Assume for a second that it is 1945, and it has just been learned that Adolf Hitler is dead. Would America’s media offer this madman the respect of referring to him as “Mr. Hitler?” Well, if the newspaper in question was the New York Times, the answer might definitely be “Yes,” for in a New Year’s day article about the supposed “rush to hang” the former genocidal leader of Iraq, the Times regularly referred to the now demised despot as “Mr. Hussein” (emphasis mine throughout):
With his plain pine coffin strapped into an American military helicopter for a predawn journey across the desert, Saddam Hussein, the executed dictator who built a legend with his defiance of America, completed a turbulent passage into history on Sunday.
Like the helicopter trip, just about everything in the 24 hours that began with Mr. Hussein’s being taken to his execution from his cell in an American military detention center in the postmidnight chill of Saturday had a surreal and even cinematic quality.
Fascinating. So, in the Times’ view, “Mr. Hussein” is a legend? How marvelous. The article continued:
Iraqi and American officials who have discussed the intrigue and confusion that preceded the decision late on Friday to rush Mr. Hussein to the gallows have said that it was the Americans who questioned the political wisdom — and justice — of expediting the execution, in ways that required Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki to override constitutional and religious precepts that might have assured Mr. Hussein a more dignified passage to his end.
The Americans’ concerns seem certain to have been heightened by what happened at the hanging, as evidenced in video recordings made just before Mr. Hussein fell through the gallows trapdoor at 6:10 a.m. on Saturday. A new video that appeared on the Internet late Saturday, apparently made by a witness with a camera cellphone, underscored the unruly, mocking atmosphere in the execution chamber.
Hmmm. Unruly and mocking. I guess it shouldn’t be at all surprising that the Times likely believes this despot ought be afforded significantly more respectful treatment than its editorial staff typically gives the President of the United States or any politician with an “R” next to his or her name. Regardless of the seemingly obvious hypocrisy, the article continued:
But a narrative assembled from accounts by various American officials, and by Iraqis present at some of the crucial meetings between the two sides, shows that it was the Americans who counseled caution in the way the Iraqis carried out the hanging. The issues uppermost in the Americans’ minds, these officials said, were a provision in Iraq’s new Constitution that required the three-man presidency council to approve hangings, and a stipulation in a longstanding Iraqi law that no executions can be carried out during the Id al-Adha holiday, which began for Iraqi Sunnis on Saturday and Shiites on Sunday.
A senior Iraqi official said the Americans staked out their ground at a meeting on Thursday, 48 hours after an appeals court had upheld the death sentence passed on Mr. Hussein and two associates. They were convicted in November of crimes against humanity for the persecution of the Shiite townspeople of Dujail, north of Baghdad, in 1982. Mr. Hussein, as president, signed a decree to hang 148 men and teenage boys.
Told that Mr. Maliki wanted to carry out the death sentence on Mr. Hussein almost immediately, and not wait further into the 30-day deadline set by the appeals court, American officers at the Thursday meeting said that they would accept any decision but needed assurance that due process had been followed before relinquishing physical custody of Mr. Hussein.
Yet, in the end, it appears that Iraqis made the decision:
“The Iraqis seemed quite frustrated, saying, ‘Who is going to execute him, anyway, you or us?’ The Americans replied by saying that obviously, it was the Iraqis who would carry out the hanging. So the Iraqis said, ‘This is our problem and we will handle the consequences. If there is any damage done, it is we who will be damaged, not you.’
So, the Iraqis appear to have taken control of this situation. If this is the case, shouldn’t this be celebrated rather than questioned?
—Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters.





















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The NYT is so predictably war
January 1, 2007 - 14:36 ET by Chris NormanThe NYT is so predictably warped, we could have probably written the thing for them as a satire and still not have been too far off from the real deal...
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
- Arabian Proverb
At least the NY Times came
January 1, 2007 - 14:40 ET by motherbeltAt least the NY Times came down on the American side of the argument, for a change.
... so far, motherbelt... let
January 1, 2007 - 14:58 ET by Indiana Joe... so far, motherbelt... let's wait and see what the "spin" is next week.
Probably that we should have done more to help maintain "Mr. Hussein's" so-called "dignity."
Just give them time, they'll figure out a way to make this GWB's fault...
Note the line about "...Americans, who turned him into a pariah..." Gee, I would have thought it was the murders and invasions and funding suicide-bombers that made Saddam a "pariah." Nope, it was US!
What was I thinking?
The Times is acting bipolar
January 1, 2007 - 16:15 ET by motherbeltThe Times is acting bipolar....first they complain that we didn't give the Iraqis authority quickly enough. Then we allow them to try, and convict this monster in their own court, which is as it should be. And the Times complains that we allowed them to operate by their own rules. Is it any wonder that his lawyers appealed to the American court system for a stay? I wonder if the Times would have been in favor of an American judge delaying the execution.
"The Times is acting bip
January 1, 2007 - 17:28 ET by Indiana Joe"The Times is acting bipolar...."
And your point is...?
I remember at least one thread recently pointing out that the NYT seems to have no problem contradicting themselves. What was it... ? Very recently, too, like maybe last Friday or so? Damn, I forget, but I remember commenting that they had their butt covered either way, since they actually argued both sides of an issue in separate articles. In that same thread, misterbill made a similar point about a different issue... wish I could remember....
Point being, the NYT has no problem changing tacks when it suits them. And they'll just carry on as if they'd never said anything different than whatever they say at the moment.
Liberal Debating Skills 101.
IJ misterbill
January 1, 2007 - 17:32 ET by misterbillI don't remember the issue either but at my age yesterday seems like ten years ago in terms of memory. I was once a Times subscriber. I have found a way to get their crossword puzzles without their liberal B***S*** and I no longer look back at them. I hope their extreme positions leave them with only extreme readers!!!!!
Why wait until next week? I f
January 2, 2007 - 04:22 ET by NortonalecWhy wait until next week? I found this link to an Australian site. The American nurse who looked after Sadam was interviewed, and it sems he grew fond of "Mr. Hussein". I think the part about feeding the birds is an especially nice touch.
http://www.news.com....
Nortonalec
On the "Mr." bit . . . the NY
January 1, 2007 - 14:45 ET by NoMoreClintonsOn the "Mr." bit . . . the NYT uses MR. for every male in the second reference and thereafter.
I've never seen an exception to this (not that I read it every day, mind you). They are just folllowing their own style book. SHOULD it have been used is another issue . . . and the answer there is probably not because he doesn't deserve a "Mr."
We've noticed that the MSM li
January 1, 2007 - 15:01 ET by kathleenirishWe've noticed that the MSM likes to call President Bush, "Mr. Bush", as much as they can, when the 'president' title is the appropriate one.
"He who has a thousand friends has not a friend to spare, and he who has one enemy will meet him everywhere" -Ali ibn-Abi-Talib, 4th Islamic Caliph
Not to come in defense of the
January 1, 2007 - 15:15 ET by UnsaneNot to come in defense of the MSM, but on various media in the 1990s the President was sometimes referred to as "Mr. Clinton". Now, as to the frequency of usage or either "Mr. Bush" or "Mr. Clinton"...well, that's another story.
"Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy." -Sir Winston Churchill, British statesman (1874-1965)
MR. Bill says Mr. Hussein
January 1, 2007 - 14:49 ET by misterbillMR. Bill says Mr. Hussein is where he belongs. Those bloody fools at the NYTimes mourn the death of one who has mercilessly killed thousands. Yet the same bloody fools advocate the murder of unborn and newborn (partial birth) babies.
Go figure.
Again, I may sound like a doomsayer, but we cannot continue on this path in our country. Illegals, abortions, PC, where and when will it end?
France?The dogs bark, but the
January 1, 2007 - 14:54 ET by Chris NormanFrance?
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
- Arabian Proverb
The Union of Soviet Socialist
January 1, 2007 - 14:57 ET by kathleenirishThe Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. D.O.A.
"He who has a thousand friends has not a friend to spare, and he who has one enemy will meet him everywhere" -Ali ibn-Abi-Talib, 4th Islamic Caliph
I don't think even the whacke
January 1, 2007 - 15:05 ET by Chris NormanI don't think even the whacked-out liberal crowd want to end up as the old USSR. They would settle for us being a socialist controlled, politically correct, impotent nation. Like... France
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
- Arabian Proverb
I was just thinking that Mr.
January 1, 2007 - 15:10 ET by kathleenirishI was just thinking that Mr. Bill's list is the same things that happened in the USSR, and as a nation I don't think we can keep going down that road and stay whole, the breakdown is coming.
"He who has a thousand friends has not a friend to spare, and he who has one enemy will meet him everywhere" -Ali ibn-Abi-Talib, 4th Islamic Caliph
KI,Oh, I think you're on the
January 1, 2007 - 15:21 ET by Chris NormanKI,
Oh, I think you're on the right track, I just kind of think the Libs don't have the stomach to be a military power like the old USSR or an overt dictatorship. I think they would like to see the kind of result like in France, a permanently leftist central government dominating the country, where the crazies hold sway, unions rule, and whatever military they have left is used for parades and pretense.
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
- Arabian Proverb
Good Luck Chris
January 1, 2007 - 20:19 ET by acumenI usually agree with you Chris, although I admit I am a bit perturbed with your decision to move to New Mexico and leave me here by my lonesome to keep an eye on Nifong, Black and our lame Governor. :)
That said concerning: ".........like in France, a permanently leftist central government dominating the country, where the crazies hold sway, unions rule, and whatever military they have left is used for parades and pretense."
I tend to agree with Mark Steyn that there is nothing permanent about a government that encourages their ethnic populace not to procreate while importing/granting citizenship to their Muslim workforce to provide tax revenues to pay for the ethincs elaborate social programs (which the Muslims have figured out that with a few burned up Renaults, they can get the same benefits too). Soon to be The Islamic State of France? Come to think of it, the above could apply to the whole EU and Canada as well if they don't make some fairly large cuts in their social welfare toots sweet. America alone indeed. Starting to get interesting.......
Anyway, good luck on your move to NM Chris. Let me know if "global warming" gets the best of you down there and I'll email you some good ol' fashioned NC humidity this August. - Hugh
Chris -- so true. Give me y
January 1, 2007 - 16:08 ET by Jack BauerChris -- so true.
Give me your actual commie bastard any day, instead of the namby-pamby libz and their commie fellow travellers in the West who were very careful never to actually live the Red life over here.
Proud member of the all-powerful and vast militarist/industrialist/capitalist/zionist-bagelist complex
A "socialist paradise&q
January 1, 2007 - 17:08 ET by Chris NormanA "socialist paradise" - just done in a cowardly, weasly, and back door kind of way - so, well - French - and liberal too, come to think of it...
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
- Arabian Proverb
How's about "The Duchy o
January 1, 2007 - 16:04 ET by FastEdHow's about "The Duchy of Grand Fenwick"! Consider - nyt in la la land, Grand Fenwick is right up their alley.
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad
Ah yes! The Ducy of Grand Fen
January 1, 2007 - 20:25 ET by Eric TurnerAh yes! The Duchy of Grand Fenwick! What a tourist hotspot that place is. I'd love to visit there again. The people are so very nice and they serve the best wine! (or was that kool-aid?)
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"Perpetual itching without benefit of scratching to the enemies of America." - July 4th toast during the American
once a man is dead
January 1, 2007 - 15:20 ET by tumbler_2007After any man's death; Saddam Hussein's death as well,
The question is no longer how much evil he did in life, or where is his immortal soul going.
Mankind loves to dwell on those things, but mankind is not entitled at all to say. Not his evil deeds, (objectively) nor the eternal dwelling he's gone to. God only can judge. Saddam is gone, he was reviled and hated, he clearly lived an evil life.
But in fact he had the same grace in the last moments we all will be given. One last opportunity to cry out for mercy to His Creator. To repent of his sins. We really can't say what Saddam's notion of reality was; or whether he will roast in hell. God is infinitely merciful, according to the words of Jesus Christ. He will forgive a penitent soul; even Saddam's. But only if and when that sinner asks forgiveness.
Maybe it's a foregone conclusion that he didn't ask forgiveness or repent. Or even believe in a forgiving God. Here we have a clue or two. But in his interior attitude toward God, Saddam may well have repented. If not, he's doomed. But I for one hope not. Let us all hope he finds forgiveness. Do that, because we are all following him on the same course. We will all depend on the mercy of God, all of us are sinners in this life.
sappy drivel
January 1, 2007 - 17:13 ET by CatherwoodI don't think I have ever read so much drivel packed into such a small space. Speak for yourself. You might be following the same course as the Butcher of Baghdad but I'm not. You might be the sme type of sinner looking for mercy but I'm not. He might be facing this Allah guy right now but I will never be. He might have believed in Mohammerhead but I don't. If you want to equate yourself with all that lunacy, go right ahead but don't take the privilege of counting me in on it. Sadaam will rot in the ground and, at best, will end up fertilizer. His soul isn't going anywhere.
Catherwood, et al, now you've
January 2, 2007 - 17:08 ET by MikeBCatherwood, et al, now you've done it! You've disagreed with tumbler. So, now you will be labelled as a racist, bigotted, white supremacist like Blonde, bigtimer, MightyMouth, and me, among others. If you are really good, you will be accused of playing the hate card. Tumbler is 70 years old, so that apparently endows him with infinite wisdom and unquestionable moral authority, so you should not question his pronouncements on any subject. (Ref: open thread for Dec. 21, et al.)
"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." Ronald Reagan
I understand what you are say
January 1, 2007 - 17:24 ET by Eric TurnerI understand what you are saying and I completely agree. Sin is sin in God's eyes, whether it murder or lying. Guilt is guilt.
I like how you qualified your statement of "God is infinitely merciful..." by stating that "only if and when that sinner asks forgiveness."
This has nothing to do with the false god allah or muhammed. This has everything to do with the True and Living God.
One can assume he went to hell but cannot be sure until one is present in heaven.
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"Perpetual itching without benefit of scratching to the enemies of America." - July 4th toast during the American
Hey, Tumbler - WTF?? Over.
January 1, 2007 - 17:30 ET by acaiguanaHey, Tumbler - WTF?? Over.
"But in fact he had the same grace in the last moments we all will be given."
Don't you ever get tired, AKA Dennis Miller, of saying 'But'? Count the number of times during the day you say that word or write it.
Why is it Liberals always have to say, "But"?
Your post was just fine until you said, "But".
You do understand that the word, "But" means that everything you have just said/written before that word is a throw away. Everything you have typed is useless BS if you then use the word, "But".
You might as well say,
"Having said that...", which is what the MSM idiots always say.
For example, a media anchor might have said (and some did).
"President Reagan was obviously loved by (a hell of a lot more than I would have thought - is the thought) many people who are demonstrating an (unbelievable, large, humongous, big number) outpouring of grief at his funeral.
"Having said that... ((("BUT" ALERT)))
"Reagan was villIfied during his Presidency as an idiot actor who followed a script, never had an original idea of his own, destroyed government by lowering taxes, hated Gay people because he never talked about them, loved the idea of AIDS because he never talked about it, scared the bejesus out of the world with his brinkmanship with the USSR and in general was the worst President we have ever had because he wasn't a Democrat (psst. Do not look at the man behind the Curtain - Jimmy Carter when thinking worst President)."
Then you just balther on and say real nice things should happen as you hope to Mr. Hussein.
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Acaiguana says: "Which city is next?"
dear iguana breath
January 1, 2007 - 17:43 ET by tumbler_2007I'm a conservative. If I wish to start by saying BUT, let me. This is a free country. You make yourself an authority on proper speech and English, judging by "understand that the word, "But" means that everything you have just said/written before that word is a throw away,"--??? -- Not in my book.
It's no big thing saying But; and it's sure not a liberal characteristic. Likelier than "but," a liberal very often pollutes his speech with WTF at the heading. A minced obscenity. Let us not digress from the subject, the hanging of Saddam Hussein and MSM coverage.
Iguana breath?
January 1, 2007 - 17:48 ET by acaiguanaIguana breath?
He He, good one.
Anyway, I hate that stuff with the word <but>.
And I threw Liberal out as an example, not a lable for you.
ACA
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Acaiguana says: "Which city is next?"
take it from me, ib,
January 1, 2007 - 17:54 ET by tumbler_2007But shows breadth of intelligence. Not much depth, but --
I should talk about breath. An iguana has no use for Zambuca at 1:AM in the morning. I was celebrating the actual Y2K, here at last.
Many scholars have it that the birth of Christ really took place on year 7 A.D., making THIS the 2000th year of the modern era. We'll find out as things transpire over the next months.
ACA,Not to <but> in (co
January 1, 2007 - 18:44 ET by Indiana JoeACA,
Not to <but> in (couldn't resist!), but what's with the "Iguana breath" remark?
I don't see any such reference in tumbler's post, yet it sounds like you're responding to him using it. Was it a quick edit on his part? Your posts are only like 5 minutes apart, so that doesn't seem right... what am I missing here?
I always keep "comments" set to "view all," so is this an example of the "moderating" that I've heard some trolls bemoan on this site?
Enlightenment would be appreciated... still learning the ropes here....
IJ
Naw, header comments scroll off the screen and die.
January 1, 2007 - 18:50 ET by acaiguanaNaw, header comments scroll off the screen and die.
Unless you search.
ACA
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Acaiguana says: "Which city is next?"
"Header comments?"
January 1, 2007 - 19:07 ET by Indiana Joe"Header comments?" Do you mean what would appear in the "subject" box? Never used it. But I HAVE noticed that, left empty, it seems to take the first words of a post when listing them under "recent posts."
But, yes, I've noticed that "subjects" don't seem to appear within the post itself. Okay, think I've got it...
Thanks,
IJ
Yeah, and Tumbler and I were just arm wrestling. No big deal.
January 1, 2007 - 19:10 ET by acaiguanaYeah, and Tumbler and I were just arm wrestling. No big deal.
ACA
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Acaiguana says: "Which city is next?"
ACA
January 1, 2007 - 19:13 ET by BlondeAnd?
Sheesh, ACA. My first impulse was to ask who won.
As if....
Laughing.
They must mean the same kind
January 1, 2007 - 15:00 ET by winston smithThey must mean the same kind of rush as the "rush" to go to war with Iraq that took 12 years.
In a nod to your name, "
January 1, 2007 - 15:08 ET by Chris NormanIn a nod to your name, "rush" must be the new liberal-speak buzz word for things bad. Used both as a verb and a proper name...
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
- Arabian Proverb
The "Mr" crap is
January 1, 2007 - 15:04 ET by Mean Gene Dr. LoveThe "Mr" crap is the NYT's attempt at objectivity, but it comes off as moral equilancy in this case.
The NYT and the Left keep whining about the U.S. "meddling" in the affairs of other countries and now they are whining because we didn't meddle enough. Saddam is dead. That is what the Iraqis deemed appropriate according to their laws. I would bet that if you asked a Kurd or even just about any "man on the street" Iraqi, they would tell you that Saddam was treated too gently but, that they are happy his execution is complete. The NYT article should not have been about Saddam's "human rights" (which he was afforded even when he deprived his people of them for three decades), but the article should've been about the Iraqi people and the closure that millions of people throughout Iraq. These people and their families can hopefully move on with their lives in liberty and freedom in the abscence of an evil tyrant.
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mean gene -gun to a monkey?
January 1, 2007 - 15:07 ET by misterbillmean gene -gun to a monkey? You are not in the spirit of the season with the NY Times. You must mean Mr. Monkey.
2007 - Same ol' bizzaro world
January 1, 2007 - 15:10 ET by acumen"Rush" to hang Hussein? "....that might have assured Mr. Hussein a more dignified passage to his end."
This from the fishwrap (no offense to fish) that supports the mother of all hasty human killing - abortion on demand. It doesn't seem to bother the NY Times that there is nothing "dignified" about those millions of innocents passage to their end.
Doh, first day of 2007 and still stuck in bizzaro world.
Imissed that in the article
January 1, 2007 - 18:16 ET by motherbeltImissed that in the article the first time I read it....THAT MIGHT HAVE ASSURED MR. HUSSEIN A MORE DIGNIFIED END?????????
Holy Cow!!! The Times really is in Bizarro World. Would someone, anyone, please tell me why in the name of all that's good and holy, we should be in the LEAST concerned that this monster be accorded a dignified end?????? Hanging was merciful....he could have been put to death by shredder, like some of his victims were.
Noel
January 1, 2007 - 15:13 ET by balboaHe "built" a legend in certain circles of the Middle East by defying us. I think that's definitely a valid idea, don't you?
And describing an unruly and mocking atmosphere seems to be describing events, not bemoaning the lack of execution etiquette.
Mother of all Hangings
January 1, 2007 - 15:14 ET by acaiguanaMother of all Hangings
Could have said it all.
ACA
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He was a mother - - wasn't
January 1, 2007 - 16:05 ET by FastEdHe was a mother - - wasn't he?
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad
This article is laying the gr
January 1, 2007 - 15:33 ET by Mike SThis article is laying the groundwork for the accepted wisdom of the future to be that it was the Americans that executed Saddam. All they need now is endless repetition of the details specified above; that his body was carried across the desert on an AMERICAN helicopter, and that the brutal dictator was held in an AMERICAN cell until just before his execution.
Noel:Remember, he who invokes
January 1, 2007 - 16:48 ET by Dave HighNoel:
Remember, he who invokes Hitler first in their modern-day political arguments loses. I thought we all learned this in the past year of "both-sides" Hitler political invective. Given that you raise Hitler’s name in your opening sentence, I assume the rest of your piece is a white flag.
That being said, the overall tone of the NYT article sounds downright patriotic to me. Iraq is a powder keg. If American officials were concerned that dissing Hussein in his final moments would light the fuse, my analysis is, good. At least someone is paying attention to detail and has their eyes on the prize.
It seems though that the Iraqi government made the right decision. They decided to bury Hussein before someone could light the fuse. Diligence on the U.S. part was admirable, yet the Iraqi’s apparently know themselves better than we do. This is a lesson that George W. Bush and the neo-cons should have learned long before the misbegotten invasion. As a nation, we apparently are clueless in terms of Middle East culture, but we chose to impose our will on them anyway.
A couple of closing questions. Why diss the New York Times for taking on so complex an issue? And by-the-by, does the NYT really diss funerals for prominent Republicans, as you suggest? Noel, I think you are tilting at Ghosts.
Happy New Year,
Dave High
Only a far left wing radica
January 1, 2007 - 17:11 ET by American InfidelOnly a far left wing radical kook would consider this a "complex issue." And of course you would find the Times article patriotic, patriotism to liberals is a vicious hatred for anything American.
We've finally given liberals a war against fundamentalism, and they don't want to fight it. They would, except it would put them on the same side as the United States.
Ann Coulter
American Infidel:Iraq is not
January 1, 2007 - 17:21 ET by Dave HighAmerican Infidel:
Iraq is not a complex issue for you? Can we do a Vulcan Mind Meld? I need your brain! I promise you, I can make billions with it and will share the profits.
Regards, Dave High
Dave
January 1, 2007 - 17:47 ET by Noel SheppardDave,
First and foremost, Happy New Year!
I've looked at this article a couple of times, and would agree that taken in toto, it raises interesting points from both sides. However, I think it pays too much respect for a truly despicable despot while hinting -- as Engel did last evening -- at this being a blackeye for the U.S. Also, the headline is unnecessarily suggestive of a rush to judgement that the guts of the article refutes.
When you read this piece, what do you think the intent was? Before you answer, consider this sister piece that was listed under "News Analysis": http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/01/world/middleeast/01sunnis.html?_r=1&ref=world&oref=slogin. The reality to me, Dave, is that the Times was presenting this hanging as another bad event in the history of this incursion. In the view of the Old Gray Lady, is there ever any good news from this region as long as a Republican is in the White House? ns
Noel,Just wanted to jump in r
January 1, 2007 - 19:01 ET by Indiana JoeNoel,
Just wanted to jump in real quick here. Read the "sister piece," and this is pretty much the aspect I was addressing on that other thread this morning:
“Yes, he was a dictator, but he was killed by a death squad,” said a Sunni Arab woman in western Baghdad who was too afraid to give her name. “What’s the difference between him and them?”
And it goes on.... Seems like this is already being spun as I feared, isn't it? I mean, I'm SURE they'd have found some way to do it anyway, but there were some pretty wide openings allowed for this kind of thinking to slip through, IMHO. Sure, it was the Iraqis that did it. But, who is the NYT looking to blame? Intent, as you say.
That's all.
Regards,
IJ
Noel:I will provide a short a
January 1, 2007 - 20:53 ET by Dave HighNoel:
I will provide a short answer, which unfortunately is all I have time for tonight.
Trudy Rubin, an incredibly prescient, intelligent and cogent analyst for The Philadelphia Inquirer has written recently that the decay of international coverage on the part of major city newspapers has lessened our public’s knowledge of overseas affairs. If only the Associated Press has journalists in Iraq, then we are reading only one voice. Her point in this one column was, I think, that the more journalists we have covering the international story, the more we all know. She advocated to her readership to let the Inquirer know that international and national coverage is important to the hometown reader. I agree. I for one love reading in-depth analysis in newspapers, particularly from different viewpoints. I t gives me PERSPECTIVE.
I am taking this side angle approach to your argument because I think the New York Times’ article in question added a new perspective to the Iraq situation that I have not read before. It was also written by two NYT correspondents, who, unfortunately, you failed to acknowledge in your analysis. I suggest that you celebrate these writers who add perspective to the news, whether you perceive a bias in their writing, or not. Consider this; without many perspectives, what would you have to write about?
Many times on your site, I have read comments from people wishing the demise of the free press. Why? It is expensive to cover Afganistan and Iraq. Should we turn the coverage over to bloggers and opinion writers?
Regards, Dave High
Dave
January 2, 2007 - 12:38 ET by Noel SheppardDave,
Conservatives don't wish for the demise of the "free press;" we long for the end of a biased one. There is a difference.
That said, Trudy and your point in no way undermines my desire for an honest press. I, too, would love to see more correspondents across the globe, but only if they are reporting fairly. After all, the solution for a bad football team isn't to recruit more bad players, is it? As such, why would more biased and disingenuous reporters around the world solve the problem of people interested in the facts behind current events receiving them accurately and dispassionately?
To assist folks in answering these questions, I offer as a fine example the post I just made concerning a supposed abortion in El Salvador as misreported by the NY Times. Were readers better off for having learned of a situation which actually doesn't exist in this Central American nation? I think not, and believe this to be a perfect indication of why having more bad reporters doesn't further the public's knowledge of the world outside our borders.
Should there be more international correspondents? Well, only if they are going to report events overseas accurately. If not, I'd prefer to read about such events on the Internet posted by folks both from and living in said countries who likely have no interest in advancing a liberal American agenda. ns
search and find
January 1, 2007 - 17:01 ET by CatherwoodSomeone who is not working today should do a Nexus search and see if Ted Bundy was referred to as Mr. Bundy, to see if Danny Rolling was referred to as Mr. Rolling, to see if Pol Pot was refferred to as Mr. Pot. the very idea that this killer of millions, this killer of little children would be shown even a mote of respect is insane. The New York Times is so far gone, they ain't never coming back. I shouldn't be surprised though. Today my local paper wrote about the 20,000 'Americans' who made the trip to Mecca for the Haj. The paper did a touchy-feely interview with some college kids who were so impressed with the death of old guy who marched himself to death around some pole while he threw rocks. These are the same people who will someday murder our children and try to take the USA in name of Islam. I don't think there's any use fighting it anymore....the monkees have overtaken the monkeyhouse and the NY Times is the paper of record.
Cather
January 1, 2007 - 18:09 ET by Noel SheppardCather,
Well, in a recent Times' piece about Danny Rolling, he is referred to as "Mr." However, in a 2003 article about John Hinckley, the man who shot President Reagan, he is typically referred to simply as "Hinckley." Furthermore, a 2004 article about Lee Harvey Oswald referred to him simply as "Oswald."
As such, not all men are given the respect of "Mr." by the Old Gray Lady. If Hinckley and Oswald don't deserve it, why does Saddam? ns
The more I read and listen ab
January 1, 2007 - 19:08 ET by Rndguy35The more I read and listen about this so called "rush" to hang the Butcher of Baghdad I have a few observations:
1) Islamic law and punishment is not like our "brand" of capital punishment. Saddam had his 1 appeal and was afforded a fair trial under Islamic traditions and the Iraqi constitution. So just because his appeal didn't work for Saddam, why wait for the inevidable. I applaud the actions to carry out the justice waiting for the Iraqi's.
2) The "Old Gray Lady" understands that Saddams execution means more to Iraqi's and the war. They just don't want to say it because it helps..pssst..the President. As with all dictators their deaths can only mean good things.
3) I wonder if the NYT interviewed any families that Saddam ordered executions for their brothers, fathers, grandfathers and uncles? Something tells me no.
4) With NBC joining this sob story for Saddam, I feel the main stream media is just trying to fashion pubic opinion into what the NYT and NBC want pubic opinion to be.
Just simple observations.
can you belive this stuff?
January 1, 2007 - 19:01 ET by gxa99Unbelievable!
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=2763071
"...everything he did
January 1, 2007 - 19:08 ET by lnthomp"...everything he did was for Iraq..."
Right...everything he did was for himself and his sons. Mostly himself.
LNTHOMP previously posting as LEENT. U.S. Navy (ret.)
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From Raghad to Riches
January 1, 2007 - 19:47 ET by acumen"Right...everything he did was for himself and his sons."
And let's not forget daughter Raghad who is still enjoying the fruits of daddy's oppression.......
acumen,That was an interestin
January 1, 2007 - 20:01 ET by Blondeacumen,
That was an interesting link.
What was even more of interest to me (as a Floridian) is Chris Evert's new squeeze. Wow, who would have thought?
Do tell Blonde
January 1, 2007 - 20:32 ET by acumenWhat's this Blonde? Chrissy is already moving on? Forgive my ignorance but the only celebrity gossip we get up here in NC besides which NASCAR driver punched out another driver is who Nifong's squeazin'. Do tell.......
acumen,Pop that link you post
January 1, 2007 - 20:41 ET by Blondeacumen,
Pop that link you posted back up....look at the top right.
Chris has apparently thrown over her hunky (and master angler) husband for Chris Norman.
I knew she'd thrown Andy out (not a choice I'd make...btw)....but this is very interesting....and news to me. (Seeing how she lives up the road and all).
A funny note.....Chris Evert has a Ft. Lauderdale accent, which those of us who grew up here can recognize....however to the rest of the yankees in the world, they think we come from Atlanta, or somesuch.
Duh Blonde
January 1, 2007 - 20:49 ET by acumenWow, you could have knocked me over with a tennis ball......missed that.
I knew Chrissy was trying to work out a deal with Norman to do her tennis clubs at Norman's golf courses although I had no idea what the specific perks were....now we know. :)
Hope you have a wonderful 2007 Blonde!
Thanks, acumen.You too.....wi
January 1, 2007 - 20:52 ET by BlondeThanks, acumen.
You too.....wishing you happiness, health and prosperity in 2007.
I hadn't a clue, really, until you posted that link to Saddam's oh so charming daughter. Too funny.
Some perk, huh?
gxa99,You are correct....unbe
January 1, 2007 - 19:09 ET by Blondegxa99,
You are correct....unbelievable. Thanks for the link.
Apparently the media is now attempting to humanize the mass murdering monster.
Der Gross Hermann (Goering) was also a model prisoner at Nuremburg.
Two of a kind, if you ask me.
Here's Master Sgt. Robert Ellis - pic and a STLt article
January 1, 2007 - 19:26 ET by SportPoliticsHere's Master Sgt. Robert Ellis - pic and a STLt article - different than ABC's take.
Yes, ABC loaded it on, kissing Saddam's behind.
STLt is not far behind, and may have done a better job of slamming all but Saddam.
I didn't read the whole thing, but it seems they've managed to keep the race card out of it.
Now with his death we can rep
January 1, 2007 - 19:18 ET by Rndguy35Now with his death we can report the softer side of Saddam? BS. Too late to humanize him; way too late. But add ABC to the list of news organizations signing Saddam's sympathy book.
I can see the teaser already... "Tommorow night we will have a full blown article on what happened to his birds. Were they tasty? Were they released? Did this nurse adopt them? Were they given to the homeless in Baghdad?...Read or tune in tommorow for the exciting conclusion! (Complete and total sarcasm)!
Expect funeral attendance comparisons
January 1, 2007 - 19:28 ET by SportPoliticsExpect funeral attendance comparisons. Matthews or one of them will at the very least make a snide joke that more people attended and mourned Saddam than did President Ford. Guaranteed.
how nice
January 1, 2007 - 20:01 ET by misterbillhow nice --Hitler liked dogs and painting. It soothed his mind while planning the deaths of millions of people. Doesn't that make one feel good??? NO!!!!
25 'American' references to 12 'Iraqi' references in NYT story.
January 1, 2007 - 19:06 ET by acaiguana25 'American' references to 12 'Iraqi' references in NYT story.
On the first page of the Internet version the ratio was 14:2...
American to Iraqi references.
Now that was a quick and dirty count so it may be off by a few Americans.
ACA
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Acaiguana says: "Which city is next?"
Generic MSM newsreader: &q
January 1, 2007 - 19:25 ET by lnthompGeneric MSM newsreader: "This breaking news just in: Saddam Hussein is still dead! Further updates to follow!"
LNTHOMP previously posting as LEENT. U.S. Navy (ret.)
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I kept thinking what if th
January 1, 2007 - 19:44 ET by Richard RomanoI kept thinking what if the execution was handled the way that the NYT would have liked? They still would have found something to complain about. If they are not calling the show, then you can predict how they'll react. If a liberal had been in the White House, this would have been a different story...the pathetic MSM is slowing hanging (pun intended) themselves.
The NYT is against the death
January 1, 2007 - 22:07 ET by GalvanicThe NYT is against the death penalty in all cases, so there was no way that Hussein's execution could have satisfied them at all.
In my estimation, if given the choice between an impeachment of Goerge W. Bush and the execution of Saddam Hussein, the staff of the esteemed NYT -- save for columnist David Brooks --- would prefer the impeachment.
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January 1, 2007 - 19:59 ET by Jnoble"Rush to hang Saddam" translates to "Hung Saddam without our written consent". Just like "Rush to war" meant that Bush and the rest of the administration didn't get on their hands and knees and beg the NYTs and the rest of the lib elites for permission. Idiots.
To me this whole story is p
January 1, 2007 - 20:01 ET by james789To me this whole story is proof positive that the "esteemed" members of the New York Times reporting and editorial staff smokes crack. "Rush to hang Saddam?" Since when is almost three years in the legal system of any country considered a rush?
A pint of sweat, saves a gallon of blood.
George S. Patton, 04/03/1944
As some other people mentio
January 2, 2007 - 00:25 ET by MyKindaSpamAs some other people mentioned, the NYT has a policy of using the full name upon the first reference and from the second on, they use the courtesy titles of "Mr." and "Mrs." throughout the rest of the article. One poster mentioned "Mr. Pol Pot," which is what the Times called him for several weeks until they changed it to "Pol Pot" in much the manner of Hitler or Stalin. In this instance, calling Saddam "Mr." isn't an example of liberal bias; it is a continuence of a policy. Although, somehow I believe they would still call him "Mr." before Bush, if they could get away with it.
At least they still call him "Mr. Bush "I guess they haven't gone completely to heck, because they don't refer to him as Bu$hitler...yet.
Respect
January 2, 2007 - 11:13 ET by JimboI could be wrong, but the first time I ever heard a President (either sitting or former) referred to as “Mr.” was by Bill Clinton when he would refer to President Bush #41 during their campaign. I remember having a reaction to it at that time, as I believed then, as I do now, that it shows a complete lack of respect for the office.
I’ve read that the Bush #41 would never enter the Oval Office when he wasn’t wearing a suit. Wheter that be at night, on the weekends, or when he was alone. He would instead opt to send someone into the office to retrieve what he needed. Now THAT is respect for the office!