Live Earth: Last in the Ratings

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It seems not even Al Gore and his stable of celebrity talent could keep Live Earth at the top of the ratings this past weekend. Greg Pollowitz from The Corner has the breakdown from Nielsen Media Research:

Saturday 7/07/07
Note: The following results are based on the fast affiliate ratings (Live Plus Same Day data).

Household Rating/Share
CBS: 3.8/ 8, Fox: 3.0/ 6, ABC: 2.1/ 4, NBC: 1.8/ 4

-Total Viewers:
CBS: 5.21 million, Fox: 4.60, ABC: 3.42, NBC: 2.75

-Adults 18-49:
Fox: 1.5 rating/6 share, ABC and CBS: 1.1/ 4 each, NBC: 0.9/ 3

That's right; NBC had a total of 2.75 million viewers for their three-hour airing of the Live Earth concerts. As a small consolation, they had more viewers than this spot in Brisbane, Australia, where a large outdoor screen had been set up for the anticipated throng.

Perhaps it's just as well for NBC Universal that it donated, among eight of its stations (broadcast and cable) the 75 hours of airtime for the Live Earth extravaganza. Advertisers on NBC last Saturday night certainly wouldn't have been too pleased with the return on their investment.


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ROFLMAO!Priceless....just pri

ROFLMAO!

Priceless....just priceless.

Poor Al...fails again.....

Live Earth a Success

It didn’t take long for NewsBusters (aka ExxonMobil News) and it’s stable of corporate toads and flat-earth posters to try, but fail to discredit the Live Earth event with your shrill rhetoric. Live Earth was officially the largest global entertainment event in history and is only the beginning of a three to five year program to improve our environment.

Your article focuses on prime time ratings for NBCTV, but failed to mention the big picture. MSN broadcast the entire concert series live and experienced more than 15 million video streams on its LiveEarth.MSN.com web site
and the most simultaneous viewers of any online concert ever totaling more than 237,000. Since the beginning of the concert Friday night, MSN has served more than 30 million live and on-demand streams of the Live Earth concerts for climate change. Live Earth was broadcast across television networks in more than 100 countries. In the U.S., NBC Universal dedicated all of its domestic networks to Live Earth on July7th culminating with a Prime Time special that aired on NBC. More than 20 of the world’s leading broadcasters including NBC (US), Shanghai Media Group and CTV (China), BBC (UK), Pro Sieben (Germany), TVGLobo (Brazil), Fuji TV and NHK (Japan), South Africa Broadcast Company
(South Africa) and Foxtel (Australia) dedicated a combined total of more than 100 channels to Live Earth concert coverage. Live Earth was broadcast via radio channels in more than 130 countries. Through a partnership with Premiere Radio Network, four separate radio broadcast programs at 18 hours each were heard on 200 syndicated stations in the U.S. Both XM and SIRIUS satellite radio devoted 8 channels each to carry all concerts and messaging in its entirety for 60 total hours of music. In addition, World Space satellite radio delivered 22 ½ hours of audio content across Africa, Asia and Europe in 134 countries.

NewsBusters crack commentors should should stop drinking Billy Beer long enough to put FOX on ‘pause’ and step outside—being very careful to avoid the wires from thier listing short wave towers—and listen to their neighbors screaming ‘we’re mad as hell and we’re not going to take it any longer’. Wake up, the world is passing you by. Your misguided beliefs date you and you will soon be a footnote in history.

Moron brewski alert.

You are so full of it, but then, you are a flat-earthering Stalinist

(Yes, you are the true heir to the flat-earthers, powerful cabals who claimed there was a consensus to their view, and were not only incapable of listening to contrary views, they fanatically sought to punish those who dared dissent against their views)

It's hard to know where to begin McCarthyite, so I'll just point one clear logical flaw in what passes for thinking in your head.

You can list all the TV and Satellite companies till you blue in the face. The fact that an organization "broadcasts" something to a potential audience doesn't mean they actually had that audience.

If that was the case Joey would still be on air. (SUIT: Hey, okay no one watches it, but the could do if they want. That counts, right? )

Your "reasoning" has to be the most DUMBASS, LAME BRAINED ARGUMENT I've heard in a very long time. In fact, it's so stupid you must be a socialist.

For instance, the BBC can be watched by 55 million people in the UK. While hear on planet earth reality only a measly 2.7 million actually sat down and watched Live Earth. Dead Wrong.

Or, about one seventh of tho 20 million who watched the orginal Live Aid back in 1985.

But please, carry on demonstrating your firm grasp on unreality and self-delusion.

And on a seperate note, why on earth do you give a frack about what people who disagree with your inane and insane views think. If it's all "passing us by" what's it to you? What do you care?

We're the "fringe" right. We can't affect anything, right? We're the "small minority, right? So I'll repeat, what the frack do you care?

Except that you are clearly a fucking Stalinist of the worst kind who gets offended by the very thought we ain't buying your shit, ot the shit you're being fed like the mushroom you clearly are. Right.

Well guess what pal, we DISSENT against totalitarians like you, and we won't be shutting us up this side of hell freezing over, which is quite possible when the next ice age arrives on cue, as it has for millions of years.

And that's despite the McCartyite witchhunts by the likes of you and your pals in BIG MEDIA and all those sucking on the tit of the billions of dollars sloshing around for the people peddling this MMGWing crap.

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For brewski, our committed Socialist

brewski - If you have any intellectual honesty, you will cough up your funding sources. 

Your continual whining about ExxonMobil - a GREAT corporation that allows us to enjoy our high standard of living today at reduced cost (I notice you don't bitch at all about PEMEX, PDVSA, NIOC, or ARAMCO - all state-owned entities that hold more oil than ExxonMobil) - only shows me that you could care less about the environment, science, and all that.  It demonstrates to me that you are nothing more than a looter and a committed Socialist who doesn't see a dime on earth that you don't think is yours to steal. 

MAKE WAY FOR THE SAN ANTONIO SPURS!!!  THE 1999, 2003, 2005, AND 2007 NBA CHAMPIONS!!!!

Reply to Jack Bauer and Unsane

Suppress and demonize. That's the only power you have over those that have a different opinion than you. Hide my comments if you will -- 'it's the totalitarian thing to do!' There is no room for a real debate or discussion on this ExxonMobil-funded website. What's it like to live inside your sad little world Jack "Hollycrud" Bauer" and you, Unsane (sic)?

In the end, your words must reflect deeds. All the slogans and false emotional triggers you boys heap on with such glee will eventually cause the ExxonMobil-funded NewsBusters, Media Research Center, and CNSNews to implode.

For our Socialist representative

Isn't it amazing, my little Socialist, about how you will throw an absolute tantrum if I even LOOK at an ExxonMobil station, yet God help us all if we DARE ask where YOU are getting YOUR funding to spew YOUR propaganda on this website?

Or, where the GW religionist scientists you support are getting their funding?  I can't imagine they are working for free.

Thank you for confirming my suspicion: that you are in fact a committed Socialist who only wants to steal from the successful by any means he can. 

Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.

....

Dickhead brewski.

Dickhead. What are YOU talking about.

Try switching on your comments options to display ALL comments, instead of moderating them, like you clearly do.

Mmmm, guess it's YOU who don't like to see comments that disturb your warped world view.

What a paranoid Stalinist dumb cluck. To stupid to live.

The whole world's not watching.

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Where's my check, dammit??

Dude, your comment's still there, just click "view all" in your options. MY comments, on the other hand, often seem to be 'cloaked' (see the one just below this if you'd like an example). And I get $0.00 from Exxon-Mobil for taking-on both the left and the right here, often at the same time. Where's my check??
JMR

}}----> yo sarc

It's being reported today Vitter's indiscretion occurred before he ran for the senate.  Wonder what a Louisiana boy was doing in DC?

LYDSEXICS UNTIE!

Prediction: Lobbying to get

Prediction: Lobbying to get even more of my taxes spent. /Prediction.
JMR

I was wrong.

I was wrong. Apparently, he was spending my taxes himself. I hereby officially doubt the Vitter-denial about the separate NOLA-prostitute (which was apparently already on the "evil" Wikipedia even before it got updated with his DC-ho today) and I further proclaim the right to make bad sex-jokes about him right-here until Vitter either resigns or is defeated, just in case anyone here somehow-thinks I won't be taking a swing at a T-ball humor-opportunity as-easy as this one...
JMR

Vitter a congressman

I believe Vitter was a congressman before he became a Senator.

If conservatives are RIGHT, then liberals must be WRONG.
Thompson/Rice

Hey, has anyone seen Sarc a

Hey, has anyone seen Sarc around here lately? I think he accidentally set his cloaking device to overdrive.

/weak attempt at humor Off

~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
Fred Thompson and Ann Coulter walk into a bar. The bar is instantly destroyed because that much awesome cannot be contained in one building.

}}----> stealth sarc

I think he's flying below the radar. Travelling to and fro seeking whom he may devour.  Haven't seen him, but in the absence of fowl entrails, I did read one of his droppings.

LYDSEXICS UNTIE!

My admittedly-weak googling

My admittedly-weak googling-attempts came up with nothing, but does anyone here know where at least one of those old Mobil-not-Exxon ads is on the 'net? I *know* I recall ads in the late '70s and early '80s that were just excellent justifications for capitalism. These were classic, black and white, text-intensive magazine ads aimed at actual readers. Where'd they all go?? If we're going to drive a random lefty nuts today with oil company propaganda, we may as well go "old school" and do it right! :)
JMR

Have you looked at veoh.com

Have you looked at veoh.com ? (Yet another Youtube rip-off)

No, these were all print ad

No, these were all print ads, I don't recall any video commercials that were pro-capitalist (I'da probably messed my pants!). I think I'm finding nothing because they were all just-before the internet happened, and nobody's saved 'em in electronic form. Or I just sometimes suck at searching for what I want.
JMR

Probably not scanned and po

Probably not scanned and posted by anyone. :-(

~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
Fred Thompson and Ann Coulter walk into a bar. The bar is instantly destroyed because that much awesome cannot be contained in one building.

sarc

Drive the Lefties crazy after they've exhausted themselves damning Cheney/Halliburton.  Then ask them to google the simultaneous rise of LBJ and Halliburton.  Or Lady Bird Johnson's current substantial interest in Big Hal.

LYDSEXICS UNTIE!

This and and an age-comment.

This and and an age-comment. You're really trying to get me started, aren't you?? Anyway, sadly, I must go just as we were starting to have fun, but I'll be back!
JMR

Ask and ye shall receive!

Ask and ye shall receive!

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

}}----> Dang mightymouth

Ain't nobody that old!

LYDSEXICS UNTIE!

"Ain't nobody that old

"Ain't nobody that old!"

ahhem, can you say "Tumbler"?

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

No, those are too old, and

No, those are too old, and too good-looking. IIRC, these were just black and white text (but it's been a long time, so I might be mistaken on that). It looks like those guys don't sell magazines as young as we'd need to see the ad, or if they do their search function doesn't find "Mobil."
JMR

}}----> Sinclair Dino

You can trust your car to the man who wears the star.  The big bright TEXACO star.

LYDSEXICS UNTIE!

sarc -- your check is in the

sarc -- your check is in the post. It is signed by my secret identity E. Xxon-Gas.

Clearly the dumb cluck doesn't want to do that -- else how can he prevent other posters from appearing on his screen! 

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Viewing comments

Thanks for your advice on viewing preferences. By the way, your check is in the mail!

Here's AP's take on numbers/So go Ski!!

http://apnews.excite.com/article/20070709/D8Q9BF5G0.html

Hey Ski, what about those #s?  How much money taken in since you seem to know more than the rest of us?

Live Earth

Live Earth was not a fund drive. No pledges for money, only pledges by individuals to act more responsibly and work toward improving our envirnonment. Sponsors dollars and ticket sales for the events went to offset costs of the event.

"dollars and ticket sale

"dollars and ticket sales for the events went to offset costs of the event"

And whose pocket does the money go into when the "offsets" are purchased?

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." --Thomas Jefferson

Profits

As I understand it, any profits go to the Alliance for Climate Protection, a 503(c) non-profit. The Alliance is only supposed to stay in business for three years and use the money to increase awareness of issues related to climate change. The Board and advisors include, among others, former Vice-President Al Gore; Brent Scowcroft (former Ford and Bush National Security Adviser); Teddy Roosevel IV, a managing director of Lehman Brothers; and Lee Thomas, retired President and COO of Georgia-Pacific Corp.

If carbon offsets were purchased for the events, Al Gore did not profit as he and his investment company based in England own no stock in the companies that sell carbon offsets. The contention that he profits is a widely circulated myth.

brewski: And what exactly doe

brewski: And what exactly does all this "increased awareness" contribute to the planet?

Considering the list of sponsors for the event, I'd say the only awareness that's being increased is product placement.

We are not interested in the possibilities of defeat. - Queen Victoria

And to think some people cla

And to think some people claim leftist dupes are humorless jerks. I'm begging you, get therapy, fast, ya sad paranoic.

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He and Moore could go on the

He and Moore could go on the buddy-plan to Cuber and get help eh Jack....

LMAO!

He and Moore could go on the

double post

To tell you the truth, free

To tell you the truth, free marketeers like me miss the OLD pre-evil-Exxon-merger Mobil Oil ads from the '70s and '80s. Those were often well-written capitalist classics that universally drove lefties nuts. This site's probably only a minor irritant by comparison, since -- among other things -- you can freely post here too.
JMR

brewski, Is it just me, or

brewski,

Is it just me, or is there one obvious problem with your argument. You know the one where you assume that the motivation behind broadcasting this concert (by those big evil companies) was the same as the motivation of those who created or cared about the concert.

Right. We're mad as hell and we're not going to take it any longer. I'm sure that's what those (big evil) broadcast systems were thinking because they're really really concerned about the future of the Earth - and not that they figured that they could make a buck by selling this to just about every teenager, college student and ex-hippy on the planet.

By the way, how did that Live Aid thing work out for you guys?

Oh, just so you know, it makes you look desperate when you put that much effort into trying to convince everyone how much the world cared about this. In the real world - you know, where people deal with things like caring for their kids and paying their bills and going to work - most people really don't care.

But you let me know when that world of yours passes me by. I'll be sure to make a note of it on a post-it and put it on my fridge.

So much for 2 billion

Here is the UK and the US.

If conservatives are RIGHT, then liberals must be WRONG.
Thompson/Rice

LK - I noticed the BBC's expl

LK - I noticed the BBC's explanation: "The BBC blamed the poor figures on Saturday's good weather and said its Wimbledon tennis coverage had drawn away afternoon viewers". Deny, Deny, Deny. Anything to keep from facing reality.

What are they denying? They a

What are they denying? They are basically admitting that people had better things to do or watch. When there is a lack of interest people tend to change the channel or go outside to do something.

They are denying the obvious

They are denying the obvious -- people simply have had it with this AGW crap. They (the BBC) are putting the blame on transient factors (good weather, yeah right!) rather than recognizing the possibility at least that the whole idea is, perhaps, very unattractive, extremently hypocritical.

mv...NOBODY cared to watch a

mv...

NOBODY cared to watch a bunch of la-la land idiots or Albore who is a liar with an agenda.

....got it?

He lost bigtime.....AGAIN!

No one thinks the planet is going to be heading to disaster by CLIMATE CHANGE...if they did...there would of been PARTICIPATATION!

If your reading comprehension

If your reading comprehension was better you would have noticed that my post said exactly that...people were not interested.

And perhaps you missed my other post which said the same thing you are saying.

Scroll down.

And not to nit pick but an estimate of 2 million people (bored and gullible as they may be) is not NOBODY.

}}----> I confess, bigtimer

I would have stayed indoors and watched 24 hours of Live Earth except the weather here in West Texas was so gloriously beautiful I couldn't bring myself to worship at the Altar of Gore without insulting The Almighty God who has made this Spring and Summer so irresistable.

LYDSEXICS UNTIE!

Sadly the weather here in eas

Sadly the weather here in east Texas was mostly rainy but got the chance to do some bike riding and enjoy a park for at least half a day.

After the killer bike ride (all of 12 miles) I think my wife wishes it had rained all day. Heh!

KNOWN FACTS

They knew what was happening on the weekend of this.  Why now use as an excuse!  Face it, people watch good events-people turn off to bad events.  Heck didn't more people watch the ESPN "HOT DOG EATING CONTEST" than this fluff!! 

They know nothing about timin

They know nothing about timing!

This concert or whatever it was supposed to be was up against a nascar race, I'm betting the race had many more millions watching.

The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.

Sounds like good ol' tennis g

Sounds like good ol' tennis got more ratings Ct....

LOL...

...either way..it was horrendous...what I watched of it.

Btw...for the most part of the people I heard speaking they have absolutely Nada going on upstairs....and they have the audacity to tell us what type of light bulbs to use at home?..these people who aren't the brightest bulbs on this planet...

...too rich....

bigtimer,Yes like Cameron Dia

bigtimer,

Yes like Cameron Diaz., what a ditz...."like by just turning out the lights when we leave a room we can save so much energy", OMG". I shouldn't make fun, but give me a break, we are suppose to take these people serious?

Oh I caught that interview la

Oh I caught that interview late at night msh...a repeat but nevertheless...I wrote about that bimbo yesterday and what she said...

Unbelievable....you know what I mean...we can all communicate now when I say bloppiedy blop blop blop..they know what I mean when I speak the GW language...bloppidy bop bloppidy....more and more of us are being able to relate with words now...

What a ditz...change a bulb would ya?

Upstairs Cameron...upstairs....

bigtimer,My husband actually

bigtimer,

My husband actually saw her, but I think what she said was that she turned the water off when she brushes her teeth...

This concert or whatever it w

This concert or whatever it was supposed to be was up against a nascar race, I'm betting the race had many more millions watching.

Clear Thinker, yeah they were at Daytona. Gulianni was there, looks like Rudy got more viewers than Gore.

GoreSpin: "We don't need

GoreSpin: "We don't need ratings. The whole thing was a success -- everybody is now more aware. In fact, the low ratings only proves one thing -- everyone was saving energy by turning off the electricity".

An astounding success.

</Gorespin>

Most people aren't willing to

Most people aren't willing to give up their Saturday night to watch a bunch of over-exposed entertainers shill for a cause they don't buy to begin with.

Summer rating always suck anyway. Who wants to sit around the house watching TV?  There are plenty of other things to do.

Summer ratings

The generally poor summer ratings is probably why NBC went out on a limb to give the air-time away.

Leon, Dave High?  Care to co

Leon, Dave High?  Care to comment?

Yeah, logic, reason, facts play less of a role now in the way we make decisions in America. – Al Gore and his 2 BILLION

Anybody have the global viewi

Anybody have the global viewing statistics?

Oh and the other thing I thought, is saturday a good night for ratings traditionally?

I don't know about anybody else, but I can't tell you the last time I watched tv on a saturday night. Don't people normally have things to do on that night?

Especially the people that would be more likely to watch Live Earth, aka younger people (like 25 - 35)? They weren't watching b/c they were out and about doing the party thing.

I saw parts of it...at the bar I was in.

Roger....Bingo!I am roaring w

Roger....

Bingo!

I am roaring with laughter here....for that I thank you sir...

Just another in a long line o

Just another in a long line of ratings disasters for NBC.  I again would request that exisitng laws be applied to and enforced against NBC for failure to disclose and report this as a contribution to the democrat party.

ps this web page is awful, it jumps around and is really frustrating.

2 million, 2 billion, what's the difference???

Lets see, we have the leftists screaming 2 billion watched this.

2.75 million watched NBC. That's the count for America, where the biggest audience was expected.

I heard a figure of 10 million watched it on the web (for how long, who knows).

Let's be generous and say 15 million attended in person.

Let's be real generous and call that 30 million.

Where are the other 1,970 million people watching?

D


I don't support our liberals or their mission.

DFTT -- and as I mentioned

DFTT -- and as I mentioned on another thread, over here in jolly old England the BBC mustered another 2.7 million.

(About 20 million watched the original Live Aid in 1985 in the UK)

So here you have the TWO biggest TV markets for English speaking rock/pop audiences who managed a pathetic 5.2 MILLION between them.

US pop 300 million, UK pop 65 million. So that makes the combined audience 1.7% of the population, or 98.3% found something better to do.

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HiJack....I just love those n

Hi Jack....

I just love those numbers at times like this...

Read em' and weep Al...read em' and weep

In fact cry us a river....an enviro friendly one while you are at it....

....You know these numbers/facts will be ignored....as only the left can do so well.

hey BT. I know. The more yo

hey BT. I know. The more you analyze the figures the more laughable it becomes.

Here's another thought I've just had -- it' an original world. Copyright pending...

Don't PCs use way more electrical power than a TV. My desktop has a 700watt PSU then there's the monitor on top of that.

So if the excuse is that 10 million watched via the internet, then think of all the extra electrical generation needed, and then of all the extra CO2 produced as a result.

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What a thought!Now I am reall

What a thought!

Now I am really laughing out loud Jack....

What do the ratings even me

What do the ratings even mean anyway? For all we know, a million of those people tuned in and were bored out of their minds OR couldn't stand the hateful ignorant crap coming out of their mouths. I bet the average viewing time was less than 2 hours.

How Much Made To Donate?

Based on this story: http://apnews.excite.com/article/20070709/D8Q9BF5G0.html

How much was made and donated to the cause?  Where's that figure?

I can imagine a conversatio

I can imagine a conversation in an African "third world" country. man- "What were these concerts for?" other man- "I'm not sure, they kept singing and telling us to turn off our lights" man- "What lights?" other man- " I don't know, but when we get lights, we are to turn them off" man- "Stange people aren't they?"

 I just found this site Now

 I just found this site Now you can figgure out your CARBON FOOTPRINT lmao.... Also you can set your water heater to 130 ( mine is 120 already) and doing so will get  the site "points" for doing so!

OH by the way I  rate "much larger than average"  on the carbon scale of theirs,  THEY got this figgered to the hundredths of  ah TON

total crock , things like electricy use based on dollar amount, that don't work for me.

Hah, what a bunch of crock.

Hah, what a bunch of crock. I did my "calculation" and came up with 4.8 tons. I live by myself in a 500 sq ft. apartment, my electricity bill is around 40 dollars a month, and I drive a 4 cylinder S-10 around 4.5k miles each year. Which by the way wasn't an option to chose.

How can they calculate what you are putting into the air via your car without taking into account the size of your engine. The 4.3L V6 doesn't get near as good gas mileage as the 2.2L 4 banger. Hell, even an idiot liberal could tell you that.

<insert something clever>

I refused to take that carbon

I refused to take that carbon test. One of the questions was "what % of energy comes from clean sources such as solar and wind"?

Well, I live in a state where most of my electricity comes from carbon-neutral nuclear! I consider that source very green. Why isn't it on this elitist list, huh?

What a bunch of narrow-eyed slithering elitist fools.

Nuclear power is not green

Nuclear power plants may not directly emit large amounts of CO2, but if you look at the lifecycle of a nuclear power station its environmental impact is very significant.

Take time to become informed before you speak.

...yet I don't see you

...yet I don't see you Socialists whining at a nation that gets 78.5% of their power from nukes.  That would be France.   

Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.

Take time to become informed

Take time to become informed before you speak.

That's rich, coming from an ignorant dumb cluck who can't even work out how to see his own comments on Newsbusters.

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brewski: What do you mean whe

brewski: What do you mean when you say "if you look at the lifecycle of a nuclear power plant, its environmental impact is very significant"?

I presume you're talking about the problem of disposing of spent fuel? The nuclear power plant itself is a very clean method of producing power. And the other considerations that opponents like to bring up is the effect of the warm water released from cooling towers. All in all, nuclear power is much cleaner and has less impact on the environment than fossil fuels. Funny that I don't hear much concern here in the U.S. about all the nuclear powered subs and aircraft carriers that we have cruising all over the world.

Please expand.

We are not interested in the possibilities of defeat. - Queen Victoria

Nuclear power

First, than you for your civilized tone - not what I usually get on this website. Spent fuel has it's own problems, but like any power source (including renewables), the nuclear facilities to produce and distribute the elctricity need to be built. Nuclear plants require an enormous amount of energy to build and they also have to be decommssioned. In addition, mineral ores must be collected and processed to produce nuclear fuel. These processes are either directly powered by diesel and gasoline engines, or draw electricity from othe power grid which may be generated from fossil fuels. Non-renewable uranium ore is in limited quantity and as the high-grade reserves are used up the lower-grade ores require more energy to mine and process. Most estimates place overall CO2 contribution - at present - below fossil fuel power generation, but higher than renewables. At best, nuclear power's contribution to reducing CO2 would be short term and very expensive. The Bush administration is so desperate to start bulding plants in the U.S. that they are proposing a new plan of 'insurance' that would eliminate all financial risk to foreign companies wanting to build in the U.S. If nuclear is so great, why do we have to do that?

We can sit around for years w

We can sit around for years weighing the pros and cons of nuclear energy, but the fact is that we already have the manufacturing facilities and the technology to build these plants. Arguing on the basis of what resources will be necessary to build the facilities doesn't make sense. The final result is worth the investment.

Foreign companies are currently ahead of the U.S. in the number of plants online. We can't go forward fast enough on our own. There are American companies already signed on with the U.S. NRC and the DOE once the orders start coming in. The fact that our government must consider certain agreements with foreign companies is a result of the threat of litigation that hangs over any enterprise in the U.S. that the media and the enviros deem "dangerous".

"At best, nuclear power's contribution to reducing CO2 would be short term and very expensive."

Why do you say "short term"? As far as expensive: Are we to disregard any solution because it might be "too expensive"? Either it's worth the effort or it's not. If the planet is in the sort of danger that Al Gore & Co. claim, shouldn't we be willing to do what we can to solve our energy problem? Raising awareness and skimping on toilet paper aren't real solutions. The problem won't be solved by retreating into the past.

We are not interested in the possibilities of defeat. - Queen Victoria

The problem is that the Chi

The problem is that the Chinese & South Africans seem to be developing the best idea, IMO. I just hope they both make zillions of 'em, and make 'em fit into one or 2 shipping containers, so they can go anywhere. Pebble Bed reactors are IMO as safe as nukes can get (which means you still need to guard them carefully against lunatics). It would be very good for the world, and very bad for Islamofascism and the oil companies both, if these reactors became very popular very fast, IMO.
JMR

I'd like to add the following

I'd like to add the following links to the discussion:

World Nuclear

Cost of Nuclear plants vs. Coal-fired

We are not interested in the possibilities of defeat. - Queen Victoria

Thanks. And at the risk of li

Thanks. And at the risk of linking to Wikipedia twice in the same thread, this is full of good stuff. I'd love to own a reactor, possibly with others, and never pay for electricity again. It's a dream...
JMR

Investment (construction and

Investment (construction and maintenance) and mining costs spread out over a 30-60 year operational cycle of a power plant are worth it, considering the energy produced over its life-cycle. A nuclear facility also has a relatively small footprint when compared with solar and wind. And, solar and wind require storage facilities since they do not produce constant output -- and the manufacturing of these storage facilities decreases their "green" qualities.

In addition, nuclear is a proven commodity. It is clean. And there are safe ways to dispose of the nuclear waste. So far, after many, many years, solar and wind have proven to be problems -- so many, in fact, that they still aren't practical for serious, large-scale continuous operations.

But my point wasn't to compare solar, wind, and nuclear. My point was that nuclear is purposfully left off the list by lefties because they think it is "bad". This is a full-fledged political statement that completely ignores the benefits of nuclear in favor of political correctness. In my opinion, it totally disqualifies the "greenies" from helping this country make energy decisions. Until they stop their one-sided and biased arguments, they should be relegated to observers and not active participants. Who are they to tell me that nuclear isn't good?

Well said, TnT.We are not int

Well said, TnT.

We are not interested in the possibilities of defeat. - Queen Victoria

TnT -- and don't forget, wind

TnT -- and don't forget, wind is a finite resource.

There's only a certain amount to go around.

So the more wind farms America produces, the less the wind will blow in third world countries. It's a zero sum game. America is stealing wind from impoverished nations.

Think of the children.

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I must disagree, Jack. The ha

I must disagree, Jack. The halls of Congress are a constantly renewable source of wind power. (I know. Easy joke.)

We are not interested in the possibilities of defeat. - Queen Victoria