Like a mother hen jealously guarding her flock [less flattering but unmentionable metaphors also come to mind], the New York Times is loath to see any government program escape the clutches of the state. And even if Social Security is a sick chick, the Times zealously holds her close because she is the biggest money-pot of the bunch.
For the Times, the fox stalking the social security henhouse has been privatization, epitomized by the social security system of Chile, which was privatized more than 25 years ago and has served as a model for many other countries. Even Borat has more Social Security freedom than Americans. His Kazakhstan is among at least twenty countries, including the UK and Sweden, that have implemented a variety of privatized plans.
The Times thus naturally jumps with glee on any evidence of problems within the Chilean system to argue that freedom and capitalism don't work when it comes to social security. Gloats the Gray Lady in its editorial of this morning, "the Chileans are now bailing water. The Chilean government recently announced that in 2007 it plans to pursue far-reaching reforms aimed at creating a larger government role in Chileans’ old-age security."
According to the Times, the problem is that "roughly half of Chile’s labor force has either not participated or has not accumulated enough to generate what the government considers a minimum payout of about $140 a month." That would seem to suggest an inherent flaw in the system. But when you refer to the news article on the subject that appeared in the Times itself just a week ago, you discover that:
"The changes [are] part of a reform package scheduled to go to [the Chilean] Congress early next year, [that] include a guaranteed minimum pension for the country’s poorest citizens, even those who have never contributed to the private system."
Ah-ha! So a major reason behind the call for reform is that Chile is considering a partial conversion of its privatized investment program into a welfare program. No wonder "a larger government role" would be required.
Big-government critics of Chile's system also point to the hefty bite that broker commissions take out of the pot. Even so, that Times article from last week reports that Chileans enjoy a return on investment of roughly 5% on their contributions to the social security system [some say it's more like 10%]. In contrast, the rate of return for contributors to Social Security in the US is virtually non-existent, and even negative in many cases. According to the Heritage Foundation, for example, a 25-year-old man is predicted to receive a –0.82% rate of return on his Social Security taxes.
The Times editorial closes by warning that "another vital lesson to remember from the Chilean experience is that institutions, once dismantled, are not easily restored." True. Once people escape the tender mercies of big government, they don't want to go back.
Contact Mark at mark@gunhill.net
—Mark Finkelstein is a NewsBusters contributing editor and host of Right Angle. Contact him at mark@gunhill.net.
















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At least they waited 'till
December 31, 2006 - 09:05 ET by sarcasmoAt least they waited 'till Milton Friedman died before trying to ruin his work for individual responsibility. I don't see what's so wrong with the idea of not-saving leading to extreme poverty instead of a life on the dole.
JMR
I should have known that ou
December 31, 2006 - 09:09 ET by Mark FinkelsteinI should have known that our esteemed resident libertarian would have been first to comment on this privatization-themed item. Wishing you a very free and independent New Year, sarcasmo! Mark
Same to you, Mark, and than
December 31, 2006 - 09:26 ET by sarcasmoSame to you, Mark, and thanks for your kind words. I'm currently on semi-vacation for a few days in Panama (Florida's too cold!). It's beautiful here, and I'm having a great time working & relaxing on my buddy's island finca despite the woes of the outside world.
JMR
Beware the Panamanian Iguanas, Sarc.
December 31, 2006 - 09:36 ET by acaiguanaBeware the Panamanian Iguanas, Sarc.
Ah, they're a rough and tumble bunch.
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Florida CANNOT EVER be cold.
December 31, 2006 - 14:43 ET by UnsaneFlorida CANNOT EVER be cold. AK...now THAT is cold.
:-)
"Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy." -Sir Winston Churchill, British statesman (1874-1965)
Unsane,Oh yes it can! It ac
December 31, 2006 - 14:47 ET by BlondeUnsane,
Oh yes it can!
It actually snowed here once (and in Nassau in the Bahamas).
Granted, not as cold as Alaska, but it does get cold. Unfortunately, not today....getting ready to turn the A.C. back on.
Looks like Humpty has been put together again. Comments, etc. are back. Happy New Year to us.
I would love to have seen it
December 31, 2006 - 23:00 ET by UnsaneI would love to have seen it snow in FL! If only to run smack at everyone who was "suffering"...:-)
"Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy." -Sir Winston Churchill, British statesman (1874-1965)
panama
January 1, 2007 - 04:24 ET by owlpelletsYou doing any fishing down there?
bill
Let's see, I can struggle to keep up with wages.
December 31, 2006 - 09:32 ET by acaiguanaLet's see, I can struggle to keep up with wages that don't grow fast enough to keep up with the inflation rate while the economy grows faster than my income; thus producing a net loss for my life's work.
I can be robbed by the government of 15% of my wages for future retirement 'cause I'm too stupid, lazy, selfish, ignorant or irresponsible to save money and let inflation destroy that capital to death and get back pennies on my dollars.
I can realize I don't really have any capital banked with the government 'cause they spent it in their general fund and replaced with worthless IOU's dependent on new tax revenues and then only receive from between 80% and 90% of what I paid in when I retire.
I can come to the idea that any private Pension Fund actually does grow my investment and I receive about double/triple in the future for my 15%.
I can be told when I say to the government, "stop doing that! Let me keep my money to do what I will with my 15%."
"Shut Up" <government to me>
"Don't you know you are putting our Glorious System AT RISK?" (Shades of Mao)
So, all the above except my last part was parroting the Democrat Party's idea of SSI.
People work in this unfair Capitalistic System and their wages don't keep up while the Rich get Richer...
Boy, that sounds like a non-starter, huh? Why work at all?
You are better off being dependent on the whims of Politicians who decide each year whether to scare you by threatening to cut off your money (great life - everyone ought to try it) and every year wonder if I'll get a 3.3% (2006); 4.2% (2005); increase in my COLA, or I can sorta shiver when I read stories about the Dollar falling in the World Marketplace.
It is more than a mess.
It is a despicable lie that has created one of the biggest dependencies in the history of mankind.
I never wanted the government to be able to pull my strings like a childish puppet.
<putting myself in the shoes of someone dependent only on SSI>
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I'll spare you my dollar-fa
December 31, 2006 - 10:05 ET by sarcasmoI'll spare you my dollar-falling rant, and concentrate on the offer I've made to various Democrat & Republican friends, who've all rightly said it would be refused. I'm in my mid-40s, and I've paid a lot of money into the SS system over the years. My offer is simple. Take it all, and just leave me alone for the rest of my life. I'll do just fine IMO, but if I'm somehow left starving in the streets it shouldn't matter to anyone else, anyway, I promise to starve quicky & semi-quietly. I just want to stop paying, and for that I would not mind the "problem" of not eventually getting paid. As it is, I don't trust them to be able to pay me enough, anyway, so if I want to maintain my eating, drinking, and lodging habits I already have to provide for myself. Let me take all the money and I'll have a better chance of providing for my future.
I wonder how many others about my age would make that deal? I mean, it's an obviously good deal for Mark's young example above with the negative rate of return, but presumably at this point & having paid for decades, I should have some positive expectation of gain from the SS system I hate. But I don't. I just want to be left-alone. And that's the one thing the bipartisan control freaks never want to do. The really sad thing is when people believe the NYT's lies and don't do their own research into what's going to affect their futures.
JMR
Whew, thanks for not going into the dollar.
December 31, 2006 - 10:16 ET by acaiguanaWhew, thanks for not going into the dollar.
I'm already fending off three other people about their take on currency stuff.
Not that I am trying to stifle discussion but I'm sorta tired of that.
The political problem with your offer is obvious in that after dropping off 15% of the precious revenues used as if it were an Income Tax (and it isn't?) the government would go nuts trying to figure out how to 'make it all up' with another lie.
The government will never figure out what a free market economy can really do for them. So, they have managed to institute a stealth Income Tax (you should really appreciate that one).
Anyway, we agree.
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Sarcasmo
December 31, 2006 - 10:55 ET by Noel SheppardJ,
I'd gladly accept that offer if SSA made it to me. I'd take it in a heartbeat, and I believe many Americans under the age of 50 likely would as well.
I'll give you another option that I would accept if it was necessary to guarantee payments to all the folks 55 and over who "deserve" the promises the government has foolishly made to them: I will continue to pay in a significantly diminshed amount of money to this failed system until I am 55 to help fund this abomination for others. In return, I get to keep the difference in what I am currently paying for myself. And, at the age of 55, I no longer contribute one red cent. In exchange, I require not one cent of reciprocal payment to me or my family as long as they and I live.
Fair enough? ns
I'd accept that counteroffe
December 31, 2006 - 12:32 ET by sarcasmoI'd accept that counteroffer in a New York heartbeat, even though I'd obviously like cold-turkey better. The thing is, I doubt (and my friends of various political persuasions besides mine also doubt) the offer will ever be made. Just making the offer is "touching the third rail" and is said to make politicians un-electable. Does anyone, after this short conversation, still wonder why Large-L Libertarians are kept out of the "debates" at all costs? If so, then I have some nice real estate in South Florida for sale (cheap!) marked with a sign: "Everglades National Park." As a bonus, there's also a bridge in Brooklyn, NYC included in the deal...
JMR
Noel - as a boomer over 50, I
December 31, 2006 - 13:55 ET by FastEdNoel - as a boomer over 50, I'd take it now, not look back and have a better retirement. Worked in govt and private, take private every time! One job went away after 5 years, but I'm in their pension plan - would keep me in beer and cigs (if I still smoked) and that was better than what I would have gotten from the state after almost 20 (cashed it when I was sent packing, but was similar towhat I had gotten from the private firm ).
The peeps of this country don't have any idea what is going on, and in sme cases I'd have to go with sarc, at least he doesn't blame me for being stupid, and hopfully I haven't proved it yet - right dad?
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad
As I am decades from retireme
December 31, 2006 - 14:54 ET by UnsaneAs I am decades from retirement, and contemplating stuffing the IRA again on the first day I am eligible to contribute, I LOVE that idea. I cannot believe that people 50 and under aren't marching on Washington to demand this be done, and to hell with the "government must solve everything" obsession of the media.
We ALL know about Chile, but how many of us know about what some in Galveston County managed to do in the early 1980s?
"Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy." -Sir Winston Churchill, British statesman (1874-1965)
As in the past , thanks again
December 31, 2006 - 09:44 ET by FastEdAs in the past , thanks again for you Iraq reporting and I think sarc has a vailid point, as well as aca. This country in no longer depending on personal responsibility, but governmental reliabilty - and we know just exactly how reliable the govt. can be. If the nyt was so hot on SS only, why don't they suggest to their union partners to DROP their pension? If it were stricly a visual media, the gray lady would go dark. (and the down side of that . .?)
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad
So did they bother to mention
December 31, 2006 - 10:30 ET by Dave DSo did they bother to mention that SS is supposed to start losing money in ten years or that within 40 years it's going to go completely bankrupt? (Or did they take what a certain pundit said on face value and figure it's fine and nothing to worry about. Wonder if they picked up on how he was lying.)
I'm not sure you are 'getting' it.
December 31, 2006 - 10:40 ET by acaiguanaI'm not sure you are 'getting' it.
SS is losing money. That is the point of a number of posts here. It has never made money.
The Democrats allowed the gumment to 'borrow' the money to spend in the general fund. It is not invested. It is treated as a revenue stream. It is an income tax under another name.
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Well it has taken in more tha
December 31, 2006 - 10:50 ET by Dave DWell it has taken in more than it handed out for quite a few years so in effect made money at least temporarily. (Which is actually how the budget was "balanced" years ago. If you don't could SS taxes the budget hasn't been balanced in, actually I don't know how long. Probably before I was born.) However in the next ten years it's actually going to take in less money than it hands out and then is going to have to start calling up all the money that it "lent" to the government. That "lent" money runs out in the 2040's after which it just flat out loses money every year after that. Of course a few years ago certain libs said SS was fine and nothing to worry about.
A blind monkey could have run SS better than the government.
December 31, 2006 - 11:02 ET by acaiguanaA blind monkey could have run SS better than the government.
And I love blind monkeys for those of you who think I am insensitively abusing the poor thing.
Enron could have done better.
Ponzi could have done better.
My cat could have done better.
...Well you get my point.
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The stock market, which is pr
December 31, 2006 - 10:44 ET by StayOnPointThe stock market, which is private, is at all time highs but the government run social security program IS going to fail in my lifetime. Even a ten year old can figure this one out. This should be part of the next "Contract with America" in 08.
Those of us who get it protect those of you who don't
Ah if I only had the money
December 31, 2006 - 18:41 ET by PabloHoneyAh if I only had the money I threw down the SS hole over the last 25 years. OH - That's right, it's not MY money. Fruking Demo-Rats. Sons-a-bitches and whores are just a jangling to not let this money get out of their control. Privatize? Why ever would they do that? It's an entitlement, you idiots.
Pathetic...
December 31, 2006 - 19:32 ET by GregEIt's quite pathetic that the United States, the country born to be the most free from the state of any in the world, with a one of a kind Declaration of Independence, and a Constitution designed to ensure the peoples' freedom from state tyranny, was not the pioneer and is not the world's leader of a privatization of it's peoples' financial safety net, instead continuing to elect government officials, nearly 70 years later and well beyond the program's ability to sustain it's original intent, who refuse to allow the people of the United States to own the very monies that are confiscated from them in order to sustain this otherwise forced and confiscatory government program!
We are absolutely FORCED to pay our own earned money into a social program supposedly FOR us, regardless of whether we ultimately live to use that money, and if we do not, it is forever confiscated as it cannot ever be willed to any individuals of our choosing, since we have NO choice in paying into it, nor any choice of who can have it.....our money....upon our demise.
It has become such that very few politicians will talk about any changes to it, for fear of losing their elected position. This fact alone is one of the most dangerous cycles in our government. Any financial program upon which individuals have become dependent can never get the proper backing to be reformed, until the time comes where it is in such shambles that is must be reformed to prevent it's demise altogether, at which time the price to undertake such an endeavor is at a level that could never be imagined, yet now must be paid, regardless of the cost, if the system is to remain in any form whatsoever.
Rediculous!
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This dependence and fear is why Democrats want more.
December 31, 2006 - 19:39 ET by acaiguanaThis dependence and fear is why Democrats want more.
They thrive on this stuff. If they could make HUD/DOE/DOA(ag)/etc. over into a SS program, they'd be bored because they wouldn't have much to do. By Ward Heeling Political handouts they have locked up most inner-city votes.
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