Will 'Kramer' Get Same MSM Mistreatment as Gibson?


With the recent racial slur outburst from "Seinfeld" actor, Michael Richards, we will have to pay close attention to see if Richards gets a softer treatment than Mel Gibson did with his own racial slur laden rant earlier in the year.

But, if this AP report is any indication, it seems sure that "Kramer" won't be as maligned as Mel Gibson.

Richards Apologizes for Racial Slurs

Daryl Pitts, a Laugh Factory audience member interviewed by CNN, compared the incident to another recent celebrity controversy.

"You think about Mel Gibson and what he said, and put that in the context of this, it's very upsetting," Pitts said, referring to Gibson's anti-Semitic outburst during his arrest for drunken driving.

Scrutiny of Richards' remarks likely will continue but won't match the level prompted by Gibson's behavior because Richards is far less famous, (Veteran publicist Michael ) Levine said.

So, Richards is not "famous" enough to be scolded by the MSM?

And, how many will point out that Gibson said his comments while impaired by mood altering substances (alcohol), and that Richards was ostensibly in his full faculties?

Probably not many.

And, we are sure to see Gibson raked over the coals with EVERY "Kramer" story for the rest of the day, for sure. This story will be an excuse for the MSM to dive into Gibson all over again.

My guess would be that "Kramer" will not get near the amount of venom spewed at him. Of course, "Kramer" didn't make a movie about Jesus that made millions despite Hollywood's best efforts to laugh it out of theaters, either!

After all, did Mel Gibson get 7 some minutes of David Letterman's show to apologize?

Finally, I wonder if we will get Howard Dean and John Kerry to back Richards' "botched joke"??


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Same treatment as Gibson? W

Same treatment as Gibson? What about same treatment as Allen. Isn't the 'n' word just as offensive as the 'm' word? Oops, forgot the 'm' word is the most offensive word in the universe.

DSG

...especially since half of

...especially since half of every "M" word story had to be filled with an explanation of just what the heck the word even WAS and why it was supposed to be offensive!

They will run from the real story in the Richards case...

Lib, con, or whatever there is a much bigger story here that the MsM will run from along with running from the Richards implosion. The de facto double standard of racism among blacks where they claim racial offensive when hearing the word "nigger" or a joke about blacks yet eagerly and readily use the word "cracker" or make jokes about white people via stereotypes is finding its end. But it isn't just what is demonstrated on by way of comedians but the PC double standard regarding license to use white stereotypes and racial words such as "cracker " in a majority of the media while feigning offense and attempting to shame any white performer, usually male, if they use the same comedic standards and parody the silliness and extreme in black culture. The truth is that few want to face and accept is that there is no racial utopia, there is no true sentiment that it is okay for my white daughter to sleep with or marry your ghetto appearing black son. There is no true utopia where a white person would pick a room full of blacks to enter when there is a room full of whites to enter. There is none of this but we all want to pretend it and stick our heads in the sand. What are normal human prejudices that will never change aren't allowed to be discussed or accepted. Blacks prefer blacks and whites prefer whites and hispanics prefer hispanics by in large with exceptions, why? Because people like things similar to themselves....duh. This is a natural and reasonable prejudice. But that isn't even allowed to be discussed or accepted as normal or reasonable human behaivor. The PC crowd has so infected people with this psychology of shame that people like Richards, and the rest of white society that are sick and tired of "cracker" or any other racial insult toward whites being use by hispanics, blacks or any other minority with immunity who have kept their mouth shut for a long time, simply had enough of the double standard. He said in a rage what should be discussed reasonably but ya know what? The MsM will never allow honest discussion, ever. And don't think Fox will either because the best they will ever have is Hannity having on a racist named Sharpton to talk about it and Sharpton is one of the parties guilty of denying racial dialogue. But yes, Richards will get a pretty big pass on this one and it is back to our heads in the sand.


I am a member of LSCA (Lazy Spell Checkers Anonymous).

I get your point and agree

I get your point and agree with it, but "cracker" just does not have the same gravity, history of usage or the same meaning behind it as the N word. I'm not saying that "n**" deserves special legal treatment, but those two words do not have the same weight when used.

Here in Florida, "cracke

Here in Florida, "cracker", refers to a native Floridian. They began using it when making reference to those men who would "crack" their whips when herding cattle. There is nothing "racial" behind that term here in Florida. A native Floridian wears that term proudly.

Are you kidding?  Cracker is

Are you kidding?  Cracker is a derrogatory term regardless if you Floridians find it compassionate.  How stupid!  That's like me saying, we say nigger in my house as a term of affection., "Good Night Nigger". 

Grow up!

He's not kidding, but most

He's not kidding, but most FL crackers were said to be whites. Language is used differently in different parts of the country, and not all of language/word-use has to do with racial issues when it comes to the word "cracker." The n-word is different because of history and usage, and it has nothing to do with growing up, it's just a fact. I eat crackers with soup. Or consider all the various names in the USA for a submarine sandwich -- "grinder," "hoagie," "sub," etc. etc. many of which only make sense to the person taking the order in certain regions. Just because you don't use a word in a certain way has nothing to do with how others in other places choose to use it.
JMR

It doesn't really matter wh

It doesn't really matter what other meanings the word has, if cracker is being used in a derogatory manner to describe a white person then it is a racial slur. Much more so than words like macaca (which lost a senator a seat after it was described to be some obscure slur no one had ever heard) or niggardly (which actually got someone fired even though it has nothing whatsoever to do with race).

Who are you calling stupid?

Who are you calling stupid? You don't know what you are talking about. You obviously don't reside in Florida or you would know the term "cracker" is not racial, I repeat myself, but you are not listening. If you want to play this game, I will play right along with you.

msh....Not worth it...Johnbo

msh....

Not worth it...Johnbo is a troll of the worst sort.

Sheesh....listen to me after flaming a couple myself. 

Maybe no one else appreciated your observation about "crackers"...but I surely did.

Speaking of crackers....have you read "Charlotte's Story"?  A Florida cracker story from the 30's that rivals Marjorie Keenan Rawlings for the gritty reality of Florida pioneer life.  (In the Keys, no less!). 

Blonde,Thanks. It just gets m

Blonde,

Thanks. It just gets my flesh crawling. Sometimes you just have to come out fighting. I have heard about the Rawlings book. I will look for it at the library.

"The term "cracker&

"The term "cracker" was and is used most frequently in the southern U.S., especially in Georgia and Florida. Since the 1870s a nickname for Georgia is "The Cracker State", which is displayed proudly with no hint of insult or irony". A quote from Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. I rest my case. I was only talking about here in Florida, so get off your high horse.

msh,You can call me cracker.B

msh,

You can call me cracker.

Because you get the meaning of it.

Just like these rappers can call each other n*****, and not be offended.

Actually, I wouldn't even be ragged in the least if a rapper called me a cracker.  I'd just have to laugh.  Because as you and I know...it's not an insult to a native Floridian.

hate all of this pc stuff, though.  It is far too nuanced for me.  I'm a conservative, after all.

No high horse here at all. 

No high horse here at all.  What you are forgetting is that the word has a univeral meaning that is deemed derrogative.  So, regardless of where you live and what words you think are cool to use in your knitting circle, it doesn't excuse anyone from using them in a manner that is insulting to others. 

If you are still having problems understanding how the word "cracker" was used against Richards, watch some late night BET during comedy sweeps. 

MKS, It all depends on the co

MKS, It all depends on the context in which it is used and what emphasis a word is given that drives whether or not it is offensive.  If you mean to offend someone, you can make any word an insult.  Look at what the MSM does with "Conservative".

"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last."  - Sir Winston Churchill

"I get your point and

"I get your point and agree with it, but "cracker" just does not have the same gravity, history of usage or the same meaning behind it as the N word. I'm not saying that "n**" deserves special legal treatment, but those two words do not have the same weight when used."

Wow, thanks for deciding for others how much a word may or may not offend them. Who cares how they personally feel about it. Kinda arrogant of you to decide for others how much they are offended by a word. Still, it's nice to see white guilt is alive and kicking.

In case you missed it, when the black guys called Kramer a cracker as they walked out, I don't think it was a term of endearment. It was meant to be just as hateful as Kramer's use of the "n" word. I guess, as a white man however, he wasn't supposed to be offended by it because white folks feelings just ain't as important.

Definition of a Bigot

I saw it on this site first...definition of a bigot is a conservative winning an argument with a liberal.  You are so right, we are not able to have a dialogue based on fact when it comes to race.  Very sad state of affairs.

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I have always thought it in

I have always thought it interesting that Hispanic and Black comics can talk about how stupid "white people" are in their acts and never get called racists, too.

Rodriguez quote sheds light on entire episode

One of the biggest pieces within this story is the quote from Paul Rodriguez: "Once the word (N-WORD) comes out of your mouth and you don't happen to be African-American, then you have a whole lot of explaining"

 "AND YOU DON'T HAPPEN TO BE AFRICAN-AMERICAN"...the N-word is OK for blacks to use but not OK for whites to use.  Unacceptable.  First, different standards for different people based on race and second, the media and our culture that hollywood stars are paramount allows factions of the black community (stars of the hip-hop genre and black comedians for example) to perpetuate the use of the N-word.  I would bet my next paycheck that the overwhelming majority of black people are against the use of the N-word, by anyone, especially by blacks themselves.
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 Paul Rodriguez:  "Fre

 Paul Rodriguez:  "Freedom of speech has its limitations......"

For who Paul, whites only?

Thats one thing that I agree

Thats one thing that I agree with this site about and I have for a long time. There is a double standard in comedy and other forms of entertainment as far as how minorities can get away with ethnic slurs verses caucasian males

wow rhayes, there is hope f

wow rhayes, there is hope for you yet ;)

Even a broken clock is correc

Even a broken clock is correct twice a day.

Florida - thanks for remindin

Florida - thanks for reminding us.  :-)

I was begining to doubt my own sanity . . . Rhayesbat making sense . . . what next . . .

gotcha covered buddy ;)

gotcha covered buddy ;)

Yes. Red Foxx, Richard Prior,

Yes. Red Foxx, Richard Prior, Eddie Murphy have made recordings and careers using words like "honky" and "cracker" in their routines. Chris Rock, too.  And never a stir in the MsM.

I doubt it. I doubt there w

I doubt it. I doubt there will be an examination of his past comedy routines to look for signs of racism. I also doubt that his family's racist tendencies will be questioned. Next year, I doubt he'll be on Frigid 50: The Coldest People in Hollywood. We'll see how rapidly he is accepted back into showbiz after his apology on Letterman.

Will there be a difference? There is already a difference. He isn't being called a racist; his rant is being called "racist." That is a significant distinction. There are others. Major celebrities gave him the benefit of the doubt. There are no calls for banning him immediately from ever working again, and, of course, no comparisons to Hitler or, in this case, the Klan.

I'm going to add this to my

I'm going to add this to my story...

"Did Mel Gibson get 7 some minutes of David Letterman's show to apologize?"

I'm not sure this is fair.

I'm not sure this is fair. Mel certainly could have been booked on Letterman (or any national talk show he wanted) any night he chose following his outburst. Also, knowing a few comics -- none teetotalers -- as I do, it's in no way clear that Richards wasn't drinking alcohol that night. In fact, if I had to guess, I'd say it's likely he'd had a couple -- just like Mel! We must adhere to a single standard while exposing double-standards, or we risk becoming no different than the news media we constantly critique.
JMR

Has his career gone anywhere

Has his career gone anywhere since Seinfeld anyway?  Like Jason Alexander,  Julia  Louis-Dreyfuss, and Jerry Seinfeld himself, his career has already peaked.   Richards, Alexander, and Louis-Dreyfuss have struggled with their own comedy series.  Seinfeld was wise enough to go back to his roots -- stand-up -- and count his money. 

The real issue is the double standard in comedy.  When Richards rants with racial epithets, audiences react in shock and disdain.  When Chris Rock, or Dave Chappelle, or other black comics use racial slurs on whites (AND blacks), it's cutting-edge humor.

Now, was Richards dishing it out to the hecklers for laughs, or was he just out of control?  From the clips I've seen, with numerous editings, he seemed angry. 

I don't normally turn on morn

I don't normally turn on morning tv, but this morning I did and front and center on the Today's Show was the clip of Richards going off on his rant.

He shouldn't get the same t

He shouldn't get the same treatment because he's not as big of a star. Mel Gibson is a huge movie star that is known all over the world. He's been in blockbusters like The Leathal Weapon series, Braveheart, and We Were Soldiers. Michael Richards was a supporting character in a sitcom whose career has went nowhere since it went off the air in 1998.

Democracy is not enough. If the culture dies, the country dies. - Pat Buchanan

So you are saying that raci

So you are saying that racism is OK if you aren't as "famous" as someone else?

Nice values, friend!

What the hell are you talki

What the hell are you talking about? Star Power drives ratings and garners interest. It would be stupid to talk about a nobody like Richards for as long as they did Gibson. By your logic everytime anybody makes a racist comment the news should cover it for weeks.

Democracy is not enough. If the culture dies, the country dies. - Pat Buchanan

Especially if a conservative

Especially if a conservative makes the comment...

Giving Richards less coverage

Giving Richards less coverage than Gibson in no way diminishes the offensiveness of the action. Gibson had so much more to lose, and that's what makes his story all the more "sexy" to the MSM. If anything, Richards may actually benefit in the long run from some sudden exposure, if his handlers play their cards correctly.

I am expecting to hear in a day or two that Richards is entering rehab to kick his alcohol or a substance abuse problem. Even if he doesn't have one.

Somewhere, Danny Bonaduce is saying, "I wish I'd thought of that!"

*****

G.O.B.: I heard the jury's still out on science.

If Danny had exploded at he

If Danny had exploded at hecklers, it might have been funny. Assuming Danny & the hecklers survived, that is! :)
JMR

Bandstand

I saw Danny and the Hecklers in some little joint in NV. They rock!

spoken like a true liberal. 

spoken like a true liberal.  there are rules for you slubs and then there are rules of "us".

I think they will. The news

I think they will. The news media loves to cover simple-minded right & wrong issues like race as much as they hate to hear complex, thoughtful rants like this one, which they all desperately-need to hear. Covering racial strife fills the space, so there's no apparent vacuum on the various issues addressed in the rant. They're simply not-covered at all.
JMR

Keeping the masses preoccupie

Keeping the masses preoccupied with trivial stories, I agree...reminds me of Lewinsky coverage instead of Clinton selling military secrets to the Chinese!  Now what is more front page worthy...sex in the White House or National Security?

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I agree. And boy, was the &

I agree. And boy, was the "sarcasmo-cloaking-device" busy back-then when I talked about THAT...I guess the damthing predates NewsBusters! :)
JMR

sarc

I started reading then stopped when it finally got to " collapse of the fiat money".

There's only so many YEARS I can continue to keep reading the same 1929 whine. Oh, and earlier I had one on the 379 trillion(yes T - leveraged) dollar derivatives market ready to implode, again.

I remember Kerry claiming it was 1929 all over again in 2004.

Let's be aware of this, as soon as you get your wish, and then some, in other words if the news is reporting on it instead of not, you can be sure the collapse is imminent and already cascading.

In the mean time, there's not a thing reporting on it would do to stop it, and since it "has" to happen, might as well buckle up - for noone knows how long. Yes, March 28th day came and went - right M3 master?

There is only one thing Micha

There is only one thing Michael Richards is angry and sorry about in this entire episode: That he can’t ever be mentioned without being referred to as Kramer.

These actors are suicidal when they get stereotyped.

Rochester, Minnesota: A Fem_Leftist City!

Mel Gibson is recognized ever

Mel Gibson is recognized everywhere as Mel Gibson.  Michael Richards is recognized everywhere as Kramer. 

Is Michael Richards Jewish?

Is Michael Richards Jewish?

If he is his parents are prob

If he is his parents are probably pissed, he's a 3rd degree Free Mason. Wiki is on the ball with his current antics.

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

MSM Glorifies Racism

Look at all of the "R and B" ( I use quotes because that f*ckin rubbish that these rappers...  umm develop is NOT Blues!) Cd covers.  What do you see?  Some "home boy" with a glock in his pants and some cash in his hand.  The album is FILLED with nigga, cracka, hoe, bitch, crack, strapped, piece (gun), and the like.  They also have the nerve to be pissed off when people profile their gangsta asses.  Look at any "G - unit" album and you will see what I'm talking about.  MOST "hip hop" goes down that road and I feel no pitty for it at all.  Look at the "music" awards..  *pukes*   Then you have the MSM lightly sugar coating the entire thing like its no big deal.  Not giving the entire story is a form of LYING, msm..

Spaceman is right.  I find i

Spaceman is right.  I find it interesting that the MSM focuses on two white personalities to crucify.  Has anyone listened to what passes for music from the african american culture lately?  Some real vile stuff going on in the rap world.  And yet the media ignores the filth.  I've heard people use the word nigger often enough and 98% of the time it came from african american "artistes".

Should all hollywood celebrit

Should all hollywood celebrities be asked if they used the N word in the past ten years?

As I saw that video, at the e

As I saw that video, at the end as Richards says "...those words, those words..." then drops the mic and walks behind the curtain, I keep expecting to hear Rod serling intone " Michael Richards, an actor playing a beloved character on a series, in real life walks onto a stage and exposes the darkest fears of mankind, opens a door into which he will never return, a door into the Twilight Zone."

I have listened to this several times and I think he was going for something here -  the whole ' that's what you get for talkin back to the white man' thing, as a comic he was reaching for something and it didn't come. Like Paul Rodriquez said 'I kept waiting for the punchline' - what was left was the ugliness and hate.

From a biased MSM point of view will we see stories on the 'closet Klan' in Hollywood now? Time magazine covers 'Is Hollywood racist?"

Nahhhhh

Lefterman gave him the kid gl

Lefterman gave him the kid glove treatment according to Laura I.

Why the double standard?  It's because Libs are the racists, homophobes, sexists, wife-abusers, child-abusers etc.  So, on the very rare occasion a conservative, or someone they can portray as a conservative, let's out a "macaca" or calls a black person a 'colored person' or something, they blow a gasket and make a public spectacle of him or her, thus deflecting scrutiny from themselves.  Hitlery called someone a F---ing Jew B---ard and got away with it...nuff said.

It's sad to see a whole race

It's sad to see a whole race of people preoccupied with giving a word like 'nigger' unprecedented negative energy, rather than working on other issues that actually impact their lives. These double-standards will forever exist in the pc world until this group collectively comes to their senses. Until then, they will not have arrived.

This happened last Friday.

This happened last Friday. Why did it take so long to be reported? Strange. Slow news day?

Next up for Kramer..."Where are they now", coming in 2011

More of the double standard...I heard that Kramer actually performed again on the same stage on Saturday after the Friday "botched joke"!  Unbelievable.  Thank goodness for the internet and exposing this story.  Next up for Kramer..."Where are they now", coming in 2011.

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Richards says: "I'm not a racist"

Unable to come to grips with how the word "nigger" repeatedly coming from his mouth and a reference to 50 years ago "they" would have been upside down with a fork up their a$$, Richards exclaims he is not a racist.  He said that the crazy thing in all of this is that he is not a racist so how did this happen? Magic? Voodoo? What?

Well the fact is he probably isn't a racist, he simply exploded because he doesn't like ghetto blacks, thug blacks and instead of being honest with himself and saying these types of blacks he doesn't like or other aspects of black American culture he denied his true feelings until he exploded.

But Richards, like many libs, super libs and even conservatives, are afraid of their true feelings.  Using a form of social and psychological extortion the PC crowd of our world has convinced far too many people that they should be ashamed of their prejudices and that their is something morally wrong with favoring your own race or not wanting to be around other races and ethnicities as often as your own.  Strangely and statistically this is the way the world is yet the PC crowd forces this hypocritical belief system of denial upon everyone and the minute someone is willing to say, "I simply prefer my own race" they are automatically a racist or when they express digust for unpleasant and hypocritical behavior or characteristics of another race or ethnicity they are a racist. 

This really is a pathetic world when people are too ashamed to admit what is natural, and that is they prefer the company of those like themselves.  That isn't racist, sexist or anything but normality.  Most blacks marry blacks, asians, asians, whites, whites and hispanics marry hispanics and by PC standards I guess that makes everyone a racist.

This really is a PC world gone mad.

I am a member of LSCA (Lazy Spell Checkers Anonymous).

GAT

I'm still waiting for the audience member to apologize for his racial slurrs(white cracka- and whatever else), or for any news station of the talking heads to EVEN MENTION the idea.

It's completely lost upon the whole entire MSM.

When is Kanye West going to

When is Kanye West going to be asked to apologize to the President?

And about the "n" word, it obviously isn't that negative a word if it is acceptable for blacks to use it . If we follow that logic, does that mean it's okay for a black man to call another black man's mom a crack whore, since both are black? Does that also mean it would be okay for blacks to own slaves but not okay for whites?

Either it's a bad word or it isn't. Pick one, and stick with it.

And by the way, I think it's pretty pathetic that anyone would let a word have so much power over their lives, white or black, gay or straight, or whatever you are.

Kramer compared to George Allen. Will we see the story?

I am waiting for the story comparing Kramer to George Allen!  My money is on the Washington Post.  Famed Hollywood liberal Kramer allegedly used the N-word, but more importantly, remember that George Allen allegedly used the N-word 30 years ago!"  Oh wait, this is post-election, no need, Allen lost.

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lol don't feed- you bet your

lol don't feed- you bet your maccacca the M word is them ost offensive word.

http://sacredscoop.com

WaPo Compares Kramer and George Allen

Washington Post...clear winner.  Article draws comparison between Kramer and George Allen!  Now let's see The Post runs front page stories for the next 8 weeks on Kramer's "botched joke".

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what are you all so upset abo

what are you all so upset about.  he is a liberal.  he can say whatever he wants because he opposes bush and the war in iraq.

when will blacks realize they are tools of the liberals?

never

They will never learn--I fear!

Lets not kid ourselves folks.

Lets not kid ourselves folks.  The only reason the media went after Gibson concerning his drunken tirade about Jews, was because he made a film depicting the last days of Jesus Christ, based on historical documentation

These people loath the concept of God and anybody representing HIM.

Easy with that "historic

Easy with that "historical documentation" business.  Gibson based this movie also on bits of Jewish mysticism and teachings from his own church.  When he was confronted about his portrayal being too anti-semitic, he adamantly denied any animosity towards Judaism and Jews in general. 

We all know how that turned out.