Senate Democrats Block Amendment to Prevent Reinstatement of Fairness Doctrine

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By Noel Sheppard | July 13, 2007 - 14:45 ET

If you had any question concerning how much the left wants the reinstatement of the Fairness Doctrine in order to kill conservative talk radio, you got your answer on the floor of the Senate Friday.

Sen. Norm Coleman (R-Minnesota) offered an amendment to the Defense Authorization bill that would prohibit the Federal Communications Commission from reinstituting this archaic edict.

As NewsBusters reported on June 30, such an amendment overwhelmingly passed in the House a few weeks ago by the tally of 309 to 115.

Unfortunately, Senate Democrats didn’t even want to debate this issue, and, instead, lead by Majority Whip Dick Durbin (D-Illinois), objected.

For those interested, an unofficial transcript of Coleman and Durbin’s exchange – which marvelously depicts the differences in how liberals and conservatives view the Fairness Doctrine – follows (video available here):

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Presiding Officer: The Senator From Minnesota. 

Mr. Coleman: Mr. President I ask the pending amendment be set aside so I can offer an amendment.

Presiding Officer: Is there objection? The objection is heard.

Mr. Coleman: Mr. President, I am disappointed that an objection has been raised. I intended to offer amendment 2189. It's at the desk, the Coleman-DeMint-Thune-Inhofe amendment prohibiting the F.C.C. From reinstating The Fairness Doctrine. Let me just tell a little bit of what we intend to do. I'm not asking if a vote here. I'm not asking for any kind of limitations in time. I just want an amendment to be put in the queue an amendment, an issue which the house dealt with and in the house this bill passed with over 300 votes in favor and 113 votes by the democrats, 309-115 and it would say that the F.C.C. Would not be able to reinstate the fairness doctrine. It says, and I'll read "The commission shall not have the authority to prescribe any rule, regulation, policy, doctrine or other requirement that has the purpose or effect of reinstating or promulgating in whole or in part the requirement that broadcasters, including the arms forces network present opposing viewpoints and controversial issues of public importance commonly referred to as the fairness doctrine."

First, Mr. President, there is nothing "fair" about the Fairness Doctrine. Some of my colleagues on the other side of the aisle have said it is time to reinstate the fairness doctrine. We have troops putting their lives on the line and part of what we protect in this country is the first amendment, freedom of speech. The fairness amendment is a relic of a bygone past and tossed on the around heap of history in 1947, it was it place from 1949 to 1987. In effect the federal government monitors what is said on the other side of the aisle have said it is time to reinstate the fairness doctrine. We have troops putting their lives on the line and part of what we protect in this country is the first amendment, freedom of speech. The Fairness Amendment is a relic of a bygone past and tossed on the around heap of history in 1947, it was it place from 1949 to 1987. In effect the federal government monitors what is said on the airways and then they must present balance.

The effect was much different than that. Much different than that. In fact, it stifled speech. You're a broadcaster, you owned a station and you're subject to fine, some kind of penalty if you don't provide the kind of balance that the government says you must provide, then you run the risk of some kind of penalty. You may well choose -- and, in fact history showed what happened -- you may well choose simply to play country music. And I love country music. But I also love free speech. And we don't want to put in place anything that stifles free speech. We've moved from 1949, when you had a few TV stations and -- and the information that you got came from a relatively few sources -- to a world today in which we have broadband and high-speed internet and satellites and blogs and a whole range of information. And that's a good thing. That's a good thing. In the end, we in this body have to respond, have to listen to the voices of the people and we want an informed and educated citizenship. And we want them to get diverse views. And the reality, Mr. President, in part why this issue even comes up because of concerns from my friends on the other side of the aisle that talk radio show is dominated by conservatives. One may argue that perhaps broadcast journalism may be dominated by liberals.  There have been studies that have shown that. But for us, we shouldn't care in terms of whether it's dominated and at the response of the government coming in and try to somehow measure or regulate.

Mr. Durbin: Would the senator yield for a question?

Mr. Coleman: I will yield.

Mr. Durbin: I would ask the senator if he believes in the interest of an educated electorate, whether he thinks Americans could hear both sides of the story, a kind of fair and balanced approach when it comes to information?

Mr. Coleman: Mr. President, I absolutely believe that Americans should hear both sides. Absolutely. But I believe -- strongly should not be in the position of believe -- that the government deciding and dictating -- now here is the other side. There is -- we have in the -- in the world of communications today, Americans have all sorts of options to hear the other side. All they got to do is turn a dial. All they've got to do is push a button. All they've got to do is press a mouse. And they have that ability.

Mr. Durbin: Would the senator yield for a further question?

Mr. Coleman: Mr. President, I yield to a question.

Mr. Durbin: Does the senator concede that the airwaves belong to the American people?

Mr. Coleman: Mr. President, I concede the airwaves belong to the American people.

Mr. Durbin: Would the senator yield for a further question?

Mr. Coleman: Mr. President, I yield for a further question.

Mr. Durbin: Would the Senator concede that those who use the people's airwaves to make a profit have to do it with a license from our government?

Mr. Coleman: Mr. President, I -- I understand and agree that we have a licensing process.

Mr. Durbin: Would the Senator yield for a further question?

Mr. Coleman: Mr. President, I will yield and I would yield for the senator from Illinois to present the entire question so that I can continue with -- with maintaining the floor and discussing amendment.

Mr. Durbin:  And I'm not trying to delay the Senator from Minnesota. I concede that since the fairness doctrine has been set aside under the regular reagan administration, things have changed in broadcast journal in many other aspects of journalism. I just want to make sure -- I haven't seen the senator's amendment. I sense i know what it might be leading to. But I want to make sure that the premise is something that we may agree on. The airwaves belong to the American people. Those who profit from them do by permission of the people through their government. And that those who use those airwaves should do it responsibly and should seek to provide both points of view, both sides of the story so that Americans can reach a decision. I'd ask the Senator from Minnesota if he disagrees with any of those things.

Mr. Coleman: Here's what I -- Mr. President, I would say to my -- to my learned colleague from Illinois, here's our point of disagreement. There is no question, in fact, that there's a licensing process process. I was a former mayor. We licensed a lot of things. But I think one of the basic principles at stake is that we don't license and measure content when it comes to speech. And that's my concern. That, in fact, because of the multiplicity of -- of communications options that are available to citizens today -- as I said before, blogs and internet and broad broadband and satellite which we didn't have -- didn't have 20, 30 years ago. Where my objection lies and the importance of this amendment is to say government shouldn't be monitoring and regulating content. We're not talking about obscenity. There are things that the senator from Illinois that government has an absolute right to -- to monitor or to deal with. But we're not talking about -- when we get to content, and that's my concern, that those who have raised the issue "bring back the fairness doctrine," are bringing it back. And the cry then is to regulate content and that's what i object to.

Mr. Durbin: If I could ask the senator to yield further to a question. There was a recent episode within the last two years where the public broadcasting corporation took a show off the air by Bill Moyers and wanted to replace it with a show offered by The Wall Street Journal." And there were complaints obviously that Mr. Moyers was too liberal in content. Does the senator from Minnesota believe that that was a fair outcome or would he concede it would be a fairer outcome to allow the American people to watch both shows by The Wall Street Journal and Bill Moyers and to hear both points of view and decide what they agreed with?

Mr. Coleman: Mr. President, two observations. First, I'm thrilled that I'm having this discussion with the senator from Illinois. And -- and my concern is, I just offered an amendment which was objected to. I believe had the amendment not been objected to, we would have time for a full debate on this amendment. And the Senator from Illinois, I know the Senator from South Dakota has a great interest in this issue. I presume that my colleagues on the other side of the aisle, the Senator from Massachusetts, Junior Senator from Massachusetts, has raised concerns about the fairness -- that we should reinstate the fairness doctrine, has said that publicly. I would love to have this debate debate. And yet I stand here offering an amendment, it's objected to which will limit the debate and so we're having this -- this colloquy. And I appreciate that and will respond.

But I'm disappointed that the other side of the aisle will not give us an opportunity for a full debate on this issue. In fact, I think -- I want all sides to be heard. What I don't want and where the fundamental disagreement is for the regulatory power of government to sit in judgment as big brother, to oversee and take stock with pencil and pad and take notes, well, we had Sean Hannity over here and now we've got to get somebody on the left over there. Balance should be heard but we have a marketplace that provides that opportunity. We have folks who support the Senator from Illinois's perspective. We have folks who support my perspective. Sometimes we're the same. But for government to dictate, that's the concern. That's why the -- that's why the F.C.C. Got rid of the Fairness Doctrine in 1987. It's why the Supreme Court has raised questions about the necessity of the fairness doctrine. I don't think it's constitutional. We haven't got to that question.

Mr. Durbin: Would the senator yield for a question?

Mr. Coleman: I would yield to one further question.

Mr. Durbin: I'm sorry to interrupt you but I really wish that through the commerce committee or the appropriate committee of jurisdiction, we can really get into this question. But the senator is arguing that the marketplace can provide. What is the senator's response if the marketplace fails to provide? What is the marketplace does not provide opportunities to hear both points of view? Since the people who are seeking the licenses are using America's airwaves, does the government, speaking for the people of this country, have any interest at that point to step in and make sure there is a despair balanced approach to the -- a fair and balanced approach to the information given to the American people?

Mr. Coleman: Mr. President, I'll respond to the final question here. Very clear disagreement here. The government does not -- does not -- have the responsibility.

Mr. Durbin: If I could ask the Senator to yield further to a question. There was a recent episode within the last two years where the public broadcasting corporation took a show off the air by Bill Moyers and wanted to replace it with a show offered by the The Wall Street Journal. And there were complaints obviously that Mr. Moyers was too liberal in content. Does the Senator from Minnesota believe that that was a fair outcome or would he concede it would be a fairer outcome to allow the American people to watch both shows by The Wall Street Journal and Bill Moyers and to hear both points of view and decide what they agreed with?

Mr. Coleman: Mr. President, I'll respond to the final question here. Very clear disagreement here. The government does not -- does not -- have the responsibility to regulate content of speech. That's what the first amendment is about. It's exactly what the first amendment is about. Government's not supposed to be regulating content. And in a time in 1949 when you had three network tv stations, basically, when had you limited channels of communication, I presume there was a legitimate concern on the part of some that, in fact, government needs to step in and ensure balance.

But now we're in 2007. We're at a time where we've got 20,000, you know, opportunities for stations and satellite, where you have cable, you have blogs, you have a whole range of information. I think it would be -- I -- I can't even conceive -- I can't even conceive that the market could not provide opportunities for differing positions because it does. And in the end -- in the end, consumers also have a right based on the market to make choices. And so if they make choices that say we want to hear more of one side than the other, that's okay and I think it's very dangerous, okay. I say to my -- my friend from Illinois, I think it's very dangerous for government to be in the position of deciding what's fair and balanced.

Because as we see on the floor of the senate, oftentimes amongst ourselves, learned -- hopefully learned individuals who've the great humble opportunity to serve in the U.S. Senate, we have differences as to what is fair and balanced. And so the reason I think we have a first amendment is that we get government out of -- out of the -- the measuring, controlling, dictating, regulating content and that's my concern. And that's what this amendment is about. And I would love to have the debate with the Senator from Illinois.  I would have hoped that this amendment would simply have been put in the queue, would have been heard. I think Americans love a fair fight. I think Americans love this kind of dialogue.

There's nothing fair about the fairness doctrine. There's nothing fair -- if the intent here really -- and I think we've got to lay it on the table -- the intent of this is to kind of shut down or to limit the -- the, you know, conservative talk radio. That's where the concern is. And yet, as I said before, one can raise questions about balance in the print media, one can raise questions about balance in the broadcast media. But I don't think it's the role of government to be sitting there listening and then weighing, deciding what's fair and balanced and then requiring under personality a broadcaster to say you have -- penalty a broadcaster to say you have to present this opposing point of view. Because what's going to happen,

Mr. President -- and history has shown this -- broadcasters are simply going to say let's do something else why be in that position that there's a line that maybe crossed and I don't know what that line is? That line may change depend on who's sitting there as an F.C.C. Chair. And again, as I said before, beyond the market principle -- excuse me, first amendment principles, there are market principles. Talk radio has flourished because the market, the consumer says I want to listen. And they have then been given choices. They can simply turn off the dial, turn - turn off the dial, turn the -- shut off the radio. It has flourished. And that's because of demand, not because of the government. Not because of government command, not because of government control.

We don't want the government regulating content. Like never before, Americans have a wealth of information, a viewpoint thanks to cable, television, radio and internet. And that's a good thing. And let it flourish. John Kennedy stated, "we are not afraid to entrust the American people with unpleasant facts, foreign ideas, alien philosophies and competitive values. For a nation that is afraid to let's.  Its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people."

Mr. President, I'm not afraid of -- of the people. I'm not afraid of the people having access to the in information, ideas that they want to have access to. But I am afraid of the government stepping in and regulating content. We have a first amendment. That's the underpinning, the foundation of all the other amendments. The fairness doctrine flies in the face of that. It was rejected. It was rejected in 1987. The idea of bringing it back today is a very, very bad idea. This amendment specifically includes the armed forces network. Our folks are out there on the front line fighting. They should be able to tune into whatever they want to tune into and they shouldn't be thinking that back home someone at the F.C.C. is listening and monitoring and deciding what is fair and what is balanced. Let the people decide. Let the market decide. Let the first amendment flourish.

Mr. President, with that, I yield the floor.

—Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters.

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Why is this a surprise to any

Why is this a surprise to anyone? Why would the lefties put in a barrier to their new "concensus" philosophy? Why would they allow themselves to be refuted that "the debate is over" on any issue? These catch phrases aren't just about Globull Alarming. They're about every single issue the libs bring up. If an opinion refutes their own, it's not valid. Look at the continually biased reporting, the disregard for public opinion, and the vehement mud-slinging at anyone with the temerity to argue against their views.

They know the last public forum to rebut their incredible BS, the only place where they are held accountable for their words and actions, is conservative talk radio. If they succeed in reinstating the "fainess doctrine", they will have stifled their main detractors, and provided themselves with the means for the power grab they've been setting up for years. Look at how the biased MSM has manipulated public opinion and influenced supposedly free elections. With the last bastion of truth eliminated, they will have free reign to do whatever they desire.

Be advised, if they succeed in gagging talk radio, internet sites will be next. Does anyone out there really want DKOS and DU as the sole remaining internet forums?

The Closed Mind Erects Strong Barriers

 I'm shocked, shocked that t

 I'm shocked, shocked that they blocked this.

Now I am confused?

Do I understand this correctly? Dick Durbin wants to prevent debate on the Fairness Doctrine which says both sides are to be heard? How does THAT work?


A Democrat is someone who wants to put YOUR money where HIS mouth is.

Don't be confused

It's simple. Antilibertarian bias. Either that, or perhaps someone can explain how the words "both sides" cover the likes of sarcasmo around here in any "fair" way, when I seemingly spend half my time messing with the political right and the other half messing with the left. The FCC is concentrated control freakery, and its censorship arms of "fairness" and "decency" attract & encourage all that is evil in the US political class. As with socialist schools, the solution isn't "reform," it's eliminating the entire thing and letting the free marketplace -- with all its warts -- work as it should.
JMR

It's a definition issue reall

It's a definition issue really.

"both sides of an issue" (conservative definition) - pros and cons of an issue are discussed.

"both sides of an issue" (liberal definition) - Why the conservatives are wrong and why the liberals are right is discussed.

I think it's an excuse to u

I think it's an excuse to use my own tax money against speech I support, in both the case of the left's stupid, censorious, and unfair "fairness" doctrine and the earlier censorship-attempt with "decency" as the excuse by the political right on Howard Stern after the Elmer Gantry faction of the Republican Party went-hysterical with all our taxes over an irrelevant saggy tit briefly being shown at the Super Bowl halftime show. In both cases, "major" political parties are doing something stupid, and something my taxes should not do. How could "fairness" let me speak against both policies? Wouldn't it be easier & much more convenient just to not-let people like me speak at all?? After all, I'm sure Democrats and Republicans feel the same way when I call 'em "fools," right? Why not just get rid of the speech from this meany that gives "both sides" bad feelings??
JMR

After all, I'm sure Democrats

After all, I'm sure Democrats and Republicans feel the same way when I call 'em "fools," right?

Actually, when I hear such a criticism I step back and ask myself, Okay, How did I frak-up and come off as bad and as asinine as a liberal democrat?

I doubt you'd find such reflection from the other side.

Let Markets Decide

I think many reflective Democrats do exist, and they tend to be against the "fairness" doctrine. I know a few. The problem with both parties is the "inside the beltway" variety of 'leadership' infecting them both with a massive case of the spending-virus. My solution is to entirely-defund things like the FCC and listen to those (like CATO) who say much better than I ever can these simple words: "Let Markets Decide." That's my bottom-line. And somewhat-ironically, free-er markets will, IMO, lead to fewer things like the constant four-hour-boner ads that aren't regulated or hysterically-whined-about like the saggy tit was, possibly because the saggy tit owns far fewer politicians than the pharmaceutical industry has by now purchased... Less regulation will lead to less for them to buy, and IMO to less of the increasing coarsening of morals we've seen in society as government and regulation have grown, despite the sudden dearth of sinecure-FCC-jobs for political types who want to define "decency" & "fairness" for everyone else while at the same time being paid by everyone else. Just MHO.
JMR

My solution is to entirely-de

My solution is to entirely-defund things like the FCC and listen to those (like CATO) who say much better than I ever can these simple words: "Let Markets Decide."

Pretty much how I feel regarding public education ... Do away with the government Education Department and open all schooling to the free market.

Without any FCC at all, tax

Without any FCC at all, taxpaying Americans would not face this issue...And yes, this "fairness" idiocy for the newly-empowered left is coming from the same FCC that regularly gives us "decency" idiocy from the right when they're in power. Think about it...
JMR

I agree Sarc

You are right.  People lost their minds over a stupid nipple.  Now people are losing their minds because they can't handle the truth that the free market DOES DECIDE what it successful.  I like it that way.

I will say this:

We probaly wouldn't be discussing this right now if it weren't for a certain Reverend from Mississippi...

"What the MSSM doesn't report can kill you."  - Me

"Decency" guideline

"Decency" guidelines are essential, and don't interfere with anyone's right to free speech. Decency goals should not be a right-left issue with anyone, although it seems to be with the left.

Sarc, you said "think about it". Well, think about this blog (NB). Everyone tries to be decent about their language. And everyone seems to be able to engage in discussion just fine. There is no need to swear; and no one is allowed to provide links to porn, nudity, and so on.

So, I think about it -- and conclude that decency guidelines don't interefere with my right to speak. And I firmly believe that's the way it ought to be across any public spectrum.

You're just not thinking ab

You're just not thinking about it the way I do. I have no problems with the decency guidelines of this PRIVATELY OWNED forum WHICH COSTS ME NO TAX MONEY WHATSOVER! I have problems with the existence of the FCC's censorious and political "decency" and "fairness" guidelines (and the FCC itself) because as I've already exposed above, they're both just exuses by the political left & the right to use my tax money for their politics. What we need is to go towards less spending by letting radio stations do just what NB does, which is cost me NO TAX MONEY with its rules. Rules and guidelines aren't the problem, as long as those who want them also have to finance/enforce them, but when I'm forced to pay taxes for 'em I tend to bitch about it...And note: With Sirius I've already escaped the censors of the FCC, and it's amazing how one company can provide such better service (not just the raunchy Howard Stern stuff!) than an entire commercial-filled terrestrial radio marketplace. That's the nature of capitalist innovation where there's little or no big-government regulation, I guess...
JMR

As long as we have public air

As long as we have public airwaves (doesn't include Sirrus), then I don't want a KOS-type of indecency to air. KOS thinks it's cool to spout garbage; and the same attitude will prevail on the public airways without standards being applied. So yeah, tax dollars have to be spent -- but IMO, I'm willing to be taxed to preserve decency.

Try to imagine changing the

Try to imagine changing the word "public" to "grasping-socialist," since there's not any difference in my mind (and the same applies, as mentioned above, to education, BTW). As for your Sirius parenthetical, the socialist control-freaks are in the process of proving you wrong at the moment over what should be an uncontroversial business merger -- if only we lived under actual capitalism... Nothing about one political party's definition of "decency" will "preserve democracy" any better than anything about the other party's definition of "fairness." Instead, the right will mindlessly-attack Howard Stern given the slightest chance due to a saggy tit at the SuperBowl (while leaving Oprah's far-raunchier stuff alone, like the 4 hour boner commercials, for political reasons) or else the left will just as mindlessly attack talk radio because their ideas can't compete very well in that medium without government help. Both "decency" and "fairness" are ploys designed to silence the inconvenient likes of me in favor only of "both" sides of the debate, as if libertarians didn't exist. As I've shown, it's a pattern...
JMR

Tells you all you need to kno

Tells you all you need to know about what and who are the real fascists doesn't it?

MSM of all venues had better really beware.

The UN-FAIRNESS DOCTRINE a great issue for Conservatives!

The UN-FAIRNESS DOCTRINE a great issue for Conservatives!  This issue should be shoved down the throats of the Commie Libs at every public pronouncement of everything.  The Commie Libs are the Hugo Chavez Communist Party, banning a free press.  Little Dicky Durbin is a lot closer to Castro than our founding fathers, but then again he is a People's Democrap.

Hi CT...Could not agree more.

Hi CT...

Could not agree more...today is one of those days I could not listen to his leftist whining destructive BS on the Senate floor this am...

You describe him to a tee!

bt -Me too ... While the nati

bt -

Me too ... While the nation is supposedly war weary, I'm bullship weary.  This needs nipped in the arse ASAP.  The Republicans need to jump on this hard and fast by stating at every turn this is exactly what Chavez and Castro have done, and whodda thunk the democrats would easily slip into the title of Big Brother. Then the GOP needs to put out ads on TV and radio about such, especially playing the Hillary sound bites and anyone else who is seeking to stifle free speech and free enterprise.  Yeah, the air waves belong to the American people (as much as they can, I suppose ... on a clear night with a good enough radio you can pick up stations from other countries), but why is it when I object to something being said or shown or portrayed on radio or TV I am told to simply shut it off or turn the dial?  

So if the "fairness do

So if the "fairness doctrine" comes back, it means the MSM will have to offer equal conservative views to every liberal view as well as libertarian views, fair is fair, right?

But what about socialist and communist views? And the views from NAMBLA and muslims and skinheads? All this over Rush, Hannity and Laura Ingrahm?

Talk about a pandoras box! Quick we need a "surge" of new Lawyers!

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

"On Feb. 11, 1998, Hil

"On Feb. 11, 1998, Hillary Clinton told reporters that the Internet
needed an "editing" or "gatekeeping" function. The World Wide Web was
out of control, she said."

http://www.worldnetd...

No, the MSM would not be regu

No, the MSM would not be regulated.  The nightly news would not need to be balanced because their speach is protects as members of the press.  Rush is not a member of the press so there would need to be balance to his show......

Right (and they argue the MSM

Right (and they argue the MSM news isn't biased or tilted left ... but would impose restrictions and the doctrine on FNC).  Now, let's see how they try to wiggle Hollywood and the music industry (the entertainment industry in general and on whole) out of it ...

amber,Why is Rush not a mem

amber,

Why is Rush not a member of the press and Katie Couric is? Don't they both read the "news" and comment on it?

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

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what the heck is wrong with NB today?  I only clicked post once.

I have no answer for you othe

I have no answer for you other than, maybe it makes it more convenient to allow liberal viewpoints to dominate all media forms?  I would argue that Rush does a better job of present the facts and the news then the actual news, but that is just my opinion, I think Rush is already balanced, I mean, how do you balance truth?  If it is true, then it is the only correct viewpoint...oh well.

I think a STRONG case could

I think a STRONG case could be made that the MSM should be subject to the fairness doctrine as well as Rush. Of course the dems will probably draft the legislation with Rush's name built right in!

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

Or at least they'll have hi

Or at least they'll have his name in the preliminary legislation sketches--- if not the final one.

NEWS vs COMMENTARY

The MSM have NEWS programs which are there to state the NEWS of the day, etc.  The guys like Rush, Franken[when he had a show], etc., do commentary on the news, the analyze the news, etc.  They do not report the news!!

In an ironic display of Democ

In an ironic display of Democratic disdain for free speech and open political fora, the Senate Dems try to keep the Fairness Doctrine alive (well, available to the first Democratically appointed FCC Director), in the same week that John Edwards, Hillary Clinton, and Barack Obama unwittingly conspire over a hot mike, to drop the remainder of the Democratic candidates from the debate process.

Don't ever let a Democrat get away with (a) "I support our troops" as they demand withdrawal, and (b) "I believe every voice should be heard".   These people make Tammany Hall look good. 

I caught part of the conserv

I caught part of the conservation on Sirius earlier. Will have to find a link to audio later. Seems to me the only reason Hillary, and I think she would push this the hardest, wants the others out is that she is afraid that they will make her answer tough questions that she doesn't want to go on record with. The others have nothing to lose by putting things out there and making her respond. Then we would have it on tape, making it harder for her to change her position later. I mean we all know that she has no clue what she believes until a poll comes out.

I think Hillary has two conce

I think Hillary has two concerns regarding the issue you highlighted, RESTLESS.

1.  Adding to your point is the fact that she's been the front runner since years before the campaign began, and when those candidates at the lower end of the polls have nothing to lose, they'll go after the front runner.

2.  She's been amassing a huge warchest since her first Senate run in '00.  That warchest is also backed by many Senators and Representatives for whom Hillary has either campaigned or donated money to, and the IOUs will come due in this race.  However, if she expends far more $$$ on the primaries than she had planned to, she may have trouble raising money for the actual Presidential election. 

Therefore, the sooner they push the low pollers out of the primaries, the sooner she locks up the nomination, the more $$$ she saves for the actual race against a Rep, and the sooner she reduces her vulnerability to negative attacks from within her own party.

One thing she has to watch is alienating the Left in the process.  If the Left put up their own candidate again --- i.e. Nader, Kucinich --- they could hurt her.  I don't think she has to worry about Gore running independently, but she will have trouble if he jumps into the primaries.

The irony is that the Democra

The irony is that the Democrats claimed to defend fairness, but to do it, they had to thwart an amendment so that the issue couldn't be publicly debated.

And just out of curiosity, since when was having an "educated" electorate made into a constitutional principle? If someone voted against Thomas Dewey because he looked like the man on the wedding cake, didn't we accept the vote? If someone voted for John F. Kennedy because he was handsome, didn't we still count their vote? If someone votes for Hillary strictly because she's a woman, won't we still count that vote? If someone votes for Obama simply because he's black, won't we count that vote?

In all of these cases, the vote had nothing to do with an electorate educated on "issues."

By the way, you know what else flies in the face of an electorate educated on issues? Voting for someone because they belong to a political party...

I never got my hopes up about

I never got my hopes up about this amendment. Figured that something like this would happen. It wouldn't surprise me if the only reason so many dems in the house voted the way they did is that they knew it would be blocked or voted down in the senate, thus a win-win for them as they can tell their constituents that they voted for free speech even as they knew it wouldn't get out of the senate.

This is one of the best links

This is one of the best links full of info and links to the enemy within about all of this Fairness Doctrine issue that they are going to try to cram down our throat one way or the other....interviews ect...including Voinovich/Hannity...full of everything.

This is getting interesting

This is getting interesting, we are seeing 'internal leaks' carried by the news media. Not long ago a vet ambushed Matthews, Blitzer hit on the SiCKO, and mother Sheehan is attacking miss America.

JDW

News media: Scoreboard for terrorists

Meanwhile, back at the ranch,

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, Hillary and the Breck Girl plot to limit the number of candidates at future Democrat debates:

DETROIT (AP) - Democrats John Edwards and Hillary Rodham Clinton consider themselves among the top presidential candidates.

They were caught by Fox News microphones discussing their desire to limit future joint appearances to exclude some lower rivals after a forum in Detroit Thursday.

Edwards says, "We should try to have a more serious and a smaller group."

Clinton agrees, saying, "We've got to cut the number" and "they're not serious." She also says that she thought their campaigns had already tried to limit the debates and say, "We've gotta get back to it."

http://www.wluctv6.com/Global/story.asp?S=6784011

And Kucinich calls them on it!!

NEW YORK (AP) - An angry Dennis Kucinich lashed out at John Edwards on Friday, saying his Democratic rival showed "a consistent lack of integrity" by suggesting fewer candidates should participate in presidential forums and then trying to explain his remark to reporters.

"This is a serious matter and I'm calling him on it," Kucinich, an Ohio congressman, said in a telephone interview Friday. "Whispering, trying to rig an election, then denying what's going on and making excuses. It all reflects a consistent lack of integrity."

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8QBT8HG0&show_article=1

"This is gonna be great!" - Flounder -

Just when I feel like I'm bei

Just when I feel like I'm being buried alive by all the left's BS in this country, I step back and see the hole being dug ain't for me ... but is being dug by them for themselves.

 I feel the same today drill

 I feel the same today drill...

Priceless isn't it?

Just precious...in fact getting to be delectable...

LOL...

bt -How can you tell when the

bt -

How can you tell when the cat is scared?

The hair on its back stands straight up and it hisses loudly.

...yet, Fox News is going to

...yet, Fox News is going to get the blame, I'll bet.

Yeah, was (Fire) Go-o-o-od! w

Yeah, was (Fire) Go-o-o-od! when open news mics caught the Bush/Cheney "The guy's an a-hole" remark.

But it's (Fire) Ba-a-a-ad! when FNC's open mic catches Clinton and Edwards planning to cut the competition and silence their fellow candidates.

Hey Prester...thanks for the

Hey Prester...

thanks for the update on this situation with this cut-throat mess with the dem candidates...

I posted about this last night too with a link...(and they say Shrill is the smartest gal in the world, her mike is open? she still speaks...I loved it, still laughing in fact)

Glad to see Kucinich is speaking out...but heck, for the most part the msm's quite about all of this...we all know if this was say...oh I don't know...heheheee...Romney, Giuliani, and Thompson we would have 24/7 coverage of this....

Nope, no hypocrisy in the leftist press.

Btw...speak of the devil... Kucinich is speaking now on Hardball...he says he is waiting for a response from Clinton and others...I think he will be waiting for quite awhile...

LMAO....

The Democrat Party is the true party of fascism today.

I do not ever again want to hear another (il)liberal democrat accuse any conservative of being a fascist, as it should now be quite apparent to every American, even to those who attended a government school, who the real fascists truly are in this country.

God help us if the Hildebeast wins the White House along with a democrat-controlled congress in '08. Believe me, it won't just be conservative talk radio those Marxist/Leninist frauds will be going after.

Help Fred defeat the RINOs, along with the Hitllary-Obama Axis, & win the White House in '08.

Would the distinguished senat

Would the distinguished senator form Illinois please stop sounding like a smug little pompous ass?

Good grief...the want a "fairness doctrine" to open political debate (so they say), yet to get it they shut down political debate! 

This is right before your very eyes people!  This ought to wake up the middle-of-the-roaders to the utter dangers to Liberty brought about by a Democrat-controlled Congress.

Dems waiting for 2008 to stop the "hate"?

http://www.aim.org/aim_column/5577_0_3_0_C/

Interesting article from Cliff Kincaid of AIM, Accuracy in Media

(opening paragraph):

"A blogger called the 309-115 vote against federal funding of the Fairness Doctrine a "historic vote for freedom of speech." A columnist called it "A big victory for radio broadcast freedom." But it was nothing of the sort. Even if the amendment from Rep. Mike Pence were to pass the Senate, it would do absolutely nothing to stop a Democratic president and Congress from reinstating the Fairness Doctrine. It was a political maneuver that has confused many people."

Fairness

Let's face it, to Liberals, fairness is not having to listen to an opposing point of view. This site is based on the lockstep communications of the MSM and their distortions of the facts.  What the Democrats want is no one to be able to point out these problems.  Fox News, with it's largest audience, has less than 3 million viewers, the  Alphabet networks, and their amen chorus on cable, have 4 times that, yet it's not enough for these guys. Rush Limbaugh has an audience approaching the MSM, which is particularly annoying to them, and yet he can't swing an election, all he can do is express an opinion, which is the same thing the MSM does, on a daily basis.  There is little doubt the MSM has chosen sides in this debate soo I would ask, the Senator from Illinois, if they intend to bring fairness to the newsrooms of the MSM by having Conservative news writers and editors on staff?  Somehow, I doubt Democrats want that sort of fairness.

Never argue with an idiot.  They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

The answer is NO

Mr. Durbin: Does the senator concede that the airwaves belong to the American people?

Mr. Coleman: Mr. President, I concede the airwaves belong to the American people.

The correct answer is NO, they do not belong to the American people. Airwaves had no value until inventors like Marconi developed the technology to transmit signals through the air. The lie that the "people" own the airwaves is how the government justified the creation of the FCC and the regulation of content broadcasted over the airwaves. Neal Boortz had a great piece recently about this swindle perpetrated by the government in the 1930s.

If you're not outraged at the media, you haven't been paying attention.

Share of the profits

Well, Mr Dunkin' Durbin, when will I receive my share of the profits from the airwaves?