The Washington Post just cannot leave "macaca" alone. In the middle of today's article about the racist N-word-screaming outburst of former Seinfeld star Michael Richards, and how it might ruin his career (such as it is), reporter Paul Farhi once again highlights the Post obsession/achievement:
"Other prominent people, such as Mel Gibson and Sen. George Allen (R-Va.), have inflicted career-threatening wounds by making racially insensitive remarks in recent months."
I don't think it's fair to compare "macaca" to screaming the N-word at a heckler. But the Post has tried very hard to make the two words mean exactly the same thing, and they're not letting up, even after they defeated Allen:
Gibson apologized repeatedly for a drunken rant against a Jewish policeman who arrested him in July. Allen also apologized after calling a young worker for his opponent "macaca" at a rally in August. The incident became an issue in Allen's unsuccessful bid for reelection.
It's like the Posties are saying "And don't ever try to run for office again!" The only other people mixing 'macaca' into the Kramer mess is a left-wing satire site.
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Well now...I wonder why they
November 21, 2006 - 16:07 ET by mattmWell now...I wonder why they didn't compare Richards' racist rant to Hitlery's F---ing Jew B...tard remark, or Robert Byrd's "White n--ger" remark... Couldn't possibly be a double standard, could it? Nah... It's just that bigotry is a white conservative/republican characteristic, whereas libs and non-whites are merely making an excusable error or have a legitimate gripe.
This is why anti-White-boy jokes are perfectly acceptable, as is Arab Terrorism, since it's merely a reaction to Zionism (which is also a form of Bigotry, whereas Islamism is totally legitimate).... How revealing this story truly is!
I am neither condemning nor
November 22, 2006 - 17:28 ET by BlameTheMediaI am neither condemning nor supporting anyone's racial tirads, however, I think it is important to compare elected officials to elected officials and comedians to comedians.
These are comedians and actors... not elected officials and in my opinion a very different discussion.
BTW, I think Byrd need not
November 22, 2006 - 17:32 ET by BlameTheMediaBTW, I think Byrd need not be re-elected. What a pig.
shades of the thing
November 22, 2006 - 17:36 ET by j17ghsPoliticians use celebrities as shills, so your point seems lost. It reminds me how feminists like to blame radical feminists for unpopular comments, or environmentalists blaming radical environmentalists but I've never heard a disctinction between radical Nazis and ordinary Nazis or Klan members, etc.
j17ghs, while I understand
November 22, 2006 - 17:47 ET by BlameTheMediaj17ghs, while I understand you "degrees of" comment, I can't figure out how that relates to what I said.
difference ?
November 22, 2006 - 17:36 ET by LionKingThese are comedians and actors... not elected officials and in my opinion a very different discussion.
Can you explain the difference between comedians and actors versus politicians? -- All are out of touch with reality and as such, we laugh at their antics (and sometimes cry).
Good point LionKing. I gue
November 22, 2006 - 17:45 ET by BlameTheMediaGood point LionKing. I guess my point is that Byrd and Allen should be under a different kind of scrutiny than a comedian or actor. Byrd should not be in office, period. How the heck does he get re-elected?
Byrd
November 22, 2006 - 18:00 ET by exLibOne tenant of the church of liberalism is that those who pass judgement on others are therefore judged and condenmed, while those who "repent" and join the great church are forgiven as long as they agree to stop making judgments on their fellow liberals.
Besides this guy brings Pork to his state like no one else.
WAPO
November 21, 2006 - 16:17 ET by misterbillI am letting that paper get to me----to hell with WAPO. I don;t get the paper, so I am trying to ignore the things I read that they publish.
"I don't think it's fa
November 21, 2006 - 16:32 ET by kafkakaefer"I don't think it's fair to compare "macaca" to screaming the N-word at a heckler." Why not?
Anyway, first you people wonder whether that remark gets the same attention as Mel Gibsons comments
and now they are so mean to compare it to George Allen. You people really don't know what you want.
"Hegel says somewhere all great events and personalities in world history reappear in one fashion or another. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce."
The Eighteeenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1852) sect. 1, Cf.
You people really don't know
November 21, 2006 - 16:39 ET by mattmYou people really don't know what you want.
First off, we'd like a little coherence.
Since when? "Hegel
November 21, 2006 - 16:43 ET by kafkakaeferSince when?
"Hegel says somewhere all great events and personalities in world history reappear in one fashion or another. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce."
The Eighteeenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1852) sect. 1, Cf.
In the beginning.......
November 21, 2006 - 17:27 ET by acumenSince your first comment on NB.
"you people"
November 21, 2006 - 16:45 ET by misterbillKafka are you lumping us black people together with yr prejudicial remark??
What remark?
November 21, 2006 - 16:48 ET by kafkakaeferWhat remark? Anyway how can I lump you together with a remark?
"Hegel says somewhere all great events and personalities in world history reappear in one fashion or another. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce."
The Eighteeenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1852) sect. 1, Cf.
lump what remark?
November 21, 2006 - 17:34 ET by misterbill"You people" of course. Lighten up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh man I didn't think about
November 21, 2006 - 17:37 ET by kafkakaeferOh man I didn't think about the hate speech aspect in calling you people "you people". Thx for pointing that out.
"Hegel says somewhere all great events and personalities in world history reappear in one fashion or another. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce."
The Eighteeenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1852) sect. 1, Cf.
kafka
November 21, 2006 - 17:42 ET by misterbillKafka, I was just having a little fun. One of the great things about our republic is that we can take a break from the strain of argument with a little humor now and then!
Sorry, (sincerely), if I caused any hurt.
Don't apologize. I'm having
November 21, 2006 - 17:44 ET by kafkakaeferDon't apologize. I'm having my fun too.
"Hegel says somewhere all great events and personalities in world history reappear in one fashion or another. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce."
The Eighteeenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1852) sect. 1, Cf.
"you people"
November 21, 2006 - 16:59 ET by iveseenitall"you people" -- another racist remark from the Trolls!
NEVER,NEVER trust a liberal
Now it gets funny. Conserva
November 21, 2006 - 17:01 ET by kafkakaeferNow it gets funny. Conservatives are a race?
"Hegel says somewhere all great events and personalities in world history reappear in one fashion or another. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce."
The Eighteeenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1852) sect. 1, Cf.
Liberal
November 21, 2006 - 17:10 ET by iveseenitall"you people"- a racist remark according to the liberal playbook. But don't admit it , just continue on with your typical inanities.
NEVER NEVER trust a liberal
So I suppose if I left the
November 21, 2006 - 17:14 ET by kafkakaeferSo I suppose if I left the "you" away it wouldn't be racist anymore. But calling you "you people" is? And I guess to be called "troll" isn't racist, is it?
"Hegel says somewhere all great events and personalities in world history reappear in one fashion or another. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce."
The Eighteeenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1852) sect. 1, Cf.
you people
November 21, 2006 - 17:16 ET by misterbillWell, you people are always saying you people to us people! So there!!!
So here we have two racists
November 21, 2006 - 17:18 ET by kafkakaeferSo here we have two racists? No three. You said "us people".
"Hegel says somewhere all great events and personalities in world history reappear in one fashion or another. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce."
The Eighteeenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1852) sect. 1, Cf.
kafka got me
November 21, 2006 - 19:19 ET by misterbillkafka got me you got me--- I done it!! LOL
More enlightened phrases
November 21, 2006 - 19:52 ET by UnsaneThen there is this related enlightened phrase: "those people".
"Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy." -Sir Winston Churchill, British statesman (1874-1965)
Is perhaps "these peop
November 21, 2006 - 20:37 ET by kafkakaeferIs perhaps "these people" even worse? It sounds like to my ear.
"Hegel says somewhere all great events and personalities in world history reappear in one fashion or another. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce."
The Eighteeenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1852) sect. 1, Cf.
Perhaps it is you kafka
November 22, 2006 - 17:23 ET by SportPoliticsPerhaps it is you kafka
[Virtually unknown during his lifetime, the works of Kafka have since been recognized as symbolizing modern man's anxiety-ridden and grotesque alienation in an unintelligible, hostile, or indifferent world.]
You write what you experience, and as usual the hero of the weirdos here(not that there's anything wrong with that) is always quite out there.
[ The feeling of impotence, even in his rebellion, was a syndrome that became a pervasive theme in his fiction. ]
At least it's an accurate outline.
kafkakaefer Says: "mac
November 22, 2006 - 10:23 ET by DontFeedTheTrollskafkakaefer Says: "macaca"
Over and over you repeat a word you say is a slur. Hence, you are offensive.
I say kafkakaefer is a slur against someone, somewhere, sometime.
I am offended.
I am right.
You are wrong.
Please leave.
DSG
"Over and over you rep
November 23, 2006 - 06:09 ET by kafkakaefer"Over and over you repeat a word you say is a slur. Hence, you are offensive."
Quote me!
"Hegel says somewhere all great events and personalities in world history reappear in one fashion or another. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce."
The Eighteeenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1852) sect. 1, Cf.
Richards' race comments have Democrat origin
November 21, 2006 - 16:35 ET by j17ghsUntil Democrats apologize for slavery and remove former Klansman Sen. Robert "Sheets" Byrd from the nation's most august body, we have an omission much more egregious than one comedian's loose lips. Democrats seceded to form the Confederacy and then to promulgate segregation through the mid 1960s. Democrats had never elected a black man to the U.S. Senate until Sen. Obama Barrack, and, even in his case, he has one white parent. And it's interesting to note how media most like to celebrate those of black heritage who have a parent of another race, e.g., Halle Berry, Tiger Woods, et al.
And it's interesting to not
November 21, 2006 - 16:42 ET by balboaAnd it's interesting to note how media most like to celebrate those of
black heritage who have a parent of another race, e.g., Halle Berry,
Tiger Woods, et al.
Yeah, like Michael Jordan, Shaq, Eddie Murphy, Chris Rock...
You have made an excellent point.
November 21, 2006 - 17:37 ET by terrigWhile Halle Barry & Tiger Woods are celebrated because of their acting or golfing abilities it never crossed my mind to think that they received anymore or perhaps fairer treatment because they were bi-racial. One of my friends from high school is bi-racial and I remember her always talking about how hard it was for her to find anyone to date because guys from both races were not interested in taking her out on dates, just being friends. I'm sure that Halle Barry, Tiger Woods & Barak Obama faced the same types of problems growing up as well, never really knowing where to fit in. However, I think things have changed quite a bit in the 24 years (eeekkk) since I've been out of high school. Madgella met another bi-racial guy in college and they were later married when they graduated. Both said they never felt really accepted until they found each other.
biracial media darlings
November 22, 2006 - 17:07 ET by j17ghsOf course media mention Jordan, Rock et al. but there is something the media especially likes about promoting Berry, Barack, Woods. Berry shamed the Motion Picture Academy in to giving her an Oscar a few years ago because she was "black" (only on her dad's side and she was raised in her mom's white upper middle-class suburb -- oh, boo-hoo, poor little Berry!) and Woods and his mom (who is Oriental) play the discrimination card a lot but subtly.
Making race a paramount issue is embarassing and pays homage to a political ploy that discourages rational, independent thought that is so vital to a healthy and productive society. Racial characteristics are not dissimilar from many other obvious personal characteristics -- good or bad -- that can cause people troubles in life, e.g., do you want to be Plain Jane or the cute blond boy in Cell Block D?
Ya know...I am tired of this.
November 21, 2006 - 17:17 ET by connorinYa know...I am tired of this...
All of you posters on both sides (and the middle) of the aisle...
Before Georga Allen made his macaca comment and the press reported on it - did you know that the word macaca actually existed? did you know it was a racial slur? did you know it was a dismissive epithet used by francophone colonials in Central Africa's Belgian Congo for the native population?
or
did you think that was a word a two year old blurted out that you thought he just made up?
BTW people, if he knew it was a racial slur, why did he use it against a man of Indian descent when it is a slur against natives of the Belgian Congo area?
connorin
November 21, 2006 - 17:29 ET by misterbillI never knew it wa either. I thought it was atype of monkey. My dictionary substantiates that. It took the MSM to make a slur out of it. I am not an apologist for Allen. I do not even live in his state. I wasn't much concerned about his success or failure. Nonetheless, I believe he used the expression unwittingly and with huomorous intent and the press blew it out of proportion.
Many times people use racis
November 21, 2006 - 17:42 ET by kafkakaeferMany times people use racist remarks to appear "funny". It is still racist.
"Hegel says somewhere all great events and personalities in world history reappear in one fashion or another. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce."
The Eighteeenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1852) sect. 1, Cf.
Seems only this morning
November 21, 2006 - 17:48 ET by tumblerI've been wondering why a host of flies didn't come down on my head for daring this morning to say "Nazi". That word is verboten in our pleasant ant-hill of discussion. In fact I wasn't trying to be funny. I meant Nazis.
You can say "braune Sc
November 21, 2006 - 17:51 ET by kafkakaeferYou can say "braune Scheiße" instead.
"Hegel says somewhere all great events and personalities in world history reappear in one fashion or another. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce."
The Eighteeenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1852) sect. 1, Cf.
kafka - when did you learn th
November 21, 2006 - 17:51 ET by connorinkafka -
when did you learn the word was a racial slur...what year? did all your friends know it was a racist slur? did you wonder why he was using it on an Indian instead of a Belgian Congian? why would you call a black man a jap? a hispanic person a chink?
What exactly is your point?
November 21, 2006 - 17:58 ET by kafkakaeferWhat exactly is your point? Is George Allen a good guy because he used a racial slur nobody knew?
"Hegel says somewhere all great events and personalities in world history reappear in one fashion or another. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce."
The Eighteeenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1852) sect. 1, Cf.
My point is he said he made t
November 21, 2006 - 18:11 ET by connorinMy point is he said he made the word up on the spot...unless he is very familiar with slurs against Belgian Congians, I would have to say that I believe him.
He did not know it was a slur, so why does everyone act as if he did and everyone knew it. Michael Richards called those guys at the comedy club n****rs, but he knew what the word was. If the phrase yada-yada-yada was found to have tie to anti-jewish rites in the Koran, would you hold it against Jerry Seinfeld and everyone you ever heard use the phrase? If you ever used the phrase a chink in their armor, are you racist against chinese people?
So your sole point here is
November 21, 2006 - 20:04 ET by kafkakaeferSo your sole point here is that you believe he didn't know the word he was using? And you come to this conclusion by pointing out that many people don't know the word. I ask you, is this a valid argument that Allen (a grown up guy) did not know the meaning of the word he used? The inference that you don't know it so Allen doesn't know it, is at least logical plain wrong.
"Hegel says somewhere all great events and personalities in world history reappear in one fashion or another. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce."
The Eighteeenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1852) sect. 1, Cf.
No K...my point is that I wou
November 22, 2006 - 09:47 ET by connorinNo K...my point is that I would bet that at least 90% of "grown up" Americans (including myself and everyone I know) probably did not know: 1) that it was an actual word; and 2) that it was a racial slur for natives of the Belgian Congo! Heck, you have seen the video right? Did the crowd react to it like he was being racially insensitive to the guy? Look at the Michael Richards tape, that crowd knew and understood the remarks he was making and reacted in offense, unlike Allen's crowd.
Once again I ASK YOU...How long have you known the word macaca was a racial slur (are you a grown up too?)? How many of your friends and family knew the word was a racial slur? Take a poll of your work place...see how many knew the word for what it is and not something their two year old blurted out
If you or your friends did know the word, considering it is not one that comes up often here in America, how/why did you learn it?
I thought is was a Parrot....
November 22, 2006 - 09:48 ET by Guy Arthur ThomasAnd to think I thought Allen was referring to a Parrot...Polly want a "cracker"? heh heh
I am a member of LSCA (Lazy Spell Checkers Anonymous).
It doesn't matter who knows
November 22, 2006 - 17:18 ET by BlameTheMediaIt doesn't matter who knows what it meant, and who didn't. He used it as a derogatory name for a man with dark skin.
Many white racists do not make great distinctions between the shade of the dark skin. If you are not white, you are not white, hence falling into the dark skinned category.
Thx. My point. If he is a r
November 23, 2006 - 06:21 ET by kafkakaeferThx. My point. If he is a racist I don't know. But obviously he made a very stupid remark.
"Hegel says somewhere all great events and personalities in world history reappear in one fashion or another. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce."
The Eighteeenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1852) sect. 1, Cf.
misterbill-that has been what
November 21, 2006 - 17:46 ET by connorinmisterbill-
that has been what I have found as well...whenever I have asked individuals if they knew the word was a racial slur before that, I usually get no...the few I got that were yes, were fervent democrats who were then unable to figure out when/where they heard it before
But still George Allen got
November 21, 2006 - 17:47 ET by kafkakaeferBut still George Allen got it somewhere from.
"Hegel says somewhere all great events and personalities in world history reappear in one fashion or another. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce."
The Eighteeenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1852) sect. 1, Cf.
kaf - macaca
November 21, 2006 - 18:07 ET by misterbillKaf-- When I was younger the word "Monkey" was used in endearing terms. It was applied to babies. I can remember friends and family members saying things as: "Oh, what a cute little monkey" or "Whose little monkey are you".
This was in a white population. It took the PC and the press to make it a derogatory remark. Years later and in a mixed racial environment, (prior to learning some of the rules of PC), if I had picked up the baby of one of my black friends or associates and said the same things, with endearment, I would be branded as a racist.
How did this come about? More importantly, why did this come about. I am not a good enough typist to enter my thesis here, but is a sad state of affairs.
I was raised the same way...m
November 21, 2006 - 21:14 ET by bigtimerI was raised the same way...monkey was an endearment misterbill...
Sad state of affairs all the way 'round with just about anything anymore...especially if you don't have a 'D' after your name if you are a politician or Hollywood/artistic leftist type.
Well, Tim, English is a wonderful language in America.
November 21, 2006 - 19:10 ET by acaiguanaWell, Tim, English is a wonderful language in America.
You understand, adding words here and there, stealing them when necessary, using them irreverently and incorrectly when needed, throwing them around off-the-cuff as it were.
So, we created, oops, the MSM created, oops, the Washington Post created - finally I think I got it right - a word that at best was a mangled word, if it even was a word, on the fly; and took that word to heights the word itself never dreamed it could achieve on its own.
It is on a par with the 'N' word, the 'C' word, why nearly all the words in the world with actual history used to denigrate human beings into sub-human objects standing in line for an oven.
I wish I had a word like that. I envy a word like that. I could never in my wildest dreams achieve what that word did in the span of a couple of weeks. That word is so important and fantastic that I wish I had one too.
In fact, it even makes me wonder why I never had heard that word before in my life. After all, I'm a word respectin' kinda guy.
...
Acaiguana says: "Ya can't win if ya don't play."
Aca, Don't despair. You can
November 22, 2006 - 10:16 ET by Hunter12Aca, Don't despair. You can create your own word. Just make one up and start using it and let people imply a defintion from context. For instance, "With the ruizomatic Nancy Pelosi as Speaker of the House, the nation is headed for interesting times."
You do have to be careful, because at the conception of the word, viewpoint does come into play. A liberal might think that "ruizomatic" might mean "thoughtful and decivise", whereas most intelligent people would know it means "thoroughly grounded in the belief that there is one set of rules for you and your friends and another, usually much harsher and costly, set of rules for people you considered of a lower station.".
"That Harry Reid sure is ruizomatic."
Remember, be creative and verbose and soon, you too can have your own word.
"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last." - Sir Winston Churchill
A ruminating 'ruizomatic'. Does it slice and dice?
November 22, 2006 - 10:36 ET by acaiguanaA ruminating 'ruizomatic'. Does it slice and dice?
...
Acaiguana says: "Ya can't win if ya don't play."
"Other prominent people,
November 21, 2006 - 21:03 ET by bigtimer"Other prominent people, such as Mel Gibson and Sen. George Allen (R-Va.), have inflicted career-threatening wounds by making racially insensitive remarks in recent months."
This is what the WaPost will keep in the press for the next two years if they think Allen will still run, which I hope he does, as long as he has the cajones and is very out-spoken with a very clear message, gets back into the game and is his normal conservative self...they have done damage, they will attempt to inflict more...they are despicable tripe...but they can be beat if determined, stubborn and unafraid.
Well, I guess Vanilla Countryside night is the one for me
November 21, 2006 - 21:31 ET by SportPoliticsWell, I guess Vanilla Countryside Night is the one for me, at the Comedy Club, just not sure which day of the week that is yet.
Since, ya know, now the black spokespeople have let me know that Monday night at the Comedy Club is Chocolate City Night.
Crackers with that Soup Nazi?
November 21, 2006 - 22:02 ET by acumenWhy wouldn't the WaPo use the Harold Ford Sr analogy instead of the Mel Gibson or the George Allen analogy? Senior Ford would be Harold Ford Jr's (unsuccessful candidate from Tenn) old man. Was that wrong? Well, just in case, let me change that to Harold Ford's father. That correction out of the way, I am referring to the incident where Ford called a white Corker campaign worker a "cracker". It appears that would be a more similar analogy to Michael Richard's on-stage remarks than a jewish slur and whatever slur the WaPo fabricated to impugn Allen (macaca is still a new one to me).
In addition, Ford's remark could be seen as a career-threatening wound in light of the fact Ford lost. That is, if any of the estab media had bothered to report the remark.
Now that I have that out of the way, I think I'll head on over to Cracker Barrel and see if I can get a jihad organized unless they agree to change their name.
acumen...Puuurrrrrfect exampl
November 21, 2006 - 22:18 ET by bigtimeracumen...
Puuurrrrrfect example!
The cracker comment was spun away, just poof disappeared.
Reported on most leftists shows that Ford lost because of racism...what a crock...btw, he also did himself in with his interrupting the Press Conference Corker was having like the arrogant little leftist twit that he is for all to see...
Hey BT,We (Florida) crackers
November 21, 2006 - 22:40 ET by BlondeHey BT,
We (Florida) crackers resemble that remark!
As MSH noted earlier, in Florida, "cracker" is not a term of derision. On the larger scale of things, though, I suppose it is. But it's okay for a black person to call me a cracker (witness all of the commentary about that part of the video <sarcasm/off>).
I just find it incredibly sad that people will take offense at the slightest little thing. (Like that dummy Rosie O and the Ripa statment on another thread). And then find the $500 an hour talking heads to assuage their distress.
Me...I get a nice comment at work from a male co-worker about my leather skirt, or a hug, or (oh-no) even a kiss (quite common....actually....it's a cultural thing)....I am not offended. I take it in the vein in which it's offered...it's nothing more than a friendly gesture. Guess what....that means I can tell a dirty joke in mixed company without worrying whether I'm going to get into HR trouble.
Guess I'm just fortunate to work with adults. Too bad the rest of the world is so hyper-sensitive and stupid.