As last reported on NewsBusters, the AP has been under fire for a November '06 report that 6 Iraqi Sunnis were burned alive in sectarian violence a claim that was never adequately proven and is hotly disputed by both Iraqi Government and US Military officials. And, as many Bloggers investigated (such as Michelle Malkin and Patrick Frey of Patterico's Pontifications among many more), the identity of the AP's lone source seemed impossible to establish.
At last it seems some light has been shed on the existence of this capt. Hussein as we get the story from Michelle Malkin's site. Michelle has been the chief bulldog in efforts to reveal the AP's mysterious source.
BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - The Interior Ministry acknowledged Thursday that an Iraqi police officer whose existence had been denied by the Iraqis and the U.S. military is in fact an active member of the force, and said he now faces arrest for speaking to the media.
It looks like we just might have an answer -- though it is not yet assured that this person is, indeed, the "capt. Jamil Hussein" the AP used as a source. Still, the revelation that such a man actually exists seems to answer to the doubts that the AP actually had a live source for this story.
But it's only a start toward solving the controversies surrounding this AP story.
There are still many questions that dog this story and the AP is not out of the woods yet where it concerns the truth of whether 6 Iraqi Sunnis were burned alive or not. And that, not the existence of this capt. Hussein, has always been the central point to the dispute. The existence of the source always was a sidelight, a distraction, to the story, not the main problem.
There is not a shred of proof that the 6 burning Iraqis incident ever happened and this is an issue that the AP has still not satisfactorily addressed. There's no independent source, no burnt bodies ... little of the story has checked out other than the source, at long last. And THAT has taken over a month and a lot of recrimination and controversy to straighten out.
Central points of this story
- Did the incident ever even happen and where is the proof?
- Why does the AP publish news stories based on only one witness with no corroboration?
- How long has the AP been publishing stories on the word of only one witness?
As I wrote in my first report on this issue on NewsBusters:
And, it has always been a staple of journalism that more than one source be required to publish a story reported as "fact". After all, if only ONE source is ever needed for a story, then anyone can publish anything as "fact" merely upon any single person's say so.
The AP's inability to substantiate their source was but a small part of the questions the AP faces overs its credibility here.
Expect the AP to wash its hands of this issue, though, imagining it is a closed case now that we seem to have proof of the existence of capt. Hussein.
As for the rest of us, there is a long way to go before we could be satisfied that the AP is practicing due diligence in their reporting.



















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I, like I'm sure many others,
January 5, 2007 - 05:27 ET by Indiana JoeI, like I'm sure many others, used to take the AP byline as reasonable indication that a story had been properly researched and "vetted" before release. How long have I been suckered by these people?
Warner, your "bullet points" say it all. One witness, even if he DOES exist (an issue that should NEVER have been in doubt) does not constitute "proof." Two points with one stone. And the third point: how can we ever know the answer to that one? It brings much of the AP's past reportage into serious question.
This, together with the recent Reuters problems, makes the wires look more like our own MSM with each passing day. Does UPI even exist anymore? Those used to be the "Big Three" among the wire-services. With AP and Reuters seemingly digging their own graves credibility-wise, what else is left?
Now that even Hume has fessed
January 5, 2007 - 19:01 ET by joe conservativeNow that even Hume has fessed up that the AP story has been "vindicated"
No retraction. Move on to the next pack of lies. A year from now, the average right-wing mitwit will still insist the AP fabricated the whole affair, Saddam was behind 9-11, we found wmd's, We had Bin Laden in the crosshairs until Clinton said "let him go", and Gilligan was a maritime hero.
Well, joe, let's see...the AP
January 5, 2007 - 23:53 ET by MikeBWell, joecommie, let's see...the AP apparently did fabricate (or at least did not fact check) the 4 torched mosques and the 6 burned iraqis, the only ones I've heard say Saddam was behind 9-11 are liberals saying conservatives said it, they did find chemical weapons (binary gas shells), Sudan did offer to arrest Bin Laden at least twice, and both times Bubba couldn't be bothered to pull it out of Monica long enough to say "yes", and apparently the depiction of the special forces team being in place to take out Bin Laden, but Bubba and his CIA head didn't have the balls to give the go ahead was accurate, and, only a libtard such as yourself would try to say conservatives think Gilligan was a maritime hero. Unlike you on the left, we of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy know the difference between fact and fantasy.
"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." Ronald Reagan
...if only ONE source is ev
January 5, 2007 - 06:32 ET by Tom1969caMemo to the Associated Press:
~~~
VOTE DEMOCRAT!
(It's easier than thinking)
Tom,Excellent! But, who was t
January 5, 2007 - 06:38 ET by Indiana JoeTom,
Excellent! But, who was the FIRST shooter? ... ;^)
IJ
Now, I WOULD believe that A
January 5, 2007 - 07:10 ET by Warner Todd HustonNow, I WOULD believe that Ann Coulter had a shooter on the grassy knoll!
Probably a Jack Daniels, too.
Truth...That is truly one on
January 5, 2007 - 19:06 ET by joe conservativeTruth...
That is truly one on the stupidest posts I've ever seen.
Eric Boehlert was vindicated and the war bloggers can now keep their fat mouths shut.
And you can go back and finish 6th grade.
Mm-v'very interesting
January 5, 2007 - 09:43 ET by foolnomoresound's like an inside job something like ,let's take"the" walk in the park-ron,then fake files/photo on every body in towne(janet reno)?? But i did try", butt got in the way, Mmm-never happen here??
I'd really like to see him in
January 5, 2007 - 11:01 ET by taznarI'd really like to see him inverviewed by someone not affiliated with the AP. I always wondered, if he did exist, was he simply passing on "police gossip" that the AP reported as fact? I kept thinking the burning six story sounded like a story that got passed along, embellished each step of the way, until a Capt. Jamail Hussein tells a reporter, "I heard there were six people burned over in...". The reporter asks him what else he's heard about the story, and we get the whole thing written up for us.
The right was beating this st
January 5, 2007 - 19:25 ET by joe conservativeThe right was beating this story to death. They were not concerned with the veracity of the burned to death story. Eric Boehlert pointed out the fact that Capt Hussein was not the only source. They wanted to discredit the messenger. They dont care about the truth. They willing to accept anything their chosen leaders tell them bc they are good little authoritarians. This all started bc the US military said the capt didnt exist and we all know the US military doesnt lie.
While this has been going for weeks hundreds of US soldiers have died and thousands of Iraqis have been brutally killed. But we are suppose to believe that the AP invented this man to undermine the US, that we are in actuality winning this war.
joeblowIt's past pathetic tha
January 5, 2007 - 19:38 ET by bigtimerjoeblow
It's past pathetic that our military keeps giving you ungrateful basta*ds the right to keep spewing your hope that we lose this war just for you and your ilk's conservative/ Bush hating agenda. (Btw we are fighting a war with Iran right now, you just are to blind with hatred to realize it)
You should be on your knees thanking them, past and present.
"If we ever forget that we are a Nation Under God....then we will be a Nation Gone Under." Ronald Reagan
The true believers in the cau
January 5, 2007 - 19:49 ET by joe conservativeThe true believers in the cause of war at all times to be supported by other people and their children cannot afford to look at themselves in the mirror of reality because the pain would be too much. These will look to any thin reed to support their untenable arguments. Blowing up one small thing to obscure the much larger, uglier picture is all that they can do to hide their problems. Years from now they will still be screaming that the press, and you in particular, will actually be to blame for our "loss of Iraq." It seems like we are to replay Viet Nam for at least another century. After all, the US South is still fighting in many ways.
Joe Scarborough...thats who y
January 5, 2007 - 19:55 ET by bigtimerJoe Scarborough...thats who you are! I knew you sounded familiar! At first I thought you might be Flip Floppin' Kerry, but noooo, got ya figured, you are so obvious!
LMAO!
Like I said, you should be on your knees with thankfulness.
"If we ever forget that we are a Nation Under God....then we will be a Nation Gone Under." Ronald Reagan
I heard somewhere this mornin
January 5, 2007 - 13:29 ET by bigtimerI heard somewhere this morning, do not remember which political show for sure, may have been an article that Brian Lamb read or Fox or such, that Michelle Malkin and some other person are going to go to Iraq and investigate this....we all want proof, and I hope this is true...what better person to do it?
"If we ever forget that we are a Nation Under God....then we will be a Nation Gone Under." Ronald Reagan
Fox News' Brit Hume said that
January 5, 2007 - 13:42 ET by joe conservativeFox News' Brit Hume said that the Associated Press "has been vindicated" over its report of six Iraqis who were purportedly burned alive, after the source for that article, Jamil Hussein, whose existence has been a subject of dispute among many conservative bloggers, was reportedly confirmed by Iraq's Interior Ministry to be an Iraqi police captain. Once again Bozell has crap on his face
The "Jamil Hussein"
January 5, 2007 - 13:55 ET by joe conservativeThe "Jamil Hussein" non-scandal has been roaring through the right-wing blogosphere and was beginning to seep into Fox. Brit Hume distancing himself from the non-story is noteworthy.
Fox News' Brit Hume said that
January 5, 2007 - 13:44 ET by joe conservativeFox News' Brit Hume said that the Associated Press "has been vindicated" over its report of six Iraqis who were purportedly burned alive, after the source for that article, Jamil Hussein, whose existence has been a subject of dispute among many conservative bloggers, was reportedly confirmed by Iraq's Interior Ministry to be an Iraqi police captain. Once again Bozell has crap on his face
Joe Conservative=Kathleen Car
January 5, 2007 - 23:59 ET by kubob21Joe Conservative=Kathleen Carroll, BTW Kathleen good use of the little truth (Jamil exists) to cover the BIG LIE (all his stories are BS) when of 61 stories attributed to him only 1 has confirmation from an alternate news agency (Goebbels would be proud). Also why does no other agency have the interview with Khalaf, and why is Centcom still not confirming. And the question still remains Where is Jamil Hussein?
Where have you been. Fox Ne
January 6, 2007 - 00:07 ET by joe conservativeWhere have you been. Fox News' Washington managing editor Brit Hume reported on January 4 that "the Associated Press says the Iraqi Interior Ministry has acknowledged" the existence of Iraqi police Capt. Jamil Hussein, who was a source for a November 24 Associated Press article in which the AP reported that "Shiite militiamen doused six Sunni Arabs with kerosene and burned them alive as Iraqi soldiers stood by."
What liberal blog did you cut
January 6, 2007 - 00:14 ET by JimboWhat liberal blog did you cut and paste that from?
Can't stand the facts can you
January 6, 2007 - 00:18 ET by joe conservativeCan't stand the facts can you? Eric Boehlert was vindicated and the war bloggers can now keep their fat mouths shut.
Whatever that means.
January 6, 2007 - 00:21 ET by JimboWhatever that means.
Gee, joe.I'd like to see you
January 6, 2007 - 00:28 ET by BlondeGee, joe.
I'd like to see you walk up to one of these guys at the best "warblog".
You'd run away crying like a whipped puppy.
Note to NB friends...this is an awesome site....
For my friend Free....check out Instapinch. Woohooo Tomcats!
Just because Brit Hume is ech
January 6, 2007 - 10:56 ET by kubob21Just because Brit Hume is echoing an AP report does not mean confirmation, BTW how come the AP is not trumpeting this to the skies, even they are pretty mum about their confirmation. And how come flaks like you are trying to move the dialogue in a false direction. Jamil's existence is only one part of a story about the AP producing terrorist propaganda. It has been conclusivly proven that 6 people were not burned alive, even the AP has been forced to admit that but yet they refuse to issue a formal retraction, why? Because they know that the 61 attributed and many more unattributed stories are just as false. Terrorist propaganda is not news and that's all the AP is good for these days is terrorist propaganda. 61 stories only 1 that another news agency (al-Reuters) reported only 1 and even that was essentialy a repeat of the AP IE they used the same terrorist stringer. The Assoiated (with terrorists) Press is genuine.
There are too many...
January 5, 2007 - 13:59 ET by Guy Arthur ThomasThere are too many times I could live without Malkin's poisonous self-righteousness and crusadership mentality...on the other hand she makes good points often (not always and has been dead wrong more than once) and on this point her contributions surpass any stench her tendency toward "high horsity" could blemish. Keep up the good work on this Malkin!
If you claim to be a conservative, please don't disgrace yourself and conservatism by thinking and arguing like a liberal.
Maulkin was supposed to be go
January 5, 2007 - 18:54 ET by joe conservativeMaulkin was supposed to be going to Iraq to investigate this as one of her priorities. What was her response when it was revealed? Something like, Look at this. Moving on...
Says it all. Exactly why republicans lost last round. Just like in Iraq, they just can't bring themselves around to say "I was wrong".
joec,Do you have a link where
January 5, 2007 - 19:11 ET by bigtimerjoec,
Do you have a link where Malkin has said she is no longer going to go to Iraq and investigate? I just heard this news this morning about her and another person going to investigate for themselves, since the Brit Hume report yesterday and today...let me know, would be appreciated.
"If we ever forget that we are a Nation Under God....then we will be a Nation Gone Under." Ronald Reagan
Like a dog who craped on the
January 5, 2007 - 19:19 ET by joe conservativeLike a dog who craped on the carpet, Malkin has her nose rubbed into the truth, This story will be DOA before rightwing bloggers admit their error.
joecThat is your answer, are
January 5, 2007 - 19:28 ET by bigtimerjoec
That is your answer, are you serious? Geeze, just when I thought a troll may really have some facts, like I said 'may'...pathetic.
Critters like you and your ilk are allergic to the truth, hell you do not even want to know for sure. How old are you? Never mind.
"If we ever forget that we are a Nation Under God....then we will be a Nation Gone Under." Ronald Reagan
That the meat of the warblogg
January 5, 2007 - 19:38 ET by joe conservativeThat the meat of the warblogger disbelief with the story stemmed from the "non-existent" Hussein. If no Hussein, it must follow that the AP made up the story. Now that the AP has been "vindicated", most of the fuel for this "outrage" on the part of the warbloggers has been effectively extinguished, and I wondered what the new spin would be.
Although, I feel that there is an inherent disbelief with ALL "bad news" war reporting in general on the part of the warbloggers, and that none of these recent revelations will sway that belief. Conservative hate the TRUTH
One last time joe...Where is
January 5, 2007 - 19:48 ET by bigtimerOne last time joe...
Where is the link about Malkin not going to Iraq to investigate this whole thing, this inquiring mind wants to know, I was serious, still am, but you seem to be ignoring this...this is the third time I have asked you.
"If we ever forget that we are a Nation Under God....then we will be a Nation Gone Under." Ronald Reagan
I do believe, however, that M
January 5, 2007 - 19:55 ET by joe conservativeI do believe, however, that Malkin and the warbloggers, desperate for an Iraq scapegoat, are willing to invest whatever amount of time and energy it takes to advance their phony notion that the press is to blame for the Iraq fiasco. ---------- Malkin like Reagan will not enter a war zone.
Bullet Fly, Conservatives Flee..............George Patton
Good lord! Provide a link alr
January 5, 2007 - 19:58 ET by balboaGood lord! Provide a link already! Even I'm getting annoyed now.
Be honest, you really don't w
January 5, 2007 - 20:10 ET by joe conservativeBe honest, you really don't want the truth.
Thank you, Jack Nicholson.
January 5, 2007 - 20:14 ET by BlondeThank you, Jack Nicholson.
Well, joe, if even boa is get
January 5, 2007 - 20:24 ET by bigtimerWell, joe, if even boa is getting annoyed and wants you to provide a link, like I have asked now for the fifth time, (there are a couple other posts not here folks) and you refuse to provide one whatsoever, and ignore the request by me, when I was deadly serious with you, not being a smart-a$$, I am now going to declare that you are a liar through and through.
I detest liars more than just about anything.
You therefore qualify for the perfect definition of detestable.
"If we ever forget that we are a Nation Under God....then we will be a Nation Gone Under." Ronald Reagan
I'd like some closure to this
January 5, 2007 - 20:40 ET by balboaI'd like some closure to this conversation:
Joe: [statement]
Others: Link please?
Joe: [further elaboration of statement]
Others: Link please?
Joe: [more repetition of original statement]
Others: Could I pretty please have link that verifies your statement?
Joe: [statement again]
Bal's first conversation as a
January 5, 2007 - 20:43 ET by BlondeBal's first conversation as a conservative!
Way to go, Bal.
haha! you're joking, right?
January 5, 2007 - 20:49 ET by kathleenirishhaha! you're joking, right? It's "the French" flee, silly.
"He who has a thousand friends has not a friend to spare, and he who has one enemy will meet him everywhere" -Ali ibn-Abi-Talib, 4th Islamic Caliph
There is a major problem with
January 5, 2007 - 15:29 ET by j. frank wilsonThere is a major problem with this blog - the AP story had more than one source. Initially, there was a very brief story that cited Capt. Hussein as the source. It was all of about 3 paragraphs.
Then there was a much longer story with more sources. No mention of that, here.
And if our media is not to ever use just one source, how will they report Tony Snow (Job's) so informative press briefings?
Well, they aren't ever going
January 5, 2007 - 18:56 ET by joe conservativeWell, they aren't ever going to apologize... ...because for the bloggers the issue isn't Hussein, it's the news. Whether Hussein was a fictitious person or a shill for the insurgents, the bloggers see the issue as the same: unreliable, pro-terrorist propaganda being disseminated by a liberal media determined to undermine our efforts to bring freedom and democracy to the Middle East. The truth hurts, and it hurts the pro-war movement most of all. The best way to assuage the pain is to discredit the truth as a lie. The next best way is to discredit it as anti-American.
AP has quite the history now
January 5, 2007 - 19:04 ET by kathleenirishAP has quite the history now of blatant misreporting and skewering of the 'news', as well as some interesting connections to terrorists. There have been many examples of this. They have a serious credibility problem.
The media are not doing a good job of holding up their 'journalistic standards' in general. Pointing this out is not the problem, their inept, deliberately biased and weak reporting is. Bringing Tony Snow into your statement is totally ridiculous.
"He who has a thousand friends has not a friend to spare, and he who has one enemy will meet him everywhere" -Ali ibn-Abi-Talib, 4th Islamic Caliph
The War is not going the way
January 5, 2007 - 19:13 ET by joe conservativeThe War is not going the way Conservatives wanted it. So truth be damned and blame the media.
...who were on an AP witch hunt. And Hume is responsible for picking up this obviously bogus story and implying that the AP had made up a source who reports "stories that are often critical of the U.S." Again, the fact that Hume was forced to acknowledge that AP has been vindicated does not discount the fact that he hyped this bogus story in the first place. It does no speak to Hume's or Fox's credibility that they were fed this story from Michelle Malkin and her ilk.
joeAs far s I know this still
January 5, 2007 - 19:24 ET by bigtimerjoe
As far s I know this still hasn't been proven one way or the other, please answer with a link like I asked you a minute ago if Michelle is still going or not to investigate for herself, I am serious, I heard she was this morning, Hume reported this same thing yesterday too, I heard she was going just today, I am seriously curious... even with a troll like you....link would help.
"If we ever forget that we are a Nation Under God....then we will be a Nation Gone Under." Ronald Reagan
This story is DOA. Because
January 5, 2007 - 19:33 ET by joe conservativeThis story is DOA. Because surely Malkin, et al, won't just throw their hands up and eat crow, will they? As delightful as that would be to read. Malkin will go back her hole. The AP has been "vindicated". Nuff said.
I'm not familiar with Malkin'
January 5, 2007 - 19:42 ET by balboaI'm not familiar with Malkin's stand on this story so far, but she was operating at Defcon 6 when the story of the Ricin being "discovered" at the University of Texas surfaced, and when it turned out to not be Ricin, she never mentioned it again...
She looooves to sound the alarm, but she's not quite as quick with follow-up when it doesn't serve her purposes.
boa...Did you get added to jo
January 5, 2007 - 19:50 ET by bigtimerboa...
Did you get added to joe's buddy list?
"If we ever forget that we are a Nation Under God....then we will be a Nation Gone Under." Ronald Reagan
Hardy-har...
January 5, 2007 - 19:54 ET by balboaHardy-har...
Malkin gives hacks a bad name
January 5, 2007 - 20:00 ET by joe conservativeMalkin gives hacks a bad name. This story is dead.
And, where exactly does that
January 5, 2007 - 20:06 ET by kathleenirishAnd, where exactly does that leave you?
"He who has a thousand friends has not a friend to spare, and he who has one enemy will meet him everywhere" -Ali ibn-Abi-Talib, 4th Islamic Caliph
kath,It leaves joe c. exactly
January 5, 2007 - 20:09 ET by Blondekath,
It leaves joe c. exactly where he's always been....stuck on stupid.
And with an oxymoron for a name here.
jo-jo
January 5, 2007 - 20:16 ET by Clear thinkerIt just dawned on me.... I think this bug works for Media Matters.
AP vs Independent Thought
January 5, 2007 - 19:50 ET by acumen"The AP has been "vindicated". Nuff said."
Not according to Warner;
"The AP's inability to substantiate their source was but a small part of the questions the AP faces overs its credibility here."
Care to tackle the other issues raised in Warner's post? Caution - This task will require an open mind and independent thought.
Open mind Open Thought
January 5, 2007 - 19:51 ET by BarberianThat eliminates two posters.
"vindicated"
January 5, 2007 - 20:18 ET by acumenSearching 'vindicate' on dictionary.com would certainly explain the fascination with "vindicated" - 7. to get revenge for; avenge. So much for a rational, objective discussion.......
"...and her ilk..."
January 5, 2007 - 19:40 ET by kathleenirish"...and her ilk..." ? Her ilk? OOOoooooh, (in an Elmer Fudd voice now): "she's a scary, scary, wrascally wabbit". What the hell? She's a shady, swarmy character, like all us suspicious conservatives who slink around her?
I can safely say Michelle Malkin has more credibility in the tip of her pinky than the AP ever will. You're concerns are misplaced. And, the MSM doesn't give a hoot about this story being false or right or whatever, nor will they ever. They just run with anything that remotely smacks of BushandAmerica-bashing.
"He who has a thousand friends has not a friend to spare, and he who has one enemy will meet him everywhere" -Ali ibn-Abi-Talib, 4th Islamic Caliph
These guys cry "liberal
January 5, 2007 - 20:03 ET by joe conservativeThese guys cry "liberal media traitors" yet don't question why FOX News sent Oliver North to Iraq for a week and only had him report on happenings in Ramadi and Anbar (and even then he never mentioned that his escort was killed shortly after escorting him). Things are going great in Iraq as long you don't have the facts.
joe conservative Says: FOX
January 5, 2007 - 20:23 ET by DontFeedTheTrollsjoe conservative Says: FOX News sent Oliver North to Iraq for a week. . . Things are going great in Iraq as long you don't have the facts.
Well get your facts straight. North has spent alot more than a week in Iraq. You should try visiting reality more often.
DSG
Not once did conficted felon
January 5, 2007 - 20:35 ET by joe conservativeNot once did conficted felon ollie point out that one of his escorts was killed. IS THAT NOT A STORY?
Ollie North warned us all on
January 5, 2007 - 20:44 ET by bigtimerOllie North warned us all on television when he was being questioned I think by the Senate about Osama bin Laden, when these hearing you are speaking of was going on, they had him repeat his name, they laughed at him.
Ollie is a hero...they all should of listened up!
Snap out of it JoeScarborough/pretend to be conservative!
"If we ever forget that we are a Nation Under God....then we will be a Nation Gone Under." Ronald Reagan
Trees cause more pollution th
January 5, 2007 - 23:44 ET by joe conservativeTrees cause more pollution than automobiles do." Reagan '81
here's another liberal code w
January 5, 2007 - 19:56 ET by kathleenirishhere's another liberal code word or phrase: 'witch hunt'. A witch hunt against AP? That's rich, considering what they've been doing for the last few years!
"He who has a thousand friends has not a friend to spare, and he who has one enemy will meet him everywhere" -Ali ibn-Abi-Talib, 4th Islamic Caliph
little joe...
January 5, 2007 - 20:12 ET by Clear thinkerHey Joe, what's your problem? This story made Fox news, so what? Brit brought it up but spent maybe a whole 15 seconds talking about it, so what? Then he states that AP has been vindicated, so what? Seems like a natural progression of a story to me. At least he did not try to validate a story using FORGED documents.
BTW...The only reason the war went south is the influence that the liberal media had on the enemy. Liberals and their MSM stooges emboldened the enemy to keep fighting. You and your ilk should be disgusted with your actions as much as I am. The liberal MSM and it's fans (like you) want the US to fail, I consider both of you traitors!
truth be damned
January 5, 2007 - 19:48 ET by DontFeedTheTrollsI see our knuckle headed resident leftists don't care that the underlying story wasn't even true, just that there may actually be someone who can be identified who reported the false story. Again, the rule is 'if it hurts Bush and/or the military, truth be damned'.
DSG
exactly. thank you."He w
January 5, 2007 - 19:57 ET by kathleenirishexactly. thank you.
"He who has a thousand friends has not a friend to spare, and he who has one enemy will meet him everywhere" -Ali ibn-Abi-Talib, 4th Islamic Caliph
That's not true. They have
January 5, 2007 - 20:02 ET by BarberianThat's not true. They have a photo of him in Beirut under a plume of smoke.
Have been blaming the media f
January 5, 2007 - 20:07 ET by joe conservativeHave been blaming the media for failures in Iraq since invasion day back in March of 2003. Nothing is going to stop that, but history itself will prove that the media has been right, most of the time, and that the bloggers, sitting in their parent's basements, were very very wrong about this war.
Basements?
January 5, 2007 - 20:10 ET by BarberianI'll bet your sorry A$$ is sitting in the USA all comfy.
joe conservative Says: the
January 5, 2007 - 20:14 ET by DontFeedTheTrollsjoe conservative Says: the bloggers, sitting in their parent's basements, were very very wrong about this war.
You sure are wrong. Must be uncomfortable in that damp basement.
Spider hole!
January 5, 2007 - 20:21 ET by BarberianSpider hole!
Bingo!"If we ever forget
January 5, 2007 - 20:27 ET by bigtimerBingo!
"If we ever forget that we are a Nation Under God....then we will be a Nation Gone Under." Ronald Reagan
"Facts are stupid things
January 5, 2007 - 23:46 ET by joe conservative"Facts are stupid things." '88 (slight misquote of John Adams, 'Facts are stubborn things.') Ronald Reagan
Small fire going in the firep
January 5, 2007 - 20:25 ET by Clear thinkerSmall fire going in the fireplace, looking out the windows of a lovely log a-frame watching a few lights twinkle on mountain ridges across from me. Pretty nice basement, huh joe?
Small fire
January 5, 2007 - 20:29 ET by BarberianSounds good to me ct. All I see is sand!
Bar...
January 5, 2007 - 20:31 ET by Clear thinkerYou on the beach?
Beach?
January 5, 2007 - 20:33 ET by BarberianNot quite, nooooo water at all!
Ah, that lovely desert.Thanks
January 5, 2007 - 20:35 ET by BlondeAh, that lovely desert.
Thanks, B. for what you're doing for us all.
Bar....It wasn't until I saw
January 5, 2007 - 20:39 ET by Clear thinkerBar....
It wasn't until I saw Blondes post that I "got it". Here's wishing you godspeed and a big thank you from my whole family.
Desert!
January 5, 2007 - 20:41 ET by BarberianNot that one right now but close to it and will probably be returning. Thanks isn't necessary, save it for the ones that wear uniforms all the time. Unfortunately they stand out more.
Bar....Well then... thanks fo
January 5, 2007 - 20:47 ET by Clear thinkerBar....
Well then... thanks for being so humble about it.
You will still be in our prayers.
There's a bigger fight going
January 5, 2007 - 20:51 ET by BarberianThere's a bigger fight going on over there that's as important. At least on NB you can see the resistance.
Barberian,Your modesty is adm
January 5, 2007 - 20:55 ET by Indiana JoeBarberian,
Your modesty is admirable, but you're THERE, guy. Full-time or part-time, makes no difference to me, or US, if I may make so bold.
Respect, thanks, prayers, and Godspeed to you.
Joe Rodino
Barberian,Something akin to t
January 5, 2007 - 20:37 ET by bigtimerBarberian,
Something akin to the Mojave Desert?
"If we ever forget that we are a Nation Under God....then we will be a Nation Gone Under." Ronald Reagan
Mojave
January 5, 2007 - 20:43 ET by BarberianNo, unfortunately not now but I was born close to it. Beautiful country!
Okay, got you! That is why I
January 5, 2007 - 20:48 ET by bigtimerOkay, got you! That is why I was asking, (I lived in Mojave btw)...so I want you to know how much I thank you from the bottom of my heart, all of my family does....stay safe!
There aren't enough words invented to express my thanks.
"If we ever forget that we are a Nation Under God....then we will be a Nation Gone Under." Ronald Reagan
"I have flown twice over
January 5, 2007 - 23:48 ET by joe conservative"I have flown twice over Mt St Helens out on our west coast. I'm not a scientist and I don't know the figures, but I have a suspicion that that one little mountain has probably released more sulphur dioxide into the atmosphere of the world than has been released in the last ten years of automobile driving or things of that kind that people are so concerned about." Reagan '80. Actually, Mount St. Helens, at its peak activity, emitted about 2,000 tons of sulphur dioxide per day, compared with 81,000 tons per day by cars.
Why do you come here joe?Give
January 5, 2007 - 20:18 ET by bigtimerWhy do you come here joe?
Give me one good truthful answer, wait a minute, you still haven't given me a link that I asked for three times, why would I expect the truth from you...but what the heck, I'll give it one more try, my patience can be very stretched tonight.
"If we ever forget that we are a Nation Under God....then we will be a Nation Gone Under." Ronald Reagan
Why do I come here. To give
January 5, 2007 - 20:25 ET by joe conservativeWhy do I come here. To give you the TRUTH. It's not a matter of the media being trustworthy. it's a matter of reporting things that are truly happening. many on the right want to blame the press and claim that it is the media that is presenting a false image of violence in iraq. well, those things are happening. car bombs kill dozens and dozens more show up dead in the streets of baghdad every morning. but many on the right claim that because one or two stories can't be authenticated to everyone's satisfaction, then all the other stories are made up. and the indisputable fact is that the press has done more than it's fair share of shilling for bush. they buried all the contrary evidence about wmd in the run up to the war, and all but ignored the downing street memo which said of the case for going to war "the facts were being fixed aroung the policy".
Wow.... this guy lives in an
January 5, 2007 - 20:29 ET by Clear thinkerWow.... this guy lives in an alternate reality. Maybe not human, but definately a traitor!
To give you the TRUTH.You wou
January 5, 2007 - 20:30 ET by bigtimerTo give you the TRUTH.
You wouldn't know what that word means joe.
Where is the link for Malkin? For the sixth time now.
"If we ever forget that we are a Nation Under God....then we will be a Nation Gone Under." Ronald Reagan
BT...Don't hold your breath w
January 5, 2007 - 20:36 ET by Clear thinkerBT...
Don't hold your breath waiting for him to come up with a link that backs up his assinine assertions.
Ct...I'd be dead by now if I
January 5, 2007 - 20:40 ET by bigtimerCt...
I'd be dead by now if I did that!
LMAO!
"If we ever forget that we are a Nation Under God....then we will be a Nation Gone Under." Ronald Reagan
Good point!
January 5, 2007 - 20:43 ET by Clear thinkerGood point!
"I'd be dead by now if I
January 5, 2007 - 21:00 ET by Indiana Joe"I'd be dead by now if I did that!"
Maybe that's what he's hoping for, bt. Then at least you'd stop bugging him for that pesky "proof!" ;^D
That is the most ridiculous s
January 5, 2007 - 20:45 ET by kathleenirishThat is the most ridiculous statement of the day, probably the whole year:
'The truth'. The freakin' TRUTH, people! He comes here as a missionary, toting the 'truth'! Get on your knees, sinners! Preacher Joe is spreadin' the word!
That elite media who makes its living distorting, deceiving and twisting their reporting of current events and approaches each story from a leftist, socialistic point of view-not the problem, folks. It's us. For not being believers of whatever crap AP is spewing whenever they spew it. For not believing George Bush is the Devil who lied because he loves war so much. For not having faith in the elites who know so much more than your 'ilk'. For thinking the US is the force of good, whereas Saddam was a mass-murdering despot bent on developing WMD and using them at every opportunity. That the democratically-elected Israeli and Iraqi governments deserve our support. That the US has a right to protect its interests and way of life. That the UN is a scamming, immoral, inept, antiAmerican, corrupt piece of garbage. That posters like Joe are knee-jerk liberals who worship commies but have contempt for the United States of America. I could go on, but I have to go dig out my pictures of Jimmy Carter, Kofi Annan and Dan Rather and get adoring and a-worshipping, pdq!
Gobshite.
"He who has a thousand friends has not a friend to spare, and he who has one enemy will meet him everywhere" -Ali ibn-Abi-Talib, 4th Islamic Caliph
Kath...Will kneel at the libe
January 5, 2007 - 20:52 ET by Clear thinkerKath...
Will kneel at the liberal alternate reality altar with you.
These folks really do have a problem, and I sometimes wonder if they were dropped on their heads as babies.
The alter
January 5, 2007 - 20:58 ET by BarberianThat would be the white poceline one... right?
Bar...Exactly!
January 5, 2007 - 21:03 ET by Clear thinkerBar...
Exactly!
The problem will be the chopp
January 5, 2007 - 21:02 ET by kathleenirishThe problem will be the chopping-off of heads if their way of thinking takes hold any more than it already has. The cultural implosion continues....
"He who has a thousand friends has not a friend to spare, and he who has one enemy will meet him everywhere" -Ali ibn-Abi-Talib, 4th Islamic Caliph
joe traitor
January 5, 2007 - 20:20 ET by Clear thinkerI repeat...
Hey Joe, what's your problem? This story made Fox news, so what? Brit brought it up but spent maybe a whole 15 seconds talking about it, so what? Then he states that AP has been vindicated, so what? Seems like a natural progression of a story to me. At least he did not try to validate a story using FORGED documents.
BTW...The only reason the war went south is the influence that the liberal media had on the enemy. Liberals and their MSM stooges emboldened the enemy to keep fighting. You and your ilk should be disgusted with your actions as much as I am. The liberal MSM and it's fans (like you) want the US to fail, I consider both of you traitors!
The right wing spends a lot o
January 5, 2007 - 20:29 ET by joe conservativeThe right wing spends a lot of it's time on stories that are plainly and simply false. all the swift boat nonsense about kerry, for instance. there was the instance of that photographer who was fired by reuters, and deservedly so. my point remains, and so does the point of this article. the point being that the media is not making up the violence in iraq. if anything, they underplayed for a long time.
Remaining point: You and your
January 5, 2007 - 20:34 ET by Clear thinkerRemaining point: You and your liberal buddies in the MSM are resposible for the war extension. I consider that an act of treason! How does it feel knowing that your words have killed lot's of people?
joe conservative whines: al
January 5, 2007 - 20:35 ET by DontFeedTheTrollsjoe conservative whines: all the swift boat nonsense about kerry
Ahhh, the truth about Kerry (who admitted to commiting war crimes, in front of congress) still has you inflamed.
DSG
all the swift boat nonsense
January 5, 2007 - 20:42 ET by Jack Bauerall the swift boat nonsense about kerry,
All true of course, as has been amply proven to anyone but the most hopelessly biased, partisan hack.
But then the same hacks, like you, have no problems in calling James Corsi, John O'Neill and 200 other vets liars. Many of them Democrats and Democrat voters, of course.
What you still don't get is that this was very much an anti-Kerry movement and not a pro-Bush movement.
James Corsi being, of course, a major detractor of President Bush. He just happened to believe Kerry was a dangerous, untrustworthy fellow with a dishonorable character
As does Col. George 'Bud' Day, America's most highly decortated living veteran.
You calling the Congressional Medal of Honor winner, Col. Day, a liar are you?
Sure, we believe you over Col. Day, hero.
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Jack,Did you see anything abo
January 5, 2007 - 20:46 ET by BlondeJack,
Did you see anything about Terry McAuliff's new book?
Even he called Kerry inept, incompetent, and an awful stiff.
One partisan hack, calling out another, so to speak.
I normally don't read books written by the libs, but this one might be worth a look-see.
I heard about it.Too funny.
January 5, 2007 - 20:51 ET by Jack BauerI heard about it.
Too funny. Scumbag calls out Slimeball.
Gee, who to cheer for in such a winning lineup?
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Evenin' Jack, or is it mornin
January 5, 2007 - 20:59 ET by bigtimerEvenin' Jack, or is it mornin' for ya?
Cannibalism at it's finest.
Btw...I would not spend one cent for the book, may borrow it from the Library if I was really interested, which I am not, hell, msnbc is providing all the details today for free....like I said cannibalism at it's finest.
Dontcha' just love it!
"If we ever forget that we are a Nation Under God....then we will be a Nation Gone Under." Ronald Reagan
He is a LIAR and scumbag and
January 5, 2007 - 20:48 ET by joe conservativeHe is a LIAR and scumbag and needs to be bitch slapped.
joe c's been watching Fight C
January 5, 2007 - 20:51 ET by Blondejoe c's been watching Fight Club again.....
See that folks. This is how
January 5, 2007 - 20:54 ET by Jack BauerSee that folks. This is how the braindead hate filled left really supports the troops.
Calls a real American hero, Col. George Day a liar and a scumbag.
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US. Kerry didn't call our sol
January 5, 2007 - 20:54 ET by joe conservativeUS. Kerry didn't call our soldiers terrorists. But he did describe what actions in war do to people. I can no longer tolerate the stupidity and ignorance of the right wing. That is why you immediately enlisted to go fight for the cause in Iraq. Oh, that's right. You're just a blowhard. And another right wing chickenhawk. But you don't ever get to demand moral courage from anyone until you're ready to start asking the same questions you ask of democrats from republicans! I am still waiting for you to be angry about the White House undermining our national security for outing a CIA agent. Where is your moral courage?
Thank you rhayes."outing
January 5, 2007 - 20:56 ET by BlondeThank you rhayes.
"outing a CIA agent"????
tdf!
You just called Congression
January 5, 2007 - 20:58 ET by Jack BauerYou just called Congressional Medal of Honor winner, and the most highly decorated living veteran, Colonel George 'Bud' Day, a liar and a scumbag.
That says all we need to know about you.
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Here's my moral courage.... y
January 5, 2007 - 21:00 ET by Clear thinkerHere's my moral courage.... you are a traitor! Nuff said.
J.Scarborough or Flipfloppin'
January 5, 2007 - 21:08 ET by bigtimerJ.Scarborough or Flipfloppin' Kerry,
You are so over....in every way possible.
"If we ever forget that we are a Nation Under God....then we will be a Nation Gone Under." Ronald Reagan
Someone commented on the warb
January 5, 2007 - 20:44 ET by joe conservativeSomeone commented on the warbloggers' fanatic rantings over the "fauxtography" incident during the Israeli/Hizbollah fighting; now there's this AP/Capt. Hussein FUD going on. It reminds me of nothing so much as their own revered and frequently referred to Olympian moment: what they like to call "Rathergate." By shifting the emphasis to miniscule differences in fonts, they shifted any discussion away from Bush's actual AWOL from the Texas Air National Guard... It worked then, why shouldn't it work now... Except, like all boys who cry "Wolf!" once too often, people have stopped taking them at face value, and quickly discover that there's really nothing there but some kids with keyboards, typing away with the CAPS LOCK key on...
"actual AWOL"Never
January 5, 2007 - 20:49 ET by Blonde"actual AWOL"
Never proven....so whine on about the fonts.
Just like a liberal to distort the facts, over and over again.
Kind of like the MsM (Dan Blather).....if they repeat it enough, stupid people (hellow mirror there, joe) believe it.
Blonde...Keep in mind that th
January 5, 2007 - 20:55 ET by Clear thinkerBlonde...
Keep in mind that the "actual AWOL" was supported by "actual forgeries" ; )
CT
January 5, 2007 - 20:58 ET by BlondeRiiiiight....
I forgot about that.
What was I thinking?
When will Prez AWOL name some
January 5, 2007 - 21:07 ET by joe conservativeWhen will Prez AWOL name some of his peers in Alabama National Guard?
Regarding Col. George Bud D
January 5, 2007 - 21:09 ET by Jack BauerRegarding Col. George Bud Day, Congressional Medal of Honor winner, and America's highest decorated living veteran..
This is what a steaming pile of camel dung called joeconservative called Col. Day
He is a LIAR and scumbag and
Submitted by joe conservative on January 5, 2007 - 20:48.
He is a LIAR and scumbag and needs to be bitch slapped.
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He was part of Ken Mehlman's
January 5, 2007 - 21:12 ET by joe conservativeHe was part of Ken Mehlman's filthy and shameful lies about a decorated combat veteran is disgraceful. He is a scumbag. Political hack Ken Mehlman and draft-dodging, donut-eating Rush Limbaugh have something in common. Neither of them know anything about how to make American troops safe. John Kerry will continue to speak out about how to succeed in Iraq and protect brave American troops
To whom shall he speak, Joe?A
January 5, 2007 - 21:15 ET by BlondeTo whom shall he speak, Joe?
All of those troops with whom he breakfasted in Baghdad?
Sheesh. Give it a break.
You're a mental case. The f
January 5, 2007 - 21:20 ET by Jack BauerYou're a mental case.
The fact that you have the brass neck to call a Congressional Medal of Honor winner a liar and a scumbag just proves it.
Do you even know what he had to do to win that honor.
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Hey joekerry,You are so over
January 5, 2007 - 21:34 ET by bigtimerHey joekerry,
You are so over...try to realize that, you are getting ate up by your own party, you might try to tell Theresa that so she will come down to earth and realize she is never going to be the First Lady, let alone a lady, anymore than you are going to be Prez, you treasonous b*stard.
"If we ever forget that we are a Nation Under God....then we will be a Nation Gone Under." Ronald Reagan
rhayes sock puppet
January 5, 2007 - 21:11 ET by BlondeHello there haysie.
Nice try.
How does the new sock puppet fit?
When will Prez AWOL name some
January 5, 2007 - 21:08 ET by joe conservativeWhen will Prez AWOL name some of his peers in Alabama National Guard?
PRES AWOL
January 5, 2007 - 21:14 ET by JimboThe President AWOL thing is really getting old, especially since it never happened.
It would be like me calling the former President Mr. Cigar Stuffer. Oh wait – that actually happened.
How bout President Perjury? Damn, can’t use that either.
I’ll have to get back to you….I been told conservative give
January 5, 2007 - 21:02 ET by joe conservativeI been told conservative give the best oral sex. They will swallow anything. No one remembers Bush in the Alabama National Guard and vice versus. THAT A FACT JACK
Regarding Col. George Bud D
January 5, 2007 - 21:05 ET by Jack BauerRegarding Col. George Bud Day, Congressional Medal of Honor winner, and America's highest decorated living veteran..
This is what a steaming pile of camel dung called joeconservative called Col. Day
He is a LIAR and scumbag and
Submitted by joe conservative on January 5, 2007 - 20:48.
He is a LIAR and scumbag and needs to be bitch slapped.
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I think you just accomplished
January 5, 2007 - 21:08 ET by BlondeI think you just accomplished that, Jack.
Kudos.
Hey, joe conservative...
January 5, 2007 - 21:12 ET by acaiguanaHey, joe conservative...
Let's see on this thread, you insulted my basement room. That room is very important to me because Mom sends me there all the time with my rocket science toys for anti-social behavior that doesn't fit her concept of PC.
You have insulted my service in the US Army and my country and its leaders.
You have insulted my friends in America who have just as much right to their political positions as you have to yours.
You have insulted the President of the United States of America which I am sure is lapped up by all of the country's enemies and critics, Castro, Chavez, Al Qaeda, Humas and Hezbollah.
You have called everyone here various names and insulted their intelligence.
Gee
You are really on a roll.
But, you haven't said anything. Not really.
You have behaved as a child behaves when acting out in public, embarassing the parents and the people around the kid.
See, I'm focusing on the behavior, not the personality.
Frankly, if I were the site administrator, I'd say this to you (pay attention now):
"Either engage in discussion with some point and lay off the personal junk as well as trying to distract from the discussion rather than add to the discussion, or dance alone."
ACA
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Acaiguana says: "Which city is next?"
joe
January 5, 2007 - 21:13 ET by BarberianYou sir are Butt Pirate in search of a reach around!
Getting randy and excited, ar
January 5, 2007 - 21:14 ET by kathleenirishGetting randy and excited, are we, joe?
That would be Clinton who is and was into oral sex, not to mention, rape and sexual assault. I don't know if being good at oral sex is a conservative trait, but, okay, I'll go with it.
You're flat out gross, not to mention one of the biggest koolaid drinkers I have ever read on this page, even Der Kommissar (rhayes, aka, Groundskeeper Willy) would be hard-pressed to equal your level of devotional faith in the leftist Stalinistic liberal dogma.
And, fyi, I am not thrilled with the way the war was pursued, and I knew traitors like you would do everything they could to undermine our goals and support our enemies, both at home and abroad, support any terrorist cause, happily cheer at any American setback and work towards our defeat. THAT is the biggest 'truth' of all.
"He who has a thousand friends has not a friend to spare, and he who has one enemy will meet him everywhere" -Ali ibn-Abi-Talib, 4th Islamic Caliph
Facts - The Old Reliable TROLL Repelant
January 5, 2007 - 21:29 ET by Free StinkerWell said Kathleen!
Just spray some facts onto that pesky Troll, and watch them melt away faster than you can say Barking Moonbat! ;-)
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Regarding Col. George Bud D
January 5, 2007 - 21:03 ET by Jack BauerRegarding Col. George Bud Day, Congressional Medal of Honor winner, and America's highest decorated living veteran..
This is what a steaming pile of camel dung called joeconservative called Col. Day
He is a LIAR and scumbag andSubmitted by joe conservative on January 5, 2007 - 20:48.
He is a LIAR and scumbag and needs to be bitch slapped.
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Jack...What do expect from a
January 5, 2007 - 21:07 ET by Clear thinkerJack...
What do expect from a traitor that loves the enemy more than his own country.
The good Col and this twerp should meet up.
Clear -- I know, expectatio
January 5, 2007 - 21:16 ET by Jack BauerClear -- I know, expectations are set at bug level anyway.
But even so, wow. Talk about a hate filled loon.
I'm sure the Colonel would have way more class than to engage him, but he'd wipe the floor with that piece of excrement in about ten seconds.
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Regarding Col. George Bud D
January 5, 2007 - 21:07 ET by Jack BauerRegarding Col. George Bud Day, Congressional Medal of Honor winner, and America's highest decorated living veteran..
This is what a steaming pile of camel dung called joeconservative called Col. Day
He is a LIAR and scumbag and
Submitted by joe conservative on January 5, 2007 - 20:48.
He is a LIAR and scumbag and needs to be bitch slapped.
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'bitch-slapped'. hmm. As
January 5, 2007 - 21:27 ET by kathleenirish'bitch-slapped'. hmm. As Shake would say on Aqua Teen Hunger Force:
'You're full-blown GAY!"
I feel sorry for you, you are so absurdly lost in liberal la-la land. I used to be a liberal, but then I had to work for a bunch of the hypocrites, and then I actually listened to what Ted Kennedy and John Kerry were saying, and also read what true conservatism is, and since I'm a home-owning, tax-paying married mother of four, I made the break. Modern liberalism is anti-American socialism.
Straighten up and fly right! -Nat 'King' Cole.
I'm sure
January 5, 2007 - 21:59 ET by pagarThe terrorists in the Middle East must be so proud to have such strong support from their American leftist useful idiots, as has been shown on this blog tonight. Just like the Soviets must have gotten all excited when Sen Kennedy asked for their support in destroying America. Or the VietCong and the North Vietnamese got when John Kerry threw his support to them and was able to help them defeat America.
I salute any American who has realized the truth about Ted Kennedy and John Kerry and those who supports them and their terrorist friends.
I would also like to salute again Col George E. "Bud" Day, who I believe is one of the finest Americans of our lifetime.