NPR Evening Newscast Promotes Atheists With Message of Holiday Intolerance

Photo of Tim Graham.

As the religious holidays commence, people who preach tolerance worry that religious (or non-religious) minorities are left out. As Christmas approached and Hanukkah began on Friday night, National Public Radio’s "All Things Considered" devoted a story to atheists, but not just any story. It was a story about atheists who feel that ridicule and intolerance of religion is just what this country needs. The message was simple: atheists look forward to when "religious tolerance is no longer tolerated."

Co-anchor Robert Siegel began: "Atheism has never gained much of a foothold in the United States. Barely one percent of Americans describe themselves as atheists. Now, a small group on nonbelievers has a new approach to getting their message out, challenging the faithful with a fiery rhetorical blend of reason and ridicule, especially ridicule..."

"New York Times columnist Nicholas Kristof has written that this Charge of the Atheist Brigade is intolerant and mean toward conservative Christians. Brooke Gladstone, host of NPR's On the Media, reports on the new atheist offensive."

Gladstone’s report sympathetically argued that atheists are misrepresented in the media. She dug up quotes of CBS’s Bob Schieffer and Katie Couric, and even NPR’s own John Burnett saying versions of the claim there are "no atheists in foxholes." After the president of American Atheists, Ellen Johnson, complained that it’s just not true, NPR’s Burnett apologized. "I thought it was a good line for the tape...and I didn’t realize it was so offensive to atheists, and I learned that in spades after the story came out. They spammed me for weeks with e-mail saying we’re outraged. So now I know...I will think twice about using the phrase again."

Cyber Alert noted Schieffer’s apology back in 2003.

Gladstone also implied that TV entertainment programs are too nice to religion. "So if the news media aren't sensitive to atheists, Hollywood must be, right? I mean, the political right says it's so gay and liberal and irreligious." She suggested to David Shore, the producer of Fox’s medical show "House," that he wasn’t biased enough against religion as Dr. House picked faith healers apart in an episode: "I think you were pulling your punches there, weren’t you?" She added: "Hollywood usually pulls its punches on atheism. Mostly, TV atheists are lost souls." Her next example was the old series "Dawson’s Creek."

Atheist author Sam Harris expressed anger that "Dawson’s Creek" would have a dying unbeliever tell her daughter to have tolerance, that most people need religion to give their life meaning.

Harris: "The idea is that while I don't need religion and you don't need religion, everyone else does. Everyone else is still living in childhood in some sense and it lacks compassion to wake them up into adulthood. That is condescending."

Gladstone: "Harris says the only way to win is to keep up the pressure until religious tolerance is no longer tolerated."

Harris: "I think the criticism of irrationality just has to come from 100 sides all at once. In the entertainment community, maybe you'll just have people making jokes that are funny enough and true enough so as to put religious certainty in a bad light."

After a clip of Stephen Colbert joking that atheists are brave, since they’re willing to be roasted by Satan, Harris continued his sermon:

"One day someone in the White House press corps will hear the President of the United States express some certainty about being in dialogue with the creator of the universe and he or she will ask a question which should be on everybody's mind - you know, how is this any different from thinking you're in dialogue with Zeus?"

Gladstone: "That day is far off. But Harris has a great deal of faith in his fellow man."

Harris: "I'm hopeful that journalists and people in the entertainment industry are waiting for the permission to express their doubts, and I think that permission is coming. I mean I'm trying to do what I can to engineer it in my hardheaded and boorish way. And I feel, just from the contacts I have in both industries, that there's a profound sense of relief that comes with hearing somebody call a spade a spade."

Gladstone did include Gary Wolf of Wired magazine arguing that "the polemics of new atheism can be just as nasty as the fundamentalists." She also used a clip of "South Park" making fun of the atheists for being jerks to religious people. But she concluded with Stephen Colbert joking at the Emmy Awards with the line "Good evening, godless Sodomites." She concluded: "Harris may have no tolerance for the gospel, but as an atheist trying to enlist Hollywood in his crusade, Colbert's greeting has to sound like some kind of good news."

A longer version of Gladstone's story appeared on her own "On The Media" show over the weekend on NPR stations. The transcript is here. It added sociologist Penny Edgell discussing how surveys show parents hate the idea of their children marrying atheists, that poor, disrespected minority.

It's just sad that a show on the media allows the transcript to suggest that CBS has a reporter named "Bob Sheefer."

—Tim Graham is Director of Media Analysis at the Media Research Center.


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Oh boo hoo, the poor atheist

Oh boo hoo, the poor atheist feels left out. What is he suggesting, ban all religion in the US so he doesn't feel bad about himself? What a sad individual. Perhaps he should give God another chance.

I find it of great... seren

I find it of great... serendipity [sp?] that today I was reading a snippet of Jonah Goldberg and he said:

"Everyone likes to think he’s in favor of maximizing freedom. But in reality most folks want to maximize only the freedoms they like."

In other words, tolerance for

In other words, tolerance for me, none for thee.

"

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,
or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" - Amendment One, Bill Of Rights. (Bold mine)

"Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it." - George Santayana

Yeah... that pesky constitu

Yeah... that pesky constitution (and bill of rights especially) can be a real b***ch sometimes can't it? What a lot of people don't realize is that the bill of rights are very UNDEMOCRATIC. Suppose for a moment that atheists gained the majority in this country.

Oh.... yeah they can't exactly outlaw religion without violating the constitution now can they?

God bless America and those brilliant founders.

Nope, I just want it to be ta

Nope, I just want it to be taxes at the standard corporate rate.

Bill of Rights

That type of abuse of power is exactly why a Bill of Rights is necessary. Many people came to America to escape religious persecution, only to start persecuting others for their religion. The Puritans, for example, started colonies where only Puritans could practice their beliefs. The Bill of Rights is designed to protect religious minorities as well as the irreligious.

I am an atheist, and like most atheists, I believe that people should be free to practice their religion, in public and in private. This is absolutely necessary in a free society.

The news here is that Harris

The news here is that Harris is admitting to what anti-religion zealots have been doing for years:  disdaining and ridiculing people of faith through journalism and entertainment industries, but apparently with no net effect.  He unabashedly promotes formulating a conspiracy of intolerance, in a society which promotes tolerance even to a fault. 

That he even thinks that he can shame people into abandoning their faith, demonstrates how little he understands of its tenets.

But he makes reference to 'journalists and people in the entertainment industry wating for permission to express their doubts.'   Permission from whom?  Certainly not a deity, since Harris asserts that none exists?  Whom or what is Harris talking about?  It would appear to me that many journalists and entertainers -- as documented often on NB --- didn't wait for permission from anybody.

I think what continually surp

I think what continually surprises me is that a smaller and smaller minority in this country, in this instance atheists (1% of the population?) is attempting to (and getting seriously close to getting their way in recent times) dictate what the majority of Americans can or cannot do.

But I offer this in part as a reply.

What is "Religion"?

Many say the etymology of religion lies with the Latin word religare, which means “to tie, to bind.” This seems to be favored on the assumption that it helps explain the power religion has. The Oxford English Dictionary points out, though, that the etymology of the word is doubtful. Earlier writers like Cicero connected the term with relegere, which means “to read over again” (perhaps to emphasize the ritualistic nature of religions?).

Or maybe "Religious affiliation, practices, and views." or perhaps even "an organized system of faith and worship in a certain belief, idol or commonality"

In that line of thinking, isn't "Atheistism" in of itself a sort of religion? My point is simply that I believe that these athiest are hypocrites and as with other minority groups, simply testing the waters to see how far they can go and what they can get away with. And so far, the reaction have been mixed.

MERRY CHRISTMAS to all! 

"There are no atheists in Foxholes"

Well...

...if you want to get into etymology, you have to look at the word atheist.  Near as I can tell, it comes from "atheos."  The 'a' is a prefix that means 'without', 'theos' obviously meanining "god" or "deity" or the like.  An 'atheist' is one who does not believe in deities or a god of any sort.

  What the article describes is not an atheist.  A true atheist could care less about the beliefs of those who believe in something he or she doesn't, and indeed would find them rather amusing.  No, what the article deals with is a very obnoxious antitheiest.  One who opposes the existence, and believers of, any god or deity.  This is an interesting situation, since they have nothing greater than themselves to believe in, so they naturally put themselves in the superior position to everyone else.

  Personally, I think they give real atheists a bad name, but it's good to use proper terms to differentiate the apathetic with the antagonistic.  The fact that most religions caution people against such overbearing personal pride is just delicious irony.

You're confused. A-theist is

You're confused. A-theist is anti-theist. Religion is theism.

Actually, he was right; &quot

Actually, he was right; "a" (no) "theism" (belief in a diety). 

As one Christian thinker put it named Ravi Zacharias, atheism is actually the knowledge that there is no god, as opposed to an agnostic, who is one who basically says they do not know if there is a god.  So there really can't be a "true" atheist by virtue of the fact that no one has the absolute knowledge that there is not a god; at best someone can be an agnostic.

Dutch

What is an atheist?

This is a common misconception. An agnostic is someone who believes that it is impossible to know whether any Gods exist or not. An atheist is someone who lacks belief in any Gods.

 I am an atheist and an agnostic because I do not believe in a creator and I also believe that it's impossible to be certain whether one exists or not.

There are so many definitions for atheism floating around that it's hard to get everyone to agree on one. There was a time when anyone who wasn't a Christian was labeled an atheist. Even some dictionaries have highly biased definitions for atheism. Dictionary.com includes, "Godless; immoral" as one of the definitions. The Catholic encyclopedia defines it as, "Denial of God stemming from moral failure." and a"practical atheist" is supposedly someone who claims to believe in God but denies God by immoral behavior. In other words, atheists are always immoral and not only that but they are also responsible for the immorality of believers as well!

These are really just pathetic attempts at painting atheists as immoral by using some arbitrary definition of the word atheist. I think the best definition for atheism, which is found in most dictionaries, is a lack of theistic belief, or lack of belief in a creator. This would include most of the people who describe themselves as agnostic. For years I denied that I was an atheist, claiming that I was an agnostic instead, because I wanted to avoid the stigma that is placed on an atheist in our society. I am waiting for the time when that changes.

Travis

Not all atheists are against

Not all atheists are against religion. Most Buddhists do not believe in a supreme being, but they are do have faith commitments and they do perform rituals.

That being said, I have to own that I am an atheist who is against religion because I think that beliefs should be supported by evidence. In other words, I don't believe in faith. But that does not mean that I think that religious people should not be free to practice their beliefs. I can accept that some have their reasons for believing and I hope that others will accept that I have my reasons for not believing. I agree with Sam Harris on many points, but I do not agree that we should be intolerant towards religious people. My dream is to live in a country where atheists and theists are on equal footing. I suspect that Mr. Harris' negative attitude stems from his frustration that atheists are generally seen as second-class citizens who aren't worthy of public office.

Is atheism a religion though? I don't think so, but I guess it depends on how you define the words religion and atheism. When I use the word religion, I am usually referring to any ideology that promotes faith. Atheism to me means: without theism, or a lack of belief in any God(s). It does not imply that you deny God,  that you accept Satan, that you are a communist, or that you are against religion.

BTW, I have a friend that served in Afghanistan who does not believe in any Gods.

Travis

The fact that National Prolet

The fact that National Proletariat Radio has their pink-laced red panties all in a knot over the atheist’s feelings on religious holidays and generally promoting hostility and intolerance toward Christians really isn’t all that surprising.  What infuriates me is that the government has a gun to my head and, through what I believe to be a criminal act is forcing me, against my will, to aid in the delivery of this bigoted and hate-filled message.

I am an atheist and I listene

I am an atheist and I listened to this program when it aired. I did not feel that the story was a promotion of atheism or intolerance. I frequently listen to NPR because it provides a different viewpoint from the corporate owned and sponsored media. Similarly, I have heard NPR do many stories regarding religion in the past where religious views were presented. I don't consider them a government endorsement of religion either.

[quote]What infuriates me is that the government has a gun to my head and, through what I believe to be a criminal act is forcing me, against my will, to aid in the delivery of this bigoted and hate-filled message. [/quote]

I'm glad that you mentioned that. Thomas Jefferson once said that it is tyranny to force a man to provide funding for the promotion of ideas that he does not agree with. I feel the same way. I find it offensive that I as a taxpayer have to fund "faith-based programs" who use that money, in part, to spread their message that people like me are going to burn in hell forever and ever simply because we don't believe in the same religion as they do.

Travis

Merry Christmas

MERRY CHRISTMAS

because I believe!!!

http://www.reaganfou...

FOX NEWS is news.  MSM is Jerry Springer  crap

Nothing new

Don't be to dismayed. Things used to be a lot worse. Remember that in the 1st century, Christians were covered with oil, hung on stakes and set on fire to light the gardens of the Elite in Rome as well as other places. They were used as combatants in the arenas against lions. As far as we know, Peter was crucified upside down and most, if not all of the other disciples were martyred except for John who probably died imprisoned on the island of Patmos.

Having said that, there are unfortunately millions, who left to their own desires, would repeat that history today. If not for the courage of many, including our President, the slaughter that began on 9/11 would have already grown to monstrous proportions.

 Never fear though. The left (including the MSM, liberals, democrats; etc.) will have their way and tear down any barriers delaying the forces of evil from overcoming our great nation which among a lot of other things, stands as the last bastian of hope for the survival of Christianity AND freedom.

In the long term, however, have no fear for we have read The Book and we already know how all of this will end. 

Great point - persecution com

Great point - persecution comes with being a Christian - and these days that means someone says mean things about you on TV...all in all a pretty good deal...

Never-the-less the real point on these stories is always about the double-standards for Christians vs. everyone else - Christians are incessantly characterized by the NPR crowd as "hateful" and "intolerant" while these athiests or anyone else can say whatever hateful and intolerant things that they want to and it's labeled as "an interesting perspective..."

We're just pointing it out here, but I'm pretty certain these people indict themselves very nicely on their own...let them parade their ignorance like this all they want and God will do the rest - and thanks NPR for making our job a little easier!

Terrorists are not Muslims, Nazi's were not Christians, etc, etc...

Amen

Amen, Brother Truthmonger.

You don’t have to

You don’t have to be an atheist to be intolerant of
Christians. In this day and age of
advanced liberalism, you can be a liberal Christian and be intolerant of your
own faith.I know a supposedly devout
Christian (goes to church every Sunday) who was offended by a Blind Boys of
Alabama concert because they were “preaching”.
They are a gospel group! So in a liberal Christian mind, a rock group or
someone else can do a concert and sing about Hell and the devil, and that is just free speech, but talk about
God and Jesus and that is going too far!
It’s like the twilight zone how brainwashed these people have become
because of the liberal media. And this
guy thinks that the liberal media need permission to promote intolerance? How do these liberal Christians become intolerant
if it’s not from the media?

Atheists

The only atheist I've known was a cynical bastard who didn't believe in anything. According to him, every good act of mankind was performed out of selfishness. He was a sicko who taught this crap to our young people. He's passed on, so now he knows the truth. I hope he's met a merciful God.

MERRY CHRISTMAS! 

NEVER,NEVER trust a liberal

I am both an atheist and a li

I am both an atheist and a liberal and I am not intolerant towards Christians. As a matter of fact, the vast majority of my friends are conservative Christians. I live in Utah were there are not many liberals or atheists. I am not afraid to discuss my views with them and we can always agree to disagree.

I'm still waiting for these p

I'm still waiting for these pillars of courage to step forward and ridicule the muslim faith.  These cowards find it easy to take on the Christians since they have no fear of reprisal as they castigate us from behind the skirt of momma NPR and the rest of the liberal media.

Why is it that we only hear about supposed intolerance and hate toward muslims from the Christian community, while people like Sam Harris who have a planned strategy of intolerance and hate are protected.

Common NPR and Atheists, grow a pair.  Next time an airline throws an Imam off of an airplane, interview Mr. Harris about how stupid they are for having those beliefs in the first place.

It seems the anti-atheist mov

It seems the anti-atheist movement is suffering from the same disease that left does when it comes to say ... Rush. Little socialists hear what Rush supposedly says instead of listening - little religious fanatics hear what supposedly atheists say.

Trust me, I do understand that it is difficult to comprehend Dawkins if one believes that Earth is 6000 years old that there were dinosaurs on Noah's Ark. It is, however, something one is ought to read before claiming that atheists single out Christianity. 

All religions are fairy tales, Christianity, Islam and Judaism included.

MERRY CHRISTMAS

MERRY CHRISTMAS...because I believe

A TIME FOR CHOOSING...
http://www.reaganfou...

FOX NEWS is news.  MSM is Jerry Springer  crap

Guess what? I have no issue w

Guess what? I have no issue what so ever with Christmas. Oh, in case no one told you, Jesus was not born on Christmas either. It is a variation on pegan holiday that christianity adopted in order to get population to accept its fairy tale easier. Must be some awesome and powerful religion that it needs to lie in order to be accepted.

So, merry christmas!

In case no one told you..

In case no one told you Jesus died on the cross for you.

Merry Christmas..BECAUSE I BELIEVE
A TIME FOR CHOOSING-http://www.reaganfoundation.org/reagan/speeches/rendezvous.asp
FOX NEWS is news.  MSM is Jerry Springer  crap

Yawn. Jesus may have died on

Yawn. Jesus may have died on the cross. Did he die for me? Nope. Now if he was to take a bullet that was aimed at me by one of those ragheads then he would have died for me.

Well, I now know one person w

Well, I now know one person who won't be getting a present when Jesus comes down the chimney on Xmas Eve.

Old story Evil. We all know t

Old story Evil. We all know that Jesus wasent born on Dec. 25th. As a matter of fact, nobody know exactly what day he was born. More than likely we never will. The Hebrew calender has 13 months after all, as the Hindu. But the fact of the matter is, YOU cant prove that he wasent born on Dec. 25th either. The pegan holiday you refer to is Saturnalia. A cessation of formal rules.

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

Indeed, it was a Roman empero

Indeed, it was a Roman emperor that decreed Christmas be held on December 25 the first time.  I believe the year was 336.  Very old news.

"Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy."  -Sir Winston Churchill, British statesman (1874-1965)

I think it was Sextus Julius

I think it was Sextus Julius Africanus that popularized the idea of Dec. 25th in 221 AD. I am not sure. Just something I read somewhere, and I cant remember where I read it. I do think he was a Christian historian.

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

I see logic is not your frien

I see logic is not your friend. Let me help you: It is a positive assertion that requires positive proof.

And what is the positive asse

And what is the positive assertion that requires positive proof? Your quest should not be for logic, (your losing that race), but for something more. Something bigger than yourself, (figuratively speaking). An enlightenment so to speak. I cannot see all of the stars at night, but I know they are there. What else is there that you cant see?

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

OK, let me spell it out for y

OK, let me spell it out for you - pay attention:

Jesus was "born" at time t1. Even religious definition of time accepts that Jesus was not born when time itself, or Earth, or whatever else was created/showed up/spontaneously appeared. That time shall be called t0. You have directly accepted that there was time before Jesus by using BC tag.

So, we are agreeing that at t0 there was no Jesus. Hence I do not need to prove it to you. ( Now if you do not agree that there was no Jesus at t0, then you can't have birth of Jesus separate from creation/showingup/spontaneously appearacen of Earth  which contradicts the fairy tale book know as Bible. )

Now you are claiming Jesus was born on a day X. Since we have agreed he was not born at time t0, you are intoducing a new event into the system. It is, therefore, up to you to prove such event, not up to me to disprove it.

P.S. Nice touch with the stars - however it hurts your claim. The reason we know the stars are there is because we do not have to take it on faith. Any abitrary person can be given ability to see those start. It seems no one, however, can repeat the process of seeing that "bigger thing".

OK, let me spell it out for

OK, let me spell it out for you - pay attention:

Jesus
was "born" at time t1. Even religious definition of time accepts that
Jesus was not born when time itself, or Earth, or was created/showed
up/spontaneously appeared. That time shall be called t0. You accepted
that at t0 Jesus did not exist.

umm.... no that's incorrect (good switcheroo there thought). All religions believe that Jesus existed at t0 but he was not in a human FORM. This is why the first rule of debate is always "agree upon the terms."

So, we are agreeing that at t0
there was no Jesus. Hence I do not need to prove it to you. ( Now if
you do not agree that there was no Jesus at t0, then you can't have
birth of Jesus separate from creation/showingup/spontaneously
appearacen of Earth which contradicts the fairy tale book know as
Bible. )

1) no, we are not agreeing.
2) Actually, that is a logical fallacy because yes, we can then have His birth later. Newton's laws state that matter and energy can change forms correct? Thus, if we presume that any representation of a deity might therefore be a form of sentient energy, then we can assume that while the energy existed at t0, it changed forms at time point X. Thus your very presumption is flawed from the beginning.
3) The gospel of john pretty much contradicts your claim about the Bible.

Now you are claiming Jesus was born on a day X. Since we
have agreed he was not born at time t0, you are intoducing a new event
into the system. It is, therefore, up to you to prove it.

Anyway, here's a calculation on when he was probably born.

Help

Now, Evil, we are going to need your help about one subject. It is that nasty business that the Bible talks about called Hell.

We will have to count on you to let us know if it really exists or not.

Call me!

That seems very unchristian

That seems very unchristian. If God morns every soul that abandons Him, should not his followers? Don't believers want to ensure that nobody goes there?

Some people need a wake up ca

Some people need a wake up call, and besides we are not abandoning him as much as we are foretelling his fate if he does not turn his life around.  It is our job to spread the word not to convert him, that is the Holy Spirits job.  Some will not get the message and be damned, only God knows who will and will not be in Hell.

So no its not  harsh just given his predelection he will probably end up there. 

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark. -- save my gun, shoot a liberal.

...

  ...looks like you jumped the gun and were quickly responded to by other posters quite well.  Your attempt at trying to reach an 'agreement' on the state of existence of Jesus was quite amusing, however, thanks.

  I'd just like to point out the star example certainly does work...conditionally.  You might be able to see it, true... but how would you prove to a blind man that they exist at all?  They do have to take it on faith, as they have no way at all to actually perceive of them.  As for seeing the "bigger thing", it certainly seems as if a sizable chunk of the population can do that, so you've still not proven your own case.

we don't trust evil here

I'm a good capitalist because my life is in order. If i die today, I'll lose nothing, I'll gain everlasting life. Because I believe Jesus Christ. He is the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world, evil capital. What's a "pegan holiday?

Our Holy Faith is not about doing variations on somebody else's holidays. The December 25 date assigned to Jesus' birth is an HONEST attempt to keep His flock celebrating it on the same date everywhere. This is called "leverage" where you work. We cover it all by using this intelligence God gave us. He gave it to you as well, and you'll make a lot of money in our society. FINE.

When you die, will you have everlasting life? How much can you corner on the life market? I've got that market cornered and the stock is going through the roof! UP!!!
I was in Rome recently. The Sistine ceiling is out a sight!

But on the altar side of the chapel is Michelangelo's Last Judgment. Pretty chilling. We have this scene virtually corroborated for us by Christ Himself. He will judge the living and the dead. I think I saw a number of sad faces amidst the confused mob; on their way DOWN. Their stock in this life was like yours. Bad investments, and finally they bankrupted guys like you. You thought it was a fairy tale. It isn't. Just wait and you'll see, Bub.

Practice what you preach, my

Practice what you preach, my profit-driven friend. Not all Christians believe in a young earth, or that the flood of Noah was a global event. If those are the strawmen you knock down to support your non-beliefs, I would suggest a bit more research. Here is a good place to start.

And I apologize in advance for the hit and run. While I read as regularly as I can, I am able to post only once in the bluest of moons. Though this an area close to my heart, I regret that I cannot give it the attention it deserves on such a forum.

Yep Evil. Your doing your bes

Yep Evil. Your doing your best to prove that man came from apes. You almost have me convinced, now.

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

There's an anti-athiest mov

There's an anti-athiest movement?

Cool!!

How do I join? Are there meetings?

As a side note I'll whisper it because I don't want to blow your mind, two-thirds of scientists believe in God.

Proud member of the all-powerful and vast
militarist/industrialist/capitalist/zionist-bagelist complex

Actually it's 40% of scientis

Actually it's 40% of scientists who believe in God according to a study done in 1997 at the University of Georgia, which suggests that the percentage of theistic scientists hasn't changed much since 1916 when a study was done at Bryn Mawr University. However, the Templeton Foundation did a study in 2005 which concluded that 60% of scientists believe in God(s). I tend to believe the University of Georgia study over the Templeton study, since the Templeton Foundations stated goal is to promote religion.

Many of the scientists who do believe in a God are pantheists, who don't believe in a being that can bypass the laws of nature at will, or that listens to prayers. In short, they don't believe in a personal God.

Travis

It seems the anti-atheist m

It seems the anti-atheist movement is suffering from the same disease
that left does when it comes to say ... Rush. Little socialists hear
what Rush supposedly says instead of listening - little religious
fanatics hear what supposedly atheists say.

Irony much? Maybe you should stop responding to what some religious movements "supposedly" say and actually listen to them.

I mean, I've had no choice but to hear plenty on religion where I live and I've never heard of dinosaurs on Noah's Ark. Some say they DROWNED during Noah's arc but never that they were on board.

Speaking of Islam, it's menti

Speaking of Islam, it's mentioned in the wider story. Here's the Nexis transcript:

ROBERT SIEGEL, host:

From NPR News, this is ALL THINGS CONSIDERED. I'm Robert Siegel.

Atheism has never gained much of a foothold in the United States. Barely one percent of Americans describe themselves as atheists. Now, a small group on nonbelievers has a new approach to getting their message out, challenging the faithful with a fiery rhetorical blend of reason and ridicule, especially ridicule.

New York Times columnist Nicholas Kristof has written that this Charge of the Atheist Brigade is intolerant and mean toward conservative Christians.

Brooke Gladstone, host of NPR's On the Media reports on the new atheist offensive.

 

BROOKE GLADSTONE: Atheism already had a PR problem. Then came Sam Harris, author of "Letter to a Christian Nation." When he wrote that since 20 percent of all recognized pregnancies end in miscarriage, God is, quote, the most prolific abortionist of all, he really made people mad.

Harris is one of the most vocal spokesmen for the so-called new atheists. Along with Oxford scientist Richard Dawkins, author of "The God Delusion." They wield logic like a bludgeon. So much so, that even Comedy Central's "South Park," a series that has savaged Scientology, Christian fundamentalism, and the Mormons, got out the knives.

(Soundbite of TV show, "South Park")

Unidentified Man (Actor): (As character) Let us not forget the great Richard Dawkins, who finally freed the world of religion long ago. Dawkins knew that logic and reason were the way of the future. But it wasn't until he met his beautiful wife that he learned using logic and reason isn't enough. You have to be a dick to everyone who doesn't think like you.

GLADSTONE: Sam Harris concedes he's on a mission to make moderates less moderate.

Mr. SAM HARRIS (Author, "Letter to a Christian Nation") Because moderates insist that we respect their religious faith, we can't criticize the role that religious faith is playing in dividing people.

GLADSTONE: And Harris says moderates are mistaken if they believe the wall between church and state can protect us from extremists. They've already scaled it.

Mr. HARRIS: If you think the creator of the universe is letting people fly planes into our buildings because we are tolerating gay marriage or he's whipping up hurricanes in the Gulf because we're tolerating gay marriage, you have to try to legislate against gay marriage. There's nothing intolerant or mean or fundamentalist or dogmatic about opposing this kind of delusion.

Mr. GARY WOLF (Wired magazine): Real life differs from culture wars in the media.

GLADSTONE: Gary Wolf wrote about the new atheists in Wired magazine. He says that the blunt tactics used by the new atheists cannot be applied to personal arguments over faith, where delicate family and work relationships might hang in the balance. He says the polemics of new atheism can be just as nasty as the fundamentalists.

Mr. WOLF: So, while I don't accuse the atheists of being fundamentalists, the rhetoric they use resonates with the religious rhetoric that controls much of our cultural debate today.

GLADSTONE: Sam Harris.

Mr. HARRIS: There's nothing fundamentalist about rejecting the claim that the universe is 6,000 years old.

GLADSTONE: Yes, there is, says Christian Coalition founder Pat Robertson speaking on "The 700 Club."

(Soundbite of TV show, "The 700 Club")

Reverend PAT ROBERTSON (Founder, Christian Coalition): What we've got to recognize just there in this case is that the evolutionists worship atheism. I mean that's their religion.

GLADSTONE: If, in fact, atheism were a religion it might get more respect.

Ms. ELLEN JOHNSON (President, American Atheists): We're all familiar with phrases like, you know, I hate to say it: Jews are cheap, Italians are in the mafia, blacks are on welfare, gays are promiscuous, and atheists are immoral.

GLADSTONE: Ellen Johnson is the president of American Atheists, but the phrase she hates most of all goes a little something like this -

Ms. KATIE COURIC (CBS News): Perhaps you've heard the expression there are no atheists in foxholes.

Mr. BOB SCHIEFFER (CBS News): Wartime, there are no atheists in foxholes.

JOHN BURNETT: To amend the old saying about foxholes, there are no atheists driving trucks in Iraq.

GLADSTONE: That was CBS's Katie Couric and Bob Schieffer and NPR's John Burnett. Those were just the three we got tape of. News people say it all the time. Ellen Johnson.

Ms. JOHNSON: It's demeaning to atheists. It's saying that under very dire circumstances or frightening situations, atheists will stop being atheists, they will start believing. And this is really just a wish on the part of the religious, because it's not based in fact.

JOHN BURNETT: I thought it was a good line for the tape.

GLADSTONE: NPR's John Burnett.

BURNETT: And I didn't realize that it was so offensive to atheists, and I learned that in spades after the story came out. They spammed me for weeks with e-mail saying we're outraged. So now I know.

GLADSTONE: And did you sort of see their point?

BURNETT: I do see their point. I literally hadn't thought about it before and frankly, I will think twice about using the phrase again.

GLADSTONE: So if the news media aren't sensitive to atheists, Hollywood must be, right? I mean the political right says it's so gay and liberal and irreligious.

(Soundbite of TV show, "House")

Mr. HUGH LAURIE (Actor): (As Dr. House) Faith, that's another for ignorance, isn't it?

GLADSTONE: That's Dr. Gregory House, a brilliant if antisocial diagnostician and the main character in the Fox medical drama "House." He's also an atheist. In a recent episode House comes up against a teenage faith healer who seems to be curing a patient with terminal cancer.

Mr. LAURIE: (As Dr. House) I fear for the human race. A teenager claims to be the voice of God and people with advanced degrees are listening.

GLADSTONE: In a hospital staff lounge, a colleague posts a scoreboard with two columns - House vs. God. Whenever House can't explain a medical result, says David Shore, creator of the series -

Mr. DAVID SHORE (Creator, "House"): God got a checkmark. When House explained something, House got a checkmark.

GLADSTONE: At the end of the show on that little tally board, you left it at a draw.

Mr. SHORE: Yes.

GLADSTONE: Put I think you were actually pulling your punches a little there, weren't you?

Mr. SHORE: I hope not. Maybe. I do it sometimes. I don't know.

GLADSTONE: Yes, he does, because House actually found a medical explanation for everything the faith healer claimed to be doing through God.

Hollywood usually pulls its punches on atheism. Mostly, TV atheists are lost souls. Like Jen in the teenage drama "Dawson's Creek," that ran from 1998 to 2003. Here was Jen in the series premiere.

(Soundbite of TV show, "Dawson's Creek")

Ms. MICHELLE WILLIAMS (Actress): (As Jen Lindley) You know, I don't do real well with church and the bible and this prayer stuff.

Ms. MARY BETH PEIL (Actress): (As Grams) I beg your pardon?

Ms. WILLIAMS: (As Jen Lindley) I don't covet a religious god. Grams, I'm an atheist.

GLADSTONE: And here she is in the series finale, terminally ill taping a farewell message to her baby daughter.

Ms. WILLIAMS: (As Jen Lindley) The thing that I've come to realize sweetheart is that it just doesn't matter if God exists or not. The important thing is for you to believe in something.

GLADSTONE: Sam Harris.

Mr. HARRIS: The idea is that while I don't need religion and you don't need religion, everyone else does. Everyone else is still living in childhood in some sense and it lacks compassion to wake them up into adulthood. That is condescending.

GLADSTONE: Harris says the only way to win is to keep up the pressure until religious tolerance is no longer tolerated.

Mr. HARRIS: I think the criticism of irrationality just has to come from 100 sides all at once. In the entertainment community, maybe you'll just have people making jokes that are funny enough and true enough so as to put religious certainty in a bad light.

Mr. STEPHEN COLBERT (Comedy Central): We know atheists are brave.

GLADSTONE: Comedy Central's Stephen Colbert.

Mr. COLBERT: They're not afraid to go to hell and be tortured by Satan for all eternity, which is what's going to happen.

(Soundbite of laughter)

Mr. HARRIS: One day someone in the White House press corps will hear the President of the United States express some certainty about being in dialogue with the creator of the universe and he or she will ask a question which should be on everybody's mind - you know, how is this any different from thinking you're in dialogue with Zeus?

GLADSTONE: That day is far off. But Harris has a great deal of faith in his fellow man.

Mr. HARRIS: I'm hopeful that journalists and people in the entertainment industry are waiting for the permission to express their doubts, and I think that permission is coming. I mean I'm trying to do what I can to engineer it in my hardheaded and boorish way.

And I feel, just from the contacts I have in both industries, that there's a profound sense of relief that comes with hearing somebody call a spade a spade.

GLADSTONE: Was that what Stephen Colbert was doing when he addressed an audience of Hollywood elite at the Emmy's this year?

Mr. COLBERT: Good evening, godless Sodomites.

(Soundbite of laughter)

GLADSTONE: Harris may have no tolerance for the gospel, but as an atheist trying to enlist Hollywood in his crusade, Colbert's greeting has to sound like some kind of good news.

SIEGEL: Brooke Gladstone is a host of WNYC's On the Media.

Actually Sam Harris has criti

Actually Sam Harris has criticized Islam frequently and sharply.

" Islam, more than any other religion human beings have devised, has all the makings of a thoroughgoing cult of death. "

" As a matter of doctrine, the Muslim conception of tolerance is one in which non-Muslims have been politically and economically subdued, converted, or put to sword."

" The truth that we must finally confront is that Islam contains specific notions of martyrdom and jihad that fully explain the character of Muslim violence. "

All those quotes were by Sam Harris. Sam Harris has not been protected. Many have, with some justification, accused him of intolerance. Sam Harris himself said:

" The very ideal of religious tolerance—born of the notion that every human being should be free to believe whatever he wants about God—is one of the principal forces driving us toward the abyss."

I disagree with that view. But there is a huge double standard, not just in the media, but in society in general. When George H. W. Bush said that he didn't, "know that atheists should be considered citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God." in a news conference, only one reporter thought that intolerant statement was newsworthy! Consider for just a moment how the press might have reacted if Mr. Bush said, "No, I don't know that Jews should be considered citizens." There are more atheists in this country than Jews and yet few seem to care when intolerant statements are made towards atheists.

On the other hand, the second an atheist even criticizes a religion he/she is accused of intolerance. Atheists like Richard Dawkins, and Bertrand Russell were accused of intolerance, not because they suggested that religious people have fewer rights or that they are lesser people, but simply because they dared to criticize religion. I don't think that all criticism is intolerance and I don't think that religion should be immune to criticism.

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