AP: Some 'Capt. Hussein' Proof? Yet, More Questions Remain

By Warner Todd Huston (Bio | Archive)
January 5, 2007 - 03:33 ET

As last reported on NewsBusters, the AP has been under fire for a November '06 report that 6 Iraqi Sunnis were burned alive in sectarian violence a claim that was never adequately proven and is hotly disputed by both Iraqi Government and US Military officials. And, as many Bloggers investigated (such as Michelle Malkin and Patrick Frey of Patterico's Pontifications among many more), the identity of the AP's lone source seemed impossible to establish.

At last it seems some light has been shed on the existence of this capt. Hussein as we get the story from Michelle Malkin's site. Michelle has been the chief bulldog in efforts to reveal the AP's mysterious source.

BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - The Interior Ministry acknowledged Thursday that an Iraqi police officer whose existence had been denied by the Iraqis and the U.S. military is in fact an active member of the force, and said he now faces arrest for speaking to the media.

It looks like we just might have an answer -- though it is not yet assured that this person is, indeed, the "capt. Jamil Hussein" the AP used as a source. Still, the revelation that such a man actually exists seems to answer to the doubts that the AP actually had a live source for this story.

But it's only a start toward solving the controversies surrounding this AP story.

There are still many questions that dog this story and the AP is not out of the woods yet where it concerns the truth of whether 6 Iraqi Sunnis were burned alive or not. And that, not the existence of this capt. Hussein, has always been the central point to the dispute. The existence of the source always was a sidelight, a distraction, to the story, not the main problem.

There is not a shred of proof that the 6 burning Iraqis incident ever happened and this is an issue that the AP has still not satisfactorily addressed. There's no independent source, no burnt bodies ... little of the story has checked out other than the source, at long last. And THAT has taken over a month and a lot of recrimination and controversy to straighten out.

Central points of this story

  • Did the incident ever even happen and where is the proof?
  • Why does the AP publish news stories based on only one witness with no corroboration?
  • How long has the AP been publishing stories on the word of only one witness?

As I wrote in my first report on this issue on NewsBusters:

And, it has always been a staple of journalism that more than one source be required to publish a story reported as "fact". After all, if only ONE source is ever needed for a story, then anyone can publish anything as "fact" merely upon any single person's say so.

The AP's inability to substantiate their source was but a small part of the questions the AP faces overs its credibility here.

Expect the AP to wash its hands of this issue, though, imagining it is a closed case now that we seem to have proof of the existence of capt. Hussein.

As for the rest of us, there is a long way to go before we could be satisfied that the AP is practicing due diligence in their reporting.


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I, like I'm sure many others,

January 5, 2007 - 05:27 ET by Indiana Joe

I, like I'm sure many others, used to take the AP byline as reasonable indication that a story had been properly researched and "vetted" before release. How long have I been suckered by these people?

Warner, your "bullet points" say it all. One witness, even if he DOES exist (an issue that should NEVER have been in doubt) does not constitute "proof." Two points with one stone. And the third point: how can we ever know the answer to that one? It brings much of the AP's past reportage into serious question.

This, together with the recent Reuters problems, makes the wires look more like our own MSM with each passing day. Does UPI even exist anymore? Those used to be the "Big Three" among the wire-services. With AP and Reuters seemingly digging their own graves credibility-wise, what else is left?

Now that even Hume has fessed

January 5, 2007 - 19:01 ET by joe conservative

Now that even Hume has fessed up that the AP story has been "vindicated" 

No retraction. Move on to the next pack of lies. A year from now, the average right-wing mitwit will still insist the AP fabricated the whole affair, Saddam was behind 9-11, we found wmd's, We had Bin Laden in the crosshairs until Clinton said "let him go", and Gilligan was a maritime hero.

Well, joe, let's see...the AP

January 5, 2007 - 23:53 ET by MikeB

Well, joecommie, let's see...the AP apparently did fabricate (or at least did not fact check) the 4 torched mosques and the 6 burned iraqis, the only ones I've heard say Saddam was behind 9-11 are liberals saying conservatives said it, they did find chemical weapons (binary gas shells), Sudan did offer to arrest Bin Laden at least twice, and both times Bubba couldn't be bothered to pull it out of Monica long enough to say "yes", and apparently the depiction of the special forces team being in place to take out Bin Laden, but  Bubba and his CIA head didn't have the balls to give the go ahead was accurate, and, only a libtard such as yourself would try to say conservatives think Gilligan was a maritime hero.  Unlike you on the left, we of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy know the difference between fact and fantasy.

"A communist is someone who reads Marx.  An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx."  Ronald Reagan

...if only ONE source is ev

January 5, 2007 - 06:32 ET by Tom1969ca

...if only ONE source is ever needed for a story, then anyone can publish
anything as "fact" merely upon any single person's say so.

Memo to the Associated Press:

I know what happened to the missing WMDs - on the eve of the invasion in March 2003, Rush Limbaugh and Walter E. Williams flew a purple flying saucer to Baghdad and hid the WMDs in the basement of Sean Hannity's secret house that nobody knows about in Aspen until they could decide whether to plant them in Syria or Iran. I saw it! Please contact me for an interview, and I'll throw in my eyewitness proof that Ann Coulter was the second shooter on the Grassy Knoll...

~~~
VOTE DEMOCRAT!
(It's easier than thinking)

Tom,Excellent! But, who was t

January 5, 2007 - 06:38 ET by Indiana Joe

Tom,

Excellent! But, who was the FIRST shooter? ...     ;^)

IJ

Now, I WOULD believe that A

January 5, 2007 - 07:10 ET by Warner Todd Huston

Now, I WOULD believe that Ann Coulter had a shooter on the grassy knoll!

Probably a Jack Daniels, too.

Truth...That is truly one on

January 5, 2007 - 19:06 ET by joe conservative

Truth...

That is truly one on the stupidest posts I've ever seen.

Eric Boehlert was vindicated and the war bloggers can now keep their fat mouths shut.

And you can go back and finish 6th grade.

Mm-v'very interesting

January 5, 2007 - 09:43 ET by foolnomore

sound's like an inside job something like ,let's take"the" walk in the park-ron,then fake files/photo on every body in towne(janet reno)?? But i did try", butt got in the way, Mmm-never happen here??

I'd really like to see him in

January 5, 2007 - 11:01 ET by taznar

I'd really like to see him inverviewed by someone not affiliated with the AP. I always wondered, if he did exist, was he simply passing on "police gossip" that the AP reported as fact? I kept thinking the burning six story sounded like a story that got passed along, embellished each step of the way, until a Capt. Jamail Hussein tells a reporter, "I heard there were six people burned over in...". The reporter asks him what else he's heard about the story, and we get the whole thing written up for us.

The right was beating this st

January 5, 2007 - 19:25 ET by joe conservative

The right was beating this story to death. They were not concerned with the veracity of the burned to death story. Eric Boehlert pointed out the fact that Capt Hussein was not the only source. They wanted to discredit the messenger. They dont care about the truth. They willing to accept anything their chosen leaders tell them bc they are good little authoritarians. This all started bc the US military said the capt didnt exist and we all know the US military doesnt lie.

While this has been going for weeks hundreds of US soldiers have died and thousands of Iraqis have been brutally killed. But we are suppose to believe that the AP invented this man to undermine the US, that we are in actuality winning this war.

joeblowIt's past pathetic tha

January 5, 2007 - 19:38 ET by bigtimer

joeblow

It's past pathetic that our military keeps giving you ungrateful basta*ds the right to keep spewing your hope that we lose this war just for you and your ilk's conservative/ Bush hating agenda. (Btw we are fighting a war with Iran right now, you just are to blind with hatred to realize it)

You should be on your knees thanking them, past and present.

"If we ever forget that we are a Nation Under God....then we will be a Nation Gone Under."  Ronald Reagan

The true believers in the cau

January 5, 2007 - 19:49 ET by joe conservative

The true believers in the cause of war at all times to be supported by other people and their children cannot afford to look at themselves in the mirror of reality because the pain would be too much. These will look to any thin reed to support their untenable arguments. Blowing up one small thing to obscure the much larger, uglier picture is all that they can do to hide their problems. Years from now they will still be screaming that the press, and you in particular, will actually be to blame for our "loss of Iraq." It seems like we are to replay Viet Nam for at least another century. After all, the US South is still fighting in many ways.

Joe Scarborough...thats who y

January 5, 2007 - 19:55 ET by bigtimer

Joe Scarborough...thats who you are! I knew you sounded familiar! At first I thought you might be Flip Floppin' Kerry, but noooo, got ya figured, you are so obvious!

LMAO!

Like I said, you should be on your knees with thankfulness.

"If we ever forget that we are a Nation Under God....then we will be a Nation Gone Under."  Ronald Reagan

I heard somewhere this mornin

January 5, 2007 - 13:29 ET by bigtimer

I heard somewhere this morning, do not remember which political show for sure, may have been an article that Brian Lamb read or Fox or such, that Michelle Malkin and some other person are going to go to Iraq and investigate this....we all want proof, and I hope this is true...what better person to do it?

"If we ever forget that we are a Nation Under God....then we will be a Nation Gone Under."  Ronald Reagan

Fox News' Brit Hume said that

January 5, 2007 - 13:42 ET by joe conservative

Fox News' Brit Hume said that the Associated Press "has been vindicated" over its report of six Iraqis who were purportedly burned alive, after the source for that article, Jamil Hussein, whose existence has been a subject of dispute among many conservative bloggers, was reportedly confirmed by Iraq's Interior Ministry to be an Iraqi police captain. Once again Bozell has crap on his face

The "Jamil Hussein"

January 5, 2007 - 13:55 ET by joe conservative

The "Jamil Hussein" non-scandal has been roaring through the right-wing blogosphere and was beginning to seep into Fox. Brit Hume distancing himself from the non-story is noteworthy. 

Fox News' Brit Hume said that

January 5, 2007 - 13:44 ET by joe conservative

Fox News' Brit Hume said that the Associated Press "has been vindicated" over its report of six Iraqis who were purportedly burned alive, after the source for that article, Jamil Hussein, whose existence has been a subject of dispute among many conservative bloggers, was reportedly confirmed by Iraq's Interior Ministry to be an Iraqi police captain. Once again Bozell has crap on his face

Joe Conservative=Kathleen Car

January 5, 2007 - 23:59 ET by kubob21

Joe Conservative=Kathleen Carroll,  BTW Kathleen good use of the little truth (Jamil exists) to cover the BIG LIE (all his stories are BS)  when of 61 stories attributed to him only 1 has confirmation from an alternate news agency (Goebbels would be proud).  Also why does no other agency have the interview with Khalaf, and why is Centcom still not confirming.  And the question still remains Where is Jamil Hussein?

Where have you been.  Fox Ne

January 6, 2007 - 00:07 ET by joe conservative

Where have you been.  Fox News' Washington managing editor Brit Hume reported on January 4 that "the Associated Press says the Iraqi Interior Ministry has acknowledged" the existence of Iraqi police Capt. Jamil Hussein, who was a source for a November 24 Associated Press article in which the AP reported that "Shiite militiamen doused six Sunni Arabs with kerosene and burned them alive as Iraqi soldiers stood by."

What liberal blog did you cut

January 6, 2007 - 00:14 ET by Jimbo

What liberal blog did you cut and paste that from?

Can't stand the facts can you

January 6, 2007 - 00:18 ET by joe conservative

Can't stand the facts can you?   Eric Boehlert was vindicated and the war bloggers can now keep their fat mouths shut.

Whatever that means.

January 6, 2007 - 00:21 ET by Jimbo

Whatever that means.

Gee, joe.I'd like to see you

January 6, 2007 - 00:28 ET by Blonde

Gee, joe.

I'd like to see you walk up to one of these guys at the best "warblog".

You'd run away crying like a whipped puppy.

Note to NB friends...this is an awesome site....

For my friend Free....check out Instapinch.  Woohooo Tomcats!

Just because Brit Hume is ech

January 6, 2007 - 10:56 ET by kubob21

Just because Brit Hume is echoing an AP report does not mean confirmation, BTW how come the AP is not trumpeting this to the skies, even they are pretty mum about their confirmation.  And how come flaks like you are trying to move the dialogue in a false direction.  Jamil's existence is only one part of a story about the AP producing terrorist propaganda.  It has been conclusivly proven that 6 people were not burned alive, even the AP has been forced to admit that but yet they refuse to issue a formal retraction, why?  Because they know that the 61 attributed and many more unattributed stories are just as false.  Terrorist propaganda is not news and that's all the AP is good for these days is terrorist propaganda.  61 stories only 1 that another news agency (al-Reuters) reported only 1 and even that was essentialy a repeat of the AP IE they used the same terrorist stringer.  The Assoiated (with terrorists) Press is genuine.

There are too many...

January 5, 2007 - 13:59 ET by Guy Arthur Thomas

There are too many times I could live without Malkin's poisonous self-righteousness and crusadership mentality...on the other hand she makes good points often (not always and has been dead wrong more than once) and on this point her contributions surpass any stench her tendency toward "high horsity" could blemish. Keep up the good work on this Malkin!

If you claim to be a conservative, please don't disgrace yourself and conservatism by thinking and arguing like a liberal.

Maulkin was supposed to be go

January 5, 2007 - 18:54 ET by joe conservative

Maulkin was supposed to be going to Iraq to investigate this as one of her priorities. What was her response when it was revealed? Something like, Look at this. Moving on...

Says it all. Exactly why republicans lost last round. Just like in Iraq, they just can't bring themselves around to say "I was wrong".

joec,Do you have a link where

January 5, 2007 - 19:11 ET by bigtimer

joec,

Do you have a link where Malkin has said she is no longer going to go to Iraq and investigate? I just heard this news this morning about her and another person going to investigate for themselves, since the Brit Hume report yesterday and today...let me know, would be appreciated.

"If we ever forget that we are a Nation Under God....then we will be a Nation Gone Under."  Ronald Reagan

Like a dog who craped on the

January 5, 2007 - 19:19 ET by joe conservative

Like a dog who craped on the carpet, Malkin has her nose rubbed into the truth, This story will be DOA before rightwing bloggers admit their error.

joecThat is your answer, are

January 5, 2007 - 19:28 ET by bigtimer

joec

That is your answer, are you serious? Geeze, just when I thought a troll may really have some facts, like I said 'may'...pathetic.

Critters like you and your ilk are allergic to the truth, hell you do not even want to know for sure. How old are you? Never mind. 

"If we ever forget that we are a Nation Under God....then we will be a Nation Gone Under."  Ronald Reagan

That the meat of the warblogg

January 5, 2007 - 19:38 ET by joe conservative

That the meat of the warblogger disbelief with the story stemmed from the "non-existent" Hussein. If no Hussein, it must follow that the AP made up the story. Now that the AP has been "vindicated", most of the fuel for this "outrage" on the part of the warbloggers has been effectively extinguished, and I wondered what the new spin would be.

Although, I feel that there is an inherent disbelief with ALL "bad news" war reporting in general on the part of the warbloggers, and that none of these recent revelations will sway that belief.  Conservative hate the TRUTH

One last time joe...Where is

January 5, 2007 - 19:48 ET by bigtimer

One last time joe...

Where is the link about Malkin not going to Iraq to investigate this whole thing, this inquiring mind wants to know, I was serious, still am, but you seem to be ignoring this...this is the third time I have asked you.

"If we ever forget that we are a Nation Under God....then we will be a Nation Gone Under."  Ronald Reagan

I do believe, however, that M

January 5, 2007 - 19:55 ET by joe conservative

I do believe, however, that Malkin and the warbloggers, desperate for an Iraq scapegoat, are willing to invest whatever amount of time and energy it takes to advance their phony notion that the press is to blame for the Iraq fiasco. ----------  Malkin like Reagan will not enter a war zone.   

Bullet Fly, Conservatives Flee..............George Patton

Good lord! Provide a link alr

January 5, 2007 - 19:58 ET by balboa

Good lord! Provide a link already! Even I'm getting annoyed now.

Be honest, you really don't w

January 5, 2007 - 20:10 ET by joe conservative

Be honest, you really don't want the truth.

Thank you, Jack Nicholson.

January 5, 2007 - 20:14 ET by Blonde

Thank you, Jack Nicholson.

Well, joe, if even boa is get

January 5, 2007 - 20:24 ET by bigtimer

Well, joe, if even boa is getting annoyed and wants you to provide a link, like I have asked now for the fifth time, (there are a couple other posts not here folks) and you refuse to provide one whatsoever, and ignore the request by me, when I was deadly serious with you, not being a smart-a$$, I am now going to declare that you are a liar through and through.

I detest liars more than just about anything.

You therefore qualify for the perfect definition of detestable.

"If we ever forget that we are a Nation Under God....then we will be a Nation Gone Under."  Ronald Reagan

I'd like some closure to this

January 5, 2007 - 20:40 ET by balboa

I'd like some closure to this conversation:

Joe: [statement]

Others: Link please?

Joe: [further elaboration of statement]

Others: Link please?

Joe: [more repetition of original statement]

Others: Could I pretty please have link that verifies your statement?

Joe: [statement again]

Bal's first conversation as a

January 5, 2007 - 20:43 ET by Blonde

Bal's first conversation as a conservative!

Way to go, Bal.

haha! you're joking, right? 

January 5, 2007 - 20:49 ET by kathleenirish

haha! you're joking, right?  It's "the French" flee, silly.

"He who has a thousand friends has not a friend to spare, and he who has one enemy will meet him everywhere"          -Ali ibn-Abi-Talib, 4th Islamic Caliph

There is a major problem with

January 5, 2007 - 15:29 ET by j. frank wilson

There is a major problem with this blog - the AP story had more than one source.  Initially, there was a very brief story that cited Capt. Hussein as the source.  It was all of about 3 paragraphs.

Then there was a much longer story with more sources.  No mention of that, here.

And if our media is not to ever use just one source, how will they report Tony Snow (Job's) so informative press briefings?

Well, they aren't ever going

January 5, 2007 - 18:56 ET by joe conservative

Well, they aren't ever going to apologize... ...because for the bloggers the issue isn't Hussein, it's the news. Whether Hussein was a fictitious person or a shill for the insurgents, the bloggers see the issue as the same: unreliable, pro-terrorist propaganda being disseminated by a liberal media determined to undermine our efforts to bring freedom and democracy to the Middle East. The truth hurts, and it hurts the pro-war movement most of all. The best way to assuage the pain is to discredit the truth as a lie. The next best way is to discredit it as anti-American.

AP has quite the history now

January 5, 2007 - 19:04 ET by kathleenirish

AP has quite the history now of blatant misreporting and skewering of the 'news', as well as some interesting connections to terrorists.  There have been many examples of this.  They have a serious credibility problem.

The media are not doing a good job of holding up their 'journalistic standards' in general.  Pointing this out is not the problem, their inept, deliberately biased and weak reporting is.  Bringing Tony Snow into your statement is totally ridiculous.

"He who has a thousand friends has not a friend to spare, and he who has one enemy will meet him everywhere"          -Ali ibn-Abi-Talib, 4th Islamic Caliph

The War is not going the way

January 5, 2007 - 19:13 ET by joe conservative

The War is not going the way Conservatives wanted it.   So truth be damned and blame the media.

...who were on an AP witch hunt. And Hume is responsible for picking up this obviously bogus story and implying that the AP had made up a source who reports "stories that are often critical of the U.S." Again, the fact that Hume was forced to acknowledge that AP has been vindicated does not discount the fact that he hyped this bogus story in the first place. It does no speak to Hume's or Fox's credibility that they were fed this story from Michelle Malkin and her ilk.

joeAs far s I know this still

January 5, 2007 - 19:24 ET by bigtimer

joe

As far s I know this still hasn't been proven one way or the other, please answer with a link like I asked you a minute ago if Michelle is still going or not to investigate for herself, I am serious, I heard she was this morning, Hume reported this same thing yesterday too, I heard she was going just today, I am seriously curious... even with a troll like you....link would help.

"If we ever forget that we are a Nation Under God....then we will be a Nation Gone Under."  Ronald Reagan

This story is DOA.  Because

January 5, 2007 - 19:33 ET by joe conservative

This story is DOA.  Because surely Malkin, et al, won't just throw their hands up and eat crow, will they? As delightful as that would be to read. Malkin will go back her hole.   The AP has been "vindicated".    Nuff said.

I'm not familiar with Malkin'

January 5, 2007 - 19:42 ET by balboa

I'm not familiar with Malkin's stand on this story so far, but she was operating at Defcon 6 when the story of the Ricin being "discovered" at the University of Texas surfaced, and when it turned out to not be Ricin, she never mentioned it again...

She looooves to sound the alarm, but she's not quite as quick with follow-up when it doesn't serve her purposes.

boa...Did you get added to jo

January 5, 2007 - 19:50 ET by bigtimer

boa...

Did you get added to joe's buddy list?

"If we ever forget that we are a Nation Under God....then we will be a Nation Gone Under."  Ronald Reagan

Hardy-har...

January 5, 2007 - 19:54 ET by balboa

Hardy-har...

Malkin gives hacks a bad name

January 5, 2007 - 20:00 ET by joe conservative

Malkin gives hacks a bad name.   This story is dead.

And, where exactly does that

January 5, 2007 - 20:06 ET by kathleenirish

And, where exactly does that leave you?

"He who has a thousand friends has not a friend to spare, and he who has one enemy will meet him everywhere"          -Ali ibn-Abi-Talib, 4th Islamic Caliph

kath,It leaves joe c. exactly

January 5, 2007 - 20:09 ET by Blonde

kath,

It leaves joe c. exactly where he's always been....stuck on stupid.

And with an oxymoron for a name here.

jo-jo

January 5, 2007 - 20:16 ET by Clear thinker

It just dawned on me.... I think this bug works for Media Matters.

AP vs Independent Thought

January 5, 2007 - 19:50 ET by acumen

"The AP has been "vindicated".    Nuff said."

Not according to Warner;

"The AP's inability to substantiate their source was but a small part of the questions the AP faces overs its credibility here."

Care to tackle the other issues raised in Warner's post?  Caution - This task will require an open mind and independent thought.

Open mind Open Thought

January 5, 2007 - 19:51 ET by Barberian

That eliminates two posters.

"vindicated"

January 5, 2007 - 20:18 ET by acumen

Searching 'vindicate' on dictionary.com would certainly explain the fascination with "vindicated" - 7. to get revenge for; avenge.  So much for a rational, objective discussion.......

"...and her ilk..."

January 5, 2007 - 19:40 ET by kathleenirish

"...and her ilk..." ? Her ilk?  OOOoooooh, (in an Elmer Fudd voice now): "she's a scary, scary, wrascally wabbit".  What the hell?  She's a shady, swarmy character, like all us suspicious conservatives who slink around her?

I can safely say Michelle Malkin has more credibility in the tip of her pinky than the AP ever will.  You're concerns are misplaced.  And, the MSM doesn't give a hoot about this story being false or right or whatever, nor will they ever.  They just run with anything that remotely smacks of BushandAmerica-bashing.

"He who has a thousand friends has not a friend to spare, and he who has one enemy will meet him everywhere"          -Ali ibn-Abi-Talib, 4th Islamic Caliph

These guys cry "liberal

January 5, 2007 - 20:03 ET by joe conservative

These guys cry "liberal media traitors" yet don't question why FOX News sent Oliver North to Iraq for a week and only had him report on happenings in Ramadi and Anbar (and even then he never mentioned that his escort was killed shortly after escorting him).   Things are going great in Iraq as long you don't have the facts.

joe conservative Says: FOX

January 5, 2007 - 20:23 ET by DontFeedTheTrolls

joe conservative Says: FOX News sent Oliver North to Iraq for a week. . . Things are going great in Iraq as long you don't have the facts.

Well get your facts straight. North has spent alot more than a week in Iraq. You should try visiting reality more often.

DSG

Not once did conficted felon

January 5, 2007 - 20:35 ET by joe conservative

Not once did conficted felon ollie point out that  one of his escorts was killed.   IS THAT NOT A STORY?

Ollie North warned us all on

January 5, 2007 - 20:44 ET by bigtimer

Ollie North warned us all on television when he was being questioned I think by the Senate about Osama bin Laden, when these hearing you are speaking of was going on, they had him repeat his name, they laughed at him.

Ollie is a hero...they all should of listened up!

Snap out of it JoeScarborough/pretend to be conservative!

"If we ever forget that we are a Nation Under God....then we will be a Nation Gone Under."  Ronald Reagan

Trees cause more pollution th

January 5, 2007 - 23:44 ET by joe conservative

Trees cause more pollution than automobiles do." Reagan '81

here's another liberal code w

January 5, 2007 - 19:56 ET by kathleenirish

here's another liberal code word or phrase: 'witch hunt'.  A witch hunt against AP?  That's rich, considering what they've been doing for the last few years!

"He who has a thousand friends has not a friend to spare, and he who has one enemy will meet him everywhere"          -Ali ibn-Abi-Talib, 4th Islamic Caliph

little joe...

January 5, 2007 - 20:12 ET by Clear thinker

Hey Joe, what's your problem? This story made Fox news, so what? Brit brought it up but spent maybe a whole 15 seconds talking about it, so what? Then he states that AP has been vindicated, so what? Seems like a natural progression of a story to me. At least he did not try to validate a story using FORGED documents.

BTW...The only reason the war went south is the influence that the liberal media had on the enemy. Liberals and their MSM stooges emboldened the enemy to keep fighting. You and your ilk should be disgusted with your actions as much as I am. The liberal MSM and it's fans (like you) want the US to fail, I consider both of you traitors!

truth be damned

January 5, 2007 - 19:48 ET by DontFeedTheTrolls

I see our knuckle headed resident leftists don't care that the underlying story wasn't even true, just that there may actually be someone who can be identified who reported the false story. Again, the rule is 'if it hurts Bush and/or the military, truth be damned'.

DSG

exactly. thank you."He w

January 5, 2007 - 19:57 ET by kathleenirish

exactly. thank you.

"He who has a thousand friends has not a friend to spare, and he who has one enemy will meet him everywhere"          -Ali ibn-Abi-Talib, 4th Islamic Caliph

That's not true.  They have

January 5, 2007 - 20:02 ET by Barberian

That's not true.  They have a photo of him in Beirut under a plume of smoke.

Have been blaming the media f

January 5, 2007 - 20:07 ET by joe conservative

Have been blaming the media for failures in Iraq since invasion day back in March of 2003. Nothing is going to stop that, but history itself will prove that the media has been right, most of the time, and that the bloggers, sitting in their parent's basements, were very very wrong about this war.  

Basements?

January 5, 2007 - 20:10 ET by Barberian

I'll bet your sorry A$$ is sitting in the USA all comfy.

joe conservative Says: the

January 5, 2007 - 20:14 ET by DontFeedTheTrolls

joe conservative Says: the bloggers, sitting in their parent's basements, were very very wrong about this war.

You sure are wrong. Must be uncomfortable in that damp basement.

Spider hole!

January 5, 2007 - 20:21 ET by Barberian

Spider hole!

Bingo!"If we ever forget

January 5, 2007 - 20:27 ET by bigtimer

Bingo!

"If we ever forget that we are a Nation Under God....then we will be a Nation Gone Under."  Ronald Reagan

"Facts are stupid things

January 5, 2007 - 23:46 ET by joe conservative

"Facts are stupid things." '88 (slight misquote of John Adams, 'Facts are stubborn things.')    Ronald Reagan

Small fire going in the firep

January 5, 2007 - 20:25 ET by Clear thinker

Small fire going in the fireplace, looking out the windows of a lovely log a-frame watching a few lights twinkle on mountain ridges across from me. Pretty nice basement, huh joe?

Small fire

January 5, 2007 - 20:29 ET by Barberian

Sounds good to me ct.  All I see is sand!

Bar...

January 5, 2007 - 20:31 ET by Clear thinker

You on the beach?

Beach?

January 5, 2007 - 20:33 ET by Barberian

Not quite,  nooooo water at all!

Ah, that lovely desert.Thanks

January 5, 2007 - 20:35 ET by Blonde

Ah, that lovely desert.

Thanks, B. for what you're doing for us all.

Bar....It wasn't until I saw

January 5, 2007 - 20:39 ET by Clear thinker

Bar....

It wasn't until I saw Blondes post that I "got it". Here's wishing you godspeed and a big thank you from my whole family.

Desert!

January 5, 2007 - 20:41 ET by Barberian

Not that one right now but close to it and will probably be returning.  Thanks isn't necessary, save it for the ones that wear uniforms all the time.   Unfortunately they stand out more.

Bar....Well then... thanks fo

January 5, 2007 - 20:47 ET by Clear thinker

Bar....

Well then... thanks for being so humble about it.

You will still be in our prayers.

There's a bigger fight going

January 5, 2007 - 20:51 ET by Barberian

There's a bigger fight going on over there that's as important.  At least on NB you can see the resistance.

Barberian,Your modesty is adm

January 5, 2007 - 20:55 ET by Indiana Joe

Barberian,

Your modesty is admirable, but you're THERE, guy. Full-time or part-time, makes no difference to me, or US, if I may make so bold.

Respect, thanks, prayers, and Godspeed to you.
Joe Rodino

Barberian,Something akin to t

January 5, 2007 - 20:37 ET by bigtimer

Barberian,

Something akin to the Mojave Desert?

"If we ever forget that we are a Nation Under God....then we will be a Nation Gone Under."  Ronald Reagan

Mojave

January 5, 2007 - 20:43 ET by Barberian

No, unfortunately not now but I was born close to it.  Beautiful country!

Okay, got you! That is why I

January 5, 2007 - 20:48 ET by bigtimer

Okay, got you! That is why I was asking, (I lived in Mojave btw)...so I want you to know how much I thank you from the bottom of my heart, all of my family does....stay safe!

There aren't enough words invented to express my thanks.

"If we ever forget that we are a Nation Under God....then we will be a Nation Gone Under."  Ronald Reagan

"I have flown twice over

January 5, 2007 - 23:48 ET by joe conservative

"I have flown twice over Mt St Helens out on our west coast. I'm not a scientist and I don't know the figures, but I have a suspicion that that one little mountain has probably released more sulphur dioxide into the atmosphere of the world than has been released in the last ten years of automobile driving or things of that kind that people are so concerned about." Reagan '80. Actually, Mount St. Helens, at its peak activity, emitted about 2,000 tons of sulphur dioxide per day, compared with 81,000 tons per day by cars.

Why do you come here joe?Give

January 5, 2007 - 20:18 ET by bigtimer

Why do you come here joe?

Give me one good truthful answer, wait a minute, you still haven't given me a link that I asked for three times, why would I expect the truth from you...but what the heck, I'll give it one more try, my patience can be very stretched tonight.

"If we ever forget that we are a Nation Under God....then we will be a Nation Gone Under."  Ronald Reagan

Why do I come here.  To give

January 5, 2007 - 20:25 ET by joe conservative

Why do I come here.  To give you the TRUTH.  It's not a matter of the media being trustworthy. it's a matter of reporting things that are truly happening. many on the right want to blame the press and claim that it is the media that is presenting a false image of violence in iraq. well, those things are happening. car bombs kill dozens and dozens more show up dead in the streets of baghdad every morning. but many on the right claim that because one or two stories can't be authenticated to everyone's satisfaction, then all the other stories are made up. and the indisputable fact is that the press has done more than it's fair share of shilling for bush. they buried all the contrary evidence about wmd in the run up to the war, and all but ignored the downing street memo which said of the case for going to war "the facts were being fixed aroung the policy".

Wow.... this guy lives in an

January 5, 2007 - 20:29 ET by Clear thinker

Wow.... this guy lives in an alternate reality. Maybe not human, but definately a traitor!

To give you the TRUTH.You wou

January 5, 2007 - 20:30 ET by bigtimer

To give you the TRUTH.

You wouldn't know what that word means joe.

Where is the link for Malkin? For the sixth time now.

"If we ever forget that we are a Nation Under God....then we will be a Nation Gone Under."  Ronald Reagan