I actually have a soft spot for Good Morning America's Robin Roberts, finding her among the most even-keeled of the morning news show hosts. But again this morning she evinced a tendency to get star-struck in the presence of a big name, and wound up lavishing praise on Jimmy Carter and his book, Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid, which depicts Israel as a second-rate South Africa from the bad old days.
Roberts actually began with what amounted to a DNC disclaimer:
"Now to your book, which many people find surprising, that you come down a little hard on Israel and that there have been key Democrats who have distanced themselves a little bit from your view on Israel. In fact, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi [jumping the gun there just a tad, Robin] said it is wrong to suggest that the Jewish people would support a government in Israel or anywhere else that institutionizes ethnically-based oppression and Democrats reject that allegation vigorously. What is your response to that?"
Carter replied by claiming that he has spent the last 30 years trying to find peace for Israel and its neighbors, but adding "you can't find peace unless you address the existing issues honestly and frankly." Translation: it's all Israel's fault.
Carter then patted himself on the back: "I think the most important step toward peace for Israel was when I negotiated a peace treaty between Israel and Egypt in 1979."
Carter then went off on this Israel-bashing spree:
"There is no doubt now that a minority of Israelis are perpetrating apartheid on the people in Palestine. This occupation and confiscation and colonization of land on the West Bank is the prime cause of the continuation of violence in the Middle East."
Really! So Sunni is slaughtering Shia in Iraq over Israel's intransigence? Who knew? And not a word from Carter about the Camp David meeting at which Israeli PM Barak offered Arafat 97% of the land he had demanded. Not only did Arafat refuse the offer, he didn't even deign to make a counter-proposal.
Continued Carter:
"What is being done to the Palestinians under Israeli domination is really atrocious. It's a terrible affliction on these people."
Timidly and haltingly, Roberts did try to respond: "Some would say by electing Hamas, the Palestinians are in effect, kind of, the reason why there is a sumbling block for peace."
The vainglorious Carter: "I was there and the Carter Center was in charge of the election. . . And there hasn't been one day of substantive negotiations between Israel and her neighbors in the last six years. So you can't say that the election of Hamas interfered with any sort of peace effort because no peace effort has been going on. And the prime choice by the United States and Israel of an interlocutor that was known as a voice of moderation, that is, Abbas, was chosen as prime minister when Arafat was there and for three years he was not called upon to negotiate and then when he became president he still hasn't been called upon to negotiate. So there is no effort being made in the Middle East at all to bring about an accommodation between Israel and the Palestinians."
Translation: repeat after me - it's all Israel's fault.
That's when Roberts caved, with this fawning goodbye: "President Carter, always optimistic, and your book reflects that. I know the Carter Foundation, you are trying to find world peace and this book is part of that."
Right. If your definition of peace is the elimination of a viable Israel.
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Why can't the msm (Lsm) leave
November 27, 2006 - 11:17 ET by FastEdWhy can't the msm (Lsm) leave Cater rest in peace? Oh, he's still alive? Have a peanut mr. pres, wash it down with some Billy Beer.
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad
Jimmy's problem is that not o
November 27, 2006 - 11:31 ET by GalvanicJimmy's problem is that not only was he too naive to understand the world his Presidency had to deal with back then, but even that naivete is grossly dated and obsolete.
Carter then patted himself on the back: "I think the most important step toward peace for Israel was when I negotiated a peace treaty between Israel and Egypt in 1979.
Apples and oranges. The continual state of war that existed between Egypt and Israel --- even if it wasn't always "hot" -- was crippling the economies of both countries. Egypt recognized Israel's sovereignty, for one thing. The land in dispute --- the Sinai --- provided ample distance between the two populations areas. US security assurances in the Sinai --- in no small part in the way of a US infantry battalion as observers between the forces ---- allowed the IDF to withdraw mostly back to Israel. Additionally, both Israel and Egypt received more US foreign aid --- principally for their armed forces --- which allowed the IDF and particularly the Egyptian military to modernize a lot of their weapons systems. That aid made those countries the #1 and #2 recipients of US aid.
Palestine is another case. One, as far as I know, the current government -- controlled by Hamas --- does not recognize the state of Israel. For another, not only are the population centers very close to each other, but the land in dispute --- the West Bank --- is adjacent to the city most coveted by both sides: Jerusalem. And a third point: Egypt had economic potential; Palestine does not.
And speaking of the West Bank, it's apparent from Carter's comments which side he takes in the dispute.
Carter
November 27, 2006 - 11:37 ET by Gordon SchumwayJimmuh,
There is no Palestine. There are no Palestinians. Those who claim to be are vagabonds and gypsies who were thrown out of Jordan. Jordan doesn't want them. Egypt doesn't want them. Syria doesn't want them. I don't want them either.
My favorite "Palestinian" story was when Yassir Arafat was kept waiting to see President Clinton at the White House while Mr. Clinton was being blown by Monica Lewinsky. El Rushbo opened his show the next day with a musical dedication for Arafat... Sam And Dave's "Hold On... Cause I'm Comin'".
Gordo
Melmac
Carter
November 27, 2006 - 12:03 ET by iveseenitallJimmy Carter was the worst president in my lifetime. Clinton was a close second.
NEVER, NEVER trust a liberal
Carter did so much to help th
November 27, 2006 - 12:30 ET byCarter did so much to help the middle east.All good rapport was destroyed by bush, the worst and most embarassing leader in our history.
"No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we all are accomplices."
E. Murrow
I agree President Carter is a
November 27, 2006 - 12:33 ET by Dan The Man 2I agree President Carter is arguably one of the worst if not the worst leader in recent history.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark. -- save my gun, shoot a liberal.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
November 27, 2006 - 12:53 ET by UnsaneHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Never read Guests of the Ayatollah, have you???
neohayes, look up 4 November 1979, find out what happened on that day, and find out who was President that day.
"Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy." -Sir Winston Churchill, British statesman (1874-1965)
While your at it. look up whe
November 27, 2006 - 13:02 ET by Dave RWhile your at it. look up where that raghead was nursed back to health, and at whose urging.
Careful. You may no like what you find.
90 were held hostage. Of cour
November 27, 2006 - 16:52 ET by90 were held hostage. Of course we blame carter.
2000 dead americans in Iraq- Whos to blame?
is our popularity and rapport in the middle east better now?
surely you must be joking.
"No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we all are accomplices."
E. Murrow
"2000 dead americans in
November 27, 2006 - 16:58 ET by MightyMouth"2000 dead americans in Iraq- Whos to blame?"
I blame dimwit naive poloticians like Jimmuh and Bubbya and their brain dead followers like you.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
ditto
November 27, 2006 - 17:00 ET by misterbillditto
We dont blame President carte
November 27, 2006 - 17:04 ET by Dan The Man 2We dont blame President carter for letting the hostages get taken by the Iranian revolution, we blame him for his gross incompetence. It was a simple matter of freeing 90 embassy hostages and he took over 400 days and did practically nothing but talk. Carter was a talker, but thats all he did was talk. It took a real leader like Regan who said give us our people or else. Just one simple statement that they understood.
President Bush is not responsible for the dead the terrorists are. The President is responsible for keeping the USA there as he is for keeping any troops anywhere. The troops recognize the danger and accept it as part of thier job. The job of keeping the free world free and safe.
Who gives a shit about being popular when you are dead. The USA wasnt popular before this what makes you think we will be after this or if we capitulate because of weenies like you? Being popular did not stop the terrorists from attacking us prior 911 so why should it stop. The countries who hated us then hate us now and will continue to hate us afterwards no matter what the outcome.
God forgive him for he is a weenie.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark. -- save my gun, shoot a liberal.
We dont blame President carte
November 27, 2006 - 17:22 ET byWe dont blame President carter for letting the hostages get taken by the Iranian revolution, we blame him for his gross incompetence
and who are you going to blame for the incompetence from Bush?? did you vote for him?
they let them go the day reagan took office as a slap in the face to carter.
"No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we all are accomplices."
E. Murrow
President Bush freed a nation
November 27, 2006 - 17:31 ET by Dan The Man 2President Bush freed a nation from Saddams tyrany, freeing a nation is much more than 90 hostages. We may have made a few mistakes but not many and the mistakes were made becuase of many factors including the MSM pounding on him every chance they got. Making mistakes is part of life and learning from them is also part of life. I voted for President Bush 2 times and proud of it.
I wish President Reagan would have slapped President Carter but he instead resigned himself to rectifying the problem at hand. Then he started correcting the economy he inherited.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark. -- save my gun, shoot a liberal.
bush
November 27, 2006 - 22:14 ET by gjgil82Making mistakes is part of life and learning from them is also part of life.
It's pretty damn difficult to learn from mistakes you are unwilling to acknowledge. Bush and his administration have yet to honestly admit any mistakes. They just cannot find it within themselves to admit to something that is so genuinely human.
It's pretty damn difficult to
November 27, 2006 - 22:15 ET by Free StinkerIt's pretty damn difficult to learn from mistakes you are unwilling to acknowledge.
Is that why you keep voting Demoncrat?
d
November 27, 2006 - 22:27 ET by gjgil82In case you are as blind as you are stupid, I was referring to the BUSH administrations failure to admit failure on anything. Who I vote for is irrelevant. Tell me I am wrong about his.
You are wrong on this.Would t
November 27, 2006 - 22:30 ET by ChemicalOperatorYou are wrong on this.
Would this be like Pelosi admitting she was wrong for nominating Murtha? Or Pelosi admitting she was wrong about Hastings?
You are so tunnel visioned on hating Bush, that you cant see the world around you. Its a dangerous position to be in.
This nation will remain the land of the free only so long as it is the home of the brave.
d
November 27, 2006 - 22:33 ET by gjgil82How am I wrong on this? You are the one who cannot see the world around you. Give me one honest admission of mistakes made by the Bush administration. Just one!
Failure to secure the US sout
November 27, 2006 - 22:38 ET by Free StinkerFailure to secure the US southern border.
d
November 27, 2006 - 22:40 ET by gjgil82Nice try. I want a genuine admission of a mistake made, not an admission of getting caught with your pants down.
Very few of us here stick up for
November 27, 2006 - 22:42 ET by Free StinkerVery few of us here stick up for Bush(43)'s failure to secure the southern border.
But I will just bet you defended everything Clinton ever did. :-p
d
November 27, 2006 - 22:44 ET by gjgil82Wrong again. Didn't even vote for Clinton in 1996 because of certain policy decisions. Try again. I'll return in the morning.
And don't go away angry . . .
November 27, 2006 - 22:45 ET by Free StinkerAnd don't go away angry . . .
She voted for Mary Cal Hollis
November 27, 2006 - 22:46 ET by ChemicalOperatorShe voted for Mary Cal Hollis, the Socialists party nomination. Fits more with her policy decisions.
This nation will remain the land of the free only so long as it is the home of the brave.
PDMP
November 27, 2006 - 22:48 ET by Free StinkerLOL! I would have guessed the People's Democratic Moonbat Party ;-)
count me in on that one
November 27, 2006 - 22:45 ET by terrigOne thing that annoys the heck out of me is the failure to secure the Southern Border. It drives me absolutely nuts!
If he had done that the right
November 27, 2006 - 22:47 ET by ChemicalOperatorIf he had done that the right side of this country would have retained the congress hands down.
This nation will remain the land of the free only so long as it is the home of the brave.
That is a genuine admission o
November 27, 2006 - 22:42 ET by ChemicalOperatorThat is a genuine admission of a mistake.
Out of curiousity, did you ever demand an apology from clinton for the mistakes he made?
This nation will remain the land of the free only so long as it is the home of the brave.
I would have to say this one
November 27, 2006 - 22:41 ET by ChemicalOperatorI would have to say this one too.
This nation will remain the land of the free only so long as it is the home of the brave.
Anything else we can be of assistance with?
November 27, 2006 - 22:37 ET by Free StinkerTell me I am wrong about his.
You are wrong.
Anything else we can be of assistance with?
d
November 27, 2006 - 22:39 ET by gjgil82Details, you stupid
Temper, temper.Watch it with
November 27, 2006 - 22:43 ET by Free StinkerTemper, temper.
Watch it with the potty mouth, child.
Look at that anger, your more
November 27, 2006 - 22:44 ET by ChemicalOperatorLook at that anger, your more mad than rosie o'donell at a male strip club.
This nation will remain the land of the free only so long as it is the home of the brave.
Do you kiss your momma with that mouth?
November 27, 2006 - 22:46 ET by terrigI think you need your mouth washed out with lifeboy. It's always funny to me that libs can only use bad language because they don't know any other adjectives besides the f word. Guess they slept through English class. Perhaps that's why you're so angry as a group all the time.
Its a defensive trigger, when
November 27, 2006 - 22:49 ET by ChemicalOperatorIts a defensive trigger, when they realize they are being outdebated they turn to personal insults and foul language to distract and angry the other debater until the debate is so degraded no one can tell who won. Stay on topic and it drives them nuts.
This nation will remain the land of the free only so long as it is the home of the brave.
d
November 28, 2006 - 06:17 ET by gjgil82I'm back and I only used the f-word because you refuse to give me details, and you refuse to stay on topic! All I want is record of ONE instance of "we made a mistake" by this administration and you can't do it! All you do is DEFLECT, call me a liberal gasbag, and then talk about Nancy Pelosi???!? Please!
gjgil82 stop whining please, you left wing fool...
November 28, 2006 - 06:40 ET by SportPoliticsgjgil82 stop whining please, you left wing fool...
WAPO Staff Writer
Monday, April 24, 2006; 4:39 PM
Bush Admits Mistakes in Iraq, Defends TacticsRemarks Come at Immigration Forum
President Bush today said mistakes were made in planning for the Iraq invasion]
OK, so are you done having your ignorant sissy fit ?
________________________________________
NOW I WANT AN EXAMPLE OF SLICK WILLIE ADMITTING HIS MISTAKES, AND LYING ABOUT SEX DOESN'T COUNT.
d
November 28, 2006 - 15:54 ET by gjgil82"President Bush today said mistakes were made in planning for the Iraq
invasion, but he defended the troop level he ordered in the initial
strike, saying he would have committed the same number if given a
second chance." (From WAPO article)
So what mistake, exactly, is Bush admitting to? Here he says he would not have changed anything. That is not admitting to a mistake. As he says later in the article, "I'm getting down in minutiae." Which is to say he may admit to minor little details that could have been better, but none of this really amounts to more than lip service.
Clinton just admitted to mistakes on Chris Wallace's show a few months back. With regards to OBL, he stated that he tried and FAILED to get him.
gigi...Big difference.... Cli
November 28, 2006 - 16:00 ET by Clear thinkergigi...
Big difference.... Clintons mistake was no mistake, he failed on purpose!
Do Liberals understand what's at stake? Let's find out, go here... http://newsbusters.org/node/9253
d
November 28, 2006 - 16:07 ET by gjgil82Where is your proof for that?
Impeachment.
November 28, 2006 - 16:31 ET by bigtimerImpeachment.
Point, Set, Match.Quick and t
November 28, 2006 - 16:39 ET by ChemicalOperatorPoint, Set, Match.
Quick and to the point, I love it.
This nation will remain the land of the free only so long as it is the home of the brave.
wrong
November 29, 2006 - 15:59 ET by gjgil82I sincerely hope you come back to read this. The articles of Impeachment against President Clinton were for the Lewinsky scandal you imbecile! I wanted proof of Clinton having failed to get bin Laden on purpose, as you or someone else had suggested. Point, set, and match???!? Please, try harder than that.
Imbecile fits you perfectly g
November 29, 2006 - 16:22 ET by bigtimerImbecile fits you perfectly gigi.
Think Paula Johns and sexual harassment trial...okay.
Btw....Clintoon never did a thing but look the other way, stick his ugly finger in the wind to not defend this country time after time of being attacked by al Qaeda because it wasn't politically correct for him and his leftist party....
On top of that he is a rapist...Juanita Broderick ring a bell.
Clinton/Carter...the two worst Presidents in our history.
Clinton is a thieving (illegal political commie money) weakling, scaredy cat, slack-jawed impeached President...like it or not.
On top of that...a heck of a lot of people met their deaths knowing and being involved with the Clintons...just a fact...simple as that.
d
November 29, 2006 - 16:33 ET by gjgil82This is all hearsay, conjecture, and opinion. You still fail to offer any DEFINITIVE proof that Clinton purposefully failed to get bin Laden.
9/11 should be all the proof
November 29, 2006 - 16:36 ET by bigtimer9/11 should be all the proof you need gigi...9/11.
d
November 29, 2006 - 16:45 ET by gjgil82So, Clinton purposefully failed to get bin Laden, and your "definitive" proof for this is 9/11??? Are you high??!? To repeat since you fail to see, Clinton, in his interview with Chris Wallace, said that he went after bin Laden, and failed to get him. This was admitting to a mistake, something BushCo cannot and will not do. Your comment shows just how asinine you are.
What? Are you mad because
November 28, 2006 - 00:58 ET by UnsaneWhat? Are you mad because the government (not yet, anyway, and never, if I have any say in it) will not give your FREE COOKIES and a TALL GLASS OF COLD MILK before you go to bed? Are you mad because the government won't read you a bedtime story? Are you mad because the government won't tuck you into bed at night?
Do you need the government to refill your nursing bottle and change you?
(Us self-reliant ones neither need those things nor resort to anger when they aren't given...)
"Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy." -Sir Winston Churchill, British statesman (1874-1965)
d
November 28, 2006 - 06:19 ET by gjgil82I need you or anyone else to give me one instance of the bush admin. accepting that they up. It seems none of you have anything.
gjgil82 stop whining please, you left wing fool
November 28, 2006 - 06:37 ET by SportPoliticsgjgil82 stop whining please, you left wing fool...
[ Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, April 24, 2006; 4:39 PM
Bush Admits Mistakes in Iraq, Defends TacticsRemarks Come at Immigration Forum
President Bush today said mistakes were made in planning for the Iraq invasion]
OK, so are you done having your ignorant sissy fit ?
20 January 2009
November 28, 2006 - 11:16 ET by UnsaneOkay. Bush won't change you, tuck you into bed, read you a bedtime story, give you your free milk and cookies, and otherwise spoil and coddle you. This makes you VERY VERY ANGRY because that is ALL government is supposed to do for its citizenry. Feel better?
If you hate Bush so damn much, all you need to do is to not vote for him when he runs again in 2008!
Wait a minute...
"Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy." -Sir Winston Churchill, British statesman (1874-1965)
g
November 28, 2006 - 15:58 ET by gjgil82What an asshole you are! Where in any of this current thread do you pick up that I want Government to give me everything I want? Please cite specific statements in your response. I swear, some conservatives on this post come across as being such great debaters, and then go off on some wild tangent when a thoughtful response eludes them. I'm ready to be called a whining, stupid liberal now.
Someone got caught!
November 28, 2006 - 16:47 ET by UnsaneThank you for your kind compliments. Was it not you who hates the fact our military is involved in Iraq? Didn't you say you prefer them to be in Darfur, Chad, and Zimbabwe...what would be humanitarian missions? Haven't you demonstrated that you hate corporations later on, right here on this very thread?
Sounds like you are a Socialist to me, who thinks the Nanny States of Europe are the wave of the future. If you can't be honest about what you believe, I suggest you begin blaming yourself instead of me.
Or perhaps you are resorting to a profanity laden post with attempts to insult me because I caught you?
"Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy." -Sir Winston Churchill, British statesman (1874-1965)
g
November 28, 2006 - 16:52 ET by gjgil82You caught NOTHING! I asked you to cite from this specific post, not ones from before. And why are you so bent out of shape by profanity? I find some of the comments on this blog to be quite profane without the use of curse words.
gjgil82, We are not bent out
November 28, 2006 - 17:03 ET by ChemicalOperatorgjgil82,
We are not bent out of shape by profanity, It is of course the sign of an un-educated mind. Profanity just shows a complete lack of intelligence.
This nation will remain the land of the free only so long as it is the home of the brave.
lack of intelligence sometimes
November 28, 2006 - 19:10 ET by tumblerMore often obscene and profane words are a result of having no vocabulary. You can be very smart and yet make obscene statements. But a bad vocabulary makes you fall back on dirty language.
Well from seeing the depth of
November 28, 2006 - 19:34 ET by ChemicalOperatorWell from seeing the depth of the gjgil's post, We can draw the conclusion that the poster has not put much thought in the replys. Its a bunch of talking points and absurd statements. With no facts or constructive comments to add to a debate, I think its safe to say we are talking with a liberal who does not think for theirselves. Instead relys on DU, Huffington, or KOS to give them their thoughts.
When questioned about the statements posted, gjgil instantly turns to insults and attacks showing a lack of vocabulary and a lack of understanding of what they are talking about.
This nation will remain the land of the free only so long as it is the home of the brave.
Yeah, unlike SportPolitics
November 28, 2006 - 19:37 ET by BlameTheMediaYeah, unlike SportPolitics and Unsane, etc.
We can draw the conclusion that the poster has not put much thought in
the replys. Its a bunch of talking points and absurd statements.
Or you.
That was profounding deep. Th
November 28, 2006 - 19:50 ET by ChemicalOperatorThat was profounding deep.
This nation will remain the land of the free only so long as it is the home of the brave.
Cry all you want, but at leas
November 29, 2006 - 02:58 ET by UnsaneCry all you want, but at least I do my homework. And I definitely live in the realpolitik,Machiavellian world of foreign policy. Any bitter, caustic sarcasm eminating from me should be taken as a reaction to drowning in the bile of millions (hat tip to Meshuggah, "I") of Leftists...and a fair amount of suffocating, intense frustration.
"Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy." -Sir Winston Churchill, British statesman (1874-1965)
g
November 29, 2006 - 16:10 ET by gjgil82<When questioned about the statements posted, gjgil instantly turns to
insults and attacks showing a lack of vocabulary and a lack of
understanding of what they are talking about.>
You should be careful accusing me of not having a vocabulary or understanding, I am only emulating our illustrious, verbose, and intellectual commander in chief.
Well, at least you admitted i
November 29, 2006 - 17:24 ET by UnsaneWell, at least you admitted it. Attending Harvard and Yale are not easy things to accomplish.
What will you do with yourself on 20 January 2009, regardless of the election outcome, when Bush goes on home to Crawford? It is truly amazing to witness how such blind, intense hatred has consumed you to the point where you can barely think straight. Do you have a political philosophy of your own that is NOT based on the extreme hatred of certain individuals?
"Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy." -Sir Winston Churchill, British statesman (1874-1965)
d
November 29, 2006 - 17:37 ET by gjgil82In case you missed it I was being sarcastic.
Sure."Socialism is the p
December 1, 2006 - 03:54 ET by UnsaneSure.
"Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy." -Sir Winston Churchill, British statesman (1874-1965)
Too bad, you have been caught
November 28, 2006 - 20:35 ET by UnsaneToo bad, you have been caught. Unless your mind changes so frequently that your previous posts mean absolutely nothing. Which means you have zero spine, which means...why are you even here? Socialist!
Incidentally, I am not bent out of shape about profanity...some of my favorite movies are Full Metal Jacket and Pulp Fiction. What I am bent about is the fact that, just like any other Leftist, you have been adequately challenged and you can't hack it, so you resort to profanity as if it will somehow magically strengthen your argument. But it won't.
And what do you find profane out here without the requisite words? Eloquent defenses of a strong, proactive, realpolitik practicing America with a powerful military? Vociferous support of free markets and minimal government intrusion?
"Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy." -Sir Winston Churchill, British statesman (1874-1965)
I'm ready to be called a whining, stupid liberal now.
November 28, 2006 - 16:53 ET by misterbill"I'm ready to be called a whining, stupid liberal now."
I should hope so, foul mouth!
d
November 28, 2006 - 16:55 ET by gjgil82Why don't you go to church and pray for me!
Pray for you?
November 28, 2006 - 17:00 ET by misterbillGiggly I will do that. You can mock me if you want, but I will do that.
Pray? At this rate, you may
November 29, 2006 - 02:54 ET by UnsanePray? At this rate, you may want to cloister yourself in a monastery on his behalf...
"Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy." -Sir Winston Churchill, British statesman (1874-1965)
giggly "What an a**h*** you are!"
November 28, 2006 - 16:56 ET by misterbill"What an asshole you are!"
Giggly, in the eloquent words of PeeWee Herman,
"I know you are, but what am I?"
Quit the foul language...thei
November 28, 2006 - 16:01 ET by bigtimerQuit the foul language...their are other ways to express yourself with the same word...do you friggin' understand gigi?
g
November 28, 2006 - 16:54 ET by gjgil82Friggin?!? Quit being a wimp and say what you mean! What a bunch of pansies on this blog.
giggler
November 28, 2006 - 16:58 ET by misterbillI am ready to meet you in the parking lot. I will put on some clean depenz, grease my wheels and kick the tar out of you girly boy!
Translation: "I have not
November 28, 2006 - 20:41 ET by UnsaneTranslation: "I have nothing more to add on this thread. You guys and gals win."
"Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy." -Sir Winston Churchill, British statesman (1874-1965)
Incompetence
November 27, 2006 - 17:37 ET by misterbillRazey--cite the incompetence, then state your resolution to a few of the problems. Then explain how you will get it accepted by about 500plus Senators and Congressmen. If we agree with you, I will do a write in for you at the next Pres elections.
(As of now, you cannot find more than two bloggers here who agree with you.)
rhayes...just how many presid
November 27, 2006 - 17:45 ET by bassnduderhayes...just how many presidents in the past have allowed mortgage intrest rates to rise to 18% and most other loans, (cars, boats) rise to 21%? How many managed to cower enough before the islamist to allow them to confiscate the oil fields we developed and built, and cut the US off completely? How many allowed a US embassy to be invaded, citizens to be held hostage, and dident lift a finger? How many others cut military spending so much that even the Special Forces couldent train? The only training the military could do was once a year, for 2 whole weeks. Carter did all this in just 4 years. Just cowered deeper into his hole. Thats for starters...care to go on?
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
bassndude Don't mess me up
November 27, 2006 - 17:49 ET by misterbillbassndude Don't mess me up--the dems told me those were all good things to happen to us. I confessed some time back that I voted for that do-nothing wimp, traitor. He proved me to be a fool! A short while ago I sent an email to his supposed email site and told him that his recent behavior bordered on treasonous. Of course, I never got a response.
Sorry misterbill...one questi
November 27, 2006 - 17:59 ET by bassndudeSorry misterbill...one question tho. Bordered on treasonous? Bordered? I think he crossed that border sometime back. About 1976 I think.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
bassndude -polite
November 27, 2006 - 18:07 ET by misterbillBass I am sorry. I do not want to get bounced from the site so I did not say what I really felt about that ineffectual, little a$$ ki$$ing, cowardly, f***. But, again, he tricked me into voting for him so I guess I should just swallow my pride.
misterbill...dont swallow you
November 27, 2006 - 18:10 ET by bassndudemisterbill...dont swallow your pride, puke it up on the little castro loving commie....he likes to wallow with the commie pigs anyway...he should like it.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
How many managed to cower e
November 27, 2006 - 18:37 ET byHow many managed to cower enough before the islamist to allow them to confiscate the oil fields we developed and built, and cut the US off completely?
good thing we are back there where the oil fields are... we deserve to have them since we built them. That's enough reason to invade the middle east! tdf
I guess we should have invaded Iran. War is good for the economy and the military industrial complex. Maybe we'd get out of there with mission accomplished in less than it took for us to win ww2??
Razey--cite the incompetence, what has bush done with competence? Katrina??, going into war with phoney evidence??, his record on helping the environment??, no child left behind?? social security?? Bush's legacy for incompetence will go down in history in all history books, revised and unrevised! The largest debt, the gap between the poor and rich larger than ever, and creating another vietnam!
President Bush freed a nation from Saddams tyrany and left a vacuum for a huge civil war with more death and destruction than ever! Are things better now?? Is is safe to live in Iraq now??
maybe a generation from now the world will wonder how we believed that the reason for invading the middle east was not oil but terrorism? some even believed saddam was behind 911...what is the neo definition of gullible??
we wonder how germans believed the Nazis??
"While it's wrong to say that we invaded the country to take over its oil supply, Koppel writes in the Times, "the construction of American military bases inside Iraq, bases that can be maintained long after the bulk of our military forces are ultimately withdrawn, will serve to replace the bases that the United States has lost in Saudi Arabia. There may be other national security reasons that the United States cannot now precipitously withdraw its forces from Iraq, including the danger that the country would become a regional terrorist base; but none is greater than forestalling the ensuing power vacuum and regional instability, and the impact this would have on oil production....
"Perhaps the day will come when the United States is no longer addicted to imported oil; but that day is still many years off. For now, the reason for America's rapt attention to the security of the Persian Gulf is what it has always been. It's about the oil."
Noting arguments for many years about the importance of oil to our economy, Koppel observes, "If those considerations did not enter into the Bush administration's calculations when the president ordered the invasion of Iraq in 2003, it would have been the first time in more than 50 years that the uninterrupted flow of Persian Gulf oil was not a central element of American foreign policy."
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/15
And how about the Iran bungle? hmmm and the Iran bungle compared to the Iraq bungle?? comparing the two is like comparing Grenada to vietnam ...and didnt reagan and Rummy help saddam to keep Iran in check?? Don't we still have the receipts for his so called wmds?? tdf
"No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we all are accomplices."
E. Murrow
Katrina? Go cry to Gov. Bla
November 27, 2006 - 20:56 ET by UnsaneKatrina? Go cry to Gov. Blanco and Mayor Nagin.
The environment? THANK GOD Bush called Kyoto "fatally flawed" and took off the U.S. signature. I LIKE living in a First World country, neohayes. And I do so with zero guilt, unlike you.
No child left behind? Not enough server space on here for my complaints about education. Like hiring incompetent teachers!!!
Social security? Bush TRIED to have it partially privatized, which would have meant a better retirement for me. People like you THREW A FIT about it.
You are just going to have to accept that Iraq is undergoing a wave of sectarian violence just as Northern Ireland has. And you are just going to have to accept that foreign policy is a very adult game; it is NOT a contest for who gets to be prom queen, as you want it to be.
Also, you need to study a lot more geography and accept that Mideast oil goes to Europe, Asia, and your beloved Australia. Not much goes here because of the transit costs.
As for your accusation for who supplied WMDs to Saddam...guess who supplied the arms to Iraq? Not the United States. Why...France and the Soviet Union/Russia. Their tanks were T-72s, many of their fighters were MiGs and Mirages. Did we quietly back Iraq in order to keep the heat on Iran? Absolutely. Was there anything wrong with that? Well...when I was in elementary school and walked to class down the hallway every day, I would pass lockers with some stickers on them: the stickers were white, with the Stars and Stripes, with the words FREE THE HOSTAGES underneath. You tell me.
The full list of who supplied WMDs to Iraq will make you extremely uncomfortable, as it will make most Leftists extremely uncomfortable. The United States does not make the list. Sorry. But you'll parrot that line anyway, because you so enjoy being wrong and clinging desperately to myths...
"Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy." -Sir Winston Churchill, British statesman (1874-1965)
No child left behind? fortun
November 27, 2006 - 22:54 ET byNo child left behind? fortunately its done less harm than his screw up in iraq, but its still a disaster like his social security plan...any plans neos start, ends in disaster.
Environment-george has done a big 0 there also, but he sucessfully let the oil companies do a white house led campaign against the inevitable facts of global warming. It succeeded in duping (brainwashing) even somewhat intelligent neocons. Bush has succeeded in sending science back to the middle ages.
Also, Bush needs to study a lot more geography and accept the fact that he loves only the oil in the Mideast ...so he can sell it to Europe, Asia, and our beloved Australia. Not much goes here(only 5% but the oil companies still make a killing. Thanks for helping the good oil boys too) because of the transit costs.
"No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we all are accomplices."
E. Murrow
Your right there isnt enough
November 27, 2006 - 23:02 ET by ChemicalOperatorYour right there isnt enough server space on here to complain about your education
Edit: Rhayes edited out his post, therefore my post no longer makes sense.
This nation will remain the land of the free only so long as it is the home of the brave.
ChemO,Haysie does that alot..
November 27, 2006 - 23:20 ET by BlondeChemO,
Haysie does that alot....
The trick is to just post a word to prevent the edit function from working....then have at it. Personally, I am trying to refrain from posting to the trollish ones here...it's worked for about three days.
Not to worry, though, all of the rest of your posts make perfect sense....and anyone who's read hayse knows the little wombat's great bent for screaming "censorship", while self-censoring and editing to his heart's content.
The facts of global warming,
November 28, 2006 - 01:08 ET by UnsaneThe facts of global warming, huh? If it is a fact, explain the following in detail. Mentioning Bush, neo-anything, or oil companies, in your response, invalidates the answer:
1) If the Kyoto Protocol is designed to solve a GLOBAL problem called GLOBAL warming, why are China, India and Mexico, among others, exempt from it?
2) Why does the Kyoto Protocol do nothing to curb tropical deforestation, which provides 20% of greenhouse gas emissions?
3) Exit Glacier has been melting since 1780. What man-made event started the melting process back then?
4) San Antonio is a city that rarely gets snow, if ever. Warming shold make such an event impossible. Explain, then, why it snowed SOUTH and EAST of there for Christmas 2004.
5) Why did it snow in other snow-rare cities such as New Delhi and Lisbon in 2005-2006, and why did it snow in Johannesburg in July 2006?
6) Why was the world's hottest temperature set in 1922?
7) Why was the Arctic Ocean north of Barrow seen to be filled with icebergs as JULY 2004 ended???
Well?
And if you plagiarize me, at least have the courtesy to bold type or use quotation marks, okay?
Should we pass a law decreeing profiting by oil companies illegal, and punishable by the summary extermination of ALL of the oil companies' shareholders?
"Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy." -Sir Winston Churchill, British statesman (1874-1965)
Well...when I was in elementa
November 27, 2006 - 23:09 ET byWell...when I was in elementary school and walked to class down the hallway every day, I would pass lockers with some stickers on them: the stickers were white, with the Stars and Stripes, with the words FREE THE HOSTAGES underneath
so you were still a child under reagan with your military parents blaming carter for everything.!...now I understand where you are coming from unsane. Did you argue all the time with your liberal teacher and he gave you lower grades because of your warped logic passed down from your parents?
"No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we all are accomplices."
E. Murrow
ps. when does chemical imbalance ever make sense?
Shoo!
November 27, 2006 - 23:13 ET by Free StinkerShoo!
No, silly child, teachers arg
November 28, 2006 - 01:13 ET by UnsaneNo, silly child, teachers argued with me because of things FAR more important! Like pen-holding!!! Just to show how stupid teachers are, I went on to get a degree in a writing intensive subject, with honors!
Okay, so maybe not stupid, but VERY mediocre. And you wonder why I hold public school teachers in such contempt? (You are not helping their cause.)
Hate to say this, but my parents have nothing to do with this conversation. But whatever helps you to derail the conversation and deflect from your own failings as a critical thinker, or even as a debater...
"Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy." -Sir Winston Churchill, British statesman (1874-1965)
What a hoot rhayes
November 28, 2006 - 04:34 ET by SportPoliticsWhat a hoot rhayes. I believe Europe imports somewhere around 90% of it's oil needs from the middle east and islamic OPEC.
It's not US dummy, its THEM.
I love those idiots though, that cannot focus on any other nation except the USA. Everything ever said or done concerns them as to how it relates to the evil motives of the USA as they see it. Blinded to the entire rest of the world, except in the sense of how the USA might negatively affect some other nations or peoples, and only in a case as such, do any others exist.
Yes, you people are DERANGED, mentally incompetent, mentally ILL.
.just how many presidents i
November 28, 2006 - 19:39 ET by BlameTheMedia.just how many presidents in the past have allowed mortgage intrest rates to rise
You mean the President controls this? He can just say, "I allow the interest rate to now go above 18%" and it happens?
Hey, back in 1992 we had a pr
November 29, 2006 - 03:04 ET by UnsaneHey, back in 1992 we had a president who presided over the worst economy in the past 50 years. Or so I was told. Of course, just like that at 1200 EST on 20 January 1993, poverty ended in the United States, as every single human being in America was PERSONALLY fed, clothed, and sheltered by Mr. Greatthings for the next 8 years.
Or so I was told.
Then, on 20 January 2001 at 1200 EST, the gates of Hell opened and swallowed the entire world, destroying that perfect golden age single handedly created by Mr. Greatthings.
Or so I was told.
"Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy." -Sir Winston Churchill, British statesman (1874-1965)
rhayes
November 27, 2006 - 17:06 ET by misterbillRHAYES
A gentle blogger named Rhayes
One day took too many rays
His brain started boiling
His thoughts were all roiling
He's now in a liberal haze
One would conclude he (Hayes)
November 27, 2006 - 18:39 ET by Andrew H.One would conclude he (Hayes) actually believes we went to war for oil. Whoah.
Never relent.
AOH oil
November 27, 2006 - 18:42 ET by misterbillWe have touched on this before---any of my son's friends all think that oil is the reason we went into Iraq. God help the young. Thank you MSM, you lying *****s.
Mister Bill--they've probably
November 27, 2006 - 18:46 ET by Andrew H.Mister Bill--they've probably been fed that junk by teachers like Hayes. Bennish comes to mind. Make up anything that tears down this country to pass to the young in an attempt to birth another dumb-a** liberal.
Never relent.
One would conclude he (Hayes)
November 27, 2006 - 20:20 ET byOne would conclude he (Hayes) actually believes we went to war for oil
not as a belief but one of the 5 major reasons to invade this country with a buck a barrel oil.
"No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we all are accomplices."
E. Murrow
You neglect the fact we only
November 27, 2006 - 20:23 ET by ChemicalOperatorYou neglect the fact we only get 5% of our oil from Iraq. There would be much better targets to invade if it was solely for oil.
This nation will remain the land of the free only so long as it is the home of the brave.
You neglect the fact we only
November 27, 2006 - 20:30 ET byYou neglect the fact we only get 5% of our oil from Iraq
wow, chemical imbalance! consider how much cheap oil we could get for the next few years when we stabilize this civil war with a little help from our enemies...this oughta guarantee permanent residence in the white house for the bush family and their twins for the next few decades! Any chance of the 98% of scientists convincing the harm of excessiove carbondioxide will be extinguised by the excellent right hand arm of white house propaganda: Fox News!
cc: Howard's unbiased station
"No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we all are accomplices."
E. Murrow
We can get free oil from the
November 27, 2006 - 20:43 ET by ChemicalOperatorWow, ghayes
We can get free oil from the Gulf of Mexico (since its now allowed) and skip millions and millions in shipping. Why go to Iraq and get oil when it would be twice the cost by the time it finally got to the US?
Funny how you mention propaganda. You continue to mention 98% of the scientists convinced of global warming, where exactly is that figure? What article shows 98% of scientists supporting global warming? Cuz it sounds like your own whack job propaganda to me.
This nation will remain the land of the free only so long as it is the home of the brave.
We can get free oil from the
November 27, 2006 - 21:09 ET byWe can get free oil from the Gulf of Mexico
free so, it costs us 0 dollars?? all that profit for oil companies and better reason, we could invade Canada. Did Rush or Oreilly think of this brilliant idea??
(since its now allowed) and skip millions and millions in shipping. Why go to Iraq and get oil when it would be twice the cost by the time it finally got to the US?
hmmm, 25% of the worlds oil is from the middle east...wouldnt it be smart for our great oil barons to be involved in that treasure?? but of course how do we get oil from Iran? What oil companies are selling that cheap oil to us if we are getting 5% ...what source do you get that from or you listened to rush pull facts out of his rear end too??
Only 25% of the world's oil i
November 27, 2006 - 21:15 ET by UnsaneOnly 25% of the world's oil is in the Middle East? How about that? I knew there was a reason our oil comes from Canada, Mexico, Venezuela, Colombia, Ecuador, Nigeria, Angola, and other sources either within the hemisphere or near enough to it.
Logistics is a bitch, isn't it, neohayes?
Oh, and if some people would permit drilling in the Arctic National Petroleum Reserve - drilling that would take up a mere TWO PERCENT of the land area, according to National Geographic - we wouldn't even have to rely on them as much.
"Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy." -Sir Winston Churchill, British statesman (1874-1965)
buck a barrel oil. buck a
November 27, 2006 - 21:04 ET by Unsanebuck a barrel oil. buck a barrel oil. buck a barrel oil.
If that were true, the city I visited a few short weeks ago (Houston) would be destitute. But then, you refuse to back this up.
Let us say you are talking about extraction costs. Great. So, you have a barrel of oil right by the well-head you took out of the ground and it cost you a dollar. Then what? How do you intend to get it to port? How do you intend to get it from a port to a market or a refinery? Oh, and what about the equipment you needed to get to the wellhead? The geologists who told you to drill there? The roads and other ground transportation? The labor needed on site?
Oh, I forgot, neohayes. All of that is FREE, isn't it? Well, so much for your stupid "buck a barrel oil" nonsense you relentlessly will parrot anyway.
Once again, if this were 100% about the oil, why haven't we made Alberta the 51st state? Why ins't our Navy sinking any ship we don't like in the Gulf right now? Well?
"Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy." -Sir Winston Churchill, British statesman (1874-1965)
d
November 27, 2006 - 22:21 ET by gjgil82We went to war for oil, but not to actually "get" our hands on the supply. War disrupts oil supply, which raises the price per barrel, which raises gas, heating fuel, etc., which raises oil company profits. Follow the money and you can see that corporate america once again comes out the winner while the world loses.
A lesson for a hate-filled socialist, gjgil82
November 28, 2006 - 01:21 ET by UnsaneYou, my little Socialist, need a lesson. What would you have us do? Exterminate all of the Hyper Evil Rich Leeches (stop calling them "people", okay, gjgil82?)...that is, everyone making a dime more than you, and evenly redistributing their money among everyone on earth?
Besides, if I REALLY wanted to disrupt oil prices for all time, I wouldn't invade Alberta: I'd nuke Edmonton and Calgary. And the Athabascan Tar Sands. Tonight. Do you have ANY idea what that would do to the price of oil per barrel?
Of course, the only reason oil prices have gone up since 2003 is because of this secret cabal of Bush and the Hyper Evil Rich Leeches that run the Hyper Evil Oil Corporations. (Funny how you FEAR corporations more than government, but I am getting to that.) Not because of a booming global economy, not because of a Chinese population that is falling head over heels for the car over the bicycle (been to Beijing lately?), not because of a booming India, not because of the overall increased demand for oil all of this is causing. Nope! ALL because of war and a bunch of Hyper Evil Rich Leeches in a cabal. Sure.
And sure, oil is fungible, but fact of the matter is that most U.S. sources are close by. We COULD get Mideast oil but the transit costs causes most oil importers with any sense whatsoever to check with other nations like Nigeria, Angola and Norway FIRST before going that far overboard in the search for oil on the market. Logistics can be a pain in the ass, can't it?
You MAY want to look up the definitions of "supply", "demand", and "equilibrium" sometime. Actually, you may want to take an economics course sometime.
Why do you have this fear of corporate entities that are extremely democratic and as fragile as mayflies, but are oh so willing to turn over everything and anything to the State?
It's really quite simple. Corporations exist because people WANT to buy the products they produce. If there was no market for them, they would quite quickly go away. So people vote on them daily by purchasing the products they make. Additionally, ANYONE can own shares in a corporation, thus owning a part of them, and thus having a say in how they are run.
If you hate a corporation so damn much, why not stop buying from them? Why not buy influence in them - you can by purchasing shares in one, and it is quite legal - and change them from within? (Yes, maybe not one man alone can do this, but you can band together with others to do this, correct?) Or, why not set up your very own corporation that does things the way you would like to see them get done?
Here you are screaming about how corporations are the ultimate arbiters of evil, yet corporations have a extraordinarily long way to go to match the death toll at the hands of the other entity you blindly trust and want to turn over all of your economic freedom to - government. The benevolent tyrannies of Europe have so successfully stifled incentive and capitalism in general that those countries are rotting before our eyes. The more malevolent ones spill much blood in order to accomplish their twisted ends, and for your pleas they could care less. Whereas corporations merely take money to make go away, governments take another much more precious currency - blood. And in too many cases in history, they require lots and lots of blood to be removed from the earth.
gjgil82, I know you have an intense hatred of capitalism, and that the thought of people getting ahead in this world fills you with extreme anger, but could you PLEASE keep your hands out of my pocket and stop using the government as a means to steal from me?
"Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy." -Sir Winston Churchill, British statesman (1874-1965)
GJGIL82
November 28, 2006 - 05:01 ET by SportPoliticsgjgil82 , please explain to me OPEC cuts in production then, since the supply was going so much over demand that they had their little meeting and reduced output a month or whatever ago.
Now, a few hours ago they announced they will cut production again.
It would be nice if you actually focused on the group of nations that are driving oil prices up on a regular basis. When they fall below OPEC's wants, OPEC gets together with their price control group that is 40% or so of worldwide production and makes a downward adjustment to drive the prices higher again.
That's whom is doing it my dear. It would be nice though if you lefties let the USA drill, drill , drill.... but you won't, so you're only helping them, you do know that, don't you ?
which raises oil company pr
November 28, 2006 - 06:15 ET by Jack Bauerwhich raises oil company profits.
What's the problem with that?
Successful companies making profits is a GOOD thing. Profit is invested in jobs, research, development, people.
It's paid out to stock holders who've invested in the company, individual citizens, unions, pension schemes, et al
Yes, PROFIT is very good and necessary. Unless you think like a commie slash socialist weasel with sand for brains.
To dumb clucks like that "profit" is a bad thing. And we all know how well countries run by commie slash socialist wesels fare. Just look at Cuba and Zimbabwe.
Maybe mouthing sophomoric banalities and economic illiteracy about "profit" cuts it with the komrads in need of a shower and a job. But we all know it's childish craptrap and nonsense from people who refuse to grow up.
This topic is so relevant to this site as it shows how badly the average citizen is served by left-wing journalists who have a knee jerk antipathy to any suggestion that PROFIT is a fine and noble pursuit.
And therefore color the news coverage accordingly.
Proud member of the all-powerful and vast
militarist/industrialist/capitalist/zionist-bagelist complex
Ann Coulter said, hey, what
November 28, 2006 - 19:41 ET by BlameTheMediaAnn Coulter said, hey, what's wrong with going to war for oil?
I agree! Why do you think w
November 28, 2006 - 20:51 ET by UnsaneI agree! Why do you think we went into Kuwait in 1991? Absolutely that was about oil...and territorial integrity issues, but the Iraqi army was poised to swoop into Saudi Arabia at the time. Europe and Japan would have been screwed, and then the United States would have very few countries to trade with that had healthy economies.
This go-around is LESS about oil. Sure, it is a factor, but not the be-all and end all that the Left would have us believe. Again, the oil will just go to Europe, in the end. And to Asia...the United States would see little of it. If the United States wanted to engage in a war strictly for oil, MBTs would be rolling down the streets of Edmonton and Calgary.
"Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy." -Sir Winston Churchill, British statesman (1874-1965)
standard neo logic used when
November 29, 2006 - 02:47 ET bystandard neo logic used when they dont have an answer!
If the United States wanted to engage in a war strictly for oil, MBTs would be rolling down the streets of Edmonton and Calgary.
The Plans: Pentagon, State Department and "Big Oil"Greg Palast, writing March 17, 2005, for BBC News' Newsnight, reported that insiders at the U.S. Department of State related that there were two conflicting plans "setting off a hidden policy war between neo-conservatives at the Pentagon, on one side, versus a combination of 'Big Oil' executives and US State Department 'pragmatists'" on the other. "'Big Oil' appears to have won." [3]
Palast wrote that, "The latest plan, obtained by Newsnight from the US State Department was ... drafted with the help of American oil industry consultants." In fact, insiders told Palast, "planning began 'within weeks' of Bush's first taking office in 2001, long before the September 11th attack on the US."
According to Falah Aljibury, an "Iraqi-born oil industry consultant," Aljibury not only "took part in the secret meetings in California, Washington and the Middle East" but also "interviewed potential successors to Saddam Hussein on behalf of the Bush administration." Additionally, Aljibury "described a State Department plan for a forced coup d'etat."
Conflict arose as the "industry-favoured plan was pushed aside by a secret plan, drafted just before the invasion in 2003, which called for the sell-off of all of Iraq's oil fields. The new plan was crafted by neo-conservatives intent on using Iraq's oil to destroy the Opec cartel through massive increases in production above Opec quotas
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Iraq's_oil_industry
rhayes, please go back to Pla
November 29, 2006 - 02:56 ET by PeskyDanerhayes, please go back to Planet Kos. The rest of us here on Planet Earth are trying to have a reasoned debate, and not trying to twist ourselves into a conspiracy pretzel .
"The rest of us reside
November 29, 2006 - 03:00 ET by"The rest of us reside here on Planet neocon. We only allow folks that agree with us in our circle jerk... we don't need cheap oil and don't believe oil companies have anything to do with controlling the propaganda about global warming...we dont believe that oil companies controlled the the white house in regards to what was said about pollution!
We all live on a yellow submarine! tdf
"Iraq's oil was described June 10, 2003, as "the repository of hope for the United States-led alliance and the Iraqi people themselves. Money from oil, the George Walker Bush administration has said repeatedly, will drive Iraq's economic revival, which in turn will foster the country's political stability." [9] "
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"Instead of rosy promises by the neoconservatives of the Bush administration who pushed for the invasion — partly on the premise that they would turn it into America's private gasoline-pumping station — the contrary has occurred." [15]
neohayes, it really isn't my
November 29, 2006 - 03:10 ET by Unsaneneohayes, it really isn't my fault that I critically think while you won't. The oil companies don't pay me to critically think either.
Nor did the oil companies produce the list of questions you amazingly refuse to answer. But then, if you stopped to think about the questions, you would have to stop crying and thinking of ways to make the entire world as miserable as you are.
"Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy." -Sir Winston Churchill, British statesman (1874-1965)
Nor did the oil companies pro
December 1, 2006 - 02:07 ET byNor did the oil companies produce the list of questions you amazingly refuse to answer
because they are ridiculous questions...and you just cant refute that one of the major reasons we went into iraq was to continue to line the pockets of the bush family
" the US-UK companies expect eventually to overcome their rivals and gain the most lucrative oil deals that will be worth hundreds of billions, even trillions of dollars in profits in the coming decades ."
answer this question, insane, how many oil barons have died in Iraq??
There are no ridiculous quest
December 1, 2006 - 04:04 ET by UnsaneThere are no ridiculous questions. Only ones irritated by critical thinking think there are ridiculous questions.
And you just cannot prove that one of the major reasons we went to war in Iraq was to continue to line...ANYONE'S pocket. Nor do you want to. You believe it blindly and get angry whenever anyone calls you on it, because it is your intellectual security blanket.
But then, anything that prevents the United States from turning Socialist fills you with rage. You won't be happy until the oil companies and perhaps Wal-Mart are fully nationalized...
Say, here's a thought...what the hell are you doing in the United States if this country is so horrible? Why aren't you in Canada, where the health care is "free"? Oh, and they passed the Kyoto Protocol in Canada! (But they are very reliant on that thing you so hate more than anything: oil! But you could move to British Columbia, or Ontario...anywhere but Alberta or the Yukon...) Or in Britain?
"Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy." -Sir Winston Churchill, British statesman (1874-1965)
OK, Rhayes - as much as I am
November 29, 2006 - 03:37 ET by PeskyDaneOK, Rhayes - as much as I am going to regret it, I'm going to try to reason with you. First, I'm going to address some of your insulting remarks:
We only allow folks that agree with us in our circle jerk...
OK, putting aside any motivations you might have for joining a circle jerk, I am going treat this vulgar remark metaphorically to mean that you don't think we invite dissenting opinions here. The very fact that you are participating here would seem to contradict that. Seriously, what do you think the average life expectancy of your conterpart on KOS or DU would be? Come on, give an honest anwer to THAT one at least.
We could argue energy policy all day and not get anywhere. The fact is, that the United States is a global power. As such we project that power in order to guard our interests. Among those interests would be to keep our enemies at arms length. So far so good. If our goal is to keep the enemy in a state of disunity, and hamper his ability to launch another attack on our home soil, then we are going to continue to [gasp] stay the course.
While I have no special love for the energy companies, I remain unconvinced that there is some kind of weird cabal between the Family Saud, the CFR, the Trilateral Commision and the Bushes meant to destablize world markets and manipulate commodity prices.
or a haiku version....
November 28, 2006 - 04:42 ET by sarcasmoRhayes is a nut
and he called me "a neo"
unintended laughs.
JMR
So who is to blame for the 30
November 27, 2006 - 17:16 ET by NL207So who is to blame for the 3000 9-11 victims....
If you are trying to win a popularity contest with a collection of 7th century holy warriors and hope to retain anything of your freedoms as understood in the context of the classical liberal tradition of Locke, Rousseau, Madison, and Jefferson, then you are doomed to dhimmitude. The stated goal of these thugs is the imposition of a worldwide Islamic Theocracy. They want your freedom or your life. Which of these things are willing to surrender in order to be popular with them?
Surely you jest.
Oh really now, rhayes? That w
November 27, 2006 - 13:06 ET by bassndudeOh really now, rhayes? That why the arabs cut off the oil to the US? Because Jimmy was such a big star in the middle east? And how about the Iran bungle? We could go on, but you wont explain those. Good rapport indeed...I used to think you were just ignorant, and excused this stuff. But I know now, your stupid. And there is no excuse for that.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
yeah, "good rapport"
November 27, 2006 - 13:09 ET by tumblerThere was great rapport, with Yasser Arrafat. Stars in Jimmy's eyes; and even A Nobel prize. Um a poet & didn't know it.
Proof?There is no sense in be
November 27, 2006 - 13:25 ET by FastEdProof?
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad
FastEd... Here's an example
November 27, 2006 - 13:41 ET by Jack BauerFastEd... Here's an example of just how big an ignorant, evil prick (and I do use these seemingly inflammatory words judiciously) Jimmy Carter truly is.
In the early 1990's Sudan was a growing rat's nest of Middle East Islamo-terror groups that have exploded into what we can see daily in 2006.
Picking examples at random of what was happening in the Sudan
#1. Suicide bombings and mass murder in Israel plotted and planned.
#2. Attempted assassination of Egyptian President.
#3. Genocide against the Sudanese BLACK AFRICAN non-Muslims.
#4.Training camps for Iranian terrorists.
#5. Center for terror attacks in Ethiopia, and so on..
So in 1993 when the State Department finally listed Sudan as a terror sponsoring state, this is what Carter (to his damnable shame) wrote..
"They (State) declared Sudan a terroist training center without proof...I think it is to much of an inclination in this country to look at Muslims as inherently terrorist or inherently against the West. I don't see that..."
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What rhay meant to say...
November 28, 2006 - 08:08 ET by Sua Sponte 75I think what you meant to say before adjusting your asshat was……..
In Cambodia, Jimmy Carter and his national security aide, Zbigniew Brzezinski made an “untiring effort to find peaceful solutions” by initiating a joint U.S.-Thai operation in 1979 known as Task Force 80 which, for ten years, propped up the notorious Khmer Rouge under the all-purpose banner of anti-Communism.
In order “to advance democracy and human rights,” we have East Timor. This former Portuguese colony was the target of a relentless and murderous assault by Indonesia since December 7, 1975‹an assault made possible through the sale of U.S. arms to its loyal client-state, the silent complicity of the American press, and then-Ambassador Daniel Patrick Moynihan¹s skill at keeping the United Nations uninvolved. Upon relieving Gerald Ford (but strategically retaining the skills of fellow Nobel peacenik Henry Kissinger), Carter authorized increased military aid to Indonesia in 1977 as the death toll approached 100,000. In short order, over one-third of the East Timorese population (more than 200,000 humans) lost their lives due to war-related starvation, disease, massacres, or atrocities.
After the Nobel Committee announced that he would be the 2002 recipient for the Nobel Peace Prize, North Korea announced that it had cheated on an agreement - one which had been negotiated by the former president.
When Carter took office in 1977, he received a moderately growing economy in which inflation was 5.4 percent and interest rates were around 8 percent. When he left office, the Soviets were entrenched in Afghanistan, Iranian students had been holding US State Department personnel and US Marines hostage for 444 days, the American military had been gutted by the administration's post-Vietnam cutbacks, American prestige was in tatters abroad and inflation was in the double digits and interest rates were so high it was impossible for Americans to finance large purchases like homes and cars. Carter's administration is without a doubt the worst in modern American history, yet Carter himself blamed his failures on a "national malaise" (i.e. Americas fault) and a 21% inflation rate.
President Carter's crowning achievement was the Camp David Accords which returned the Sinai to Egypt in exchange for the end of a state of war between Israel and Egypt. While the accords ended a shooting war between the two countries, it is worth noting that the agreement was not even negotiated by the Americans. Carter's true achievement was to shift Egyptian attacks from direct conventional military strikes to direct support of unconventional attacks - a legacy which Israel still grapples with today.
He also ignored the deliberate starvation of millions of Koreans by the same dictator he'd brown nosed shortly before. Oh yes: he ignored the deliberate starvation in the Soviet Union, Rhodesia, Uganda, Ethiopia and several other world dictatorships, not to mention that the Koreans that he loves, were deliberately starving literally millions of "his friends", the innocent and disarmed common Korean peasant.
He responsible for the fall of the Shah of Iran to the Ayatola and the establishment of that Muslim dictatorship. He thought he solved it when he cut off the U.S. from their oil. He left it to become the terrorist capital without so much as a whimper. Jimmy Carter did more to aid the cause of radical fundamentalist Islam than any other president, first by not helping the Shah of Iran when Khomeni deposed him; second by doing nothing during the hostage crisis.
Of course, he wouldn’t want you to remember that he caused the skyrocketing price of gas. Remember gas lines blocks long while he was president? Another stupid, ignorant decision by Carter was to stop research and implementation of the reprocessing of spent nuclear fuel. The entire rest of the world does this and has been doing it safely for 30 years. But Carter, who incidentally lied about being a Nuclear Sub, only spent a few months on a training mission, bowed to the enviro-wackos of his time. The result, 30,000 tons of unused spent nuclear fuel. This decision by him was one of the most idiotic of all times and haunts us to this day. Now we have to consider the reprocessing of all of that or burying it for tens of thousands of years. It would have never been a problem if it was reprocessed into new fuel and been burned until the radiation was negligible.
He personally waged international financial war against South Africa and helped establish a regime with Nelson Mandela, a socialist who was a buddy of Libya's terrorist head of state, Muhmmar Quadafi, that has destroyed the economy there. South Africa now is the rape and murder capitol of the world thanks to him. His use of trumped up charges and "apartheid" destroyed the jobs of the Africans he thought needed "Liberation". You can read the results of his insane war on civilization in the article “Kill the Boer, Kill the Farmer”. His destruction of the only free capitalist society on the African continent is now resulting in the starvation of millions.
Pardoned ALL draft dodgers from Vietnam, nice slap in the face to those who did serve.
Gave away the Panama Canal.
And finally took a swing at a killer rabbit….you go boy.
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Ah, good old Failed Ex-Presid
November 28, 2006 - 08:45 ET by Free StinkerAh, good old Failed Ex-President Carter
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The MSM supports the troops. The enemy's troops!
Well said and thank you, Sua
November 29, 2006 - 08:22 ET by The Real TonyWell said and thank you, Sua Sponte!
Fight Terrorism at home - defeat a liberal!
I am looking forward to tak
November 27, 2006 - 12:31 ET by 1sttofightI am looking forward to taking a whiz on both their graves when they die.
hmmmm, a urinal for a grave m
November 27, 2006 - 14:19 ET by MightyMouthhmmmm, a urinal for a grave marker?.... I like it!
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Oh that's nice...
November 27, 2006 - 14:23 ET by balboaOh that's nice...
"Oh that's nice..."
November 27, 2006 - 14:25 ET by MightyMouth"Oh that's nice..."
And oh so convenient...
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I'm not sure I like this yell
November 27, 2006 - 15:33 ET by FastEdI'm not sure I like this yellow journalism or the direction of this stream of thought. You'd think you were the nyt, the way these ideas are leaking, all flushed with all wet thoughts.
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FastEd appears to be a poet
November 27, 2006 - 16:13 ET by MightyMouthFastEd appears to be a poet and don't know it. :-p
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Carter's been dead to me fo
November 27, 2006 - 14:26 ET by Jack BauerCarter's been dead to me for years.
Pee away, whiz kid!
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Gordon, I’m with you. I kno
November 27, 2006 - 19:39 ET by USA4freedomGordon, I’m with you. I know just the place for all dem poor suffering Palestinians. We will send them to Plains Ga. I would bet there is a nice peanut farm there that would love to house them. Well, until they blow up da hen house, den da out-house, den da tractor barn. But dammit the last straw was when they blew up the last of the Billy beer.
So tell me, Jimmuh (you giant among Pres.) You really think Israel is unfair? You are unbelievable. I would have a feeling that if some nice Palestinians were pulling up to the pizza shop in Plains, and blowing up most of you kin folk, you would still have them over for some chicken and mash. If only to show the world just how bad the US is and just how wonderful you are. Hey, just move to Europe with all the other American hating ass holes are. God forbid, you would keep your mouth shut like the ex-president should do. That’s quite a trick, to be utterly incompetent, and clueless, and yet get the Nobel prize for American hating.
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'AMERICA CAN'T DO A THING'
November 27, 2006 - 12:07 ET by 1sttofight'AMERICA CAN'T DO A THING'
by Amir Taheri
New York Post
November 2, 2004
November 2, 2004 -- AMERICANS will certainly have 9/11 in mind when they vote today. But they should keep another date in mind, too — one almost exactly a quarter-century ago: Nov. 4, 1979. A clear path runs to 9/11 from the day of the raid on the U.S. embassy in Tehran and the seizure of American hostages.
The 1979 embassy attack came at a time when the administration of President Jimmy Carter was trying to prop up the new Khomeinist regime in Tehran.
Carter had decided to support Khomeini in the context of the so-called "Green Belt" strategy developed by National Security Adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski. That strategy was based on the assumption that the United States and its allies were unable to contain the Soviet Union, then expanding its zone of influence into Africa, the Indian Ocean region and, through left-leaning regimes, in Latin America. To counter that expanding threat, Brzezinski envisaged the creation of a string of Islamic allies that, for religious and political reasons, would prefer the United States against the "godless" Soviet empire.
The second stage in Brzezinski's grand strategy was to incite the Muslim peoples of the Soviet Union to revolt against Moscow and thus frustrate its global schemes.
The Bzrezinski strategy had been partly inspired by Helene Carrere d'Encausse, who, in her book "The Fragmented Empire," predicted the disintegration of the Soviet Union as a result of revolts by Muslim minorities.
When the Islamic revolution started in Iran, the Carter administration saw it as the confirmation of its assumption that only Islamists could muster enough popular support to provide an alternative to both the existing regime and the pro-Soviet leftist movements.
The Carter administration went out of its way to support the new regime in Tehran. A ban imposed on the sale of arms and materiel to Iran, imposed in 1978, was lifted, and a 1954 presidential "finding" by Dwight Eisenhower was dusted off to reaffirm Washington's commitment to defending Iran against Soviet or other threats.
Also to symbolize support for the mullahs, President Carter initially rejected a visa application for the exiled shah to travel to New York for medical treatment.
Just weeks after the mullahs' regime was formed, Brzezinski traveled to Morocco to meet Mehdi Bazargan, Ayatollah Khomeini's first prime minister. At the meeting, Brzezinski invited the new Iranian regime to enter into a strategic partnership with the United States. Bazargan, concerned that the Iranian left might bid for power against the still wobbly regime of the mullahs, was "ecstatic" about the American offer.
The embassy raid came just days after the Brzezinski-Bazargan meeting in Morocco and, by all accounts, took Khomeini by surprise. It is now clear that leftist groups opposed to rapprochement with the United States had inspired the raid.
Khomeini saw it as a leftist ploy to undermine his authority. He was also concerned about the possibility of the United States taking strong military and political action against his still fragile regime.
Deciding to hedge his bets, the ayatollah played a double game for several days, waiting to gauge the American reaction.
According to his late son Ahmad, who had been asked to coordinate with the embassy-raiders, the ayatollah feared "thunder and lightning" from Washington. But what came, instead, was a series of bland statements by Carter and his aides pleading for the release of the hostages on humanitarian grounds.
Carter's envoy to the United Nations, a certain Andrew Young, described Khomeini as "a 20th-century saint," and begged the ayatollah to show "magnanimity and compassion."
Carter went further by sending a letter to Khomeini.
Written in longhand, it was an appeal from "one believer to a man of God."
Carter's syrupy prose must have amused Khomeini, who preferred a minimalist style with such phrases as "we shall cut off America's hands."
As days passed, with the U.S. diplomats paraded in front of TV cameras blindfolded and threatened with execution, it became increasingly clear that there would be no "thunder and lightning" from Washington. By the end of the first week of the drama (which was to last for 444 days, ending as Ronald Reagan entered the White House), Khomeini's view of America had changed.
Ahmad Khomeini's memoirs echo the surprise that his father, the ayatollah, showed, as the Carter administration behaved "like a headless chicken."
What especially surprised Khomeini was that Cater and his aides, notably Secretary of State Cyrus Vance, rather than condemning the seizure and the treatment of the hostages as a barbarous act, appeared apologetic for unspecified mistakes supposedly committed by the United States and asked for forgiveness and magnanimity.
Once he had concluded that America would not take any meaningful action against his regime, Khomeini took over control of the hostage enterprise and used it to prop up his "anti-imperialist" credentials while outflanking the left.
The surprising show of weakness from Washington also encouraged the mullahs and the hostage-holders to come up with a fresh demand each day. Started as a revolutionary gesture, the episode soon led to a demand for the United States to capture and hand over the shah for trial. When signals came that Washington might actually consider doing so, other demands were advanced. The United States was asked to apologize to Muslim peoples everywhere and, in effect, change its foreign policy to please the ayatollah.
Matters worsened when a military mission to rescue the hostages ended in tragedy in the Iranian desert. The force dispatched by Carter fled under the cover of night, leaving behind the charred bodies of eight of their comrades.
In his memoirs, Ahmad nicely captures the mood of his father, who had expected the Americans to do "something serious," such as threatening to block Iran's oil exports or even firing a few missiles at the ayatollah's neighborhood.
But not only did none of that happen, the Carter administration was plunged into internal feuds as Vance resigned in protest of the rescue attempt.
It was then that Khomeini coined his notorious phrase, "America cannot do a damn thing."
He also ordered that the slogan "Death to America" be inscribed in all official buildings and vehicles. The U.S. flag was to be painted at the entrance of airports, railway stations, ministries, factories, schools, hotels and bazaars so that the faithful could trample it under their feet every day.
The slogan "America cannot do a damn thing" became the basis of all strategies worked out by Islamist militant groups, including those opposed to Khomeini.
That slogan was tested and proved right for almost a quarter of a century. Between Nov. 4, 1979, and 9/11, a total of 671 Americans were held hostage for varying lengths of time in several Muslim countries. Nearly 1,000 Americans were killed, including 241 Marines blown up while sleeping in Beirut in 1983.
For 22 years the United States, under presidents from both parties, behaved in exactly the way that Khomeini predicted. It took countless successive blows, including the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center in New York, without decisive retaliation. That attitude invited, indeed encouraged, more attacks.
The 9/11 tragedy was the denouement of the Nov. 4 attack on the U.S. embassy in Tehran.
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This occupation and confisc
November 27, 2006 - 12:08 ET by Jack BauerThis occupation and confiscation and colonization of land on the
West Bank is the prime cause of the continuation of violence in the
Middle East."
Ex-President Jimmah Carter now occupies a piece of unholy ground where he rubs shoulders with a wide variety of anti-Semites and Jew haters.
All the usual islamo- and muslimo-nazis of course, like his thankfully dead pal Yassir Arafascist.
Carter must be so proud that he mouths garbage that would get a rapturous hearing at a Farakhan, Klan or Aryan Brotherhood meeting.
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This foreign policy genius is
November 27, 2006 - 12:10 ET by UnsaneThis foreign policy genius is talking about Israeli "apartheid"? The same guy who mused, in October 1979, if a certain embassy would be put at risk if he admitted the Shah into the country?
That's one book I can cross off my list...
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lou rukeyser said it best
November 27, 2006 - 12:14 ET by tumblerIt was Rukeyser once remarked about Carter's great gift of foreign diplomacy:
"Speak softly and carry a big peanut."
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"Speak softly and carr
November 27, 2006 - 12:22 ET by Jack Bauer"Speak softly and carry a big peanut."
LOL. That's funny.
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Big pile of Carter's little
November 27, 2006 - 12:20 ET by dervishBig pile of Carter's little books at an Alabama Costco this weekend, selling like horse droppings. Which makes sense, come to think of it.
What about the Gaza Strip, Mr
November 27, 2006 - 12:46 ET by GothampcWhat about the Gaza Strip, Mr. Carter? What about when the Jews left gardens and hothouses for the Palestinians, and the Palestinians came through and ripped them all up? Does leaving vegetable gardens and flowers sound like the Jews are engaging in apartheid?
To steal from Aldus Huxley,
November 27, 2006 - 12:51 ET by Jack BauerTo steal from Aldus Huxley, Carter is Clueless in Gaza.
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Carter is a Jew-hating bastar
November 27, 2006 - 14:15 ET by Mr. KafirCarter is a Jew-hating bastard. He brokered nothing between Israel and Egypt. Those two countries signed a peace treaty thanks to Sadat and Begin. The arrogant piece of shit gets most of his funds from the Saudis.
Sadat was treated well afterwards wasn't he
November 27, 2006 - 14:20 ET by Carl KolchakAnd Sadat was treated especially well afterwards wasn't he? I think they had a grand parade for him, and everyone participating in the parade was happy with what he had done.
"Well I got nothing against the press. They wouldn't print it if it wasn't true" 'Sunday Papers'
Carl -- that Sadat parade.
November 27, 2006 - 14:22 ET by Jack BauerCarl -- that Sadat parade. #1 with a bullet, I do believe!
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I think others besides Sadat were killed too
November 27, 2006 - 14:26 ET by Carl KolchakI think others leaders were there too and were killed or wounded also. I honestly wouldn't blame his assasination on Carter, but if something similar were to happen today, the left wing MSM would blame Bush.
"Well I got nothing against the press. They wouldn't print it if it wasn't true" 'Sunday Papers'
Carl -- yeah. It was the Mu
November 27, 2006 - 14:39 ET by Jack BauerCarl -- yeah. It was the Muslim Brotherhood. They're well organized in the US and have CAIR to support their "rights."
What I blame Carter and the enduring State Departrment ilk is this...
Perpetuating the myth that "talks" with the "leaders" of countries like Egypt followed by massive US pressure on Israel have any affect at all on the Islamo-nutjobs who only see one answer to concessions... MORE concessions from the barrel of their guns.
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That's the parade where they
November 27, 2006 - 14:29 ET by UnsaneThat's the parade where they honored Sadat with a multi-gun salute, yes?
"Rot in heavan, you're too bad for hell, rot in heaven, you're forgiven in hell!!!" - Suicidal Tendencies, "I Shot The Devil"
Jimmy Carter is a failed pres
November 27, 2006 - 19:09 ET by Andrew H.Jimmy Carter is a failed president. He failed because he wasn't a leader. He wasn't a leader because his thinking is wrong. He was and is wrong about most issues and inevitably puts America second to any other country he's working. He is the worst president this country has ever had to endure, including good time clinton--
We know what he's going to say before he says it about any issue when the issue involves this country. He is a true anti-patriot in the guise of a former president much to our eternal shame.
Never relent.
As usual, g, this site only a
November 27, 2006 - 22:49 ET byAs usual, g, this site only asks questions. They never answer questions especially about their saintly oil barons motivations for running the white house and its wars in the middle east and against science. Hang in there.
"No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we all are accomplices."
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haha, This coming from a guy
November 27, 2006 - 22:50 ET by ChemicalOperatorhaha, This coming from a guy whos party has no plan for anything.
This nation will remain the land of the free only so long as it is the home of the brave.
please no one respond to the troll
November 27, 2006 - 22:51 ET by terriglet's not feed the troll maybe he'll die and go away for lack of food.
So damn funny....
November 28, 2006 - 06:39 ET by Sua Sponte 75As usual, g, this site (including me by far) only asks questions (and ranting about non-existant blocking of 1 computer from NB). They never answer questions (unlike me who answers back with pure asshattery) especialy about their saintly oil barons motivations for running the white house and its wars in the middle east and against science.
Yep, your "answers" in your replies are just loaded with answers to questions, so if you are equating your asshat replies to actual answers to legitimate questions then I guess you do answer, in your own strange funny (not haha) way. Gods speed and damn the torpedos Asshat First Class.....
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I remember the Carter preside
November 27, 2006 - 23:33 ET by StonefingersI remember the Carter presidency. He was the last democrat I voted for for president.
I remember double-digit interest rates, massive inflation, gas shortages and rationing with its long lines at the pump and price gouging, and his wishy-washy non-response to the kidnapping of our citizens by Iranian militants.
Carter likes to take credit for brokering a peace deal between Egypt and Israel, but since Israel had kicked the crap out of them in 1967, Egypt wasn't eager for a rematch, and wasn't likely to re-engage militarily anyway.
Carter's "peace deal" was nothing more than a pr stunt that allowed Egypt to save face, after being embarrassed by Israel in the six-day war. So, we can write that "great achievement" off, too. For this, he gets the geopolitical equivalent of a Grammy award, the Nobel "Appease Prize."
For anyone to consider Carter qualified to broker anything more complicated than the building of a Habitat for Humanity house is insanity of the highest order, and while I do appreciate his involvement in that worthwhile charity, no one with any sense should think of him as an authority of any kind on domestic or foreign affairs, or pay him any attention at all...unless, of course, we want to listen to whatever he suggests we should do, and then do the exact opposite.
In the meantime, I'm going over to eBay, to find out what people might pay for an unopened can of "Billy Beer."
Carter and Korea
November 28, 2006 - 01:46 ET by UnsaneLet us not forget the wonderful Agreed Framework of 1994 that has left the Korean peninsula a nuke-free rose garden of peace and joy!
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Jimmy Carter and Roe vs. Wade Lawyer
November 28, 2006 - 04:44 ET byJimmy Carter is a fool. The man had Sarah Weddington as his "Assistance to the President:" http://www.weddingtoncenter.com/whitehouse.html. Need I say more? Except for that Sarah Weddington is who won the "Roe vs. Wade" case (The woman has the blood of countless dead unborn babies on her hands.) And, something else the main stream media has missed reporting is that Sarah Wedington was courted by a Texas Unitarian "Church" before she won that case. (The Unitarian Universalist "Church" is in tight with the ACLU.) If you want more info on these relationships, go to:
http://www.debrajmsmith.com/acluuuc.html. Debra...of... www.InformingChristians.com
LOL -TY DebraJMSmith
November 28, 2006 - 05:21 ET by SportPoliticsLOL -TY DebraJMSmith
I never knew that, it's amazing what I find out about Carter even today.
welcome... He sure has and st
November 28, 2006 - 08:16 ET bywelcome... He sure has and still does, live up to the word, "nut."
:)
Looney Wabbit Killer
November 28, 2006 - 07:21 ET by Sua Sponte 75For a definite "other side of the story", I have been reading some of Nonie Darwish (Arabs for Israel http://www.arabsforisrael.com/home.html). She really gives some insight and what makes it different is that she is an Arab Muslim. Some of what her group believes:
We are NOT:
We remember with deep sadness and respect the brave Arabs, known and unknown, who were killed or severely punished for promoting peace with Israel; a special thanks to President Anwar Sadat of Egypt who was killed at the hands of Militant and Radical Islamists after he signed the peace treaty with Israel.
We salute and commend Arab and Moslem writers, scholars and speakers, who found the strength, commitment and honesty in their hearts to speak out in support of Israel. We thank you for being the pioneers that you are and for holding such sophisticated and advanced views in the realm of Arab and Moslem thinking. You are inspiring us all.
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Jimmy Carter: American IdiotW
November 28, 2006 - 07:52 ET by The Real TonyJimmy Carter: American Idiot
When will this guy die? Good Christ Almighty, please take him now and give us respite from this curse.
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""Iraq has the worl
November 29, 2006 - 03:07 ET by""Iraq has the world’s second largest proven oil reserves. According to oil industry experts, new exploration will probably raise Iraq’s reserves to 2-300 billion barrels of high-grade crude, extraordinarily cheap to produce, leading to a gold-rush of profits for international oil firms in the post-Saddam era. The four giant firms located in the US and the UK have been keen to get back into Iraq, from which they were excluded with the nationalization of 1972. They face companies from France, Russia, China, Japan and elsewhere, who already have major concessions. But in the post-war setting, with Washington running the show, the US-UK companies expect eventually to overcome their rivals and gain the most lucrative oil deals that will be worth hundreds of billions, even trillions of dollars in profits in the coming decades." Global Policy Forum. "
The rotting EU, and Asia, and
November 29, 2006 - 03:16 ET by UnsaneThe rotting EU, and Asia, and your beloved Australia are much closer, so they will get the oil. We in the United States will be lucky to see a drop of it.
Logistics is a hard, painful subject to grasp, isn't it?
I am still waiting for your answer to the very simple question of why we aren't invading Canada if the war is only about oil. It's closer. It's plentiful. The logistical lines needed to capture it are MUCH shorter. And their equipment is fully up to date, unlike Iraq's.
(But I'm not holding my breath. Since you can't deal with that reality, you'll run to cry about something else; a skill you are very good at.)
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the US-UK companies expect
November 29, 2006 - 05:25 ET by Jack Bauerthe US-UK companies expect eventually to overcome their rivals and gain
the most lucrative oil deals that will be worth hundreds of billions,
even trillions of dollars in profits in the coming decades.
Excellent. This is great news. No problems from me. The fact that you want the US to have to pay through the nose for expensive oil is interesting though.
Typical socialistard
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