someone so deep in denial about their wrongness when the proof is right there just a few posts up the thread.
...that the Bible advocates
June 23, 2009 - 17:39 ET by JasonC...that the Bible advocates slavery. When I took the time to post
precisely why this was not the case and to answer your question how the
old & new testament went together you vanished into thin air....
Yeah, I argued that poorly and chose my words sloppily. What does that have to do with the current issue about you thinking you've been commissioned by Blonde to do all the troll-smackin' around here?
I admit I was wrong on that thread, but it has nothing to do with this one.
Jason, I mentioned it because that was the reason for one of
June 23, 2009 - 17:48 ET by pahuberlinks that you or kdw displayed as proof of me announcing myself as the 'big badass troll bounty hunter' to which I never have made this assertion.
I didn't mind how you argued... I guess I felt like I got nothing back
for my effort and was frustrated... you just left the discussion.
JasonC aka binky braveheart the baby bottle master
June 24, 2009 - 05:34 ET by JWFThat is his proper title.
binky braveheart's normal tactic is to simply disappear when he is bested. I can attest to that.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
P.S. I have never been commissioned by anybody or asked by
June 23, 2009 - 17:57 ET by pahuberanybody to do any "troll smacking" . . . first, I hardly know anyone on NB's other than a hello or laugh w/ some. While I certainly would like to get to know people here I have yet to be that acquainted.
My opinions are my own... and have been, as you have mentioned, at times innacurate. Maybe they are with you... but why say things like I have been commishioned by someone if that is not true?
It was a joke predicated on
June 23, 2009 - 18:27 ET by JasonCIt was a joke predicated on the fact that what I perceived as a Clint Eastwoodesque desire to "clean up this town" as it were, is something that Blonde expresses a lot. So I was implying that you had been deputized.
Uh, PAH, wait just a minute...
June 23, 2009 - 19:01 ET by SickofLibsI believe you did in fact accept that last $5 payment we sent you via Paypal for that previous troll smacking assignment.
This will, of course, make you ineligible for the 2010 Amateur Troll Smacking Games.
Shhhhh don't say it so loud ; )
June 23, 2009 - 19:07 ET by pahuberI'd a dun it fer free.
This will, of course, make
June 24, 2009 - 11:14 ET by JasonCThis will, of course, make you ineligible for the 2010 Amateur Troll Smacking Games.
OK, I know it was based on a dig at my own post, but this was damn funny. I almost spit out my coffee when I read it.
SickofLibs: 1
JC's computer screen: 0
I shall commission you sir.
June 24, 2009 - 05:37 ET by JWFYou have done well in smacking around binky braveheart. I now dub thee Lt. pahuber. Commence smacking binky around. Be careful, he is slippery and has a propensity for simply vanishing.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
JasonC, your accusation has been debunked. I never have
June 23, 2009 - 16:47 ET by pahuberannounced myselft as the 'big bad troll bounty hunter'.
"And given how you tend to throw yourself into discussions by announcing yourself as the big badass troll bounty hunter"
You have not shown any evidence to prove your point that I announce myself as the 'big badass' or 'troll bouny hunter' so I guess you are a troll with the accusations and the lying.
JasonC, can you post anything factual?
When you "called me out"
June 23, 2009 - 17:44 ET by JasonCWhen you "called me out" above, you asked me to provide an example of where you "came off" like a B.B.T.B.H. I have more than adequately demonstrated it.
Now you're claiming it's inadmissible because you didn't describe yourself using those exact words? Well of course you didn't, anyone who actually described themself as that would be assumed to be joking about it. You, clearly, were dead serious about your troll-hunting prowess.
Give it up, I got you on this one. Allow me to re-post your words one more time: JasonC is a troll and has acted like a troll in the past. Therefore, when I see him it is open season and fair game.
The jig is up. Call it breaking even for my poorly-argued Bible/slavery position on the transvestite mayor thread if you must keep score.
What's the problem?
June 23, 2009 - 17:56 ET by general companyGive it up, I got you on this one. Allow me to re-post your words one more time: JasonC is a troll and has acted like a troll in the past. Therefore, when I see him it is open season and fair game.
? Are you suggesting you dont act like a troll at times?
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Jason, I honestly disagree. That is some mighty powerful words
June 23, 2009 - 18:07 ET by pahuberyou strung together for me.
I believe this was after you vanished from our discussion. Yes, I did call you out and a troll... so yes, I concede this point. However, I do not believe that I ever announced myself, as you stated:
"And given how you tend to throw yourself into discussions by announcing yourself as the big badass troll bounty hunter"
This is what you said I said, but rather it is how you saw me on the thread that you posted.
Look, if you want to score this one for you, go ahead have the points, but let it be known I have never stated what you said I did.
Last post you said I was commissioned as the 'troll smacker'...
There is no point in a discussion this wild.
pah... JC isn't worth the
June 23, 2009 - 18:17 ET by bigtimerpah...
JC isn't worth the time in my opinion....that's why I didn't bother to reply to him.
He did exactly as he planned with you.
He is not worth your time of day....zilch.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
Annnnd it's BT...doin' what
June 23, 2009 - 18:34 ET by JasonCAnnnnd it's BT...doin' what BT does.
;-) Doubling down on
June 23, 2009 - 18:44 ET by bigtimer;-)
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
He's made some rather large and inaccurate assertions that I
June 23, 2009 - 19:13 ET by pahubercannot ignore.
No, these excerpts are from
June 23, 2009 - 18:37 ET by JasonCNo, these excerpts are from the Palin/lemonade stand forum, during which you announced you were not interested in discussing the issue at hand. You may not have stated it using the exact words with which I mocked the idea - as I said, it would be pretty outrageous to do so - but your language, which was explicitly likened to hunting ('open season') works pretty well toward what I was going for. Do you really not see that? And that the "commissioning" thing was an exaggeratory joke?
"Strung together"? I quoted you verbatim.
I will not deny that I can act flippant at times, but I spend a lot of time replying to detractors and explaining my positions. Surely you've seen that as well as what you deem to be trollish about my posts.
"No, these excerpts are
June 23, 2009 - 19:05 ET by pahuber"No, these excerpts are from the Palin/lemonade stand forum, during
which you announced you were not interested in discussing the issue at
hand. "
No JasonC that is not what I meant.
I meant that those words of mine came after the discussion we had earlier about slavery/Bible. Hence, since you just vanished I considered you a troll just saying caustic things that were rediculous.
"You may not have stated it using the exact words with which I mocked
the idea - as I said, it would be pretty outrageous to do so - but your
language, which was explicitly likened to hunting ('open season') works
pretty well toward what I was going for."
Well, stands to reason you may have seen it as hunting, but I was figuring you would just do more of the same from your previous postings.
"Strung together"? I quoted you verbatim."
Not the quotes as I can see where you misunderstood. I will concede your quotes, but not the 'bbth' since I never 'announced' that I was such. This is what you strung together for me, remember?
As far as my quotes I stand by them until I see differently.
* Today you said I stated something that I did not state. That is a fact.
Hi Pah, I do apologize if I
June 24, 2009 - 11:10 ET by JasonCHi Pah, I do apologize if I was over the top, if I put words in your mouth or implied that I was quoting you with my B.B.T.B.H. remark. I came in guns blazing because we've been confrontational in the past and I had written you off as unreasonable...but you seem genuine here and so I'm sorry for offending you.
* Today you said I stated something that I did not state. That is a fact.
I really did not mean that you had used the exact phrase that I introduced. By "announced yourself as..." I meant that your general mien in that other forum had given the impression that that was what you thought of yourself and your role on NB. Similarly and hypothetically, if a week-old poster named LeftistForever barged in on a thread to post "Conservatives are terrorists!!1! Close Guanatanamo!!", it would be reasonable to say that Leftist Forever had "announced himself" to be a troll...even though he didn't use that word. That was my intention. I thought you understood this when you asked for evidence that you had "come off as" the B.B.T.B.H. It was only later that I realized you thought I meant you had actually called yourself this. I apologize for the error and confusion.
binky braveheart is a troll and acts like a troll
June 24, 2009 - 05:40 ET by JWFI will say it too binky. Now break out an Ann Coulter quote for us and tell us all how you bravely opposed the war in Iraq & Afghanistan simultaneously grandpa.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
Hold on, just above you
June 24, 2009 - 11:12 ET by JasonCHold on, just above you told Pa that I never reply to my detractors. Yesterday you said I waste bandwidth and time by too frequently elaborating on and defending my arguments. Which is it?
I'll be wondering about that...but for now I've got to get back to my life-size Ann Coulter doll. Gonna put on my book-on-tape version of Treason and make an afternoon of it....mmmmhmm.
Because Voight is accomplished enough and secure enough...
June 23, 2009 - 19:57 ET by Tailgunner...to honestly state his beliefs.
If you're not as outrageously famous as Voight, Gibson or Ted Nugent, you get the Perez Hitler treatment if you don't toe the party line.
Nationalized Healthcare is a DEATH SENTENCE.
Voight is a thinking person!!!
June 22, 2009 - 17:29 ET by upcountrywaterNewt comments on that also...
I heard the interview...I
June 22, 2009 - 17:30 ET by bigtimerI heard the interview...I have nothing but the utmost respect for Voight...and more than thank him for his strong voice.
The left hasn't changed a lick since Vietnam...as we all know, to this day....the leftists are still playing with people's lives here and internationally....it's their job...it's what they do.
Agenda/Power/Alinsky rules
knowDoubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
Good for J Voight. Dont
June 22, 2009 - 17:31 ET by EdhenryGood for J Voight. Dont know whether these people are pro marxist or just anti american. The trouble is the press has been trained to accept this misguided propoganda and their allies in entertainment, and upper west side, think it is "cool" to be anti-american.
Most are hypocrites, all are misinformed = We get bad information from the media.
Real sad fact is that our best are dying for the right of these "professional anti-americans" to be so destructive.
I remember McCarthy, John Voight.
June 22, 2009 - 17:43 ET by acaiguanaThis comment isn't for Glen Beck. He has enough support.
Mr. Voight.
I have watched you over the years and I am much like you in my evolution politically. I worked in the so-called 'anti-poverty" programs heralded by LBJ.
I do respect your opinion. I think you are showing bravery (even though those who show bravery hate someone telling them so) and I support your ability to work; make a movie and I will support that work (as long as the artistic nature of the file avoids the 'chick flick' syndrom).
What I suggest is that you write. If you have trouble writing, get help. But write.
Write and let the world know what you have learned. I too understand what happened to Vietnam after the 'withdrawel'. Jimmy Carter KowTowed to the Left and they killed (fill in the blank). I actually think that the number is between 4 and 4.5 million.
Some of those people were my friends.
ACA
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Quoted from: 'Acaiguana notes from the Underground' (Soon to be at theaters near you)
Welcome
June 22, 2009 - 17:59 ET by KellyRWelcome to the fold, Brother Jon.
I must applaud Jon Voight
June 22, 2009 - 18:06 ET by spmcintyreI must applaud Jon Voight for stepping up and making known his beliefs. Conservatives need more well known people to help explain what conservatism really is. It is sad that Hollyweird has made being a conservative such a stigma. I think its sad and pathetic that he even has to consider the possibility of not working again. I also wonder how many in Hollyweird are closet conservatives. Perhaps Mr. Voights openness will allow more to come forward. I would really find it hysterical if Hollywood was a majority conservative. Then they can all sit down and try to find out why they have all been pretending for so long.
Does anybody know if his daughter is a Conservative or a Lib?
there is no spoon...
Oh stupid Hollyweird and
June 22, 2009 - 19:11 ET by balboaOh stupid Hollyweird and their opinions no one asked for! Oh woe is me!
Actually, it's interesting that he took the role of Luke in Coming Home after all this happened.
Does it really hurt that much?
June 22, 2009 - 19:42 ET by general companyYou say "something" like this everytime one of your Hollywood actors contradicts the president or has a conservative thought? How about making an arguement about what he said instead of where he lives.
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
I'm just emulating our most
June 22, 2009 - 20:33 ET by balboaI'm just emulating our most profound posters whenever a liberal celebrity says something.
But, I also made a statement, too, which Mr. Shy is apparently the only one to notice.
bal
June 22, 2009 - 19:57 ET by MrShyHe was great in that, and that's one movie I can stomach with Jane Fonda.
It IS weird that he played the full-of-love, vietnam-vet-turned-liberal type (obviously) vs. the "angry war-monger" husband. Also funny that one now-leftist and one now-conservative played lovers.
EDIT: Jane was a THEN-leftist, too, forgot. :p
You're the next contestant on...
THE MESSIAH IS... LEFT !!
So, Bal, your point would be?
June 22, 2009 - 20:01 ET by acaiguanaACA
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Quoted from: 'Acaiguana notes from the Underground' (Soon to be at theaters near you)
→ Well, ACA
June 22, 2009 - 20:08 ET by Cool ArrowIf I may offer this bal-to-logic translation.
I think bal is saying Al Pacino is gay. Didn't you see "Dog Day Afternoon"? '
Glad I could help.
Good #od, Cool Arrow - am I that obtuse?
June 22, 2009 - 20:16 ET by acaiguanaI wouldn't have a clue.
But as I told NL, I'm just an old grunt with bad hips.
ACA
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Quoted from: 'Acaiguana notes from the Underground' (Soon to be at theaters near you)
He also played Thomas
June 22, 2009 - 20:42 ET by BKeyserHe also played Thomas Reynolds in Enemy of the State and said:
We never dealt with domestic. With us, it was always war. We won the
war. Now we're fighting the peace. It's a lot more volatile. Now we've
got ten million crackpots out there with sniper scopes, sarin gas and
C-4. Ten-year-olds go on the Net, downloading encryption we can barely
break, not to mention instructions on how to make a low-yield nuclear
device. Privacy's been dead for years because we can't risk it. The
only privacy that's left is the inside of your head. Maybe that's
enough. You think we're the enemy of democracy, you and I? I think
we're democracy's last hope.
I think a Big-Brother advocate in the NSA is a far cry from his personal views. Sometimes, actors just act.
I don't have a problem with
June 22, 2009 - 20:50 ET by gmaniac1I don't have a problem with Hollyweird having an opinion as long as they are respectful, which is normally not the case. I don't think Voigt was remotely being disrespectful here. There are many reasonable and notable actors that are lefties, i.e. Ben Stiller, Denzel Washington, etc.
When the people fear the government it's called tyranny, when the government fears the people it's called liberty!
Inconvenient Facts
June 22, 2009 - 19:22 ET by slickwillie2001Remember that John F'n Kerry made the claim that our fears of a bloodbath after US withdrawal from Vietnam did not materialize.
Being an American liberal requires the ability to simply ignore inconvenient facts. You see this in so many aspects of their cherished beliefs. In their love of welfare programs, their disastrous environmental policies, tax policies, etc. Without this ability, liberalism could not exist.
What is it that allowed Voight and Horowitz to see the light, and not other liberals? Do some liberals have developmental problems? Genetic? Side effect of LSD or other psychotropics?
slick...
June 22, 2009 - 20:08 ET by MrShy"Do some liberals have developmental problems?"
Of all of your educated guesses, that's the one I'm going with. All the liberals around me (and there are many) are also the types of people who seem to have not changed since we were teenagers.
Not like I'm any beacon of development and totally growing up, but I HAVE walked away from many who literally did not seem to mature at all.
You're the next contestant on...
THE MESSIAH IS... LEFT !!
→ Slick
June 22, 2009 - 20:13 ET by Cool ArrowI'm pretty sure it was Ted Kennedy who denied the slaughter after the pullout from Vietnam.
I could be wrong.
Cool...
June 22, 2009 - 20:23 ET by BKeyserTeddy's good at that.
→ Turning point
June 22, 2009 - 20:32 ET by Cool ArrowThe Media were so set on hating Nixon that they didn't have time to talk about something so trivial as a few million deaths in Southeast Asia.
Or Chappaquiddick.
June 22, 2009 - 20:37 ET by BKeyserOr Chappaquiddick.
...And they haven't changed
June 22, 2009 - 20:38 ET by bigtimer...And they haven't changed a lick CA...not a half of one.
Now they just have more forces to do so to get that message out daily with the same talking points...other than the #1 Leader of them all Fox...who are Fair and Balanced by any comparison.
Which irks them to no end.
Talk radio we won't even get into..we all know anyway.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
BT & Cool
June 22, 2009 - 22:56 ET by MrShyI have ooooold Newsweeks, TIME's, etc., from 1974.... it's pretty jaw-dropping just how completely devoted they were to the Nixon thing. Talk about hyperbole. And you could just taste their unbridled joy at getting him to step down. The issues were cover-to-cover about him, for several weeks.
All the while, right, we were coming out of a heinous war that cost us some 65,000 soldiers and millions of lives.
You're the next contestant on...
THE MESSIAH IS... LEFT !!
What is it that allowed
June 22, 2009 - 20:22 ET by BKeyserPersonally, I think it is that most committed liberals are not so very different from the communists they allowed to lead them around by the nose during this period.
I've had this very conversation with some people close to me, who lived through the radical 60's (born in '65, I was too young.) Many to this day still didn't know that communists were the major organizers for anti-war protests on college campuses nation-wide. Most couldn't find Viet Nam on a map. And most of them are not committed liberals today. Moderates, Democrats, and even some Republicans (for the one's who matured) but few die-hard libs.
But the die-hards that did emerge from that time are likely more communist then democratic, probably on the order of 9 to 1. This would explain the fascination with Cuba; the acceptance of socialized everything, and anti-capitalism. O'Reilly would call me a right-wing nut for declaring this but facts are facts, and I don't have to line up interviews for my nightly show. It may be passe to call someone a pinko, and it may conjure up claims of McCarthyism, but as The One once said, "you can put lipstick on a pig..."
I just wonder why they don't have the courage to say what they really believe.
I've been ranting to my
June 22, 2009 - 20:36 ET by Radical1979I've been ranting to my husband for quite awhile that if we pull out of Iraq to soon we'll be responsible for a bloodbath. I recently rented "The Killing Fields" which show what happens when dictators take control. I believe this would have happened years earlier if the U.S. hadn't intervened in Veit Nam. I'm glad one former liberal can see what happens when libs run foreign policy.
Rad79.... I'm growing
June 22, 2009 - 20:44 ET by bigtimerRad79....
I'm growing more and more worried about Iraq daily...especially now, with all going on internationally...especially their neighbors.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
The important thing I think
June 23, 2009 - 02:15 ET by RR GOPThe important thing I think is that this information about what happened to millions of innocent Southeast Asian people gets out there.
We let those people down seeing as how we decided to go in there and get involved in the first place.
Friggin' Communists back here saw to our withdrawal. Our government couldn't authorize this, couldn't authorize that in order to bring Hanoi to the peace talks. Just when we did something that really hurt their infrastructure and supply from their Commie friends, the Hippies over here took to the streets and raised hell.
One of the 34% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 61% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory (yep...approval for Congress now at 39%...do you believe that!?).
Communists then, communists now
June 23, 2009 - 08:19 ET by Blogger Guy00001Yes, communists. They haven't gone away. They just changed their name to democrats/progressives/greens.
I've been listening very close...
June 23, 2009 - 17:03 ET by jawebster1to every word Mr. Voight has to say. I am proud that someone like him can rise out of the muck that is Hollywood. Ronald Reagan did it, but it was not so mucky back then. Jim Webster