It was a pretty funny “Real Time with Bill Maher” on HBO this past Friday, although not for the reasons the host would have preferred. Maher invited deposed CBS anchor Dan Rather on to discuss whatever he wanted with total impunity, and what ensued was a full-fledged Fox News hate-fest. However, that wasn’t the funniest part, for Rather actually had the gall to insinuate that FNC gets talking points from the White House, and was doing its darnedest to influence the elections that just transpired.
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Honestly, I’ve had to use four boxes of Kleenex to dry off my laptop in order to post this article for your reading pleasure.
Those unpleasantries out of the way, Maher opened this part of the discussion with the following (video available here courtesy of our friend at Ms Underestimated):
I want to bring your attention to something that was on my friend Arianna Huffington’s blog today, the Huffington Post, it was an internal memo from Fox News, an organization I guess that would never hire you. And it says, “Be on the lookout for any statements from the Iraqi insurgents thrilled at the prospect of a Democratic controlled Congress.” That strikes me as the opposite of journalism, as looking for the end of the story before you find what the real truth is.
This seemed a bizarre set-up for a man whose entire career was precisely based on looking for the end of the story with total disregard for what the real truth was. Or, maybe I was confusing Maher with a real journalist, and therefore, the fault was mine for not expecting exactly what I received.
Regardless, Rather adroitly took the ball from his witting host, and ran with it:
Well, I think it’s fair to say, Bill – in fact I know it is – that Fox News operates, at least in a somewhat different way, than every other news organization that I know, that they have their talking points. In other words, somebody in the hierarchy, whether this is Roger Ailes who runs the place or not, we know that they get talking points from the White House, and they can say, “Well, we don’t always take those talking points.”
Of course, that's not something Rather ever had to admit to. After all, any sane person in America knew full well that was the case when Bill Clinton was in office. But, I digress:
But I think it’s pretty clear that they had wished the elections had gone the other way, and they sought to position their programming which would raise as many questions about it as possible. They may consider that as unfair, but I that’s why any reasonable objectivity is what they were after – that they wanted to frame the news in a certain way actually before the news happened. That’s not a crime. That’s not an indictable offense. This is America. They can do what they want to do. But I think that’s the perspective through which one should view it.
Of course, Rather likely knows what he speaks, as it was so clear to his former employer – the not-so right leaning CBS – that he was getting information from presidential candidate John Kerry in 2004, and trying to influence that election, that the not-so right leaning CBS fired him.
But, that’s beside the point, isn’t it?
—Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters.
Comments Policy
Even if Fox News did drop t
November 18, 2006 - 01:52 ET by joe conservativeEven if Fox News did drop the "fair & balanced" masquerade, their integrity would still be in question. Their routine deceit runs much deeper than their insincere slogan.
I got this one, Blonde.TROL
November 18, 2006 - 02:07 ET by Mean Gene Dr. LoveI got this one, Blonde.
TROLL!!
'When you wade into political life you have every right to say what you want, but you cannot in turn argue that no one has the right to take you on'... --Rush Limbaugh
TROLL!!
November 18, 2006 - 02:10 ET by ww thumperTROLL!! Me too ww :^}
Clapping!!!! Laughing!!!Way
November 18, 2006 - 02:13 ET by BlondeClapping!!!! Laughing!!!
Way to go, guys!
DAMN! A day late and a dollar
November 18, 2006 - 08:29 ET by Indiana JoeDAMN! A day late and a dollar short, again!
Caught you folks' act on the other thread!!!
SHACK!!!
ROTFLMAO!!!
"Missed it by...that much!" - Maxwell Smart
May I puuuuuhhhhhhleeeeeeeeez
November 18, 2006 - 15:06 ET by Dave RMay I puuuuuhhhhhhleeeeeeeeeze have the next one?
Troll Responses
November 18, 2006 - 18:49 ET by BlondeDave R,
Next one is all yours.
Don't know how long you've been reading here, but we had a gig going for a while with a particularly nasty troll. Every time he'd pop in, we'd hit him with a "Hello Dolly" (ht lcbdawn) or "baaaaahhhh". That worked pretty well too.
Another great one was "derka derka". About time to bring that one back.
I remember the hater guy from
November 18, 2006 - 18:56 ET by Dave RI remember the hater guy, along with all of his aliases from back when I was a lurker here, as well as some others. I saw your post mentioning Joe C. as being particularly annoying, as well. Must agree there.
I've noticed you have a knack for ignoring them. Wish I had it, too. Sometimes I just cannot resist.
Oh yeah, Dave R.The hater-sus
November 18, 2006 - 19:13 ET by BlondeOh yeah, Dave R.
The hater-suspense meter gets pegged on red occasionally, and not just by me.
We had a couple of cute trolls, though, and one who's disappeared for quite a while, old JoZeF (screen name JosephF). Who's posts were so amazingly over the top they were side-splittingly funny. And pounced upon, and mimicked (sp?) by all.
We all have our weaknesses, troll-wise, Dave.
I'm trying to do a little troll-intervention with shawn, but it looks like it's not working out too well.
It being a slow news day, and all.
Since he probably has multipl
November 18, 2006 - 19:30 ET by Dave RSince hater probably has multiple screen names pending at this very moment, I think next time he swerves (slithers?) in here, we should suggest that the next screen name he should apply for is Richard Cranium. I know his posts are literally torture to read and to avoid, but seeing them under the heading of Richard Cranium Says: would at least make it tolerable, if not down right amusing.
hater
November 18, 2006 - 19:38 ET by misterbillI prefer the name Richy Ectum for him. He has a problem he can't scratch.
Dave, Caught your act with &q
November 18, 2006 - 19:14 ET by Indiana JoeDave,
Caught your act with "little joe" consevative on that other thread, the one about Viet Nam. Wasn't that him, too? I think so...<edit> Wait, maybe it was "truconserve?" Saw him lurking about today, too. Another one? Does D-Con make "troll-pruf?" <end edit>
I engaged him once, and discovered there's no "there" there. A bad case of cephalic rectitis. I've since just ignored him, but I may steal a page from Blonde's BIg Book of Troll-Bashing! (h/t, Blonde)
Anyway, between you and acumen, he slunk off with his tail between his legs! I think his brain was fried from the actual logic and facts you threw at him. Was pretty plain he finally P'd you Off, ROYALLY!!! Lots of fun to read!
So, you had yours today already! BIG-TIME! LOL .... ;^)
Yeah, Joe made like Houdini a
November 18, 2006 - 19:25 ET by Dave RYeah, Joe made like Houdini and just evaporated. I've noticed they do that a lot. I think its just to make you type all that stuff, then they bail. Or maybe it's because they cannot find anyone to read it to them. Who knows?
Now this is a serious questio
November 18, 2006 - 17:35 ET by Ruths husband BenNow this is a serious question (I always believed that there is no such thing as stupid questions, just stupid people asking questions) from one who is fairly new to the blogs. What exactly is a "troll"? I mean, I recognize that that guy is a jerk, but all jerks are not trolls, are they?
Thanks in advance for any help here,
Ben
-Seriously stupid person asking stupid question.
Bomb thrower
November 18, 2006 - 18:32 ET by nkviking75In 'netspeak, a troll comes into a group like this and tosses bombs, with little or no interest in a serious debate. A troll likes to be the center of attention and will frequently say wild, baseless stuff that he/she knows will rile up the group. Engaging a troll tends to lead to mass quantities of name calling and personal insults.
Nice Explanation
November 18, 2006 - 18:46 ET by BlondeNK,
Nice explanation.
Our newest troll, joe conservative, was most annoying last night. So every time he posted some other piece of inflammatory verbiage, I responded "Troll"....which was picked up by several others. Worked rather well.
Not engaging trolls is harder than it should be. ;-)
Blonde,I miss those lazy summ
November 18, 2006 - 19:49 ET by Conservative in the ArtsBlonde,
I miss those lazy summer days of troll bashing. Now I'm so busy I'm even lucky if I can read just the home page. I came home last night and told my wife the DOD scientist debate I had and how I missed getting into hard debates like I did this summer on NB.
Thanks to you, and the other
November 19, 2006 - 08:56 ET by Ruths husband BenThanks to you, and the other guys.
-Ben
What was her name. The name
November 18, 2006 - 10:10 ET by danboWhat was her name. The name Rather never could say. Juanita? Juanita? Oh what was her name? Juanita Broddrick?
Good old Rathernot. Never could say that name.
Can he say Chappaquiddick?
"Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of truth and knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods." Albert Einstein
Faux News
November 18, 2006 - 12:09 ET by shawn228Amen to that Joe. Faux News is the most biased News Channel by far, remember when they tried to pass Foley off as a Democrat?
Oh sure. And CBS keeps tryi
November 18, 2006 - 12:14 ET by Jack BauerOh sure. And CBS keeps trying to pass Katie Couric off as a journalist.
Proud member of the all-powerful and vast
militarist/industrialist/capitalist/zionist-bagelist complex
What would the real Jack Bauer do?
November 18, 2006 - 12:50 ET by shawn228Katie Couric is new at this and will only get better with more experience. She has accomplished an amazing feat by being the first female anchor for a major network. Like Nancy Pelosi or not she is also the first female speaker of the house. Both women have set major benchmarks.
Also the real Jack Bauer would torture who ever he needs to expose all the lies this administration has done. Although the web of lies is unraveling before our very eyes everyday
Shawn
November 18, 2006 - 13:04 ET by Noel SheppardShawn,
Could you do us all a favor? Whenever you cut-and-paste DUmmie and/or DKos talking points, we would all appreciate it if you would provide the link to the posts and/or diaries. It actually makes it much more entertaining for us.
Thank you in advance. :-) ns
Noel,So sorry buddy, but I
November 18, 2006 - 13:12 ET by shawn228Noel,
So sorry buddy, but I don't know who Dummie or DKo is. I guess I don't have your degree of intelligence so perhaps you could explain it to me.
:-) Shawn
Shawn
November 18, 2006 - 13:38 ET by Noel SheppardShawn,
With all due respect given your newness to this board, it is rather hypocritical to mock the intelligence of someone while practically with the same keystroke feign ignorance concerning one of the most popular political websites on the planet. :-) ns
Noel
November 18, 2006 - 13:44 ET by BlondeNoel,
I was wondering how you were going to handle this. Nicely done.
Noel, I see the same thing
November 18, 2006 - 13:48 ET by hydrodynDMNoel,
I see the same thing in my classes. Two students hand in exactly the same homework and when they ask me why they got zeros and I explain that they are copies, they pretend that they didn't quite know the difference between working together (which I encourage) and copying.
Yea, right. Playing stupid doesn't fool anyone.
By the say, nice call on the Pilsner Urquell. My parents are Czech and I practically grew up on the stuff.
Hydro
November 18, 2006 - 14:05 ET by Noel SheppardHydro,
Probably my favorite beer right now, although I am also partial to Spaten. However, of late, Pilsner on tap has become very popular at my haunts. I believe they are distributed by one of the larger American companies, and, as a result, are becoming more prevalent and less expensive. My BevMo here had twelve-packs for $12 yesterday. One of those times I wish I had a truck or an SUV. :-) ns
If you like Spaten, then I ca
November 18, 2006 - 20:16 ET by NL207If you like Spaten, then I can recommend these: Weian-Stephaner and Paulaner.
If you like Pilsener Urquell, then you shou taste the real Budweiser, though it might be hard to get here in the US. Its easy to find in all metro areas of Germany, even in the North.
NL
November 18, 2006 - 21:05 ET by Noel SheppardNL,
I've had Paulaner. The other one doesn't ring a bell. The "real" Budweiser? What might that be? ns
Budveis, out of either the Cz
November 18, 2006 - 21:20 ET by saw the lightBudveis, out of either the Czech Republic or Slovakia, right? Anheuser-Busch has been in legal battles with them over the rights to the name Budweiser. I think A-B won.
"People everywhere confuse what they read in newspapers with news." - A.J. Liebling
Weian-Stephaner is another of
November 18, 2006 - 21:26 ET by NL207Weihen-Stephaner is another of the famous Munich Pilseners. It is a smooth, full bodied beer much like the Paulaner and Spaten lagers. It shares a common ancestry with most of the realy good Bavarian brews, it was once owned by the Catholic Church. I have seen it in specialty beer stores here in the US, but I have only ever tasted it in Germany.
The Real Budweiser is made in the Czech Republic, and other than the name, has nothing in in common with the Busch brew of St. Louis, MO. Its full name is Budweiser Budvar and is brewed in Ceske Budejovice, Czeh Republic. it is near Pilzn in the Sudatenland. This link might help. http://www.budvar.cz/ I have never seen this in the US. My only taste experiences with it are from Deutschland.
NL
November 18, 2006 - 21:29 ET by Noel SheppardNL,
Some day, I will go to Germany during Oktoberfest. As a beer lover, it will be heaven. ns
Why wait for an Oktoberfeist?
November 18, 2006 - 21:37 ET by NL207Why wait for an Oktoberfeist? These beers are sold there year-round. There are only a few seasonal brews you would miss, and the Maiboch beers are spring seasonals anyway. May, just before the summer travel season , is a great time to get discount fares to Frankfurt. Travel is mostly safe there. the terrorists have tried to bomb the trains several times this year and the German police keep thwarting them.
The northern german beers are worth investigating too. They tend to be a little hoppier than their southern cousins. I have some personal favorites from that region as well. In fact, ther are anly two beers in Germany I would characterize as spuelwasser: Any Alt bier and Dortmunder Union.
NL
November 18, 2006 - 21:42 ET by Noel SheppardNL,
I think we've discussed beer before. One of my favorites that I haven't seen anywhere in years is Dortmunder Kronen. Incredible beer that had to be sold as a malt liquor here because of its alcohol content. They also made a lager called Pilskron. Awesome stuff.
I guess my Oktoberfest fascination is just the whole celebration component, or is that overblown? ns
If you like to drink your bee
November 18, 2006 - 21:59 ET by NL207If you like to drink your beer in a big crowd and pay much higher prices for it than normal, Oktoberfest is just the right thing. And you will need to speak German to appreciate what's going on in your surroundings. I find Bavarian speakers are difficult for me to understand.
The beer is sold by the liter and half liter. The rest of the year, its sold in 0.3 and half liter glasses. The mas come out for the fest.
NL
November 18, 2006 - 22:03 ET by Noel SheppardNL,
I'm sold. Heck with Oktoberfest. Somebody get me a beer. ns
I'll second that. Drinki
November 18, 2006 - 22:06 ET by NL207I'll second that. Drinking beer is a infinitely preferrable to listening to clueless liberals whine that Bush lied.
Noel, I'll give you a tip if
November 18, 2006 - 21:39 ET by mandrakeNoel, I'll give you a tip if you do make it to Oktoberfest. You have to get there in afternoon to get a table. If you find a good table, hang on to it. Now you have to pace yourself. Because around 10 pm, the Omp Pah Pah bands leave and they bring out the Rock bands...then the party really begins ;-)
Mandrake
November 18, 2006 - 21:45 ET by Noel SheppardMandrake,
Now we're talking! Boy, that's a lot of time, and a lot of beer to get to the good bands. :-) ns
Mandrake,I was in Germany whi
November 18, 2006 - 21:49 ET by BlondeMandrake,
I was in Germany while the "Wall was coming down". It was a trip!
We were in a beer hall in Munich. We came in, sat down, and were warmly greeted by the most charming (granted, he was smashed) apple cheeked Bavarian gentleman. Upon figuring out we were American...he had the entire table toasting, and shouting "We love Ronald Reagan" over and over again. It was amazing.
Thanks for reminding me of my not-quite-Octoberfest beer hall experience.
Noel, on the bullet train fro
November 18, 2006 - 21:28 ET by BufordNoel, on the bullet train from Paris to London several years ago they offered what they called the Original Anhauser beer. Not being a connoissoeur but a consumer, I didn't find it special. But then with a moniker like "Buford" you can imagine that it doesn't take much to make me happy!
Buford
November 18, 2006 - 21:46 ET by Noel SheppardBuford,
Well, I've never had any beer on a train that didn't taste good. :-) ns
Noel,Yes i might have b
November 18, 2006 - 13:55 ET by shawn228Noel,
Yes i might have been a little sarcastic, but so were you, so i responded in kind.
I am not being snide in anyway by saying this, even though you don't agree with my opinion I thank you and this website for letting me expressmy points of view. There are other GOP websites out there ie www.redstate.com that kick you off for disagreeing with them. So no hard feelings
Shawn
November 18, 2006 - 14:00 ET by Noel SheppardShawn,
No hard feelings here, either. And, thanks for recognizing that we are one of the few sites on either side of the aisle that welcomes opposing viewpoints. You will find that I am extremely cordial to all participants, and will engage anyone who displays respect and courtesy. After all, as I have said here on many occasions, in the end, we are all Americans regardless of our political proclivities. Frankly, I would find this country rather boring and pointless if we all agreed.
Welcome aboard, and keep fighting the good and gracious fight. :-) ns
Noel,I hate to butt in here (
November 18, 2006 - 15:25 ET by Dave RNoel,
I hate to butt in here (well, not really) but I have to tell you that you have just delivered what I deem to be one of the classiest and most elegant electronic a**-kickings I have seen since the beginning of the internet. Around here we would refer to it as opening up the whole can of whoop*ss. Well, the electronic version, anyway.
Well done!
I'd buy you a beer if I could.
It was a pleasure to read, being that I am stuck here in the office waiting for our field crews to come in from doing God only knows what.
Just last night I got into a
November 18, 2006 - 17:16 ET by Conservative in the ArtsJust last night I got into a heated argument / debate with a DOD scientist about his regilous belief in "global warming" and how evil we Republicans are for denying the facts and due process of checks and balances. I countered that if the science was true then we would do something, but it's all scare tatics and gave the 2000 arsenic in water trap that Clinton left for Bush.
he counters with science of the arsenic and that despite the fact that Bush just put it back to where it was for all 8 years of Clintons reign the science was true and it needed to be done. (perfect set up for me...watch for it now)
I smiled and then replyed that if the science was true then why did Clinton have to sign it as a executive order, instead of going thru the system of debates in Congress. "because it had to be done, there was no other way. It wouldn't get past Congress"
Smiling even bigger I counter with "so let me get this straight, the very thing that makes Bush an evil power hungry nazi dictator, gets full praise and 'it had to be done' for Billy Boy? nice double standard there." And walked away knowing he was slammed against that hard wall called logic.
Thx Noel
November 18, 2006 - 17:52 ET by shawn228Thank you for welcoming me Noel. You are a very classy person, you debate with facts instead of personal attacks like some Bozo's i have already encountered . Just to clarify, I do not hate Republicans. If Guiliani ran I would probably vote for him over Hilary. I am also a fan of John M ccain.
wave goodby now
November 18, 2006 - 14:07 ET by tumblerSo, Shawn,
Wave by bye, now. You lost that web of lies you were craving for.
Du and Kos: They are sites wh
November 19, 2006 - 09:23 ET by Andrew H.Du and Kos: They are sites where the goofiest gather to blather and rather than learn anything new and real, in their zeal, use profanity to feel and steal. The kids issues forbids lids on speech and would rather screech--favor the leech, and teach the rest of us, the best of us about important matters to them like socialized medicine, gay "rights," how dumb President Bush is, how the "repugs" stole elections and how the money should be theirs, honey--they hate republicans and conservatives--really hate, masturbate late (into the night) and relate how unfair the world is and their fate. They are kids who don't have a job, won't take a job and can only lob silly potions and notions of emotions.
Why the babies at Du even had a thread once calling for the outlawing of religion. My, my.
Never relent.
shawn228, Ok, lets assume t
November 18, 2006 - 13:06 ET by hydrodynDMshawn228,
Ok, lets assume that you are correct, that Fox News didn't make a simple mistake.
That means that someone in the chain of command at Fox made the conscious decision that their evil deed of the day would be to try to trick it's viewers into thinking Foley was a Democrat... something that a five year old could verify is incorrect.
While they were at it - you know - saying things that anyone watching any other news show would know wasn't true - why not say that Foley was a Democrat and a two headed troll that eats children?
Wow. If that's the extent of Fox News ability to trick it's gullible viewership, then you guys who disapprove of Fox so much have nothing to worry about. Their attempts at deceit are nowhere at the level of ... say ... CBS and their fancy forgeries.
Hydro
November 18, 2006 - 13:09 ET by Noel SheppardHydro,
Also, let's not forget that CNN a few weeks later put a "D" next to Michael Steele's name. As such, these errors occur all the time.
For financial reasons, I watch a lot of CNBC in the morning, and I'm astounded by the number of spelling errors and such in the captions section. This kind of stuff happens all the time, and is by no means indicative of bias. ns
Noel, I think anyone who is
November 18, 2006 - 13:13 ET by hydrodynDMNoel,
I think anyone who isn't hell bent on attacking Fox News with every breath they can muster would acknowledge that these mistakes happen often enough.
It's just funny seeing libs fall all over themselves over something so insignificant. It's pretty telling, actually. If Fox News was such a mouth piece for the Republicans, you would think they could come up with something more damning than this Foley thing.
hydrodnDM, The Foley thi
November 18, 2006 - 13:31 ET by shawn228hydrodnDM,
The Foley thing is only a small part of the Fox's lies, but I won't get into it now. I do realize that Liberal's tend to fall over themselves over insignificant things like
: Bush saying it was never about "stay the course" when he said it 26 times
: Karl Rove telling reporters when asked about the poll #'s prior to the election "your entitled to your math i'm entitled to the math"
: Bush saying he will keep Cheney and Rumsfeld to end of his term and getting rid of Rumsfeld the day after the election
Oh and one more insignificant thing, The Dems now control both chambers of Congress!!!!!!!
shan228 I'm going to keep y
November 18, 2006 - 13:42 ET by hydrodynDMshan228
I'm going to keep your post on file because you have just given all of us a perfect example of "changing the topic".
You see, we were talking about Fox News and their attempt to trick people with a lie so obvious than anyone with half a brain could have checked it.
But rather than address that topic, you decided to "change the topic" and instead threw out a (very unoriginal) list of things that I guess is suppose to show that the current administration consists of a bunch of liers. I guess the assumption here is that the Democrats aren't. Good luck with that.
Look up the term "non sequitur".
hDM,Still teaching class on S
November 18, 2006 - 13:55 ET by BlondehDM,
Still teaching class on Saturday?
Etiquette for New Posters 101.
Laughing. ;-)
Blonde, It's in my blood -
November 18, 2006 - 14:01 ET by hydrodynDMBlonde,
It's in my blood - I can't help myself.
Although it might explain why I'm convinced that every person who posts incoherent arguments on here is a teenager. I basically see the same thing in my classes on a daily basis.
Was that incoherent? Ug.
hDM,Not at all. That must b
November 18, 2006 - 14:07 ET by BlondehDM,
Not at all. That must be really difficult to deal with on a daily basis. I sympathize, and I admire your patience.
Gotta run...have a good one.
hydrodynDMActually I do not
November 18, 2006 - 14:08 ET by shawn228hydrodynDM
Actually I do not think I changed the topic. With the exceptions of the Dems taking congress Fox news did not have any reporters question why Bush denied saying "Stay the course" That was his main slogan. They never also never questioned how Karl Rove got "the math" so wrong.
Are you sure this is not sour grapes about the President being a "Lame Duck" who probably will not be impeached , but investigated up the Wazoo
shawn228, You didn't say an
November 18, 2006 - 14:22 ET by hydrodynDMshawn228,
You didn't say anything about how Fox reported the things on your list. Nice attempt at explaining what you really meant, though.
That aside, your suggestion that Fox is oh so biased because it chooses to emphasis some aspects of a story and not others is stunningly insightful. I'm curious. Would you acknowldge that news organization like ABC, CBS, NBC and CNN constantly make a habit of questioning the motives of Republicans but not so much Democrats? You might want to look throught the archives of this website before you answer that.
Oh. And that last bit in your post about "sour grapes". That's known as an "ad hominem". You might want to look that up as well.
sham228 "facts"
November 19, 2006 - 09:58 ET by SportPoliticshydrodynDM, I'll answer for your destruction of sham228, in his own words:
[Faux News is the most biased News Channel by far]
[ I'm not going to get into it now ]
[ I never learned to say "Faux" news at DU or DKo, because as the only polite poster that hasn't bashed me or called me names pointed out I'm too stupid to know about the most popular political site on my side of the aisle, being a ranting lunatic troll here, just like any other liberal idiot, is tough if you don't attack the ONLY non-liberal TV news channel]
correction, it's majority
November 18, 2006 - 16:19 ET by tumblerShawn, grow up,
"Oh and one more insignificant thing, The Dems now control both chambers of Congress!!"
No, they don't control either chamber. They have majorities, but still don't control Congress. Republicans have to agree with their gig; otherwise they'll be stymied.
This as well as a presidential iron in the fire: Veto power. Just like them brandin irons down at the Ranch. W can place a hot iron on the Dem's ass whenever he sees fit. They haven't the necessary votes to overturn it either. "Sizzzz! Ooooh, dat hurts!"
Shawn, grow up,"Oh and o
November 18, 2006 - 17:44 ET by shawn228Lol, no what really hurts is people like you that vote for the Shrub to be the leader of the free world. Well we found out the American people did not want to fall for a third time didn't we? Am I misquoting your leader, when he said " We took a thumpin" ??Ok, to humour you, the Dems have the majority. Is it fair to say they control things like say the Judicial Committee. Bye Bye Arlen.
They might not have the power to override a Veto, but they can prevent another conservative like Alito to nominated. Good luck to Bush on getting that nutjob John Bolton to permanent US ambassador.
People like you never fail to amaze me. Your one of the types thats loves the fetus but hates the baby. That must be horrible way to go through life. Im sorry I pity you :(
human beings, Shawn
November 18, 2006 - 18:12 ET by tumblerNot "types" but human beings. Yes, we love a living fetus; your camp loves the death of that unborn baby. You care about babies? Then come into the Republican party and protect the unborn one, because he/she is going to die if it's up to Democrats and their "choices" --That's certifiable.
"Bye Bye Arlen"One
November 18, 2006 - 19:30 ET by saw the light"Bye Bye Arlen"
One thing conservatives and liberals can agree!
"...the American people did not want to fall for a third time..."
I believe that the Bush/Rove team won three elections. 2000, 2002, and 2004.
Nominating conservatives is a bad thing? When Clinton nominated Ginsburg with a Republican Senate, she was approved with over 90 votes. Why? Because Republicans recognize that the President gets to nominate whoever he wants, and the Senate only offers "advice and consent." Absent a major character flaw, nominations should be approved. But to liberals, I guess being a conservative is a major character flaw.
"People everywhere confuse what they read in newspapers with news." - A.J. Liebling
Fun fact: Ginsburg was reco
November 19, 2006 - 03:26 ET by joe conservativeFun fact: Ginsburg was recommended to the bench by none other than Orin Hatch. Bush will now have to get some input from Kennedy or watch his nominees go down in flames.
If that's true--big mistake--
November 19, 2006 - 08:48 ET by Andrew H.If that's true--big mistake--but its' not--there's diiference between making the recommendation and letting the nominees have an up and down vote. The gentlemanly Republican approach to a dem President's nominees has been to let the senate decide and in the case of Ginsberg, the country received a long term srewing. We should decide to handle this issue differently. It appears the dem approach is better--filibuster.
Never relent.
Oh and one more insignificant
November 18, 2006 - 16:43 ET by Dave ROh and one more insignificant thing, The Dems now control both chambers of Congress!!!!!!!
As coach Jerry Glanville once said, NFL=Not For Long.
So, I take it Mr. Bush doesn't have the right to change his mind, eh? When Clinton got himself elected governor of Arkansas, he told everyone who would listen that he had no plans to run for president, and that he would serve out his term.
Well, it didn't happen that way, yet I heard not one peep of a complaint from the bedwetting liberal media.
And don't even get me started on all the times that that Arkansas potentate-wanna-be changed his mind or just outright lied while he was in office. I doubt this site has the space for it.
hydrodnDM, The Foley thi
November 18, 2006 - 13:31 ET by shawn228That is the best post you hav
November 18, 2006 - 16:45 ET by Dave RThat is the best post you have placed in this thread so far!
Katie Couric is new at this a
November 18, 2006 - 13:07 ET by BlondeKatie Couric is new at this and will only get better with more experience.
She could hardly get worse. If it makes you happy, you watch her. No one else seems to be overjoyed by Katie's non-performance after achieving this great journalistic milestone.
Katie, Nancy; Nancy, Katie
November 18, 2006 - 22:09 ET by nkviking75Will Nancy Pelosi be the Katie Couric of House Speakers, or is Katie the Pelosi of news anchors?
You need to get higher quality crack sister...
November 18, 2006 - 13:09 ET by Guy Arthur ThomasI think the quality of the crack you are using is poor and probably you should find a more reputable dealer. Couric...get better...hahahahahahahahahaha. Listen, there is no feat here, this is a minor leaguer wrongly brought up to the majors. Couric has already bombed and her numbers continue to drop, she is at best a spokeswoman for dependent and syncophantic housewifes from the Today Show. I give her credit for one thing, taking mediocre talent and bamboozling a lot of people with a lot of nothing, but hey, her audience is comprised of "asleep at the wheel Crybaby Boomers and their offspring" so in this day and age it requires little depth and little substance to even appear jounalistically legitimate. But then you probably think Nancy Grace is quality television and The Lifetime Channel is a winner...hahahahahahahahahaha.
I am a member of LSCA (Lazy Spell Checkers Anonymous).
We'll see if the benchmarks t
November 18, 2006 - 13:14 ET by Andrew H.We'll see if the benchmarks they set are nothing but a failure. So far it doesn't look good for either.
Never relent.
"Katie Couric is new at
November 18, 2006 - 13:31 ET by Chris Norman"Katie Couric is new at this and will only get better with more experience..."
CBS sure is paying out a boat load in salary to someone who needs more "experience". Hell of an anchor training program they're running there. Where does one pick up an application?
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
- Arabian Proverb
first female anchor
November 18, 2006 - 14:22 ET by g leeConnie Chung was the first female anchor.
No, she wasn't....Barbara Wal
November 18, 2006 - 14:49 ET by kathleenirishNo, she wasn't....Barbara Walters co-hosted the ABC News with Harry Reasoner, I believe, but my memory might be off. He hated Barbara, just like Dan facturally-challenged Blather hated Connie Chung. The media is full of white men who hate women but talk out of both sides of their liberal, biased mouths.
"He who has a thousand friends has not a friend to spare, and he who has one enemy will meet him everywhere" -Ali ibn-Abi-Talib, 4th Islamic Caliph
Connie Chung was the first female anchor.
November 18, 2006 - 18:03 ET by shawn228Connie Chung was the first female anchor.
Katie Couric is the first solo female anchor. Happy now:)
Connie Chung was the first female anchor.
November 18, 2006 - 18:04 ET by shawn228Katie Couric is new No, she
November 18, 2006 - 15:15 ET by Jack BauerKatie Couric is new
No, she's 49. That's not new, so stop passing her off as such.
And she's also not the first female "anchor." Though she may be the first former cheerleader to be an anchor. (Anyone know if Cronkite was ever a cheerleader?)
Apart from that, well done!
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militarist/industrialist/capitalist/zionist-bagelist complex
(Anyone know if Cronkite was
November 18, 2006 - 17:02 ET by Dave R(Anyone know if Cronkite was ever a cheerleader?)
Actually, he was a cheerleader for the dems his entire broadcasting career.
Albeit in a decidedly non-per
November 18, 2006 - 17:07 ET by Chris NormanAlbeit in a decidedly non-perky way.
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
- Arabian Proverb
Pelosi 1st Woman Speker of the House
November 18, 2006 - 15:54 ET by Amanda JusticeShawn, you guys gotta be proud of the fact that Pelosi is the first female Spear of the House. Funny though, you didn't seem to give a damn about Dr. Rice being the first ever black female as Secretary of State. And yes, I believe my position is true. Lexus Nexis has 476 articles touting Nancy's "historic" win, yet only 77 articles about Dr. Rice being the first black female Secretary of State. Nice "fair and balanced" for you idiots on the left, huh? But then again, I guess it truly is an extreme achievement for any liberal to succeed at anything - like completely escape Abscam indictment. Heh.
Oh, something I also noticed about "shawn:" In one comment, he completely knows how to edit, punctuate, and capitalize "I;" yet in others, his punctuation is spotty (at best), and his capitalization is crap. Just an abservation.
be proud of the fact
November 18, 2006 - 16:05 ET by tumblerWhere Plastic Face Nan is concerned, these sycophants can be proud she is relatively untainted so far with corruption on a vast scale, as her cohorts Murtha, Jefferson, and Rodham Clinton are. Nancy is independently wealthy. She isn't yet having her palms greased. Tomorrow, who knows?
Queen Botox won't be able to
November 18, 2006 - 17:23 ET by Conservative in the ArtsQueen Botox won't be able to squeze her hand to take the money. Her aids will have to do it.
Just an abservationHmmm, well
November 18, 2006 - 18:00 ET by shawn228Amanda Justice
Just an abservation
Hmmm, well I guess I should not take spelling lessons from you then. I actually think it is a remarkable achievment for a woman especially a black woman to be the Secretary of State. I'm not ignoring the fact, but It is old news....like Don Rumseld:)