After a two week hiatus, the ladies of "The View" returned to discuss the political issues of the last couple of weeks. Guest co-host Whoopi Goldberg reacted harshly to the president commuting "Scooter" Libby’s 30 month prison sentence. Upon implying that Vice President Cheney has something to hide and Libby will not confess because strange things may happen to them. "look at the old man that went hunting with him," Goldberg said. What all of the co-hosts missed was that Richard Armitage was the source who outed Valerie Plame.
Although Elisabeth Hasselbeck missed the Armitage element, she did mention former President Clinton’s many pardons. Joy Behar dismissed those as "ancient history," but Hasselbeck noted that Clinton is now heavily criticizing President Bush’s actions when Clinton is short on the credibility himself.
Hasselbeck also noted that Libby was not pardoned, but had his sentenced commuted. Although Libby will not have to serve jail time, he still has to pay a $250,000 fine (five times Sandy Berger’s fine for stealing National Archive documents) and two years of probation.
The entire transcript is below.
JOY BEHAR: Paris got more time than "Scooter" Libby. He got no time
WHOOPI GOLDBERG: Don't get me started about "Scooter."
BEHAR: One lies under oath and goes free, the other one drives drunk a couple of times, doesn’t hurt anybody-
ELISABETH HASSELBECK: Wait a minute, did he lie or not remember something about a crime that he didn't even commit?
BEHAR: Oh, oh, oh, okay, okay.
GOLDBERG: But here's the, here’s the real question. Here’s the real question. Will we ever actually get the information? Because-
BEHAR: No.
GOLDBERG: "Scooter" is not going to say where he got that information from. And you know if it's the big guy, you know he's definitely not going to say it. Because you know what happens to people who talk? Look at that old man who went hunting with him.
HASSELBECK: Oh, Whoopi, Whoopi.
GOLDBERG: I'm just saying, I’m just saying.
[Applause]
SHERRI SHEPHERD: I hear you.
GOLDBERG: I’m just saying.
SHEPHERD: Didn't they, they subpoenaed President Bush and the records?
BEHAR: They're not doing that.
GOLDBERG: Excuse me. Didn't you hear that the vice president -- he is not part of the government. What's wrong with you?
BEHAR: No. He's not part of the executive branch.
GOLDBERG: Part of the exec- to me, that's the government. He's not part of the executive branch because he's the head.
HASSELBECK: You’re also acting like "Scooter" Libby gets off. It's $250,000 he has to pay. He’s got two years probation. And everyone’s all over the pardon. Should we go back to mention, do I need to mention the name Rich to anybody during the Clinton administration?
GOLDBERG: Wait a minute. Here’s the, here’s the thing, wait a minute. It, it, it seems to me that the president made a big issue about releasing the names of FBI, CIA and all operatives.
BEHAR: We're gonna smoke 'em out!
GOLDBERG: He made a huge deal about this. And yet here it is, where it should be investigated, someone should look into it and do as the president said he was going to do, make people accountable, and somehow it just kind of feels like this slid past. I think that's what, all joking aside, I think that's what's bothering most people, because this-
HASSELBECK: You think people are upset about the pardon because they feel as though this is kind of like, you know-
BEHAR: Because he said we're going to get them and then he let him go.
HASSELBECK: Every president, even Clinton admitted, that although it may be controversial, they're right to do, to do what he just did to "Scooter," to commute a sentence or a pardon is their right if they think it the sentence is not appropriate.
GOLDBERG: But they're supposed to, they’re supposed to wait.
BEHAR: But can I say something? Let me say one thing about this.
SHEPHERD: Are you upset about something?
BEHAR: Of course. But listen, if you’re the president. Let's say I'm Bush, okay. My numbers are in the toilet. People can't stand me not only in this country, all over the world. This is not a popular thing to do, to commute this sentence. He does it anyway. Ipso facto, I'm covering up. What other reason would he do it?
HASSELBECK: I think he believes the sentence did not match the appropriate or alleged situation.
BEHAR: Okay, then why not shorten the sentence? Why not shorten the sentence?
HASSELBECK: Isn't that what a commuting the sentence is? It’s commuting the sentence.
BEHAR: No, no.
HASSELBECK: He let him out. It's not a complete pardon.
BEHAR: When he’s out of office, we’ll deal with somebody else.
HASSELBECK: They’re not the same thing. This is different.
GOLDBERG: They are two different things, but true. But, but-
HASSELBECK: What about Clinton's pardons? You don’t-
BEHAR: It’s ancient history. We're talking about now.
GOLDBERG: Wait a minute it has nothing to do-
[Applause]
HASSELBECK: It’s ancient history. We'll remember that.
SHEPHERD: I like that Joy will do all the Clinton jokes.
BEHAR: Listen, I do all the Clinton jokes. And Marc Rich, when he pardoned Marc Rich, I was upset.
HASSELBECK: Susan McDougal?
GOLDBERG: Wait. With this particular issue, this is strictly about the president making a statement about smoking out people who release the names of these operatives. That was the goal. The upset here is not whether somebody else got pardoned or who got pardoned. This is about him not following through with something he made sure we all understood. That's what I think more than anything bothering people.
[Applause]
HASSELBECK: Maybe some people feel that way. I don’t think that way.
BEHAR: But as far as dragging Clinton into every conversation, now a days, everybody is like, see, he did it too.
HASSELBECK: Only because he's been extremely critical of President Bush's move when he has actually done the same thing. He’s pardoned his own brother for cocaine trafficking.
BEHAR: Okay, so he’s a big hypocrite as the Bush administration is. Oh great, so big deal.
HASSELBECK: This is, this is a presidential right. That’s all I’m saying. A presidential right that they hold.
GOLDBERG: It is a presidential right. And if we're all going to look at it and if we're going to operate under a gentleman who said I'm going to change the way things are done, it's kind of sad that he's done things the way everybody else has done it.
BEHAR: His nose is growing.
The co-hosts also mentioned former Vice President Al Gore’s son speeding and drug possession citation. Behar felt he ruined Al Gore’s supposedly stellar reputation.
"But why do kids have to screw up their parents like that, right? The guy is on a roll, he's saving the earth, and now this little pest has to come in and, you know, get arrested with his, you know, it’s just obnoxious."



















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Hmmm. And the name of the c
July 9, 2007 - 16:22 ET by GalvanicHmmm. And the name of the culprit is ---- RICHARD ARMITAGE ---- who didn't wait for an investigation to snuff him out. He submitted his name voluntarily to the Department of Justice before Fitzgerald's grand jury began. News must travel very slowly in Hollywood, or wherever it is Goldberg hangs out.
So, Bush's policy was upheld. Libby didn't say anything to Robert Novak.
BTW, that photo of Goldberg and Behar in the same shot ---- Brrrrrr! Please post a warning next time!
Judith Miller testified tha
July 9, 2007 - 16:35 ET by Night WatchmanJudith Miller testified that a month before Richard Armitage outed
Valerie Plame to Novak, Scooter outed Plame to her. It was the KO punch.
watchman...source??/
July 9, 2007 - 16:37 ET by LionKingDo you have a source for this assertion? Dick Armitage admitted he was the leaker...for the non-covert.
"Leaker for... the non-c
July 9, 2007 - 16:42 ET by mattm"Leaker for... the non-covert...." Exactly. There was no crime here. The trial itself is the crime.
Fitzgerald says
July 9, 2007 - 18:16 ET by Night WatchmanFitzgerald says
NW... your point is....?Armit
July 9, 2007 - 18:24 ET by bigtimerNW
... your point is....?
Armitage had admitted this on national television.
Fitzpatrick chose to go ahead knowing who leaked this all for months and months.
Fitz should go the way of Nifong IMO.
BT, There is two sides t
July 9, 2007 - 18:36 ET by Night WatchmanBT,
There is two sides to the Scooter trial, the Rush/Hannity side and the
Fitzgerald. We all know the Rush/Hannity, here's the Fitzgerald.
Scooter belongs in jail.
Fitzgerald says
Fitz is the one who belongs in jail
July 9, 2007 - 18:44 ET by RJIt will never happen, but Fitz is the one who belongs in jail. He knew before he called his first witness who the leaker was. To proceed as he did, with that knowledge, is criminal...and proof that the entire fiasco was a Kangaroo Court.
NW...BS
July 9, 2007 - 18:45 ET by bigtimerNW...
BS
BT,Judith Miller told the G
July 9, 2007 - 19:16 ET by Night WatchmanBT,
Judith Miller told the GJ she forgot what Scooter Libby told her (a month before Armitage told Novak about Plame).
Matt Cooper said Libby told him about Plame (a month before Armitage told Novak about her).
In court, Judith Miller remembered that Libby outed Plame but she didn't write about it (a month before Armitage told Novak).
Libby told the GJ Tim Russert told him about Plame, and he had no idea
who she was, two months after he told Cooper and Miller about her.
Tim Russert told the GJ that never happened.
Ari Flechert told the court Libby outed Plame while having lunch and
talking about the Eagles and the Redskins "it was a weird lunch."
Who First Wrote About Plame
July 9, 2007 - 19:23 ET by PawpawNThe 1st person to write about Plame was Novak, who got his info from Armitage. Seems Russert perjuried himself by saying the conversation "never happened" but later changed that story. If you want the 1st person who outed Plame just in conversation, well that would be Joe Wilson. Any other comments?
I followed it all well NW....
July 9, 2007 - 19:27 ET by bigtimerI followed it all well NW....
Thank you very much.
Not going to argue a dead point with you tonight.
Fitzpatrick should be prosecuted...Armitage should be ousted from anything to do with the public...I am not going to go any further.
I am sick and tired of it all.
Joe and Valerie Wilson should be behind bars...along with others
So what? You seem to think
July 9, 2007 - 18:46 ET by Jack BauerSo what? You seem to think because a prosecutor says something it must be true. Such as, "These three rich white Duke college boys raped a stripper and I'm gonna send em to jail."
Ever hear of prosecutorial misconduct, railroading, malicious prosecution. You are so deranged about this it is clearly not possible to get a coherent argument.
But it's all moot any way. And if Bush has any sense at all, he will fully pardon the guy asap.
What a load... There should
July 10, 2007 - 08:40 ET by steviep831What a load... There should have been no trial for I.Scooter Libby.
I found it very interesting t
July 9, 2007 - 16:32 ET by mvfreemanI found it very interesting that at one time Libby was Marc Rich's lawyer. There's too much inside-the-beltway politicking going on by both parties.
From some polling I saw over at Captains Quarters a lot of people of all political stripes are upset about the commutation. Especially because Bush didn't remotely follow DOJ guidelines for commutations.
And the fact that perjury is...well perjury.
Two things: 1) The case was a
July 9, 2007 - 16:38 ET by mattmTwo things:
1) The case was a political witch-hunt that should have been dismissed as soon as it was determined that Armitage was the leaker.
2) Failing to remember something is not perjury.
I'm upset with the commutation too. The case should be tossed out and Joe Wilson and Co. should go on trial for conspiracy.
intent
July 9, 2007 - 16:40 ET by LionKingI have yet to hear anyone identify intent for Libby to supposedly obstruct THE investigation.
The name Cheney ring a bell?
July 9, 2007 - 16:43 ET by mvfreemanThe name Cheney ring a bell?
And the charge wasn't obstruction but perjury, which could be deemed as giving conflicting statements that don't necessarily impede the investigation.
Why would Cheney ring your be
July 9, 2007 - 16:46 ET by bigtimerWhy would Cheney ring your bell mv?
Armitage was the leaker...you know...Colin Powell's #2 man.
And Cheney isn't a little hig
July 9, 2007 - 16:51 ET by mvfreemanAnd Cheney isn't a little higher up the pecking order than Powell?
Play dumb all you want mv....
July 9, 2007 - 16:58 ET by bigtimerPlay dumb all you want mv.....
I am not going to waste my time quite yet with another obvious trollster....(I have seen your other post already)
Others will....
I may later...lol
So anybody who doesn't confor
July 9, 2007 - 17:10 ET by mvfreemanSo anybody who doesn't conform to your view of things is a troll eh? Whatever floats your boat.
From the posts I've seen you make you're nothing but a self-congratulatory back slapper in what can be a echo chamber circle jerk. It must really make your day to come on here to post about how stupid people are.
Keep on with the "anyone who doesn't agree with me must be stupid librul" meme. It's seems to be the only thing you have.
BTW I am fairly conservative but I don't buy everything either party tries to sell. I try to be above the us or them mentality.
"Fairly conservative&quo
July 9, 2007 - 17:12 ET by Mean Gene Dr. Love"Fairly conservative" is not conservative enough.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." --Thomas Jefferson
Hey, Mean Gene,I may have to
July 9, 2007 - 17:17 ET by BlondeHey, Mean Gene,
I may have to borrow that for a tagline for a while. I like it!
For what? The Bigtimer and Dr
July 9, 2007 - 17:25 ET by mvfreemanFor what? The Bigtimer and Dr mean love Conservative Seal of Approval?
;)
mv...Keep on with the "a
July 9, 2007 - 17:18 ET by bigtimermv...
Keep on with the "anyone who doesn't agree with me must be stupid librul" meme. It's seems to be the only thing you have.
I said no such thing about you....so you are exactly what a typical trollster does here...insinuate that another poster said something they did not.
You are easy to spot out btw.
I didn't say you called me a
July 9, 2007 - 22:19 ET by mvfreemanI didn't say you called me a liberal. You did have the knee-jerk "you're a troll" response. From what I've seen here is that troll=liberal all too many times. I was referring to other posts of yours that I have seen that reflect the sentiment I mentioned. But that would be a lot of the posters here. Scroll down for proof.
Did circle jerk become the ne
July 9, 2007 - 17:29 ET by RESTLESS 1Did circle jerk become the new phrase of the left? Sure have seen this referenced alot lately. I guess they post what they know.
Restless....Howdy...Your last
July 9, 2007 - 17:37 ET by bigtimerRestless....
Howdy...
Your last line says it all...sums it up perfectly as far as I am concerned.
LOL...may as well.
Restless 1:You are correct.I
July 9, 2007 - 17:40 ET by Mica the MagnificentRestless 1:
You are correct.
I too have noticed that the words 'circle jerk' have been given the 'o-k to use' by
the leaders of the trolls when on conservative blogs.
The libs talking points are all one syllable words, if you haven't noticed.
If you haven't noticed "
July 9, 2007 - 22:27 ET by mvfreemanIf you haven't noticed "circle jerk" is three syllables.
Just sayin'.
;)
I'm not sure, I'll have to as
July 9, 2007 - 21:47 ET by mvfreemanI'm not sure, I'll have to ask someone who's on the left.
I'm not sure, I'll have to as
July 9, 2007 - 21:47 ET by mvfreemanI'm not sure, I'll have to ask someone who's on the left.
Leftists and their circuitous jerking
July 9, 2007 - 22:25 ET by Cool ArrowCircle Jerk became popular among leftists when their women decided men were not needed.
Untie, Lydsexic!Ouch. Doubl
July 9, 2007 - 22:32 ET by BlondeUntie, Lydsexic!
Ouch. Double Ouch.
That was vicious in the extreme. Loved it! Do you think Rosie knows about it yet?
}}----> Blonde
July 9, 2007 - 22:37 ET by Cool ArrowI think Rosie's entry into the circle needs to be refilled manually. I just can't see her receiving too many donations at the "pivot position"
That is a mental image nobody
July 9, 2007 - 22:55 ET by mvfreemanThat is a mental image nobody needed.
;)
(shudder!!!)
anyone who doesn't agree wi
July 9, 2007 - 17:46 ET by motherbeltanyone who doesn't agree with me must be stupid librul- mvfreeman
I know this is OT, but I am always interested when I see the term "librul". That's usually meant to be an insult from a liberal who thinks of conservatives as toothless inbreds who can't speak proper English. And I think, that in spite of your "I'm fairly conservative", you're a liberal through and through, because when challenged, instead of refuting the challenge, you went right for the personal insult, a pretty consistent liberal trait (and you can call it stereotyping if you want, I don't care.)
And you would be wrong. I did
July 9, 2007 - 21:56 ET by mvfreemanAnd you would be wrong. I didnt personally insult anyone. If BT is free to call me a troll right off the bat then I'm free to post my opinion of his/her posts.
I'm pro-life, don't believe in gay marriage,love the second amendment, and hate the thought of a nanny state. I'm obviously liberal through and through.
Thanks for proving my point that anyone who doesn't share the same opinion here is automatically branded a liberal.
actually...it was both
July 9, 2007 - 16:54 ET by LionKingObstruction with the FBI and perjury to a Grand Jury (kind of like the former POTUS).
[Still no proof of intent]
I wait anxiously for the appeal process.
As do I. I believe the machin
July 9, 2007 - 17:14 ET by mvfreemanAs do I. I believe the machinations that started this whole "kerfuffle" will never really be known. To much he said/she said ass covering going on by everyone. While I don't think anything illegal went down it was probably something embarrassing as hell politically.
aka WITCH HUNT
July 9, 2007 - 17:17 ET by LionKingIt was nothing more that a political fishing trip turned bad into a witch hunt.
Lion,Way to go, mixing those
July 9, 2007 - 17:19 ET by BlondeLion,
Way to go, mixing those Ted Nugent metaphors!
The only embarrassing thing h
July 9, 2007 - 20:13 ET by general companymvfreeman Says: something embarrassing as hell politically.
The only embarrassing thing here is that, Wilson was hired by the CIA for a fact finding mission and he knowingly lied about the info he retrieved in order to embarrass the President. Every thing after that fact is immaterial as far as I am concerned. Plame and Wilson are felons at the very least, but more then likely traitors. And to be perfectly honest this is about the time Bush started loosing me and the country, because he let the Dems decide the crime. Plus the half a dozen or so other Dem Felons that have yet to be indicted
mattm...speaking of which...I
July 9, 2007 - 16:44 ET by bigtimermattm...
speaking of which...I did notice that Russert had Gregory for a replacement this past Sunday with the subject being this exact topic...of course....
...after-all it was Russert's word against Libby's about time and day of conversation/info.
...the whole thing stinks and has stunk to high heaven from day one...same as the fired 9 Att's.
Armitage also has had free work from Libby in the past I heard...adn he remained silent publicly...oh puhleeeeeze....Fitz-fong should be tried as far as I am concerned, he knew from day one who the so-called leaker was.
Joe and Val have already been proved liars...
"Here’s the real quest
July 9, 2007 - 16:33 ET by mattm"Here’s the real question. Will we ever actually get the information?"
No no, Woopy-doo, the real question was asked by Hasselbeck, and the answer is that Libby failed to remember something about a crime that he didn't commit, and may not even have been a crime to begin with. The whole case was a politically motivated travesty.... The case should have been dismissed...
BTW Woopy-doo, do you ever think we'll get all the info on white-water, or cattle-futures, or Vince Foster or Ron Brown, or Juanita Broderick, or James McDougal, or yada yada yada ....? ...........didn't think so.
Behar is just plain mentally
July 9, 2007 - 16:35 ET by bigtimerBehar is just plain mentally impaired.
Seriously.
How do these type of people survive? Never-mind...
I know one thing...they wouldn't make it long in the real world if they had to depend on themselves in a survival situation....even if they had all instructions and survival gear with them.
Idiots...just plain idiots.
Does she have any kids....by her last statement I have to wonder/
bigtimer.Joy Behar has a daug
July 9, 2007 - 16:41 ET by msh1973bigtimer.
Joy Behar has a daughter (20's or early 30's) from her one and only marriage.
Hey thanks msh....Long time n
July 9, 2007 - 16:56 ET by bigtimerHey thanks msh....
Long time no see...
I just thought that last statement was pretty telling about Behar.
JMO though.
bigtimer,I have not been post
July 9, 2007 - 17:09 ET by msh1973bigtimer,
I have not been posting lately, taking a little break from the madness. As far as Behar and her ilk, lunacy is always rewarded on the left....don't ya know.
LOL...I know what you mean ms
July 9, 2007 - 17:13 ET by bigtimerLOL...
I know what you mean msh...
I too have to take a three or four day break now and then too....
Bloodlust for Libby
July 9, 2007 - 16:37 ET by nkviking75I don't know the President's exact thought process on all of this, but I suspect the commutation was provoked by the judge's insistence that Libby go to jail NOW rather than waiting for the appeals process to play out. What's the urgency in tossing Libby in the slammer? Are they worried he'll unmask other covert agents? By the time that's done, all of this may be a moot point. If the ultimate outcome of the appeals will be Libby's acquittal, he would never get back the time he spent in jail for a charge from which he was cleared.
When you put the clowns in charge, don't be surprised if a circus breaks out.
Excellent point, and probably
July 9, 2007 - 20:19 ET by general companyExcellent point, and probably exactly right
I know a lot of people that t
July 9, 2007 - 16:46 ET by AntiMediaI know a lot of people that think Libby was convicted for outing Plame. They all get their information from the MSM.
I find it quite funny how t
July 9, 2007 - 17:09 ET by BlackwaterI find it quite funny how they label her as an "Operative". She was far from that, she was a desk jockey. No where close to being a "Covert Operative"! Her and her husbands life were not put into jeapordy from the "leak". Stupid stupid stupid!!
Like I've said before....I'
July 9, 2007 - 17:23 ET by charlietexasLike I've said before....I'm glad I don't watch this stupid show. Justin must have an ulcer.
after Whoopie's stint
July 9, 2007 - 17:27 ET by c5thenThey'll have to hire Cindy Sheehan if they want to stick with the same moonbat level.
The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic
c5....That is if Sheehan does
July 9, 2007 - 17:30 ET by bigtimerc5....
That is if Sheehan doesn't whoop Pelosi in the next election!
LMAO!
Sheehan
July 9, 2007 - 22:00 ET by Cool ArrowI would love to see Sheehan beat out Lugosi in her district. It sounds like a perfect opportunity for the true Democrat party to step forward.
Cool....Exactly my sentiments
July 9, 2007 - 22:07 ET by bigtimerCool....
Exactly my sentiments....
....wouldn't it be delicious if the famous leader of the House got trounced by the likes of Sheehan?
Nothing could be better.....well almost nothing....lol
The one thing that can be har
July 9, 2007 - 23:29 ET by jdhawkThe one thing that can be harshly criticized is Whoopi Goldberg's last movie, but then again a movie has to be seen to be criticized . . . has been.
}}----> Whoopi
July 9, 2007 - 23:34 ET by Cool ArrowWhoopi does good works too.
I think she owns that show "Hollywood Squares" where washed out losers get to linger in the public eye giving canned answers to stupid questions.
Jamie Farr to block
UPDATE: There was a huge ch
July 10, 2007 - 07:41 ET by FairlightUPDATE: There was a huge chunk missing from the west coast feed yesterday. ABC did a jumpy edit on joy and much of this did not make it on the air as per the transcript..
Libby's case compared to Marxist attorney Lynne Stewart
July 10, 2007 - 15:45 ET by j17ghsLet's compare Libby's case to Marxist attorney Lynne Stewart (defended by George Soros, for one) who helped the blind sheik while working as his defense attorney on the first WTC attack (in '93). Stewart was convicted of treason for helping to pass messages back and forth between the sheik and terrorists on the outside who would attack us for a third time. Stewart's original lengthy sentence was reduced to less than three years by a Leftist judge, and mainstream media barely noticed -- and didn't complain -- but give a hard-working man like Libby a reduced sentence and the media delights in the politically unethical proliferation of ignorance and propaganda. Whoopi "Cushionmouth" Goldberg and her ilk need to police our own backyard and go after America's enemies, not those who convicted by Stalin-show-trials, and Americans need to educate themselves about the travesty of Libby's "trial" if we're to save the republic.