In apparent pursuit of their status as the chief news source for Islam in the west, the AP published a puff piece about how wonderful it is for young Americans to participate in the Muslim practice of the Hajj -- a required pilgrimage to Mecca.
Here is how wonderful and instructive it is...
The 20-year-old American tells his hajj pilgrimage stories ... and saw a man drop dead while circling the Kaaba.
Well, how "inspiring" it is to see a man drop dead at a religious function. Is that the sort of thing that should be praised as a civilized expression of religion?
"Dude, I saw it, the guy had the most peaceful smile on his face," (said) Adil Muschelewicz ... Muschelewicz didn't know the cause of the man's death -- exhaustion maybe, he said -- but it became one of the many powerful religious moments that have shaken him during the trip.
"I looked at his face and I looked at the Kaaba, and it was like he was happy, he'd gotten close to God. It just went boom, like this deep bass line in my heart," he said. "It was so emotional. I was by myself, in this wild place I'd never been before."
Isn't this somewhat shocking? Is it a western ideal to have people keeling over dead at religious services? Is it something we should celebrate for our children?
For the AP it is a great thing, it appears.
For young American Muslims far from home, the hajj pilgrimage is an awesome adventure that they say deepens their faith and connects them with the wide range of Muslim peoples.
The AP also seemed to have a multicultural orgasm as they praised the "soundtrack" of "languages" present during the Hajj.
It is also a sensory overload, with a soundtrack in languages from around the world -- Arabic, English, Turkish, Malay and Bahasa, Urdu and Hindi. Intense poverty collides with wealth, with some pilgrims sleeping on the garbage-strewn pavement and others staying in "five-star" tents with meals and other facilities provided.
Are we advocating for our children to go to Mecca and sleep on garbage strewn streets?
Just what the heck is so great about this and why is the AP celebrating it so? It all seems rather perplexing until you get to the AP's real message. A little later in the piece we see the AP's real point revealed. The AP is celebrating American Muslims distancing themselves from the west and gaining "connection to the Middle East" to give them a fuller expression of Islam.
But for American Muslim parents, it is also a chance to connect their children with a religious heritage they have only heard about growing up in the U.S. Some of the younger pilgrims -- children of immigrants from the Islamic world -- may have occasionally visited their parents' homelands. Others, whose parents are converts to Islam -- like Muschelewicz -- have less direct connection to the Middle East.
Obviously the AP is pushing the idea that one cannot be a proper Muslim in the USA and that one needs a "connection" to the Middle East to be a better observer of the faith.
But, it is doubtful that religion is what the AP is concerned about. What they are concerned about is furthering the proposition that the USA is somehow a lesser place. Lesser for Muslims or anyone else. The USA, in the AP's eyes, retards the proper development of a Muslim as it does development of anything else besides self-centered, consumer driven, halfwits that are not cosmopolitan enough to celebrate other cultures.
Yes, when all is said and done, this is just another excuse for the AP to bash the west and the USA and another way for the AP to advocate that our youth distance themselves from it.
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"Intense poverty collides wit
Thu, 01/04/2007 - 10:04 ET by i was just thinking"Intense poverty collides with wealth, with some pilgrims sleeping on the garbage-strewn pavement and others staying in "five-star" tents with meals and other facilities provided."
How odd that is, considering that the reason for everyone dressing as they do is to take away the appearance of rich vs. poor. Hajj is supposed to be a great equalizer. Surprising that the article doesn't condemn that. Wait... not it's not surprising at all.
This may seem so proposterous
Thu, 01/04/2007 - 10:06 ET by JimboThis may seem so proposterous and unlikely, but here goes -
In 20 years or so, when this country is a much different place, with great swatches of our geography rendered unihabitable, history will look back at this as just another line in a long list of red flags that should have been dealt with at the time.
Jimbo -preposterous?
Thu, 01/04/2007 - 10:22 ET by misterbillJimbo -preposterous?-- not at all. I think you are simply stating a very likely situation. I am not sure it will take 20 years.
The two major factors are--Islamic terrorists and immigration.
Immigration in America is largely Mexican. Immigration in Europe is largely Muslim.
Each of these groups bring with them different aspects of life that clash with the customs of the countries they are inhabiting. As bad as the American relationship is with Europe (ungrateful bastards!) it will be complete enmity when the takeover of Europe is complete. We here in America will have to learn to live with corrupt government, acceptance of bribery as a way of life and , perhaps, the world's worst crime rate. Since politicians pander to people for votes, one can be assured that with our current lack of law enforcement and a booming false ID industry, we will soon have outright criminals in office. Sorry, I tend to go on because I feel that most people in America are walking around in a state of ignorance and just don't get it.
And before 911 we were also
Thu, 01/04/2007 - 10:33 ET by Dan The Man 2And before 911 we were also wandering around the desert in a state of ignorance. It usually takes a drastic change or event to wake us up, we are now getting sleepy again.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark. -- save my gun, shoot a liberal.
Agreed. And that is exactly w
Thu, 01/04/2007 - 10:41 ET by JimboAgreed.
And that is exactly why we need to be on our guard now more than ever. This is not the time to be questioning the President and trying to undermine his efforts to keep us safe (not that it ever was the time). If and when something else happens, it disgusts me to think that the media will imediately begin to say the President did not do enough.
Hey Warner, do they have a Mickey Dee's at Mecca?
Thu, 01/04/2007 - 10:21 ET by acaiguanaHey Warner, do they have a Mickey Dee's at Mecca?
"It is also a sensory overload, with a soundtrack in languages from around the world -- Arabic, English, Turkish, Malay and Bahasa, Urdu and Hindi. Intense poverty collides with wealth, with some pilgrims sleeping on the garbage-strewn pavement and others staying in "five-star" tents with meals and other facilities provided."
It's sort of one of my resort requirements.
I only go to places that imitate San Francisco, home of Nancy Pelosi.
ACA
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Acaiguana says: "Which city is next?"
aca-- your question---
Thu, 01/04/2007 - 10:25 ET by misterbillaca-- your question---"which city is next". Do you have a feel for which city it may be? Oh, BTW, when I mentioned this possibility to a couple of friends they thought it was a case of paranoia.
It's OK to be paranoid. They're really after ya.
Thu, 01/04/2007 - 10:31 ET by acaiguanaIt's OK to be paranoid. They're really after ya.
If I knew the answer to your question, I wouldn't be posting on this site, I'd be in the Stock Market running the world.
ACA
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Acaiguana says: "Which city is next?"
There must be a smallish city
Thu, 01/04/2007 - 11:04 ET by JPR1There must be a smallish city near Tehran. I say start there.
There was a bit on Glenn Beck
Fri, 01/05/2007 - 00:53 ET by MikeBThere was a bit on Glenn Beck this evening indicating Phoenix, AZ may be the nexus of terrorist plans. I hope not, but I don't see why not.
"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." Ronald Reagan
I'm thinking Trenton, New Jer
Thu, 01/04/2007 - 10:34 ET by Ruths husband BenI'm thinking Trenton, New Jersey.
Trenton
Thu, 01/04/2007 - 13:59 ET by UnsaneI never could get over seeing the rows of crack-houses directly across the street from the State Capitol.
"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???." - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)
I don't know if Mecca has McD
Thu, 01/04/2007 - 10:32 ET by i was just thinkingI don't know if Mecca has McD's or not, but they're all around us here in Riyadh! (I work in Riyadh.) McDonald's, KFC, Domino's Pizza, Pizza Hut, Baskin Robbins, Hardee's, Burger King, Subway, Quiznos, Chili's, Applebee's, GMC, Ford, Hummers, Cadillacs, Starbuck's, Seattle's Best, Coke, Pepsi, Pappa John's. You name it, we've got it!
Everything but Pauly's corner bar, huh?
Thu, 01/04/2007 - 10:38 ET by acaiguanaEverything but Pauly's corner bar, huh?
ACA
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Acaiguana says: "Which city is next?"
I think that is one of the
Fri, 01/05/2007 - 01:26 ET by MyKindaSpamI think that is one of the "problems" that anger the Islamists. They are surrounded by permissive American images that temp and seduce good Muslims into a decadent and immoral way of life. They are so angry that Americans are infiltrating and contaminating their society that they want to strike back at us. I love it when I see footage of angry Muslims bashing the US as immoral and evil while they are wearing a Nike hat or a Ralph Lauren shirt. I guess they are able to be outraged at the US invasion as long as they still get to eat a Happy Meal or buy nice Reeboks.
Well, I have to partially agr
Thu, 01/04/2007 - 10:29 ET by Ruths husband BenWell, I have to partially agree with this young man. It would be a religious experience for me to see some of those terrorists drop dead....although I wouldn't care if they had a smile on their face (or even had a face left) when they dropped dead. I don't see how seeing an innocent man die can get him so worked up, however. Osama, where are you when we need you? The whole world is waiting for you to cheer us up by kicking the bucket!
AP Cheering On Islam Again
Thu, 01/04/2007 - 10:47 ET by emjem24Well, this AP article really gave me a good laugh. America can't seem to do anything right in their eyes, even Islam! Gosh, I bet they wish they were the main indoctrination source for Al Queda. Oh, that's right, they are. Why does anybody take these people seriously? I mean, let's go to the Hajj so that we can get closer to Allah and then die. Oh, how glorious. Well, AP, here's another little scenario for ya. Why don't you send a memo out to all the terrorists, including bin Laden, say, "Hey, boys, show us how you celebrate the death of Americans at the hajj, and we'll gladly videotape and interview you." However, instead of the AP, it's the US military and the terrorists get blown up into a billion bits (like they've done to countless victims). That would be more fitting, now wouldn't it? I say, the less fundamentalist muslims there are, the better off we'll all be. Hear that, Indonesia?
The difficult we do immediately; the impossible takes a little longer. Air Force Motto
Why is death so celebrated?
Thu, 01/04/2007 - 11:15 ET by CrimsonfistedWhy is death so celebrated? What was so wrong with this kid that he didn't notice something was wrong with this man and HELP him or get him help? Wouldn't a normal person do that.
I guess it is only an American thing to help someone in need.
Because, in my opinion, the r
Thu, 01/04/2007 - 11:21 ET by JimboBecause, in my opinion, the religion is based on violence and the glory in dying for the religion. It is what it is. But we need to stop treating it like something its not.
courage
Thu, 01/04/2007 - 11:26 ET by iveseenitallThat Vet had selfless courage--something sadly lacking in life today-- except for our military --God Bless Them.
NEVER,NEVER trust a liberal
According to the AP and the M
Thu, 01/04/2007 - 13:18 ET by donsalesAccording to the AP and the MSM in this country.....
Dying for Allah is good, while
Dying for Christ is a very bad thing.......
Go figure.......
Nowhere to Run....Nowhere To Hide.....
Somethin fishy with a 50 year
Thu, 01/04/2007 - 12:25 ET by Dan The Man 2Somethin fishy with a 50 year old vietnam Vet. I am 50 in Feb and remember being 16 in 1973 the year the war ended. Hmmm, so how can u be a 50 year old and Vietnam Vet.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark. -- save my gun, shoot a liberal.
Yes, and the article was up
Thu, 01/04/2007 - 14:50 ET by CrimsonfistedYes, and the article was updated about that. Even if the journalist got the background wrong, this man still risked his life for a stranger. And if he had no military or survival training at all, just an Average Joe, that makes this act even more amazing.
Somethin fishy with a 50 year
Thu, 01/04/2007 - 12:25 ET by Dan The Man 2Duplicate
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark. -- save my gun, shoot a liberal.
new campaign
Thu, 01/04/2007 - 11:32 ET by CatherwoodI saw this earlier in the week and wrote a little blurb about how dangerous it was for Americans to perceive all these Muslims as peaceful people or to see Islam as a peaceful religion. Neither is true. To make matters worse, we now have the msm promoting such ideas every day. Just like the msm supported the dims and had America believing in the likes of Pelosi and Reid, now they are trying to get us to believe that all these Muslims going to and from the Hajj have all these wonderful, touchy-feely, Islamo moments that we should relate to and be fascinated by. Give me a break. I have never heard any Muslims say anything for America. I have never heard one say that America is a great country and we're proud to be Americans. That's because they aren't and never intend to be Americans. They are Muslims living in a country they hope to one day take over and destroy. Yeah, sure I am really interested in what some future terrorist did at the Hajj whatever the heck that is.
People should be a bit hesita
Thu, 01/04/2007 - 11:57 ET by futbolisgreatPeople should be a bit hesitant about Muslim and the intent of even the so called moderate Muslims.
In Spain right now there is a fight between Muslims and Catholics over the Cordoba Cathedral. It was a Mosque until the 13th century, after Spain was able to kick the Moros out of Spain it converted the Mosque into a Cathedral.
Today with Spain having over 800,000 immigrant Muslims, they want to take back the Cordoba Cathedral. A lot of people do not know that in Islam any conquered land, building, property belongs to the Muslims forever! there have even been calls by the likes of Osama Bin Laden and other Muslim nutjobs to reclaim AL-Andalus (Andaluzia, Spain) as a Muslim nation.
I predict that if Europe doesn't stand up to Muslims now, in about 100 years "La Reconquista" will have been done by the Muslims.
One last point, why isn't the media as sympathetic to Christianity as they are to Islam, why? Does anyone have an idea?
"...disgusting, unAmerican draft-dodger..." Liberal Zapata/Tom talking about draft-dodgers. Thus asserting what we have always known about Slicky Willie Clinton
futbolisgreat,Excellent post
Thu, 01/04/2007 - 12:07 ET by Svenfutbolisgreat,
Excellent post and right on the mark!
Many countries in Europe are now having problems with Muslims demanding that they be allowed to practice the Muslim Sharia Law amonst those Muslims living in these countries.
If I'm not mistaken, Sweden and France have already begun to allow Muslims to practice these Sharia Laws! I agree 100% with your assessment that Europe will lose its unique identity. I, however, think it's going to happen sooner than you do.
I think Europes continual caving to these people is emplowering these radical Muslims. Want to bet that these Muslims will next demand that this Sharia Law be extended to non-Muslims?
Europeans today are so effete
Thu, 01/04/2007 - 12:24 ET by donsalesEuropeans today are so effete and civilized that they have all turned into Crusader Rabbits.........
Nowhere to Run....Nowhere To Hide.....
Europeans today are so effete
Thu, 01/04/2007 - 12:39 ET by SvenEuropeans today are so effete and civilized that they are all turned into Crusader Rabbits.......Nowhere to Run......Nowhere to Hide.......
And....constantly grabbing their ankles in the name of political correctness!
LOL....It's gone beyond PC...
Thu, 01/04/2007 - 12:46 ET by donsalesLOL....
It's gone beyond PC.....I really think they've all gone brain dead....
Nowhere to Run....Nowhere To Hide.....
No offence, but you talk li
Thu, 01/04/2007 - 12:07 ET by kafkakaeferNo offence, but you talk like an average german Nazi talked about german jews in 1938. Perhaps there are some muslim on this website who want to talk about their patriotism (I'd say ask the soldiers first).
"Hegel says somewhere all great events and personalities in world history reappear in one fashion or another. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce."
The Eighteeenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1852) sect. 1, Cf.
Can you tell me the date in 1
Thu, 01/04/2007 - 12:15 ET by JimboCan you tell me the date in 1938 that a band of Jews flew four airliners into German buildings in the name of their god?
The Nazi to Jew vs Muslim to the rest of the world analogy is so rediculous I can't belive I am responding to you.
???????????????????????????
Thu, 01/04/2007 - 12:16 ET by kafkakaefer??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Or to clarify my remark: I was talking about the guy posting that nonsense above (he is the one sounding like a nazi (although he isn't one (hopefully)))
"Hegel says somewhere all great events and personalities in world history reappear in one fashion or another. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce."
The Eighteeenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1852) sect. 1, Cf.
kaka-no 'offence'. hmmm-tha
Thu, 01/04/2007 - 14:20 ET by kathleenirishkaka-no 'offence'. hmmm-that spelling says a lot.
There's nothing as boring and predictable as a liberal pulling out the 'Nazi' perjorative and hurling against the ususal target. Except, it's a more apt term when applied to the Islamofascists and themselves.
"He who has a thousand friends has not a friend to spare, and he who has one enemy will meet him everywhere" -Ali ibn-Abi-Talib, 4th Islamic Caliph
kafkakefer, nice to see that
Thu, 01/04/2007 - 12:22 ET by futbolisgreatkafkakefer, nice to see that instead of dealing with the facts you throw out instuls.....typical of those that cant' argue with facts.
Please educate yourself as to what is happening in Spain and with the Cordoba Cathedral before you throw out Ad-homonym attacks.
Either destroy my argument with facts or shut-up.
and as for sounding like a 1938 Nazi, you might want to travel to the Middle East and listen to Muslims talk about Jews, you might want to travel to Europe and listen to Muslims in Europe and even non-Muslims in Europe talk about the Jews. You m ight also look into the name registry of Muslim nations, in the top 10 names used by Muslims, Hitler is there!
You might also want to travel to Muslim nations and ask Christians if they are being persecuted by the Muslim majority. You might want to travel to the Muslim nations where Christian children are beheaded on their way to school for the mere fact of being Christian.
the list can go on and on and on buddy......
As for an Ameircan soldier who is Muslim being patriotic to the USA, I don't doubt there are plenty, but there are also those soldiers, like the one that threw a granade and killed his fellow soldiers that have joined our military to learn how to do harm to the West and America.
"...disgusting, unAmerican draft-dodger..." Liberal Zapata/Tom talking about draft-dodgers. Thus asserting what we have always known about Slicky Willie Clinton
My reply went to Catherwood
Thu, 01/04/2007 - 12:29 ET by kafkakaeferMy reply went to Catherwood not to you.
"Hegel says somewhere all great events and personalities in world history reappear in one fashion or another. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce."
The Eighteeenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1852) sect. 1, Cf.
I believe she made some ver
Thu, 01/04/2007 - 12:58 ET by RunningBeerI believe she made some very valid points. I'd love to hear more from the US and world muslim communities as to why they aren't denouncing the murders committed in the name of their god. Problem is they don't seem interested in doing so. From that silence we are left to draw our own conclusions, and the conclusion is.... (see above).
AP
Thu, 01/04/2007 - 12:16 ET by seejayMost of us, by now, understand AP's plans.
They do a good job of showing us that islam is just one of many religions. And that they're all false! Once again the enemedia seeks to take advantage of our sense of fair-play. How can we call Kalid-the-muslim nuts but not call Evangelical Christians or Baptists nuts as well? These guys play with poisonous snakes and speak in tongues! Any reasonable person must conclude that our belief in a "God" itself is the real problem!
Humanity must elvolve and put away such childish notions as "Gods". The time has come for our species to take the next step: To abandon the comfort and peace of mind that can accompany faith in favor of the insecurity and emptieness that comes with socialism. And AP will be there to lead the charge! To enjoy it's constitutionally protected place as the arbiters of all knowledge. No hidden motives here!
IMHO islam is clearly the enemy of civilization and should be destroyed. Some folks will ridicule me for this, but after the next attack on us, or the next, more Americans will see the light. I'd like muslims to see the light as well. The light if a nuclear firestorm over Mecca.
Hey now! I'm Baptist (I'm eve
Thu, 01/04/2007 - 13:35 ET by Eric TurnerHey now! I'm Baptist (I'm even Southern Baptist) and I don't play with snakes or speak in tongues. I wanna play with snakes too!
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"Perpetual itching without benefit of scratching to the enemies of America." - July 4th toast during the Revolution
seejay mon ami
Thu, 01/04/2007 - 14:04 ET by tumbler_2007Some folks will ridicule you for this. Not I.
I'll make you understand, if not believe. Christians are not all alike, we have divisions. On the side of snake-handlers & Kool-Ade drinking fanatics are some Old Time religionists with nothing more than good intent. They practice their forms of virtue. Every aspect of it a Bible interpretation-- of men.
The better aspect is a Church founded by Jesus Christ, ratified for us forever in His Precious Blood (note the capitals.) We are Catholics, the one sheepfold, in obedience and faith. The apostles spread the Word, and gave us the New Testament. Our faith is in one Person, the Son of God. He came as a lamb to save us. Including non-believers like yourself. You may refuse to follow Him as you please. He has never commanded you to believe. He loves you; and He died to save you from sin.
You'll question the concept. Every evil in creation comes because of mens' sins. Your "conclusion" that faith is the cause of our problems is even the result of sin; some of the sin your own. Not all; my own as well. And when your words turn to "any reasonable person" as if you are reasonable; it's absurd. The greatest minds of our world's last two millennia were believers in One God. Many belived in God's Holy Son. Many were founders of the world's foremost universities; such as Cambridge, Oxford, the Sorbonne, Cologne, Heidlberg, Alcala de Henares, Salamanca --and many more. They founded orphages and schools for the poor. Hospitals? By the thousands. Were they scientists? Mendel, Pasteur, the Curies, and going back, Leonardo Da Vinci; one of history's most brilliant thinkers. ART? Leonardo, Michelangelo, Giotto, and then hosts of great composers and writers. All Catholics and FREE to believe or not, as they chose.
Are there many distinguished agnostics and atheists going back centuries? Yes, it's to be expected. Voltaire; no founder of hospitals or schools, Darwin, being discredited today. Same with Freud. In fact, even THEY were trained and educated in Catholic schools.
Our faith has no clause in it wishing the death and destruction of Muslims or pagans or atheists. We live in a communion called divine LOVE. Joy comes from loving, not hurting our neighbors. As our sainted Mother Theresa of Calcutta loved the poor. As Benedict XVI loves us, who recently dared the Muslim Turks to take his life if it pleases them. He went to Turkey and calmed the fears of even his supposed enemies. With loving attention. Not hatred or accusations. He is the best representative of Christ so far today. You may mock him and curse him. He won't turn his back on you. Neither do we; here as friends. But we expect you to learn while you can. --Glad you came here, to just the right place for a non-Christian. For now just take baby steps, OK? CIAO.
Contradiction
Thu, 01/04/2007 - 14:31 ET by UnsaneWhat's with this Niagara Falls of words? Brevity is the soul of wit! Can't you be concise?
"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???." - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)
yeah; I'm a little winded
Thu, 01/04/2007 - 14:41 ET by tumbler_2007Oh, yes. It was long and not easy; but now I'm even with you, insane.
I've had to do it like the little engine that could;--Think I can, think I can, Thin--Ki Can, Oof! I hope ya don't object.
AP
Thu, 01/04/2007 - 16:55 ET by seejayTumbler,
I'm sure you meant well.
But did you really read my post?
I hate to have to explain my comments. But I was paraphrasing the arguments of AP and the left, not making any argument against Christians, whatever variety. I'm on your side.
I might suggest another, slower reading of my original comment.
AP
Thu, 01/04/2007 - 16:56 ET by seejayTumbler,
I'm sure you meant well.
But did you really read my post?
I hate to have to explain my comments. But I was paraphrasing the arguments of AP and the left, not making any argument against Christians, whatever variety. I'm on your side.
I might suggest another, slower reading of my original comment.
AP
Thu, 01/04/2007 - 17:01 ET by seejaySorry for double post.
Here we have a religion that
Thu, 01/04/2007 - 11:54 ET by mattmHere we have a religion that promotes suppression of women, strict legalism, forced conversions, violence against "the infidel" and all sorts of weird fanatical practices, and a "Liberal" and "secular" medium like the A.P., which traditionally is against the 'backward' practices and beliefs of religion, is actively promoting it.
I don't get this. I thought the Liberal secularists had determined long ago that religion was a crutch for the weak-minded, a tool for oppressors to foster ignorance, a catalyst for tyranny and war and a way to control the masses, and that it was to be opposed at all costs in favor of the intellectually superior "non-religion" of Secular Humanism.
If the Jihadis have succeeded in infiltrating and subverting the MSM, I'd like to know how they did it. Those of us on, and in, the Right could employ the same methods...perhaps.
I think the answer is simple
Thu, 01/04/2007 - 12:06 ET by JimboI think the answer is simple and straightforward. The MSM gravitates toward the Muslim religion because they share the common goal of undermining our country. In the case of the Muslims, it is consious and in some cases overt, and in the MSM it is sometimes subconsious. Either way - common goal.
Jimbo - it's the old "th
Thu, 01/04/2007 - 12:24 ET by RackieJimbo - it's the old "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" way of thinking.
Hmmm, I wonder?Would the MSM
Thu, 01/04/2007 - 11:55 ET by SvenHmmm, I wonder?
Would the MSM be feeling this same sense of the wonder of ethnic and religious diversity if Muslims were to come to this country and learn how Evangelicals, Catholics and Jews worship?
Oh wait, I forgot, these religious affliations teach hate, violence and murder.
"Mecca or bust!"
I have trouble taking serious
Thu, 01/04/2007 - 12:21 ET by Chris NormanI have trouble taking seriously anyone who begins his comment with "Dude"...
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
- Arabian Proverb
Dude, that is so dudeist.It
Thu, 01/04/2007 - 12:23 ET by Jack BauerDude, that is so dudeist.
It's gotta be against the law.
Proud member of the all-powerful and vast militarist/industrialist/capitalist/zionist-bagelist complex
Give me a six pack of beer an
Thu, 01/04/2007 - 12:32 ET by Chris NormanGive me a six pack of beer and send me to a sensitivity training session run by skateboarders...
By the way, there's nothing worse than sitting around waiting for another feeding by "management" - preferably something with red meat in it. Sigh. I guess I can scare up some work to do around here...
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
- Arabian Proverb
muslim american
Thu, 01/04/2007 - 12:44 ET by CatherwoodIs there such a term as Muslim-American? You know, like African-American?
Now, I'll just wait until I'm called a Nazi or a liar?
For you who have discussed the Muslim take over of Europe, remember this. The takeover is already in progress and will manifest itself in several violent acts within the next year. There will be cruel bombing in Spain, France and England. France is in for riots, buring neighborhoods, and random killings. Hopefully, the pending disasters in those countries will give America enough of a warning to help facilitate a defense. Ah, the peaceful world of Islam is upon us.
The French were all happy tha
Thu, 01/04/2007 - 13:28 ET by kathleenirishThe French were all happy that 'only' 400 cars were burned in Muslim riots on New Year's this year! Now, that's something to celebrate!
Look at the Wall Street Journal today about Belgium and the ritual slaughter of lambs/sheep by Muslims recently. Can't wait for the next episode.
"He who has a thousand friends has not a friend to spare, and he who has one enemy will meet him everywhere" -Ali ibn-Abi-Talib, 4th Islamic Caliph
Helps new Peugeout sales. :)T
Thu, 01/04/2007 - 13:35 ET by Chris NormanHelps Renault sales. :)
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
- Arabian Proverb
Dude, you're messing with my style here.
Thu, 01/04/2007 - 13:05 ET by acaiguanaDude, you're messing with my style here.
ACA
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Acaiguana says: "Which city is next?"
If it weren't about Muslims?
Thu, 01/04/2007 - 12:57 ET by WoCoTerrierIf it weren't about Muslims, would there be criticism about this story? Many thousands of Christians travel to holy cities in the Middle East as a way to get "closer to their faith." Why is that any different from Muslims doing the same thing?
I'm with you that much of the time, the MSM, including the AP, has an agenda ... but I'm not sure this is one of those times.
Are you equating a Christian
Thu, 01/04/2007 - 13:07 ET by RunningBeerAre you equating a Christian deciding on their own to visit the birthplace of Jesus with the requirement of young muslims to risk their death in a pilgrimage? Do you work for the AP?
You are incorrectly character
Thu, 01/04/2007 - 13:27 ET by WoCoTerrierYou are incorrectly characterizing hajj. It is "required" of "able-bodied" and financially able Muslims, and you are very much overstating that it is a "requirement of young muslims to risk their death in pilgrimage." While it is true that there have been incidents and deaths, the hajj itself is not life-threatening. They don't have to go through a torture ritual or anything like that. It may be physically taxing, and incidents such as the one last January in which hundreds were trampled are the exception rather than the rule.
Fewer than 10 percent of Muslims actually are make the hajj.
No, I do not work for the AP, and I'm not a Muslim.
I'm definitely not an expert
Thu, 01/04/2007 - 13:39 ET by RunningBeerI'm definitely not an expert in the details of muslim rituals so thank you for the clarification on whos required to attend. Bottom line though... your comparison was an extreme reach.
Too bad you're not a muslim, we're looking for answers on why they don't publically denounce the terrorism.
Are the differences of Islam
Thu, 01/04/2007 - 13:16 ET by dvdaughtryAre the differences of Islam and Christianity really that ellusive? I'll tell you the bottom line, driving force difference (outside of Jesus Christ) is free will.
With Islam it's convert or death, with Christianity it's take it or leave it--your choice.
If you think Christianity is intolorant, wait until you get a load of Islam.
dvdaughtery,Spot on!!
Thu, 01/04/2007 - 13:18 ET by Svendvdaughtery,
Spot on!!
much better even
Thu, 01/04/2007 - 13:23 ET by tumbler_2007LOVE, the faith of Christians
CURSES --the faith of Muslims
You see it every day in the media coverages, no way to disguise it, Islamic males screaming their fury like demons. No women in sight; except dead bodies on the street.
One hates tyranny, the other
Thu, 01/04/2007 - 13:53 ET by Eric TurnerOne hates tyranny, the other hates freedom. You figure it out!
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"Perpetual itching without benefit of scratching to the enemies of America." - July 4th toast during the Revolution
They're missing someone ...
Thu, 01/04/2007 - 13:24 ET by EllisWyattWhere's the jailhouse interview with John Walker Lindh? Wouldn't he be the ideal interviewee for this article?
If you're not outraged at the media, you haven't been paying attention.