On Sunday, New York Times economics columnist David Leonhardt reviewed the new book "More Sex is Safer Sex: The Unconventional Wisdom of Economics" by Steven Landsburg, a regular contributor to the liberal site Slate.com. Leonhardt panned the book as too cute and too far afield from the "dismal science" of economics, but the Times book editors gave the Landsburg thesis an excerpt on the Times website. According to Landsburg, people who are chaste and monogamous (who practice "extreme sexual conservatism") cause the spread of AIDS through the "sin of self-restraint." The excerpt begins:
It's true: AIDS is nature's awful retribution for our tolerance of immoderate and socially irresponsible sexual behavior. The epidemic is the price of our permissive attitudes toward monogamy, chastity, and other forms of extreme sexual conservatism. You've read elsewhere about the sin of promiscuity. Let me tell you about the sin of self-restraint.
Story Continues Below Ad ↓Consider Martin, a charming and generally prudent young man with a limited sexual history, who has been gently flirting with his coworker Joan. As last week's office party approached, both Joan and Martin silently and separately entertained the prospect that they just might be going home together. Unfortunately, Fate, through its agents at the Centers for Disease Control, intervened. The morning of the party, Martin happened to notice one of those CDC-sponsored subway ads touting the virtues of abstinence. Chastened, he decided to stay home. In Martin's absence, Joan hooked up with the equally charming but considerably less prudent Maxwell - and Joan got AIDS.
When the cautious Martin withdraws from the mating game, he makes it easier for the reckless Maxwell to prey on the hapless Joan. If those subway ads are more effective against Martin than against Maxwell, they are a threat to Joan's safety. This is especially so when they displace Calvin Klein ads, which might have put Martin in a more socially beneficent mood.
Economics aside, this does not morally compute. Would the Times book editors pluck out of obscurity a tome that argued that people who don’t drive cause global warming? Pacifists cause wars? Vegetarians cause the mass slaughter of chickens? But there, on the Times website, Landsburg is unloading purple prose: "If multiple partnerships save lives, then monogamy can be deadly." His language grew even more colorful, comparing chastity to pollution:
Martin's chastity is a form of pollution -- chastity pollutes the sexual environment by reducing the fraction of relatively safe partners in the dating pool. Factory owners pollute too much because they have to breathe only a fraction of their own pollution; Martin stays home alone too much because he bears only a fraction of the consequences.
Leonhardt is right on the broad point that it’s clumsy for economists who want to apply their theories to every facet of life, as if market principles could explain the mysteries of every human action. I’d add the intangibles like emotion, and religious faith. Consider the dry academic approach of this Landsburg passage:
If you are a monomaniac whose goal is to minimize the prevalence of AIDS, then you should encourage Martin to have more sex. But if you are a sensible person whose goal is to maximize the difference between the benefits of sex and the costs of AIDS - then you should encourage Martin to have even more sex.
To an economist, it's crystal clear why people with limited sexual pasts choose to supply too little sex in the present: their services are underpriced. If sexual conservatives could effectively advertise their histories, HIV-conscious suitors would compete to lavish them with attention. But that doesn't happen, because conservatives are hard to identify. Insufficiently rewarded for relaxing their standards, they relax their standards insufficiently.
But the exchange of sexual pleasure isn’t a mere economic transaction, like buying a Mac or a Big Mac. For example, if Martin and Joan have sex, and Martin never talks to Joan again, was it a "socially beneficent" act? Landsburg’s simple-minded thesis that more sex is almost always good also ignores the less than "socially beneficent" facts like abortions, sexually transmitted diseases, pornography, and prostitution, not to mention the emotional wreckage that one-night stands or serial adultery can cause.
Landsburg clearly has no variable for religion, a major factor in the spread of that "immoderate and socially irresponsible" trend of monogamy and chastity. He has not pondered that for religious people, armed with a sincere aspiration to avoiding the eternal consequences of sin, there is no convincing argument for casual dabbling in "safe" sin or "socially beneficent" sin. The notion of a "sin of self-restraint" turns religion upside down – which is actually a fairly common acrobatic practice in the pages of the New York Times.
—Tim Graham is Director of Media Analysis at the Media Research Center



















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All the same, could someone f
July 9, 2007 - 12:48 ET by Hero SquadAll the same, could someone forward a copy of "More Sex is Safer Sex" to Mrs. Hero Squad?
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I'm READY
July 9, 2007 - 13:32 ET by the mad poleMrs. Mad Pole trained me to be ready at all times. I've been on stand-by for over 25 years. So I guess abstinence can be a part time gig
Mother Grim will kill me if s
July 9, 2007 - 15:21 ET by Challenger GrimMother Grim will kill me if she ever heard me type this...
But sometimes isn't it obvious why ancient men had concubines?
Seriously though, this might be a good opportunity to talk about unintended consequences etc that apply even more so in relationships. I mean, women think they're the only ones with needs?
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This is such a convoluted way
July 9, 2007 - 13:03 ET by nnptcgradThis is such a convoluted way of thinking that after reading it several times, I still don't get it.
Are they saying all women are sluts, and if they don't have sex with one guy, they'll automatically run out and pick one at random because they can't help themselves?
Are they saying that not risking getting AIDS means you are giving those who choose to risk it AIDS as if you're holding them down and injecting them with tainted blood?
Or are they saying it doesn't matter, have sex all you want because they want everybody to have AIDS so those with it won't feel discriminated against?
Nope, sorry I'm going to be a selfish bastard and still not have sex even though I'm past 25, and been through the Navy. Guess I caused a number of people to get AIDS. Haha, suckers.
Mother nature is a bitch - Ninth Corollary of Murphy's Law
grad???
July 9, 2007 - 13:07 ET by LionKing"This is such a convoluted way of thinking that after reading it several times, I still don't get it."
Until you get your lobotomy, you can not understand liberals. Logic and reason have no place in liberal-speak; you must be crazy, emotional, or mentally deficient to understand a liberal.
Logic hole.
July 9, 2007 - 14:29 ET by ArcherBThere is a hole in this guy's logic (pun not intended!). What this guy is suggesting is to become uber-promiscuous in order to prevent your would-be partner from going home with someone who has a disease. However, if this author tried to write a happy ending (again, pun not intended), he'd have all three characters go home together, video tape the whole ordeal and not only have three infected people, but a you-tube video to go along with it!
If you hamper the war effort of one side, you automatically help out that of the other. --George Orwell
To my knowledge, none of the
July 9, 2007 - 13:18 ET by Mean Gene Dr. LoveTo my knowledge, none of the people I haven't slept with (but had the opportunity to) haven't been infected with AIDS.
It doesn't add up. The author is trying to assuage whatever guilt he feels for being promiscuous himself. Or trying to convince someone he'd like to 'nail' that it's the right thing to do--do it to stop the spread of AIDS. If you want to stop AIDS, have sex! (Sounds vaguely familiar to Madonna saying, "If you want to stop Global Warming, then jump up and down!")
I really don't care if someone gets AIDS from having sex. I'm monogamous and so is my wife, and as long as we stay monogamous, neither of us will ever contract AIDS through sex. But those that can't control themselves and will seek to have sex whenever they crave it at whatever the cost, then too bad for them, they can never be a certain that they will never contract AIDS (or anything else) through uninhibited sex.
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We have a winner for the illo
July 9, 2007 - 13:04 ET by RightOfMostWe have a winner for the illogical logic award for 2007 and perpetuity!
"I'll take 'Stopping Spread of Disease' for $400, Alex."
"Abstinence."
"What is 'How to stop AIDS'?"
Did I just lose four c-notes? According to Mr. Landsburg!
Sorry, John, and Harry, and Nancy, the Surge is working!!
Is that what an editorial l
July 9, 2007 - 13:05 ET by Free StinkerIs this what an editorial looks like when the author was stoned?
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Fred Thompson and Ann Coulter walk into a bar. The bar is instantly destroyed because that much awesome cannot be contained in one building.
"...chastity pollutes th
July 9, 2007 - 13:05 ET by mattm"...chastity pollutes the sexual environment by reducing the fraction of relatively safe partners in the dating pool."
This assumes that "dating" necessarily includes sex. Besides, the statement is absurd on it's face. If you think of dating as including sex, then you have to assume no one in the "dating pool" is safe. If you regard dating as a way of finding a mate, then chastity would increase the fraction of "safe partners," or rather, potential mates.
This guy's thesis is intellectual pollution - at best.
Reading those excerpts just c
July 9, 2007 - 13:15 ET by GabeReading those excerpts just cost me two IQ points...
I'd pick it apart, but that would require that I a)decipher it enough to unravel ALL of its logical fallacies and b)commit more time to it. Since I want to save my own sanity, I will opt for the more economical decision of c) running as far away from that steaming pile of stupidity as I can.
I just sent it to a good frie
July 9, 2007 - 15:24 ET by Challenger GrimI just sent it to a good friend who is studying to teach economics (he loves it THAT much - it is sick and disturbing).
I should stop by his house later and see if his head exploded.
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So the take-home (if you beli
July 9, 2007 - 13:20 ET by taznarSo the take-home (if you believe this crap) is that the next time there's an epidemic, the best thing to do is for everyone to mingle with as many people as possible to "dilute" the number of infected people.
The whole thing is retarded and based on the false assumption that the disease (like goods/services/money) is a finite and limited "resource".
This is all part of the plan
July 9, 2007 - 13:21 ET by c5thenblack is white, up is down, bad is good, etc. etc.
The Scriptures clearly state that HaSatan, the great enemy and deceiver, wishes nothing more than to trick everyone into cutting themselves off from God.
In Revelation, it clearly states that a false religion will be forced upon the world in the end times. That religion is islam, in my opinion. Islam is the only religion that I am aware of that promotes the idea that someone can be forced to be a follower against their will.
Those who are in Satan's camp, would like nothing better then to trick people into thinking that the moral choice is wrong and the immoral choice is right
The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic
Amen, brother.
July 10, 2007 - 15:50 ET by nuttyAmen, brother.
I Timothy 4:1-2 "The Spirit makes it clear
that as time goes on, some are going to give up on the faith and chase
after demonic illusions put forth by professional liars. These liars
have lied so well and for so long that they've lost their capacity for
truth." (The Message)
Finally, a way I can stick
July 9, 2007 - 13:25 ET by AtheistRepublicanFinally, a way I can stick to my morals and values and still cause suffering!
Seriously, what in the world is this guys problem? Abstinence is about protecting yourself not all the promiscues (excuse my spelling, please?) people in the world and making your relationship with your chosen SPOUSE more special.
Leonhardt is an idiot. His pr
July 9, 2007 - 13:37 ET by Mean Gene Dr. LoveLeonhardt is an idiot. His presumption goes totally against the principles of chance and odds.
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Hmmm... Leonhardt.... LEO
July 9, 2007 - 13:54 ET by JerryHmmm... Leonhardt.... LEONhardt... LEON?? Same perverse logic. Co-incidence? Or Not?
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
I think you are on to somethi
July 9, 2007 - 14:13 ET by vrwc13I think you are on to something, simple and plain.
As obvious as the face on y
July 9, 2007 - 14:20 ET by MightyMouthAs obvious as the face on your nose.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Sometimes I think, why do we
July 9, 2007 - 13:42 ET by dscottSometimes I think, why do we bother with liberals at all as thou there was a chance of changing their mind by revealing some previously unknown or unconsidered fact? When someone who thinks truth is being slick enough to convince any fool of anything, we are dealing with a con artist at worst or dimmwhit at best. This guy exemplifies what's wrong with liberalism these days, neither the facts or truth are the conclusion of debate, just the line of argument that people will be tricked into through clever words. Whatever happened to the liberals of old like Moynahan who could be reasoned with logic?
“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius
Whaaaa?
July 9, 2007 - 13:47 ET by shannon20Whaaaa?
HUH?? I guess that conven
July 9, 2007 - 13:52 ET by JerryHUH??
I guess that convenient store clerks are getting killed because law abiding citizens are not robbing convenient stores.
If more law abiding citizens would rob convenient stores, they would be less likely to be hit by a criminal who is more likely to "off" the clerk.
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
Al was right...Yeah, logic, r
July 9, 2007 - 14:31 ET by vrwc13Al was right...
Yeah, logic, reason, facts play less of a role now in the way we make decisions in America. – Al Gore
Religious and moral analysis
July 9, 2007 - 14:28 ET by KC MulvilleReligious and moral analysis aside, the logic is ridiculous, so let’s ridicule it.
It goes on and on …
Ben: "What is that Gawd-
July 9, 2007 - 14:46 ET by Ruths husband BenBen: "What is that Gawd-awful smell"
Leon: "Oh, that's me, I farted."
Ben: "Man, you need to get yourself checked out! My farts don't smell near that bad."
Leon: "Well it's your fault for not preemptively farting. If you had, I wouldn't have had to."
chasity pollutes
July 9, 2007 - 14:56 ET by zoro7957Logical reasoning has just been turned on it's head.....simply amazing.
That's nothing, try arguing w
July 9, 2007 - 14:58 ET by dscottThat's nothing, try arguing with a teenager who wants something even though they know you aren't about to give it to them. The irrationale is hillarious!! LOL
“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius
I think it's only topped by a
July 9, 2007 - 15:28 ET by Challenger GrimI think it's only topped by a parent trying to justify an action for no reason other than, "I have no idea what you're talking about."
(C'mon dad! It'll be totally cool to plug our DVD player into the sound system and run it through the house!)
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I really don't know if this
July 9, 2007 - 15:50 ET by JungusI really don't know if this has been touched on yet, so please forgive if I am repeating someone.
But how in the hell can you tell me that Martin is the "sinner" when he makes a simple choice that does not (lets face it) affect Joan. While at the same time Maxwell the man-slut is totally innocent when he knowingly infects Joan with a death virus.
Is this based off of some crazy religion where contraction of AIDS resoves one of all sins? And what can you say about Joan that can't keep her legs together for one single night? While what she did may or may not be immoral (she might have had every right to trust Maxwell based on her best information) but this is certainly not Martin's fault.
I sometimes think that liberals look at simple day to day choices made (by non-left wing media darlings of course) by people to be the same as an act of pure malevolent intent. Such as not separating your garbage (which is labor intensve and usually pointless as it is typically all remixed into the same pot) as actvely holding mother Gaia down as an oil tycoon jabs a spear into her.
How about I tell Mr. Landsburg that if he does not own a gun, he can't shoot Joan and that Maxwell will shoot her instead. And it will be all Mr. Landsburg fault.
Is this based off of some cra
July 9, 2007 - 16:30 ET by Challenger GrimIs this based off of some crazy religion where contraction of AIDS resoves one of all sins?
Of course Jungus. The AIDS person is now a "victim" thus completely absolved of all sins and wrong-doing. Just like being black or female or mexican or... well anything short of white and a guy.
It's the religion of "victimology" where you been the last 20 years?
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Hmmm, Female? Not sure what
July 9, 2007 - 19:15 ET by shannon20Hmmm, Female? Not sure what that means? :)
Pacifists Do Cause War
July 9, 2007 - 16:23 ET by dwillmoreWhile I agree that this is very poor logic for both the author and the Times, I think I can argue substansively that pacifists do cause wars.
If we look at it logically Joan would be promiscuous with or without Martin. This means that the probability that she has one or more sexually transmitted diseases before meeting Martin is high. Martin therefore saved himself from a sexually transmitted disease. It still takes two to tango. In the age of Yes means Yes Joan is not a helpless victim, but a participant.
Now the opposite is true with the pacifist. In a world of warmongers and pacifists the warmongers devour all they can consume without reprisal. Pacifists created WWII and pacifists are responsible for terorism of today.
True, I was only playing of
July 9, 2007 - 16:42 ET by JungusTrue, I was only playing off of the likelyhood that the author was anti Second Ammendment. I think a better analogy is if Martin owned a gun that he kept conceiled (leagally) while Maxwell did not. Say Martin chose to defend her from a robber causing her to get scared from Martin. If she hangs with Maxwell who then is unable to protect her is it really Martin's fault that Joan is robbed, raped, and dismembered?
sex
July 9, 2007 - 21:51 ET by m1xramLove the title. LOL. You know right away just how silly people are. Think the libs signed up for the Brain Slug party from Futurama.
m1xram
OK. Among other things I work
July 9, 2007 - 22:26 ET by danboOK. Among other things I worked with a number of HIV patients over the years. I'm not a prude. And have a great deal of concern for the people dealing with this terrible virus.
Though I'm rarely supprised anymore, I'm still often amazed.
Unless speaking tongue in cheek, from what I see. Landsburg has as much functioning gray matter as a door knob. Actually the door knob may have the edge.
I never cease to be amazed.
Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of truth and knowledge will be shipwrecked by the laughter of the Gods. Albert Einstein
What a great pickup-line! h
July 10, 2007 - 13:12 ET by Some GuyWhat a great pickup-line! hey baby, i'm HIV free so you should have random meaningless sex with me instead to prevent getting it from that other guy.
Makes perfect sense ... I can just see the sex ed classes now
See Dick
See Jane See Dick
See Jane See Dicks Dick without Aids
See Dick Dick Jane
Now go forth and do the world you Aids Free People!!
Oh wait ... isn't Africa having what could be epedemic sized problems with ... wait for it ... to much sex? AIDS is going to kill billions of people because of the very thing this moron is touting ...
I'm moving to outer mongolia ...