On PBS, 'Conservative' Bruce Fein Tries To Rough Bush Up In The Alley of History

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Bruce Fein was a member of the Reagan Administration, but during the Dubya years, Fein sounds a lot like your typical "Bush hater," comparing the president to a long list of historical villains, which makes him a more acceptable guest for Bill Moyers or NPR’s Diane Rehm show. Here are the actual places in the Friday Bill Moyers Journal interview where squeaky-voiced Fein took Bush to the historical dark alley and tried to rough him up:

Today’s Japanese Internment Camps? 

FEIN: Take World War II. We locked up 120,000 Japanese Americans, said they were all disloyal. Well, we got 120,000 mistakes. They lost their property. They lost their liberty for years and years because we made a huge mistake. And that can be true after 9/11 as well.

-- Just Like Hitler, Worse Than Nixon: 

FEIN: Let me underscore one of the things that you remember, Bill, 'cause I was there at the time of Watergate. And this relates to one political-- official in the White House, Sara Taylor's testimony. And claiming that George Bush could tell her to be silent.

BILL MOYERS: That was a great moment when Sara Taylor said, "I took an oath to uphold the president." Did you see that?

BRUCE FEIN: Yes. And that was like the military in Germany saying, "My oath is to the Fuhrer, not to the country." She took an oath to uphold the Constitution of the United States. I did, too, when I was in the government. There's no oath that says, "I'm loyal to a president even if he defiles the Constitution."

JOHN NICHOLS: Ever.

BILL MOYERS: Just this week Harriet Miers, the president's former counsel, did not show up to testify before the congressional hearing. What do you make of that in regard to this issue of power?

BRUCE FEIN: Well, it shows how far we've come from even the mon-- monarchical days of Richard Nixon where he didn't have the audacity to tell John Dean, "No, you can't testify before the Watergate committee about conversations you had with me about obstructing justice or otherwise."  

Fein later added another worse-than-Nixon moment:

"The power of the purse. That is an absolute power. And yet Congress shies from it. It was utilized during the Vietnam War, you may recall, in 1973. Congress said there's no money to go and extend the war into Laos and Cambodia. And even President Nixon said okay. This was a president who at one time said, "If I do it, it's legal."

-- Worse Than King George III. Fein really broke out the Big Brother talk when he caricatured the administration’s positions on terrorist surveillance and created an Orwellian nightmare:

FEIN:  Take, for instance, the assertion that he's made that when he is out to collect foreign intelligence, no other branch can tell him what to do. That means he can intercept your e-mails, your phone calls, open your regular mail, he can break and enter your home. He can even kidnap you, claiming I am seeking foreign intelligence and there's no other branch Congress can't say it's illegal--judges can't say this is illegal. I can do anything I want. That is overreaching. When he says that all of the world, all of the United States is a military battlefield because Osama bin Laden says he wants to kill us there, and I can then use the military to go into your homes and kill anyone there who I think is al-Qaeda or drop a rocket, that is overreaching. That is a claim even King George III didn't make at the time of the Revolution.

But we're talking about assertions of power that affect the individual liberties of every American citizen. Opening your mail, your e-mails, your phone calls. Breaking and entering your homes. Creating a pall of fear and intimidation if you say anything against the president you may find retaliation very quickly. We're claiming he's setting precedents that will lie around like loaded weapons anytime there's another 9/11.

Does Fein believe the American government did not respond to Abu Ghraib? Or allegations about soldiers murdering civilians at Haditha? Does he honestly believe that President Bush stands in the briefing room in the White House and boasts he can kill any American he wants in their homes if he thinks they might be al-Qaeda?

-- Worse Than Putin’s Pack of Poisoners.

FEIN: We have now indictments in both Italy and Germany against CIA operatives because they abducted and threw into dungeons and tortured people abroad. We need their cooperation if we're going to defeat al-Qaeda.

BILL MOYERS: You mean the cooperation of those governments.

BRUCE FEIN: Of those governments. And now they're saying, "The heck with it. You know, you can't come on our soil and kidnap people outside the law and throw them into dungeons."

BILL MOYERS: That's what Putin does. Putin is doing that--

BRUCE FEIN: Polonium 210, you know? You-- can we borrow some from you? And moreover, think, Bill, of the precedent it sets. It is basically saying, "Mr. Putin, you can kidnap an American outside the Louvre in Paris, throw him in a dungeon in Belarus and say, "Hey, he said sympathetic things about the Chechens." And therefore, you can operate outside the law because the Chechens are people you oppose. That's the precedent the president is saying is legal. But the other element with regard to the abuses to point out are Abu Ghraib. That's-- those pictures are all on al-Jazeera television. And they get shown every single day, 24 hours a day, to the Muslim youth that's seeking some meaning in their life. And that's what increases the recruitment attractiveness of al-Qaeda.

– The Gulag? I mentioned this one in the last blog, comparing the current Bush regime to the Soviets that dissident Aleksander Solzenitzyn portrayed in his classic work The Gulag Archipelago. He said of Congress: they don't have anybody who can, as a chairman or even asking a question like John or me say, ‘Mr. Attorney General, you answer that question. This is the United States of America. Transparency is the rule here. We don't have secret government. That's what Alexander Solzhenitsyn wrote about in the Gulag. That's not the United States of America..’"

How "conservative" are the conservatives that PBS omnipresence Bill Moyers interviews? Sadly, when Moyers puts you on his show, every conservative in America should suspect you’re either (a) no longer conservative or (b) your conservatism/libertarianism at least somehow landed you in strange-bedfellows agreement with Moyers. In this case, if anything, Fein was not only fiercer in his denunciation of Bush-Cheney than Bill Moyers, he was harsher than the guy from The Nation magazine. Calling Fein a conservative is a little like trying to call Zell Miller a liberal. Would Democrats accept that?

Moyers almost never debates conservative guests on his show. I do remember him having mild-mannered Paul Gigot of the Wall Street Journal on his "Now" show a while back, and it was quite effective that when Moyers said the economy looked to be headed over a cliff, Gigot smiled and gently said something like "Over a cliff, Bill? Come on." (Fred Smith of the Competitive Enterprise Institute was also good in his sort of Milton Friedmanesque happy-warrior way.)

But Moyers isn’t interested in having anyone come on and let loose a rant like Fein’s -- directed at him instead of conservatives. "This is the United States of America, Moyers, Transparency is the rule here. You can’t claim public television is fair to conservatives, and then declare to viewers that it only lives up to its mandate to the voiceless when it demands the impeachment of Republican presidents. You and this system are taking conservative money and still keeping conservatives voiceless. You can’t make millions of dollars off public television and not tell anyone about your financials because you’re a 'private business.'" That would be a neat show to watch.

—Tim Graham is Director of Media Analysis at the Media Research Center.


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Comparing the detention of

Comparing the detention of suspected terrorists to Japanese internment? What, no comparison to the rounding up of Jews?

Oh, please. Could we see the list, (or even have a guess at the number), of people who have been awakened from their beds in the night, and dragged out to some internment, or any other kind of camp, simply because of their ethnicity? I don't recall reading about people calling the police and saying "There are some Arabs living down the street from us, I don't trust them" and the cops coming and breaking down the door and dragging the Arabs away. Oh, wait, that's because the Bush administration does it in secret!!

So why then, have bush an

So why then, have bush and cheney contracted with KBR for millions, or is it billions, of dollars to build detention centers all around the country? This is documented... do they really believe that we will need capacity for a hundred thousand illegal aliens? Hey, my grandparents said they never saw it coming in Germany (thank God they got out)... until it was too late. Little by little things changed. They said it was so subtle until it was beyond anyone's control.

I'm just saying, why would they need those detention centers? For Mexicans?

The Right Reverend Moyers an

The Right Reverend Moyers and the whole gaggle of leftists in the Washington press corps love quoting the likes of Fein because it allows them to identify people such as Fein as a "former Reagan administration official" and thus appear to the virulently uninformed (i.e., members of the Democrat party) as "balanced".  The same dupes also always portray Lawrence Korb as a "former Reagan Defense Department official" when in fact an accurate description of Korb would be: "a longtime leftist and current member of a kook fringe leftist outfit".  The same idiocy was also previously used when identifying Anita Hill as merely a "former member of the Reagan Justice Department", and one of my favorites was the predictable identification of Kevin Phillips as a "Nixon aide" when the most accurate description of Phillips would be as the Wall Street Journal editorial page identified him, to wit: "a country and western Marxist."  Just a few months ago, CNN's hapless White House correspondent Ed Henry, when he was attempting to lobby for some leftist cause at one of the White House press briefings, identified Kevin Phillips as "even Republicans like Kevin Phillips say ...."  I almost forgot to mention David Gergen who has for decades been portrayed by every dupe in the Washington press corps as a "Republican" because he happened to be employed in a couple of Republican administrations.  I don't immediately remember other examples, but I'm sure that there are dozens which I'll remember later.

Shades of the "conversio

Shades of the "conversion" of David Brock.

Well, let's see the practica

Well, let's examine the practical realities of what Messrs. Fein, Nichols and Moyers are advocating.

Bush should be impeached. Cheney too. (And by impeach I also assume conviction and removal from office).

FDR should have been impeached in the middle of WWII. Truman too since, among other things, he continued with the internment policies (German and Italian Americans were also interned along with Japanese Americans) created by FDR. I assume FDR's second VP, Henry Wallace also goes since he supported the internment.

Wilson goes. His VP Marshall also gets the pink slip. Lincoln goes. His VPs Hanibal Hamlin and Andrew Johnson need to be removed since they supported Lincoln's actions. Jefferson goes. His VPs Burr and Clinton, supporting Jefferson's policies, probably both go.

I'll cut our history lesson short right here.

At some point, theory has to be hit by the fan of reality.

It's a nice parlor game. Makes one feel superior and all that. But it has exactly zero connection to the real world.

And the Constitution - even that sacred "rule of law" - must be viewed and applied with real people in real situations in mind.

SMG

Re:  People's Broadcasting S

Re:  People's Broadcasting System, is there a particular reason why a tax-payer funded TV network would broadcast "Young Frankenstein" like the local DC affiliate did last night?  Is that considered in the public interest?

Re:  the "monarchial" days of Richard Nixon.  If I'm not mistaken, Nixon resigned.  Or did I miss the part where he dissolved Congress and postponed the 1976 presidential election?

Prester

"Young Frankenstein" sounds like a pledge drive

Bill Moyers is becoming a ca

Bill Moyers is becoming a caricature of the media liberals: too much ego and no analysis. Could one expect anything else from a top official of the Johnson presidency? It is a portent of what's going to happen with George Stephanopoulos.

I hope they both keep at no

I hope they both keep at no matter who, a dem or repub, is in the office. The office of the president is to be kept in check by the congress.... and hopefully the media will keep bringing information to us. Even if we don't like it. It's not about liberal or conservative, which it is so easy to fall back on, it's about the integrity of our government. It's about questioning our ELECTED officials. It's about our founding fathers putting into place checks and balances so there isn't a power grab. This is not liberal thinking. If you think it is then you do not understand the constitution. It's really not even about bush. It's about the integrity of the presidency. I don't want the next guy or gal to have the power that bush has... do you? Do you want Hillary to have this unchecked power?

BTMSo you believe that Meet t

BTM

So you believe that Meet the Press should be anchored by say Karl Rove?

"The more I study science, the more I believe in God."     Einstein

How about keeping in check th

How about keeping in check the Congress trying to assume powers of the Executive? 

Or do you think this is a one way street into a parliamentary system in which the Presidency is reduced to no more than the prime minister in a cabinet of ministers (secretaries) of state?

You've seen the spoof. Now see the spoof of the spoof on YouTube: The Clintpranos: Bada Bong

Here’s a classic case of li

Here’s a classic case of liberal distortion, where Moyers sets up the conversation with Bruce Fein. From the Bill Moyers Journal (emphasis mine): 

  • “BILL MOYERS: But he did. And even after that denial in early 1998, President Clinton lied again seven months later - this time under oath to a federal grand jury. But that very evening he had a change of heart. PRESIDENT BILL CLINTON: "Indeed, I did have a relationship with Miss Lewinsky that was not appropriate. In fact, it was wrong….I know that my public comments and my silence about this matter gave a false impression. I misled people, including even my wife. I deeply regret that." BILL MOYERS: For one powerful Republican member of Congress, an apology wasn't enough. Tom Delay, then the majority whip of the House, convinced speaker Newt Gingrich and Republican leaders that Clinton's lie called for nothing less than removing the president from office - impeachment. Special prosecutor Kenneth Starr was commissioned to gather the evidence. Starr eventually sent 36 boxes of evidence to the capitol. They catalogued his investigation of Clinton's finances, a sexual harassment suit filed by Paula Jones and sting operations mounted by the prosecutor to uncover the details of the Lewinsky affair.”

Reading this, an unaware reader would assume that Ken Starr was commissioned to gather evidence for impeachment because Tom DeLay demanded it after Clinton lied in 1998. For the record, Starr’s investigation began in 1994. Clinton’s lie didn’t provoke Starr’s investigation, and Starr’s investigation wasn’t the next step on the road to impeachment. As Moyers tries to build a stampede to impeachment, he resorts to his usual tactic -- distorting the facts to weave a myth.

News flash to these two:I REA

News flash to these two:

I REALLY DON'T GIVE A FLYING LEEP AT THE MOON WHERE WE KEEP THE BAD GUYS, HOW MANY OF THEM WE ARE KEEPING, AND WHAT WE (OR ANYONE ELSE) DO TO THEM WHILE IN OUR CUSTODY!

Personally, I'd rather my tax $$$ go to this than to a stu-u-u-pid southern city that couldn't put it's people on the hundreds of school busses and drive them the hell out ...

Drill,The only change I'd mak

Drill,

The only change I'd make to your basic sentiment above is to put it in BOLD CAPS!

Thanks.

I have listened/watched Bruce

I have listened/watched Bruce Fein for years now...better than fifteen years I would guess...

He has become intolerable.

Period.

I call him a switch hitter....does remind me of David Brock.

I can't (and in the past three years or more) help but wonder if somebody has something on him to make him turn so leftist from what he used to be.

...hmmmm...FBI files....lol...

Why, Bruce Fein couldn't po

Why, Bruce Fein couldn't possibly be an authentic conservative. After all, he observes what is going on in the current administration, thinks clearly about, and calls it as he sees it. The onset of fascism can be a subtle thing---and for many conservatives, apparently, impossible to see.

Sneaky little bugger, aren't

Sneaky little bugger, aren't ye?

Fein is another example of an elite with a big ole ego who likes to parade around his 'friends' in the liberal media.  Gag!!!

Anyone who says they support the troops but not the mission is a liar. 

}}----> Moyers

Let's see? Fein is claiming Bush, a Republican, would do the same dastardly things as FDR, a Democrat?  How does he figure that?

And the Harriet Miers thing!  Better he had offered a Vince Foster solution to avoid testifying?

Moyers knows a lot about loyalty, for sure.  Did he ever uncover those homos in Goldwater's campaign?

LYDSEXICS UNTIE!