As NewsBusters reported, the BBC published an article at its website Tuesday refuting there being a link between recent increases in global temperatures and solar activity. This piece went counter to one the BBC published just three years ago.
The author of the 2004 piece, former BBC science correspondent David Whitehouse, wrote an article published in the British Telegraph Sunday which slammed the BBC for its “enthusiastically one-sided, sloppy and confused” report on this subject.
*****Update: MIT's Richard Lindzen weighs in at end of post.
Whitehouse marvelously began (emphasis added throughout):
According to the headlines last week, the sun is not to blame for recent global warming: mankind and fossil fuels are. So Al Gore is correct when he said, "the scientific data is in. There is no more debate."
Of that the evangelical BBC had no doubt. There was an air of triumphalism in its coverage of the report by the Royal Society.
The BBC was enthusiastically one-sided, sloppy and confused on its website, using concepts such as the sun's power, output and magnetic field incorrectly and interchangeably, as well as not including any criticism of the research.
But there is a deeper and more worrying issue. Last week's research is a simple piece of science and fundamentally flawed. Nobody looked beyond the hype; if they had, they would have reached a different conclusion.
Whitehouse elaborated:
Using the global temperature data endorsed by the International Panel on Climate Change, one can reach a completely different conclusion.
Recently the United States' National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration said that 2006 was statistically indistinguishable from previous years.
Looking at annual global temperatures, it is apparent that the last decade shows no warming trend and recent successive annual global temperatures are well within each year's measurement errors. Statistically the world's temperature is flat.
The world certainly warmed between 1975 and 1998, but in the past 10 years it has not been increasing at the rate it did. No scientist could honestly look at global temperatures over the past decade and see a rising curve.
Maybe no scientist can. But, folks like Al Gore and his sycophant devotees in the media certainly do:
The sun is by far the single most powerful driving force on our climate, and the fact is we do not understand how it affects us as much as some think we do.
So look on the BBC and Al Gore with scepticism. A scientist's first allegiance should not be to computer models or political spin but to the data: that shows the science is not settled.
Amen.
*****Update: MIT's Richard Lindzen has weighed in on this issue -- "The notion that a few tenths of a degree global warming HAS to be due to either greenhouse gases or the sun is absurd."
—Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters.
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Ya hear that snapping and pop
July 15, 2007 - 12:59 ET by drillanwrYa hear that snapping and popping sound?
It's the Global Warming Cult's divine liturgy coming apart at the seems.
Repent!Repent ye sinners, l
July 15, 2007 - 16:26 ET by heldmywRepent!
Repent ye sinners, lest the GoreGoyles descend from on high and smite us!
Yea! And subject us to more 'Inconvenient Truths', and Sheryl "One-Square" Crow, and crappy rock concerts, and... yaaaaaa!
Repent!
the Goracle and his Goregoyle
July 15, 2007 - 16:31 ET by botgthe Goracle and his Goregoyles
"The more I study science, the more I believe in God." Einstein
Noel -I am completely aware t
July 15, 2007 - 13:02 ET by drillanwrNoel -
I am completely aware that you ended your last two pieces with Amen ... (another trend on your part?)
Delicious!
LOL!!!
Drill
July 15, 2007 - 13:05 ET by Noel SheppardD,
I was aware of this as well. However, please also note that neither of these articles contained the word "delicious" or any culinary superlative.
Does this represent a sea change? We will only know in the fullness of time. :-) ns
How about a Hallelujah for
July 15, 2007 - 13:06 ET by Jack BauerHow about a Hallelujah for a change.
Jack
July 15, 2007 - 13:08 ET by Noel SheppardJack,
I'm saving that for the day Al Gore admits he was wrong. :-) ns
Noel -- And that would be w
July 15, 2007 - 13:12 ET by Jack BauerNoel -- And that would be when hell freezes over!
Which given Gore's track record of just happening to be wherever unseasonably cold, lousy weather is happening, will probably be any day soon.
Noel -As long as it's not dur
July 15, 2007 - 13:12 ET by drillanwrNoel -
As long as it's not durka-durka ... or Allah Akbar.
And you know how he'll defend
July 15, 2007 - 13:31 ET by dahliatraversAnd you know how he'll defend himself, Noel. "But all the science pointed to man as culprit!"
Don't hold your breath...
July 15, 2007 - 17:21 ET by goldenthroatNoel,
If that happens, I have some prime real estate at the base of Mt. St. Helens I'll sell ya!
"Yeah, that's the ticket!" - Tommy Flanagan
Looks like the income produce
July 15, 2007 - 13:28 ET by bassndudeLooks like the income produced by AGW for AlGore is about to dry up. Or would that be "sizzle away"? At any rate, at least someone said something about the ignorance of the report.
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Marvelous article. He makes
July 15, 2007 - 13:29 ET by dahliatraversMarvelous article.
He makes a good point about the original article confusing the sun's power, output and magnetic field. The conversation about AGW is rife with confusion (mostly honest) about these terms and factors.
What has been less honest is the way AGW advocates have cherry-picked the science to bolster their case. Compound this with a bit of laziness on the part of too many members of the press and public willing to simply take someone's word on an important subject and not do their own research and, voila, a myth is born.
Dahlwhat part of 'concensus;
July 15, 2007 - 13:32 ET by botgDahl
what part of 'concensus; the debates over' don't you understand? : )
"The more I study science, the more I believe in God." Einstein
Yeah! Don't make them send RF
July 15, 2007 - 13:39 ET by drillanwrYeah! Don't make them send RFK, Jr. and Sheryl Crow over to your house and open a can-o-whip-ass on ya! ;~))
Damn! My knees are knocking
July 15, 2007 - 13:45 ET by dahliatraversDamn! My knees are knocking ...
What the........!
July 15, 2007 - 17:20 ET by goldenthroatWhat? You mean, THE sun? It just might have something to do with warming the earth?
Ah, come on! That smacks in the face of every one of those environmentalist wackos including the chief wacko himself AlGore!
This just can't be! That means that all that hype from "Live Earth" is a lie?
Sure hope I can sleep tonight...
"Yeah, that's the ticket!" - Tommy Flanagan
BBC does not have Time for Facts
July 15, 2007 - 13:29 ET by Lame CherryJust like American "media" is at it's roots influenced and literally run by the Rockefeller banking cartels, the BBC is run by the European mirror image of the Rothschild dynasty.
It was these globalists along with Gorbachev who decided that "global warming" would be the religion of the next century in 1990 meant to syphon off all remaining money from western free nations and so burden them that they would not produce and then be defeated in that manner to join the communist and socialist hordes of Eurasia. By this "religion", the west would be defeated without a missile being fired as in a real war the globalists would be ruined again.
So the BBC does not have time for facts as global warming is not about earth in the first place. It is all about enslaving the world to a few elites families who will then dictate how long a citizen is useful before they are disposed of. Probably in a James Wolsey bio oil refinery like in Soylent Green as it was Wolsey who published a few years ago they had worked out "just how many quarts of crude oil a human body could be processed into".
No one seemed to question that as why in God's green earth a government agency was looking at a ghoulish policy like that, but Wolsey was saying it with a smile and as he works for the Rockefeller cartel it is what they are counting heads about.
This might sound off the BBC subject, but it all ties in. These cartel people are apparently working and preparing for wars where billions of people die and in order to not have all these people polluting in death their "park of planet Earth" they are going to turn them into billions of gallons of crude oil to drive their Mercedes around with.
So the BBC doesn't care about the sun as this is not about global warming, but propaganda so the cartels can seize control, seize wealth in high fuel prices as there is more than enough earth generated crude oil for the world for 200 years ,but just like DeBeers in diamonds they have a chokepoint on distribution and are driving fuel prices up.
Now ask yourself with this cartel which the BBC and most media are propaganda wings in their continual chant of no resources, earth is dying, people are the problem.....will this not foment a new Eurasian world war which it appears the Middle East is the first staging point when they pollute the oil reserves there with radiation leaving only Russia to blackmail the west....which will cause huge friction and a massive war.
So they are building war to destroy nation states just like World War I destroyed the world empires, leaving only powerful world states which World War II destroyed all nation states except two in Russia and America. The final war in III is designed by this secular global warming to Balkanize the world leaving vassal states and one united police force with their earth worship or "illuminated thought" as the only religion allowed controlling all the resources.
That is why America is being destroyed and why the BBC's only reports are anti American rants peppered with this global warming nonsense which people are getting wise to. It appears though the BBC and MSM ruse has worked long enough as the Middle East is armed and about to go up in smoke and Russia today pulled out of the missile treaty which means a new hot assassination and Cold War arms race until the big war breaks out.
David Whitehouse should have written the above article for the Telegraph as that is what the BBC is really up to. They are so weakening the west with all the policy issues keeping people focused on the nonsense that when it hits the chattering nabobs will only blame America again and Bush for the war in carbon footprints.
The BBC is not interested in fact. They are interested in the promised power offered them by the cartels if they spread this propaganda now.
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I don't think the global warm
July 15, 2007 - 14:40 ET by USnotU.S.I don't think the global warming phenomenum is as recent as you think. I was taught it in scence classes in 1979. Our teachers warned us then that there would be stiff opposition from special interest groups. The term "denialist" wasn't around in those days.
I don't think complicated conspiracy theories will help here.
I'm no fan of the BBC, or any other particular media organisation, but come on. Be serious.
In 1979 they were talking of
July 15, 2007 - 14:50 ET by bassndudeIn 1979 they were talking of a comming ice age. Started talking about that and all the ice that was comming, glaciers were growing and temps were cooler. You propaganda is confusing your years. Check the archives of your lovely NYTs'.
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You're right, bassndude. Nobo
July 15, 2007 - 18:39 ET by NewsbusterbrownYou're right, bassndude. Nobody talked about global warming back then in school.
USnotU.S., why is it your sid
July 15, 2007 - 18:47 ET by NewsbusterbrownUSnotU.S., why is it your side are the denialists when it comes the other planets in our solar system warming up, too? When you can make a creditable theory for man-made global warming outside of the Earth, then maybe we will start listening.
Global Warming
July 15, 2007 - 21:06 ET by algoa456It is worth checking out the 70s Time cover on global cooling........ You are correct that there was concern re climate change, but in the 70s it was global cooling. There was much gnashing of teeth on the doom upon us from a cooling planet. Even scenarios of how the few of us left would have to depend on nuclear power for energy.
Indeed, they have been teachi
July 15, 2007 - 23:07 ET by UnsaneIndeed, they have been teaching it for years, and that we would be feeling the effects of global warming...right around...now. Yet I spent a good portion of a morning of January 2007 in a major American city 20 minutes below 30 degrees North longitude chipping vast quantities of ice off of my truck.
Amazingly, with this global warming phenomenon going on, we in south TX STILL get rare ice storms. I thought they were supposed to become rarer.
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I've commented on this a few
July 16, 2007 - 13:36 ET by RESTLESS 1I've commented on this a few times myself. 2 or 3 days this past winter I found ice on my truck in the morning. Lots of freezing rain and sleet throughtout the day. Last summer, it was very dry, this year so far, so much rain that the fresh water flowing to the gulf is pushing the fish out to deep water. I'm betting on a cooler than average summer this year as we've yet to see the 98 degree temps we would have by now. Damn that global warming.
And while we're on the subje
July 15, 2007 - 13:41 ET by dahliatraversAnd while we're on the subject of global warming, isn't the news below a "glass is half empty/glass is half full" situation?
Yes, the ice in certain areas of the planet is melting, taking away some of the habitat of the polar bear. But the polar bear is beginning to adapt to new habitat. Isn't that good news? Al? Cameron? Leonardo?
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601082&sid=aQNqPcMioN2Q&refer=canada
Nice article Dahlia, but I do
July 15, 2007 - 13:47 ET by bassndudeNice article Dahlia, but I do think that during the summer months, the northern polar reagion has always lost ice. A fact that seems to elude the enlitened AGW crowd. I think this December and January we will be regailed with stories of melting in Antarctica.
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So I went looking for article
July 15, 2007 - 14:27 ET by dahliatraversSo I went looking for articles about how much the ice melts in the summer, in response to your point about seasonality, bassndude.
Most of the articles didn't address that but instead were hand wringing about the reduction of the Arctic ice cap. However, buried in one of those articles was this interesting statement:
Claire Parkinson, senior scientist at Goddard, cautions against thinking that Arctic sea ice is gone for good, especially with such limited data. "The reduced sea ice coverage will lead to more wintertime heat loss from the ocean to the atmosphere and perhaps therefore to colder water temperatures and further ice growth," said Parkinson.
http://www.everybodysweather.com/Static_Media/Polar_Ice_Cap_Melter/index.htm
Does anyone know if this is a valid point? Do we know how much heat is lost from the ocean in the winter in the absence of ice?
I don't have any numbers, but
July 15, 2007 - 14:42 ET by ThisnThatI don't have any numbers, but ice is an insulator. You hear of stranded travelers or experienced hunters making snow caves to sleep in. Igloos, of course, are made of ice. When the temperature gets below freezing in Florida, the farmers turn on the sprinklers to "ice down" their crops, rather than let them be exposed directly to the sub-freezing temperatures. And here in New England, we rely upon the snow to help protect shrubbery (not Roger, BTW) during the sub-zero periods. A snowless winter is disastor for the plants.
So go get your numbers -- but without protection from ice and snow, I would think the water would loose an enormous amount of heat. IMO.
ThisnThat...Igloos or icecave
July 15, 2007 - 14:59 ET by bassndudeThisnThat...Igloos or icecaves are for protection from the elements, mainly the wind. A candle or a lantern or small stove warms the air inside and keeps one warm. Farmers in Florida do not ice down their crops, rather the sprinklers spraying water at a temp moderately above freezing, keeps the crops warmer than the surrounding air temp. A constant stream of above freezing water will help keep the plants from freezing. Ice will not keep you warmer, but it will reflect more light. The reason water dosent freeze all the way to the bottom is because the more ice that forms, the more pressure is exerted on the water. Under presssure water will not freeze at 32 degrees. The freezing temp lowers exponentially under increased pressure. A chill water system is a prefect example of this. As are the lower depths of the oceans.
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"Farmers in Florida do
July 15, 2007 - 17:01 ET by ckc1227"Farmers in Florida do not ice down their crops, rather the sprinklers
spraying water at a temp moderately above freezing, keeps the crops
warmer than the surrounding air temp."
I can't speak for Florida farmers, but strawberry farmers here in NC do ice down their strawberries to protect them. The strawberries can survive the temperature that is maintained within the ice, while the ice protects them from the lower temperature outside of the ice that would kill the plant.
ckc - That is my observation
July 15, 2007 - 19:02 ET by ThisnThatckc - That is my observation about citrus crops, too. The water will freeze -- it's not possible to keep all the water warm enough across a whole crop. The ice does protect it from the lower-temperature air, as long as the temperature doesn't drop too far for too long.
I don't know about this water
July 15, 2007 - 19:07 ET by ThisnThatI don't know about this water-pressure explanation, bassndude. I think it's all about temperature and insulation. The lake outside freezes over in the winter, with ice depths depending upon temperature, duration of the freezing temperature, and snow cover. The ice thickness can be up to 3-4 feet some winters; no more than a foot or two other winters. A good snow pack will keep it frozen longer into the season. Water pressure doesn't explain the ice depth.
It's still recent, but I know
July 15, 2007 - 14:44 ET by USnotU.S.It's still recent, but I know there's a school of thought that suggests the ocean warms up without ice cover, because ice reflects more rays, and ocean absorbs.
Poppycock. That your own theo
July 15, 2007 - 15:00 ET by bassndudePoppycock. That your own theory?
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Do people really say "po
July 15, 2007 - 15:53 ET by USnotU.S.Do people really say "poppycock"? In real life? Wow! Surprised it's not "poppyc*ck" in such a massively censored environment.
No, it's not my theory, but it's one of many; kind of like God is one of many theories. Nothing is proven. You just said yourself, that ice reflects more light, in your previous vitreolic reply.
Also, your explanation of why ice doesn't freeze all the way through, is partly correct, but it's as much to do with the fact that water is pretty much the only thing which expands when it freezes. So, that's why it floats. If not, sea ice would keep sinking, keep freezing, and eventually the ocean would be ice, with salt on top.
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Where do you live(country), a
July 15, 2007 - 16:00 ET by Free StinkerWhere do you live(country), and why won't you say?
Are you ashamed?
YO STINKY!!What have I got to
July 15, 2007 - 16:09 ET by USnotU.S.YO STINKY!!
What have I got to be ashamed of, and why does it matter where I live?
"Make no mistake about it, I understand how tough it is. I talk to families who die." GW Bush
Four days, and still no ans
July 15, 2007 - 16:13 ET by Free StinkerFour days, and still no answer.
That's shame.
.
P.S. - "The World" is not the name of a country.
kind of like God is one of
July 15, 2007 - 16:03 ET by botgkind of like God is one of many theories
on a par with you having a brain is a theory
tell me has anyone here seen usnots brain?
"The more I study science, the more I believe in God." Einstein
I take it you dont know what
July 15, 2007 - 17:22 ET by bassndudeI take it you dont know what poppycock is do you? Not only that but you are very ignorant of scientific explainations. Ice floats because of the traped gas withing the ice. Density is not relevant to displacement. Ice floats because of that little thing. Amonia also expands when it freezes. The molecular matrix is the reason. Same with water. Ocean water contains amount of CO2. Most water contains some desolved CO2. In other words, ice floats because when it expands, it takes up more space, but the weight remains the same. Read a book. They have these places called libraries. Visit one.
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July 15, 2007 - 15:00 ET by bassndude
My understanding is that the
July 15, 2007 - 19:36 ET by danboMy understanding is that the NAO (North Atlantic Oscillation)is running on hot right now. The Bering Straight offers relatively little opportunity of transfer of water between the Arctic and Pacific. The Atlantic however has plenty. And many want to lump the Arctic Oscillation in as a spur of the NAO. NAO is a natural variance.
Any ice loss in the arctic is probably a reflection of the NOA rather than AGW.
If AGW was the driving force you should see ice loss at both poles. The Southern polar region are cooling. And there is Ice growth. And evidence that there's also ice growth in Greenland.
Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of truth and knowledge will be shipwrecked by the laughter of the Gods. Albert Einstein
Wait a second ... the SOURCE
July 15, 2007 - 15:52 ET by josephsamuelsonWait a second ... the SOURCE of "global warming" (the sun ... no sun, no heat people) has nothing TO DO with "global" warming?!
How stupid can an intellectual idiot get?!!
IF there was any "global" warming, THE SUN is going to be the primary, if not exclusive, cause.
Look out people ... here comes GLOBAL HUMIDITY ... and it could destroy all life on earth in 10 years ... and we have to institute the Tokyo Protocol, create a boron tax, and start selling boron credits if we're going to save the planet!!!
At the end of the day, I'm st
July 15, 2007 - 16:06 ET by USnotU.S.At the end of the day, I'm still wondering whether the denialists on this site are asking
1) Is it really happening?
2) Is it because of climate change or longer term patterns? OR
3) Is it recognised by conservatives, officially?..... because it doesn't matter. It's happening anyway.
Also, why is it only the nation with 25% of the world's wealth and 6% of the world's population that still thinks it's not really happening?
Whoops! I said "world" again. That makes me a communist, doesn't it?
Where does the Troll live?
July 15, 2007 - 16:12 ET by Free StinkerWhere do you live?
.
P.S. - Being a follower of Marx & Stalin makes you a Communist. The "I Live in the World" was just the give-away.
I never credited you as being
July 15, 2007 - 16:19 ET by USnotU.S.I never credited you as being too bright, but you just showed everyone with that comment, that you are no danger to the educated.
I was born in Manchester. That's in England. I grew up in Australia, and worked there for twenty odd years That's in the southern hemisphere. I currently work in London. That's in England.
Next, I might work in Europe. That's East of England. Why does it matter? I'm just a raghead to you.
Hey Jack! Hes close to you. T
July 15, 2007 - 16:24 ET by bassndudeHey Jack! Hes close to you. Think you could find him and get some information out of him? I have a cigar clipper you can use.
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Hey Jack...I Second bassndude
July 15, 2007 - 16:27 ET by bigtimerHey Jack...
I Second bassndude's post!
All the way!
LMAO!
BT - Gotta go to work. Try
July 15, 2007 - 16:32 ET by Free StinkerBT - Gotta go to work. Try not to hurt the Troll's feelings too much! ;-)
LOL Free...Just for you I wil
July 15, 2007 - 16:43 ET by bigtimerLOL Free...
Just for you I will try.
You have a good one!
Why does it matter? Why did you hide it?
July 15, 2007 - 16:24 ET by Free StinkerI'm just a raghead to you
No. You're a moron that comes into someone else's home, then criticies the home, the owner(s), the host, and whines (whinges?) when someone calls you on it.
I was born in Manchester.
I've been to Manchester, and let me say, I feel so sorry for you.
That's in the southern hemisphere.
Now we know you can use an Atlas.
Ta Ta Troll.
Stinky, you might want to rem
July 15, 2007 - 16:35 ET by USnotU.S.Stinky, you might want to remove "God Bless The United Kingdom and Australia; great friends of the United States" from your profile.
It's misleading.
I'm not bothered by a thing you say, and I invite you to keep going.
1) It's funny.
2) There are heaps left on the list of GW quotes. All genuine.
"You're working hard to put food on your family." GW Bush
Usnot...Stick it where the su
July 15, 2007 - 16:46 ET by bigtimerUsnot...
Stick it where the sun doesn't shine.
Free had to go to work so I am just throwing in my two cents for him and myself for now anyway.
OK, so if you're not a Marxis
July 15, 2007 - 16:28 ET by PeskyDaneOK, so if you're not a Marxist, then please, give us dumb yahoos a summary of your politics.
usnot Been a while sense I have met
July 15, 2007 - 16:42 ET by bassndudeusnot, Been a while sense I have met any of you guys. A real live European. Think last one I worked with one was in the mid 70's. Back then you guys were thick around Angola, Zambia, Zimbabwe, Botswana and Mozambique. And there were a few of us US types slinking around in the shadows. But that is another story. Most of the ones I met were good guys. What happned to you?
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"I currently work in L
July 15, 2007 - 16:53 ET by ckc1227"I currently work in London. That's in England."
Then you should be familiar with the following, proving your previous statement that the US opinion on global warming is unique was most likely, as most of your statements, made up.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6263690.stm
The IPCC's own data shows temperature has remained flat over the last decade. Whose the one really living in denial here?
Yes SNOT. You call us denial
July 15, 2007 - 19:49 ET by danboYes SNOT. You call us denialist. As though we deny the bodies of the jews at the death camps. I see them. I believe them. Do you accept the people who were murdered by Sadam? Do you deny the people getting their heads cut off by Islamofacist? Do you deny the bombing in Spain, in England and so many other places? The people killed at the twin towers?
In climate, you deny the importance of that big ball of energy in the sky called the sun. You deny 3/4 of the earth's surface, the oceans (oscillations), you deny the interplay of water. All because of an obcession with the CO2 molecule.
If there is a denialist. you sir are it's king. And my dear emperor Snot. You have no clothes.
Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of truth and knowledge will be shipwrecked by the laughter of the Gods. Albert Einstein
Right this is all about what
July 15, 2007 - 16:14 ET by botgRight this is all about what does Rove think?
"The more I study science, the more I believe in God." Einstein
...an entertaining communist.
July 15, 2007 - 16:14 ET by bigtimerUsnot...
...an entertaining communist...
LOL!~Fred Thompson and Ann
July 15, 2007 - 16:15 ET by Free StinkerLOL!
~
Fred Thompson and Ann Coulter walk into a bar. The bar is instantly destroyed because that much awesome cannot be contained in one building.
Oh, I detect a not-so-subtle
July 15, 2007 - 16:20 ET by BlondeOh, I detect a not-so-subtle whiff of Euro-Envy there....
Too funny.
Also, why is it only the nation with 25% of the world's wealth and 6% of the world's population.....
You just can't stand the fact that we're the most productive people on the face of the planet.
Dude, the planet's climate has been changing since the beginning of the planet...it's natural, not some man-made boloney as your God Al Gore would have you believe. Get used to it. Get over it.
And while you're at it....get over your silly pseudo euro-superiority trip. We find it laughable.
Blonde - he fessed up. - England -
July 15, 2007 - 16:26 ET by Free StinkerBlonde - he fessed up.
You were right about the euro-superiority. ;-)
~
Fred Thompson and Ann Coulter walk into a bar. The bar is instantly destroyed because that much awesome cannot be contained in one building.
Yeah, Free,I knew that alread
July 15, 2007 - 16:33 ET by BlondeYeah, Free,
I knew that already....I could tell by the spelling (and mis-spelling, actually).
As to the pseudo-superiority...typical euro.
And our Manchester friend would like us to believe he's more highly educated than he actually is.
One can tell an awful lot about someone else by the way he/she writes.
usnot...25% or the worlds wea
July 15, 2007 - 16:20 ET by bassndudeusnot...25% or the worlds wealth, 6% of toe population and the only ones that really matter in this world. Without US there would be no U. So who in the US really cares what you think? After all, you dont really matter. Your not one of US.
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Ah well, at least you're sill
July 15, 2007 - 16:28 ET by USnotU.S.Ah well, at least you're silly enough to come out and say it. I know there are plenty more intellectual people who read what you write and shake their heads.
The world exists. Deal with it.
"I think that the vice president is a person reflecting the half-glass-full mentality." GW Bush
The world exists. Deal with
July 15, 2007 - 16:31 ET by Free StinkerThe world exists. Deal with it.
We deal with it all the time.
For all your time in England and Australia, somehow you've never heard of NATO or ANZUS.
We're always fixing your problems for you.
We know the world exsists.
July 15, 2007 - 16:36 ET by PeskyDaneWe know the world exsists. After all, the countless tons of food we are able to give away as a result of working our 12 hour days must be going down someone's gullet.
usnot, I wasent speaking of c
July 15, 2007 - 16:53 ET by bassndudeusnot, I wasent speaking of countries. I was speaking directly to you. The person, if one can consider you part of humanity. You have little reguard for human life. That is apparent. Your concern, for all your bloviating, is only for yourself. I doubt you have the courage, or the compassion to go to the aid of someone in real trouble, life threating trouble, for fear of your own life. You pasty hide would turn pale at the thought. You could be the reporter that watches a soldier die, when he could have done something to prevent it. All in the name of objectivity. What a crock. The world does indeed exist. But not for you. Nor does is revolve around you. Unlike what you think.
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USnotUS - Denialists???
July 15, 2007 - 16:30 ET by acaiguanaUSnotUS - Denialists???
Is that like some twit who says, "I saw some war movies and I know all about war."?
You are conflating the debate about the impact of industry and the activities of man on the Global Climate with the death of what, some 8 millions by Hitler in Concentration camps and some what, 40 millions by Stalin; not to mention Mao and the rest of your ilk.
Let me see, you actually come here and call one of our posters, 'not too bright'? (paraphrase)
Um...
Need a little time on the old whetstone yourself, do ya?
Why don't you go insult some people who actually care, 1) what Canadians think, 2) what Europeans think, or what 3) what arrogant condescending rude jackals of effite intellectual vacume think.
Huh?
ACA
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ACA...Whetstone?Sheesh, guy..
July 15, 2007 - 16:34 ET by BlondeACA...
Whetstone?
Sheesh, guy....that's hillarious.
As in....not the sharpest knife in the drawer.
Hi Blondie (thinking of you today).
July 15, 2007 - 16:39 ET by acaiguanaHi Blondie (thinking of you today).
Fish in a barrel.
ACA
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Bang Bang!
July 15, 2007 - 16:41 ET by BlondeBang Bang!
War?I'm talking about Climate
July 15, 2007 - 16:56 ET by USnotU.S.War?
I'm talking about Climate Change. Put Mummy on the phone!
"Climate Change"?Cl
July 15, 2007 - 17:01 ET by Blonde"Climate Change"?
Claptrap.
Call it by it's stupid name....Global Warming.
I prefer to call it what it is....B.S.
Mommy is your out, mine is that I don't duel with unarmed men.
July 15, 2007 - 17:01 ET by acaiguanaMommy is your out, mine is that I don't duel with unarmed men.
And you sir are intellectually unarmed in this conversation.
Nice try, though. Only took you about 30 minutes to come up with another inanity.
I would never expect you to understand the concept of free thought and the struggle against tyranny over the minds of men, since you claim European origin.
It is really too bad that the reality of American ideals never was grasped by your kind. It would make you free.
ACA
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Ok Hitler!Forgive me for brea
July 15, 2007 - 17:09 ET by USnotU.S.Ok Hitler!
Forgive me for breathing!
Don't know what your problem is with the rest of the world, but it is YOUR problem and not mine. I admit that the rest of the world is there.
This is below me.
But man, I have loved the fact that I can put up so many genuine quotes by GW Monkey, and no one here can deny them!
"Families is where our nation finds hope, where wings take dream." GW Bush
Actually USnotUS, I don't forgive you for breathing.
July 15, 2007 - 17:19 ET by acaiguanaActually USnotUS, I don't forgive you for breathing.
You are like unto an anethema to the corpus of intellectual discourse.
ACA
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BDS
July 15, 2007 - 17:25 ET by Pragmatic-ManYour affliction of BDS is outright, obtuse, and not very attractive. Do you think that W is every conservative's mentor? He is not considered the god of politics by most conservatives, since he is often too much of a social liberal. I would say he and I agree about 90%. The reason you do not get feedback on your W one-liners is the same reason that us conservatives, while hating Clinton, still had the decency to respect the office of the Presidency (a detail BJ had a problem with).
Yes, W says important things in a silly way sometimes. So what, you do not? I suppose your lack of equivalency will provide amnesty for BJ for simply being "horny like anybody else", but your obsessive hatred for GW will never give you the leniency to possibly allow W to be one of us, a person that is not always eloquent, but who's every word is recorded. I think the joke lies with you, where you have all day posted W quotes, with superior content in his one liners to overshadow your loose diatribe.
Your arguments are generally weak. Why do you not want to engage with content, and actually discuss issues instead of being hateful?
USnotU.S. I'm curious about
July 15, 2007 - 17:30 ET by hydrodynDMUSnotU.S.
I'm curious about something. You register to a U.S. site which is dominated by folks you disagree with politically, you pick a name that emphasizes that you aren't a U.S. citizen and you drone on and on about how there is a world outside of the U.S.
Why?
I have an opinion. I think there are a lot of people outside of the U.S. who can't stand that fact that the U.S. is the most powerful and influential nation on the planet and - I think even more than that - they can't stand the fact that the vast majority of American citizens couldn't care less about what is happening in rest of the world.
I don't know you so I'm just guessing, but to me, you come across as an insecure individual who needs to assert himself on an American website in some lame attempt to get those dumb, ignorant Americans to notice you - and by extension, notice the world outside of their boarders.
Let me know if I'm wrong about that.
American envy
July 15, 2007 - 17:38 ET by Pragmatic-ManThey mocked our ancestors as they filed onto boats to cross oceans and start over in the USA, and they mock us still. We saw, we left, we improved our lives in the process.
It is American Envy, plain and simple.
Pragmatic-Man, I'm sure USn
July 15, 2007 - 17:49 ET by hydrodynDMPragmatic-Man,
I'm sure USnotU.S. will deny this, but I think his actions speak to his real motivations.
Envy and the sourness that comes with it. He reminds me of a teenage girl who rags on the popular, pretty girls who don't notice her.
Victimnotvictorius
July 15, 2007 - 18:23 ET by acumenThe victim card - plain and simple.
Raghead on NB - NOT
July 15, 2007 - 18:45 ET by acumenOh. And one more point. Not is also a liar.
I got to thinking. I've been coming to this site since the very first day it graced the net. It occurred to me that I have never seen the term "raghead" used by any commenter on this site - other than Not. Admittedly, I haven't read every comment posted on NB but after almost two years it seems I would have remembered at least one instance of the term "raghead" used.
So I googled "raghead". After searching the first 10 pages with some 100+ entries, I found no links to NewsBusters and gave up. Yet Not tells us; "I found this site while researching the term "raghead". So many references led here....."
Now other than living in Germany for 7 years, I don't know a great deal about the way liars are accepted in rest of the world but here and in Germany that kind of false statement destroys ones credibility Not. And that's about all the time I care to waste on you liar.
I am the guilty "raghead" term user.
July 15, 2007 - 20:57 ET by Dave Racumen,
I have to confess something here, as I have used that term on this site four times. Three are still here:
Dee comment - Dave R - 2007-03-14 10:32/ Rupert,Judgment day, that's w comment - Dave R - 2007-01-29 19:47/ While your at it. look up whe comment - Dave R - 2006-11-27 14:02.
The fourth occurance was editted by Matthew to read Muslim, and I got the hint and haven't used it since.
I, too, made several attempts at googling that term, and got no hits for NB, either. I had to trick the search function here in order to find them.
Dave.
Help Fred defeat the RINOs, along with the Hitllary-Obama Axis, & win the White House in '08.
Dave R: USNOTUS is a fraud.Wh
July 15, 2007 - 21:11 ET by Mica the MagnificentDave R:
USNOTUS is a fraud.
When he first posted here he tried to portray himself as a wide-eyed youngster from Australia trying to learn the ways of Americans.
He asked a lot of questions. He appeared to be naive.
Now, he claims he found Newsbusters by googling 'raghead.'
Fraud. Fraud. Fraud.
(Typical liberal)
"Duhhhhhhh . . ." ---What the typical liberal says when asked, "What crimes did Bush commit, by law and by conviction, that cause you to demand his impeachment?
}}----> Sad Snotty
July 15, 2007 - 21:18 ET by Cool ArrowSnotty, how do y'all treat Muslims over there in Australia?
Oh, I forgot.
For Cool Arrow
July 15, 2007 - 23:21 ET by UnsaneJudging by the race riots at Bondi Beach in 2005-2006, I'd say not very well at all.
MAKE WAY FOR THE SAN ANTONIO SPURS!!! THE 1999, 2003, 2005, AND 2007 NBA CHAMPIONS!!!!
Yawn. Hater really ought to t
July 15, 2007 - 21:18 ET by Roger the ShrubberYawn. Hater really ought to try harder, ya know?
BTW, I prefer Dune Monkey to raghead.
Mica,It's Euro-weenies like S
July 15, 2007 - 21:34 ET by Dave RMica,
It's Euro-weenies like Snotty that have often caused me to re-think the wisdom of our participation in the European Theater of WW II, or why we had even bothered in WW I, for that matter.
Now it is our country that is threatened, and many Europeans view us as the bad guys for doing something other than appeasing our enemies. They appear to me to be as spoiled children who have never really been required to grow up, as all through the Cold War they knew we would step in to save the day for them. Perhaps we are at least partially at fault here.
Given the riots that have taken place in France, the bombings in Spain that literally brought down the government, and the fact that the name Mohammed is now the second most popular name for male children in the UK, would at least wake a few of the Europeans up to the fact that there is at least a hint of a problem with Muslim radicals. Somehow, I don't think they get it.
Help Fred defeat the RINOs, along with the Hitllary-Obama Axis, & win the White House in '08.
Dave R:They'll 'get it' when
July 15, 2007 - 22:21 ET by Mica the MagnificentDave R:
They'll 'get it' when the Islamofascists attack Buckingham Palace and turn it into a mosque.
"You'll just have to get bloody used to it!" - - -BBC commentator concerning the queen's decision to wear a burqa