Amid all of the media excitement of NBC’s choice to grandly pronounce the ongoing violence in Iraq a “civil war,” some (like MSNBC’s Keith Olbermann) are gleefully touting NBC’s editorializing as a “Walter Cronkite moment,” referring to the then-CBS Evening News anchor’s 1968 editorial declaring that the U.S. had become “mired in stalemate” in Vietnam.
In their desire for a U.S. retreat in Iraq, journalists had previously pronounced Cindy Sheehan’s protesting in Crawford, Texas and Democratic Congressman John Murtha’s calling for a withdrawal of troops to be “Cronkite moments” of the Iraq war, each time apparently hoping that the weight of the media's pessimism finally forces a change in U.S. policy.
This morning I stumbled across a piece written about a year ago by Editor & Publisher’s Greg Mitchell for CBS’s Public Eye, theorizing about whether Murtha’s anti-war declarations would be the “Cronkite moment” of Iraq. Mitchell gently suggested that the idea that Cronkite’s editorial was a key turning point in public opinion on Vietnam might actually be a myth:
Those who claim that it created a seismic shift on the war overlook the fact that there was much opposition to the conflict already. In fact, the late Sen. Eugene McCarthy was about to drive President Lyndon Johnson into retirement.In the meantime, I’ve done a quick and dirty search of Gallup poll results, producing some interesting hints.
They show that the percentage of those who felt the U.S. made a mistake in sending troops to Vietnam jumped from 41% to 47% in October 1967, four months before Cronkite’s moment. That climbed a bit to 49% in a poll completed just before his TV talk in February. It then dipped one point in the next poll (early April), then shot up to 53% in August. But in April 1970, the number stood at 51% — only two points higher than the last pre-Cronkite epiphany poll.
Another question from Gallup yielded a more dramatic result. Asked in early 1968 if they viewed themselves as hawks or doves, the number of hawks dropped from 58% in February (pre-Cronkite Moment) to 41% in April. Proof at last! But hold on. In the same period, those who said they “approved” LBJ’s handling of the war jumped from 32% to 42%.
So perhaps Cronkite’s effect on Main Street has been wildly overstated — but that doesn’t mean he didn’t cause tremors in newsrooms, in the military, in the White House and on Capitol Hill. Perhaps someday, the same will be said of Rep. Jack Murtha’s “Cronkite Moment.”
As for NBC, they could have just begun to introduce the phrase “civil war” in their Iraq reporting — although there’s still a strong case there is no “civil war” so long as Iraq’s unity government continues to include major Sunni, Shiite and Kurd factions, and the phrase misleadingly buries the ongoing attacks directed at U.S. forces, attacks fomented by outside terrorist forces, and the random gangsterism that also continues in Iraq.
Instead, NBC and MSNBC went all out yesterday to tout their change in terminology as a major moment in Iraq, plainly hoping to get the attention of others in the media as well as the public. Sounds more like activism than journalism.
—Rich Noyes is Research Director at the Media Research Center.




















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Vietnam
November 28, 2006 - 11:25 ET by iveseenitallJust as in Vietnam, our brave soldiers are dying while the next generation of "Cronkites" root for their demise. How anyone could say they are not anti-American is beyond me. While they enjoy all the freedoms America has fought for over the years, they do all in their power to bring it to its knees. Walter Cronkite may be a journalistic icon to his buddies at the cocktail parties, but to me he's part of the scum we call the MSM. Despicable.
NEVER,NEVER trust a liberal
apparently hoping that the we
November 28, 2006 - 12:00 ET by blingbling65apparently hoping that the weight of the media's pessimism finally forces a change in U.S. policy.
Why would we want a change in Iraq? The media just doesn't get it, we love to watch American solders come home in bodybags and the crying mothers and wives makes for good TV
But the best part is knowing that the bill for the Iraq war won't come do for years, by then the war profiteers will be long gone, the country won't even remember their names.
Its a win win for everybody
we are making a change
November 28, 2006 - 12:12 ET by tumblerDear bling,
We are making a change in Iraq. It sometimes requires sacrifices. Does the media believe in making sacrifices? Isn't the media in fact, exploiting the war, just as any other profiteer, for ratings? Many good Americans would gladly pick up the bills for all the changes; if only we were rid of our hypocrites on the Left, always 2nd guessing. Second-guessing never changed anything.
Seems to me that actively l
November 28, 2006 - 12:04 ET by balboaSeems to me that actively looking for or trying to create another "Cronkite moment" is much akin to labeling every great young basketball star as "the next Jordan." Usually you're wrong, but everyone wants to label any potential broadcast as such, just in case it is.
I do not care what any journa
November 28, 2006 - 12:31 ET by sembyI do not care what any journalist says about anything - it means nothing to me - most Americans know that these junkyard journalists are political - why are they doing this - why do they want us to leave before the job is done - why do they want us to go down in defeat - why?
Well, they are friends with Kofi Annan, Clinton, liberals idiots alike and they want this country to get a bruiser and to be embarrassed so that we never do this again - defend ourselves against regimes that want to nuke us.
They are not experts, they are clueless and yes very dangerous too!
semby...Normally I agree with
November 28, 2006 - 12:36 ET by Clear thinkersemby...
Normally I agree with you on a number of issues, but on this one I differ. The majority of Americans still get their news from the liberal MSM and end up beleiving what they are told, so it is my opinion that most Americans don't know, or don't want to know, how bias the media is.
Do Liberals understand what's at stake? Let's find out, go here... http://newsbusters.org/node/9253
So let me get this straight -
November 28, 2006 - 12:33 ET by deus_ex_machinaSo let me get this straight - after months of Newsbuster posts complaining about negative Iraq stories in the media pushing the public to sour on the war you're now saying that this notion about the media's ability to turn public opinion on a war is a "myth"?
dues ex
November 28, 2006 - 12:54 ET by SportPoliticsI took it as an outline on how their new "wording" is going to flop.
It seems to me that NBC flopped by picking an arbitrary moment. Not like there was some kind of Tet Offensive to rest their big lie upon like Cronkite did. I'm not sure how the press was back then, but it seems to me that the Cronkite moment was a changing point in press characterization, yet now we have a constant drumbeat of discouragement and lies and omissions, and this latest "we can finally call it civil war under our Monday morning judgements we now have announced" is just weak crap.
So, the influence isn't discounted, just the recent flabby tactic and failure to link the defeatist phrasing to some "turning point" lie. This modern press took their Cronkite moment a long, long time ago, at the "Museum" looting.
So, hopefully now, your brain let you "get this straight".
darn double-clicking....
November 28, 2006 - 12:34 ET by deus_ex_machinadarn double-clicking....
I loved Walter Kronkite
November 28, 2006 - 12:40 ET by Carl KolchakI loved Walter Kronkite and consider him a great ally.
Sincerely
General Giap
http://www.jfednepa.org/mark%20silverberg/measure_nation.html
Checkout this quote from the above link.
"In the end, American support for the Vietnam War faded. Giap admitted in his memoirs that news media reporting of the war and the antiwar demonstrations that ensued in America surprised him. Instead of negotiating what he called a "conditional surrender," Giap said they would now go the limit because America's resolve was weakening and the possibility of complete victory was within Hanoi's grasp."
my only regret
November 28, 2006 - 12:46 ET by tumblerHaving surveyed all the mighty efforts in journalism made by Walter Kronkite on behalf of the Viet Cong;
I only regret he wasn't moved to pour a gasoline crock over himself and light the match in front of the cameras. THAT would be my favorite "Kronkite Moment".
Keep in mind it was the NVA he supported
November 28, 2006 - 12:51 ET by Carl KolchakKeep in mind he wasn't supporting the Viet Cong, because they had essentially been wiped out during the Tet Offensive. Only the NVA was left to fight after that. The Tet Offensive was the turning point in the Vietnam War, and it was a military disaster for Giap. The turning point in the American Civil War was Gettysburg. So saying Giap won the Tet Offensive, would be about the equivalent of saying the South won the Battle of Gettsyburg.
"Fourscore and seven years ago..." Abraham Lincoln
and it was a military disas
November 28, 2006 - 13:08 ET by Jack Bauerand it was a military disaster for Giap
Almost 40 years on and it's still pretty shocking that Kronkite hasn't publicly apologized for his brazen lies. Being a bleeding heart liberal means NEVER having to say you're sorry.
I wonder if the contemptible old shit feels a scintilla of responsibility for his part in Year Zero and the death of 2 million Cambodians?
Proud member of the all-powerful and vast
militarist/industrialist/capitalist/zionist-bagelist complex
Jack, you have to realize how the MSM operates
November 28, 2006 - 13:36 ET by Carl Kolchakand the death of 2 million Cambodians?
Jack you have to remember, Pol Pot practiced left wing political thought, and the left wing MSM doesn't ever like to say anything bad about those who practice left wing political thought.
"There's blood in the streets, it's up to my ankles" 'Peace Frog'
An MSM maxim
November 28, 2006 - 14:43 ET by UnsaneNOTHING BAD EVER HAPPENS on the Left. Remember that.
"Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy." -Sir Winston Churchill, British statesman (1874-1965)
The Big 3 just doesnt exist anymore
November 28, 2006 - 13:47 ET by Tidy Bowl ManThe power that Cronkite had in the early 70's for disseminating information just doesnt exist anymore. There are so many more news outlets now that individually they dont wield that kind of power as they did back then. Now it is the concerted effort of almost all of the MSM. But even with their concerted effort they still have a hard time getting past the common sense of the American public.
My question to the " bri
November 28, 2006 - 14:19 ET by inquiringmindMy question to the " bring 'em home now crowd" is, what then? Obviously Iraq would fall further into sectarian fighting if we left and the fighting won't end until one side crushes all of the others. Their best hope is for us to stay and help stabilize the country and give the budding Democracy a chance.
This is where we ( the voices of freedom around the world) need need to take a stand. If we relent and pull out and leave Iraq to Iran and Syira to divide up the entire world will be fighting a bigger war in 20 years. And nuclear wepons will be used in that one.
The best "Cronkite momen
November 29, 2006 - 07:52 ET by The Real TonyThe best "Cronkite moment" for me is when this old liberal, champion of mass killing and insulting his home country, drops dead. Then, all we will have to endure is a week or fawning "tributes" and he can rot in Hell.
Fight Terrorism at home - defeat a liberal!