In a special edition of MSNBC's Hardball College Tour former NBC Nightly News anchor Tom Brokaw went on diatribes against the President's war policy, comparing it to Vietnam, praised "rock star" Barack Obama, castigated "blatantly racist" Republican ads, charged Ronald Reagan neglected, "Mother Earth," and declared of the notoriously liberal Daily Show: "There are more facts and more truths told in the first eight minutes of The Daily Show than most political news conferences in Washington."
NBC's Campbell Brown filled in for host Chris Matthews as she teed up questions to Brokaw at Fordham University. The following are some of the more relevant rants from Brokaw:
First up Brown asked Brokaw to comment on Donald Rumsfeld and the President's Iraq policy allowing Brokaw to make the Vietnam comparison:
Brokaw: "The war has not been going well and Don Rumsfeld now has said that in a memo. 'We've got to change our strategy. Here are some things we have to start thinking about doing.' It is, that's reminiscent, a lot, for me, of Vietnam. I've listened to all the tapes of Vietnam, of Lyndon Johnson talking to Dick Russell, who is the great senator from Georgia and expressing these huge doubts about that wisdom of their policies in Vietnam, while saying to the public, 'things are gonna go well, we're gonna bring that coonskin home and tack, and you know nail it to the wall. We're gonna win this war.' Families continued to send their children off to the war. They were not gonna win the war. They knew it privately and, and kids were dying. I have friends who were in the Pentagon at that time. I was talking to one them just the other day and he said, 'we believed in the domino theory. We thought it was important to make the stand in Vietnam so that the rest of southeast Asia would not fall.' The neocons and Don Rumsfeld among them believed that they could introduce democracy in the Middle East in Iraq and it would have a radiant effect. And it's been pretty clear now for more than a year and a half that wasn't going well."
When the discussion turned to Democratic frontrunners Brown and Brokaw cheered Barack "The Rock Star" Obama but Brokaw feared Obama had a lot to overcome, notably those racist Republicans:
Brown to students: "How many Barack Obama fans to we have here? He's the rock star right now."
Brokaw: "He's a rock star. He's the real deal. And I think especially for this generation, a lot of his appeal has to do with his candor, that he is not playing by the old rules of politics. He's kind of redefining politics and what people want. He's talked about his own troubled past, his personal behavior. He has an ability to bring people together. He talks winningly about hope. Look at his background. He lived in Kansas, in Hawaii, he can go to Africa and be treated like royalty because his father comes from there. The test for him, obviously is and I've been at this a long time, put him on this stage with six other candidates coming after him about everything from Iraq to the economy to how to manage health care and what you're gonna do about stem cell research and what you're gonna do about gun control, what you're gonna do about drugs. And you've got to answer all that. You've got to have some positions. Howard Dean learned the last time that it's always not the best position to be in, in the cross hairs. So we've got a lot to learn about him yet."
Brown: "Let me ask you, though. Republicans are now using his middle name."
Brokaw: "Yeah."
Brown: "Hussein, which a lot of people don't know. I mean-"
Brokaw: "Well, they're teeing him up, because they, they see him as a real threat. I mean, a lot of people say we're not going to elect anybody named Obama in this country at this point. And let's be frank about it. This is a big reach for an African-American man to get elected President of the United States."
Brown: "You do think it's a- "
Brokaw: "Oh sure I do. Race is still a huge defining issue in this country. It's something I've spent most of my journalistic career trying to understand and to examine and to try to get us beyond that in the reporting that I`ve done. But I know at this point there are just a lot of people in their consciousness or their subconsciousness, that are going to have a hard time saying, ‘I'm prepared to vote for a black person.' There's just so much latent racism that is still here. We've made huge strides. There's no question about that. But we've got a ways to go. And he knows that. Look what happened to Harold Ford in Tennessee. That commercial that ran against him was so blatantly racist in my judgment, it was such an effort to try to twin him up with a white woman in some fashion and he lost. He couldn't, he couldn't make that work for him, his, his own rage about it. So, these are tough issues. But the big thing about Obama is that we still have got a lot to learn. He's the real deal. People who are for her, for Hillary, in Illinois, say quietly, ‘he's impressive.'"
Then Brown plugged Brokaw's Discovery Channel special on the environment which allowed Brokaw to riff on the dire problems that faced "Mother Earth," namely conservatives.
Brown: "We just saw a clip of your Discovery special on the environment, an issue that has long been near and dear to your heart, but not one that gets a lot of attention in the political arena."
Brokaw: "It's starting to again. I, you know, in, in the '60s obviously, it started to get a lot of attention. The planet and especially this country, we were letting the policies go crashing off the cliff and then we had Earth Day and environmental awareness and people were getting involved in it. My own strong impression is that the environmental movement got too spread out, there were too many groups that were not coordinating their activities in a way. And then with Ronald Reagan and the, and the conservative takeover of the, of the political arena at the national level, it's not high on their agenda. Although it is coming back very fast now. And I detect a real change in America. I think that this generation and other young people are paying a lot more attention to the environment, not just to global warming, but land use and disappearing water resources and what we're going to do about clean air. Bio-diversity is a huge issue, about wiping out the species. These are critical issues. You cannot live on a dead planet. This is the only one we have. My line is love your mother, Mother Earth."
Before the interview ended Brokaw roundly praised the notoriously liberal Daily Show and Colbert Report:
Brown: "And no cynicism, I think at least from you guys, at least from and the audience. We hear so much about the Jon Stewart, you know, Stephen Colbert young generation."
Brokaw: "Well but that's a good thing. The Jon, Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert get you back involved. You pay more attention to politics because of what you see with them. It's, you know, Jon always says-"
[applause]
Brokaw: "As you know, I'm a big fan. I've been on the show, both shows a lot, and I think anything that can you do to bring people into the discussion of it, and there's so many essential truths that you see on Jon Stewart and on Stephen, that it`s useful to society to have a broader point of view. There are, there are more facts and more truths told in the first eight minutes of The Daily Show than most political news conferences in Washington."
The following are more complete transcripts of conversations that occured on the October 4th edition of Hardball:
Campbell Brown: "To what extent are President Bush's hands tied, though, in foreign policy or, you know, on the domestic front, as well because his credibility took a hit? There are a lot of people in this audience and a lot of people who felt like the administration wasn't fully honest, certainly in the lead-up to the war and hasn't been about many of these issues. The Rumsfeld memo, being another example, they felt, of different things being said publicly than privately."
Tom Brokaw: "Well, his presidency's at stake. And he, he has to know that. I know his people around him know that. They've got a couple of years. This is a big indictment of him, the, the off-term election when you had both the House and the Senate go the way that it did. His disapproval rating has not moved much at all. The goodwill that he had based on his personality is dwindling as well. No one wants a president to be an utter failure. It`s not in the best interest of any of us. And he certainly doesn't want his presidency to be an utter failure. He bet his presidency on, on Iraq. It was a big, bold move. They thought that they could pull it off. There were a lot of skeptics. The military victory I always thought would happen as swiftly as it did. I did have concerns, having spent a lot of time over there before the war, about what would happen in a year or two years out. The tribal lines have always been very, very clearly drawn there. Even when Saddam was in power, he spent an awful lot of his power suppressing, for example, the Shia because he didn't want them to share power with the Sunnis. And the Kurds are sitting up in the north wondering, ‘When do we get our share of all that oil revenue?' So it's a complex situation."
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Brown: "And I want to continue a little bit with Iraq because tomorrow as you know, the Senate confirmation hearings begin for Bob Gates, the President`s choice to replace Donald Rumsfeld. First, talk about whether you think his confirmation is assured, but also what the change in personnel means in terms of the change in policy, the fact that he is coming from the circle that surrounded the President's father and their views, especially with regard to Iraq."
Brokaw: "Well, I think, I think he will be confirmed. I think they'll rough him up a little bit. I think they'll put him through the, through the Rumsfeld filter to see if, if he's gonna behave in the same way that Don Rumsfeld did. Rumsfeld is a brilliant, long-serving American public servant who seems to have lost his way in the last several years. He was in the minds of a lot of people that had to deal with him, pretty mono-focused on his point of view. He didn't want to hear other points of view, and he was confident to the point of arrogance that he could see this through on his terms."
Brown: "Were you surprised the President waited until after the midterm election?"
Brokaw: "Well, I think a lot of Republicans were not just surprised, but they were very unhappy. There were a lot of close races out there that might have gone to the Republicans if the President had announced in September that Don Rumsfeld was leaving. And so to have it happen the day after the election, they felt like they had been flim-flammed in some fashion. And for the President to say the week before ‘he'll be here through the end of my term,' we knew that Dick Cheney would be because he's been elected for it. But it kind of surprised me because I thought that there were other ways that you could answer that question. 'Don Rumsfeld will be here as long as he wants to be or whatever.' But there were lots of signs from the Republican Party that Rumsfeld had become a big liability out there politically. And you don't make these judgments just based on the politics of the moment. The war has not been going well and Don Rumsfeld now has said that in a memo. 'We've got to change our strategy. Here are some things we have to start thinking about doing.' It is, that's reminiscent, a lot, for me, of Vietnam. I've listened to all the tapes of Vietnam, of Lyndon Johnson talking to Dick Russell, who is the great senator from Georgia and expressing these huge doubts about that wisdom of their policies in Vietnam, while saying to the public, ‘things are gonna go well, we're gonna bring that coonskin home and tack, and you know nail it to the wall. We're gonna win this war.' Families continued to send their children off to the war. They were not gonna win the war. They knew it privately and, and kids were dying. I have friends who were in the Pentagon at that time. I was talking to one them just the other day and he said, ‘we believed in the domino theory. We thought it was important to make the stand in Vietnam so that the rest of southeast Asia would not fall.' The neocons and Don Rumsfeld among them believed that they could introduce democracy in the Middle East in Iraq and it would have a radiant effect. And it`s been pretty clear now for more than a year and a half that wasn't going well."
Brown: "We have a minute left before I have to take another break. But I want to get your take on media coverage, but also first NBC`s decision to-"
Brokaw: "Call it a civil war?"
Brown: "-to call this a civil war."
Brokaw: "Well, we had discussions at NBC about that. I don`t think this is a war by nomenclature, by the way. I think you can call it a civil war, you can call it anarchy. You can call it whatever you want. There`s too much death and destruction going on and too much chaos. My personal preference would have been, and we`ve had this discussion since then, to have had Matt come on, on Monday morning and say, ‘Is this a civil war? This is a big issue. Because it takes us to a whole other place in the political discussion. We're going to spend the next 48 hours here at NBC on Today, Nightly News, MSNBC, Hardball taking you through what are [sic] the definition of a civil war and what is the, what are the objective realities on the ground that tell us whether it's a civil war or not.' My guess is at the end of 48 hours, we would have said, ‘You've been watching us. I'm sure you probably agree with us it`s a civil war.' I think that the audience wants to be brought into this dialogue and debate, and I think they deserve to be. It's no longer just a matter of we talk, you listen. I think that would have been a helpful dialogue. Now I don`t have any problem with the declaration it's a civil war, because I've thought it was a civil war for at least six months now. We have that kind of sectarian violence that`s been going on in the name of trying to get political power. That's, that's a civil war."
—Geoffrey Dickens is the senior news analyst at the Media Research Center.















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brokaw himself is egotistical
December 5, 2006 - 13:41 ET by tumblerBrokaw has always been narcissist and self-absorbed. I could point out at least one glaring example. He thinks he was also a rock star.
One item I've had on my mind since Hannity interviewed Whoppy Goldberg the other night. It ties in with something Brokaw is blowing smoke about here.
"Race is still a huge defining issue in this country. It`s something I`ve spent most of my journalistic career trying to understand," --Sure; that's precisely how Whoopi posited race; "It's a HUGE issue, Sean!" Both she and Tom the Brain are absolutely wrong. If they had the substance, they'd place the blame for our miseries in America where it really belongs. RELIGION, FAITH in GOD is our huge issue, not RACE.
Our Christian faith teaches us that we are in COMMUNION with one another; we are COMMANDED by Christ to love one another. No Christian can hate his brother, whether of color or not. We have the spiritual charism of love; if only we believe in God. My own deep conviction on "race" is that we must love all our black brethren, our Asian and Caucasian, men or women. There is the HUGE issue; will we believe in God? Not what about his/her color or creed?
When has Brokaw said one exciting thing about FAITH? Or Whoopi, or Perky Katy?
George W Bush is lambasted for mentioning our faith in Jesus Christ! By foolish narcissists like Tom Brokaw and Bill Maher and Harry Reid, Ted Kennedy! (Now, there's a huge issue : How can we love THOSE neighbors? ----It's a tall order, Lord.)
Race is only an issue with li
December 5, 2006 - 13:55 ET by Dave RRace is only an issue with libs like Tom Lockjaw. Most of us in the real world have moved well beyond that by now.
As for Barack Hussein Obama, he has about as much chance of getting elected president as I have.
Brokaw: "He's a rock sta
December 5, 2006 - 14:03 ET by GalvanicBrokaw: "He's a rock star. He's the real deal."
Aren't those two sentences contradictory?
Brokaw: And I think especially for this generation, a lot of his appeal has to do with his candor, that he is not playing by the old rules of politics. He's kind of redefining politics and what people want. He's talked about his own troubled past, his personal behavior. He has an ability to bring people together.
In other words, he's Oprah.
Does Tom Brokaw really know what the 18-30 year olds want? And how is he redefinging politics? I've never heard him offer bup anythikng new.
Brokaw: " . . . he can go to Africa and be treated like royalty because his father comes from there. "
Well, then he gets my vote for President.
Brokaw: "The test for him, obviously is and I've been at this a long time, put him on this stage with six other candidates coming after him about everything from Iraq to the economy to how to manage health care and what you're gonna do about stem cell research and what you're gonna do about gun control, what you're gonna do about drugs. And you've got to answer all that. You've got to have some positions."
So Brokaw goes from "He's a rock-star and the real-deal," to acknowledging he doesn't know what Obama stands for. Maybe he's trying to prove Gwyneth Paltrow right.
Brokaw: " . . . And let's be frank about it. This is a big reach for an African-American man to get elected President of the United States."
Oh, I don't know. Colin Powell probably could have walked away with the Presidency in '96, but the GOP scared him off.
Brokaw: ". . .Race is still a huge defining issue in this country. It's something I've spent most of my journalistic career trying to understand and to examine and to try to get us beyond that in the reporting that I`ve done."
An admission of bias? Come on, Campbell, follow it up!
Brokaw: "But I know at this point there are just a lot of people in their consciousness or their subconsciousness, that are going to have a hard time saying, ‘I'm prepared to vote for a black person.' There's just so much latent racism that is still here. We've made huge strides. There's no question about that. But we've got a ways to go. And he knows that. Look what happened to Harold Ford in Tennessee. That commercial that ran against him was so blatantly racist in my judgment, it was such an effort to try to twin him up with a white woman in some fashion and he lost."
You mean it had nothing to do with the controversial reputation of Ford's political family? That's like saying the if Hillary Clinton runs for President and loses, the electorate is sexist, rather than acknowledging that her past (and her husband's) turned people off.
If Ford was white and lost, Brokaw would be telling us that it was because he was too open and frank about his religious faith, and talked about God too much. His defeat would be viewed as a repudiation of the Religious Right --- "Americans don't like to mix politics and religion."
But since Ford is black, he lost because of racism.
As for latent racism, I'd ask Brokaw to have a show where he interviews all of the African-American network news anchors in history, and ask them what they think.
"But I know at this poin
December 5, 2006 - 14:09 ET by misterbill"But I know at this point there are just a lot of people in their consciousness or their subconsciousness, that are going to have a hard time saying, ‘I'm prepared to vote for :
some fool who hasn't got the experience . Remember our experience with Jimmah Cahtuh??!!
Bwokaw is supposed to be retired and here he is trying to create a candidate for president based on what??? Answer-He is photogenic.
Brokaw
December 5, 2006 - 14:21 ET by chinesearithmeticBarama's the rock star, the real deal? A rock star is Brokaw's idea of the real deal?
Certainly NBC can call Iraq a civil war, just as I can call the press a fifth column.
A rock star is Brokaw's ide
December 5, 2006 - 15:04 ET by dervishA rock star is Brokaw's idea of the real deal?
But of course -- this is all nostalgia for the good old days of Clinton, only Barama happens really to BE black.
It's a saying, a catch phra
December 5, 2006 - 15:07 ET by balboaIt's a saying, a catch phrase. Slang.
More like a vague selling poi
December 5, 2006 - 15:21 ET by tracheostomyMore like a vague selling point. Look at the audience. It's an age old strategy. Tell enough people that someone is famous and they'll believe he or she is famous. Just ask Kevin Federline.
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Racism
December 5, 2006 - 15:34 ET by cvgbuckeyeI can't fathom just how long it is going to take for the American people to catch onto the BLATANT RACISM of the left, the democrats and especially people like Brokaw, in the MSM.
The reason that they fawn over people like Obama, is that they just can't believe that any minority can be as intelectual as he is. So when they see someone like him, they feel that he is a rarity, so they feel obligated to raise him to the status of sainthood.
They have ALWAYS done this and it is shameful. Then for all of the psychologists out there, liberals project their racism onto everyone else. Liberals are ALWAYS thinking that they are in a desperate death struggle to prove that they are the most compassionate, unbiased and non-racist person on the face of the earth.
You could give somebody like Brokaw a lie detector test about his racism and I swear that he would pass it because he and all of his ilk are on such a GIANT WHITE ANGLO SAXON GUILT TRIP (and insisting that every other white person on the face of the earth join them) that he is totally oblivious to his plight.
If anyone is interested in reading more about this democrat, liberal racism, they can do so by reading some of the 1960's writings of William F. Buckley, Barry Goldwater and sadly enough the turncoat Pat Buchanan.
The racism tag has been misapplied to Conservatives for far to long but will probably never be set right due to the total control of the media by the liberals.
I gave up years ago. People are just blind to it.
The reason that they fawn o
December 5, 2006 - 15:39 ET by balboaThe reason that they fawn over people like Obama, is that they just
can't believe that any minority can be as intelectual as he is.
Soooo wrong. Untrue.
balboa's right. That's not the reason,
December 5, 2006 - 15:44 ET by tumblerThe reason why is that Obama is a Liberal Democrat who happens to be black; and he's articulate. This equates for them as a "rock star." If he were Republican, he'd be the Tom sitting alongside Condy Rice.
But Dems in fact are racist in their own ways. And they project it on us.
I just don't get the media's
December 5, 2006 - 17:35 ET by paperheadI just don't get the media's fascination with Obama. I mean what has he done to deserve it? Keynote speaker at the '04 convention isn't enough for the nomination in my opinion. I wish someone in the media would compare his accomplishments to that of Condi Rice, someone who has actually had to deal with foreign policy first hand.
Maybe they see great potent
December 5, 2006 - 17:49 ET by balboaMaybe they see great potential, both as a candidate and an eventual office holder?
How?
December 5, 2006 - 18:06 ET by UnsaneHow? Name a single piece of legislation he has sponsored over the past two years. And he is the junior Senator from IL, and he hasn't even finished a third of his first term yet!
"Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy." -Sir Winston Churchill, British statesman (1874-1965)
You'd have to ask them that
December 5, 2006 - 18:10 ET by balboaYou'd have to ask them that. I don't know. Perhaps that performance at the convention -- and others elsewhere -- leads people to believe he can be a leader of the people. I don't know. I don't know enough about him at all to judge, I'm just guessing.
While I disagree with most
December 5, 2006 - 15:28 ET by blogonatorWhile I disagree with most of what Brokaw had to say, his comments on Iraq gave me pause. Over these past weeks, I've lost faith in this administration. It began with Rumsfeld stepping down after the election rather than before. Bush had expressed so much confidence in him all the way up to the election - yet he deemed it necessary to accept his resignation? That may very well have cost us the election. Then there's the adament "we're winning the war" and "it isn't a civil war" statements, yet last week Powell called it a civil war and today Rumsfeld's replacement declared that we are LOSING the war in Iraq. Powell may be motivated to sell a book in the future, but what about Gates, the incoming Sec of defense? If anyone had made such a declaration a month ago, they'd be labeled a traitor. Either the situation in Iraq has turned 180 in the past 4 weeks, or we've been misled... which is why Brokaw's Iraq sentiments made me stop and think.
Brokaw
December 5, 2006 - 17:08 ET by chinesearithmeticCould you link me to where he said we were, as you case it, LOSING? Newsweek said we were losing, but that was just their wishful thinking. My understanding was that "not winning" was conceded.
Brokaw
December 5, 2006 - 17:16 ET by chinesearithmeticPowerline noted Yahoo News' misleading headline regarding Gates saying we were losing.
My correction - he said wer
December 5, 2006 - 17:28 ET by blogonatorMy correction - he said were not winning the war, which I took to imply we are losing it (a reasonable deduction). Click the top video link on the left of this story.
Ignoring Mother Earth--BS
December 5, 2006 - 17:03 ET by nkviking75When the environmental movement hit the scene in the early 70's, it did have some positive effects. It caused our society to think more about the way we treated the "ecology" (the environmental buzz word back then). While America does not have a pristine environment, we have cleaned up our act a great deal. And much of the improvement came from private industry reacting to public concern.
Unfortunately, environmentalism has also given cover to a lot of junk science and alarmists, as well as a small cadre of nutjobs who use it as justification for domestic terrorism. They pressure the government to act recklessly based on bad science. Conservatives have held back a lot of foolishness. We'd be regulated to the eyeballs of liberals were allowed to run amok on these issues. We already are highly regulated.
What little I admired Brokaw
December 5, 2006 - 17:52 ET by ammo johnWhat little I admired Brokaw before now, it's completely disappeared now. And I thought he was the better of the 3 networks when I USED to watch them back in the 80's! Disgusting!
There are, there are more f
December 5, 2006 - 18:08 ET by balboaThere are, there are more facts and more truths told in the
first eight minutes of The Daily Show than most political news
conferences in Washington."
To which Jon Stewart would probably reply, "There are? Our show? You do realize we're on Comedy Central."
Brokaw
December 5, 2006 - 18:58 ET by pocomocoBrokaw: " . . . And let's be frank about it. This is a big reach for an African-American man to get elected President of the United States."
I find this comment both racist and sexist. Why didn't he mention black women. Probably because there is a black woman, if she runs, has a very high chance of becoming president.
Sorry, Tom, but your frankness does not compute.
Brokaw
December 5, 2006 - 19:29 ET by pocomoco(and furthermore)
I have always been suspicious of news people who interview one another. It turns into a back-slapping, Mutual Admiration Society interview, especially if one is hyping a book.
Awhile back, Brokaw went on a tour throughout the media to hype his book. I understand it was an excellent book. But during the interviews, one would have thought that they just discovered a new Shakespeare. It was nauseating.
“There are more facts a
December 5, 2006 - 20:17 ET by awffp1890“There are more facts and more truths told in the
first eight minutes of The Daily Show than most political news conferences in Washington.” I take it that is his “fair and balanced”
opinion? Irresponsible statements like
that are the reason most of us don’t trust the mainstream media.
brokaw is a walking talking e
December 5, 2006 - 20:18 ET by buddycbrokaw is a walking talking example of what is wrong with this country.
Brokaw is an elite leftist.Br
December 5, 2006 - 20:48 ET by bigtimerBrokaw is an elite leftist.
Brokaw is the live definition of shite.
I could not watch the show.
"Once the coffers of the federal government are opened to the public, there will be no shutting them again." - Grover Cleveland
Brokaw is the live definitio
December 5, 2006 - 23:54 ET by balboaBrokaw is the live definition of shite.
Oh come on! You know, there's a lot of rhetoric on this site, but how ridiculous is a comment like this? Tom Brokaw is a decent man who's done some great things over his career. Comments like this are pointless.
Brokaw is full of Shi'ite!
December 5, 2006 - 23:57 ET by Free StinkerI think she meant to say "Brokaw is full of Shi'ite!"
But I could be mistaken.
FS....That would be what I me
December 6, 2006 - 00:07 ET by bigtimerFS....That would be what I meant...thanks!
Btw boa....Brokaw is another meddlesome elite over-rated leftist empty suit with an agenda.....I detest everything about him with such a passion you could not possibly understand.
"Once the coffers of the federal government are opened to the public, there will be no shutting them again." - Grover Cleveland
Wow. That's a lotta rage ther
December 6, 2006 - 00:16 ET by balboaWow. That's a lotta rage there. Focused on a retired news anchor.
Hmmmmmnnn
December 6, 2006 - 00:21 ET by Free StinkerBal - I think that word is spelled 'retarded' not 'retired' :-\
Hardy har har...
December 6, 2006 - 00:23 ET by balboaHardy har har...
Not my best work, but it will
December 6, 2006 - 00:24 ET by Free StinkerNot my best work, but it will have to do.
boa...you think this post is
December 6, 2006 - 00:26 ET by bigtimerboa...you think this post is rage?... Surely you jest....you know better that that.
LMAO!
"Once the coffers of the federal government are opened to the public, there will be no shutting them again." - Grover Cleveland
Well it ain't rational though
December 6, 2006 - 00:28 ET by balboaWell it ain't rational thought, either.
LMAOEM!! ILRAOTF, KFOAIG!!! LOLOLOL!!!
You must be still upset I cau
December 6, 2006 - 00:37 ET by bigtimerYou must be still upset I caught you in the web I spun for you just the other night about what you would of done if you were a passenger on that plane with the Imam's..... and Blonde got you with the next post with the Hail Mary pass!
Poor baby!
"Once the coffers of the federal government are opened to the public, there will be no shutting them again." - Grover Cleveland
Brokaw--it's good that you're
December 6, 2006 - 04:06 ET by Andrew H.Brokaw--it's good that you're gone. Now if you'd just stay away. Repeating dem talking points is so easy, so boring and so untrue.
Never relent.