Update: The Pelosi/Murtha/Hoyer Fight - Hoyer Wins, Pelosi Loses

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Now that the Democrats have picked their Majority Leader in the House the outcome gives us (and her) the first hint that Speaker Pelosi is not the powerhouse she thought she was. Her man, Murtha, lost in a landslide: 149 to 86... a thumpin' to say the least.

In my last report on how the MSM covered this little inter Dem fight I pointed out that they were ignoring how distant were the two positions on pulling out of Iraq that is held by the erstwhile candidates for Majority Leader.

I noted how they refused to portray Murtha's position as "extreme", even as he supports pulling out of Iraq immediately to Hoyer's, who does not. I noted that the MSM did not waste much breath contrasting Murtha's position with the far less volatile position held by Hoyer.

It seems strangely inconsistent that the MSM ignored the Iraq war issue in their stories since they made the entire recent election all about Iraq and how it is a mess and that our soldiers should come home. Yet, a guy who does not want an immediate pull out defeated Murtha and this fact went uncommented upon.

Instead, the angle that was taken was all about both Murtha and Hoyer's corruption scandals and their various levels of money taken from lobbyists, the issue of Iraq barely given any notice at all.

So now that Hoyer has won, what was the gist of the coverage? I thought I would follow my pre-Majority leader coverage with a wrap up.

David Corn of the Nation made a prediction that has yet to come true, at least with the initial coverage of Hoyer's ascension to Majority leader.

Still, this vote will be depicted as a slam on Pelosi and on the start-withdrawing-now Democrats.

While this story has been reported as an embarrassing loss for Pelosi, no mention has been made by the MSM about how this is a "slam" on the "start-withdrawing-now Democrats." The MSM obviously has the back of Pelosi and the "start-withdrawing-now Democrats", apparently. After all, they have studiously avoided the issue that might bring a harsh light upon them.

A perusal of about a dozen stories today on the outcome of the Dems Majority election shows that the moderate/extremist angle was still passed over. But, curiously, the corruption angle was soft peddled, too, in the aftermath. Yesterday's comments were filled with the corruption of both Hoyer and Murtha, but today it was barely mentioned, as if it was suddenly not that important.

Instead, Hoyer was proclaimed the "moderate" that will perfectly balance Pelosi's "liberal reputation" with Hoyer's "moderate" stance on Iraq constantly portrayed as a positive. Has support for the cut-and-run Democrat suddenly dried up among the MSM now that the Dems have won?

Still, the L.A. Times has no mention of the "moderate" Hoyer in their story, Party gets a rocky start, except to say that Hoyer got the backing of "moderate" Democrats.

The New York Times tried to paint the Democrats as perfectly unified even in the face of this stinging defeat of Pelosi's first attempt at power politics.

But Democrat after Democrat said the outcome of the leadership fight was a reflection that a clear majority of the party believed that Ms. Pelosi and Mr. Hoyer had been a winning combination, despite the strains between them, and that there was no reason to make an abrupt change. In the view of many Democrats, Mr. Hoyer’s moderate image offset her more liberal reputation, and his floor management and vote-counting abilities -- sharply illustrated by his victory today -- free her to concentrate on the party’s broader message.

The San Francisco Chronicle mentions that Pelosi picked Murtha just precisely for his extreme Pull-out-of-Iraq position, but does not really make much of the fact that Murtha lost to a man who doesn't share that position.

Pelosi showed her stance= Speaking of Murtha, who was her campaign manager for her leadership bids, she said that having him as majority leader "would be the best way to end the war in Iraq.''

Murtha said "Nancy asked me to set a policy (on the war) for the Democratic Party. Most of the party signed onto it," he said, referring to his call to pull U.S. troops out of Iraq

That's it. They state it, but do not develop it at all showing a sudden desire to wait and see, apparently. A far cry from the reactionary assumptions they made of Republicans before the election.

TheBoston Herald mirrors the Chronicle's take on the story with a mention of Pelosi's support of Murtha when she issued a "letter of support for him, praising him for having called a year ago for an end to the U.S. military presence in Iraq."

“I salute your courageous leadership that changed the national debate and helped make Iraq the central issue of this historic election,” she wrote.

Four days later, behind closed doors, she lauded Murtha for having altered the course of the campaign debate on the war and said it was in part responsible for the Democrats’ electoral victories. She urged fellow Democrats to elect him majority leader to help her change the course of the war.

Well, she lost even as she based her support for Murtha on that very anti-war issue. The Herald, though, does not develop the point past a mere mention of it.

Reuters at least mentions it most succinctly.

Steny Hoyer, a moderate Maryland Democrat, easily defeated Pennsylvania's John Murtha, a leading proponent of a quick U.S. withdrawal from Iraq, to become the next House majority leader.

Howard Fineman of Newsweek also admitted that Pelosi chose Murtha for his extreme anti-war position:

Her (Pelosi's) original plan was to stay neutral in the race between Hoyer and Rep. Jack Murtha of Pennsylvania. Then she quietly started making calls for Murtha, whom she felt she owed a debt of gratitude for his willingness to oppose the war in Iraq.

But, Fineman also avoids further analysis of the loss as any kind of statement against Murtha's extreme stance.

Time Magazine leaves it at
"The moderate Hoyer won".

Sharp punditry, there!

The Chicago Tribune also made note that "Murtha also led House Democrats in their opposition to President Bush's managing of Iraq" and that this was the reason Pelosi picked him.

Because Murtha, a decorated Marine veteran, was on the vanguard of the Democratic opposition to the Iraq War (he called last November for U.S. troops to be redeployed) Pelosi and many other Democrats publicly said he should be given the high-profile post.

No further discussion from there, however.

Lastly, the WashingtonPost ignored the Murtha/Hoyer comparison instead contrasting Pelosi and Hoyer:

Steny H. Hoyer is a practical moderate and Nancy Pelosi is a liberal idealist, and for more than 40 years they have competed like siblings, all the way to the pinnacle of politics.

The race was long and bitter. Hoyer ran as the more moderate and experienced candidate, while Pelosi portrayed herself as forward thinking and progressive

And in the story from the New York Times mentioned above, Hoyer was proclaimed "a moderately liberal lawmaker with close ties to the business community and a history of strong support for the federal installations in suburban Washington, had political credentials of his own."

Moderately liberal? The ACU gave him a 12% for the 2005 Congress. Not very "moderate", there.

So, what can we conclude from the MSM's coverage of the Hoyer win as Majority Leader?

Several disturbing points emerge:

-The MSM didn't feel that Murtha's loss as an advocate of the get-out-of-Iraq-now caucus to a "moderate" on the issue was important enough to highlight.

-The corruption issue was a non-starter for the MSM -- though it is always a great issue with which to beat up Republicans.

-Pelosi's loss on the get-out-of-Iraq-now issue was not too interesting, either.

This coverage raises some very interesting questions.

Wasn't the recent election all about pulling out of Iraq? Why was this point ignored? Shouldn't it be big news that the Democrats voted down a get-out-now supporter for a so-called "moderate"?

Where are Olbermann, Streisand, Mommie Sheehan, and their ilk calling for the Democrat's head on a pike for turning their back on Pelosi and Murtha for such a "moderate"?

Also, where are the Republicans for pointing out that Pelosi is, indeed, trying to make the pullout position a corner stone of her leadership?

Of course, should the MSM have taken up these questions it would bring strife upon the Democrats in who's corner the MSM sits like tail wagging, puppies. No surprise, there.


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So much for John "We h

So much for John "We have the votes" Murtha. And what's with the WE have the votes? I am sick of politicians speaking in the imperial "we". I guess they think it makes them sound like a "team player" but it's just pretentious and stupid.

The extreme dream team walk

The extreme dream team walks off the end of the surfboard while trying to hang ten. Noses bruised when they hit the beach.

Film at 11.

I would hope that when choosi

I would hope that when choosing a person for a leadership position that the 'electorate' would look at more than one issue.

You know, like when the electorate voted out GOP politicians. Iraq may have been the major issue, but it was far from the ONLY issue that voters considered.

You know, like how GOP politicians elected a Senate Leader that had resigned the post years ago.  I'm sure they looked past that one 'issue' and looked at his stance and abilities on many fronts.

Just a wild guess on my part.

Did you READ the post here?

crshedd

Did you READ the post here? I doubt it. I know it was long, but don't tell me you can't pay attention that long?

We are talking here about the MEDIA'S reaction, NOT the voter's OR the leadership's actual voting.

You might not realize this, but NewsBusters is a site that discusses the MEDIA.

Warner,I'm just an amateur at

Warner,

I'm just an amateur at this "political analysis" stuff. I mean, I've paid attention for years, and can usually spot the hypocrisy and spin, but I don't research it as someone like you does. Ditto for the mindset and tactics of the players, be they Dems or Reps. Like Will Rogers, "All I know is what I read in the newspapers," or words to that effect.

However, I have some thoughts on your confusion about a few aspects of this story (or "non-story") and the possible meaning of the apparent dichotemy between reality and appearances. I'll try to be brief, but if you're familiar with my style, you know what to expect.  ;^)

Easiest to me is to deal with the MSM's reaction to all this. IMO, you hit the nail in your last paragraph: "Of course, should the MSM have taken up these questions it would bring strife upon the Democrats in who's corner the MSM sits like tail wagging, puppies. No surprise, there."

The MSM was only interested in the "out of Iraq" angle insofar as it could be used to bash the R's, skew the polls, and elect the D's. Beyond that, like the Dems, "there's no 'there' there." They don't really HAVE a principled objection to the war, other than using it as a tool to get their way. Not surprising that, now that it's served it's purpose, the "tool" has been cast aside. Ditto the MSM's "sense of outrage" that, suddenly, the Dems don't seem to be all that united in the "pull out NOW" aspects of Iraq. It was a straw man from the start, IMO. Used and discarded.

Now, the Dems supposed "internal rift," that's being ignored. Well, the "ignoring" part is addressed above. But I don't think there's any REAL "rift" at all. My best guess would be along the lines of : Pelosi showed "balance" by appearing to back Murtha, who supposedly represented "a majority" of the party. The vote showed that to not be true. But it could be portrayed as an "olive branch" type offering to the "get out" crowd, who proved less numerous "than we thought." So, "the big tent" made the accomodation. Pelosi can't really BE blamed for offering someone she "thought represented" that viewpoint.

Instead, they elected Hoyer, who appears to be a "git-R-done" politician. He may be more suited to shepherding votes through the process, enabling Pelosi to push her agenda better than Murtha could have. Holding together "veto-proof" coalitions, for instance. And the lop-sidedness of the vote shows either that Pelosi has no idea what she's doing (tempting thought, but not realistic, right?) or that everything went pretty much according to the back-room plan.

As to the so-called "Blue Dog," newly-elected, "moderate" Democrats, I think I'll watch their voting records before I make any judgements on their true, "conservative" bona fides. If they want their chance at the helm, they'll toe the line for now.

As I said, I'm just an "armchair quarterback." A personal analogy: I'm an aircraft buff, and fairly knowledgable for one who isn't a pilot (well, 20 hours of f/t, but I never even "flared" for a landing without another set of hands on the controls). But I would never presume to second-guess a REAL pilot. Just, some thoughts occurred, and I toss them out here. All of them just being "guesses," or MHO, if you'd prefer.

But that's how I'd spin this, if it was my call. 

Regards,

IJ

<edit> In re: your response to crshedd, I read your post. Didn't check the links, though. I thought reading it would be pretty relevant to responding to it. Maybe some don't.  "Call it....a hunch!" lol.    IJ

Pelosi showed &quot;balance&q

Pelosi showed "balance" by appearing to back Murtha, who supposedly represented "a majority" of the party.

IJ, are you suggesting Pelosi's support for Murtha was disegenuous?

I was thinking that was a possibility as well.  Nancy is a lib, but she is not a complete idiot.  She had to know that Murtha's ethical problems were of a more recent vintage than CNN was trying to tell us yesterday.  These problems could blow up at any time.  She also had to know he really did not "have the votes," even though he was the media darling, and everyone else's as well, except for a sizeable number of dems in the House.  That vote was very one-sided.

After all, did Murtha not challenge Nancy for the speakership himself? It seems to me that, contrary to the way it is being reported, this was actually a win-win for Nancy.  In one day she becomes Speaker of the House and manages to knock Murtha back into obscurity,  If his ethical problems ever do blow up, they can then just quietly throw him under the bus, and her having "supported" him for majority leader will be conveniently forgotten by the MSM.

&quot;IJ, are you suggesting

"IJ, are you suggesting Pelosi's support for Murtha was disegenuous?"

Who, moi?    ...    ;^D

You put it more succinctly than I did, but yes, I think it was all calculated "smoke and mirrors." In fact, even if they DO throw Murtha "under the bus," I don't think it could hurt Pelosi. Hell, all she did was "give him a chance," in the eyes of the Dems AND the MSM. And we all know, those are the only opinions that count with them.

"Tolerance for divergent viewpoints," dontcha know....

Commence "spin cycle." ...   ;^)

<edit>  btw, concur with your "win-win" comment as well. ...  IJ

Since there are no reporters

Since there are no reporters anymore, only "rip-and-read" opinionists, I was wondering if there were some back-office deals - Nancy backs Murtha, in public, but let's him know that's only for appearances. Since she knows that the msm (Lsm) are Gunga Dinning for the demo-lib party, her back is covered, and she can continue to intimidate the newbies, with non-offers for committee assignments. She is a political animal, with nothing of substance as a background. Think it through - like the Thigh-master Hillary, they have no or very, very little "paper" trail to show for their time in politics - no major bills or policies to their credit. What will be her proposals, and how will she move them through the process? How will she use her "power" then if she can't get her "guy" elected, unless of course there were some backroom deals? The next congress will certaily be interesting.

There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad

I pretty much agree with yo

I pretty much agree with you with much of what you said. But, this piece was not discussing the Dems ultimate strategy, but the Media's bias.

I do disagree with one thing, though. You give Pelosi too much credit for a Machiavellian attempt saying she was OK with making herself look bad to "offer an olive branch" to the anti-wat crowd. Yet seemed to know Murtha would not win.

This is too early for such a move and her own history does not make that interpretation make any sense. She has ALWAYS stood on the anti-war position and it is perfectly sensible that she wanted to further that position. I think she truly thought her position of power was enough to swing the votes.

She was startlingly wrong showing she does not understand her power base, her position, or her ability to shape the debate.

But, that aside, this was still all about the Media's bias on the story.

Well, as I stated pretty much

Well, as I stated pretty much up-front, Warner, I'm more than willing to defer to your judgement. I'm just kind of blue-skying it, and the actions of the Dems kind of got my attention. I'm just trying to figure them out, because I never believe that "what you see is what you get" with them. 

I pretty much knew next-to-nothing about Pelosi until the talk of her being the next Speaker started, and I still don't know much about her style. I was just speaking from a generic, anything-for-power attitude that I automatically attribute to most Dems. I just kind of go where my thoughts lead me. I had no intention of diverting the thread-topic. Sorry.

No need to be sorry. I'm ju

No need to be sorry. I'm just noting you are talking politicians and I was talking the media, is all. No harm in a discussion and passing ideas back and forth about the issue.

Like I said, I agree with some of what you said.

Okay, Warner, truce.....I had

Okay, Warner, truce.....

I had gotten slammed a bit on another thread (rather unfairly, I thought), and may have been (hell, WAS) in a bit of a touchy mood.

We're good, buddy. Thanks. ...   ;^)

Regards,

IJ 

No problemo.But I still hat

No problemo.

But I still hate you...*snicker*

:)

Jack Murtha Blogs

And now Jack Murtha tries to blog it all away:

Blowhard Jack Murtha Blogs Blather

P.J.,Great stuff! The Murtha

P.J.,

Great stuff! The Murtha blog is good, but I'm practically rotflmao at the comments! I want to respond to them!

Man, the moonbats are in full-flight!

And they don't even know which direction to fly!!!

PJ...great stuff...the commit

PJ...great stuff...the commits are really eye opening to what kind of lunatic is out there. Halarious...A must read...

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

Bass,&quot;Great minds,&quot;

Bass,

"Great minds," eh, buddy? But I think one of us owes the other a "cite!"

Just not sure which it is....       ;^D

I just hope that no one notices that we're never seen together at the same time.....

ROTFLMAO!!!

More that likely I owe you...

More that likely I owe you....hard to type with your eyes watering, clutching your side...lol

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

LOL!!! Same here, that's why

LOL!!! Same here, that's why I think we call it a draw!

LMAO!

I thought the best comment ab

I thought the best comment about the election came from Hardball.  First Mathews recounted his talk on Wednesday with Murtha...

MATTHEWS:  Are you going to win?

MURTHA:  We‘re going to win.  We‘ve got the votes.

MATTHEWS:  You‘ve got them?

MURTHA:  We‘ve got the votes.

MATTHEWS:  Eyeball to eyeball, you‘ve got them?

MURTHA:  Eyeball to eyeball.

Then he had a guest on who I believe is a freshman congressman from Florida who summed up the vote as "we needed to save Nancy from herself."  The gist I got from that was that while Pilosi sees Murtha as a trusted agent, most saw him as a cut & run guy with serious ethics issues, and both of those issues are losers for them.

from today's NYT editorial:T

from today's NYT editorial:

The well-known shortcomings of Mr. Murtha were broadcast for all to see — from his quid-pro-quo addiction to moneyed lobbyists to the grainy government tape of his involvement in the Abscam scandal a generation ago.

...But when he called for withdrawing the troops from Iraq, he was made out to be some kind of a hero... it was wall to wall Murtha... unbelievable

Validating once agin Will Rog

Validating once agin Will Rogers comment about not belonging to an organized political party, being a Democrat.

How goofy was Pelosi to mak

How goofy was Pelosi to make this information public before the vote? No doubt internal leaks poisoned Murtha's opportunity and in the end put a different light on Pelosi.

JDW

Kerry: "You know, education, if you make the most of it ... you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq."