The global warming debate got even funnier on Thursday. When we last spoke, the National Oceanic & Atmospheric Administration had released data indicating that 2006 likely wouldn’t be the warmest year on record, and no media outlets had yet covered the story. Well, much to my surprise, ABCNews.com did report this announcement, but did so by doing their darnedest to inform readers that this recent two-month cold snap is irrelevant in the grand scheme of the global warming discussion. Stick with this, because it’s really hysterical.
In an article titled (I’m not kidding!) “Weather Is Not Climate; Cooler Weather and Fewer Hurricanes Do Not Lessen Global Warming Trends, Say Scientists,” authors Clayton Sandell and Bill Blakemore began (emphasis mine throughout):
You probably noticed there were fewer Atlantic hurricanes this year. Melting Arctic sea ice came extremely close to but didn't break the record minimum of summer 2005. And today, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, or NOAA, announced two months of cooler-than-average temperatures across the United States.
So what happened to global warming?
Scientists who study climate say they get that question every time there's a cold spell. Their answer: It's important to keep in mind an important concept.
Weather is not climate.
I’m not kidding. Check the link if you don’t believe me. But, here was the pivotal sentence in this piece. Please pay close attention: “And that, said climate scientists, means the occasional cold snap is not inconsistent with global warming, just as a heat wave may not by itself indicate global warming.”
Actually, Sandell and Blakemore weren’t being completely honest with their readers. To be sure, they unquestionably felt that the occasional cold snap was not inconsistent with global warming. However, a heat wave certainly was a sign of the malady. Conveniently, they both forgot what Blakemore had reported on “Good Morning America” on August 4 of this year right after the hot July the nation suffered:
Yes. Chris, it's been 21 days of brutal heat, a coast-to-coast double heat wave leaving at least 186 people dead, massive damage to crops and livestock. And yes, it's got folks everywhere asking if it's part of global warming, and thus a sign that Earth will keep getting hotter. The scientists say yes, global warming is involved. First, it fits the pattern predicted 30 years ago, more frequent and intense heat waves. More than 50 cities just broke records.
Get the point? A two-month cold snap, including the earliest snowfall in Chicago history, doesn’t represent proof that the globe isn’t warming. But, any time temperatures rise above normal for a few days, the global warming myth must be fact. Isn’t that great?
Blakemore continued:
And scientists say it's global warming since it's in many countries. Here we viewed studies of Europe's 2003 heat wave, which killed more than 35,000 people, calculated that man-made greenhouse emissions had at least doubled the risk of a heat wave of that severity. A sign of worse to come? ABC News got a look at one of the main reasons scientists say so.
Did ABC do a report suggesting that such pressures might be waning as a result of the recent two-month cold spell which has likely stopped this from being the warmest year on record? Or discussed the fact that even though there are some scientists that contend the earth is warming, the hottest temperatures on record are still 72 years old?
What do you think?
What follows is a full transcript of this August 4, 2006, segment for your entertainment pleasure.
CONTENT: GLOBAL WARMING, EARTH, HEAT WAVE
CHRIS CUOMO (ABC NEWS)
(Off-camera) This morning, across much of the country, the heat wave has finally snapped. But these record setting temperatures have many people wondering whether global warming is to blame.
GRAPHICS: LOS ANGELES TIMES POLL
CHRIS CUOMO (ABC NEWS)
(Voiceover) Seventy percent of Americans say global warming is a problem. And 58% say the White House is not doing enough to fix it.
CHRIS CUOMO (ABC NEWS)
(Off-camera) ABC's Bill Blakemore more has been covering this story for us as part of our 'Global Warming" series and joins us now in Times Square with more. Bill?
GRAPHICS: GLOBAL WARMING: GLOBAL WARNING
BILL BLAKEMORE (ABC NEWS)
(Off-camera) Yes. Chris, it's been 21 days of brutal heat, a coast-to-coast double heat wave leaving at least 186 people dead, massive damage to crops and livestock. And yes, it's got folks everywhere asking if it's part of global warming, and thus a sign that Earth will keep getting hotter.
GRAPHICS: IT'S GETTING HOT IN HERE
GRAPHICS: NEW PROOF OF GLOBAL WARMING
BILL BLAKEMORE (ABC NEWS)
(Voiceover) The scientists say yes, global warming is involved. First, it fits the pattern predicted 30 years ago, more frequent and intense heat waves. More than 50 cities just broke records.
GRAPHICS: GLOBAL WARMING
GRAPHICS: 2006, HOTTEST YEAR YET
BILL BLAKEMORE (ABC NEWS)
(Voiceover) 2005 had the hottest temperature yet recorded. The four runners-up? The previous four years. 2006, on track for hottest yet. Nighttime temperatures across these years were especially high.
GRAPHICS: COURTESY: NASA
BILL BLAKEMORE (ABC NEWS)
(Voiceover) And scientists say it's global warming since it's in many countries. Here we viewed studies of Europe's 2003 heat wave, which killed more than 35,000 people, calculated that man-made greenhouse emissions had at least doubled the risk of a heat wave of that severity. A sign of worse to come? ABC News got a look at one of the main reasons scientists say so.
BILL BLAKEMORE (ABC NEWS)
(Voiceover) The government's immense super computer in Boulder, Colorado. One of 16 around the world working day and night to calculate the impact of man's carbon emissions, which they project on this big sphere. Starting in the 1960s, blue is cooler.
DOCTOR SANDY MCDONALD (NOAA)
Nice, pleasant temperatures. Then all at once by today, we see it warm up.
BILL BLAKEMORE (ABC NEWS)
(Voiceover) Yellow is warmer than normal. That's the entire planet in 2001, five years ago.
DOCTOR SANDY MCDONALD (NOAA)
And now, we look through time, and we can go through the decades.
BILL BLAKEMORE (ABC NEWS)
(Voiceover) Red is much warmer. That's only 45 years from now.
DOCTOR SANDY MCDONALD (NOAA)
North America is really warming up.
BILL BLAKEMORE (ABC NEWS)
(Voiceover) Today's toddlers barely into middle age. And it gets hotter. Washington legislators of both parties are scrambling for solutions, calling for action.
PAT ROBERTSON ('THE 700 CLUB")
I have not been one who believed in this global warming, but I tell you - they're making a convert out of me.
BILL BLAKEMORE (ABC NEWS)
(Voiceover) Even Christian broadcaster Pat Robertson who had called extreme weather a sign of biblical apocalypse, converted in this heat wave to more scientific language.
PAT ROBERTSON ("THE 700 CLUB")
The ice caps are melting and there is a build up of carbon dioxide in the air.
BILL BLAKEMORE (ABC NEWS)
(Off-camera) And, Chris, Pat Robertson there is just one of a number of, of, of people, a growing number who are saying they finally get it now about global warming.
CHRIS CUOMO (ABC NEWS)
(Off-camera) The science is starting to sway. And you brought something that shows the threat not just from above, but below the ocean surface.
BILL BLAKEMORE (ABC NEWS)
(Voiceover) Indeed, this is new footage from scientists diving off the coast of California of methane, a natural gas that's also a very strong greenhouse gas. It's bubbling up from enormous reservoirs of methane under the seafloor, frozen in under the seafloor. Scientists are worried that as the sea currents get warmer and warmer, which they are expecting to happen for at least the next 30 or 40 years, large amounts of this methane might get out and make the Earth even hotter. They believe it's happened in the past from natural causes and that's why they say that we have really got to stop this artificial burning of fossil fuels, of coal, oil and gas.
CHRIS CUOMO (ABC NEWS)
(Off-camera) So just to be very clear, this is something that we are contributing to, we're doing it? Not about the Earth?
BILL BLAKEMORE (ABC NEWS)
(Off-camera) The global warming in general. Yes, after about 40 years of debate, all of the credible scientists on the planet now say it's quite clear that man is making this much worse. And, in fact, most of them are saying that, if it weren't for burning fossil fuels, we would probably be now in a slight cooling period.
CHRIS CUOMO (ABC NEWS)
(Off-camera) Hmm. Bill, thank you for the education. Diane?
—Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters.
Comments Policy
Um, Noel....Hot. No wait. C
November 17, 2006 - 00:27 ET by BlondeUm, Noel....
Hot. No wait. Cold.
Um....confused?
Global Warming? Global Cooling?
Help, danbo....help danbo!!!
Sheesh!
P.S. Noel.....thanks for no hurricanes this year. That was really, truly helpful.
Let's face it. Taken at face
November 17, 2006 - 08:08 ET by danboLet's face it. Taken at face value. If the threat of this supposed catastrophy were real. We should be considering moblizing the military. Invading china and india and force them to cease in their diabolical attempts at modernization.
Instead they want to put a carbon tax on your car. And the bananas you eat. So we can pay for china's and india's industrialization.
The world is ending. If Hollywood libs pay the carbon taxes on their limos and private jets. they too can participate in the destruction of the planet.
"Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of truth and knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods." Albert Einstein
I don't think you need help B
November 17, 2006 - 08:26 ET by danboI don't think you need help Blondie. I think you see clearly through the scam.
I hope global warming gives us a couple of more the sky is falling quiet hurricane seasons like this year. We could use them.
This is part of the Circus I talked about. Grab some peanuts and enjoy the show. There will be lot's of "Gaaaw. I can't believe they said that". Or did that. There's plenty of clowns in this circus.
"Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of truth and knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods." Albert Einstein
danbo,Thanks for riding to my
November 17, 2006 - 18:38 ET by Blondedanbo,
Thanks for riding to my rescue on this issue, yet again. ;-)
You said to "enjoy the show". Unfortunately, the show, at this point, is 99.9% Global Warming boobs. I've only seen Sen. Ihofe (sp?) really go after the continual bleating of the myth.
This is kind of funny, tho. Manbearpig calls the US & Australia the "Bonnie & Clyde" of the "global climate crisis". Even funnier, check out the picture of Gore. (could have been a captionfest).
You don't need rescuing. yo
November 17, 2006 - 19:11 ET by danboYou don't need rescuing. you and members of this group do fine.
I don't know if you recall the name of David Wojich. He's one of the scientists on the lists that we periodically post. A few things he's been saying lately has helped me.He thinks the Greens have finally bitten off more than they can chew. The DDT fiasco was out of sight in the 3rd world for the most part. This one will be in eveyones yard. They'll never get enough reduction in CO2. (Europe can't seem to do it.) So there will be demands for more and more money and sacrifices.
I may be hoping for 2 much. But this has the capacity to send the UN the way of the League of Nations and the Dodo bird.
"Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of truth and knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods." Albert Einstein
danbo,I was being ironical (t
November 17, 2006 - 19:21 ET by Blondedanbo,
I was being ironical (to quote some stupid movie I can't quite think of).
I have, however, learned much on the topic from your discussion (and supporting cites), as well as others, here. May as well admit it, before I started reading NB, I guess I believed alot of what I heard on the news. No more.
This is going to sound wierd.
November 17, 2006 - 19:54 ET by danboThis is going to sound wierd. I think I'm kind of the opposite of most people around here.
I used to be a pretty liberal guy. But global warming just made no sense. It conflicted too much with what I knew. (Probably why I address this area more than most.) I had a framework prior to the warming hype. I would have had to lie to myself to accept it.
When the libs and media kept hyping it. I believe it was that great scientific mind of Peter Jennings that said we were members of the flat earth society. I saw what they were doing in other areas also.
I think most people here are sceptics because they're conservative. I'm a conservative because i'm a sceptic.
In that group where we were fighting that australian communist. One of the sceptic members pointed out that scepticism is a good innoculation against communism.
If all you're told is the sky is falling. And they tell you everyone says that. It's natural to believe that's correct. they wouldn't lie. You've seen them lie in many other areas. And I saw them lying here. I knew there was another side. And i remember the scares of the 60's and 70's of an impinging ice age.
Have a great day.
"Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of truth and knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods." Albert Einstein
Blonde
November 17, 2006 - 11:37 ET by Noel SheppardB,
Who predicted a much lower than expected hurricane season right here at these message boards? :-) ns
To the brilliant Mr. Sheppard
November 17, 2006 - 21:54 ET by BlondeTo the brilliant Mr. Sheppard,
Thank you again for the most calming, wonderful hurricane season.
Way to go, Noel.
As to your predictive abilities....you could have done a little better with the elections.
Maybe next time.
Blonde
November 17, 2006 - 23:36 ET by Noel SheppardB,
LOL! Yes, if I was as good at predicting elections as hurricanes, we would have had much more fun election night. Agreed? :-)
In all honestly, I wish my election predictions -- for the sake of the country if not for Floridians -- would have been better than my hurricane prognostication. ns
Hurricane Predictions
November 17, 2006 - 23:44 ET by BlondeGood Evening....Genius Noel (you've been promoted, guy).
Quite so. I tried, and tried, to make my fingers type the exact same thing about the election. To no avail.
I can (maybe) handle dems in Congress....a flattened house, on the other hand, is an entirely different matter.
Occasionally, all things come together, and we shall have a great, great year. I am hoping in 2008.
(Okay, my Gators are #4, big game this weekend....and well, now you see why I am a glass half full kind of person!).
Honestly, I hope they are rig
November 17, 2006 - 00:35 ET by saw the lightHonestly, I hope they are right about global warming. And I hope that no one does anything about it. I am not rich, but I have always dreamed of living on the ocean. Since I live in Missouri and cannot move to the ocean, it'll have to come to me!
Gotta go buy me a Hummer!
"People everywhere confuse what they read in newspapers with news." - A.J. Liebling
Global warming and global coo
November 17, 2006 - 00:41 ET by mattmGlobal warming and global cooling happen concurrently every day. The sunny side of the earth warms up while the dark side cools down. Simple.
mattm - GW
November 17, 2006 - 00:49 ET by misterbillDuh, which side is the sunny side??? I want to go there.
"It appears [their] hi
November 17, 2006 - 00:50 ET by Mean Gene Dr. Love"It appears [their] hipocrisy knowns no bounds"
'When you wade into political life you have every right to say what you want, but you cannot in turn argue that no one has the right to take you on'... --Rush Limbaugh
my little global warming corner
November 17, 2006 - 01:04 ET by mastersofdeceitHey I've been enjoying my unseasonably(?) high temp november. Sheesh a few of these days over the last 2 weeks have hit 90's. Indian Summer?
Looks like another great weekend shaping up.
"Indian Summer?"
November 17, 2006 - 02:44 ET by ckc1227"Indian Summer?"
Shouldn't that be "Native American" Summer?
:)
FYI
November 17, 2006 - 11:15 ET by RackieIt has been suggested that the term "Indian Summer" came about because the word "Indian" had been adopted as a term amoung early colonists to describe something false or a poor imitation of the real thing, like Indian tea or Indian corn. (and no, we shouldn't stop using the term!)
Noel, I don't mean to be pi
November 17, 2006 - 02:53 ET by danangvetNoel, I don't mean to be picky but it's called the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. It's not an assoc.
and I just read that you got
November 17, 2006 - 02:55 ET by danangvetand I just read that you got that so forget my last post. I'm going to bed now.
“And that, said climate sci
November 17, 2006 - 02:59 ET by Bricklayer“And that, said climate scientists, means the occasional cold snap is not inconsistent with global warming, just as a heat wave may not by itself indicate global warming.”
So, basically, all of the news reports on GW-induced heatwaves can be disregarded along with the opinions of climate scientists?
Noel, thanks for a good laugh today. I love a bit of irony on a long Friday at the office.
Edit: I wonder why climate scientists aren't getting into climate engineering? If it's so easy to increase global temperatures through artificial means, why aren't we doing everything we can to reduce heat/humidity in the summer and take a bit of the bite off of those cold winter months? Maybe we should be researching localized warming/cooling?
What's really great about t
November 17, 2006 - 03:06 ET by robert108What's really great about the globalwarmingists is that they have all the bases covered. If it's warm, that's global warming; if it's cold, that's global warming; if it's raining a lot, that is global warming, and if it's dry, that is also global warming. In other words, it's global warming because they say it is. We should just listen to them and regress to the Stone Age, which was paradise on Earth. Yeah, right!
IPCC has also taken a lesson
November 17, 2006 - 07:45 ET by danboIPCC has also taken a lesson is definitions from Bill Clinton. "What do you mean; he may not have been including oral sex. When he said, 'I did not have sex with that woman'"
IPCC's 2 definitions of climate change. ! includes change caused by natural events as shifts in the sun, or shifts in the oceanic oscillations.
Definition 2, says climate change is caused by man.
Now a study on the natural causes of climate change can go into IPCC. Whirl around a bit and come out as proof of man's destruction of the environment.
The end of the world has been postponed till after the taxes are collected.
"Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of truth and knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods." Albert Einstein
"Definition 2, says cli
November 17, 2006 - 13:24 ET by Jerry"Definition 2, says climate change is caused by man."
That depends on what the meaning of the word IS IS.... : )
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
Oh good God! It is a shame
November 17, 2006 - 03:14 ET by liberal_bug_zapperOh good God! It is a shame they are so good at their propaganda. My mother, father, sister and even my wife believe them, and all of them think I'm just being some arrogant ass when I say that those scientists they bring on are shills for environmental extremist view points.
Hell, even if global warming is happening, it's a damn sight better than the alternative.... Ice Age anyone? The majority of the Earth becomes an extreme desert in an Ice Age, so, lush vegitation too much for them? I guess they want frozen deserts and the majority of people on the Earth dying from starvation.... Oh wait, I'm pretty sure I've read somewhere that environmentalists want to see the majority of humans killed off to save the planet. Yep, that's them. The Liberals. So dangerous, that if we let them keep getting their way, they'll take us all and put us on communes picking vegatables to feed their elite intelligencia.
...if we let them keep gettin
November 17, 2006 - 05:18 ET by PeskyDane...if we let them keep getting their way, they'll take us all and put us on communes picking vegatables to feed their elite intelligencia.
And you have a problem with that?
Seriously - they've already tried that in Cambodia... I'm sure the libtards would say (as with everyone of their failed policies) that it simply needs to be tried again. This time we'll get it perfect!
Global Warming Benefits
November 17, 2006 - 07:25 ET by fosstenPersonally, I can see an upside to Global Warming:
1. The ice caps melt.
2. Europe is completely underwater. (Bye!)
3. Louisville (where I live) suddenly has beaches and no winters.
I'm liking this better and better.
Beach front property in lov
November 17, 2006 - 19:18 ET by BlameTheMediaBeach front property in lovely Nevada...
I could get used to it.
I was reading somewhere on Ic
November 17, 2006 - 09:01 ET by dscottI was reading somewhere on Ice Age conditions that summers have actually more intense heat waves in addition to drier conditions at certain latitudes, which is counter intuitive. The paradoxical thing is that fall and winter in Ice Age conditions have more precip and thus you get snow not in inches but feet. Err, umm, kind of like what we have been experiencing the last couple of years...
“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius
What is the effect of the pre
November 17, 2006 - 15:04 ET by dscottWhat is the effect of the precessional cycle? The precession cycle modifies where the equinoxes and solstices occur in the Earth's, influencing the seasonal cycle. Currently, the Earth's axis points toward Polaris. In 12,000 years, the axis will be tilted toward Vega, and the orbital positions at which winter and summer solstices occur will be reversed. Consequently, the Northern hemisphere will experience winter near aphelion and summer will occur near perihelion. Thus, seasonal contrasts will be greater than they are today.
So in other words if you wind the clock back 12k years, ice age summers were hotter and winters were colder than they are now.
“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius
"kind of like what we ha
November 17, 2006 - 15:11 ET by DarkCurrent"kind of like what we have been experiencing the last couple of years..."
That's because on geological scales we're in an Ice Age that's been going for millions of years. Any human-induced glogal warming is icing on the cake (so to speak).
But I did see the tide coming in a little higher today... could be the extra mass we put on the moon...
I am trying to remember . . .
November 17, 2006 - 07:20 ET by King of the BritonsI am trying to remember . . . but there was a scary, dangerous, and horrible thing that I think I can remember when I was a kid that put the same kind of fear into everyone at one time or another - It was called the BOOGEYMAN! I think that we have found the modern age's Boogeyman - thy name is Global Warming. <lightning / thunder / evil laughing>
Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!´´
--Patrick Henry
But we have to forget about f
November 17, 2006 - 12:26 ET by danboBut we have to forget about false threats. Like people flying planes into building, people blowing up trains. people trying to blow up subways, people cutting the the heads off little girls because they're christian. Genocide in the Sudan and Rwanda.
We have to protect the world from real threats like the tailpipe of my pickup.
"Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of truth and knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods." Albert Einstein
OK, I don't know if Global
November 17, 2006 - 07:35 ET by JasonCOK, I don't know if Global warming is real or not; my grasp of meterology just isn't that good. All I know is it's been 65 degrees in northern VT for the last two weeks and it's starting to freak me out.
"If their sins were as scarlet, they are now white as snow" Isaiah 1:18
Miami's citizens were "
November 17, 2006 - 07:41 ET by sarcasmoMiami's citizens were "freaked out" when it snowed a few years ago, too, but that unusual incindent proved exactly as much about global warming as 2 unusual weeks in VT. 0.
JMR
On weather
November 17, 2006 - 09:28 ET by UnsaneWell, it DID snow south and east of a major Texas city which rarely, if ever, sees snow in 2004; it snowed in Lisbon and New Delhi last winter, and it snowed in Johannesburg in July 2006. Seems to me events like these should become RARER if global warming was occurring, no? AND even if it was happening, then we would have to determine what is causing it (the industrialization of man quite possibly being a coincidental event!).
"Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy." -Sir Winston Churchill, British statesman (1874-1965)
Blakemore
November 17, 2006 - 07:52 ET by allanfBlakemore is one of the leading global warming alarmists in the media. He has already made his mind. and is not open to arguments that may not give with his view.
He stated:
"After extensive searches, ABC News has found no [scientific] debate" on whether the planet is warming as a result of man's activity"
Evidently Blakemore needs to search a more carefully. The catch all phrase "scientists say" does not pass for journal quality scientific work.
He didn't find any disagreeme
November 17, 2006 - 09:13 ET by danboHe didn't find any disagreement in the news room. He didn't look too many other places.
"Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of truth and knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods." Albert Einstein
Of course not! That would r
November 17, 2006 - 09:30 ET by UnsaneOf course not! That would require research, which would require...objectivity, critical thinking, moving out of the newsroom and away from his friends, and above all....WORK and EFFORT.
"Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy." -Sir Winston Churchill, British statesman (1874-1965)
When I was a kid, Robert Hein
November 17, 2006 - 08:14 ET by Ruths husband BenWhen I was a kid, Robert Heinlein was predicting that by this time the scientists would have the weather under control. It would only rain at night and we couild tweak the temperature at will. Well here we are 40 years later, "global warming" fears has every tree-hugger's bladder out of control (they should check out 'Depends' undergarments) and I planted grass seed a few weeks ago and there is a frost on the ground. Could use a little global warming right about now!
(Off-camera) The science is s
November 17, 2006 - 08:36 ET by Dave R(Off-camera) The science is starting to sway. And you brought something that shows the threat not just from above, but below the ocean surface.
BILL BLAKEMORE (ABC NEWS)
(Voiceover) Indeed, this is new footage from scientists diving off the coast of California of methane, a natural gas that's also a very strong greenhouse gas. It's bubbling up from enormous reservoirs of methane under the seafloor,
So, when are we going to hear about Karl Rove'a methane generating machine?
Kooks.
Liberal-Speak
November 17, 2006 - 09:12 ET by Full MonteScientists, the only people on the planet who really know anything, have been keeping track of temperatures for a little more than 100 years (the earth has been warming and cooling for BILLIONS of years) - so any warming since we have been keeping track must be the fault of humans.
Personally, I think it's a good thing - gas prices are down because the libs have everyone thinking the winter is going to be mild because of global warming. Sure am glad Karl Rove can control the weather.
If you really want to stop global warming, take the advice of a Nobel Prize winning scientist (smartest of the smartest people in the world) and just make more pollution!
Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake. - Napoleon Bonaparte
Global Warming
November 17, 2006 - 09:35 ET by pbanks7I love these guys. Here's how I bamboozle them:
Tell them the Earth has been warming for about 10,000 years.
Ask them if they've heard of the Medieval Warming Period. That's when they were raising sheep on Greenland.
Ask them what we should do about global warming on Mars. Then tell them to Google "global warming mars."
"bububububububaaaaaa...."
Gets 'em every time.
If they're not a mindless idiot and actually want to know more, send them here:
Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine, Global Warming Petition http://www.oism.org/pproject/s33p357.htm "Refute that, beyotch!"
Ignorance is bliss. It's easier to repeat a mindless slogan than to do some actual research.
Your link is the Sietz petiti
November 17, 2006 - 10:07 ET by NL207Your link is the Sietz petition. They [gloabl warming alarmists] will claim the Sietz petition has been long ago debunked with these points:
I have never faced a debater who ever backed any of these assertions up with any kind of fact.
Then, if they are at all knowledgeable, they will retreat to the recent NAS summary report which declares that anthropogenic global warming is a fact. This is an easy target to impeach because it opens its abstract with a statement of fact that is in direct conflict with the NOAA measurements on the subject.
There no reason to ever lose a public debate with these alarmists.
We have a couple of these clowns who visit here regularly: throatwobbler and johnbo. The bulk of their argumentrs are: 'government funded experts say it is so; therefore it must be so'. No critical thinking on their part whatsoever.
The bulk of their argumentr
November 17, 2006 - 12:37 ET by danboThe bulk of their argumentrs are: 'government funded experts say it is so; therefore it must be so'. No critical thinking on their part whatsoever.
One of those experts took a big grant from Theresa Kerry. But you can't listen to any scientist who got a free pen with a fill up at an Exxon station.
"Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of truth and knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods." Albert Einstein
Ask them why Leif Erikson c
November 17, 2006 - 11:01 ET by NortonPeteAsk them why Leif Erikson called Greenland, Greenland. ( hint: it was green around 970 ad.) The Vikings lived there for 3-4 hundred years and had 500+ farms. They left around 1450 ad as the mini ice age of 1500 occurred. What are they going to say when the glacier melts and we find Leif's barn full of hay?
Not Lief's but viking barns h
November 17, 2006 - 12:45 ET by danboNot Lief's but viking barns have been excavated in greenland.
"Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of truth and knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods." Albert Einstein
I had always heard...
November 17, 2006 - 12:49 ET by Guy Arthur ThomasI remember learing that Greenland was purposely named this because it was actually ICED over and ICELAND was the green area so to keep people from going to ICELAND which was really quite nice they named it ICELAND and the truly ICED over place was named GREENLAND. I am certain I learned with at one time...and it was before John Stewart was on television....
I am a member of LSCA (Lazy Spell Checkers Anonymous).
GAT...yes, that is what I was
November 17, 2006 - 12:53 ET by bassndudeGAT...yes, that is what I was told to. However that was in the 50's and 60's and not so much had been found at that time. There has been a wealth of information discovered sence then. Come to find out, the text books were, *GASP* wrong!!
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Text books wrong?
November 17, 2006 - 12:54 ET by Guy Arthur ThomasNo wonder Algebra II was so damned confusing!!!!
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Iceland was found 1st. And se
November 17, 2006 - 14:21 ET by danboIceland was found 1st. And settled. Though there had been trips to a place that sounds like Greenland. It wasn't till Eric (I think it was Eric) Was banished from Iceland that he moved and settled in what became Greenland. After his bannishment was over he returned to Iceland wh=ere he found othere who joined him.
"Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of truth and knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods." Albert Einstein
You missed the thread where o
November 17, 2006 - 13:20 ET by dscottYou missed the thread where one guy was arguing that the Viking farms in Greenland didn't mean crop production just Dairy farming and livestock. It was a hoot.
Just for giggles, remember the huge cabbages and other veges grown in Alaska? It was due to the 20+ hours of sunlight during the short summer. Guess what latitude those enormus veges are grown at, hint, the same latitude as the Viking Greenland settlements.
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I believe the historical evid
November 17, 2006 - 13:30 ET by NL207I believe the historical evidence says that the Vikings were successfully growing grain substitutes on some coastal areas of Greenland. In that culture, that meant they were growing buckwheat groats, grain-like, but not wheat or any other true grain. Even then, it was apparently still too cold to successfully grow wheat in Greenland's coast.
You are not going to grow buckwheat there today.
I was one of the people in th
November 17, 2006 - 14:15 ET by danboI was one of the people in that argument. Actually he said they ate caribo, seals, fish etc. I found proof of the raising of livestock that they relied on. And hay for the livestock. Of course if you can raise hay there shoulf be no problem at least for something like cabbages etc.
If you can chronicalize this. Please let me know.
I think I know where to find this answered without question. But I can't read Danish.
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Here is a Summary of crop gro
November 17, 2006 - 14:33 ET by dscottHere is a Summary of crop growing results from the University of Alaska in Fairbanks. The latitude of Fairbanks is 64 degrees 49 minutes North, the Greenland settlements were around 61 degrees North, i.e. further south than Fairbanks.
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What's the Danish link? I m
November 17, 2006 - 15:40 ET by NL207What's the Danish link? I may be able to get it translated.
I found this: http://www2.sunysuffolk.edu/mandias/lia/vikings_during_mwp.html
"The Greenland Vikings lived mostly on dairy produce and meat, primarily from cows. The vegetable diet of Greenlanders included berries, edible grasses, and seaweed, but these were inadequate even during the best harvests. During the MWP, Greenland's climate was so cold that cattle breeding and dairy farming could only be carried on in the sheltered fiords. The growing season in Greenland even then was very short. Frost typically occurred in August and the fiords froze in October. Before the year 1300, ships regularly sailed from Norway and other European countries to Greenland bringing with them timber, iron, corn, salt, and other needed items. Trade was by barter. Greenlanders offered butter, cheese, wool, and their frieze cloths, which were greatly sough after in Europe, as well as white and blue fox furs, polar bear skins, walrus and narwhal tusks, and walrus skins. In fact, two Greenland items in particular were prized by Europeans: white bears and the white falcon. These items were given as royal gifts. For instance, the King of Norway-Denmark sent a number of Greenland falcons as a gift to the King of Portugal, and received in return the gift of a cargo of wine (Stefansson, 1966.) Because of the shortage of adequate vegetables and cereal grains, and a shortage of timber to make ships, the trade link to Iceland and Europe was vital (Hermann, 1954.) "
This contains references and at least confirms that it was not possible to grow cereal grains in Greenland even during the MWP.
Thanks for the offer, but wha
November 17, 2006 - 17:15 ET by danboThanks for the offer, but what I'm looking for is not a specific web site but information on a specific archaeological site. the graden under the sand. Or in Danish, " Gården under Sandet ". It's the remains of a Viking Farm in Greenland.
The site was a farm, barn and barn yard. At some of the few english reports I found. As the perma frost melted they could tell it was a farm and barn. From the smell. (What archaeologist will do to learn.)
They took soil samples from the site mixed with all the droppings. those samples should tell us a lot about what was eaten. And polen samples should tell us a lot about what was growing in the area.
Though it looks like there was an analysis published at a university in Canada, it was a master thesis, unpublished. and not on-line. The largest portion of data on line concering "Gården under Sandet" looks like Danish.
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When was this tripe written.
November 18, 2006 - 01:04 ET by James2306When was this tripe written. Science hasnt had a belief in the narwhale(a unicorn whale) since they stopped beliveing in the unicorn.
greenland
November 18, 2006 - 01:42 ET by misterbillGreenland's fiords were habitable and arable. The Vikings were doing quite well under Eric the Red. A Viking long boat came from Denmark bearing an exiled Dane named Algoric. He professed to be gifted with visions and foresight, granted by the gods of the Aesir. He told the people that soon Greenland would be overcome with major weather changes and become too hot to live in. He said the major causes of the warming were the Viking cook fires and the gaseous discharges from the cattle.The people became so alarmed at these predictions that they packed everything, including the animals and moved to a land mass that would be named America. There they took the excrement of their animals and created human like piles of excrement, They named these revered structures "The Democratic Party". It survives to this day. The oracle Algoric was reported to have died after being overcome by his own flatulence.
Hey. Don't you believe they k
November 17, 2006 - 14:08 ET by danboHey. Don't you believe they kept the livestock in the barn all year long. And fed them only food brought from Denmark. (Good trick considering a boat might only come in every couple of years.)
These are well know facts that Lief was lying when he called it Greenland. An early real estate scam.
"Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of truth and knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods." Albert Einstein
global warming
November 17, 2006 - 09:52 ET by chillerIn a few years, scientists will say; "Oh, wait...we forgot that official readings are taken at airports, which have become increasingly surrounded with concrete infrastructures and what we really have is about 100 cases of 'heat island affect'. So as it pertains to global warming.....uh, never mind.
Global Warming
November 17, 2006 - 10:25 ET by pocomocoNoel,
About ten or so years ago, Global Warming expert Ted Danson predicted that New York City would be three feet under water due to melting ice caps.
My question is: should I bring a canoe or rowboat when I do my Christmas shopping there this year?
Poco...bass boats are faster
November 17, 2006 - 10:30 ET by bassndudePoco...bass boats are faster and much more nimble, enabling you to get there first.
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basndude,A most excellent ide
November 17, 2006 - 10:51 ET by pocomocobassndude,
A most excellent idea. Thank you.
I loved Sam Malone.
November 17, 2006 - 10:33 ET by Roger the ShrubberI loved Sam Malone.
Me too Roger...Cheers is stil
November 17, 2006 - 19:32 ET by bigtimerMe too Roger...Cheers is still one of my favorite shows.
Poco
November 17, 2006 - 11:05 ET by Noel SheppardPoco,
As Rog said below, I am a HUGE Sam Malone fan. So, Ted gets a lot of leeway with me. :-) ns
Aaaahhhh, Venice!
November 17, 2006 - 19:25 ET by BlameTheMediaAaaahhhh, Venice!
What cold snap? It's been 6
November 17, 2006 - 10:40 ET by balboaWhat cold snap? It's been 60s for the last two weeks here in the northeast.
Balboa
November 17, 2006 - 11:04 ET by Noel SheppardB,
Do you remember it snowing in Chicago and New England in October, or were you out of the country? This data is for September and October. Don't be a goofball. ns
I'm not questioning you Noel,
November 17, 2006 - 11:33 ET by JasonCI'm not questioning you Noel, cause I know you know your stuff, but I understand Bal's surprise about it snowing in New England in October. I'm 20 miles from Canada and we've barely gotten below freezing yet. Right now it feels like an Indian Summer, humid and gross.
"If their sins were as scarlet, they are now white as snow" Isaiah 1:18
Key Word: INDIAN SUMMER
November 17, 2006 - 11:38 ET by Guy Arthur ThomasLong before the Europeans came here and established this country and led it to greatness the "Not So Native" people who were here, mostly living the lives of ignorant and superstitious savages who migrated from the oriented and constantly murdered one another tribes....INDIAN SUMMERS occured. No cars, no trains, no factories, no Rosie O'D...and yet you had INDIAN SUMMERS. Yes the Indians eventually informed the future controllers of this new land when they arrived that periods of warmth occured at unusual times in the late fall and early winter...affectionally coming to be called "Indian Summers". DUH
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Thanks for that non-editorial
November 17, 2006 - 11:40 ET by JasonCThanks for that non-editorializing history/climatology lesson. And just in time for Thanksgiving. Remind me to tell the next Native American I see to just get over it already.
"If their sins were as scarlet, they are now white as snow" Isaiah 1:18
Native American Summer
November 17, 2006 - 11:45 ET by kwI beleive the proper term is Native American Summer. Please don't be so insensitve.
If only they were genuinely native to this land
November 17, 2006 - 11:54 ET by Guy Arthur ThomasIf only they were genuinely native to this land I just might be able to use the term...but may my sensitivities always be as kind as Ted Kennedy's, Jesse "The Hymie" Jackson and Dave "I hate my nigger self" Chappelle.
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JC
November 17, 2006 - 11:44 ET by Noel SheppardJC,
Understood. However, in Northern California, we had no Indian Summer even though October can often be one of the warmer months of the year. Yet, in Southern Cal, they've been having Santa Ana conditions with 90's in LA.
What does it all mean? Nothing until we average it across the nation, and put it into the final data for the year. And, if it turns out that this doesn't produce a new all-time high average for the year, the 1934 record will still stand. Explain how we can be warming if the hottest year on record is still 72 years ago when there were barely any cars and significantly fewer smokestacks here and around the world.
Doesn't make sense, does it? If ma