My antenna went up when Matt Lauer opened this morning's "Today" with these words: "Good morning. Civil war. A bloody weekend of sectarian clashes in Iraq and no sign it's letting up."
"Civil war"? I was certain I hadn't heard Today employ the term before. And sure enough, Lauer shortly thereafter declared: "For months the White House rejected claims that the situation in Iraq has deteriorated into civil war. For the most part news organizations like NBC hesitated to characterize it as such. After careful consideration, NBC News has decided the change in terminology is warranted and what is going on in Iraq can now be characterized as civil war."
Lauer later brought in retired Gen. Barry McCaffrey to make the case for the change in terminology.
Lauer: "Is the situation in Iraq a civil war or is it something else? Retired general Barry McCaffrey is a military analyst for NBC News. . . We should mention we didn't just wake up on a Monday morning and say let's call this a civil war.' This took careful deliberation. We consulted with a lot of people. You were one one of the people we talked to. Why did you weigh in on the side of calling this a civil war?"
McCaffrey: "I have been calling it a civil war, a low-grade conflict, for 18 months. Now it's on the verge of spinning out of control. We clearly, without question have massive levels of violence. Thousands are being killed each month. And it's a struggle without question between two factions -- in this case Shia and Kurds [sic, Sunni?] -- who have separate political agendas. It's a fight for power and therefore survival in the world the Iraqis expect to encounter after we withdraw which they now expect to happen in the next year or so."
Lauer: "I am going into the definition of civil war here. 'Must be at least two clearly-defined and unified groups,' and we talk about the Sunnis and the Shia. We have 'groups using violence as a means to gain political supremacy' and we've got not only a government in place that is unable to protect the Sunnis and Shia from each other but innocent civilians civilians as well. Any of that bother you in terms of the criteria?
McCaffrey: "No, not at all."
And later, Lauer: "The White House objects to the terminology that NBC News is now using, and here is part of the statement that they've released: 'While the situation on the ground is very serious, neither Prime Minister Maliki nor we believe that Iraq is in a civil war.' It goes on to say that 'the violence is largely centered around Baghdad, and Baghdad security and the increased training of Iraqi security forces is at the top of the agenda when President Bush and Prime Minister Maliki meet later this week in Jordan.'"
"What about that idea, General, that the violence is primarily centered in Baghdad, that the country hasn't erupted into all-out civil war?
McCaffrey: I think a lot of that is nonsense. Baghdad is 25 percent of the population of the country. It's the central battlefield."
Video of McCaffrey's "nonsense" comment here.
The MSM has experienced embarrassing episodes of premature declaration before, notably in Florida 2000. Is the case stronger here? Is this quibbling over terminology, or is there something larger at stake?
Note also Lauer's statement that NBC News consulted with "a lot of people," and that McCaffrey chose to "weigh in on the side of calling this a civil war." That seems to suggest that there was another "side" among people NBC consulted who took the opposing view. But Today never told us who they were or what they had to say.
Finkelstein recently returned from Iraq. Contact him at mark@gunhill.net
—Mark Finkelstein is a NewsBusters contributing editor and host of Right Angle. Contact him at mark@gunhill.net.



















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November 27, 2006 - 08:54 ET by allanfRetired General McCaffrey has been a critic of our military moves in Iraq since the start. No Doubt General Franks, who help architect a brilliant and short military campaign is none too pleased with McCaffrey.. McCaffrey's approach would have been more expensive, gotten more people killed, and probably not been any more successful.
Whether the word "civil war" is appropriate or not, it is clear that those who seek to use it, including NBC “News” do so with gleeful enjoyment and a goal of undermining US policy. It shows an arrogant disregard for the Iraqi government, which is in a better position to characterize the conflict in Iraq.
Te term “war” seems a bit theatrical since nothing more than small unit attacks are possible as long as the United States is in Iraq. If ne believes filling a car with explosives and detonating it among innocents is "war" and not "terrorism' than one can call it a “war”. But it is no more of a “war” than the “war on drugs”, or “war on poverty”.
More important than the term “war" is the reckless and arrogant disregard NBC News shows for the Iraqi people. This is like yelling "fire".
Now it's on the verge...
November 27, 2006 - 09:37 ET by SportPoliticsMcCafferty : " Now it's on the verge of spinning out of control."
Well, since it hasn't spun out of control yet, it's not a civil war.
Let me know when it "spins out of control", and the present government disintegrates. Then you can call it civil war with my agreement.
If the several factions are "fighting for control", what kind of control are you talking about ? Certainly their fighting isn't going to gain them seats or a Prime Ministership, is it ?
If you're talking about "control of a city" or a "portion of the Sadr slums", well then when Fallujah was occupied by insurgents, or when any other citywide area was under seige for the same, it was "vying for control then" as well, wasn't it.
Since Pakistan cannot control all of it's land, and it is rebuffed in " Bin ladens hiding areas along the border" - is it in a civil war, at least a times, as well ? They fight along sectarian lines there, too. Also happens in Afghanistan, the sectarian lines of fighting.
I guess since " it's on the verge" still, you're on the lie seat still McCafferty.
It's been on the verge of spi
November 27, 2006 - 14:40 ET by UnsaneIt's been on the verge of spinning out of control for 12-15 months!
If there is this ballyhooed "civil war", can someone explain why FDI is occurring in Iraq?
"Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy." -Sir Winston Churchill, British statesman (1874-1965)
Good points on what isn't a c
November 27, 2006 - 10:58 ET by dscottGood points on what isn't a civil war, terrorism may or may not be a tool of violent factions. So when Timothy McVeigh blew up the Federal Bldg in Oklahoma City, did that constitute civil war or do we need to count in Ruby Ridge and Waco, Tx for a series of acts? How about when the ELF burns SUVs and housing developments under construction? Is that civil war?
I think their definition is a little wanting, isn't the real definition of a civil war, at least two opposing sides massing armies and holding ground? Are they considering the Madhi Army infesting the Sadr City slums as occupied territory? How about Anbar Province? Might come close? I agree it sounds like the MSM types are trying to force the Dem party into throwing up their hands to back out. After all, if the point of not withdrawing the troops is to prevent outright civil war then the military mission has failed so why bother to stay? Crafty little devils aren't they?
“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius
Gangs in LA control "tur
November 27, 2006 - 19:20 ET by chessplayerGangs in LA control "turf" and kill each other. So maybe we can say that LA is in a state of civil war. And maybe the LA police dept. should be re-deployed to Okinawa?
NBC's war of words
November 27, 2006 - 09:20 ET by SportPolitics" We should mention we didn't just wake up on a Monday morning and say let's call this a civil war..."
Of course not, you've been wanting to do this for at least a year now. Why today and not last week, or two weeks ago, or a month or two ago when violence was at this level ? Oh, well, because, you aren't any more certain now as you were then what to call it. It's just Monday morning convenience. You've finally consulted and lined up opposition properly so you could do it ?
And, as Mark pointed out, you haven't told us whom those are that don't agree with your new word game that you failed to employ for several months already.
Sorry NBC, your blatant idiocy, stupidity, and partisanship is showing.
Civil War in Iraq
November 27, 2006 - 09:22 ET by Six String SpiffHmmm... civil war in a country that holds MANY factions who constantly commit the most horrible acts on fellow humans because they don'l love god the right way. Nope, I don;t see any civil war there... this is old news.
I have a new saying:
No soldiers on the ground; NUKES ON THE GROUND!! Could somebody please tell me why we haven't kicked the ass off the terrorists yet? We only HAVE the best weapons and technology, not to mention the best trained elite forces in the WORLD! I have poured tons of money into the pentagon, and for what? So we can be the "kindler, gentler nation"?! MOAB collects dust whilst our soldiers sit in the god foresaken shooting gallery we call Iraq. Pull our soldiers out and "fill the void" with some $*&@%#$!&*#@ HIGH EXPLOSIVES!!!
I suppose NBC is proud as a
November 27, 2006 - 10:14 ET by Red JeepI suppose NBC is proud as a peacock this morning calling the war on terror in Iraq a civil war. Surprised they waited until after the election. Do they want an award for being first? Traitors, the Peacock Traitors NBC.
NBC has desided for us.
November 27, 2006 - 10:16 ET by CT"...After careful consideration, NBC News has decided the change in terminology is warranted and what is going on in Iraq can now be characteritized as civil war..."
NBC/MSNBC has decided we no longer need elected government, they will decide for us. Apparently we, the American electorate, did not vote for enough Cut and Run Retreat in Defeat MSM Democratics. It's taking too long for the U.S. to surrender to their wisdom so NBC has decided for us. Their ARROGANCE as their IGNORANCE knows no bounds.
Thank you, Matt "Light
November 27, 2006 - 10:45 ET by Uncle JohnThank you, Matt "Lightweight" Lauer for the carefully considered enlightenment. Just by virtue of the fact that this comes from Matty and NBC, I'm inclined to think it is biased crap. But thanks for playing.
laur
November 27, 2006 - 10:53 ET by iveseenitallLauer is a slimy,sneaky, liberal #@$%.
NEVER,NEVER trust a liberal
Who Cares if its a Civil War?
November 27, 2006 - 12:58 ET by pearlWho Cares if its a Civil War? How does this change our mission?
I dont care what its called. The mission is the same.
However, Bush needs to get a Schwarzkopf type guy to explain our mission.
"Hussein’s scientists were on the verge of building an atom bomb, as little as a year away" New York Times Nov 2006
Oh so now Matt is an expert i
November 27, 2006 - 13:19 ET by sembyOh so now Matt is an expert in military matters - please - these are pathetic journalist who live in very comfortable homes, seeking more dollars through their lies and deception.
today@nbc.com
duck an cover time
November 27, 2006 - 13:39 ET by foolnomorehow civil were they in the "dress me first" room when they had to draw straws to drop this load of disimformation onto the un-knowing,wait til the wine'r brother's hear they missed out this fine work of manure,the latte's will be hitting the walls , and the header's will be cutting an running down the hall way's for a blue helmut and blue buurkaa to hide in,,, waiting for the "limo-s" to pick them up!!!
In some ways it seems like Ch
November 27, 2006 - 13:44 ET by Dan The Man 2In some ways it seems like Chicago in the roaring 20's with mobs controling the city through an underground and violence. The peace rests upon the government installed by the people and the leaders they have trusted. Perhaps marshall law should be implemented for a period until most of the violence dies out. Perhaps the leaders should lead or perhaps they are and this is what we and they will get for a governmnet.
It takes time to root out rampant corruption that Saddam built into the people and it takes time to be able to fend for yourself. One thing is sure the Demonrats will spin the story either way it goes to their advantage. I mean any President who is impeached and claims that as a badge of honor and gets away with it then anything can happen.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark. -- save my gun, shoot a liberal.
In some ways it seems like Ch
November 27, 2006 - 13:44 ET by Dan The Man 2It's not a civil war. It's a
November 27, 2006 - 15:28 ET by waka wakaIt's not a civil war. It's a failed state, which is even worse. The government is ineffectual and beholden to al Sadr.
Reality has a well known liberal bias.
Matt was positively giddy. He
November 27, 2006 - 16:32 ET by msh1973Matt was positively giddy. He could not contain his glee. He has been waiting for the go ahead from the mucky mucks to start using that term, "civil war". Good for you Matt.
So he was giggling, smirkin
November 27, 2006 - 16:34 ET by balboaSo he was giggling, smirking, unexpectedly cheering, during this piece?
Sure, couldn't you tell? Just
November 27, 2006 - 16:44 ET by msh1973Sure, couldn't you tell? Just pulling your chain.
Lol.BTW, anyone watch Macy'
November 27, 2006 - 16:48 ET by balboaLol.
BTW, anyone watch Macy's Parade coverage by NBC? I thought Meredith had taken tranquilizers beforehand.
What pure rubbish--it is th
November 27, 2006 - 18:43 ET by Richard RomanoWhat pure rubbish--it is the same as calling Guantanamo a gulag. The liberal playbook calls for undermining anything to do with Bush...plain and simple.
Up in Canada, a tv station (CTV) has had the same headline for months: "Iraq on the Brink"; goodness, on the brink for months? How pathetic. What a dishonourable media.
What is scary is where I foun
November 27, 2006 - 21:31 ET by UnsaneWhat is scary is where I found about FDI being plunged into northern Iraq and how well things are going up there: the 14 March 2006 edition of CBC's The National.
"Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy." -Sir Winston Churchill, British statesman (1874-1965)
Merideth V. in all her shining glory
November 27, 2006 - 20:37 ET by Derf1812I was playing a DVD "Lion King 1 1/2 with my grandson and I saw Merideth in the role that fits her inability to handle reality perfectly. She was a quiz show host with Timone. Unfortunately she was just as ridiculous in that situation as she is in any today.
Will Americans ever wake up and realize that the media and our democratic congressmen are destroyning our great country from inside.