Let's trot out the AP's deepest, most tiresome wish that Iraq is the new Vietnam once more. And THIS time, all it takes is a Bush state visit to the country once enmeshed in internecine warfare to cause the AP to trot out all the old claims and prosaic comparisons.
In a long, presumptuous story Jennifer Loven, our intrepid AP reporter, makes all sorts of wild comparisons making her piece -- titled Bush Vietnam Trip Revives Iraq 'Quagmire'-- almost a parody of itself.
WASHINGTON (AP) - President Bush's recent acknowledgment that the war in Iraq was comparable to the Viet Cong's psychologically devastating Tet Offensive in 1968 was hardly the first time a parallel has been drawn between the Iraq and Vietnam conflicts.
Questions about a "quagmire" have haunted the president's Iraq policy since before a single bomb fell on Baghdad.
Sure the questions about a "quagmire" have "haunted" the President. It is interesting how Loven seems to forget, though, that the media has been the chief provocateur on the "questions", too. She seems to be divorcing herself and brethren from the efforts to destroy the war before it even began in shades of "experts say" phraseology.
But, even Mz. Lovie seems to admit that the claims were hurled at Bush before we even went INTO the country, making such claims obvious political rhetoric as opposed to truthful analysis.
But this week, amid an intensifying discussion at home about the future of the war, Bush gives the comparison debate another kick by walking among Vietnam War relics on a four-day visit to the communist nation created after American troops departed 33 years ago.
Do you think if Bush went to France the AP would describe Iraq like the 1800 "Pseudo war" with France? Maybe if Bush went to Mexico we could liken Iraq to the 1830's war there? Maybe if Bush went to Cuba we could imagine that Iraq was just like the sinking of the Maine? Oooo, I know... if Bush went to Hawaii, Iraq could be just like Pearl Harbor... or maybe like the song "Tiny Bubbles", er something?
... preferring to look ahead rather than back. Bush, too, is emphasizing economic reforms in Vietnam, and its steadily improving cooperation on trade and issues like AIDS and bird flu.
But there will be no mistaking the reminders of the country's wartime past and the U.S. military's troubled history there.
Yeah, no doubt. Because you won't even TRY to "look forward", AP. Viet Namitis is too ingrained in your genes to allow it! Our pal Lovie is doing her level best NOT to forget about Viet Nam's past which makes "looking forward" a tad difficult.
Wanna see a giant leap in logic?
While the president flew toward Vietnam, only the second president to go there since the war's end, a partisan feud continued in Washington over where to take Iraq policy.
You'll get whiplash trying to figure out where a visit to the forward looking Viet Nam fits in with the "partisan feud" over Iraq back home. But, there you have it. The AP links the two regardless of the logic, or lack thereof.
This story ridiculously slingshots back and forth between the President's state trip to Viet Nam and AP's hopes to make Iraq out to be a "quagmire", bouncing back and forth quicker than a ping pong ball in a Chinese Ping Pong tournament!
Naturally, the story wouldn't be complete without a leftist think tank being quoted on just how Iraq compares to Viet Nam. This time a member of the leftist Brookings Institute gets his moment in the sun with his "steadily growing number of parallels."
Anyway, like I said, this story is long and filled with little of interest. But it does help the AP along the mantra that Iraq is "just like Viet Nam".
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WTH, If I may make so bold,
November 15, 2006 - 07:31 ET by Indiana JoeWTH,
If I may make so bold, I think I manage to control my emotions on this site, and make my comments and arguments (such as they are) from a rational, logical, and reasonable point of view. I rarely, if ever, devolve into name-calling, baiting, or "cheap shots" (okay, the occasional "cheap shot," but strictly for "laughs").
However, in this case, I feel an exception is not only justified, but entirely called for, in regards Loven, the AP, and the whole "quagmire" argument/scenario. (and just btw, where's a good "sedition" law when you need one?)
So, after carefully considering, I have my response to Ms. Loven, the AP, and all who would take up the chant, mindlessly shouting it at every opportunity:
(ahem....hmm-mm ...throat-clearing sounds....) ......
To: AP
From: Me
Subject: "Quagmire"
Dear sirs and/or madams,
S...T....F....U...!!!!!!
Sincerely, etc. etc....
cc: MSM
Ditto what Indiana Joe said
November 15, 2006 - 08:29 ET by Red JeepDitto what Indiana Joe said.
Jennifer Loven might want to check out the quagmire in California, too. In 2005 alone there were 2503 murders, 9392 rapes and 63,622 robberies ( http://www.disasterc...)
“Recently released crime statistics show the homicide rate in California is 265 percent higher than the death rate suffered by U.S. and British military personnel in Iraq.
According to the report "Crime in California 2004," compiled by California Attorney General Bill Lockyer, there were 2,394 reported homicides… That compares with 905 deaths of coalition forces in Iraq, chiefly Americans and Brits, during the same time period.” http://www.worldnetd...
So, Jennifer, is California a bigger quagmire than Iraq? Should all US citizens leave California? Give it back to Mexico? (That might solve the illegal Mexican immigrant problem.)
The future of the United Nati
November 15, 2006 - 09:18 ET by ucThe future of the United Nations wasn't at stake in Vietnam as was with Saddam after thirteen years still keeping doubt alive and trying to subvert sanctions. >> You know the less paid attention to sound bite that "it is time to help give the UN more backbone." Sure President Bush didn't have to try to bring freedom to the Iraqies he could have just taken down Saddam and left > and maybe as Democrats suggested left Saddam's people in power and turned a further blind eye to nature of this government. Iraq may still be more similar to our colonial days and revolution than our civil war. Does left wings history of helping take down 41 for not going into Bahgdad and helping take down 43's congress for going into Bahgdad negate itself? Do the numbers compare with Vietnam that in Iraq a less than 30% of populas party used to rule?
AP reporter
November 15, 2006 - 11:11 ET by iveseenitallJennifer is a "cut and run" Democrat, ya think?
NEVER,NEVER trust a liberal
Questions about a "quagm
November 15, 2006 - 12:59 ET by Conservative in the ArtsQuestions about a "quagmire" have haunted the president's Iraq policy since before a single bomb fell on Baghdad.
There you go, proof that it's not Bush's fault! By their very own words! put that back into their face every time "Iraq" is mentioned! It was bad BEFORE we went in, Bush is trying to fix it. say it with me.....he's fixing it, not causing it. what? can't you you Dems in the back.......
the other way to look at it is if it was called a "quagmire" BEFORE, then is it self fufilling prophesy by the news? Veitnam was a quagmire because the Dems and the media made it to be. We were winning before the media and the Dems turned against Nixon because of watergate. It was all about getting more power to the Dems. If anything.....it is just like Vietnam now because the Dems and the media are doing it again.
"...Viet Namitis..."
November 15, 2006 - 13:30 ET by Ten7s"...Viet Namitis..."
Its pathological, pathetic, and painful to watch. This is NOT another Vietnam. Among the Liberals there BDS, Bush Derangement Syndrome, and now VDS, Vietnam Delusion Syndrome, a state characterized by seeing all events as a reenactement of the '60s and early '70s. To you Libs, the world has changed or to put it into language you'll understand: 'The Times They've A'Changed'. You're no longer young, the Commies are gone, there's a new world, a new enemy, crises mushrooming all over the world. And Providence help us, you're in charge.
crises mushrooming all over t
November 15, 2006 - 13:44 ET by Conservative in the Artscrises mushrooming all over the world.
that could be part of their problem.....going all organic and such...........that and licking frogs....getting in touch with mother nature........
Licking frogs??
November 15, 2006 - 13:50 ET by misterbillLicking frogs?? eeeeew!!!!
Ever feel like Don Quixote?
November 15, 2006 - 15:07 ET by Ten7sEver feel like Don Quixote? Think about it though, we're trying to inform people who've not learned a blasted thing in the past 35 years, because they suffer the effects of too much hookah, too many hallucinogens, and total self-absorption.
Dems will make it like Vietnam
November 15, 2006 - 14:02 ET by nkviking75If the Dems prevail there finally will be a valid comparison between Iraq and Vietnam. We will give up on a war we could win and leave our Iraqi allies to be overrun by the radical Muslims that surround them.
Questions about a "quagm
November 15, 2006 - 20:25 ET by FastEdQuestions about a "quagmire" have haunted the president's Iraq policy since before a single bomb fell on Baghdad. - and who has been saying this? The msm (Lsm) continues to Gunga Din for the demo-libs.
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad
Iraq
November 15, 2006 - 22:39 ET by pocomocoPolitical Fodder
Senator Carl Levin recently said: "There is a limit of the blood and treasure that Americans are willing to spend".
However, Levin and the Democrats care not a wit about the blood and treasure of the indigenous people if we leave.
When the Democrats pulled the rug out from under the military in Viet Nam by cutting funding, it is estimated that, in the ensuing years, two million Vietnamese, Cambodians, and Laotians were murdered. They, in effect, became nothing more than 'political fodder' for the Democrats.
If the Democrats, once again, cut and run, it will be deja vu all over again for the Iraqi people resulting in more 'political fodder'.
Their answer: SO WHAT!