It was a pretty funny “Real Time with Bill Maher” on HBO this past Friday, although not for the reasons the host would have preferred. Maher invited deposed CBS anchor Dan Rather on to discuss whatever he wanted with total impunity, and what ensued was a full-fledged Fox News hate-fest. However, that wasn’t the funniest part, for Rather actually had the gall to insinuate that FNC gets talking points from the White House, and was doing its darnedest to influence the elections that just transpired.
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Honestly, I’ve had to use four boxes of Kleenex to dry off my laptop in order to post this article for your reading pleasure.
Those unpleasantries out of the way, Maher opened this part of the discussion with the following (video available here courtesy of our friend at Ms Underestimated):
I want to bring your attention to something that was on my friend Arianna Huffington’s blog today, the Huffington Post, it was an internal memo from Fox News, an organization I guess that would never hire you. And it says, “Be on the lookout for any statements from the Iraqi insurgents thrilled at the prospect of a Democratic controlled Congress.” That strikes me as the opposite of journalism, as looking for the end of the story before you find what the real truth is.
This seemed a bizarre set-up for a man whose entire career was precisely based on looking for the end of the story with total disregard for what the real truth was. Or, maybe I was confusing Maher with a real journalist, and therefore, the fault was mine for not expecting exactly what I received.
Regardless, Rather adroitly took the ball from his witting host, and ran with it:
Well, I think it’s fair to say, Bill – in fact I know it is – that Fox News operates, at least in a somewhat different way, than every other news organization that I know, that they have their talking points. In other words, somebody in the hierarchy, whether this is Roger Ailes who runs the place or not, we know that they get talking points from the White House, and they can say, “Well, we don’t always take those talking points.”
Of course, that's not something Rather ever had to admit to. After all, any sane person in America knew full well that was the case when Bill Clinton was in office. But, I digress:
But I think it’s pretty clear that they had wished the elections had gone the other way, and they sought to position their programming which would raise as many questions about it as possible. They may consider that as unfair, but I that’s why any reasonable objectivity is what they were after – that they wanted to frame the news in a certain way actually before the news happened. That’s not a crime. That’s not an indictable offense. This is America. They can do what they want to do. But I think that’s the perspective through which one should view it.
Of course, Rather likely knows what he speaks, as it was so clear to his former employer – the not-so right leaning CBS – that he was getting information from presidential candidate John Kerry in 2004, and trying to influence that election, that the not-so right leaning CBS fired him.
But, that’s beside the point, isn’t it?
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Even if Fox News did drop t
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 00:52 ET by joe conservativeEven if Fox News did drop the "fair & balanced" masquerade, their integrity would still be in question. Their routine deceit runs much deeper than their insincere slogan.
I got this one, Blonde.TROL
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 01:07 ET by Mean Gene Dr. LoveI got this one, Blonde.
TROLL!!
'When you wade into political life you have every right to say what you want, but you cannot in turn argue that no one has the right to take you on'... --Rush Limbaugh
TROLL!!
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 01:10 ET by ww thumperTROLL!! Me too ww :^}
Clapping!!!! Laughing!!!Way
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 01:13 ET by BlondeClapping!!!! Laughing!!!
Way to go, guys!
DAMN! A day late and a dollar
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 07:29 ET by Indiana JoeDAMN! A day late and a dollar short, again!
Caught you folks' act on the other thread!!!
SHACK!!!
ROTFLMAO!!!
"Missed it by...that much!" - Maxwell Smart
May I puuuuuhhhhhhleeeeeeeeez
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 14:06 ET by Dave RMay I puuuuuhhhhhhleeeeeeeeeze have the next one?
Troll Responses
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 17:49 ET by BlondeDave R,
Next one is all yours.
Don't know how long you've been reading here, but we had a gig going for a while with a particularly nasty troll. Every time he'd pop in, we'd hit him with a "Hello Dolly" (ht lcbdawn) or "baaaaahhhh". That worked pretty well too.
Another great one was "derka derka". About time to bring that one back.
I remember the hater guy from
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 17:56 ET by Dave RI remember the hater guy, along with all of his aliases from back when I was a lurker here, as well as some others. I saw your post mentioning Joe C. as being particularly annoying, as well. Must agree there.
I've noticed you have a knack for ignoring them. Wish I had it, too. Sometimes I just cannot resist.
Oh yeah, Dave R.The hater-sus
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 18:13 ET by BlondeOh yeah, Dave R.
The hater-suspense meter gets pegged on red occasionally, and not just by me.
We had a couple of cute trolls, though, and one who's disappeared for quite a while, old JoZeF (screen name JosephF). Who's posts were so amazingly over the top they were side-splittingly funny. And pounced upon, and mimicked (sp?) by all.
We all have our weaknesses, troll-wise, Dave.
I'm trying to do a little troll-intervention with shawn, but it looks like it's not working out too well.
It being a slow news day, and all.
Since he probably has multipl
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 18:30 ET by Dave RSince hater probably has multiple screen names pending at this very moment, I think next time he swerves (slithers?) in here, we should suggest that the next screen name he should apply for is Richard Cranium. I know his posts are literally torture to read and to avoid, but seeing them under the heading of Richard Cranium Says: would at least make it tolerable, if not down right amusing.
hater
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 18:38 ET by misterbillI prefer the name Richy Ectum for him. He has a problem he can't scratch.
Dave, Caught your act with &q
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 18:14 ET by Indiana JoeDave,
Caught your act with "little joe" consevative on that other thread, the one about Viet Nam. Wasn't that him, too? I think so...<edit> Wait, maybe it was "truconserve?" Saw him lurking about today, too. Another one? Does D-Con make "troll-pruf?" <end edit>
I engaged him once, and discovered there's no "there" there. A bad case of cephalic rectitis. I've since just ignored him, but I may steal a page from Blonde's BIg Book of Troll-Bashing! (h/t, Blonde)
Anyway, between you and acumen, he slunk off with his tail between his legs! I think his brain was fried from the actual logic and facts you threw at him. Was pretty plain he finally P'd you Off, ROYALLY!!! Lots of fun to read!
So, you had yours today already! BIG-TIME! LOL .... ;^)
Yeah, Joe made like Houdini a
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 18:25 ET by Dave RYeah, Joe made like Houdini and just evaporated. I've noticed they do that a lot. I think its just to make you type all that stuff, then they bail. Or maybe it's because they cannot find anyone to read it to them. Who knows?
Now this is a serious questio
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 16:35 ET by Ruths husband BenNow this is a serious question (I always believed that there is no such thing as stupid questions, just stupid people asking questions) from one who is fairly new to the blogs. What exactly is a "troll"? I mean, I recognize that that guy is a jerk, but all jerks are not trolls, are they?
Thanks in advance for any help here,
Ben
-Seriously stupid person asking stupid question.
Bomb thrower
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 17:32 ET by nkviking75In 'netspeak, a troll comes into a group like this and tosses bombs, with little or no interest in a serious debate. A troll likes to be the center of attention and will frequently say wild, baseless stuff that he/she knows will rile up the group. Engaging a troll tends to lead to mass quantities of name calling and personal insults.
Nice Explanation
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 17:46 ET by BlondeNK,
Nice explanation.
Our newest troll, joe conservative, was most annoying last night. So every time he posted some other piece of inflammatory verbiage, I responded "Troll"....which was picked up by several others. Worked rather well.
Not engaging trolls is harder than it should be. ;-)
Blonde,I miss those lazy summ
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 18:49 ET by Conservative in the ArtsBlonde,
I miss those lazy summer days of troll bashing. Now I'm so busy I'm even lucky if I can read just the home page. I came home last night and told my wife the DOD scientist debate I had and how I missed getting into hard debates like I did this summer on NB.
Thanks to you, and the other
Sun, 11/19/2006 - 07:56 ET by Ruths husband BenThanks to you, and the other guys.
-Ben
What was her name. The name
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 09:10 ET by danboWhat was her name. The name Rather never could say. Juanita? Juanita? Oh what was her name? Juanita Broddrick?
Good old Rathernot. Never could say that name.
Can he say Chappaquiddick?
"Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of truth and knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods." Albert Einstein
Faux News
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 11:09 ET by shawn228Amen to that Joe. Faux News is the most biased News Channel by far, remember when they tried to pass Foley off as a Democrat?
Oh sure. And CBS keeps tryi
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 11:14 ET by Jack BauerOh sure. And CBS keeps trying to pass Katie Couric off as a journalist.
Proud member of the all-powerful and vast
militarist/industrialist/capitalist/zionist-bagelist complex
What would the real Jack Bauer do?
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 11:50 ET by shawn228Katie Couric is new at this and will only get better with more experience. She has accomplished an amazing feat by being the first female anchor for a major network. Like Nancy Pelosi or not she is also the first female speaker of the house. Both women have set major benchmarks.
Also the real Jack Bauer would torture who ever he needs to expose all the lies this administration has done. Although the web of lies is unraveling before our very eyes everyday
Shawn
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 12:04 ET by Noel SheppardShawn,
Could you do us all a favor? Whenever you cut-and-paste DUmmie and/or DKos talking points, we would all appreciate it if you would provide the link to the posts and/or diaries. It actually makes it much more entertaining for us.
Thank you in advance. :-) ns
Noel,So sorry buddy, but I
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 12:12 ET by shawn228Noel,
So sorry buddy, but I don't know who Dummie or DKo is. I guess I don't have your degree of intelligence so perhaps you could explain it to me.
:-) Shawn
Shawn
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 12:38 ET by Noel SheppardShawn,
With all due respect given your newness to this board, it is rather hypocritical to mock the intelligence of someone while practically with the same keystroke feign ignorance concerning one of the most popular political websites on the planet. :-) ns
Noel
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 12:44 ET by BlondeNoel,
I was wondering how you were going to handle this. Nicely done.
Noel, I see the same thing
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 12:48 ET by hydrodynDMNoel,
I see the same thing in my classes. Two students hand in exactly the same homework and when they ask me why they got zeros and I explain that they are copies, they pretend that they didn't quite know the difference between working together (which I encourage) and copying.
Yea, right. Playing stupid doesn't fool anyone.
By the say, nice call on the Pilsner Urquell. My parents are Czech and I practically grew up on the stuff.
Hydro
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 13:05 ET by Noel SheppardHydro,
Probably my favorite beer right now, although I am also partial to Spaten. However, of late, Pilsner on tap has become very popular at my haunts. I believe they are distributed by one of the larger American companies, and, as a result, are becoming more prevalent and less expensive. My BevMo here had twelve-packs for $12 yesterday. One of those times I wish I had a truck or an SUV. :-) ns
If you like Spaten, then I ca
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 19:16 ET by NL207If you like Spaten, then I can recommend these: Weian-Stephaner and Paulaner.
If you like Pilsener Urquell, then you shou taste the real Budweiser, though it might be hard to get here in the US. Its easy to find in all metro areas of Germany, even in the North.
NL
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 20:05 ET by Noel SheppardNL,
I've had Paulaner. The other one doesn't ring a bell. The "real" Budweiser? What might that be? ns
Budveis, out of either the Cz
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 20:20 ET by saw the lightBudveis, out of either the Czech Republic or Slovakia, right? Anheuser-Busch has been in legal battles with them over the rights to the name Budweiser. I think A-B won.
"People everywhere confuse what they read in newspapers with news." - A.J. Liebling
Weian-Stephaner is another of
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 20:26 ET by NL207Weihen-Stephaner is another of the famous Munich Pilseners. It is a smooth, full bodied beer much like the Paulaner and Spaten lagers. It shares a common ancestry with most of the realy good Bavarian brews, it was once owned by the Catholic Church. I have seen it in specialty beer stores here in the US, but I have only ever tasted it in Germany.
The Real Budweiser is made in the Czech Republic, and other than the name, has nothing in in common with the Busch brew of St. Louis, MO. Its full name is Budweiser Budvar and is brewed in Ceske Budejovice, Czeh Republic. it is near Pilzn in the Sudatenland. This link might help. http://www.budvar.cz/ I have never seen this in the US. My only taste experiences with it are from Deutschland.
NL
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 20:29 ET by Noel SheppardNL,
Some day, I will go to Germany during Oktoberfest. As a beer lover, it will be heaven. ns
Why wait for an Oktoberfeist?
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 20:37 ET by NL207Why wait for an Oktoberfeist? These beers are sold there year-round. There are only a few seasonal brews you would miss, and the Maiboch beers are spring seasonals anyway. May, just before the summer travel season , is a great time to get discount fares to Frankfurt. Travel is mostly safe there. the terrorists have tried to bomb the trains several times this year and the German police keep thwarting them.
The northern german beers are worth investigating too. They tend to be a little hoppier than their southern cousins. I have some personal favorites from that region as well. In fact, ther are anly two beers in Germany I would characterize as spuelwasser: Any Alt bier and Dortmunder Union.
NL
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 20:42 ET by Noel SheppardNL,
I think we've discussed beer before. One of my favorites that I haven't seen anywhere in years is Dortmunder Kronen. Incredible beer that had to be sold as a malt liquor here because of its alcohol content. They also made a lager called Pilskron. Awesome stuff.
I guess my Oktoberfest fascination is just the whole celebration component, or is that overblown? ns
If you like to drink your bee
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 20:59 ET by NL207If you like to drink your beer in a big crowd and pay much higher prices for it than normal, Oktoberfest is just the right thing. And you will need to speak German to appreciate what's going on in your surroundings. I find Bavarian speakers are difficult for me to understand.
The beer is sold by the liter and half liter. The rest of the year, its sold in 0.3 and half liter glasses. The mas come out for the fest.
NL
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 21:03 ET by Noel SheppardNL,
I'm sold. Heck with Oktoberfest. Somebody get me a beer. ns
I'll second that. Drinki
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 21:06 ET by NL207I'll second that. Drinking beer is a infinitely preferrable to listening to clueless liberals whine that Bush lied.
Noel, I'll give you a tip if
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 20:39 ET by mandrakeNoel, I'll give you a tip if you do make it to Oktoberfest. You have to get there in afternoon to get a table. If you find a good table, hang on to it. Now you have to pace yourself. Because around 10 pm, the Omp Pah Pah bands leave and they bring out the Rock bands...then the party really begins ;-)
Mandrake
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 20:45 ET by Noel SheppardMandrake,
Now we're talking! Boy, that's a lot of time, and a lot of beer to get to the good bands. :-) ns
Mandrake,I was in Germany whi
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 20:49 ET by BlondeMandrake,
I was in Germany while the "Wall was coming down". It was a trip!
We were in a beer hall in Munich. We came in, sat down, and were warmly greeted by the most charming (granted, he was smashed) apple cheeked Bavarian gentleman. Upon figuring out we were American...he had the entire table toasting, and shouting "We love Ronald Reagan" over and over again. It was amazing.
Thanks for reminding me of my not-quite-Octoberfest beer hall experience.
Noel, on the bullet train fro
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 20:28 ET by BufordNoel, on the bullet train from Paris to London several years ago they offered what they called the Original Anhauser beer. Not being a connoissoeur but a consumer, I didn't find it special. But then with a moniker like "Buford" you can imagine that it doesn't take much to make me happy!
Buford
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 20:46 ET by Noel SheppardBuford,
Well, I've never had any beer on a train that didn't taste good. :-) ns
Noel,Yes i might have b
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 12:55 ET by shawn228Noel,
Yes i might have been a little sarcastic, but so were you, so i responded in kind.
I am not being snide in anyway by saying this, even though you don't agree with my opinion I thank you and this website for letting me expressmy points of view. There are other GOP websites out there ie www.redstate.com that kick you off for disagreeing with them. So no hard feelings
Shawn
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 13:00 ET by Noel SheppardShawn,
No hard feelings here, either. And, thanks for recognizing that we are one of the few sites on either side of the aisle that welcomes opposing viewpoints. You will find that I am extremely cordial to all participants, and will engage anyone who displays respect and courtesy. After all, as I have said here on many occasions, in the end, we are all Americans regardless of our political proclivities. Frankly, I would find this country rather boring and pointless if we all agreed.
Welcome aboard, and keep fighting the good and gracious fight. :-) ns
Noel,I hate to butt in here (
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 14:25 ET by Dave RNoel,
I hate to butt in here (well, not really) but I have to tell you that you have just delivered what I deem to be one of the classiest and most elegant electronic a**-kickings I have seen since the beginning of the internet. Around here we would refer to it as opening up the whole can of whoop*ss. Well, the electronic version, anyway.
Well done!
I'd buy you a beer if I could.
It was a pleasure to read, being that I am stuck here in the office waiting for our field crews to come in from doing God only knows what.
Just last night I got into a
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 16:16 ET by Conservative in the ArtsJust last night I got into a heated argument / debate with a DOD scientist about his regilous belief in "global warming" and how evil we Republicans are for denying the facts and due process of checks and balances. I countered that if the science was true then we would do something, but it's all scare tatics and gave the 2000 arsenic in water trap that Clinton left for Bush.
he counters with science of the arsenic and that despite the fact that Bush just put it back to where it was for all 8 years of Clintons reign the science was true and it needed to be done. (perfect set up for me...watch for it now)
I smiled and then replyed that if the science was true then why did Clinton have to sign it as a executive order, instead of going thru the system of debates in Congress. "because it had to be done, there was no other way. It wouldn't get past Congress"
Smiling even bigger I counter with "so let me get this straight, the very thing that makes Bush an evil power hungry nazi dictator, gets full praise and 'it had to be done' for Billy Boy? nice double standard there." And walked away knowing he was slammed against that hard wall called logic.
Thx Noel
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 16:52 ET by shawn228Thank you for welcoming me Noel. You are a very classy person, you debate with facts instead of personal attacks like some Bozo's i have already encountered . Just to clarify, I do not hate Republicans. If Guiliani ran I would probably vote for him over Hilary. I am also a fan of John M ccain.
wave goodby now
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 13:07 ET by tumblerSo, Shawn,
Wave by bye, now. You lost that web of lies you were craving for.
Du and Kos: They are sites wh
Sun, 11/19/2006 - 08:23 ET by Andrew H.Du and Kos: They are sites where the goofiest gather to blather and rather than learn anything new and real, in their zeal, use profanity to feel and steal. The kids issues forbids lids on speech and would rather screech--favor the leech, and teach the rest of us, the best of us about important matters to them like socialized medicine, gay "rights," how dumb President Bush is, how the "repugs" stole elections and how the money should be theirs, honey--they hate republicans and conservatives--really hate, masturbate late (into the night) and relate how unfair the world is and their fate. They are kids who don't have a job, won't take a job and can only lob silly potions and notions of emotions.
Why the babies at Du even had a thread once calling for the outlawing of religion. My, my.
Never relent.
shawn228, Ok, lets assume t
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 12:06 ET by hydrodynDMshawn228,
Ok, lets assume that you are correct, that Fox News didn't make a simple mistake.
That means that someone in the chain of command at Fox made the conscious decision that their evil deed of the day would be to try to trick it's viewers into thinking Foley was a Democrat... something that a five year old could verify is incorrect.
While they were at it - you know - saying things that anyone watching any other news show would know wasn't true - why not say that Foley was a Democrat and a two headed troll that eats children?
Wow. If that's the extent of Fox News ability to trick it's gullible viewership, then you guys who disapprove of Fox so much have nothing to worry about. Their attempts at deceit are nowhere at the level of ... say ... CBS and their fancy forgeries.
Hydro
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 12:09 ET by Noel SheppardHydro,
Also, let's not forget that CNN a few weeks later put a "D" next to Michael Steele's name. As such, these errors occur all the time.
For financial reasons, I watch a lot of CNBC in the morning, and I'm astounded by the number of spelling errors and such in the captions section. This kind of stuff happens all the time, and is by no means indicative of bias. ns
Noel, I think anyone who is
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 12:13 ET by hydrodynDMNoel,
I think anyone who isn't hell bent on attacking Fox News with every breath they can muster would acknowledge that these mistakes happen often enough.
It's just funny seeing libs fall all over themselves over something so insignificant. It's pretty telling, actually. If Fox News was such a mouth piece for the Republicans, you would think they could come up with something more damning than this Foley thing.
hydrodnDM, The Foley thi
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 12:31 ET by shawn228hydrodnDM,
The Foley thing is only a small part of the Fox's lies, but I won't get into it now. I do realize that Liberal's tend to fall over themselves over insignificant things like
: Bush saying it was never about "stay the course" when he said it 26 times
: Karl Rove telling reporters when asked about the poll #'s prior to the election "your entitled to your math i'm entitled to the math"
: Bush saying he will keep Cheney and Rumsfeld to end of his term and getting rid of Rumsfeld the day after the election
Oh and one more insignificant thing, The Dems now control both chambers of Congress!!!!!!!
shan228 I'm going to keep y
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 12:42 ET by hydrodynDMshan228
I'm going to keep your post on file because you have just given all of us a perfect example of "changing the topic".
You see, we were talking about Fox News and their attempt to trick people with a lie so obvious than anyone with half a brain could have checked it.
But rather than address that topic, you decided to "change the topic" and instead threw out a (very unoriginal) list of things that I guess is suppose to show that the current administration consists of a bunch of liers. I guess the assumption here is that the Democrats aren't. Good luck with that.
Look up the term "non sequitur".
hDM,Still teaching class on S
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 12:55 ET by BlondehDM,
Still teaching class on Saturday?
Etiquette for New Posters 101.
Laughing. ;-)
Blonde, It's in my blood -
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 13:01 ET by hydrodynDMBlonde,
It's in my blood - I can't help myself.
Although it might explain why I'm convinced that every person who posts incoherent arguments on here is a teenager. I basically see the same thing in my classes on a daily basis.
Was that incoherent? Ug.
hDM,Not at all. That must b
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 13:07 ET by BlondehDM,
Not at all. That must be really difficult to deal with on a daily basis. I sympathize, and I admire your patience.
Gotta run...have a good one.
hydrodynDMActually I do not
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 13:08 ET by shawn228hydrodynDM
Actually I do not think I changed the topic. With the exceptions of the Dems taking congress Fox news did not have any reporters question why Bush denied saying "Stay the course" That was his main slogan. They never also never questioned how Karl Rove got "the math" so wrong.
Are you sure this is not sour grapes about the President being a "Lame Duck" who probably will not be impeached , but investigated up the Wazoo
shawn228, You didn't say an
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 13:22 ET by hydrodynDMshawn228,
You didn't say anything about how Fox reported the things on your list. Nice attempt at explaining what you really meant, though.
That aside, your suggestion that Fox is oh so biased because it chooses to emphasis some aspects of a story and not others is stunningly insightful. I'm curious. Would you acknowldge that news organization like ABC, CBS, NBC and CNN constantly make a habit of questioning the motives of Republicans but not so much Democrats? You might want to look throught the archives of this website before you answer that.
Oh. And that last bit in your post about "sour grapes". That's known as an "ad hominem". You might want to look that up as well.
sham228 "facts"
Sun, 11/19/2006 - 08:58 ET by SportPoliticshydrodynDM, I'll answer for your destruction of sham228, in his own words:
[Faux News is the most biased News Channel by far]
[ I'm not going to get into it now ]
[ I never learned to say "Faux" news at DU or DKo, because as the only polite poster that hasn't bashed me or called me names pointed out I'm too stupid to know about the most popular political site on my side of the aisle, being a ranting lunatic troll here, just like any other liberal idiot, is tough if you don't attack the ONLY non-liberal TV news channel]
correction, it's majority
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 15:19 ET by tumblerShawn, grow up,
"Oh and one more insignificant thing, The Dems now control both chambers of Congress!!"
No, they don't control either chamber. They have majorities, but still don't control Congress. Republicans have to agree with their gig; otherwise they'll be stymied.
This as well as a presidential iron in the fire: Veto power. Just like them brandin irons down at the Ranch. W can place a hot iron on the Dem's ass whenever he sees fit. They haven't the necessary votes to overturn it either. "Sizzzz! Ooooh, dat hurts!"
Shawn, grow up,"Oh and o
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 16:44 ET by shawn228Lol, no what really hurts is people like you that vote for the Shrub to be the leader of the free world. Well we found out the American people did not want to fall for a third time didn't we? Am I misquoting your leader, when he said " We took a thumpin" ??Ok, to humour you, the Dems have the majority. Is it fair to say they control things like say the Judicial Committee. Bye Bye Arlen.
They might not have the power to override a Veto, but they can prevent another conservative like Alito to nominated. Good luck to Bush on getting that nutjob John Bolton to permanent US ambassador.
People like you never fail to amaze me. Your one of the types thats loves the fetus but hates the baby. That must be horrible way to go through life. Im sorry I pity you :(
human beings, Shawn
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 17:12 ET by tumblerNot "types" but human beings. Yes, we love a living fetus; your camp loves the death of that unborn baby. You care about babies? Then come into the Republican party and protect the unborn one, because he/she is going to die if it's up to Democrats and their "choices" --That's certifiable.
"Bye Bye Arlen"One
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 18:30 ET by saw the light"Bye Bye Arlen"
One thing conservatives and liberals can agree!
"...the American people did not want to fall for a third time..."
I believe that the Bush/Rove team won three elections. 2000, 2002, and 2004.
Nominating conservatives is a bad thing? When Clinton nominated Ginsburg with a Republican Senate, she was approved with over 90 votes. Why? Because Republicans recognize that the President gets to nominate whoever he wants, and the Senate only offers "advice and consent." Absent a major character flaw, nominations should be approved. But to liberals, I guess being a conservative is a major character flaw.
"People everywhere confuse what they read in newspapers with news." - A.J. Liebling
Fun fact: Ginsburg was reco
Sun, 11/19/2006 - 02:26 ET by joe conservativeFun fact: Ginsburg was recommended to the bench by none other than Orin Hatch. Bush will now have to get some input from Kennedy or watch his nominees go down in flames.
If that's true--big mistake--
Sun, 11/19/2006 - 07:48 ET by Andrew H.If that's true--big mistake--but its' not--there's diiference between making the recommendation and letting the nominees have an up and down vote. The gentlemanly Republican approach to a dem President's nominees has been to let the senate decide and in the case of Ginsberg, the country received a long term srewing. We should decide to handle this issue differently. It appears the dem approach is better--filibuster.
Never relent.
Oh and one more insignificant
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 15:43 ET by Dave ROh and one more insignificant thing, The Dems now control both chambers of Congress!!!!!!!
As coach Jerry Glanville once said, NFL=Not For Long.
So, I take it Mr. Bush doesn't have the right to change his mind, eh? When Clinton got himself elected governor of Arkansas, he told everyone who would listen that he had no plans to run for president, and that he would serve out his term.
Well, it didn't happen that way, yet I heard not one peep of a complaint from the bedwetting liberal media.
And don't even get me started on all the times that that Arkansas potentate-wanna-be changed his mind or just outright lied while he was in office. I doubt this site has the space for it.
hydrodnDM, The Foley thi
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 12:31 ET by shawn228That is the best post you hav
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 15:45 ET by Dave RThat is the best post you have placed in this thread so far!
Katie Couric is new at this a
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 12:07 ET by BlondeKatie Couric is new at this and will only get better with more experience.
She could hardly get worse. If it makes you happy, you watch her. No one else seems to be overjoyed by Katie's non-performance after achieving this great journalistic milestone.
Katie, Nancy; Nancy, Katie
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 21:09 ET by nkviking75Will Nancy Pelosi be the Katie Couric of House Speakers, or is Katie the Pelosi of news anchors?
You need to get higher quality crack sister...
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 12:09 ET by Guy Arthur ThomasI think the quality of the crack you are using is poor and probably you should find a more reputable dealer. Couric...get better...hahahahahahahahahaha. Listen, there is no feat here, this is a minor leaguer wrongly brought up to the majors. Couric has already bombed and her numbers continue to drop, she is at best a spokeswoman for dependent and syncophantic housewifes from the Today Show. I give her credit for one thing, taking mediocre talent and bamboozling a lot of people with a lot of nothing, but hey, her audience is comprised of "asleep at the wheel Crybaby Boomers and their offspring" so in this day and age it requires little depth and little substance to even appear jounalistically legitimate. But then you probably think Nancy Grace is quality television and The Lifetime Channel is a winner...hahahahahahahahahaha.
I am a member of LSCA (Lazy Spell Checkers Anonymous).
We'll see if the benchmarks t
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 12:14 ET by Andrew H.We'll see if the benchmarks they set are nothing but a failure. So far it doesn't look good for either.
Never relent.
"Katie Couric is new at
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 12:31 ET by Chris Norman"Katie Couric is new at this and will only get better with more experience..."
CBS sure is paying out a boat load in salary to someone who needs more "experience". Hell of an anchor training program they're running there. Where does one pick up an application?
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
- Arabian Proverb
first female anchor
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 13:22 ET by g leeConnie Chung was the first female anchor.
No, she wasn't....Barbara Wal
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 13:49 ET by kathleenirishNo, she wasn't....Barbara Walters co-hosted the ABC News with Harry Reasoner, I believe, but my memory might be off. He hated Barbara, just like Dan facturally-challenged Blather hated Connie Chung. The media is full of white men who hate women but talk out of both sides of their liberal, biased mouths.
"He who has a thousand friends has not a friend to spare, and he who has one enemy will meet him everywhere" -Ali ibn-Abi-Talib, 4th Islamic Caliph
Connie Chung was the first female anchor.
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 17:03 ET by shawn228Connie Chung was the first female anchor.
Katie Couric is the first solo female anchor. Happy now:)
Connie Chung was the first female anchor.
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 17:04 ET by shawn228Katie Couric is new No, she
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 14:15 ET by Jack BauerKatie Couric is new
No, she's 49. That's not new, so stop passing her off as such.
And she's also not the first female "anchor." Though she may be the first former cheerleader to be an anchor. (Anyone know if Cronkite was ever a cheerleader?)
Apart from that, well done!
Proud member of the all-powerful and vast
militarist/industrialist/capitalist/zionist-bagelist complex
(Anyone know if Cronkite was
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 16:02 ET by Dave R(Anyone know if Cronkite was ever a cheerleader?)
Actually, he was a cheerleader for the dems his entire broadcasting career.
Albeit in a decidedly non-per
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 16:07 ET by Chris NormanAlbeit in a decidedly non-perky way.
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
- Arabian Proverb
Pelosi 1st Woman Speker of the House
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 14:54 ET by Amanda JusticeShawn, you guys gotta be proud of the fact that Pelosi is the first female Spear of the House. Funny though, you didn't seem to give a damn about Dr. Rice being the first ever black female as Secretary of State. And yes, I believe my position is true. Lexus Nexis has 476 articles touting Nancy's "historic" win, yet only 77 articles about Dr. Rice being the first black female Secretary of State. Nice "fair and balanced" for you idiots on the left, huh? But then again, I guess it truly is an extreme achievement for any liberal to succeed at anything - like completely escape Abscam indictment. Heh.
Oh, something I also noticed about "shawn:" In one comment, he completely knows how to edit, punctuate, and capitalize "I;" yet in others, his punctuation is spotty (at best), and his capitalization is crap. Just an abservation.
be proud of the fact
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 15:05 ET by tumblerWhere Plastic Face Nan is concerned, these sycophants can be proud she is relatively untainted so far with corruption on a vast scale, as her cohorts Murtha, Jefferson, and Rodham Clinton are. Nancy is independently wealthy. She isn't yet having her palms greased. Tomorrow, who knows?
Queen Botox won't be able to
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 16:23 ET by Conservative in the ArtsQueen Botox won't be able to squeze her hand to take the money. Her aids will have to do it.
Just an abservationHmmm, well
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 17:00 ET by shawn228Amanda Justice
Just an abservation
Hmmm, well I guess I should not take spelling lessons from you then. I actually think it is a remarkable achievment for a woman especially a black woman to be the Secretary of State. I'm not ignoring the fact, but It is old news....like Don Rumseld:)
shawn228
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 17:11 ET by BlondeNB Posting Etiquette 101:
Slamming another poster's grammar, and particularly spelling, is considered to be extremely impolite.
In fact, if you resort to that type of behaviour, by default, you lose the argument. We're not trying to write a college thesis here, but to debate issues.
My goodness
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 17:24 ET by shawn228Oh, something I also noticed about "shawn:" In one comment, he completely knows how to edit, punctuate, and capitalize "I;" yet in others, his punctuation is spotty (at best), and his capitalization is crap. Just an abservation.
Blonde,
Good lord, lol...I thought you hated the biased liberal media. Amanda Justice just slammed me on punctation, capilization, now you are slamming me for saying something about her spelling??? Could you please explain why I am the bad one here, except I disagree with most people on the board?
If that is true then I hope both Amanda Justice and I lose by default
Blonde,Just keep spanking. It
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 17:31 ET by Dave RBlonde,
Just keep spanking. It will sink in eventually. I think.....
Blonde: It is wise to have yo
Sun, 11/19/2006 - 08:41 ET by Andrew H.Blonde: It is wise to have your doubts.
Never relent.
shawn
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 17:41 ET by Blondeshawn228,
Since you asked nicely....and I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt, for now.
I believe Amanda's critique of your post refers to the fact that we have had a good number of posters here, who have exhibited multiple personality disorders (not to mention multiple screen names). They start out with a certain style, perhaps rather literate, but when under fire, revert back to their old trollish styles...down to the misspelling, punctuation, grammatical construction, etc. It's as much of a signature as a screen name. Does this make sense?
My post to you, which I hope you'll take in the same vein as Noel's, is that you're free to disagree here, as long as you don't resort name calling, trollishness, and general ugliness....as in criticizing grammar and particularly spelling (which could be typo's...I can't type nearly as well on my laptop).
Jury is still out on you, shawn. Fair warning.
Jury is still out on you, sha
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 17:44 ET by Dave RJury is still out on you, shawn. Fair warning.
Shawn, I think you have just been placed on double secret probation.
Play nice, otherwise Blonde will take you to the woodshed. Again
Dave R.Laughing. At your gr
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 17:53 ET by BlondeDave R.
Laughing. At your great post, and by the loud silence I'm hearing.
I was unusually nice, I thought. I'm trying to emulate Noel and hydrodyneDM.
you were excoriating someone
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 17:57 ET by tumblerWeren't you calling another contributor "Boring, so boring!" Last evening? Well; show us a post off yours with more. These above are like sleeping pills, Dear. Not at all exciting.
Yes tumbler,I specifically ca
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 18:02 ET by BlondeYes tumbler,
I specifically called YOU boring.
When you get on your deranged illegal immigrant rant, you are boring, boring, boring.
I could care less about anything YOU have to say, tumbler.
As long as you're not calling me a NAZI. Or any of the other nasty ugly things you've said about me (and others) here.
And if you want to start this flame war back up, I'll be happy to re-post all of your ugliness, in your own words, again, for your embarrasment for the ninth or tenth time.
no, it wasn't me
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 18:15 ET by tumblerNot me, Dear You said it to somebody who agreed with me. OK; but you are just spinning your old wheels today. Why don't you contribute something valuable? Something we may even remember after half an hour? TRY, you can do it!
P.S. I haven't any deranged illegal immigrant rant, just my insights into a serious subject, right or wrong. Whereas you-- you rant all day about a "Troll" who irritated you a little. If banal posting were NewsBuster's forte, you ought to be named Banality Editor.
Tumbler
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 18:20 ET by BlondeBanal Editor here.
Editing your banality, tumbler. Boring, boring, boring. And banal in the extreme.
You're also reading impaired, tumbler. I said "Boring, Tumbler, boring, boring Tumbler".
Again.
Yawn.
Done with you.
yeah, biting commentary
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 18:23 ET by tumblerOh, such biting (bat-like) commentary; she gets a Pulitzer for that one. I never knew you could write so, Blonde. Learned it in a women's penitentiary? Keep up the classes.
What, precisely, did you not
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 18:26 ET by BlondeWhat, precisely, did you not understand about "get lost"?
Yeah, I saluted Noel above,
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 18:03 ET by Dave RYeah, I saluted Noel above, as I thought it was particularly well done. One wonders if shawn even knew he had been zinged.
Those are the best ones, anyway.
Blonde
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 17:58 ET by shawn228Actually I don't think think it makes sense. She called my grammer crap and when I said one comment about her spelling, I got a scolding from you. Not very fair and balanced of you is it? I am not looking for a fight with anybody. If someone wants to debate the facts, I will debate the facts. If someone wants to make in personal, so be it.
shawn
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 18:07 ET by BlondeYou're missing the point. I hope that's not on purpose. Your reply is indicative, though, of your real reason for being here.
I'm not here to be fair and balanced. Quite frankly, I'm becoming tired of you already.
Nothing personal.
likewise
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 18:26 ET by shawn228I guess I am a dumb Liberal. I really don't get your point. Judging from Tumblers attitude towards you probably many don't. At least we established the fact that you are not "fair and balanced".
I'm getting pretty tired of you and Dave R. as well. Nothing personal :)
shawn,No problem. ;-)You wa
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 18:30 ET by Blondeshawn,
No problem. ;-)
You want to hang with tumbler, be my guest. Have fun.
Laughing. Thanks.
"I would also say that despair is not a method." ~Gen. John P. Abizaid, CENTCOM, in response to an idiotic, grand-standing statement by Hillary Clinton.
blonde -- hang with someone else??
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 18:35 ET by misterbillKeep up the good fight. When Shawn sticks his hand in the illegal immigrant trap and his new good buddy bites it off, that will be the biggest laugh of all.
Hey! What did I do?I was only
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 18:42 ET by Dave RI'm getting pretty tired of you and Dave R. as well. Nothing personal
Hey! What did I do?
I was only trying to warn you, that's all.
Geez.
Troll Patrol
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 18:46 ET by BlondeOkay Dave...turning it over to you, mrbill, DFTT, et. al. for a while.
You did nothing
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 19:16 ET by shawn228Thx for warnings Dave R. I am so frightenned about the fact that a bunch of conservatives want to squash my opinions. Thats new. I'm suprised Blonde and Tumbler don't get along, they seem like they are made for each other.
Blonde and Tumbler ? Easy.
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 19:19 ET by NL207Blonde and Tumbler ? Easy. Tumbler is not really a conservative. He is hypocritical on the immigration issue or ay other that is a personal issue for him.
All I'm trying to say shawn,
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 19:39 ET by Dave RAll I'm trying to say shawn, if you would just listen, is that you do not want to be tagged with the troll label here at NB.
Most of the people you are going to encounter on this site are extremely intelligent and quite well educated. They do not brooke fools easily. Most people here would be glad to debate you on just about anything, but when you start calling people names and making wild charges without any evidence whatsoever, they are going to ignore you. They just are.
For instance, Every time I encounter someone who starts spewing Bush lied, people died B.S., I ask them ONE SIMPLE QUESTION:
What, exactly, was the lie?
I have asked that at least 25 times, and I have yet to get an answer from any liberal on NB. Not one.
Bush Lies
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 20:42 ET by gjgil82I'll bite.
In May, 2003, Bush said on Polish TV that "We found weapons of mass destruction. We found bilogical laboratories." I'm sorry, but when you claim you "found" something, you better have some kind of photographic evidence to back it up. Where are the pics of the bio labs? Fact is, the Pentagon sent a team of scientists to investigate the trailers captured by US forces and the Kurds and determined they were not evidence of an Iraqi biological weapons program. Surprise, surprise.
Veteran's Day, 2005. Bush claims the Congress had access to the same intelligence the White House had and still voted to take action against Saddam. The fact is that Congress does not recieve sensitive items such as the Presidential Daily Briefing. Also, the National Intelligence Estimate was given to Congress just days before the vote was taken, and did NOT contain reservations about the quality of the intelligence expressed by members of the CIA, et, al.
So Bush has lied, and his lies have been very costly: hundreds of thousands maimed, tortured, killed; billions of dollars spent.
And, yes, I would agree that many on this post are extremely intelligent. Your intelligence does not, however make you right all the time. You will find that most liberals are also very intelligent, but we also get quite upset, and this will come out in "trollish" posts. Don't take it personal, we are just pissed at being fed lies by this adminstration.
gjgil82
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 20:59 ET by SportPoliticsbiolab trailer pic
I'm sure there are others that took me 10 seconds to find. I've seen a dozen others myself. Check the UN website if you're curious.
As to the WMD found , one of the posters here has a huge collection of links of the various WMD found in Iraq.
A little WMD is not necessarily a lot of WMD, so I guess some people call it no WMD.
gjgil82
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 21:06 ET by SportPoliticsThe fact is that the congress does not need the PDB, since they have TOTAL ACCESS to the cia stores of information concerning Iraq's WMD before the war, through the Intelligence Committee, which INVITED all 535 members of congress to go take a look at ALL the information themselves.
According to one report from an Intel Committee member I saw on TV, a total of 6 congresspersons showed up to examine the evidence. He could not name the congresspersons doing so due to the regulations.
So, the real truth is, the congress had access to any of the intel they so desired before the war, and even this many years later, we have nothing but after the fact cries that somehow someone fooled them.
George Tenet when asked by Bush if he was sure Iraq had WMD, his response was " SLAM DUNK !" - slick willie clintooooooon said the same thing, and on national TV announced a massive bombing of Iraq AFTER THE INPECTORS LEFT, because he HAD TO try to curtail Saddam's WMD manufacturing. That's what SLICK WILLIE HIMSELF SAID AND DID.
Ex post facto years later loser whining doesn't CHANGE THE fACTS, even though you try so hard to play dumb to them or NOT ADMIT THEM.
BUSH's LIES
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 21:29 ET by gjgil82Why the constant need to bring Clinton into this? We were discussing Bush's lies, not Clinton's. Here is a link to a report you may find interesting: http://feinstein.senate.gov/crs-intel.htm It is from the Congressional Research Service.
Bush lied.
Lets see how much you know.Ho
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 21:35 ET by BDLets see how much you know.
How many seperate rationales did the Bush administration put forth to both the UN and congress as reasons for destroying the Saddam Regime?
What was the first rationale? Hint, it had NOTHING to do with WMD.
Bush did not lie glgil82
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 22:00 ET by SportPoliticsThe Senior Executive Intelligence Brief (SEIB), known for decades as the National Intelligence Daily and viewed by the CIA as one of its flagship products, (44) is a daily publication containing six to eight relatively short articles or briefs covering an array of topics. The SEIB's format and content, although generally similar to that of the President's Daily Brief, usually(NOT ALWAYS) contains less information in order to protect intelligence sources and methods. (45) It is disseminated to several hundred senior executive branch policymakers and to the congressional oversight committees, and although prepared by the CIA, the SEIB is produced in coordination with other Intelligence Community producers. It is viewed as a current intelligence product in that it focuses on the events of the past day or two, or on issues expected to arise over the next few days. (46)
IN OTHER WORDS, CONGRESS HAD THE BIN LADEN TO ATTACK INSIDE THE USA AS WELL !!! PDB....
THEY GET A DAILY- ALMOST AN EXACTING COPY OF THE PRESIDENTS. OH WELL, DEMOCRATS IN CONGRESS LIED.
The President's Daily Brief (PDB) As previously mentioned, it consists of six to eight relatively short articles or briefs covering a broad array of topics (48) and is viewed as a current intelligence product, in that it focuses on the events of the past day or two, or on issues expected to arise over the next few days
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THAT'S FROM YOUR OWN LINK DARLING GLGIL82....
IN OTHER WORDS, THE CONGRESS GETS THE SAME DAMNED THING EVERYDAY. PDB AND SEIB - ALMOST EXACT COPIES.
OH WELL, YOU LIARS HAVE TRIED.
PS GJGIL82
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 22:08 ET by SportPoliticsgjgil82 [ Why the constant need to bring Clinton into this? We were discussing Bush's lies, not Clinton's. Here is a link to a report you may find interesting: http://feinstein.senate.gov/crs-intel.htm It is from the Congressional Research Service. Bush lied. ]
I never called clintooooon a liar in the matter, I pointed out he SAID THE EXACT SAME THINGS BUSH HAS, AND THEN WAR BOMBED OVER IT.
You want a "Bush lied" line, but then you, that's YOU must accept a SLICK WILLIE CLINTOOOOON LIED AS WELL.
You're the one calling "LIAR", but of course you don't know what you're talking about. You certainly did NOT read your own feinstein link. That is absolutely obvious. I however provided you with 2 excerpts that SHOW YOU your sainted left wing KERRY whiners had the PDB info all along....
OH WELL!!!!!
i'M SURE YOU JUST DON'T GIVE A DAMN!!!
"We found weapons of mas
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 21:17 ET by NL207"We found weapons of mass destruction."
"Congress had access to the same intelligence the White House had "
"we are just pissed at being fed lies by this adminstration"
You are also completely incapable of determining fact from fiction. These liberal leaders of yours are pissing on your shoes and telling you that it is a rainstorm while you are fooling with your umbrella.
How would you like your crow served, sir?
Crow
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 21:33 ET by gjgil82With an ice cold beer! WTF? Explain to me how I can't distinguish fact from fiction? Saying it does not make it so!
And by the way, your president has been pissing on your shoes and telling you it is champagne while you are busy fumbling for your glass.
Read the links. You DO read,
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 21:36 ET by NL207Read the links. You DO read, don't you?
g
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 21:38 ET by gjgil82You provided me with no links. Give them to me and I will read them.
Notice any words in my post t
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 21:41 ET by NL207Notice any words in my post that are red? Try clicking on them.
Fox
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 21:53 ET by gjgil82The WMD link from FOX "News" I don't trust, and the other link basically says that most members of Congress being new to the intelligence scene, do not need to be privy to most intelligence.
Gigil
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 22:02 ET by Noel SheppardGigil,
Honestly, on a Saturday night while my team is playing to go to the Rose Bowl, I'm really not that interested in getting into a "Bush Lied" debate. However, I must say that I found it quite fascinating that you would immediately discredit a link to a Fox News article, while just moments prior thinking that folks at a conservative website would be interested in a memo from Dianne Feinstein.
Of course, she is one of my senators, and I have a lot of respect for her -- much more than I do for most Democrats. However, a December 2005 memo from her admonishing a Republican president you somehow find more impartial than a news item from a highly-respected media outlet.
'Nuff said. Second half about to start. Keep fighting the good fight, gigil, but maybe with less vitriol and antagonism. This might make the discussion more beneficial for you and those interested in responded. JMHO. Go Bears! ns
Noel, Hate to Ask
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 22:09 ET by BlondeYou're yelling like mad for USC, right? ;-)
Sorry....I must cheer for Cal in this one. Kinda like the Rutgers thing from last week. You know....for my Gators.
Like we'd have a chance in forty against Ohio State if it gets to that....that was an amazing game!
Hoping.
"I would also say that despair is not a method." ~Gen. John P. Abizaid, CENTCOM, in response to an idiotic, grand-standing statement by Hillary Clinton.
Blonde
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 22:19 ET by Noel SheppardB,
I live in Nor-Cal. I'm a Cal alum. So's my wife. :-) ns
Noel,
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 22:27 ET by BlondeI knew you lived in North Cal...but I had no idea where you went to school. So I had to ask.
Big shout out to you and your wife!
As I said, I'm one of the bigger fans of Cal on the east coast about now.
Oh, nice fog! I'll be cheering for your team in the Rose Bowl, now that I know they're your team. ;-)
Blonde
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 22:29 ET by Noel SheppardB,
Well, we haven't won anything yet. Block that kick! ns
Noel,
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 22:40 ET by BlondeDo you realize what you just said (okay, typed) to me? :-D
Block that kick?
After last week's Florida game, against the "old ball coach"? Where my Gators won in the last second of the game by a blocked field goal on our part?
As ACA would say....still luv ya!
Your team is going to the Rose Bowl. Very cool.
Go Cal!
Well, we don't trust CBS or C
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 22:04 ET by NL207Well, we don't trust CBS or CNN.
The simple fact is, the FOX story says WMD were found in Iraq. About 500 of them were recovered. Nobody has ever denied these weapons were found.
Therefore, Bush did not lie about WMD being found.
Second, if you read the whole article at global security, you would have learned that the senior members of the intelligence committees of both chambers receive the same intel briefs as Bush. You would also have learned there were concerns about this as some members of these committees have in the past leaked such information in violation of the trust they were given. Sen. Leahy comes to mind. And last, you would have learned that the committees have in the past alleged they were not told, only to discover the info they alleged not to have was in their intel brief and they didn't read it.
Therefore, Bush did not lie about this either.
Your baseless allegations of 'Bush Lied' are a shambles. You are debunked.
You lose.
from the CIA website then gjgil82 in their words
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 22:17 ET by SportPoliticsfrom the CIA website then gjgil82 in their words, in order to debunk LYING liberals who spread lying rumors!
link !
Myth #2: Analysts were pressured to change judgments to meet the needs of the Bush Administration: The judgments presented in the October 2002 NIE were based on data acquired and analyzed over fifteen years. Any changes in judgments over that period were based on new evidence, including clandestinely collected information that led to new analysis. Our judgments were presented to three different Administrations. And the principal participants in the production of the NIE from across the entire US Intelligence Community have sworn to Congress, under oath, that they were NOT pressured to change their views on Iraq WMD or to conform to Administration positions on this issue. In my particular case, I was able to swear under oath that not only had no one pressured me to take a particular view but that I had not pressured anyone else working on the Estimate to change or alter their reading of the intelligence information.
Myth #3: NIE judgments were news to Congress: Over the past fifteen years our assessments on Iraq WMD issues have been presented routinely to six different congressional committees including the two oversight committees, the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, and the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence. To the best of my knowledge, prior to this NIE, these committees never came back to us with a concern of bias or an assertion that we had gotten it wrong.
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GOLLY SO SORRY ABOUT THAT !!!!!! EAT IT gjgil82 !
oops! should have included LIE #5 you make gjgil82 !
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 22:20 ET by SportPoliticsoops! should have included LIE #5 you make gjgil82 !
So sorry, right from the CIA website !!! They don't like you LIARS !
Myth #4: We buried divergent views and concealed uncertainties: Diverse agency views, particularly on whether Baghdad was reconstituting its uranium enrichment effort and as a subset of that, the purposes of attempted Iraqi aluminum tube purchases, were fully vetted during the coordination process. Alternative views presented by the Bureau of Intelligence and Research at the Department of State, the Office of Intelligence in the Department of Energy, and by the US Air Force were showcased in the National Intelligence Estimate and were acknowledged in unclassified papers on the subject. Moreover, suggestions that their alternative views were buried as footnotes in the text are wrong. All agencies were fully exposed to these alternative views, and the heads of those organizations blessed the wording and placement of their alternative views. Uncertainties were highlighted in the Key Judgments and throughout the main text. Any reader would have had to read only as far as the second paragraph of the Key Judgments to know that as we said: "We lacked specific information on many key aspects of Iraq's WMD program."
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Oh well, how about those Bears ! Whoo hoo !
Good plan ignore the facts si
Sun, 11/19/2006 - 07:45 ET by ChemicalOperatorGood plan ignore the facts since they came from Fox.
Put your head back in the sand, we will tell you when the sky stops falling.
DNC presidential candidate for 2008, "Brave Sir Robin"
gjgil82 the UN states Saddam shipped out WMD and missiles
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 21:47 ET by SportPoliticsgjgil82 the UN states Saddam shipped out WMD and missiles. Note the date:
Friday, June 11, 2004
The United Nations has determined that Saddam Hussein shipped weapons of mass destruction components as well as medium-range ballistic missiles before, during and after the U.S.-led war against Iraq in 2003.
The briefing contained satellite photographs that demonstrated the speed with which Saddam dismantled his missile and WMD sites before and during the war. Council members were shown photographs of a ballistic missile site outside Baghdad in May 2003, and then saw a satellite image of the same location in February 2004, in which facilities had disappeared.
UNMOVIC acting executive chairman Demetrius Perricos told the council on June 9 that "the only controls at the borders are for the weight of the scrap metal, and to check whether there are any explosive or radioactive materials within the scrap," Middle East Newsline reported.
"It's being exported," Perricos said after the briefing.
"The removal of these materials from Iraq raises concerns with regard to proliferation risks," Perricos told the council. Perricos also reported that inspectors found Iraqi WMD and missile components shipped abroad that still contained UN inspection tags.
He said the Iraqi facilities were dismantled and sent both to Europe and around the Middle East. at the rate of about 1,000 tons of metal a month. Destionations included Jordan, the Netherlands and Turkey.
The Baghdad missile site contained a range of WMD and dual-use components, UN officials said. They included missile components, reactor vessel and fermenters – the latter required for the production of chemical and biological warheads.
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Of course the question is what were those things doing in Iraq to begin with ? Well the answer is that's why the UNSCOM disarmament was never considered completed.
The UN "tags and monitors", and doesn't REMOVE in many cases.
It's a lot easier to send a couple dozen people in to look around, than it is to hire hundreds to dismantle and destroy.
In fact, the dismantle and destroy part was Saddam's JOB, to be paid for and run by SADDAM, not by WMD inspectors with so little money( NONE) they couldn't haul 5 Russian jeeps out of Iraq without 3 years of paperwork and funds acquisitions.
When it came to LYBIA and Kdahfi giving up his arsenal, the USA paid for the exctraction, and it wound up in Al Gore's state, Tennessee.
The UN doesn't have a "nation state" apparatus to move and destroy this crap. It always has to be done as a task assignment from one of the nations of the UN. The cheapeist, easiest, most liked, and most laudably successful is getting the "offender" to do it, but then we all seem to be aware about how often the "offender" is willing to do all that.
The UN, would very much like to say there were no WMD, and thier little program got rid of it all a long time ago, but their own complaints of parts and pieces exported to other nations kind of blows that "get out of it for free" card. Their own LACK of closure in the matter, and their 4 year " we remain siezed" with the problem of WMD in Iraq 1998-2002 kind of blows that as well.
They hope noone can remember anything, really, and then they or anyone else can just say whatever fits their best political line for THIS VERY MOMENT.
" It's not our fault !!!! " < the most loved political expression
Hello Dave R
Sun, 11/19/2006 - 01:58 ET by shawn228Hi Dave, sorry I did not reply sooner but I went to see a movie. Check out Casino Royale if you have a chance it is pretty good.
Looks like things have picked up here in the past few hrs. Looks like this guy "SportPolitics" is really clever with his copying and pasting.
Well, then. lets begin. I am paraphrasing so I might not have "exact words" k?
"We do not torture'
"You need a warrent to spy on American's"
"Cheney and Rumsfeld will stay with me for the remainder of my Presidency"
"It was never Stay the Course"
"I will fire whoever is responsible for leaked the information"
I'm sure you and your Conservative friends in here will spin what I said are his lies, but go ahead "run with it"
"We do not torture'1.)
Sun, 11/19/2006 - 07:14 ET by BD"We do not torture'
1.) Please define torture,
2.) Then prove that we do it.
3.) THe please explain in detail the nature of "Justifiable Reprisal" that is permissable in the Geneva Conventions.
4.) Then please read the current menu from Camp Delta in comparison to what our troops consume in the field.
"You need a warrent to spy on American's"
Please prove that the Terrorist surveillance program was conducted on US soil against US targets and that the information gleaned from it was used against US persons in a US court. CANT DO IT!!!!!! HAHAHAHA!
"Cheney and Rumsfeld will stay with me for the remainder of my Presidency"
Rumsfeld volunatrily resigned. Cheney is still VP. Got an issue with that?
"It was never Stay the Course"
Was it "Stay the Course" to keep US troops in contact around St Lo regardless of the fact that they were dropping like flied in June 1944? What is wrong with "Stay the Course?"
"I will fire whoever is responsible for leaked the information"
Still looking for Leaky Leahy to do time in Leavenworth during the previous administration for MUCH WORSE leaks.
Oh, and waiting for the entire staff of the New York Times to apppear in the docket for their crimes releasing classified information as well....
Deny and Deflect, Deny and De
Sun, 11/19/2006 - 07:32 ET by ChemicalOperatorDeny and Deflect, Deny and Deflect
I thought people where debating WMD's here, after all you asked for a link and were provided with several.... but instead you shotgun a lot of issues instead of admitting you were wrong. Your liberal friends would be proud.
Finish a debate before you start another one, you will be respected more.
DNC presidential candidate for 2008, "Brave Sir Robin"
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 19:16 ET by shawn228
BD, you made him speechless.D
Sun, 11/19/2006 - 07:27 ET by ChemicalOperatorBD, you made him speechless.
DNC presidential candidate for 2008, "Brave Sir Robin"
Oh, nevermind! It's not as if
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 19:07 ET by Dave ROh, nevermind! It's not as if it would do any good, anyway.
try to understand, shawn
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 20:26 ET by tumblerI have no grudge against you for being a Liberal, but I'm conservative through & through. In the case of Blonde, let it be understood. Her schtick adds nothing to our political slant. She prides herself on picking fights. Aggressive to her means CRUDE and INSULTING. Never incisive or well-reasoned. Different strokes & different hopes?
When you trouble with her, don't look for substance, just put-downs. Even so, I may disagree with you 100% and yet allow you your say. But make it substantive, help your cause. Don't abuse. I don't worry about whether a Troll is amongst us. That's for lightweights, not adult thinking folks. It's what makes for a superior blogsite, which THIS IS. -----So, choose your weapons well, and bring it on.
I guess I am a dumb Liberal.O
Sun, 11/19/2006 - 04:06 ET by PeskyDaneI guess I am a dumb Liberal.
OK, I'm just going to reflect on that for a moment...
NB Posting Etiquette 101:Slam
Sun, 11/19/2006 - 15:33 ET byNB Posting Etiquette 101:
Slamming another poster's grammar, and particularly spelling, is considered to be extremely impolite
this is from a lady who generally insults and spews opinions more than 2/3rds of the time! her telling us about etiquette is like bush telling us about jungle combat! tdf
neologic 101:
slamming another poster's grammar, and particularly spelling, is considered to be extremely impolite unless a lunatic liberal posts and then they are fair game for grammar and spelling! tdf
Katie Couric is to news wha
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 16:17 ET by DontFeedTheTrollsKatie Couric is to news what fluffer-nutter is to sandwiches.
DSG
sham228
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 20:38 ET by SportPoliticssham228 says:
Faux News is the most biased News Channel by far
The Foley thing is only a small part of the Fox's lies, but I won't get into it
*SHAM debates with opinion, but won't get "into it" stating facts*
Noel,you debate with facts instead of personal attacks like some Bozo's i have already encountered .
*Sham praises Noel, but makes personalized attacks against the BOZO's he meets here... LOL...while noting others make attacks...*
Katie Couric is new at this and will only get better
*SHAM gives his factless opinion of KC*
the real Jack Bauer would torture who ever he needs to expose all the lies this administration has done
Although the web of lies is unraveling before our very eyes everyday
*SHAM pretends Jack Bauer has a real life counterpart, and makes up his fantasy concerning that, then declares daily unraveling lies anyway, no superhero torture artist needed. *
So sorry buddy, but I don't know who Dummie or DKo is.
Noel,Yes i might have been a little sarcastic, but so were you, so i responded in kind.
*SHAM lies about DU and KOS, then admits he lied*
you debate with facts instead of personal attacks like some Bozo's i have already encountered .
The Foley thing is only a small part of the Fox's lies, but I won't get into it
*SHAM figures he can make personal attacks on all the BOZO's he met here, and Bush and all republicans, while parading factless lust for the dimmocrats like KC, and that's great because SHAM's opinion is fact in SHAM's mind*
Actually I do not think I changed the topic. With the exceptions of the Dems taking congress Fox news did not have any reporters question
*SHAM makes a false statement about Fox News, just because he thinks it would be true if Fox were right wing water bearers like he believes. If SHAM actually checked FOX news he would find his ASSumptions incorrect.*
no what really hurts is people like you that vote for the Shrub to be the leader of the free world.
*SHAM attacks another poster, personally. but he's not done making personal attacks, after he denounced them and kissed up to NOEL*
People like you never fail to amaze me. Your one of the types thats loves the fetus but hates the baby. That must be horrible way to go through life. Im sorry I pity you
*SHAM, unhindered by his lost "moral stand against personal attacks", lays one on a regular.*
I am not looking for a fight with anybody. If someone wants to debate the facts, I will debate the facts.
*Please note SHAM's factless fighting statements above that are his pure leftist opinion unhindered with any restraint to prevent fighting.*
If someone wants to make in personal, so be it.
* SHAM has now decided it can be personal. I guess his praise and brown nosing Noel was just that, a factless insulting poster with wild personal hate opinions trying to gain an advantage in light of his own misbehavior.*
I guess I am a dumb Liberal. I really don't get your point.
*SHAM plays another game, after being so exposed.*
I'm getting pretty tired of you and Dave R. as well. Nothing personal
*SHAM thinks he can get away with personal attacks by simply saying they aren't personal, of course he already said he'll go personal, no problem, after claiming he didn't want it after he did go personal, by kissing up to Noel.*
I am so frightenned about the fact that a bunch of conservatives want to squash my opinions. Thats new.
*SHAM already thanked NB for not censoring him like he said Redstate has. Now, even though he is posting, he will whine about his own " squashed opinions ". This is of course PROGRESS, since SHAM has now admitted he is posting hiw own opinion, not facts.*
So, all in all we have had a rabid, personally attacking troll, who tried in one page to make everyone here but the mod he kissed up to the bad guy. Turns out though, the self proclaimed liberal idiot is really the one with the problem, and all it took was unscrambling his rambling contradictory posts. This is an attack on SHAM, make no mistake about it. It is meant to belittle and shame SHAM for the BS he has pulled in this thread. EAT IT SHAM.
Hopefully you can improve your behavior, and stop the personal attack games and flagrant opinion without facts. We know who and what you are now, it's time to debate.
So Clever
Sun, 11/19/2006 - 02:29 ET by shawn228Wow, SportPolitics. You changed my name from Shawn to Sham. How clever of you. You also took lessons on copying and pasting. I don't know if I can be as clever, but okay lets give it a try
*SHAM lies about DU and KOS, then admits he lied*
Since you are so clever at cutting and pasting, could you cut and paste where I admitted to lying? I have no idea who DU and KO is or are.
*SHAM makes a false statement about Fox News, just because he thinks it would be true if Fox were right wing water bearers like he believes. If SHAM actually checked FOX news he would find his ASSumptions incorrect.*
????????????? you got me here SportPolitics, I have no idea what you are trying to say but whatever it was, i'm sure it was insightful
* SHAM has now decided it can be personal. I guess his praise and brown nosing Noel was just that, a factless insulting poster with wild personal hate opinions trying to gain an advantage in light of his own misbehavior
I appreciated Noel having manners and not smearing like many GOPers do. I was not brownnosing. I did not realize I was misbehaving but thank you so much letting me know.
*SHAM debates with opinion, but won't get "into it" stating facts*
Fact WMD were never found, Fact Rumfeld has is gone, even though the President said that would not happen. Fact, Duke Cunningham is in Jail, Fact Rob Ney is going to Jail soon. Fact Tom Delay has a chance of going to Jail, Fact, Bill Frist is being investigated. Fact Dems have majorities in both Chambers
Opinion I think you were picked on as child Opinion You sound insecure, Opinion You sound like someone that does not let anybody finish their sentence. Other than that I'm sure you have many swell qualities
Hopefully you can improve your behavior, and stop the personal attack games and flagrant opinion without facts. We know who and what you are now, it's time to debate.
I have seen the error of my way SportPolitics, I only hope I can live up to your standards :)
so SHAM228
Sun, 11/19/2006 - 08:32 ET by SportPoliticsSo sham228, you don't remember claiming FoxNews NEVER made certain inquiries ?
Secondly, when you claimed Foxnews was the MOST BIASED you mentioned the word " Foley" but said you wouldn't get into "it" , meaning of course an explanation of massively most biased Foxnews. Now, in order that you can "prove" you didn't debate with facts but golly darn "very well can", you made a series of "fact statements", the first of which is incorrect, and the rest of which relate exactly "how" to the " most biased Foxnews with the "foley" thing you "aren't getting into"... ?
I ASSume you won't understand a word of this either, because the "way you debate" is to "make a whole new series" of opinionated statements (at least TWO of which are wrong), and "abandon entirely" your prior statement with the "factless" problem that was pointed out prior. Right BOZO ?
So we have your yet to be addressed prior Foxnews fakery, and now you want a wholly different debate, and of course will continue shaming yourself with insults in the future here, in all likelihood, while creating more false interim "claimed facts".
[ Fact Rob Ney is going to Jail soon. ] < INCORRECT - a fact is not something that MAY occur in the future. There's one bonehead.
[ Fact WMD were never found ] < INCORRECT some is not none. A little is not ZERO.
So, two more STRIKES against you.
Also, I consider this statement of yours to be rife with STUPIDITY and likely error:
[ I have seen the error of my way SportPolitics, I only hope I can live up to your standards ]
You denied the error of your ways, excusing your kissing up to Noel even as you made personal attacks while decrying others who do it. I quite DOUBT you have seen the error of your ways.
FURTHERMORE, you likely do NOT understand my standards, but let me give you a good little outline. If you are going to pretend everyone else needs to stop "personal attacks" when indeed you are initiating and engaging in them as well, then you have a REAL PROBLEM. Just pretending to be the pure virgin doesn't make you one, moron. If I get something as wrong as you have, I expect to be properly derided, remember that.
lol you are a joke
Sun, 11/26/2006 - 04:21 ET by shawn228Sportpolitics you are as fair and balanced as Rush is. I did not initiate anything and you have twisted everything I have said, just like Bill O Reily. I have not called you any names but you called me a bonehead and a moron.
Go ahead and call me names, just goes to show your maturity level. lol
I like Fox News and watch the
Sun, 11/19/2006 - 07:41 ET by Andrew H.I like Fox News and watch the channel many hours each week. They have been successful because the veiwership has increased. Their viewership has increased becuase they do a good job.
Never relent.
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 11:14 ET by pocomoco
The Election
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 16:59 ET by pbthinkerYeppers, Fox is so biased that Mort Kondrake got an award for being the closest to picking the election results. Most of the analysts, on Fox, were predicting a Democrat win and the taking of both the Senate and the House. I'd like to know, specifically, what they refer to as "talking points"?
You are correct on one thing, no matter what Fox reported, people like you would have accused them of the same thing. There are some of us who see bias for what it is, then there are some, who only see bias in certain places.
What I find is that, most people who knock FoxNews, haven't watched it, they only listen to people like Dan (I still say the National Guard Report was legitimate) Rather describe it.
Perhaps Fox News IS fair and
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 18:55 ET by NL207Perhaps Fox News IS fair and balanced. It just does not seem that way because the rest of the news media are firmly left of the Democratic center.
So if Fox News is so horrib
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 01:53 ET by Squalls BladeSo if Fox News is so horrible, then why did Dan appear on the channel to pimp his new show? I know he was on Fox and Friends and Neil Cavuto. And I have no love for Fox mind you. Brit Hume should be ashamed at the ludicrous views he allows his panel to spew. But if Dan has a problem with it he shouldn't appear on it and pimp his new show.
Democracy is not enough. If the culture dies, the country dies. - Pat Buchanan
Priceless
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 09:05 ET by allanfDan's appearance on Fox News was priceless. He looked like a deer caught in headlights. It was a particularly nice touch when his cell phone went off in the middle of the interview.
Here is the Youtube video.
talking point's
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 03:47 ET by foolnomorewhat would you expect when you "drag a dollar" through the parking lot of a framous media centre, it's just never known what will crawl out from under of the limousine to just do his job... just like olde times?? comrade
on my friend Arianna Huffi
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 05:26 ET by Jack Baueron my friend Arianna Huffington’s blog
Wouldn't you just know that Maher would be an air-kissy, butt kissy "friend" of the most relentlessly self-publicizing air-head on the planet.
I'm sure this aggressive narcissistical preying mantis has dozens of statues and paintings of herself all over her twenty million dollar mansion, and her 20 car garage. She probably has her air-brushed photograph pasted atop her toilet seat.
Proud member of the all-powerful and vast
militarist/industrialist/capitalist/zionist-bagelist complex
Since Arianna Huffington is
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 05:42 ET by joe conservativeSince Arianna Huffington is such a hot babe, she could turn the typical Republican into going straight.
Sure, a 60 year old slag is
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 05:50 ET by Jack BauerSure, a 60 year old slag is a hot babe to you. GFYA.
Proud member of the all-powerful and vast
militarist/industrialist/capitalist/zionist-bagelist complex
I guess her magic wont work o
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 05:53 ET by joe conservativeI guess her magic wont work on you.
If by "magic" you
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 06:00 ET by Jack BauerIf by "magic" you mean wet-dreaming about that dried up old narcissist who turned her first and last husband homo, you're correct -- I leave that to you.
Which my previous post clearly indicated. You do seem to have problems understanding things first time around.
Proud member of the all-powerful and vast
militarist/industrialist/capitalist/zionist-bagelist complex
If my memory serves me right
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 06:04 ET by joe conservativeIf my memory serves me right Mr. Arianna Huffington was a gay republican.
No, you're incorrect. He wa
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 06:09 ET by Jack BauerNo, you're incorrect.
He was a straight republican till that Greek leech married him.
At which point he started to turn into a poofter. As to his current political orientation or who he currently f+++s at night, I have no idea. And even less interest.
Proud member of the all-powerful and vast
militarist/industrialist/capitalist/zionist-bagelist complex
So gay republicans are not bo
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 06:12 ET by joe conservativeSo gay republicans are not born that way?
They are just like you Joe.
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 07:09 ET by DontFeedTheTrollsThey are just like you Joe.
DSG
DFTT,Remember your SN, dude.
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 07:33 ET by Indiana JoeDFTT,
Remember your SN, dude. You too, Jack.
btw, Jack, got that "fuzzy math" answer. Want to check it? ... ;^)
Haven't had my second cup y
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 07:40 ET by DontFeedTheTrollsHaven't had my second cup yet.
DSG
help me out here
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 15:41 ET by misterbillI know Brent and staff run a (choke on this Fox haters) fair and balanced blog site, but do we have to allow Joe Conservative to use that name? I will have to refer to myself as a traditionalist instead of conservative. Daily misuse of a word winds up as acceptable after a while.
I think I may change my sig to "illiberalbill".
I guess what I find most amaz
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 09:37 ET by Indiana JoeI guess what I find most amazing about stories like this is, how stupid do these people think Americans are? How can anyone like Dan Rather or even Bill Maher think that no one notices they do the exact same thing, if not worse, than they accuse others of doing? How can one be so blind, so obtuse, so un-self-aware?
Or do they just consider their own audience stupid, and play to that? I mean, obviously there are some who swallow this ridiculous tripe whole. Is that the answer? They're playing to the moonbat wing, and assume no one else will notice? Either way, it's just so arrogant that it boggles what passes for my mind.
Btw, Noel, was the moisture on your laptop from gales of laughter, tears of frustration, or just constant "raspberries" directed at the TV screen? .... ;^)
It's sad that Dan Rather does
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 10:04 ET by dvtazIt's sad that Dan Rather doesn't know when to quit. He was a man that at one time was respected. Now he appears with Bill Maher. What next? Air America.
springer for sure
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 10:32 ET by owlpelletsspringer for sure
IJ
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 11:09 ET by Noel SheppardIJ,
Well, we had just gotten back from a marvelous sushi dinner with my son just in from college. As I sat down in front of the TV, laptop properly affixed to my, well, lap, I made the mistake of having an open Pilsner Urquell nearby. As such, when Rather began talking about FNC, there was nothing within ten feet safe from the resulting propulsion.
Needless to say, this is all literary license, as I learned years ago to not have food or drink in your mouth whenever watching liberals on television. :-) ns
Noel, I always have found tha
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 12:39 ET by Chris NormanNoel, I always have found that wearing a tarp is useful in these situations...
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
- Arabian Proverb
did somebody say sushi? mea
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 16:45 ET by lbcdawndid somebody say sushi? meanie head!
Chris the tarp may have protected him but what about the poor laptop affixed to his lap? it would either cover it completey in which case he would be held captive-unable to multitask- or the projectile would pool on top of said tarp and under said laptop (which would not be affixed to a lap but a covered lap. In the second case the laptopper could short circuit thereby destroying any chance of multi tasking causing Noel to be held captive longer in front of the screen.. which might possibly create a second propulsion of matter as his sushi joined his liquor (umm assuming that was what was being drunken?) think of the mess the family would have to clean up.. and think of poor Noel who could suffer elctrical burns.. oh but then he could sue the laptop maker for pain and suffering. hmm maybe we should be advocating sipping in front of the news with a lap top on your tarped lap? turn it into a fundraising opportunity.. (thinking of the report I read that said conservatives outgive libs) where a tarp for the cure!
~lbcdawn Religion is about doing. Christianity is about done.
"That strikes me as the
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 09:54 ET by HypocriteHater"That strikes me as the opposite of journalism, as looking for the end of the story before you find out what the real truth is."
Oh, you mean like how the MSM, CBS included, found a handful of Republicans who decided to vote for Democrats (for the first time in their lives, of course) during this recent midterm election? Now was that a news story that just landed in their laps, or did they purposely look for this "end of the story" without finding out "what the real truth is"?
Of course, there's always CBS and their "end of the story" news piece about Bush's National Guard service (he's a draft dodger, everyone!) without finding out "what the real truth is" (how do I work this MS Office software? I got some memos to make up!).
"Today we did what we had to do. They counted on America to be passive. They counted wrong." - Ronald Reagan
Rather
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 10:38 ET by iveseenitallDan Rather has the same disease as O.J. Simpson. Neither one realizes or cares how many people despise them. They just won't go away. It's sick.
NEVER,NEVER trust a liberal
Huffington Post
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 11:02 ET by BufordNoel, I held my nose and went to her blog to see what this......"Be on the lookout for any statements from the Iraqi insurgents...thrilled at the prospect of a Dem controlled congress" meant. That was the headline on the post. Notice the 3 little dots?
The "Actual Memo" said...And lets be on the lookout for any statements from the Iraqi insurgents, WHO MUST BE thrilled at the prospect of a Dem-controlled congress.
The memo was to staff giving the days marching orders. Three little words.
Buford
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 11:13 ET by Noel SheppardBuford,
Of course. This is much ado about nothing. After all, wouldn't it be newsworthy in the middle of a war to find members of the enemy expressing joy over a power-shift in Washington? Why is it anathema for a news agency to instruct its employees to keep an eye out for this?
On the other, this certainly shouldn't surprise us, as the drive-by media would intentionally have their eyes closed to such eventualities. :-) ns
A Troll and a Gnome: a pairin
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 11:38 ET by pocomocoA Troll and a Gnome: a pairing made in hell.
Libs and fairness
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 14:21 ET by reelman46The modern liberal borg detests any competition in the "marketplace of ideas" because their only idea is pacifist secular socialism... it is how they act , vote and usually talk. It can only be sold to people without opposition since it is (like most lib stuff) contrary to common sense, reality and human nature. Thus, they often harass conservative speakers, seek to muffle conservative talk radio and whine about the one non-liberal network. They are very insecure indeed.
Go home Dan and take some other biased dinosaur pseudo-journalists like Koppel, et al with you. We are no longer fooled.
This is so Stupid
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 15:23 ET by exLibThe premise of this is beyond idiotic.
1st of all, this just proves beyond a doubt that what Fox is doing is the right thing and that the media is overwhelmingly Liberally Biased. Otherwise why go to the lengths that these people do to diss Fox, and why Fox has a Huge Target on it's Back.
It's amazing the ferocity with which Maher, Franken (Letterman), and Stewart go after Fox.
2nd of all, EVERY STORY on the news is discussed before hand as to what angle to take in how the story is presented and falls out.
When they interview 2 "regular " people, it's the viewpoint the producer wants to put forth, because they surely didn't interview 2 people to get the story, they probably interviewd dozens and picked the 2 who were the most cogent.
The Ohio stories that circulated with the "Bush supporters who vote Republican but are going to vote Democrat this time" or "Evangelical Christians who are voting Dem" were defintely stories that started with a premise and then they went out and either soliciited people who fit the profile or went in and had to interview a few dozen people to get two people who could make a decent argument for what they were doing.
true, exLib
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 15:25 ET by tumblerIt's called the Michael Moore Macaca, a no-toil stratagem for blazing success.
noel
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 19:04 ET by foolnomorei like to offer my spare "Hannabull lactoure" suit if'en you want to watch tellie since i've been asked not to return to t.v. room with out my "odorlyorderly" at my side so it's not going be in use. since they got new tazer they do let me listen to radio .. thanks again'
Fox "talking points"
Sat, 11/18/2006 - 20:56 ET by nkviking75Maher:
I want to bring your attention to something that was on my friend Arianna Huffington’s blog today, the Huffington Post, it was an internal memo from Fox News, an organization I guess that would never hire you. And it says, “Be on the lookout for any statements from the Iraqi insurgents thrilled at the prospect of a Democratic controlled Congress.” That strikes me as the opposite of journalism, as looking for the end of the story before you find what the real truth is.
Funny, Bill, that strikes me as an editor who understands the big picture, and tells his staff to watch for what was a perfectly predictable response from the terrorists. What is more suspect is how most of the media played that angle down. When it comes to politics, any decent journalist or media organization will observe events and try to anticipate what stories may be developing in the coming days. There's nothing sinister about it.
why isn't Rather in prison?!
Sun, 11/19/2006 - 19:54 ET by j17ghsRather and his bitch Mary Mapes are complicit in forging military documents, yet neither is charged. Kind of like Sandy Berger stealing national security documents and getting a slap on the wrist. You'd think the Democrats were in charge of Congress when all this happened and were protecting their own. Valerie Plame and hubbie Joe Wilson should be on trial, too.