As NewsBusters reported, the BBC published an article at its website Tuesday refuting there being a link between recent increases in global temperatures and solar activity. This piece went counter to one the BBC published just three years ago.
The author of the 2004 piece, former BBC science correspondent David Whitehouse, wrote an article published in the British Telegraph Sunday which slammed the BBC for its “enthusiastically one-sided, sloppy and confused” report on this subject.
*****Update: MIT's Richard Lindzen weighs in at end of post.
Whitehouse marvelously began (emphasis added throughout):
According to the headlines last week, the sun is not to blame for recent global warming: mankind and fossil fuels are. So Al Gore is correct when he said, "the scientific data is in. There is no more debate."
Of that the evangelical BBC had no doubt. There was an air of triumphalism in its coverage of the report by the Royal Society.
The BBC was enthusiastically one-sided, sloppy and confused on its website, using concepts such as the sun's power, output and magnetic field incorrectly and interchangeably, as well as not including any criticism of the research.
But there is a deeper and more worrying issue. Last week's research is a simple piece of science and fundamentally flawed. Nobody looked beyond the hype; if they had, they would have reached a different conclusion.
Whitehouse elaborated:
Using the global temperature data endorsed by the International Panel on Climate Change, one can reach a completely different conclusion.
Recently the United States' National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration said that 2006 was statistically indistinguishable from previous years.
Looking at annual global temperatures, it is apparent that the last decade shows no warming trend and recent successive annual global temperatures are well within each year's measurement errors. Statistically the world's temperature is flat.
The world certainly warmed between 1975 and 1998, but in the past 10 years it has not been increasing at the rate it did. No scientist could honestly look at global temperatures over the past decade and see a rising curve.
Maybe no scientist can. But, folks like Al Gore and his sycophant devotees in the media certainly do:
The sun is by far the single most powerful driving force on our climate, and the fact is we do not understand how it affects us as much as some think we do.
So look on the BBC and Al Gore with scepticism. A scientist's first allegiance should not be to computer models or political spin but to the data: that shows the science is not settled.
Amen.
*****Update: MIT's Richard Lindzen has weighed in on this issue -- "The notion that a few tenths of a degree global warming HAS to be due to either greenhouse gases or the sun is absurd."
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Ya hear that snapping and pop
July 15, 2007 - 11:59 ET by drillanwrYa hear that snapping and popping sound?
It's the Global Warming Cult's divine liturgy coming apart at the seems.
Repent!Repent ye sinners, l
July 15, 2007 - 15:26 ET by heldmywRepent!
Repent ye sinners, lest the GoreGoyles descend from on high and smite us!
Yea! And subject us to more 'Inconvenient Truths', and Sheryl "One-Square" Crow, and crappy rock concerts, and... yaaaaaa!
Repent!
the Goracle and his Goregoyle
July 15, 2007 - 15:31 ET bythe Goracle and his Goregoyles
"The more I study science, the more I believe in God." Einstein
Noel -I am completely aware t
July 15, 2007 - 12:02 ET by drillanwrNoel -
I am completely aware that you ended your last two pieces with Amen ... (another trend on your part?)
Delicious!
LOL!!!
Drill
July 15, 2007 - 12:05 ET by Noel SheppardD,
I was aware of this as well. However, please also note that neither of these articles contained the word "delicious" or any culinary superlative.
Does this represent a sea change? We will only know in the fullness of time. :-) ns
How about a Hallelujah for
July 15, 2007 - 12:06 ET by Jack BauerHow about a Hallelujah for a change.
Jack
July 15, 2007 - 12:08 ET by Noel SheppardJack,
I'm saving that for the day Al Gore admits he was wrong. :-) ns
Noel -- And that would be w
July 15, 2007 - 12:12 ET by Jack BauerNoel -- And that would be when hell freezes over!
Which given Gore's track record of just happening to be wherever unseasonably cold, lousy weather is happening, will probably be any day soon.
Noel -As long as it's not dur
July 15, 2007 - 12:12 ET by drillanwrNoel -
As long as it's not durka-durka ... or Allah Akbar.
And you know how he'll defend
July 15, 2007 - 12:31 ET by dahliatraversAnd you know how he'll defend himself, Noel. "But all the science pointed to man as culprit!"
Don't hold your breath...
July 15, 2007 - 16:21 ET by goldenthroatNoel,
If that happens, I have some prime real estate at the base of Mt. St. Helens I'll sell ya!
"Yeah, that's the ticket!" - Tommy Flanagan
Looks like the income produce
July 15, 2007 - 12:28 ET by bassndudeLooks like the income produced by AGW for AlGore is about to dry up. Or would that be "sizzle away"? At any rate, at least someone said something about the ignorance of the report.
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Marvelous article. He makes
July 15, 2007 - 12:29 ET by dahliatraversMarvelous article.
He makes a good point about the original article confusing the sun's power, output and magnetic field. The conversation about AGW is rife with confusion (mostly honest) about these terms and factors.
What has been less honest is the way AGW advocates have cherry-picked the science to bolster their case. Compound this with a bit of laziness on the part of too many members of the press and public willing to simply take someone's word on an important subject and not do their own research and, voila, a myth is born.
Dahlwhat part of 'concensus;
July 15, 2007 - 12:32 ET byDahl
what part of 'concensus; the debates over' don't you understand? : )
"The more I study science, the more I believe in God." Einstein
Yeah! Don't make them send RF
July 15, 2007 - 12:39 ET by drillanwrYeah! Don't make them send RFK, Jr. and Sheryl Crow over to your house and open a can-o-whip-ass on ya! ;~))
Damn! My knees are knocking
July 15, 2007 - 12:45 ET by dahliatraversDamn! My knees are knocking ...
What the........!
July 15, 2007 - 16:20 ET by goldenthroatWhat? You mean, THE sun? It just might have something to do with warming the earth?
Ah, come on! That smacks in the face of every one of those environmentalist wackos including the chief wacko himself AlGore!
This just can't be! That means that all that hype from "Live Earth" is a lie?
Sure hope I can sleep tonight...
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BBC does not have Time for Facts
July 15, 2007 - 12:29 ET by Lame CherryJust like American "media" is at it's roots influenced and literally run by the Rockefeller banking cartels, the BBC is run by the European mirror image of the Rothschild dynasty.
It was these globalists along with Gorbachev who decided that "global warming" would be the religion of the next century in 1990 meant to syphon off all remaining money from western free nations and so burden them that they would not produce and then be defeated in that manner to join the communist and socialist hordes of Eurasia. By this "religion", the west would be defeated without a missile being fired as in a real war the globalists would be ruined again.
So the BBC does not have time for facts as global warming is not about earth in the first place. It is all about enslaving the world to a few elites families who will then dictate how long a citizen is useful before they are disposed of. Probably in a James Wolsey bio oil refinery like in Soylent Green as it was Wolsey who published a few years ago they had worked out "just how many quarts of crude oil a human body could be processed into".
No one seemed to question that as why in God's green earth a government agency was looking at a ghoulish policy like that, but Wolsey was saying it with a smile and as he works for the Rockefeller cartel it is what they are counting heads about.
This might sound off the BBC subject, but it all ties in. These cartel people are apparently working and preparing for wars where billions of people die and in order to not have all these people polluting in death their "park of planet Earth" they are going to turn them into billions of gallons of crude oil to drive their Mercedes around with.
So the BBC doesn't care about the sun as this is not about global warming, but propaganda so the cartels can seize control, seize wealth in high fuel prices as there is more than enough earth generated crude oil for the world for 200 years ,but just like DeBeers in diamonds they have a chokepoint on distribution and are driving fuel prices up.
Now ask yourself with this cartel which the BBC and most media are propaganda wings in their continual chant of no resources, earth is dying, people are the problem.....will this not foment a new Eurasian world war which it appears the Middle East is the first staging point when they pollute the oil reserves there with radiation leaving only Russia to blackmail the west....which will cause huge friction and a massive war.
So they are building war to destroy nation states just like World War I destroyed the world empires, leaving only powerful world states which World War II destroyed all nation states except two in Russia and America. The final war in III is designed by this secular global warming to Balkanize the world leaving vassal states and one united police force with their earth worship or "illuminated thought" as the only religion allowed controlling all the resources.
That is why America is being destroyed and why the BBC's only reports are anti American rants peppered with this global warming nonsense which people are getting wise to. It appears though the BBC and MSM ruse has worked long enough as the Middle East is armed and about to go up in smoke and Russia today pulled out of the missile treaty which means a new hot assassination and Cold War arms race until the big war breaks out.
David Whitehouse should have written the above article for the Telegraph as that is what the BBC is really up to. They are so weakening the west with all the policy issues keeping people focused on the nonsense that when it hits the chattering nabobs will only blame America again and Bush for the war in carbon footprints.
The BBC is not interested in fact. They are interested in the promised power offered them by the cartels if they spread this propaganda now.
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I don't think the global warm
July 15, 2007 - 13:40 ET by USnotU.S.I don't think the global warming phenomenum is as recent as you think. I was taught it in scence classes in 1979. Our teachers warned us then that there would be stiff opposition from special interest groups. The term "denialist" wasn't around in those days.
I don't think complicated conspiracy theories will help here.
I'm no fan of the BBC, or any other particular media organisation, but come on. Be serious.
In 1979 they were talking of
July 15, 2007 - 13:50 ET by bassndudeIn 1979 they were talking of a comming ice age. Started talking about that and all the ice that was comming, glaciers were growing and temps were cooler. You propaganda is confusing your years. Check the archives of your lovely NYTs'.
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You're right, bassndude. Nobo
July 15, 2007 - 17:39 ET by NewsbusterbrownYou're right, bassndude. Nobody talked about global warming back then in school.
USnotU.S., why is it your sid
July 15, 2007 - 17:47 ET by NewsbusterbrownUSnotU.S., why is it your side are the denialists when it comes the other planets in our solar system warming up, too? When you can make a creditable theory for man-made global warming outside of the Earth, then maybe we will start listening.
Global Warming
July 15, 2007 - 20:06 ET by algoa456It is worth checking out the 70s Time cover on global cooling........ You are correct that there was concern re climate change, but in the 70s it was global cooling. There was much gnashing of teeth on the doom upon us from a cooling planet. Even scenarios of how the few of us left would have to depend on nuclear power for energy.
Indeed, they have been teachi
July 15, 2007 - 22:07 ET by UnsaneIndeed, they have been teaching it for years, and that we would be feeling the effects of global warming...right around...now. Yet I spent a good portion of a morning of January 2007 in a major American city 20 minutes below 30 degrees North longitude chipping vast quantities of ice off of my truck.
Amazingly, with this global warming phenomenon going on, we in south TX STILL get rare ice storms. I thought they were supposed to become rarer.
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I've commented on this a few
July 16, 2007 - 12:36 ET by RESTLESS 1I've commented on this a few times myself. 2 or 3 days this past winter I found ice on my truck in the morning. Lots of freezing rain and sleet throughtout the day. Last summer, it was very dry, this year so far, so much rain that the fresh water flowing to the gulf is pushing the fish out to deep water. I'm betting on a cooler than average summer this year as we've yet to see the 98 degree temps we would have by now. Damn that global warming.
And while we're on the subje
July 15, 2007 - 12:41 ET by dahliatraversAnd while we're on the subject of global warming, isn't the news below a "glass is half empty/glass is half full" situation?
Yes, the ice in certain areas of the planet is melting, taking away some of the habitat of the polar bear. But the polar bear is beginning to adapt to new habitat. Isn't that good news? Al? Cameron? Leonardo?
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601082&sid=aQNqPcMioN2Q&refer=canada
Nice article Dahlia, but I do
July 15, 2007 - 12:47 ET by bassndudeNice article Dahlia, but I do think that during the summer months, the northern polar reagion has always lost ice. A fact that seems to elude the enlitened AGW crowd. I think this December and January we will be regailed with stories of melting in Antarctica.
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So I went looking for article
July 15, 2007 - 13:27 ET by dahliatraversSo I went looking for articles about how much the ice melts in the summer, in response to your point about seasonality, bassndude.
Most of the articles didn't address that but instead were hand wringing about the reduction of the Arctic ice cap. However, buried in one of those articles was this interesting statement:
Claire Parkinson, senior scientist at Goddard, cautions against thinking that Arctic sea ice is gone for good, especially with such limited data. "The reduced sea ice coverage will lead to more wintertime heat loss from the ocean to the atmosphere and perhaps therefore to colder water temperatures and further ice growth," said Parkinson.
http://www.everybodysweather.com/Static_Media/Polar_Ice_Cap_Melter/index.htm
Does anyone know if this is a valid point? Do we know how much heat is lost from the ocean in the winter in the absence of ice?
I don't have any numbers, but
July 15, 2007 - 13:42 ET by ThisnThatI don't have any numbers, but ice is an insulator. You hear of stranded travelers or experienced hunters making snow caves to sleep in. Igloos, of course, are made of ice. When the temperature gets below freezing in Florida, the farmers turn on the sprinklers to "ice down" their crops, rather than let them be exposed directly to the sub-freezing temperatures. And here in New England, we rely upon the snow to help protect shrubbery (not Roger, BTW) during the sub-zero periods. A snowless winter is disastor for the plants.
So go get your numbers -- but without protection from ice and snow, I would think the water would loose an enormous amount of heat. IMO.
ThisnThat...Igloos or icecave
July 15, 2007 - 13:59 ET by bassndudeThisnThat...Igloos or icecaves are for protection from the elements, mainly the wind. A candle or a lantern or small stove warms the air inside and keeps one warm. Farmers in Florida do not ice down their crops, rather the sprinklers spraying water at a temp moderately above freezing, keeps the crops warmer than the surrounding air temp. A constant stream of above freezing water will help keep the plants from freezing. Ice will not keep you warmer, but it will reflect more light. The reason water dosent freeze all the way to the bottom is because the more ice that forms, the more pressure is exerted on the water. Under presssure water will not freeze at 32 degrees. The freezing temp lowers exponentially under increased pressure. A chill water system is a prefect example of this. As are the lower depths of the oceans.
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"Farmers in Florida do
July 15, 2007 - 16:01 ET by ckc1227"Farmers in Florida do not ice down their crops, rather the sprinklers
spraying water at a temp moderately above freezing, keeps the crops
warmer than the surrounding air temp."
I can't speak for Florida farmers, but strawberry farmers here in NC do ice down their strawberries to protect them. The strawberries can survive the temperature that is maintained within the ice, while the ice protects them from the lower temperature outside of the ice that would kill the plant.
ckc - That is my observation
July 15, 2007 - 18:02 ET by ThisnThatckc - That is my observation about citrus crops, too. The water will freeze -- it's not possible to keep all the water warm enough across a whole crop. The ice does protect it from the lower-temperature air, as long as the temperature doesn't drop too far for too long.
I don't know about this water
July 15, 2007 - 18:07 ET by ThisnThatI don't know about this water-pressure explanation, bassndude. I think it's all about temperature and insulation. The lake outside freezes over in the winter, with ice depths depending upon temperature, duration of the freezing temperature, and snow cover. The ice thickness can be up to 3-4 feet some winters; no more than a foot or two other winters. A good snow pack will keep it frozen longer into the season. Water pressure doesn't explain the ice depth.
It's still recent, but I know
July 15, 2007 - 13:44 ET by USnotU.S.It's still recent, but I know there's a school of thought that suggests the ocean warms up without ice cover, because ice reflects more rays, and ocean absorbs.
Poppycock. That your own theo
July 15, 2007 - 14:00 ET by bassndudePoppycock. That your own theory?
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Do people really say "po
July 15, 2007 - 14:53 ET by USnotU.S.Do people really say "poppycock"? In real life? Wow! Surprised it's not "poppyc*ck" in such a massively censored environment.
No, it's not my theory, but it's one of many; kind of like God is one of many theories. Nothing is proven. You just said yourself, that ice reflects more light, in your previous vitreolic reply.
Also, your explanation of why ice doesn't freeze all the way through, is partly correct, but it's as much to do with the fact that water is pretty much the only thing which expands when it freezes. So, that's why it floats. If not, sea ice would keep sinking, keep freezing, and eventually the ocean would be ice, with salt on top.
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Where do you live(country), a
July 15, 2007 - 15:00 ET by Free StinkerWhere do you live(country), and why won't you say?
Are you ashamed?
YO STINKY!!What have I got to
July 15, 2007 - 15:09 ET by USnotU.S.YO STINKY!!
What have I got to be ashamed of, and why does it matter where I live?
"Make no mistake about it, I understand how tough it is. I talk to families who die." GW Bush
Four days, and still no ans
July 15, 2007 - 15:13 ET by Free StinkerFour days, and still no answer.
That's shame.
.
P.S. - "The World" is not the name of a country.
kind of like God is one of
July 15, 2007 - 15:03 ET bykind of like God is one of many theories
on a par with you having a brain is a theory
tell me has anyone here seen usnots brain?
"The more I study science, the more I believe in God." Einstein
I take it you dont know what
July 15, 2007 - 16:22 ET by bassndudeI take it you dont know what poppycock is do you? Not only that but you are very ignorant of scientific explainations. Ice floats because of the traped gas withing the ice. Density is not relevant to displacement. Ice floats because of that little thing. Amonia also expands when it freezes. The molecular matrix is the reason. Same with water. Ocean water contains amount of CO2. Most water contains some desolved CO2. In other words, ice floats because when it expands, it takes up more space, but the weight remains the same. Read a book. They have these places called libraries. Visit one.
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July 15, 2007 - 14:00 ET by bassndude
My understanding is that the
July 15, 2007 - 18:36 ET by danboMy understanding is that the NAO (North Atlantic Oscillation)is running on hot right now. The Bering Straight offers relatively little opportunity of transfer of water between the Arctic and Pacific. The Atlantic however has plenty. And many want to lump the Arctic Oscillation in as a spur of the NAO. NAO is a natural variance.
Any ice loss in the arctic is probably a reflection of the NOA rather than AGW.
If AGW was the driving force you should see ice loss at both poles. The Southern polar region are cooling. And there is Ice growth. And evidence that there's also ice growth in Greenland.
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Wait a second ... the SOURCE
July 15, 2007 - 14:52 ET by josephsamuelsonWait a second ... the SOURCE of "global warming" (the sun ... no sun, no heat people) has nothing TO DO with "global" warming?!
How stupid can an intellectual idiot get?!!
IF there was any "global" warming, THE SUN is going to be the primary, if not exclusive, cause.
Look out people ... here comes GLOBAL HUMIDITY ... and it could destroy all life on earth in 10 years ... and we have to institute the Tokyo Protocol, create a boron tax, and start selling boron credits if we're going to save the planet!!!
At the end of the day, I'm st
July 15, 2007 - 15:06 ET by USnotU.S.At the end of the day, I'm still wondering whether the denialists on this site are asking
1) Is it really happening?
2) Is it because of climate change or longer term patterns? OR
3) Is it recognised by conservatives, officially?..... because it doesn't matter. It's happening anyway.
Also, why is it only the nation with 25% of the world's wealth and 6% of the world's population that still thinks it's not really happening?
Whoops! I said "world" again. That makes me a communist, doesn't it?
Where does the Troll live?
July 15, 2007 - 15:12 ET by Free StinkerWhere do you live?
.
P.S. - Being a follower of Marx & Stalin makes you a Communist. The "I Live in the World" was just the give-away.
I never credited you as being
July 15, 2007 - 15:19 ET by USnotU.S.I never credited you as being too bright, but you just showed everyone with that comment, that you are no danger to the educated.
I was born in Manchester. That's in England. I grew up in Australia, and worked there for twenty odd years That's in the southern hemisphere. I currently work in London. That's in England.
Next, I might work in Europe. That's East of England. Why does it matter? I'm just a raghead to you.
Hey Jack! Hes close to you. T
July 15, 2007 - 15:24 ET by bassndudeHey Jack! Hes close to you. Think you could find him and get some information out of him? I have a cigar clipper you can use.
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Hey Jack...I Second bassndude
July 15, 2007 - 15:27 ET by bigtimerHey Jack...
I Second bassndude's post!
All the way!
LMAO!
BT - Gotta go to work. Try
July 15, 2007 - 15:32 ET by Free StinkerBT - Gotta go to work. Try not to hurt the Troll's feelings too much! ;-)
LOL Free...Just for you I wil
July 15, 2007 - 15:43 ET by bigtimerLOL Free...
Just for you I will try.
You have a good one!
Why does it matter? Why did you hide it?
July 15, 2007 - 15:24 ET by Free StinkerI'm just a raghead to you
No. You're a moron that comes into someone else's home, then criticies the home, the owner(s), the host, and whines (whinges?) when someone calls you on it.
I was born in Manchester.
I've been to Manchester, and let me say, I feel so sorry for you.
That's in the southern hemisphere.
Now we know you can use an Atlas.
Ta Ta Troll.
Stinky, you might want to rem
July 15, 2007 - 15:35 ET by USnotU.S.Stinky, you might want to remove "God Bless The United Kingdom and Australia; great friends of the United States" from your profile.
It's misleading.
I'm not bothered by a thing you say, and I invite you to keep going.
1) It's funny.
2) There are heaps left on the list of GW quotes. All genuine.
"You're working hard to put food on your family." GW Bush
Usnot...Stick it where the su
July 15, 2007 - 15:46 ET by bigtimerUsnot...
Stick it where the sun doesn't shine.
Free had to go to work so I am just throwing in my two cents for him and myself for now anyway.
OK, so if you're not a Marxis
July 15, 2007 - 15:28 ET by PeskyDaneOK, so if you're not a Marxist, then please, give us dumb yahoos a summary of your politics.
usnot Been a while sense I have met
July 15, 2007 - 15:42 ET by bassndudeusnot, Been a while sense I have met any of you guys. A real live European. Think last one I worked with one was in the mid 70's. Back then you guys were thick around Angola, Zambia, Zimbabwe, Botswana and Mozambique. And there were a few of us US types slinking around in the shadows. But that is another story. Most of the ones I met were good guys. What happned to you?
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"I currently work in L
July 15, 2007 - 15:53 ET by ckc1227"I currently work in London. That's in England."
Then you should be familiar with the following, proving your previous statement that the US opinion on global warming is unique was most likely, as most of your statements, made up.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6263690.stm
The IPCC's own data shows temperature has remained flat over the last decade. Whose the one really living in denial here?
Yes SNOT. You call us denial
July 15, 2007 - 18:49 ET by danboYes SNOT. You call us denialist. As though we deny the bodies of the jews at the death camps. I see them. I believe them. Do you accept the people who were murdered by Sadam? Do you deny the people getting their heads cut off by Islamofacist? Do you deny the bombing in Spain, in England and so many other places? The people killed at the twin towers?
In climate, you deny the importance of that big ball of energy in the sky called the sun. You deny 3/4 of the earth's surface, the oceans (oscillations), you deny the interplay of water. All because of an obcession with the CO2 molecule.
If there is a denialist. you sir are it's king. And my dear emperor Snot. You have no clothes.
Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of truth and knowledge will be shipwrecked by the laughter of the Gods. Albert Einstein
Right this is all about what
July 15, 2007 - 15:14 ET byRight this is all about what does Rove think?
"The more I study science, the more I believe in God." Einstein
...an entertaining communist.
July 15, 2007 - 15:14 ET by bigtimerUsnot...
...an entertaining communist...
LOL!~Fred Thompson and Ann
July 15, 2007 - 15:15 ET by Free StinkerLOL!
~
Fred Thompson and Ann Coulter walk into a bar. The bar is instantly destroyed because that much awesome cannot be contained in one building.
Oh, I detect a not-so-subtle
July 15, 2007 - 15:20 ET by BlondeOh, I detect a not-so-subtle whiff of Euro-Envy there....
Too funny.
Also, why is it only the nation with 25% of the world's wealth and 6% of the world's population.....
You just can't stand the fact that we're the most productive people on the face of the planet.
Dude, the planet's climate has been changing since the beginning of the planet...it's natural, not some man-made boloney as your God Al Gore would have you believe. Get used to it. Get over it.
And while you're at it....get over your silly pseudo euro-superiority trip. We find it laughable.
Blonde - he fessed up. - England -
July 15, 2007 - 15:26 ET by Free StinkerBlonde - he fessed up.
You were right about the euro-superiority. ;-)
~
Fred Thompson and Ann Coulter walk into a bar. The bar is instantly destroyed because that much awesome cannot be contained in one building.
Yeah, Free,I knew that alread
July 15, 2007 - 15:33 ET by BlondeYeah, Free,
I knew that already....I could tell by the spelling (and mis-spelling, actually).
As to the pseudo-superiority...typical euro.
And our Manchester friend would like us to believe he's more highly educated than he actually is.
One can tell an awful lot about someone else by the way he/she writes.
usnot...25% or the worlds wea
July 15, 2007 - 15:20 ET by bassndudeusnot...25% or the worlds wealth, 6% of toe population and the only ones that really matter in this world. Without US there would be no U. So who in the US really cares what you think? After all, you dont really matter. Your not one of US.
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Ah well, at least you're sill
July 15, 2007 - 15:28 ET by USnotU.S.Ah well, at least you're silly enough to come out and say it. I know there are plenty more intellectual people who read what you write and shake their heads.
The world exists. Deal with it.
"I think that the vice president is a person reflecting the half-glass-full mentality." GW Bush
The world exists. Deal with
July 15, 2007 - 15:31 ET by Free StinkerThe world exists. Deal with it.
We deal with it all the time.
For all your time in England and Australia, somehow you've never heard of NATO or ANZUS.
We're always fixing your problems for you.
We know the world exsists.
July 15, 2007 - 15:36 ET by PeskyDaneWe know the world exsists. After all, the countless tons of food we are able to give away as a result of working our 12 hour days must be going down someone's gullet.
usnot, I wasent speaking of c
July 15, 2007 - 15:53 ET by bassndudeusnot, I wasent speaking of countries. I was speaking directly to you. The person, if one can consider you part of humanity. You have little reguard for human life. That is apparent. Your concern, for all your bloviating, is only for yourself. I doubt you have the courage, or the compassion to go to the aid of someone in real trouble, life threating trouble, for fear of your own life. You pasty hide would turn pale at the thought. You could be the reporter that watches a soldier die, when he could have done something to prevent it. All in the name of objectivity. What a crock. The world does indeed exist. But not for you. Nor does is revolve around you. Unlike what you think.
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USnotUS - Denialists???
July 15, 2007 - 15:30 ET by acaiguanaUSnotUS - Denialists???
Is that like some twit who says, "I saw some war movies and I know all about war."?
You are conflating the debate about the impact of industry and the activities of man on the Global Climate with the death of what, some 8 millions by Hitler in Concentration camps and some what, 40 millions by Stalin; not to mention Mao and the rest of your ilk.
Let me see, you actually come here and call one of our posters, 'not too bright'? (paraphrase)
Um...
Need a little time on the old whetstone yourself, do ya?
Why don't you go insult some people who actually care, 1) what Canadians think, 2) what Europeans think, or what 3) what arrogant condescending rude jackals of effite intellectual vacume think.
Huh?
ACA
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ACA...Whetstone?Sheesh, guy..
July 15, 2007 - 15:34 ET by BlondeACA...
Whetstone?
Sheesh, guy....that's hillarious.
As in....not the sharpest knife in the drawer.
Hi Blondie (thinking of you today).
July 15, 2007 - 15:39 ET by acaiguanaHi Blondie (thinking of you today).
Fish in a barrel.
ACA
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Bang Bang!
July 15, 2007 - 15:41 ET by BlondeBang Bang!
War?I'm talking about Climate
July 15, 2007 - 15:56 ET by USnotU.S.War?
I'm talking about Climate Change. Put Mummy on the phone!
"Climate Change"?Cl
July 15, 2007 - 16:01 ET by Blonde"Climate Change"?
Claptrap.
Call it by it's stupid name....Global Warming.
I prefer to call it what it is....B.S.
Mommy is your out, mine is that I don't duel with unarmed men.
July 15, 2007 - 16:01 ET by acaiguanaMommy is your out, mine is that I don't duel with unarmed men.
And you sir are intellectually unarmed in this conversation.
Nice try, though. Only took you about 30 minutes to come up with another inanity.
I would never expect you to understand the concept of free thought and the struggle against tyranny over the minds of men, since you claim European origin.
It is really too bad that the reality of American ideals never was grasped by your kind. It would make you free.
ACA
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Ok Hitler!Forgive me for brea
July 15, 2007 - 16:09 ET by USnotU.S.Ok Hitler!
Forgive me for breathing!
Don't know what your problem is with the rest of the world, but it is YOUR problem and not mine. I admit that the rest of the world is there.
This is below me.
But man, I have loved the fact that I can put up so many genuine quotes by GW Monkey, and no one here can deny them!
"Families is where our nation finds hope, where wings take dream." GW Bush
Actually USnotUS, I don't forgive you for breathing.
July 15, 2007 - 16:19 ET by acaiguanaActually USnotUS, I don't forgive you for breathing.
You are like unto an anethema to the corpus of intellectual discourse.
ACA
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BDS
July 15, 2007 - 16:25 ET by Pragmatic-ManYour affliction of BDS is outright, obtuse, and not very attractive. Do you think that W is every conservative's mentor? He is not considered the god of politics by most conservatives, since he is often too much of a social liberal. I would say he and I agree about 90%. The reason you do not get feedback on your W one-liners is the same reason that us conservatives, while hating Clinton, still had the decency to respect the office of the Presidency (a detail BJ had a problem with).
Yes, W says important things in a silly way sometimes. So what, you do not? I suppose your lack of equivalency will provide amnesty for BJ for simply being "horny like anybody else", but your obsessive hatred for GW will never give you the leniency to possibly allow W to be one of us, a person that is not always eloquent, but who's every word is recorded. I think the joke lies with you, where you have all day posted W quotes, with superior content in his one liners to overshadow your loose diatribe.
Your arguments are generally weak. Why do you not want to engage with content, and actually discuss issues instead of being hateful?
USnotU.S. I'm curious about
July 15, 2007 - 16:30 ET by hydrodynDMUSnotU.S.
I'm curious about something. You register to a U.S. site which is dominated by folks you disagree with politically, you pick a name that emphasizes that you aren't a U.S. citizen and you drone on and on about how there is a world outside of the U.S.
Why?
I have an opinion. I think there are a lot of people outside of the U.S. who can't stand that fact that the U.S. is the most powerful and influential nation on the planet and - I think even more than that - they can't stand the fact that the vast majority of American citizens couldn't care less about what is happening in rest of the world.
I don't know you so I'm just guessing, but to me, you come across as an insecure individual who needs to assert himself on an American website in some lame attempt to get those dumb, ignorant Americans to notice you - and by extension, notice the world outside of their boarders.
Let me know if I'm wrong about that.
American envy
July 15, 2007 - 16:38 ET by Pragmatic-ManThey mocked our ancestors as they filed onto boats to cross oceans and start over in the USA, and they mock us still. We saw, we left, we improved our lives in the process.
It is American Envy, plain and simple.
Pragmatic-Man, I'm sure USn
July 15, 2007 - 16:49 ET by hydrodynDMPragmatic-Man,
I'm sure USnotU.S. will deny this, but I think his actions speak to his real motivations.
Envy and the sourness that comes with it. He reminds me of a teenage girl who rags on the popular, pretty girls who don't notice her.
Victimnotvictorius
July 15, 2007 - 17:23 ET by acumenThe victim card - plain and simple.
Raghead on NB - NOT
July 15, 2007 - 17:45 ET by acumenOh. And one more point. Not is also a liar.
I got to thinking. I've been coming to this site since the very first day it graced the net. It occurred to me that I have never seen the term "raghead" used by any commenter on this site - other than Not. Admittedly, I haven't read every comment posted on NB but after almost two years it seems I would have remembered at least one instance of the term "raghead" used.
So I googled "raghead". After searching the first 10 pages with some 100+ entries, I found no links to NewsBusters and gave up. Yet Not tells us; "I found this site while researching the term "raghead". So many references led here....."
Now other than living in Germany for 7 years, I don't know a great deal about the way liars are accepted in rest of the world but here and in Germany that kind of false statement destroys ones credibility Not. And that's about all the time I care to waste on you liar.
I am the guilty "raghead" term user.
July 15, 2007 - 19:57 ET by Dave Racumen,
I have to confess something here, as I have used that term on this site four times. Three are still here:
Dee comment - Dave R - 2007-03-14 10:32/ Rupert,Judgment day, that's w comment - Dave R - 2007-01-29 19:47/ While your at it. look up whe comment - Dave R - 2006-11-27 14:02.
The fourth occurance was editted by Matthew to read Muslim, and I got the hint and haven't used it since.
I, too, made several attempts at googling that term, and got no hits for NB, either. I had to trick the search function here in order to find them.
Dave.
Help Fred defeat the RINOs, along with the Hitllary-Obama Axis, & win the White House in '08.
Dave R: USNOTUS is a fraud.Wh
July 15, 2007 - 20:11 ET by Mica the MagnificentDave R:
USNOTUS is a fraud.
When he first posted here he tried to portray himself as a wide-eyed youngster from Australia trying to learn the ways of Americans.
He asked a lot of questions. He appeared to be naive.
Now, he claims he found Newsbusters by googling 'raghead.'
Fraud. Fraud. Fraud.
(Typical liberal)
"Duhhhhhhh . . ." ---What the typical liberal says when asked, "What crimes did Bush commit, by law and by conviction, that cause you to demand his impeachment?
}}----> Sad Snotty
July 15, 2007 - 20:18 ET by Cool ArrowSnotty, how do y'all treat Muslims over there in Australia?
Oh, I forgot.
For Cool Arrow
July 15, 2007 - 22:21 ET by UnsaneJudging by the race riots at Bondi Beach in 2005-2006, I'd say not very well at all.
MAKE WAY FOR THE SAN ANTONIO SPURS!!! THE 1999, 2003, 2005, AND 2007 NBA CHAMPIONS!!!!
Yawn. Hater really ought to t
July 15, 2007 - 20:18 ET by Roger the ShrubberYawn. Hater really ought to try harder, ya know?
BTW, I prefer Dune Monkey to raghead.
Mica,It's Euro-weenies like S
July 15, 2007 - 20:34 ET by Dave RMica,
It's Euro-weenies like Snotty that have often caused me to re-think the wisdom of our participation in the European Theater of WW II, or why we had even bothered in WW I, for that matter.
Now it is our country that is threatened, and many Europeans view us as the bad guys for doing something other than appeasing our enemies. They appear to me to be as spoiled children who have never really been required to grow up, as all through the Cold War they knew we would step in to save the day for them. Perhaps we are at least partially at fault here.
Given the riots that have taken place in France, the bombings in Spain that literally brought down the government, and the fact that the name Mohammed is now the second most popular name for male children in the UK, would at least wake a few of the Europeans up to the fact that there is at least a hint of a problem with Muslim radicals. Somehow, I don't think they get it.
Help Fred defeat the RINOs, along with the Hitllary-Obama Axis, & win the White House in '08.
Dave R:They'll 'get it' when
July 15, 2007 - 21:21 ET by Mica the MagnificentDave R:
They'll 'get it' when the Islamofascists attack Buckingham Palace and turn it into a mosque.
"You'll just have to get bloody used to it!" - - -BBC commentator concerning the queen's decision to wear a burqa
I appreciate your candor Dave
July 15, 2007 - 21:40 ET by acumenDave - I appreciate your candor my friend. So refreshing after dealing with a dubious character like Not.
I think the Shrubster is on to something with his hater inference. Roger has always proved to be correct in the past. Either way, the resemblence is uncanny.
Please refer to Noels comment to Not. Not is toast. Not is lying about the raghead references to this site so there is no honest way he can prove his statement and leftists apparently only apologize for the actions of their ancestors or some such silly nonsense. It would be a first if I ever heard a lib humble themself by apologizing to a conservative.
Like Noel, I'm getting weary of these moonbats thinking they can get a free pass. They only come here to stir up trouble. I guess that is all they have left when they can't support their ideology and ideas with reasoned thought. I have no patience for them anymore.
Later. Hugh
Hugh
July 15, 2007 - 21:45 ET by Noel SheppardHugh,
BTW: I saw your post to USnot concerning raghead. I wanted to thank you for reminding me to respond to his nonsense.
I saw his post on this issue earlier in the afternoon, but was heading out for a bike ride. After two hours climbing "my" mountain, stretching, showering, etc., I forgot about his invective. As such, you reminded me to do my own Google search, and a node search. Thanks. ns
acumen,Thanks. Well, I knew
July 16, 2007 - 13:35 ET by Dave Racumen,
Thanks.
Well, I knew it would be only a matter of time before somebody ferreted them out, although it took me a while to find them myself.
And I am not buying for even a second Snotty's claim that he found this site by Googling the term in question, as I did manage to find my three comments on Google, but I had to include my SN in order for them to show up.
Of course, I do not find the term in question offensive at all, but then I am not one who normally concerns myself with such things. I do, however, understand why some may see it as such, as well as why the editors here would prefer we not use it, which is why I have ceased its use here. It is a somewhat "redneck" term, I'll admit, but sometimes those can be fun.
As for our resident trolls, I have noticed a trend recently in their increased level of viciousness toward conservatives on this site, as well as what I perceive as sharp increase in the transparent stupidity of their assertions here. I further sense a hightened level of frustration on the part of many libs in this country at the moment, and I think at least part of it is due to the innability of the dim-controlled congress to bring Mesrs. Bush & Cheney to their knees, as well as force an outright surrender in Iraq. Congress' approval ratings are now lower than even Mr. Bush's, which has to be causing them severe consternation.
I mean, there was Dave High committing bloggicide the other night, and pinheadia's extremly offensive comments that were directed at one of our servicemen currently serving over there, which angered me to the point of being utterly speechless. Then we have Snotty, who claims to be European (I'm not sure I believe him), coming in here and ripping my country constantly, as well as all of us.
I don't know. Perhaps it is a moon-phase thing or something. Strange, it is.
D.
Help Fred defeat the RINOs, along with the Hitllary-Obama Axis, & win the White House in '08.
Prag...Hear! Hear!
July 15, 2007 - 16:49 ET by bigtimerPrag...
Hear! Hear!
I'm actually glad you asked!I
July 15, 2007 - 16:58 ET by USnotU.S.I'm actually glad you asked!
I found this site while researching the term "raghead". So many references led here, that I thought it must be interesting. Indeed it is. Aussies are ragheads. Scotsmen are ragheads. It seems pretty much everyone outside the US is a raghead, according to the many ignorant members on this site.
I know you wouldn't be proud of such oxygen thieves. I sympathise.
I came here simply to keep reminding people that there is a world outside the US, where the majority lives. Nothing wrong with that. Nothing offensive in that.
It gets me branded a communist for some reason, but I pay little attention because the people saying it don't know me.
I don't care about US politics in US homes, and within US borders. I wouldn't dream of presenting an opinion on the Immigration Bill for example, because I don't know, and it's none of my business.
Outside your borders, however, I care a great deal about US politics because it affects the VAST majority of the world's population. While some people will say that nothing matters outside the US, I know that most people in the US don't think this, and that some people are just intent on making this a hate site.
I don't attack. I don't say anything offensive. If I quote GW saying something stupid, it's because he said it, and because his stupidity doesn't benefit me. No, why would I respect the office of the President of the US? Do I respect his desk, or his chair, or what? I don't respect him. The man cannot even pronounce the word"nuclear" and you guys think he's in charge of the world.
I'll leave the respect to the people who voted for him. In the meantime, if his actions don't affect where the majority lives, we'll stay quiet. Until then, face up to the majority!
Usnot...Just wait until you h
July 15, 2007 - 17:02 ET by bigtimerUsnot...
Just wait until you have to post the words US President Fred Thompson ...
ROFLMAO!
Hey Sparky (USnotUS) this is why you shine.
July 15, 2007 - 17:12 ET by acaiguanaHey Sparky (USnotUS) this is why you shine.
"I don't attack. I don't say anything offensive."
Try these quotes on for size.
"At the end of the day, I'm still wondering whether the denialists on this site are asking..."
and;
"I never credited you as being too bright, but you just showed everyone with that comment, that you are no danger to the educated."
and;
Ok Hitler!
Not doing too good here my man. Why don't you stay on your side of the pond? We have enough idiots over here.
ACA
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All those quotes of yours wer
July 15, 2007 - 17:39 ET by USnotU.S.All those quotes of yours were in response to attacks. Maybe "Hitler" on it's own could be seen to have some degree of dirt to it, but I think you're struggling, generally.
I have not been attacking.
Re-read the attacks of your colleagues instead.
USnotUS - QED Dude.
July 15, 2007 - 17:43 ET by acaiguanaUSnotUS - QED Dude.
I've just gotta quit. I really compassionately do not want to engage with you anymore. It's too much like scraping something off my shoe. When you get bigger and wiser then you can try again.
But as I said, don't bring a knife to a gunfight.
ACA
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snot is confused
July 15, 2007 - 17:45 ET by Pragmatic-ManAttacks on your content is allowed. It is the nature of political discourse. Personal attacks are also allowed, although they are different, and not as welcome. Behave, please. We are watching.
content is king
July 15, 2007 - 17:50 ET by Pragmatic-ManJust remember, USnot, content is king. Offer content and reasonable discussion and the other posters respond with engaging dialogue. Take jabs and the teeth are bared. It's the golden rule all over again.
There are libs here who are as pleasant as the conservos. I disagree with their views and they with mine, but we are civil.
Try again sometime. It can be fun without being nasty.
I've got no reason to disagre
July 15, 2007 - 18:04 ET by USnotU.S.I've got no reason to disagree! I'm right there with you.
Maybe I just need to meet the pleasant conservos.
BTW. The patronising approach won't scare me away either.
Ui've engaged you reasonably
July 15, 2007 - 18:15 ET byU
i've engaged you reasonably when you were reasonable earlier today
Now would you explain how the term 'rgd' could lead to NB? It's not really used here.
see hydros comments
"The more I study science, the more I believe in God." Einstein
patronising?
July 15, 2007 - 18:19 ET by Pragmatic-ManPatronising? I am trying to get you to wisen up that being ugly is not conducive to social discourse.
Maybe we just need to meet the pleasant usnot.
usnot get back to content
July 15, 2007 - 18:22 ET by Pragmatic-ManUSnot, I have multiple posts within this thread that are still waiting for your contribution. You seem ready to kick and jab, but why are you not answering to the content-carrying rebuttals to your posts?
US unaware of the world... yeah
July 15, 2007 - 17:12 ET by Pragmatic-ManSo why would the USA, biggest supporter of freedom throughout the world, and arguably the earth's police, not be aware that there is a world out there.
Case 1: WW1, we "discovered" Europe, a place we had been leaving in disdain for about two hundred years.
Case 2: WW2, we "rediscovered" Europe, and also found out about a new place we had never heard of... Japan. Rebuilt both with American tax dollars after we had liberated multiple countries. Oh, lest I forget, found a neat place called "North Africa" too.
Case 3: Korean War, we were introduced to a never-known-by-American's country called Korea. Backwards place, kinda primitive, with some really mean and brutal guys living there. Liberated half of it.
Case 3: Vietnam War, we found this charming and budding communist country that yearned for liberation and relief of the oppression of the USSR. We left, but only after completing the military mission, and still being tagged by our own socialist journos and dhimmicrats as losers and baby killers.
Case 4: the middle east. Just figured out in 2001 that there's this "restive" place called the middle east, festering with really bad guys and a wretched religion. Working on it.
So, the USA is unaware of the rest of the world? I say rubbish.
USnotU.S. That's funny. I v
July 15, 2007 - 17:27 ET by hydrodynDMUSnotU.S.
That's funny. I visit this site on a pretty regular basis and I don't really recall the term "raghead" coming up. But then, I don't read every post all the way through, so I figured I'd do a Google Search of "raghead" to see how many links to this site came up. I stopped looking after about the 10th page, but I didn't see any.
Maybe I'm just missing something. But hey, if you want to paint the vast majority of posters to this site as "ignorant" or hateful or intolerant or whatever, go right ahead.
And if you want to speak out against hate speech, I'm sure you could do a lot of good work over at DailyKos or DU. But then, maybe their kind of hate is OK since it's liberal. Right?
I'm glad you acknowledge that you are here to remind us of the oh so big and important world outside our borders. But last I checked, this was a website dedicated to exposing liberal bias in the media. I'm not sure how your "Hey! Look at me! I'm not an American" angle really works with that, but it's cool. Unlike places like DailyKos or DU (have you gone over there yet to combat all that hate speech?) we don't mind different or opposing view points here.
And I never asked about President Bush, but if you want to use your posts to me as an excuse to feed your compulsive urge to insult the man, OK.
I do like how you end your post, though. "Until then, face up to the majority!" Um. No. See, one of the benefits of living in the U.S. is that I can pretty much go each day of my life, doing my thing, without having to spend a nanojoule of energy worrying about you or folks like you.
hydrodyneDM, just did a refined Google on 'Raghead'.
July 15, 2007 - 17:40 ET by acaiguanahydrodyneDM, just did a refined Google on 'Raghead'.
Got back 8 hits for newsbusters with the omitted results. Got back 9 hits with the omitted results included.
Of course, the search did not include today's rants by our foreign xenophobe to the US, and that will increase the hits by tomorrow to maybe 11 or 12.
If he hangs long enough to keep raggin' on the term itself, he might get it up to say, 20?
Pretty terrible experience.
I'll need a nap now.
ACA
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acaiguana, His justificatio
July 15, 2007 - 17:49 ET by hydrodynDMacaiguana,
His justification for finding this site is laughable. Of all the websites out there, yea - this one is one of the worst when it comes to hate. Just another example of someone trying desperately to convince themselves of their own stereotypical views of people they dislike.
I don't understand why some people have this need to lie about their reasons for doing and saying things. A simple "I hate Bush, I hate Conservatives and I hate the U.S. under the Bush administration and I think Americans are stupid and uninformed" would suffice.
Not like we haven't read that here before.
This is laughable.I found thi
July 15, 2007 - 18:17 ET by USnotU.S.This is laughable.
I found this site six or seven weeks ago, following the term "raghead". That's a fact.
Now, I'm not sure if it was via Google. If it was, did you try Google Australia, and then Google UK? Please answer this question, so I know I'm not addressing an idiot.
If I spent all my time wearing fatigues in a basement, on a PC on a desk made of canned food, maybe I could give you the exact chain of links that led me here. I can't, ok? I've travelled about 50,000km in the last 3 weeks.
(wait for it.... "Aw, an he cawls imself an enviro, ro ,ro envir mentalst!")
Would you rather I said I found your site by typing "Gun totin' Bible bashin' Climate change Denial"?
The search would probably still end here!
Yes, I don't mind a fight. Deal with it.
but you whine when challenged
July 15, 2007 - 18:25 ET bybut you whine when challenged?
"The more I study science, the more I believe in God." Einstein
Sheesh botg is that strine j
July 15, 2007 - 18:48 ET by Jack BauerSheesh botg is that strine jerk off still here.
I swear to God these guys must go to the same brainwashing camp. Every leftist cliche in the book spews outta them.
Jack Did he ever ask you wher
July 15, 2007 - 18:51 ET byJack
Did he ever ask you where you live after his assertion?
"The more I study science, the more I believe in God." Einstein
Have no idea. Got better thin
July 15, 2007 - 18:59 ET by Jack BauerHave no idea. Got better things to do than follow this tedious bloke's posts.
These leftist dimwits come here, pretending to be other than they are, start off as if they are all "shocked" that regular conservatives take no prisoners, then pretty soon comes the "supericilious" snotty responses.
And they ain't got one thought in their tiny heads that challenges the prevailing leftist orthodoxies they swallowed whole when they were about 14.
Man oh man, they are just SO BORING. They can't even come up with interesting insults.
Hey, Jackster, ACA here!!
July 15, 2007 - 19:07 ET by acaiguanaHey, Jackster, ACA here!!
How's the fog?
Whaddyathink about this neo-Euro-social iconoclast?
I think the idea that the US, who feeds the world (by the way, have you seen this?) How could the UN feed the world? By pretending to be the US.
How can the UN be the US? By pretending that GW is important enough to tax.
See ya on the flip flop.
ACA
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aca my man.The only people in
July 15, 2007 - 19:23 ET by Jack Baueraca my man.
The only people in a fog seem to be the suspect usuals, Euro-trash weenies, socialists, neo-commies, Stalinists, SWPs, Trots and neo-Nazis.
Jack sorry to leave you hangi
July 15, 2007 - 19:29 ET byJack sorry to leave you hangin' (dinner) thanks. (i think i'm done with the second page the 300 comments will be great)
"The more I study science, the more I believe in God." Einstein
USnotU.S.Why do you feel th
July 15, 2007 - 18:48 ET by hydrodynDMUSnotU.S.
Why do you feel that need to make juvenile characterizations of the people on this site? You claim to be an adult, but your posts contain the type of tripe that a 14 year old with a chip on his shoulder would put out. Really, if you think you are being clever or original, you aren't. But as I said in a previous post, if you need to convince yourself of the stereotypes you hold about those on this site - go for it man. Whatever helps you make it through the day.
And if you want to make the claim that the vast majority of posters here are racists or xenophobes (or whatever it is that you are implying with the "raghead" comment), then make a case for it. And by "case" I mean provide the quotes from a large selection of contributors and posters to this site that you would need to back that up your assertion.
Or is putting together a coherent argument something you smart folk just don't have to time for?
Once and for all, the last ti
July 15, 2007 - 19:10 ET by ThisnThatOnce and for all, the last time -- the term is Global Warming, not Climate Change. Now try to remember this.
Here's a little tutorial, brought to you by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA). It lists the causes of past climate changes (warming and cooling). They are:
These are powerful forces, and they are still with us. The EPA also points out that now mankind is contributing to some of these (such as land use and greenhouse gases) -- but that our impact can not be determined, and that the future effects of all the other causes is unknowable.
The EPA concludes with this statement: "It is important to recognize that projections of climate change in specific areas are not forecasts comparable to tomorrow’s weather forecast. Rather, they are hypothetical examples of how the climate might change and usually contain a range of possibilities as opposed to one specific high likelihood outcome."
So that's the science. Anything else is speculation, bias, and politics.
That's a fact = The debate
July 15, 2007 - 20:06 ET by mulerider24That's a fact = The debate is over
I can't wait for his next post regarding consensus.
I went into Google UK and Aus
July 15, 2007 - 20:19 ET by danboI went into Google UK and Australia. I ran a search raghead and newsbusters.
In Google UK there were 311 returns. I only checked the 1st 50. Returns of which only 2 were from Newsbusters. Both from the same thread.
In Google Australia there were 341 returns. The first 50 of which again 2 were directly from newsbusters. The wiord was used 3 times by the same person.
I've been called a lot worse. You call us deniers.
You owe Newsbusters and all of is an appology.
But somehow I doubt you're man enough to do so.
Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of truth and knowledge will be shipwrecked by the laughter of the Gods. Albert Einstein
USnot is rather nasty
July 15, 2007 - 21:52 ET by Pragmatic-ManUSnot, so you are itching for a fight? Then head down to the pub. The site is Newsbusters. We discuss news reports here.
Googled "Gun totin' Bibl
July 16, 2007 - 06:25 ET by danboGoogled "Gun totin' Bible bashin' Climate Change Denial" and newsbusters. Not one return.
The depths of your bigotry are amazing.
But siince you can't handle science that disagrees with AGW, and chose to deny raw data and observations that contradict AGW. All you have left is bigotry, mantra and stupidity.
You owe this group an appology.
Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of truth and knowledge will be shipwrecked by the laughter of the Gods. Albert Einstein
I was going to ask how many o
July 15, 2007 - 19:32 ET by danboI was going to ask how many of those references came from snot. I don't recall ever hearing it either.
Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of truth and knowledge will be shipwrecked by the laughter of the Gods. Albert Einstein
In case you missed it. Most o
July 15, 2007 - 19:24 ET by danboIn case you missed it. Most of the scientist who are arguing against AGW aren't americans. They're from around the globe.
You seem to have the desire to make this about the US. Specifically conservative americans. That's your issue.
Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of truth and knowledge will be shipwrecked by the laughter of the Gods. Albert Einstein
}}----> You found us Snotty
July 15, 2007 - 20:26 ET by Cool ArrowI was googling snotrag and I found you here at Newsbusters.
USnotU.S.
July 15, 2007 - 21:16 ET by Noel SheppardUS,
I found this site while researching the term "raghead". So many references led here, that I thought it must be interesting. Indeed it is. Aussies are ragheads. Scotsmen are ragheads. It seems pretty much everyone outside the US is a raghead, according to the many ignorant members on this site.
I request you immediately prove this statement, or your account will be deleted.
I did a Google search of the term "raghead," and after ten pages, found no referrals to NewsBusters.
Furthermore, I did a "node" search of this website for that term, and also found no articles including the word "raghead." Now, our search isn't perfect in this regard. However, it's quite clear you made this invective up, and I'm not going to tolerate it.
As such, you have 24 hours to respond to this request with either an apology, or a link to a search engine showing many referrals to this website for the word "raghead."
Barring this, you're gone. Period. ns
USNot - Alas, we hardly knew ye.
July 16, 2007 - 22:35 ET by Free StinkerI'd say that I'll miss USnot and his hatred of the USA, but I don't want to lie. ;-)
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Fred Thompson and Ann Coulter walk into a bar. The bar is instantly destroyed because that much awesome cannot be contained in one building.
}}----> Say it ain't so Free
July 16, 2007 - 22:38 ET by Cool ArrowWe are ...Snotless?
Actually, he still seems to
July 16, 2007 - 22:40 ET by Free StinkerActually, he still seems to have his account.
Maybe he appologized via PM?
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Fred Thompson and Ann Coulter walk into a bar. The bar is instantly destroyed because that much awesome cannot be contained in one building.
Maybe Free, but here we
July 16, 2007 - 22:46 ET byMaybe Free,
but here we are and no second page search awesome!
Noel if you are out there the term in question has been used more by USnot and answers to USnot than perhaps in the history of the site it's just not us to denegrate in that way. (One on one, face to face, well that happens now and then)
"The more I study science, the more I believe in God." Einstein
Ah. No multi-pages.
July 16, 2007 - 22:50 ET by Free StinkerAh. No multi-pages. :-)
Now if I could just find the moderate button/link . . .
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Fred Thompson and Ann Coulter walk into a bar. The bar is instantly destroyed because that much awesome cannot be contained in one building.
}}}----> Multipages
July 16, 2007 - 22:53 ET by Cool ArrowI remember when I used to experience multiple paginations.
Seems like just a couple of hours ago.
I think Aca was making an ana
July 15, 2007 - 16:02 ET by PeskyDaneI think Aca was making an analogy. Another word for that would be comparison. Thought you said you were smart... or at least infered that you were intellectual.
You_snot ... godd__n, you're
July 15, 2007 - 15:35 ET by jonathanandersonYou_snot ... godd__n, you're one hell of a dumbass.
The number of people who believe in global warming is an extreme minority ... and when you take it globally you're getting into tenths of a percent.
Only a few dozen PhD idiots have bought that lie hook, line, and sinker ... everyone else sees the devil in the details - and in the doctrine.
OK, so break it down for us.
July 15, 2007 - 15:59 ET by PeskyDaneOK, so break it down for us. Does that big yellow ball in the sky, (converting 700 million metric tons of hydrogen into helium every second) have anything to do with global warming?
And with so much precision an
July 15, 2007 - 17:58 ET by ThisnThatAnd with so much precision and quality-control built in, down to the nano-joule, too. Knowing that the sun will always work within such precise parameters (assumed by the global warning alarmists), the only thing left to vary is mankind's pollution. Control that, they say, and it fixes everything.
This is why we laugh and yell at them -- they are sooooooo stupid.
Peaky -- are you frackin' nut
July 15, 2007 - 19:34 ET by Jack BauerPeaky -- are you frackin' nuts.
Only a moron could possibly think the 5 billion year old celestial body, we call the Sun, consuming 6 million tons of fuel a second for the next 5 billion years, could have anything but the most marginal affect on our climate.
It's not like it's a star or something.
No no no, my little Danish pastry. It's you. Breathing. And driving. Damn you to hell for being so irresponsible.
USnotU.S. the Socialist, exposed by self
July 15, 2007 - 22:17 ET by Unsane"Also, why is it only the nation with 25% of the world's wealth and 6% of the world's population..."
Why, that comment shows you to be the Socialist you are. It's not fair in your whiny eyes that the United States should have all that wealth, so it's YOUR job to steal as much of it as possible, in the name of fairness.
I think that point isn't lost on the rest of the world's Socialists, either, but many thanks for outing yourself.
By the way, if global warming is REALLY happening, can you explain the first snow Buenos Aires has had in 89 years, just recently?
1) If the Kyoto Protocol was really out to tame GLOBAL warming, then why are China, India, and Brazil, among others, exempt from it?
2) Why is tropical deforestation not dealt with anywhere in the Protocol?
3) Explain the snow in Lisbon and New Delhi in 2005-2006, the snow in Johannesburg in July 2006 and July 2007, and the above mentioned snow storm in Buenos Aires.
4) Exit Glacier, near Seward, AK, has been melting since 1780, at least. What human activity was causing it to melt then?
5) Why was the Beaufort/Chukchi Seas full of ice in July/August 2004?
6) Why don't you guilt-ridden whiners and complainers ever bitch and moan about China's becoming the world's top emitter of greenhouse gases?
7) Why did it snow SOUTH and east of San Antonio, a city that itself rarely, if ever, gets snow, for Christmas 2004?
8) Why do the "greenies" not cite nuclear power as an alternative fuel source? It works for 78.5% of France's needs...
MAKE WAY FOR THE SAN ANTONIO SPURS!!! THE 1999, 2003, 2005, AND 2007 NBA CHAMPIONS!!!!
Global Warming
July 16, 2007 - 09:46 ET by pbanks7And let me guess - more humidity will bring dought and crop losses.
Ignorance is bliss. It's easier to repeat a mindless slogan than to do some actual research.
goddard= AGW Buckingham Palace
July 15, 2007 - 15:53 ET by Pragmatic-ManI work at Goddard, the Vatican equivalent to the AGW religion. That's where all of the top AGW scientits hold court every day. I can tell you that the enthusiasm has crested, and the ebb tide is in effect. It crested when the UN report came out, and has been dwindling ever since. The straw on the camel's back was when the 'political' report was deemed as a 'scientific' publication by the top chairs at Goddard.
Within the realm of scientists (the true scientitsts), journals of science are distinct from political publications. That is why National Geographic is not considered a science journal. Interesting to note, it was this technicality that caused the as yet complicit scientists to allow their upper chair colleagues to continue their game of charades.
I would liken it to a fight breaking out at a rugby match over improper player substitution during match play.
The struggling glacier finally calved when the NASA director publicly questioned Hansen's standings on global warming. At that moment, the rats with names to protect found ropes and ran down them, albeit silently, but in haste. You will find many scientists worldwide that differ with Hansen, but you will find far greater numbers, throughout the ranks, that will NOT support Hansen, and there is a difference. It is the difference between standing up to a bully and simply avoiding the offensive bloke altogether.
Thank you for the very intere
July 15, 2007 - 20:48 ET by dahliatraversThank you for the very interesting and heartening report from the center of the action, Pragmatic-Man. Scientists at Goddard are correct to have been offended by the characterization of the IPCC reports as science.
It is the difference between standing up to a bully and simply avoiding the offensive bloke altogether.
Not to mention that one presumably encounters him periodically in the halls or meetings, etc. One doesn't look to create awkwardness with one's co-workers if it can be avoided.
Noel The update, Did you get
July 15, 2007 - 20:30 ET by danboNoel The update, Did you get a message from Lindzen on this? If so. I'm greatly impressed.
Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of truth and knowledge will be shipwrecked by the laughter of the Gods. Albert Einstein
It's been happening for years
July 16, 2007 - 09:03 ET by Ole_SargeWe humans DO NOT understand how the solar power generator actually works and can only infer results from observations.
Funny that global climate changes are occuring on the OTHER planets in our solar system, but of course! Geroge Bush is to blame for that too!
I was a "tourist" to the solar observatory on Kitt Peak in Arizona with my Senior Girl Scout Troop. Interesting thing, the scientist there, in 1998 was talking about observing over the past couple years, some changes on the sun. There was a "conjecture" discussion about how what happens on the sun affects ALL the planets, and therefore plantary climate and life as well.
I REMEMBER WELL the "doom and gloom" predictions of a coming global Ice Age.
We have not got a clue WHY it is happening, nor exactly HOW it is happening. So why not just work on WHAT WE CAN DO.
As to the cleaning up of the environment, recycling and using less fossil/hydrocarbon based fuels. These are all GOOD ideas, and frankly we ought ot be doing them already without the club of the "Human Activity Based Global Warming Crowd's Religion,"
What ever happened to the separation of "church and state" now?