Talk about bad timing. Dennis Kucinich yesterday announced that he will be running for the Democrat presidential nomination in '08 and almost no one noticed. No wonder. It was impossible for Kucinich to get the least bit of attention focused on himself because most of the media was in the midst of an orgy of Obama worship even though the junior Senator from Illinois hasn't even officially announced that he is running for president. In case you think things couldn't get any worse for the Kucinich campaign, they do. The day before Kucinich made his announcement that almost no one noticed, his former press secretary made a startling confession of personal incompetence and declared that Kucinich might not be qualified to become president because he was clueless enough to hire a press secretary with absolutely no ability such as himself. In case you think this is a skit for a comedy show, it's not. You can read for yourself the confession of incompetence by William Rivers Pitt at the Democratic Underground:
The announcement that Dennis Kucinich will run for President in '08 has been met with a great chorus of approving voices here. It will be very important to have a voice and a perspective like his in the race - "Hi, my name's Dennis, and I was totally right about the war all the way back in 2002" - but I have one caveat to offer that I hope you decide to take very seriously.
I worked for a litle while as the Kucinich Press Secretary during the '04 run, as some of you might recall. Thanks to a variety of outside and internal circumstances, combined with my own utter lack of experience and what has to be called my rank incompetence in a position I had no grounding for, I am pretty sure you can pen me into The Book as the Worst National Campaign Press Secretary In The History Of All Known Universes.
Therefore, I will put this very simply: watch the Kucinich campaign closely. If they start hiring people like me on as main staffers, be very, very, very concerned. No matter how solid a candidate may be, a campaign can die in the cradle if the staffers don't know what they are doing. If these kind of hires start happening, you are going have to wonder what the point of the exercise is, because winning anything won't be on the menu. Period.
Yes, Mr. Pitt. We will watch the Kucinich campaign closely. Not because of any concern that he might actually win but for the entertainment value of the comedy of errors that it presents. Oh, and let us thank the Worst National Campaign Press Secretary In The History Of All Known Universes for the laughs!
—P.J. Gladnick is a freelance writer and creator of the DUmmie FUnnies blog.














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Those "so quiet you ca
December 13, 2006 - 17:22 ET by MightyMouthThose "so quiet you can hear a pin drop" news conferences are a real bitch, aren't they?
Is this thing on? <tap tap>
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Wow...now we have to Jugheads
December 13, 2006 - 17:24 ET by bigtimerWow...now we have to Jugheads running for Prez that could take off and land alone on their ear power....
I know some of you must remember Jughead....eh?
"Once the coffers of the federal government are opened to the public, there will be no shutting them again." - Grover Cleveland
Godfried
December 13, 2006 - 17:29 ET by misterbillI don't care what you say, that is Gilbert Gottfried!!
No way, Gilbert Gottfried i
December 13, 2006 - 18:00 ET by MudhenNo way, Gilbert Gottfried is much smarter than Dennis Kucinich. For example, Gilbert would realize that if he ran for President, it would be a joke, while Kucinich will never figure that out in a million years.
Good point
December 13, 2006 - 18:05 ET by misterbillGood point -- and like Paulsen years ago Gilbert would give us laughs along the way!
Good point
December 13, 2006 - 18:05 ET by misterbillDratted PC!
President Kucinich . . . what
December 13, 2006 - 17:33 ET by NoMoreClintonsPresident Kucinich . . . what a ring that has to it.
Why do they call him Wolf?
Now that comment requires a
December 13, 2006 - 17:45 ET by MightyMouthNow that comment requires a sound effect.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
I saw Kucinich on one of the
December 13, 2006 - 17:51 ET by Roger the ShrubberI saw Kucinich on one of the C-SPAN channels last night. It was the tail-end of his press conference at, what looked to be, an elementary school, packed with at least 5-6 reporters and what looked like a very distraught homeless black woman, who was pleading for poor Dennis to bring her girl home. Apparently her poor daughter joined the armed forces and was stationed overseas (Germany, I think) and never thought she might be sent to Iraq or actually might be asked to do the job she signed up for. Damn that George Bush.
Then Kucinich's Amazon wife walked over, picked up Dennis and put him on her shoulder, and they both walked out of the room.
I heard she put him in her
December 13, 2006 - 17:54 ET by MightyMouthI heard she put him in her purse? I'll have to check my source.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
I think I found a photo of Ku
December 13, 2006 - 22:05 ET by Roger the ShrubberI think I found a photo of Kucinich and his wife.
But hey he's got the muslim v
December 13, 2006 - 18:09 ET by mastersofdeceitBut hey he's got the muslim vote! mooselimbs4kucinich
What's with the red star? Shouldn't it be a crescent?
masofdec...Scary link you got
December 13, 2006 - 18:20 ET by Clear thinkermasofdec...
Scary link you got there!
Kucinich says.........
December 13, 2006 - 18:24 ET by misterbillKucinich says.........Hey, I'm not just a pretty face!
Kucinich looks like a claymat
December 13, 2006 - 18:28 ET by BrownCowKucinich looks like a claymation . . . . Just a random thought !
Kooky Kucinich will be gard
December 13, 2006 - 18:44 ET by zhombreKooky Kucinich will be garden gnome to Obama's lawn jockey; the perfect accessories to Hillary's garden party.
Good analogy.
December 13, 2006 - 22:00 ET by Roger the ShrubberGood analogy.
Question about Kucinich
December 13, 2006 - 20:09 ET by UnsaneQuestion: is Kucinich running for the Democratic Presidential nomination or the Socialist Presidential nomination?
"Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy." -Sir Winston Churchill, British statesman (1874-1965)
Unsane...Evening to ya!I'd sa
December 13, 2006 - 20:12 ET by bigtimerUnsane...Evening to ya!
I'd say with certainty... the latter!
"Once the coffers of the federal government are opened to the public, there will be no shutting them again." - Grover Cleveland
Does this guy get some kind o
December 13, 2006 - 21:54 ET by StonefingersDoes this guy get some kind of kinky pleasure out of getting his butt whipped? Does he really believe that people will vote for him?
I can't think of any other reason why he'd want to come back for more.
As long as we're at it, why don't we bring back Tulie Kupferberg? (sp?)
SF...
December 13, 2006 - 22:11 ET by Clear thinkerDennis is looking to out-do his last vote count when he ran for prez. He's hoping to add at least 4 more votes to the 6 he got.
I can't wait for this barn-burner of a race now that he's in it.
Well, now that he's re-marrie
December 13, 2006 - 22:15 ET by Roger the ShrubberWell, now that he's re-married, he might double his votes if his in-laws vote for him, right?
Who says his in-laws like him
December 13, 2006 - 22:28 ET by Clear thinkerWho says his in-laws like him?
Good point.Maybe Shirley MacL
December 14, 2006 - 10:00 ET by Roger the ShrubberGood point.
Maybe Shirley MacLaine can channel some votes for him. She is the godmother of his kid, after all.
The same thing happened to Ku
December 13, 2006 - 21:55 ET by Iconoclast421The same thing happened to Kucinich the last time around. The guy is just not charismatic at all. I mean, he has like 0 charisma. It's too bad really, but that is reality. People like to listen to Obama. He doesn't make people yawn. And people talk about him. Because he's not tainted like Hillarain and McCainary (as far as we know). The only thing that will stop him from winning in '08 is another magic bullet. It's too bad this country is likely to be damaged beyond repair after 2 more years of this president....
I agree. Kucinich did wonders
December 13, 2006 - 21:59 ET by Roger the ShrubberI agree. Kucinich did wonders for Cleveland. Just think of the all the great ideas he has in store if he becomes president!
I disagree. This President
December 13, 2006 - 22:21 ET by UnsaneI disagree. This President is going to prevent this country from being damaged beyond repair with his veto pen. See, Bush isn't as conservative as I would like, but I am fairly positive that he thinks that killing terrorists in Karbala, NOT Kansas City and Baghdad, NOT Boston is a GOOD thing...and he also thinks that stealing from the successful just because they are successful and that they need to be forced to reward/subsidize failures is a bad thing as well.
By your post I can only guess that you think government thievery from the successful and caving to the bad guys at every opportunity is a great idea.
I would be more than willing to listen to Obama if he had...ideas. (Which he does not.) Or, if he had...experience. Could he at least finish a full Senate term first and, oh, I don't know, author some legislation or sponsor some bills? But since he has neither...yawn.
"Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy." -Sir Winston Churchill, British statesman (1874-1965)
LOL. And Bush has ideas? (Ide
December 13, 2006 - 23:54 ET by Iconoclast421LOL. And Bush has ideas? (Idears?)
Oh yes, we gotta go over there and get them before they get us. Have you ever even once bothered to stop and think about the validity of that argument? That's why Bush has only 25% support left on Iraq. By now most have realized how absurd his "ideas" are. "We gotta go over there and get them before they get us." LOL. Get who? People who had nothing to do with 9/11? People who had absolutely no intention of coming here and trying to wreck our country, at least, until we invaded them? Do you know what a self fulfilling prophecy is? Is it really something you want to learn the hard way?
Well, Icon...Would you kindly
December 14, 2006 - 00:06 ET by BlondeWell, Icon...
Would you kindly identify the city in which you live....
So we can be sure the next round of Al-Qaeda terr's blow you up before they blow me up?
Since you find it all so funny and amusing and all?
But I'm sure you'll be the first one whining about no help....a la Hurricane Katrina "victims"....who were to stupid to get the hell out of Dodge.
So, Icon....how far and how fast can you run there, guy?
Next round of al-qaeda terror
December 14, 2006 - 15:35 ET by Iconoclast421Next round of al-qaeda terrors. lol. First of all, statistically speaking, I am not worried about terrorism at all, because that is not what is going to kill me. And if you didn't sit in front of the tv listening to those people TERRORIZE you then you'd know that too. LOL it's so funny how you people don't even know what terrorism is. Terrorism is this government telling you that al-qaeda is going to get you if you don't submit.
We're not going to die because of al-qaeda. We're going to die in a car wreck, from heart disease, stroke, cancer, or from dust that the EPA said was safe to breathe. LOL. Do you have any idea how many car bombs it will take before terrorism breaks into the top 5 causes of death in this country? Yet people are ready to shred the constitution so that the fuhrer can make them safe. What a joke.
Ok Icon...granted the chances
December 14, 2006 - 15:44 ET by bassndudeOk Icon...granted the chances of being Murdered in this country is not as great as else where. But, it is an established fact, that at some point in everyones life, they will be the victom of or know a murder victom. Lets say, your family, someone, anyone, is murdered. And lets say, the murderer is muslim, with a disdain of America. And lets say, your wife and daugher were at the mall with out their face and hair covered, and he takes offense, and blows them up, or shoots them or whatever. I am sure you will still espouse the same sentiments, correct?
After all, terrorists are murderers. A mafia of a different sort it all. And they need to be eradicated by any means.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
I tell you what I wont do in
December 14, 2006 - 18:26 ET by Iconoclast421I tell you what I wont do in such a hypothetical situation: I won't go bomb a bunch of people who had nothing to do with the guy who pulled the trigger. But statistically speaking, there is no reason to entertain the thought of being murdered by a muslim, just to serve your propaganda purposes. Even those who have been murdered are most likely to have been murdered by either one of our own, or a latin american illegal immigrant. Were the columbine guys radical islamists? Oh how I bet you'd salivate over the possibility!
What you will do, instead, is
December 14, 2006 - 20:22 ET by UnsaneWhat you will do, instead, is scream "I HAVE RIGHTS!!! I HAVE RIGHTS!!!" while crying hysterically. Even as you get riddled with bullets.
"Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy." -Sir Winston Churchill, British statesman (1874-1965)
I realize you must be thinkin
December 14, 2006 - 16:03 ET by Roger the ShrubberI realize you must be thinking that no harm can come to you in your inner sanctum (mom's basement). But, remember this, as you try to keep the Dorito crumbs off your Green Day t-shirt while playing "Grand Theft Auto", someday you will turn 21 and actually be able to engage in political discussion without invoking Godwin's Law.
Until that happens, stick with the Hufftards, will ya, Haterette?
Roger...
December 14, 2006 - 18:31 ET by Guy Arthur ThomasRoger, if or when Fox, The Comedy Channel or someone develops a conservative alternative to The Daily Show...you are going to have to submit a resume as a writer...that above was just too funny for NB viewers only.
If you claim to be a conservative, please don't disgrace yourself and conservatism by thinking and arguing like a liberal.
Congratulations on that giant
December 14, 2006 - 18:33 ET by Iconoclast421Congratulations on that giant piece of masterfully written ad hominem. Do you have any facts to support those assumptions?
You know, usually when people invoke Godwin's Law, they don't do it by mentioning Prescott Bush...
Evidence, please
December 14, 2006 - 20:27 ET by UnsaneMaybe you should back up the last sentence with something called evidence. But I'm not holding my breath.
So pathetic that you cry about what a tyranny America is under the evil Bush, yet I am willing to bet you haven't seen tyranny up close, much less left the United States.
"Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy." -Sir Winston Churchill, British statesman (1874-1965)
It is people like you that ma
December 14, 2006 - 17:19 ET by UnsaneIt is people like you that make me say that the United States MUST lose an entire city before you take the threat seriously and understand that the Constitution can ONLY be fully enjoyed and appreciated by the living.
Now, my spoiled brat who knows absolutely NOTHING about what tyranny is, please list the violations of the Constitution that have been committed since 20 January 2001; and ANY amendments to the Constitution that have occurred either in the Clinton administration or during the Bush (the Younger) administration. In case you were wondering, I have seen three tyrannies up close and personal. I know what tyranny is. You couldn't hack it whatsoever.
But then, why spend any more time with you? You lost the argument once you invoked Nazi references to describe an elected administration that will no longer be in power as of 20 January 2009.
"Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy." -Sir Winston Churchill, British statesman (1874-1965)
Oh I know tyranny. This is ty
December 14, 2006 - 18:46 ET by Iconoclast421Oh I know tyranny. This is tyranny: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U16WPyVTFPo
Using the threat of terror to control the population. THAT is tyranny. A president who will not change his policy despite the fact that 75% disapprove of his policy. THAT is tyranny. (It's also a dictatorship.) When a government imposes an illegal and unconstitutional tax (the Income Tax) on us, THAT is tyranny. When a government allows its money supply to be controlled by a private institution (the Federal Reserve) THAT is tyranny. When a government passes law after law that places more power and more wealth in the hands of fewer and fewer people, THAT is tyranny. I could go on and on... How much tyranny is enough for you? Exactly what kind of tyranny is unacceptable to you?
Let's break down your delusio
December 14, 2006 - 20:37 ET by UnsaneLet's break down your delusions one by one. Bush is not threatening terror to control the population, al-Qaeda is. This is not a parliamentary democracy; 100% of the population can disagree with his policy all they want and he is in office until 20 January 2009. The Income Tax was made legal by the 16th Amendment, and if/when you come in here again crying that it was somehow "illegally ratified", I will quote you the dates of proposal AND ratification. The Federal Reserve can be taken away by an act of Congress quite easily. It is not a private institution.
Finally, it is so funny that you claim to be concerned about "tyranny", yet you think it is a wonderful thing to STEAL from people who have more wealth than you, even though you have ZERO claim on it because you did not earn it. But never mind, you think it is 100% okay to steal from them just because. Tell you what, Iconoclast421...why not just exterminate all of those Leeches and redistribute all of that money amongst those who did not earn it? Hell, you should LOVE the state of things now...did you know that the top 40% of wage earners pay 99.94% of federal income tax?
And if you get your way, and get the chance to exterminate those Rich Leeches you so passionately hate for doing what you are unwilling to do to get ahead, and can exterminate one of the Leeches with your bare hands closing around his/her neck, just how intense will your orgasm be? (You want a tyrannical kleptocracy, and you lecture ME on tyranny? Pathetic...)
"Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy." -Sir Winston Churchill, British statesman (1874-1965)
" Bush is not threaten
December 15, 2006 - 18:12 ET by Iconoclast421" Bush is not threatening terror to control the population, al-Qaeda is."
I just posted a two minute clip from ONE republican event, where they push terrorism down people's throats over 100 times. And it wasn't Al-Qaeda doing it. It was Bush, Cheney, Ghouliani, etc.
"The Income Tax was made legal by the 16th Amendment"
Show me that law. I'm talking about the Personal income tax, not the corporate income tax btw. No one can produce the law that requires us to pay a personal income, because there is no such law. It is a direct unapportioned tax, and it is unconstitutional.
"The Federal Reserve can be taken away by an act of Congress quite easily. It is not a private institution"
Yeah right. Just ask JFK how easy it is. And yes it is a private institution. lol. What do you think it is?
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"you think it is a wonderful thing to STEAL from people who have more wealth than you"
"why not just exterminate all of those Leeches"
"And if you get your way"
"and can exterminate one of the Leeches with your bare hands"
I will not entertain your delusional straw men. You can make up whatever demon you want and ascribe it to me, but you cannot refute my actual arguments, even though you claim to "break down my delusions one by one" LOL. All you are doing is breaking down into your own delusions. I just said the personal income tax is illegal. LOL Yet somehow you think I want to take people's money. LOL. Talk about delusions!
Wesley Snipes
December 15, 2006 - 18:15 ET by dagdaEvidently you are a supporter of Wesley Snipes tax stand. I wish both of you luck.
Our real problem, then, is not our strength today; it is rather the vital necessity of action today to ensure our strength tomorrow. Dwight Eisenhower
Nope, Iconoclast421, you have
December 15, 2006 - 22:23 ET by UnsaneNope, Iconoclast421, you have been caught red-handed. On an earlier post you cried about how laws were being written to concentrate wealth into the hands of fewer and fewer Americans. That is Socialist class envy rhetoric, and the people who cry about that are those who want to steal from those who have earned it because the fact that they earned it is "not fair".
And now you say the 16th Amendment does not apply to personal income tax. Tsk tsk. Read the following and weep.
"The Congress shall have the power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration."
There it is. The 16th Amendment. Proposed by Congress on 12 July 1909; ratified on 3 February 1913. You have been shown the law, and as you can see, it clearly says "from whatever source derived", to include personal incomes.
So I detect something of a contradiction there; but then you are a clearly deeply troubled individual who should be focusing on more important issues.
As to that speech, so what if our politicians mentioned a very real threat over 100 times, or even 1000? It is still a threat, you just don't want to face it. And the ONLY reason they are bringing it up is because of what happened on 11 September 2001. You do remember what happened on that day, don't you?
Finally, if the Federal Reserve is a private institution, perhaps you can explain why an act of Congress was required to create it in 1913, and why Congress could repeal that law tomorrow if they wanted (and bye-bye Federal Reserve). Better, why not go to your nearest Federal Reserve bank and just walk on in like it is some local bank. I'd be willing to bet that you can't.
"Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy." -Sir Winston Churchill, British statesman (1874-1965)
Come on, Icon!Validity? &qu
December 14, 2006 - 00:17 ET by BlondeCome on, Icon!
Validity?
"People who had absolutely no intention of coming here and trying to wreck our country, at least, until we invaded them?"
I hope you (rather than me, my friends, and my family) are at ground zero, the next time around. I won't cry for you.
Since you are obviously too stupid to understand.
LOL....Bush has ideas? (Idears?)
Enjoy oblivion. Icon.
Yeah, you, your friends, and
December 14, 2006 - 15:58 ET by Iconoclast421Yeah, you, your friends, and your family will be too busy parroting the president when he talks about how we need to round up all the traitors... all those anti-war people who sabotaged the war effort! Does it bother you that this is so predictable?
"Since you are obviously too stupid to understand"
Understand what? Should I go bomb a market in the middle of shanghai if my nephew chokes on a toy made in china? That whole mindset is bunk. How can you understand that but not understand Iraq & 9/11. Oh, it's because der fuhrer doesn't understand either...
I invite you to attempt to prove how "stupid" I am. Tell me how I was so stupid 4 years ago when I wrote 1000 word diatribes about how invading Iraq would be the biggest mistake this country has ever made. LOL I went up against everybody. I got myself thrown off of boards like these because they didn't want to hear it. So excuse me if I couldn't care less who you "cry for." Besides, right now you should be crying for your country...
Oh jeez. . . here we go . . .
December 14, 2006 - 16:08 ET by BrownCowOh jeez. . . here we go . . . another liberal another round of “I’m better than you! I sit in a tree much higher than yours, there is NO glass in my house . . .” Bla Bla Bla ! Maybe you should become an anti-Bush author or even better yet a palm reader. . . . You wrote a diatribe . . bla bla bla . . . . Buckle up ! the poo is getting deep again !
Another liberal? Glass houses
December 14, 2006 - 18:52 ET by Iconoclast421Another liberal? Glass houses? deep poo? Come on. Anyone can write stuff like that. I might seem like I "claim to be better than you" but that's only because you won't respond with facts and logic. Facts and logic are better than garbage personal attacks. So as long as you stick with that technique, I AM going to be better than you. Because it is better to focus on facts than fluff. Now show me how I'm a "liberal".
Show you how you're a liberal
December 14, 2006 - 19:03 ET by BlondeShow you how you're a liberal?
No need....your own words have done that.
And no, I'm not going to help you out by reposting your own words. Everyone here has read them once, which was enough.
Blonde...Icon gets my vote as
December 14, 2006 - 19:12 ET by Clear thinkerBlonde...
Icon gets my vote as a liberal.
Blonde...Icon gets my vote as
December 14, 2006 - 19:12 ET by Clear thinkerBlonde...
Icon gets my vote as a liberal.
I say it's a Stalinist!
December 14, 2006 - 20:27 ET by Free StinkerI say it's a Stalinist!
Just my opinion.
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The MSM supports the troops. The enemy's troops!
My words have done that? lol.
December 14, 2006 - 19:19 ET by Iconoclast421My words have done that? lol. Then show me what words have done that. It should be so easy. This site is supposed to be all about liberal bias. So let's see how you do it.
*sigh*Another reading impaire
December 14, 2006 - 20:26 ET by Blonde*sigh*
Another reading impaired liberal, apparently.
I asked you to do one simpl
December 15, 2006 - 18:14 ET by Iconoclast421I asked you to do one simple thing, and you refuse to do it, or you are unable to do it. And that makes me reading impaired... That is the kind of logic that could win one of today's presidential debates!
Liberal Icon Logic
December 15, 2006 - 18:22 ET by BlondeIcon,
I already told you (posted above) that I wasn't going to do it. So yes, that does make you reading impaired....you failed to understand my words the first time, yet you (feebly) try to get under my skin for not doing something I told you I wasn't going to do before you asked me to do it. Talk about lib logic.
Reading your blather once is quite enough.
Why do you liberals insist on being led around by the hand?
True nature Icon
December 15, 2006 - 18:26 ET by dagdaIcon,
I cannot see why you try to deny your true nature. Surely this is causing personal conflict and deep-seated neurosis. Get past your denial and come clean. You will feel better about yourself.
Our real problem, then, is not our strength today; it is rather the vital necessity of action today to ensure our strength tomorrow. Dwight Eisenhower
Econoclass
December 15, 2006 - 18:34 ET by misterbillDennis, is that you?? Come on, 'fess up.
econoclass
December 15, 2006 - 18:37 ET by misterbillDon't let her get away with it. Try self-immolation. That'll teach her!
Fair enough. Facts: the US
December 15, 2006 - 08:09 ET by Andrew H.Fair enough. Facts: the US was attacked. The muslim community of al qaeda continues to declare the west as an enemy to be destroyed. Sadam ignored thirteen UN resolutions concerning inspectors and feigned having or actually did possess WMD. His military shot at US aircraft. He is repsonsible for killing tens of thousands of his own people. The US responded to the attacks by raiding Afghanistan and put the Taliban out of power. The US responded to Iraq by invading Iraq and deposing Hussien. The US has brought an opportunity to Iraq to build a free society and economy--millions of Iraqis desire that. Insurgents and al qaeda are promulgating violence to prevent a democratic government--violence supported by Iran--they wish it would become a muslim government with sharia law. It remains undecided what will happen and who will prevail because the US has been unwilling to step outside a safe box in this war--continuing to place restrictions on how far we go. There are no restrictions as far as what muslims will do--therefore the nuclear threat is an issue.
Another "motivation" fact: no conservatives I know or have read want war--it is seen as something forced on us. Our alternative is what?
Logic: we defend ourselves by fighting. Whether it is a personal family situaiton or governments--when attacked, we have to defend. We have won the war in both Afghanistan and Iraq--that's why the muslims use violence--because they could not win at the ballot box in many cases. Our options are limited because human beings are inherently greedy--inherently crave power. If we let the muslims do their will, we will be attacked again and again. Their purpose is world domination--as taken out of an early al qaeda training manual. Our logic must be to stop them or we can convert to islam and put sharia law in place of our body of constitutional law.
I don't know if you're a liberal. That's another fact. If you are, God bless you; I hope you discover truth. If you're not, what is it you suggest we should do?
Liberalism is a convenient lie.
When has President Bush or an
December 15, 2006 - 07:39 ET by Andrew H.When has President Bush or anyone in his administration said we should round up anyone--other than al qaeda? Missed that one, Icon... enlighten me.
Liberalism is a convenient lie.
"If you're not with
December 15, 2006 - 18:18 ET by Iconoclast421"If you're not with us, then you're with the terrorists"
so 70% of Americans are terrorists according to Bush...
Round their asses up
December 15, 2006 - 18:22 ET by dagdaConsidering that your percentages are grossly incorrect, we still should round up the asses of the New York Times and the Los Angeles Times. We should also go after other terrorists.
BTW, something over 60% of respondents (not the total American population) has said we should stay in Iraq until the job is done.
Our real problem, then, is not our strength today; it is rather the vital necessity of action today to ensure our strength tomorrow. Dwight Eisenhower
Icon: No--70% of the American
December 16, 2006 - 06:09 ET by Andrew H.Icon: No--70% of the American public do not wish to supplant our system with an islamic fascist system--70% are weary of Iraq and the way the armed forces are being used to police streets where they are targets of opportunity for murderers. He has not called for the internment of anyone except those who conspire to kill Americans. I know you know the difference but I don't know why you exaggerate the issue.
Liberalism is a convenient lie.
I'm wondering, when you wrote
December 16, 2006 - 00:10 ET by JPR1I'm wondering, when you wrote your 1000 word idotribes, how many times did you use "LOL"? Were you counting them as "words"?
Naivete on parade, again and again and again
December 14, 2006 - 01:09 ET by UnsaneYour naivete is showing. I see as well you would rather have a slick used-car salesman type as president just because he SOUNDS good. SOUNDING good does not a good President make, shockingly. Incidentally, as a native Texan, I am looking forward to the day President Bush uses the word "fixin'" in a sentence. (For example: "I'm fixin' to veto some legislation...")
Foreign policy by polls is ALWAYS a bad thing. Foreign policy by following national interests is a good thing. And really, there was NO ONE there who wanted to hurt us before we invaded thier country? Tell that to the Kuwaitis. And by the way, remember Abu Nidal? Yes, the OBL of the 1980s? How he was found dead in Baghdad in March 2003? So I guess the Iraqis are all totally harmless and NEVER harbor terrorists, do they?
Nor do they sponsor terrorism...oh wait, Saddam Hussein DID pay $25K to families of Palestinian suicide bombers.
Oh, and then there is the issue of the no-fly zones. Please find the nearest Air Force pilot who flew these missions and tell them how harmless the Iraqis were.
And I really hate to break your heart...well, no, it NEEDS to be shattered like glass over and over again...but if anyone wrecked that country, it was Saddam. It was not our military that nerve-gassed civilian opponents of his regime or ruthlessly whacked whoever opposed him...and before you whine to me about how we armed him, I would suggest you go cry to the French and the Soviets/Russians who supplied him with his military hardware and know how. He also let the oil industry rot to the point where the oil fields aren't as productive as they once were (and they will require serious FDI, most likely of European origin, as they are closer and the biggest customers in all likelyhood). Yet somehow you ascribe all of their suffering to the United States military, because of your unrelenting hatred of the very institution that provides you the freedom to smear NB with tar-black Leftist vomit.
But then, you think the reason the United States government exists is to coddle and babysit its citizenry and keep Iconoclast421's milk warm in his/her bottle. But I digress.
I close by suggesting that if you want the world to universally love the United States, you won't achieve it with unilateral disarmament, using the military as an arm of the Red Cross, or keeping it around to provide nice parades and ceremonies. You, in fact, were too late as of 4 July 1776. Some in the Middle East have hated this country long before 2003 (do the dates 4 November 1979, 23 October 1983 and phrases like "Flight 847" and Achille Lauro ring a bell for examples?) and will hate it long after.
Never bring a knife to a gun fight.
"Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy." -Sir Winston Churchill, British statesman (1874-1965)
Yeah and like doing nothing a
December 14, 2006 - 08:37 ET by dscottYeah and like doing nothing against terrorism and supporting terrorist governments exempts one from terrorist attacks. Go ask the French how that's working for them.
I find it amusing that someone actually thinks rolling up in a ball or waiving a white flag will appeal to the humanity of a terrorist. Rolling up in a ball may work for a Grisley Bear but it doesn't work for OBL, showing weakness or submission makes you a target. Claiming neutrality or apathy doesn't do it either. They have an agenda, it's called worldwide domination, otherwise they wouldn't be doing things like 911.
“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius
Having America do what it has
December 14, 2006 - 19:18 ET by Iconoclast421Having America do what it has done, setting the entire middle east on the brink of explosion... what makes you think that is not OBL's fondest dream? This government is accomplishing what OBL could not possibly have done on his own. How does that compute for you??
icon...You have it all wrong.
December 14, 2006 - 19:31 ET by Clear thinkericon...
You have it all wrong...it's the bad guys that are about to cause the middle east to explode, not us. Put the blame where it belongs... with the BAD GUYS!
You are right when you say &q
December 14, 2006 - 20:08 ET by Iconoclast421You are right when you say "it's the bad guys that are about to cause the middle east to explode, not us." It never was "us". It was a small group of corrupt chickenhawks who hijacked the conservative movement and used it to milk trillions of dollars from the people and set in motion a chain of events that may now be unstoppable. They want terrorism in the US. They want the money and power that a total American Police State will bring them. They want to tear up our constitution and impose a north american union where we have no rights. That's the disgusting beauty of the Iraq invasion. We cannot get out. We cannot turn around. Yet we cannot escalate either. We bring in more troops and 5 times as many insurgents will flood in from the surrounding countries. We pull out, and we're weak and contemptible. As Longshanks would say about his son "The mere sight of him would only encourage the enemy to take over the whole country!" That is why a new set of Nuremburg trials is the only option. Bush, Cheney, all of them need to hang. Anyone who voted for the war needs to be impeached. Including the spineless dems. This allows us to pull out without appearing weak, because by doing this, we admit our mistakes and stand up for justice. That is not weak, that is the strongest thing anyone can ever do. The radical islamists, our real enemies, will not be able to use that as a rallying cry. This is the only way, and I predict that eventually this is what will happen. I only wonder how many more lives will be lost before it does.
By defeating the extremists in this country, we also defeat the extremists around the world. That is how it works. In time, more people will come to realize this. For now, it's just crazed "liberal" rantings. (Or if it was Gore/Kerry who let this all happen, then it would be crazed "conservative" rantings. lol.)
I find it amusing that you pe
December 14, 2006 - 20:49 ET by UnsaneI find it amusing that you persist with your accusations of ignoring the Constitution when you cannot provide ANY evidence of it being done. Also, that stupid "North American Union" conspiracy theory can be destroyed by anyone with even an ounce of critical thinking skills, or knowledge of the history and culture of all three countries. For some reason, you silly conspiros who talk about that like its the easiest thing in the world will 1) never consider what our neighbors think of such a thing or 2) take me up on the offer of a wager...perhaps because you secretly know I will win?
You're not a Leftist, but just a conspiracy theorist without an ounce of critical thinking skills nor the desire to acquire them. Worse, you feel small, powerless, as helpless as a newborn...and get near sexual gratification from that feeling, and cannot understand why everyone doesn't feel the exact same way.
"Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy." -Sir Winston Churchill, British statesman (1874-1965)
There are so many examples
December 15, 2006 - 18:33 ET by Iconoclast421There are so many examples of this government torching the constitution, I can't believe you'd even pretend that it isn't happening. Just watch this clip: http://video.google....
Let's see you tell me I'm a liberal, because only good little conservatives surrender their 2nd amendment rights! Or make up some kind of excuse for why this happens, and then pretend like that somehow meshes with conservatives values!
And as far as the conspiracy theory goes... I'm sure people called the EU a conspiracy before it happened. I'll bet they were called liberals too...
"Worse, you feel small, powerless, as helpless as a newborn...and get
near sexual gratification from that feeling, and cannot understand why
everyone doesn't feel the exact same way. "
Oh this is brilliant. You wanna read my palm next?
New Orleans weapons confiscation
December 15, 2006 - 18:40 ET by dagdaYou are aware that this was found to be illegal and they were forced to give the weapons back. I agree with you that it was a violation of their rights. The chief of police no longer holds that job and others have been disciplined. You will remember that Democrats were in control of the city and the National Guard during that period. That would be liberal Democrats.
Our real problem, then, is not our strength today; it is rather the vital necessity of action today to ensure our strength tomorrow. Dwight Eisenhower
I was aware the chief had l
December 15, 2006 - 18:55 ET by sarcasmoI was aware the chief had lost his job (wristus-slappus minimis, IMO) but might you have any citations/examples of other officials involved actually being disciplined for this (or hell, any...) blatantly-antigun & anti civil rights event? And what sort of "discipline," anyway? I'm not so concerned at this point with whether the grabby officials involved were Democrat or Republican, but I'd be surprised if any of 'em, for example, paid an actual fine. One tale from an owner of returned firearms indicated improper handling/storage without any compensation, but I don't know anything firsthand about that, I'd need to look back where I saw it.
JMR
Discipline
December 15, 2006 - 19:10 ET by dagdaCannot say for sure that others were disciplined for this, but it appears that a large portion of the NO PD was disciplined or fired for one thing or another. Understood they got fines, days off, firing, etc. I do know that it was a big mess. Especially since they denied having taken the weapons to begin with.
Our real problem, then, is not our strength today; it is rather the vital necessity of action today to ensure our strength tomorrow. Dwight Eisenhower
Oh, come on, sarc? The NOPD
December 15, 2006 - 22:27 ET by UnsaneOh, come on, sarc? The NOPD had SERIOUS problems to deal with during Katrina! You know, like hassling old people and then berating and threatening reporters for having the AUDACITY to call them on it!
"Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy." -Sir Winston Churchill, British statesman (1874-1965)
You are completely ignorant o
December 15, 2006 - 22:43 ET by UnsaneYou are completely ignorant of history, I see. Not a surprise. The EU wasn't some grand conspiracy and was something that could have been derailed by the voters of respective European governments at any time. In fact, even the Europeans are putting the brakes on it: notice the rejection of the EU Constitution by France and the Netherlands in May 2005.
But before that, the Treaty of Rome and the Nice Treaty were signed by government leaders who were beholden to voters. Had the voters not wanted a European Economic Community (called the Common Market for a long time when I was younger), they wouldn't have voted for leaders who supported it. Indeed, not every European country has jumped in on the project. Norway is not involved in any way. Nor is Switzerland. Denmark, Britain and Sweden opted out of the Euro.
Therefore, just because we have a free trade agreement with Canada and Mexico, this does not mean that we are heading down the path of unity with them, and to hell with what anyone else says. You still have to get that past 130 million people who live outside of the United States, and try selling this idea in Ottawa and Mexico City and see the response you get. The next time you conspiracy theorists bring this up, you MAY want to look a bit more carefully at Europe, and think about how Ottawa and Mexico City would react very very carefully.
"Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy." -Sir Winston Churchill, British statesman (1874-1965)
see-through holes
December 14, 2006 - 21:12 ET by acumenSo just to set the record straight - do you just really hate Bush/Cheney or do you really, really hate Bush/Cheney? Feel free to go back to standing on your ledge while contemplating your degree of hated while I get back to something of more substance, like counting all the holes in Blackburn, Lancashire. Let's see, um, seems like I heard there were about four thousand or so, hmmm, all holes are hard to see, yet some are so easy to see through.....
what can possibly be of mor
December 15, 2006 - 18:35 ET by Iconoclast421what can possibly be of more substance than the ultimate crime of aggression?
drat!!!!!!!!!!
December 15, 2006 - 18:41 ET by misterbillOh, not another pseudo-intellectual! Why does KOS always send their rejects over to torment us?