Ted Rall has created some truly offensive cartoons and articles during his career. However, this might be one of the most disgraceful statements made by a media representative since this war began (h/t Dan Gainor):

In one fell swoop, Rall has offended our military, their families, religion, patriotism, our educational system, our president, and our very way of life.
Any newspaper that carries this piece of detritus should be ashamed of itself.
Forgive me, but I need to wash my hands and keyboard of this filth.















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Yeah ... I'm real danger clos
July 14, 2007 - 09:03 ET by drillanwrYeah ... I'm real danger close to launching a multi warhead F - Bomb right now ... Danger close!
Stepping away from my computer ...
Burn in Hell, Ted Rall.
Re: I'm real danger close
July 14, 2007 - 21:08 ET by piniellaYou aren't close to having a clue about this immoral war.
Hey moron (aka piniella)
July 17, 2007 - 07:06 ET by SFCMACIf you removed your head from your "sixth piont of contact" you might get a clue.
I was a U.S. Soldier for 32 years and served in Desert Storm, Bosnia, and Operation Iraqi Freedom. My MOS was 96B40; an Intelligence Analyst specializing previously in Warsaw Pact, and subsequently Middle Eastern, battlefield doctrine, weapons, tactics, equipment, and geopolitical aspects. In other words, when I speak I know what I'm talking about.
We know how tough it is for you moonbats suffering from Bush Derangemant Syndrome and your weekly trips to the therapist. And we're well aware of the fact that you don't have the guts to stand up to Islamofascist tyrants who want to transform the whole planet into a Caliphate.
None of you would actually live under the system/s you advocate, you just troll on sites like this just to throw the usual turd in the punchbowl; the perfuntory spiel: "Bush lied" , "It's all about the oil"....blah blah blah.... ad nauseaum.
Just a few things for you to wrap your leftwing mind around:
Afghanistan is never mentioned in anti-war commentaries. For the life of me, I can’t figure that out. It’s probably because our success in pounding the Taliban and al Qaeda into the sand in Kandahar doesn’t make for good press.
And what about our invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan don’t you get? Where do you think we should fight back? Hell, they’re just two of the countries I would have leveled on 12 September 2001. We were attacked by Islamic thugs supported not only by Iraq and Afghanistan but throughout the Middle East and they are two good places to start retaliation. No matter where we struck back, al Qaeda would be there.
Had I been in office, I would have made William Tecumseh Sherman look like a Boy Scout. Four countries would have been carpet-bombed into asphalt parking lots: Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, and Syria. That is how you fight a war. But I was a Soldier, not a diplomat or a Lorain city commissioner.
Let me make this simple:
The invasion of Afghanistan was prompted by its use as the major operating base for al Qaeda.
The invasion of Iraq was instigated by 12 years of nose thumbing on the part of a WMD-wielding terrorist-supporting megalomaniac. U.N. Resolution 1441 gave Hussein an ultimatum and us the specific authority to force compliance, by any necessary means. That included military force. As I said, I was an Intelligence Analyst and cannot discuss classified material, but there are plenty of open source publications available for your perusal. In case you didn’t know, we found a substantial amount of hidden WMD along with documents and recordings in which Saddam Hussein emphatically stated his intention to continue WMD development and deception.
You must have been in a coma when these were discovered:
1) 1.77 metric tons of enriched uranium
In a joint Energy and Defense Department operation, 1.77 metric tons of low-enriched uranium and approximately 1000 highly radioactive sources were secured from Iraq's former nuclear research facility, packaged and then airlifted on June 23, the press statement said.
"This operation was a major achievement for the Bush Administration's goal to keep potentially dangerous nuclear materials out of the hands of terrorists," Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham said in the statement. "It also puts this material out of reach for countries that may seek to develop their own nuclear weapons." Source:[http://www.usembassy-dhaka.org/state/StatePD/pre1jul08_04.html]
2) 1,500 gallons of chemical weapons agents
U.S. troops raiding a warehouse in the northern city of Mosul uncovered a suspected chemical weapons factory containing 1,500 gallons of chemicals believed destined for attacks on U.S. and Iraqi forces and civilians, military officials said Saturday. Source: [http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/13/AR2005081300530.html]
3) 17 chemical warheads containing cyclosarin (a nerve agent five times more deadly than sarin gas) "Laboratory tests showed the presence in them of cyclosarin, a very toxic gas, five times stronger than sarin and five times more durable," Bieniek told Poland's TVN24 at the force's Camp Babylon headquarters. "If these warheads, which were still usable, were used on a military base like Camp Babylon, they would have caused unforeseeable damage." Source: [http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2004/07/02/international1018EDT0516.DTL
4) Over 1,000 radioactive materials in powdered form meant for dispersal over populated areas: "Along with 1.77 tons of enriched uranium, about 1,000 "highly radioactive sources" were also removed. The material was taken from a former nuclear research facility on 23 June, after being packaged by 20 experts from the US Energy Department's secret laboratories." Source: [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3872201.stm]
5) Roadside bombs loaded with mustard and "conventional" sarin gas, assembled in binary chemical projectiles for maximum potency Source: [http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,120137,00.html]
And this bombshell:
“Tapes Reveal Hussein’s plans”: An excerpt: “There also exists a quote from the dictator himself, who ordered the tapings to keep a record of his inner-sanctum discussions, that Mr. Tierney (Bill Tierney, a former Army warrant officer and Arabic speaker who was translating for the FBI tapes unearthed in Iraq after the invasion) thinks shows Saddam planned to use a proxy to attack the United States.” “Terrorism is coming ... with the Americans," Saddam said. "With the Americans, two years ago, not a long while ago, with the English I believe, there was a campaign ... with one of them, that in the future there would be terrorism with weapons of mass destruction." Source: http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20060313-123146-7380r.htm
Geez, and to think “Chemical Ali” slaughtered thousands of Kurds with “non-existent” WMDs.
President Bush has repeatedly stated that the war against Islamofascism will not be easy; it will not come without sacrifice. The problem is a great number of people like nice, neat, little sound bite wars. Well, wouldn’t we all? In reality, war is a brutal, often necessary endeavor.
No matter how badly some people salivate over the possibility of a “civil war” in Iraq, it ain’t happening. Most of the agitators are coming in from Syria and Iran, with the bulk of the violence taking place in specific areas around Baghdad. The rest of the 26 million Iraqis are too busy getting on with their lives to jump on the “civil war” bandwagon.
This is what the GWOT in Iraq and Afghanistan has accomplished:
Elimination of at least two of the ME terrorist operating bases and establishing influence and the spread of freedom right smack dab in the middle of an Islamofascist region. Iraq and Afghanistan are making great progress. For the first time in their existence, they have an opportunity to enjoy the freedoms we take for granted; they vote, run for office, run independent businesses, and speak through a free press. They are being prepared for the day when our mission is complete and theirs begins. They now have a representative Parliament and a military that is being trained to provide for the defense of an independent Iraq. You don’t hear about the good things, because, as the saying goes,” if it bleeds, it leads.”
By the way: one of the most important campaigns of this war is being waged as we speak. It’s called “Operation Arrowhead”. The United States Army and Iraqi troops are gaining significant ground and kicking al Qaeda’s ass in places like Baqubah. I guess in your view, that’s not as important as voting to cut off our funding and sniveling about all the reasons you think we shouldn’t have picked one of the terrorist/WMD havens as a target for retaliation.
Another ploy by critics is to assign the “Vietnam” mantra to every war it disagrees with. No matter how badly they want it to be another “Vietnam” it isn’t happening, and their historical amnesia kicks in every time this war is debated.
Here’s an easy scenario:
In spite of ominous indicators and turmoil that was contained on someone else’s turf, we remained complacent.
An enemy sends planes to bomb and crash into U.S. territory. The attack kills roughly 3000 Americans.
War is declared and retaliation begins against the perpetrators and their allies.
Sound familiar?
It happened 7 December 1941.
There’s your comparison.
It took almost 300,000 dead and over 600,000 wounded American troops to win a four year war in Europe, the Pacific, Africa, and parts of Asia. Can you imagine a U.S. politician, journalist, or teacher declaring that “it was unwinnable”, and voting for a fund cut-off?
You didn’t expect the bad guys to be very happy at the fact that we brought the war they started, back to them, did you? Of course they’re going to be pissed. Of course they’re going to fight back, not just with weapons but through media exploitation. 9/11 was the Pearl Harbor of the 21st Century and all the critics are capable of is spouting nonsense and being al Qaeda apologists.
In case you still don’t get it, they want to kill us. They made that pretty clear on 11 September 2001.
If you don’t understand that, maybe they didn’t hit close enough to your own back yard.
Okay, sweetpea, you can go back to playing with Rosie Palm and her five sisters....
SFCMAC - Thank you!
July 17, 2007 - 07:22 ET by Free StinkerVery nice!
You had a few links in there that I somehow missed on my Iraqi WMD & Terror List (v.4.1) Got to update that thing again . . . :-\
_______
Fred Thompson and Ann Coulter walk into a bar. The bar is instantly destroyed because that much awesome cannot be contained in one build
You're welcome!
July 17, 2007 - 11:51 ET by SFCMACBTW: The reference to "Lorain city commissioner" refers to our local council in Lorain, Ohio who did one of those "resolutions to end the war" crap. I e-mailed them as well. So far, not a peep out of them.
Outanding post, SFCMAC
July 17, 2007 - 12:04 ET by Dave RI'm guessing pinheadia here now has the ability to defecate sideways.
Nice going.
Help Fred defeat the RINOs, along with the Hitllary-Obama Axis, & win the White House in '08.
I agree...outstanding post and very informative
July 17, 2007 - 12:27 ET by LionKingThanks for all the additional links. I had heard of some this, but most was new.
btw, did troll piniella ever say why the Iraq War is immoral?
pintrolla
July 14, 2007 - 21:41 ET by botgpintrolla
pinheadia.Help Fred defeat
July 14, 2007 - 23:20 ET by Dave Rpinheadia.
Help Fred defeat the RINOs, along with the Hitllary-Obama Axis, & win the White House in '08.
Page not found--rather shy, e
July 15, 2007 - 08:59 ET by Andrew H.Page not found--rather shy, eh? Two words for you.
Liberalism is a convenient lie.
Publishing Rall's garbage is
July 15, 2007 - 08:38 ET by Andrew H.Publishing Rall's garbage is just another example of the elitist media who do not have a clue. These people know the enemy--their enemy is anyone who actually believe in freedom. It is too old fashioned for their tastes. Some day there is going to be an explosion and the leftists will lose.
Liberalism is a convenient lie.
notice the lack of Christian
July 16, 2007 - 13:19 ET by TruthMongernotice the lack of Christian / military riots
I hereby proclaim Ted and his fellow moonbats officially irrelevant:)...
Gay haters unite!
It's a sure bet, attack whi
July 14, 2007 - 09:04 ET by DontFeedTheTrollsIt's a sure bet, attack white male Christian soldiers to get your trashy cartoons printed in the MSM.
Of course, everyone knows it's only minorities who are really in the military, but you can't show them in a bad light.
D
I don't support our liberals or their mission.
Liberals love to say that t
July 14, 2007 - 12:49 ET by motherbeltLiberals love to say that the military is made up disproportionately of minorities, because of poverty, poor education, and lack of jobs (three things which are actually depicted in this cartoon). It's one thing to SAY that, but even Ted Rall is not stupid enough to actually juxtapose a picture of a black soldier next to those words.
In truth, members of the mi
July 15, 2007 - 16:18 ET by marvlIn truth, members of the military are generally better educated than the average civilian. Certainly the average grunt is sharper and has many more useful skills than Ted Rall. And it goes up and down the chain of command. I suppose he's not aware that Gen Petraeus, for instance, is a West Point graduate and holds a PhD from Princeton.
I really get tired of liberal stereotypes, falsehoods, misconceptions, general ignorance and stupidity, and their downright mean-spiritedness.
If you look at the statisti
July 14, 2007 - 16:27 ET by BlackwaterIf you look at the statistics. The United States Armed Forces is over 70% white if I remember correctly, though I believe it's higher then that.
If "nappy-headed hoes&
July 14, 2007 - 09:04 ET by Tom1969caIf "nappy-headed hoes" was enough to get Imus fired...
~~~
"We can stand here like the French, or we can do something about it."-- Marge Simpson
This guy should be fired on t
July 14, 2007 - 09:05 ET by msh1973This guy should be fired on the spot, but he won't, he will be seen as a brave journalist who has the courage to tell it like it is. It makes me sick to my stomach!
He has really offended my family as my nephew is serving and he is a kind, wonderful young man who loves his Country. He is willing to sacrifice his life for all of us including this moron who wrote this cartoon. It is a sad day in America.
Re: your nephew
July 14, 2007 - 21:10 ET by piniellaIf your nephew is in Iraq, he's not sacrificing anything for America.
pintrolla
July 14, 2007 - 21:42 ET by botgpintrolla
shitheadia Help Fred defea
July 14, 2007 - 23:33 ET by Dave Rshitheadia
Help Fred defeat the RINOs, along with the Hitllary-Obama Axis, & win the White House in '08.
you are scum....... Last time
July 15, 2007 - 10:33 ET by texasadamsyou are scum....... Last time I checked I was in the US Army (United States of America) so I do belive I am sacrificing something for America, YOU TELL THAT TO MY 2 KIDS AND MY WIFE. I have been in Iraq since Sept 06.......
Texthank-you for your sacrifi
July 15, 2007 - 10:41 ET by botgTex
thank-you for your sacrifice, (you need not address that troll again it is gone)
"The more I study science, the more I believe in God." Einstein
Tex
July 15, 2007 - 12:12 ET by Noel SheppardTex,
This animal has been banned. As such, you needn't concern yourself with his disgraceful views.
Furthermore, it has been established that his goal was to infuriate members here. Let's not allow him a victory by paying him any more mind.
Thank you for your service. A grateful nation salutes you. ns
Thank you for your service an
July 15, 2007 - 12:48 ET by dahliatraversThank you for your service and for stopping the horrible things Saddam Hussein was doing to his own people.
Great for someone who hides b
July 14, 2007 - 09:10 ET by danboGreat for someone who hides behind the people he insults.
Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of truth and knowledge will be shipwrecked by the laughter of the Gods. Albert Einstein
As someone in this forum site
July 14, 2007 - 09:16 ET by drillanwrAs someone in this forum site has suggested in the recent past ... Let this idiot put on the uniform and join those who fight, and die, to protect his right to create such trash.
I normally find it uncalled f
July 14, 2007 - 09:14 ET by drillanwrI normally find it uncalled for ... However, I'll make an exception this time:
May he receive so much hate mail and death threats that he pisses the bed at night.
Yeah, Rall should kiss the muddy, blood stained boots of our military ... If Rall were a Muslim depicting Islamo Fascists this way his head would be swinging from some hooded basturd's hand right now.
Forgive me, but I need to was
July 14, 2007 - 09:17 ET by Jack BauerExactly. But can you imagine doing that then realizing, you're still Ted Rall.
You all may have guessed that
July 14, 2007 - 09:30 ET by drillanwrYou all may have guessed that I am somewhat a movie buff, as I find fiction reflected in reality at times.
The thing that comes to my mind right this moment is a line from the movie ALIENS (the second Alien movie).
The heroine Ripley says to the corporate company hack after he tried to sabotage Ripley and the Marines she was allied with against the alien beasts:
"You know Burke, I don't know which species is worse. You don't see them f*cking each other over for a g*ddamn percentage! ..."
Yeah, fits perfectly with Ted Rall.
Come to think of it, it fits for the dems and RINOs in Congress, and the LMSM in this country.
May I suggest...
July 14, 2007 - 09:35 ET by c5thenThat Ted Rall be embedded with a Marine company...
The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic
Re: embedding
July 14, 2007 - 21:12 ET by piniellaLike the one at Haditha or the one that was pulled from Afghanistan for going on a shooting spree?
pintrolla
July 14, 2007 - 21:43 ET by botgpintrolla
I was unaware that we had a
July 14, 2007 - 21:49 ET by mr druidI was unaware that we had any talentless cartoonist embedded with our armed forces.
Have the liberals thought w
July 14, 2007 - 09:35 ET by LighthouseJHave the liberals thought which has been more empowering to the enemy:
1. The steeley resolve to stand in the front lines and repel the "invaders"
2. To convince the enemy the cost (money, life, reputation, etc...) of waging war is too high
Week after week I read on here at how the liberal and leftist media and flock of sheep around the US is all too eager to help out the latter in the name of advancing their relatively insignificant political agendas.
The media doesn't mention the fact the President has a better approval rating than the Congress, who a lot will argue was swept into office by the People for the only purpose of getting results, not body counts. Yet, leftists people stand by the do-nothing democrats. Only in America will you get people holding onto their political party so tenaciously that they refuse to accept their party isn't budging.
And to think, Mr. Rall--you c
July 14, 2007 - 09:37 ET by Mike BrattonAnd to think, Mr. Rall--you can enjoy the freedom to make money mocking those who give their lives protecting your freedom.
Hey, in your next cartoon, you can draw those of us who are Christians taking to the streets in protest of your cartoons, beheading any cartoonists we can get our hands on, pronouncing death threats against you...
Oh, that's right. Your attempt to equate the truth of Christianity with the cult of Islam was as weak as everything else in your little doodle.
We'll be praying for you, Mr. Rall, despite your hatred of us.
--Mike
www.thebrattonreport.com
Re: truth
July 14, 2007 - 22:14 ET by piniella"the truth of Christianity"
There are two incompatible Creation stories in Genesis. In one, Man is created before other creatures, in the other he is created last.
Which one is the truth?Do you really care or are you
July 14, 2007 - 22:17 ET by BlondeDo you really care or are you just continuing with your serial trolling here?
check Genesis pintrolla your
July 14, 2007 - 22:18 ET by botgcheck Genesis pintrolla your assertion is patently false
"The more I study science, the more I believe in God." Einstein
But he's a liberal, and che
July 14, 2007 - 22:23 ET by mr druidBut he's a liberal, and checking the book would require reading skills. You are most unfair to force him to prove his claims.
Think of his self-esteem. Have mercy.
Do it for the children.
Re: patently false
July 14, 2007 - 22:25 ET by piniellaBut in the second version, Man is created before the other life forms:
reGen 2"And" is not
July 14, 2007 - 22:44 ET by botgreGen 2
"And" is not a word depicting chronology.
try again
BOTG graduated from high school in 1973 and BOTG was born and raised in RI.
"The more I study science, the more I believe in God." Einstein
Relevance
July 14, 2007 - 23:21 ET by piniellaUnless otherwise noted, the order of mention gives the chronology.
steve jyou are as stupid as y
July 14, 2007 - 23:24 ET by botgsteve j
you are as stupid as you sound, like you make up the rules yeah right
so by your logic i graduated before i was born idiot
"The more I study science, the more I believe in God." Einstein
}}----> Bonnie and Clyde
July 14, 2007 - 23:26 ET by Cool ArrowSo Bonnie recruited Clyde into robbing banks?
pinella 'page not found'
July 14, 2007 - 23:32 ET by botgpinella 'page not found'
thank you editor in the web
I'm not usually a fan of re
July 15, 2007 - 00:27 ET by mulerider24I'm not usually a fan of revoking privelages in any site, but pinhead's "one and done" strategy was painfully amateur - even for a troll. Not that NB needs my confirmation, but he was given ample opportunity to bring more to the table and failed miserably. At least now he'll have more time to accuse us of censorship over on DailyCouscous.
Mulepinhead was banned after
July 15, 2007 - 00:30 ET by botgMule
pinhead was banned after i linked to his blog posting which showed he was in violation of the terms of service, since he admitted there that he was intentionally trolling here.
the link goes to his latest lie
scroll down to the cartoon to see his trolling admission
Good afternoon, botg. So th
July 15, 2007 - 12:09 ET by dahliatraversGood afternoon, botg. So the chucklehead was banned because he was trolling rather than discussing?
Hi DahliaI don't know the rea
July 15, 2007 - 12:14 ET by botgHi Dahlia
I don't know the reason for certain you'd have to ask NB, he did say some crap in the face of some patriots who were posting from Iraq. But it did happen soon after i posted his link to the other site.
"The more I study science, the more I believe in God." Einstein
Dahlia
July 15, 2007 - 12:18 ET by Noel SheppardD,
I'm not 100 percent sure of the final reason. However, I think that once it was exposed at HIS website that he was coming here to infuriate NBers, that was a pretty strong signal that discussion wasn't the point for this miscreant. ns
NoelPerhaps he succeeded in o
July 15, 2007 - 12:23 ET by botgNoel
Perhaps he succeeded in one thing, his comments seem to be increasing over at his site.
B
July 15, 2007 - 12:43 ET by Noel SheppardB,
I wouldn't know. The last time I visited that site was last evening, and I have no interest in giving him one more read.
This is a liberal antagonist who came here looking to stir up trouble. Yet, I would wager this cretin complains about the caustic political tone in the nation while ignoring how much a part of it he is. ns
sorry double
July 15, 2007 - 12:50 ET by botgsorry double
Excellent point.
July 15, 2007 - 12:51 ET by dahliatraversExcellent point.
Noelyou are correct of course
July 15, 2007 - 12:51 ET by botgNoel
you are correct of course, his stuff is not worth reading, in fact there are only two posts there that have any comments and those comments are not shall we say agreeable to his positions. All the rest of his posts: 0 comments.
Thank-you for any help in having him removed
B
July 15, 2007 - 12:55 ET by Noel SheppardB,
Actually, I didn't do anything. After I received your PM, as I was researching his comments, and visiting his website, I went to peruse his account information, and found it had been deleted.
To date, I haven't banned anybody. I've made suggestions, and blocked one poster who was spamming pornographic websites. However, up to now, I have left the final decision to folks more high up. ns
N
July 15, 2007 - 13:00 ET by botgN
I figured that much from your previous posts, i PMd you because i thought you could contact someone with that ability. I thought of a PM to Matt but would he get it? I saw that you were on the board so i contacted you.
Is there always a moniter on the site and if so how can they be alerted?
"The more I study science, the more I believe in God." Einstein
there are only two posts ther
July 15, 2007 - 12:57 ET by dahliatraversthere are only two posts there that have any comments
Oh dear. How are we going to dialogue that way??
dahlia,That doesn't surprise
July 15, 2007 - 13:08 ET by BEGRUNTdahlia,
That doesn't surprise me. The only reason he came here was to cause trouble, and entice us to look at his stupid website, which no one visits. He is probably a greasy looking looser that spends his time in mommy's basement banging away on his keyboard, amongst other things. That is why I've said before, I dont bother with these idiots anymore. No matter how many facts you shove in their face, they still scream your not answering their question. Useless, absolutely useless
Too often, that is too true,
July 15, 2007 - 13:33 ET by dahliatraversToo often, that is too true, Begrunt.
entice us to look at his stup
July 15, 2007 - 13:36 ET by dahliatraversentice us to look at his stupid website
Yes, interesting that he apparently looked to NewsBusters to increase the traffic to his blog.
Mule,Actually, I would like
July 15, 2007 - 00:53 ET by Dave RMule,
Actually, I would like to think his plug being pulled was due to his personal insult to Bobby, who is currently serving our country over in Iraq.
As a libertarian, I do not like to see anyone silenced, regardless of their POV, and that includes the person that is the subject of Noel's article. However, when it comes to insulting, to their face, an American soldier that is currently in harms way, then I feel that NB was entirely justified by banning the individual in question.
Besides, whoever did pull this idiot's plug probably prevented me from being banned myself, as I was about to unload what we refer to around here as the "whole can of whoop ass" on the b*stard. And then some.
Trust me, you haven't seen the "F" word used in any manner even approaching the interesting ways that I was about to employ it.
Help Fred defeat the RINOs, along with the Hitllary-Obama Axis, & win the White House in '08.
Dave,Glad to see you weren'
July 15, 2007 - 21:27 ET by mulerider24Dave,
Glad to see you weren't forced into that hand. I doubt his exile was due to any one comment, rather his entire body of work, if you will. Just as Rosie played the antagonist-to-victim card, as will our dearly departed pinhead.
For the record, I think the NB Board of Directors does a good job of encouraging dissenting dialogue and allows the limits to be pushed further than most sites. Lord knows how quickly the discussions will grow stale in here if it's nothing but a bunch of Conservatives and Libertarians gathered around the campfire.
speakin of stale
July 15, 2007 - 21:34 ET by botgwill grow stale in here if it's nothing but a bunch of Conservatives and Libertarians gathered around the campfire.
How about some more beans Mr Taggert?
No thanks Slim, I believe I
July 15, 2007 - 21:47 ET by mulerider24No thanks Slim, I believe I've had enough.
Piniella is long gone, but I'
July 15, 2007 - 10:52 ET by PeskyDanePiniella is long gone, but I'll still comment. Only someone who truly hates The Almighty could take different mentions of events and somehow come up with a "contradiction." Really had to twist himself into a pretzel to come up with that one.
Biblical scholar Pamela Tam
July 14, 2007 - 23:03 ET by Tom1969caBiblical scholar Pamela Tamarkin Reis proposes that Genesis 1 and 2 can be seen as either one painting with two panels or as two separate paintings. Both are appropriate. She draws the parallel with the ancient story-telling technique that Kurosawa employed in the movie Rashomon. In that movie, the same series of events are told through the eyes of four different people, and of course realistically there are contradictions in the different narratives. And you could make sense out of that movie either as four different stories or as four people having four different realistic narratives of the same story.
Accordingly, Ms. Reis analyzes Genesis 1 as God's narrative and Genesis 2 as man's narrative. In Genesis 1, the style of narration is very orderly and logical, proceeding from basics like heaven and earth, through plants and animals to man and woman. And everything is "good" or "very good." Ms. Reis suggests that the story-teller has a bit of whimsy in noting how perfect everything is from God's view.
In contrast, in Genesis 2, man tells the story from his own self-centeredness. Man is created first, of course. And there are a few flaws. Man is alone, without a woman. Whereas, in Genesis 1, the phrase is "heaven and earth" repeated several times, in Genesis 2, God makes "earth and heaven." And another thing, in Genesis 2, there is that troubling notice that "there was no one to till the ground." That sounds like a lot of work, an unending task--very unlike the completeness of Genesis 1.
Even the words used in Genesis 1 suggest serenity, the godly plane of existence. For example, in Genesis 1, the word for God is Elohim, the generic and distant God, while God's name in Genesis 2 is the personal and very sacred YHWH Elohim, the Lord of God.
From all of these clues, Ms. Reis suggests that Genesis 1 and 2 make sense either way, just as for Kurosawa's Rashomon. They make sense as two different stories. Or they make sense as two narratives of the same story from different personal perspectives: that of God and that of man.
~~~
"We can stand here like the French, or we can do something about it."-- Marge Simpson
who wrote what
July 14, 2007 - 23:24 ET by piniellaMs. Tamarkin is on to something but her knowledge is lacking.
The Bible with Sources Revealed
By Richard Elliot Friedman
HarperSanFrancisco, 2003
There are 10 source texts for the Torah: J, E, P, RJE, R, DTN, DTR1, DTR2, Genesis 14, Other Independent Texts.
J
was composed during the period (922-722 BC) when the Promised Land was
divided into two kingdoms, Israel in the north and Judah in the south.
J was written by someone in Judah.
E was written about the same time but was written by a priest living in Israel.
In
722 BC, the Assyrians destroyed the north kingdom, thus there was no
longer a separation between the two Kingdoms. An editor/historian
combined J & E into a text known as Redactor of J and E, or RJE for
short.
P was also written by a priest as an alternative to J
& E, not long after J & E were composed, probably during the
time of Hezekiah, 715-687 BC.
The D sources make up most of
Deuteronomy. The law code part, chapters 12-26, are known as DTN. DTR
contains the sources For chapters 1-11, 27-30, 32-33, reports of the
last acts Of Moses and part of other books (Joshua, Judges, 1 & 2
Samuel and 1 & 2 Kings). DTR contains sources that are as old as J
& E but was composed during the reign of Josiah, around 622 BC.
This version is known as DTR1. A later version, written after the
destruction of the southern kingdom in 587 BC, is slightly longer and
is known as DTR2.
All of the above sources were put together to form the first five books by an editor known as the Redactor or R for short.
You have copies of these?&quo
July 14, 2007 - 23:28 ET by botgYou have copies of these?
"The more I study science, the more I believe in God." Einstein
Of course, only someone who n
July 14, 2007 - 23:20 ET by Mr. KafirOf course, only someone who never studied the Hebrew Scriptures could make an ignorant statement like that. The second passage DOES NOT describe a new creation. It merely elaborates upon the making of creatures mentioned in 1:25. For example, what they would be called. Further reference.
Where have you been? It's a
July 15, 2007 - 23:44 ET by kathleenirishWhere have you been? It's about time, Superman! KICK SOME ASS!
Anyone who says they support the troops but not the mission is a liar.
}}----> Kafir
July 15, 2007 - 23:52 ET by Cool ArrowIsn't Kafir Arabic for infidel?
Yes. He uses the name as a
July 15, 2007 - 23:55 ET by kathleenirishYes. He uses the name as a badge of honor, I think. He is a faithful Jew. And one heck of a poster!
Anyone who says they support the troops but not the mission is a liar.
Hmmm... me thinks piniella is
July 16, 2007 - 10:50 ET by Challenger GrimHmmm... me thinks piniella is too limiting in his translations because the NIV says:
(Genesis 2:19) Now the LORD God had formed out of the ground all the beasts of the field and all the birds of the air. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name.
The implication being that creatures were made - THEN man. Why don't you recite the original hebrew with translations and notes and then you MIGHT have a point.
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I shoot a (useless, factless)
July 14, 2007 - 22:43 ET by Scout FinchI shoot a (useless, factless) arrow into the air, where it lands I know not where--Piniella
Scout,Yep....seems the M.O. o
July 14, 2007 - 22:45 ET by BlondeScout,
Yep....seems the M.O. of this turdling little troll is ready, fire, aim!
If Ted Rall would ever come f
July 14, 2007 - 09:46 ET by JohnBIf Ted Rall would ever come face-to-face with a soldier, he would piss his pants and crumple into the fetal position, crying like a little baby.
Teddy is just a typical lib
July 14, 2007 - 09:48 ET by charlietexasTeddy is just a typical liberal.....hates God, America, the Military, the Boy Scouts. I'm not surprised.......I guess his mommy didn't give him enough attention...wwwwaaaahhhhhhhhh
Maybe his daddy knew he was a weenie when he was a boy.
Poor Teeeedddy
you forgot one: hates himself
July 16, 2007 - 00:06 ET by kathleenirishyou forgot one: hates himself
Anyone who says they support the troops but not the mission is a liar.
PROFILE OF SEWER CARTOONIST
July 14, 2007 - 10:30 ET by Jack BauerPROFILE OF SEWER CARTOONIST
^^^You, sir, win the thread!~
July 14, 2007 - 11:57 ET by Tom1969ca^^^
You, sir, win the thread!
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