Time's Washington Bureau Chief Favors Hillary/Edwards Scheme To Limit Debate Participation


The MSM has been mostly silent on the scheming caught on video between Hillary Clinton and John Edwards as they plotted to purge the "lower tier" candidates from the Democrat debates. However, we now have Time Magazine's Washington Bureau Chief, Jay Carney, weighing in on the issue and he has come down firmly on the side of ridding the "lesser" candidates from the debates. In his July 13 Time blog post, Carney asks, "Are Crowded Debates Useless?" As you can see, Carney answers his own question in the affirmative:

Just about, I'd say. I'm all for underdog would-be presidents getting exposure, but there are simply too many candidates right now - in both parties - for the debates and forums that include all of them to yield much of anything of value to voters. So I'm sympathetic to the whispered co-conspiring between Senators Edwards and Clinton picked up by microphones at an NAACP forum in Detroit.

If you think Carney is for ridding some of the candidates from the debates for being too eccentric, such as Mike (Potted Plant) Gravel, you would be wrong:

The problem with the second-tier candidates in the Democratic Party (Biden, Dodd, Richardson) is that they're all running the kind of cautious campaigns you'd expect from a front-runner or real contender. No one's throwing bombs or stirring up the debates the way, say, Al Sharpton used to. Perhaps this is because they're all angling for VP or Secretary of State consideration and therefore don't dare antagonize any of the frontrunners.

So the problem for Jay Carney is that he finds the second-tier candidates to be too boring. He seems to prefer the more entertaining bomb throwers to the mere rock throwers such as Gravel who tossed a large rock into a pond in perhaps the most bizarre campaign video ever produced. Perhaps Dennis Kucinich could redirect some of his outrage at John Edwards for trying to deal him out of the debates towards Carney who specifically mentioned him as unworthy of being included in future debates:

Given how early the primary season begins and ends, is it crazy to want to see some debates, beginning in September if not before, featuring just the top tier candidates? Or at least, in the Democrats' case, limiting it to the first and second tier (i.e., minus Kucinich and Gravel)?

As could be expected, Carney's elitist remarks about wanting to limit the debates to only those candidates he deems worthy of belonging to the exclusive upper tier club has sparked a firestorm of outrage from readers of his blog. Here is a sampling of their comments:

You've got lots of chutzpah make such a rash statement. Perhaps you have a short attention span, Jay. It a chance for people to see what these folks have to offer. It's not your job to annoit and pontificate... it's your job to cover and report. If that is not challenging enough for you, or it's beneath you, that choose another profession like public relations.

It is not for you media types to determine what is of value and who is important to voters as they go about making their decisions.

My opinion of the headline and your first sentence was that you write in an arrogant manner.

If it were two republicans discussing the topic, all of you would be after their head. You would be demanding they withdraw from the race. Two sets of standards?

This plotting between Hillary and Edwards has also caused a great deal of consternation in the leftwing blogosphere. This is just the type of scheming they would expect from Hillary but not from their hero, Edwards. These comments from the Democratic Underground reflect that disappointment in Edwards:

I don't need HR Clinton or Edwards or anyone else deciding who is a "lower level" candidate and who is serious or not. That is up to us, the voters, the decide.

I finally looked at the video this morning. Edwards initiates the discussion of cutting out some candidates, going over to Clinton. She agrees and as they turn to leave, Clinton saying "our guys should talk," they both blow off Obama.

Kucinich has every right to be outraged. And all the others. Where do these two get away with trying to machinate the debates? Edwards gets the main boos here for bringing it up (more me time, please!); Clinton for agreeing and offering to sic her dogs on the issue.

I'm surprised at Edwards. So much for that "two Americas" stuff.

Don't know which is worse, Edwards pretense of inclusivity or the blatant undemocratic behavior that is Clinton's habit.

edwards is just his usual hypocrite...

You can read more of the leftwing disillusionment with these two "top tier" Democrat candidates at the DUmmie FUnnies.

—P.J. Gladnick is a freelance writer and creator of the DUmmie FUnnies blog.


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I am all in favor of limiting

I am all in favor of limiting debate participation.  I think all the candidates should be limited to answering the questions that are asked.  I think that all of the persons asking questions of the candidates should be limited to substantive questions on the issues of the day.

"A communist is someone who reads Marx.  An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx."  Ronald Reagan

MikeB -Um, they're refusing t

MikeB -

Um, they're refusing to debate on FNC.  So, that ain't gonna happen.

The liberals here prove tha

The liberals here prove that they EAT their own.

Tastes like skunk too. So I

Tastes like skunk too. So I've heard.

You've seen the spoof. Now see the spoof of the spoof on YouTube: The Clintpranos: Bada Bong

Well maybe if they had a re

Well maybe if they had a real debate instead of this scripted crap that passes for it now. What they have is nothing more than an opportunity for them to spout their talking points.

Any answer that starts with "as we all know" or includes the phrase
"nonpartisan cooperation" (which means everyone agrees with me) should immediately get the gong.

Any question that asks about the candidates "pesonal" feelings should be outlawed.

Maybe we would get better results if they had debates of four at a time, chosen randomly, instead of this mob, which looks more like a spelling bee than a debate....

just some thoughts.....I'm sure others have more suggestions (not that anyone is listening LOL).

(Note: Some of us read others

(Note: Some of us read others’ posts; I certainly do. But I don't add anything unless I have something different -- not better, perhaps, but at least different -- to say.)  Step back and reflect what these events really are, and the idea of excluding candidates makes perfect sense. These aren’t debates about issues. These are media auditions, i.e., flagpole runs. Screen tests. It has nothing to do with executive skills. When they started running, the top three Democrat contenders had a sum total of twelve years in public office, and all of that was in the legislature. None of it was executive experience. (Unless you count Hillary as an “executive,” but then we’d have to ask the question: Why should we trust Hillary if she wielded executive power without the authority of the constitution? And by the way, her experience in executive power was the healthcare debacle, a secretive initiative that went down in flames.)

The myth is that these are job auditions. They’re not. These are the political equivalent of the casting couch. It has nothing to do with the candidate’s actual ability.

Thanks, KC, that was sort

Thanks, KC, that was sort of what I had in mind (the auditions and screen tests)...you put it very well.

They wonder why no one watches the debates. That's why...it's all too scripted and phony. They have to find a better way to do this.

The MSM prove once again...

Their goal is to minimize the information, points of view and ideas that the general public (who still listen to them) are exposed to. As long as they keep up with this agenda of trying to dictate public opinion and control the ideas out in the "marketplace" they will continue to lose viewers and readers.

The San Fran Chronicle just was found to be losing $1,000 per day because of dropping circulation. Even in the liberal bastion of S.F., it appears that not enough people want to get their news from only a liberal paper.

The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic

"I'm surprised at Edwards. So

"I'm surprised at Edwards. So much for that "two Americas" stuff."
I guess people really are that stupid.

Nortonalec

Nothing that Edwards has said

Nothing that Edwards has said or done has surprised me.  He's a narcissistic empty suit devoid of integrity.

Narcist-Leninist

He is a Narcist-Leninist.

Suggested caption...

At a recent press conference, Senator Clinton and John Edwards break into an impromptu rendition of "Oooo, oooo that smell!"

The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic

Yeah, that would make a goo

Yeah, that would make a good "captionfest" photo:

Edwards: Look at that! What the hell are those losers doing here! They've hardly raised any money at all!!!

Clinton: Uh, John.....I think the microphone is still on....

Nothing surprising from Carne

Nothing surprising from Carney, given that Carney is married to the hysterical leftist dingbat Claire Shipman, who while ostensibly working for NBC "News" served as Al Gore's chief press secretary during the 2000 presidential election.

Ahhh...the elitism of SHrilla

Open Mike ...Insert Foot....

Ahhh...the elitism of SHrillary and The Two America's Edwards says it all about their leftist arrogance doesn't it?

Carney is just an over-paid leftist empty headed empty suit working for another leftist organization...along with his wife....and all of their ilk....

Nothing new here really, the two special legends in their own minds critters got caught on tape with open mikes....and these are supposed to be politically savvy smartest people in the world kind of people....

I find the whole episode absolutely DELICIOUS!

 They should debate facing e

 They should debate facing each other, the one that can keep a straight face is the winner. These are kids at play, wait till they have to respond to the Repub candidates

G.C.Wait until they have to r

G.C.

Wait until they have to respond to Al Qaeda!

"I have read the Quoran. I think it is for the public good that we all convert to Islam . . by Tuesday or we're gonna die!" - - -President Hillary's State of the Union address 2010.

Imam Clinton

She's already converted to Islam.  That is why she can lie without guilt.  She does it for the furtherance of the muslicrat party

LYDSEXICS UNTIE!

And not only that...

Cool One,

Shmillary also has no conscience.  That's another reason why she is a liberal.

But she sure can talk jive to dem colored folk!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCK7pbhrb8o

It's interesting that Shmillary wears the pants in the family and has Slick Willy's permission to do so!

"Yeah, that's the ticket!" - Tommy Flanagan

Well, this certainly does ind

Well, this certainly does indicate that Obama is not even VP material in Clinton's eyes.  The way I read this, the Dems are shooting for a Clinton/Edwards ticket, where Clinton reaches out to the middle class and Edwards represents the poor and oppressed.  Yes, smug elitism at its finest.

You hear that Obama, you're not even in the race!!!!  You're a lower tier candidate that needs to exit for the sake of Hillary, I mean the Dem Party.  I'm having a case of schadenfreud here, on one hand I have to laugh at all the Blacks who deludely think the Dems are for them, then I sadly recognize that Blacks are still on the plantation taking their marching orders from the masters, the Dem Party elites.  I'd don't know whether to say sucker or pity the fools so blinded by the race hustlers using them for their votes election after election.

So Obama, when do you think the opposition research is going to kick in from Clinton digging up some dirty laundry from your past????  My guess is one or two weeks prior to Super Tuesday, just enough time for the damage to be done, but not enough time for you to clear your name...  Man, it sucks to be you having to look over your shoulder just waiting for that shoe to drop.  Shame, we don't play those games in the Repub Party, but they do get played on us (remember Florida), join the club Obama, nice having you in our company.

“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius

Has anyone told Edwards that

Has anyone told Edwards that he qualifies for the "lower tier" of candidates who stand no chance of being elected?

Edwards is going to place n

Edwards is going to place no higher than Veep in this race.

The ticket can't be either Hillary/Obama or Obama/Hillary as the great white "majority" will be left out.

No, the breck girl will be in there to pick up the male "cracker" slack.

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

Hillary has taken tips from t

Hillary has taken tips from the show Survivor, she it using the weak ones to cull out the stronger opposition.

“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius

Hillary has taken tips from t

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Birds of a feather flock toge

Birds of a feather flock together...and it this case it is a couple of phonies!