As American media turned anti-war in late 2003 in order to assist Democrats in the upcoming 2004 elections, a common strategy of comparing the war in Iraq to Vietnam was implemented.
In fact, since the March 19, 2003, invasion, there have been thousands of press reports which included the words Iraq and Vietnam.
With this is mind, our friend Jim at Gateway Pundit posted an absolutely fabulous analysis on Thursday of just how absurd such comparisons are (h/t Glenn Reynolds):
Democrats and the media have set new guidelines for America.
The national sacrifice limit will now be set at 4000, max.
Anytime the US records 4000 military losses in 5 1/2 years it will be recognized under the new rules as a horrible defeat.[…]
It also does not matter how the losses compare to other US wars.
Jim included charts and graphs to illustrate the point concerning how Iraq doesn't come close to comparing to Vietnam and other wars with relation to casualties and changes in the population including the following:

Sadly, these are elements that the press ignore as they force upon the citizenry a picture in Iraq that looks eerily similar to Vietnam in the late ’60s and early ’70s despite the factual differences.
For instance, according to LexisNexis, NBC News has done 644 reports with the words Iraq and Vietnam in them, including this from Roger O’Neil on the “Nightly News” this past Independence Day:
While there is the inevitable comparison between Iraq and Vietnam, on one point there is no argument, the veterans coming home from this war are seeing a far different America than what the veterans of Vietnam saw.
There was no welcome home from that unpopular war.
For its part, CBS News has done 536 reports with the words Iraq and Vietnam, including this from the “Morning News” Tuesday:
The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan could cost more than the Vietnam war. Adjusted for inflation, the Vietnam war cost taxpayers $650 billion over more than 10 years. After less than five years, the current conflicts have topped 610 billion. With the troop surge, the Pentagon spends $12 billion a month.
And, ABC News has aired 629 such reports since March 19, 2003, including the following on Wednesday’s “Good Morning America” when during a piece about the growing demand on Capitol Hill for immediate troop withdrawal, Claire Shipman stated, “But Senator McCain argues the real risk is withdrawing at all. Tuesday, dramatically invoking the Vietnam pullout.”
For its part, CNN has done in excess of 3000 reports (LexisNexis maxes out at that number!) since the invasion with the words Iraq and Vietnam in them. Ditto the Associated Press.
The New York Times comes in with a tally of 2,481. The Washington Post, as if in competition, published almost exactly the same at 2,475.
Amazing, wouldn’t you agree?
Now, in fairness, all because an article or a report contains the words Iraq and Vietnam, this doesn’t mean the point of the piece was specifically to draw a negative comparison. For instance, an article quoting John McCain’s opinion of Iraq might mention that he is a Vietnam War veteran.
However, given the extraordinary numbers here – well into ten thousand – the almost incessant reference to Vietnam in reports about Iraq is clearly not an accident, and designed to give Americans as negative a view of the current incursion as possible.
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I posted this the other day.
July 12, 2007 - 11:51 ET by jpatchI posted this the other day. I asked people to explain to me how this war could be viewed so badly, considering that after over 4 years, we'd lost less than 4,000 soldiers, when in less time in Vietnam, we had lost nearly 60,000. But, I guess every time the MSM mentions more U.S. casualties, they also say, "that's in addition to the 600,000+ Iraqi's that have been murdered since the U.S. led invasion in 2003".
Treason=giving aid and comfort to our enemy=90% of what the MSM does
Victor's got your viet nam ri
July 12, 2007 - 11:58 ET by TruthMongerVictor's got your viet nam right here...fuggettaboutit...
Gay haters unite!
THose who are against this wa
July 12, 2007 - 17:41 ET by BDTHose who are against this war are doing so for one key reason. In the 1970's they were able to cause the US to abandon its allies to our foes "Tender mercies" and retreat behind cover. (note that protests dropped to a virtual NIL when the draft protected most of them.
They did it under many rationales, but the bulk being that we were not able to win, we were being evil just by our mere presence, and those who we were fighting to protect were not worth the protection.
Every time the Vietnam War is brought up now, they are forced to try and justify their cowardly stances of that period. They cannot contemplate the millions killed in SE Asia following our departure, and they try to forget it by saying more South Vietnamese were killed by us that our enemies.
If the current global War on Terror were to be successful it would prove the lie that they have been living since their callous abandonment of the South Vietnamese, laotians, and Cambodes to the communist dictatorship..
Good thing the Allies didn't have this MSM
July 12, 2007 - 11:52 ET by Carl KolchakThe national sacrifice limit will now be set at 4000, max.
Anytime the US records 4000 military losses in 5 1/2 years it will be recognized under the new rules as a horrible defeat.
Good thing the Allies from WW2 didn't have the same people in the media. They probably would have insisted the Allies pack it up after Anzio.
Good thing Grant didn't have this media during the Civil War. They would have told him to pack it up after Cold Harbor even though he had the major momentum prior to the debacle at Cold Harbor and afterwards as well. How about Grant's siege on Vicksburg, or Sherman's March to the Sea? The MSM from today definatly wouldn't go for anything like that, but those were huge parts of ending the Civil War.
"I'm a man of means by no means, King of the Road" 'King of the Road'
If we had this press in WWI
July 12, 2007 - 11:58 ET by Free StinkerIf we had this press in WWII, Patton wouldn't have gotten through the war, Ike would have had to resign over D-Day casualties, and The Battle of the Bulge would have ended popular support for the war in Europe.
Meanwhile, we would have given up in the Pacific after our losses in Guadalcanal & The Battle of the Coral Sea.
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Fred Thompson and Ann Coulter walk into a bar. The bar is instantly destroyed because that much awesome cannot be contained in on
Yeah good points, and the Bat
July 12, 2007 - 12:10 ET by Carl KolchakYeah good points, and the Bataan Death March would definatly not be as bad as Abu Graib or Guantanamo either. In fact the MSM would probably make the Japanese soldiers on the Bataan Death March out to be a bunch of swell guys.
"I'm a man of means by no means, King of the Road" 'King of the Road'
I hate to break it to you, bu
July 12, 2007 - 13:31 ET by BruzillaI hate to break it to you, but the media was much the same during WWII. I posted a blurb from a 1942 article in time (probably written by Helen Thomas as she's what... about 500 years old?) on a string yesterday that boldy proclaimed that our chances of winning the war were greatly minimized by the Battle of the North Atlantic. The finger-on-the-pulse reporter said that Hitler's u-boats were delaying the invasion of Europe, which meant the Japanese had plenty of time to defeat us in the Pacific because we couldn't take offensive action against the Japanese until after we had defeated Hitler! Turned out that we were on Japan's doorstep when Hitler surrendered, so you can see this reporter was no better at predicting the future than today's reporters are.
I can't recommend the archives at Time.com enough. Spend an evening going through the articles from 1942 to 1944 and it's amazing how similar the reporting then is to the reporting now.
Yeah good points Bruzilla.
July 12, 2007 - 17:30 ET by Carl KolchakYeah good points Bruzilla. There were also Copperheads during the Civil War that wanted the North to make peace with the South. Prior to the Battle of Gettysburg the North was in pretty bad shape. The South looked like they had the momentum. Also, in the Presidential election of 1864 Lincoln ran against McLellan. I think in any war you will find those opposed, but I doubt that their opinions have always dominated the media. I could be wrong, as I wasn't around during the Civil War or WW2 though.
Here is a good quote from General Lee about war.
"It is well that war is so terrible -- lest we should grow too fond of it." Robert E Lee
Speaking of the Copperheads,
July 12, 2007 - 22:01 ET by stratmanSpeaking of the Copperheads, from Wikipedia:
"Most Copperheads actively participated in politics. On May 1, 1863, former Congressman Vallandigham declared that the war was being fought not to save the Union but to free the blacks and enslave Southern whites. The Army then arrested him for declaring sympathy for the enemy. He was court-martialed and sentenced to imprisonment, but Lincoln commuted the sentence to banishment behind Confederate lines. The Democrats nevertheless nominated him for governor of Ohio in 1863; he campaigned from Canada but was defeated after an intense battle. He operated behind-the-scenes at the 1864 Democratic convention in Chicago; this convention adopted a largely Copperhead platform, but chose a pro-war presidential candidate, George B. McClellan. The contradiction severely weakened the chances to defeat Lincoln's reelection."
It would be poetic justice to banish the likes of Sean Penn, Rosie O'Donnel, Dick "Turbin" Durbin, Harry Reid, Helen Thomas, Dick Gregory, etc behind Islamofascist lines. Since they are all so disgusted with Bush giving a single commutation, there will be none for them. Be careful what you wish for, children.
Last, I feel as though the ghost of Copperhead Vallandigham inhabits current Ohio governor Ted "we don't want no stinking Iraqi refugees in my state" Strickland.
It's the MSM who want a repea
July 12, 2007 - 11:58 ET by rbosqueIt's the MSM who want a repeat of Vietnam. Both the American "retreat" and humiliation of our nation and the countless millions that will die after our troop removal. But I guess the Dems care little for life anyway so no skin off their nose, as long as it's nobody they know.
Executing spies
July 12, 2007 - 11:59 ET by dagdaLost in all of this is the fact the person being executed in the picture was a spy. According to the Geneva Convention spies can be executed on the spot without trial. I do not remember this being mentioned when this photo is used.
Our real problem, then, is not our strength today; it is rather the vital necessity of action today to ensure our strength tomorrow. Dwight Eisenhower
Here is a pretty good account
July 12, 2007 - 12:07 ET by Carl KolchakHere is a pretty good account of the famous "Life" magazine photo of the South Vietnamese officer shooting the Viet Cong soldier. Here is a quote from the below link from Eddie Adams who took the picture. Loan is the South Vietnamese officer with the pistol.
"Eddie Adams felt that his famous photo unfairly maligned Loan, who lived in Virginia after the war and died in 1998."
Loan told Adams afterwards that the person he shot had killed many South Vietnamese and Americans.
http://digitaljournalist.org/issue0410/faas.html
Adams' photo
July 12, 2007 - 12:11 ET by dagdaThe maligning was done by those who manipulated the photo and never gave the truth behind it. They lied about the significance of the photo to serve their own ends.
Our real problem, then, is not our strength today; it is rather the vital necessity of action today to ensure our strength tomorrow. Dwight Eisenhower
I think the most glaring an
July 12, 2007 - 12:01 ET by dervishI think the most glaring and most ignored difference between this war and Viet Nam is that THIS time the enemy will follow us home. We are not going to be able to just walk away from this, even if it were a good or honorable thing to do. (And it isn't.)
MSM
July 12, 2007 - 12:17 ET by pocomocoThe current comparison is, of course, ludicrous. But, if the Democrats succeed in their ‘cut and run’ policy, there will be an ominous comparison that can’t be ignored.
As the Democrats ‘cut and run’ in Viet Nam resulted in the death of millions in the ‘re-education camps’ of Viet Nam, Cambodia, and Laos, so too will millions die in Iraq because of the same policy.
It will then be interesting to see how the MSM obfuscates this comparison.
It will then be interesting t
July 12, 2007 - 13:00 ET by Dave RIt will then be interesting to see how the MSM obfuscates this comparison.
Whatever happens that the MSM will be unable to outright ignore will be blamed on GWB.
Help Fred defeat the RINOs, along with the Hitllary-Obama Axis, & win the White House in '08.
When do we BAN automobiles?20
July 12, 2007 - 12:23 ET by FastEdWhen do we BAN automobiles?
2005=39,1892004=38,444
2003=38,477
2002=38,491
2001=37,862
2000=37,526
1999=37,140
1998=37,107
1997=37,324
1996=37,494
1995=37,241
1994=36,254
Automobile deaths in the US - where's the media outrage at these "killer" corporations, and drivers, and when will the government step in?
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
Statistical significance
July 12, 2007 - 12:26 ET by dagdaI do not think that automobile deaths are keeping pace with the population increase. Certainly not with the 12 million illegal aliens in the country as an addition. So, as a percentage of the population at large, traffic deaths are going down.
Our real problem, then, is not our strength today; it is rather the vital necessity of action today to ensure our strength tomorrow. Dwight Eisenhower
Don't your gun deaths run hig
July 12, 2007 - 12:52 ET by USnotU.S.Don't your gun deaths run higher than that?
Possibly, but they pale in
July 12, 2007 - 12:59 ET by MightyMouthPossibly, but they pale in comparison to deaths by genocide in the rest of this "wonderful" world you enjoy.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Want to show me where I said
July 12, 2007 - 13:10 ET by USnotU.S.Want to show me where I said "wonderful"?
Or, are you just like the others who say that living outside the US means being a communist, or that Australia is in Europe, or that Jimmy Carter is my hero blah blah blah fart vomit blah blah Bush vomit blah?
are you just like the others
July 12, 2007 - 13:15 ET by Free Stinkerare you just like the others who say that living outside the US means being a communist
Actually, I said that your comment "I live in the World" means you are a communist. I never said anything about living "outside of the US"
I also find it funny that you are too embarassed about the country you live in to actually name it.
I also note that your reading comprehension sucks.
come on USnot, don't be shy!
July 12, 2007 - 13:20 ET by Free Stinkercome on USnot, don't be shy!
Oh excuse me, maybe you mea
July 12, 2007 - 13:16 ET by MightyMouthOh excuse me, maybe you meant "better than the U.S." instead of "wonderful"?
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Wow. Seems we have an offi
July 12, 2007 - 14:38 ET by dabalWow. Seems we have an official Soviet-style Agitprop troll.
Looks that way, doesn't it?
July 12, 2007 - 14:43 ET by Free StinkerLooks that way, doesn't it?
MightyMouth you need to be "re-educated"
July 12, 2007 - 13:12 ET by Carl KolchakMightyMouth, your list doesn't include anything about George Bush or the United States. Don't you know that only lists that badmouth George Bush or the United States are allowed. Now, do we need to "re-educate" you or not?
Sincerely
The State
"Theres blood in the streets, its up to my ankles" "Peace Frog'
"Now, do we need to &q
July 12, 2007 - 13:20 ET by MightyMouth"Now, do we need to "re-educate" you or not?"
Sure Carl, but only if my re-education includes this teacher...
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
MightyMouth, you forgot to br
July 12, 2007 - 13:23 ET by Carl KolchakMightyMouth, you forgot to break out the lyrics for "Hot for Teacher" by Van Halen. You may need more education, maybe via Pink Floyd.
"We don't need no education We don't need no thought control"
"maybe via Pink Floyd&
July 12, 2007 - 13:28 ET by MightyMouth"maybe via Pink Floyd"
I try not to listen to anything those pinko commies have to say, which is rather ironic considering I have been reading and replying to the main antagonist in this thread! :-)
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Snotty,And what of the one-hu
July 12, 2007 - 13:06 ET by Dave RSnotty,
And what of the one-hundred million plus (and still counting) deaths caused by your Marxist/Leninist heroes?
BTW-I would guess that the majority of those people weren't allowed to own guns and were unable to defend themselves against their very own governments.
Help Fred defeat the RINOs, along with the Hitllary-Obama Axis, & win the White House in '08.
Daver!Hello!Are banjo lessons
July 12, 2007 - 13:15 ET by USnotU.S.Daver!
Hello!
Are banjo lessons finished for the day? Good, sit down over there an skin them varmints will ya?
Now, what the hell? Are you quoting me, or someone else? Make sense, sonny Jim! Go back to skool at lees till yer twelv!
Next?
Replies that relate to the 94% of the world who aren't US citizens would be cool!
Hey Snot, where the hell are you?
July 12, 2007 - 13:19 ET by dagdaWhere the heck do you live so we can bag on that country or back-water of the world?
Our real problem, then, is not our strength today; it is rather the vital necessity of action today to ensure our strength tomorrow. Dwight Eisenhower
Dave R was refering to the 1
July 12, 2007 - 13:24 ET by Ten7sDave R was refering to the 100,000,000+ poor souls who were murdered by your atheistic Marxist/Leftist ideology. Learn to read or quit posting here.
US Gun deaths
July 12, 2007 - 13:12 ET by dagda2 out of three gun deaths in the US are suicide. If you are concerned about the lastest statistics for gun deaths go to the Centers for Disease Control. They keep those statistics. I think you will find they are lower than the automobile deaths.
Our real problem, then, is not our strength today; it is rather the vital necessity of action today to ensure our strength tomorrow. Dwight Eisenhower
You provide the guns, though!
July 12, 2007 - 13:22 ET by USnotU.S.You provide the guns, though!
Oddly enough, you seem to want them to defend yourselves against harmful domestic governments. Why not use them now, then?
Oddly enough, you seem to wan
July 12, 2007 - 13:35 ET by Dave ROddly enough, you seem to want them to defend yourselves against harmful domestic governments.
That's one reason, as governments tend to fear an armed citizenry, which is as it should be. Just ask Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin and Mao.
We also have a lot of liberal judges in this country that refuse to keep the more violence-prone among us behind bars, as well as a sizeable invasion that is currently streaming over our southern border essentially un-checked. The area where I live has seen a sharp increase in crime in recent years that has been attributed to the influx if illegal aliens into my country.
There are those who sit at home, wringing their hands while hoping that if some criminal low-life happens to invade their domicile, that this same government will be able to protect them by getting the police to their home in time to prevent something bad from happening.
I am not one of those people.
Help Fred defeat the RINOs, along with the Hitllary-Obama Axis, & win the White House in '08.
abortion, oh excuse me, choic
July 12, 2007 - 13:14 ET by vrwc13abortion, oh excuse me, choice = 1,000,000 per year average since 1973...
what's your point?
we lose almost as many un-choosing infants A DAY as compared to the entire Iraq war where they "chose" to join...
Men stumble over the truth from time to time, but most pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing happened. -Winston Churchill.
What's your point?I don't hav
July 12, 2007 - 13:19 ET by USnotU.S.What's your point?
I don't have a problem with abortion. It's the woman's choice; that's all that counts.
I do have a problem with an administration that bans abortion, but is willing to throw their babies in front of guns as soon as they reach 18, because then they can call it war, and they usually try to say God is involved in the war, so it's ok.
I don't have God problems.
so USnotU.S. says it's o.k. t
July 12, 2007 - 13:39 ET by vrwc13so USnotU.S. says it's o.k. to kill your own defenseless baby before it's had a chance to be born....but is horrified by a young "adult" who has chosen to join the service and in most cases is willing to lay down his/her life for their country...and does not have a "God problem"?
<vrwc13 scratches head and wonders...where is this guy coming from?> ...oh yeah he must subscribe to the manbearpig-gw-debates over philosophy >>> "Yeah, logic, reason, facts play less of a role now in the way I (we) make decisions (in America)." – Al Gore
But he won't say where he l
July 12, 2007 - 13:42 ET by Free StinkerBut he won't say where he lives.
http://newsbusters.org/node/14049
Or will he?
(Free, think that might flush him out?)
July 12, 2007 - 13:49 ET by vrwc13Hey USnotU.S. I'm from the good state of (and PROUD that GWB is too!) Texas. How about you?
(Free, think that might flush him out?)
No he's too shy.
July 12, 2007 - 13:50 ET by Free StinkerNo he's too shy.
snotty...you are brainless
July 12, 2007 - 13:46 ET by LionKingFirst, abortion has not been banned. Partial birth abortions have been banned.
Second, 18 year-olds are considered adults in the USA. If I recall correctly, you are in your mid 40's and still do not consider yourself an adult...what a suprise!!! Your childness clearly defines your mental aptitude.
just the facts
July 12, 2007 - 13:44 ET by DontFeedTheTrollsUSnotU.S. Says: Don't your gun deaths run higher than that?
I can only find the number from 1997, 10,369 murders and 1400 accidental deaths.
Dunno where, but more recent numbers should be out there.
Lots of fringe sites with 'guesses' instead of facts.
D
I don't support our liberals or their mission.
So that makes cars 3 times
July 12, 2007 - 13:48 ET by Free StinkerSo that makes cars 3 times deadlier than guns?
and abortion 25 times deadl
July 12, 2007 - 13:56 ET by vrwc13and abortion 25 times deadlier than cars...
My gun has killed infinitely
July 12, 2007 - 14:34 ET by dabalMy gun has killed infinitely less people than Ted Kennedy's car.
As American media turned an
July 12, 2007 - 14:04 ET by BacchusAs American media turned anti-war in late 2003 in order to assist
Democrats in the upcoming 2004 elections, a common strategy of
comparing the war in Iraq to Vietnam was implemented.
The New York Times, by assisting the Democrats, has dutifully sunk its own bond rating to one step above junk bonds. News-shaping doesn't pay. Three cheers for NewsBusters and the internet!
Ain't that what capitalism and free markets are all about?
There is no comparison.....I
July 12, 2007 - 14:43 ET by bigtimerThere is no comparison.....I am sick to death of the noticeable talking point words the leftist defeatist with an agenda for power at the cost of anyone and everyone anywhere that gets in their way...
Non-stop with VietNam, non-stop for awhile of quagmire, non-stop with the latest I have heard, OCCUPATION....these people never stop...ever.
Despicable and pathetic...they are digging their own graves as far as I am concerned.
http://www.canadafreepress.
July 12, 2007 - 16:22 ET by acadia1755http://www.canadafre...
12 July 2007: At around 5:30 pm on July 4, 2007, just a short few
hours prior to nationwide fireworks celebrations in honor of our
Independence Day, 22-year old Senior Airman Jonathan Sckrieken was
standing in the driveway of his rented home in Pennsauken, New Jersey.
Having just returned from leave in his hometown of Columbus, Ohio to
continue his duties as a Loadmaster with the 6th Airlift Squadron at
New Jersey’s McGuire Air Force Base, the last thing on the mind of this
young veteran of operations in Iraq and Afghanistan was the imminent and potentially lethal peril he was confronted with in the next minute.
Another 22-year old man approached from behind. That man was Matthew
J. Marren, also of Pennsauken, N.J. Marren had driven a few blocks from
his home to Schrieken’s residence. He pulled up nearby and walked over
to inquire of Senior Airman Schrieken, “do you live in this house?”
Schrieken replied in the affirmative, to which Marren responded “not
any more” and proceeded to shoot him point blank in the chest. Marren
then shot and killed himself.
The Liberals have become what they hate.