Just in time for worldwide concerts to draw attention to the planet’s imminent doom at the hands of anthropogenic global warming, a new find in Greenland suggests that much of the hysteria in Al Gore’s schlockumentary “An Inconvenient Truth” has absolutely no basis in scientific fact.
Even though this study will likely get little to no attention from a media in full fawn mode over Gore and his Live Earth concerts, the findings throw a huge monkey wrench into alarmist warnings of climate-related devastation to the planet and species offered as reasons for developed nations to radically change behavior.
As marvelously reported by the Boston Globe Friday (h/t Benny Peiser, emphasis added throughout):
An international team of scientists, drilling deep into the ice layers of Greenland, has found DNA from ancient spiders and trees, evidence that suggests the frozen shield covering the immense island survived the earth's last period of global warming.
The findings, published today in the journal Science, indicate Greenland's ice may be less susceptible to the massive meltdown predicted by computer models of climate change, the article's main author said in an interview.
"If our data is correct, and I believe it is, then this means the southern Greenland ice cap is more stable than previously thought," said Eske Willerslev, research leader and professor of evolutionary biology at the University of Copenhagen. "This may have implications for how the ice sheets respond to global warming. They may withstand rising temperatures."
How can that be? After all, soon-to-be-Dr. Al Gore – who has had absolutely no training in the relevant areas of science despite the media belief that he is indeed the foremost expert on the subject – says Greenland is going to thaw in the near future with devastating repercussions. Surely he can’t be wrong:
A painstaking analysis of surviving genetic fragments locked in the ice of southern Greenland shows that somewhere between 450,000 and 800,000 years ago, the world's largest island had a climate much like that of Northern New England, the researchers said. Butterflies fluttered over lush meadows interspersed with stands of pine, spruce, and alder.
Greenland really was green, before Ice Age glaciers enshrouded vast swaths of the Northern Hemisphere.
Wait. Isn’t the debate over and the science settled on this issue? It appears not:
More controversially -- and as an example of how research in one realm of science can unexpectedly affect assumptions in another -- the discovery of microscopic bits of organic matter retrieved from ice 1.2 miles beneath the surface indicates that the ice fields of southern Greenland may be more resilient to rising global temperatures than has been forecast. The DNA could have been preserved only if the ice layers remained largely intact.
A scenario often raised by global warming specialists is that Greenland's ice trove will turn liquid in the rising temperatures of coming decades, with hundreds of trillions of gallons of water spilling into the Atlantic. This could cause ocean levels worldwide to rise anywhere from 3 to 20 feet, according to computer projections -- bad news for seaport cities like Boston.
But the discovery of organic matter in ice dating from half-a-million years ago offers evidence that the Greenland ice shield remained frozen even during the earth's last "interglacial period" -- some 120,000 years ago -- when average temperatures were 9 degrees Fahrenheit warmer than they are now. That's slightly higher than the average temperatures foreseen by most scientists for the end of this century, although some environmentalists warn it might get even hotter.
Incredible. And, as many scientists have been claiming regardless of such falling on deaf press ears, this indicates just how nonsensical and worthless climate models proclaiming imminent planetary doom are:
Researchers from the Danish-led team said the unanticipated findings appear to fly in the face of prevailing scientific views about the likely fate of Greenland's thickly-layered ice, although Willerslev stressed that the findings do not contradict the basic premise that the earth's temperature is rising to worrisome levels, with gases emitted by industry, cars, and other human activity playing a big role.
"But it suggests a problem with the [computer] models" that predict melting ice from Greenland could drown cities and destroy civilizations, according to Willerslev.
Think this will be headline news during Live Earth weekend?
No. Neither do I. Regardless, it certainly makes watching the concerts more comical!
—Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters.















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December 11, 2007 - 16:21 ET by PopularTechGreenland - Dramatic Ice loss in the Greenland seas in 1817 (A History of the Royal Society Archive)
Greenland - ERS altimeter survey shows growth of Greenland Ice Sheet interior (ESA - European Space Agency)
Greenland - Fossil DNA Proves Greenland Once Had Lush Forests; Ice Sheet Is Surprisingly Stable (Science Daily)
Greenland - Greenland's Glaciers Have Been Receding for 100 Years (University of Aarhus, Denmark)
Greenland - Greenland’s Glaciers Take a Breather (The New York Times)
Greenland - Greenland Ice Sheet Changes Are Normal; No Evidence Of Long-Term Climate Changes (Science Daily)
Greenland - Greenland Temperatures Coldest in 60 Years (The Heartland Institute)
Greenland - Is Greenland really melting? (Patrick J. Michaels, Ph.D. Ecological Climatology)
Greenland - Latest Scientific Studies Refute Fears of Greenland Melt (US Senate Environment & Public Works Committee)
Greenland - Letter to the Editor: Greenland Ice Gain Since World War II (The Heartland Institute)
Greenland - Recent cooling in coastal southern Greenland and relation with the North Atlantic Oscillation (American Geophysical Union)
Greenland - Study Shows Greenland’s Ice Growing (CO2 Science)
Greenland - The Cold Truth about Greenland (Patrick J. Michaels, Ph.D. Ecological Climatology)
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I saw this yesterday and reli
July 7, 2007 - 09:28 ET by bassndudeI saw this yesterday and relished every word. It still sounds good today. I love it when a plan comes together, or Als' falls apart.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
He belongs back under the roc
July 7, 2007 - 10:50 ET by pickerseniorHe belongs back under the rock he crawled out of.
Pickersenior - "If liberals didn't live it, it doesn't exist."
So many Gorolytes in one pl
July 7, 2007 - 09:55 ET by acadia1755So many Gorolytes in one place(Gargoyles are them grotesque statues spewing rain waters from roof through their mouth making a gargling sounds) I find the word Gorolytes is a perfect fit for these Twits.
I could watch it I guess but Al Gore is such a Stomach turner and I Have to have breakfast.
The Liberals have become what they hate.
Goregoyles n. 1. Evil-faced poseurs spewing junk science...
July 7, 2007 - 10:14 ET by heldmywGoregoyles n. 1. Evil-faced poseurs spewing junk science from gaping, foul-smelling orifices. Created fear and panic among the weaker-minded adults and small children, but were finally proven to be mythical boogeypersons who couldn't even find a closet to hide in.
AGW and European Scientists
July 7, 2007 - 09:56 ET by pbthinkerIt appears that scientists, in Europe, are leading the way in research that disputes the "consensus" opinions being presented. I have no reason to believe there aren't scientists, in the U.S., who disagree with many of the predictions being made by the Gorebal Warming people but, it appears, they are under unique pressures, such as having their funding pulled, if they speak out. Apparently, in other countries, the truth counts more than consensus.
The question I ask, is will the truth come out before Gore is successful in destroying the economies of the world with his policy endeavors. As was noted, in some media outlets today, Sen. John Dingell is preparing to send a carbon tax bill out for consideration, as a means of showing people just what the fight, against AGW, is going to cost them, in real money. Are Americans ready to pay this price, based on the specious science being presented at this time? Somehow, I doubt it.
Never argue with an idiot. They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
“But the discovery of organ
July 7, 2007 - 10:02 ET by Dave High“But the discovery of organic matter in ice dating from half-a-million years ago offers evidence that the Greenland ice shield remained frozen even during the earth's last "interglacial period" –“
Noel:
By reprinting this and using it as denier evidence, you are certainly treading on thin ice. Remember, many of your fellow deniers think the earth is only 6,000 years old.
Skating away on the thin ice of a new day, Dave High
think the earth is only
July 7, 2007 - 10:20 ET by Free Stinkerthink the earth is only 6,000 years old.
What makes you think that? I mean, besides the fact that it is what DU or MoveOn told you to think.
I have no idea how old the earth is. (Neither do you) Could be 6,000 years old. Could be Billions of years old.
Dave High
July 7, 2007 - 10:22 ET byScooter Libby
I guess you're referring to w
July 7, 2007 - 10:39 ET by malcumI guess you're referring to what your people call nutty Christians. Well, there probably are a lot of true believers out there. But may I remind you that your "true believers" think that in 10 years the only ice left will be at the Marriott. Now, who's nuttier?
Dave
July 7, 2007 - 10:41 ET by Noel SheppardDave,
Is this what I went to bat for you for to get you reinstated as a member a few months ago -- so that you could do drive-by derisions of writers, members, and readers?
You make me very sorry I did, and lead me to not want to do so again in the future for the next former loathing liberal asking for his/her membership back.
Are you proud of how you are representing the liberal view here? After all, your continually snide opening remarks at any thread you enter confirms that which makes it so difficult for conservatives to take any of you seriously enough to want to engage in a civil dialogue.
Yet, hypocritically, folks like you complain about the caustic tone of politics in the nation coincident with failing to recognize how much your behavior is the precipitating factor.
You must be very proud. ns
Noel,I think you should leave
July 7, 2007 - 12:48 ET by mattmNoel,
I think you should leave him be. He's aptly representing the Liberal viewpoint which is, with very few exceptions, not defended by logic, thought and fact, but merely by denigrating anyone who isn't a Liberal. By dismissing someone as a Nazi, or a nut or a hate-mongering racist, or whatever, you don't have to actually argue the merits of any issue.
mattm,I agree. Dave does an e
July 7, 2007 - 14:31 ET by Dave Rmattm,
I agree. Dave does an exceptional job of representing authentic "liberal logic" (damn, I think my monitor just cracked) here at NB. Just look at his post above, where he managed to insult Noel, as well as insult the intelligence of most of the members here, and also showed himself to be an anti-Christian bigot-practically all in the same sentence. Hell, even tumbler couldn't do that.
Help Fred defeat the RINOs, along with the Hitllary-Obama Axis, & win the White House in '08.
Thanks. You guys need some
July 7, 2007 - 21:18 ET by Dave HighThanks. You guys need some perspective. It might as well be me.
Dave High
Good point. I never tire of h
July 7, 2007 - 22:21 ET by Roger the ShrubberGood point. I never tire of hearing the out-of-touch dumbass perspective. You provide a valuable service, Dave!
RtS:As an "out of touch
July 7, 2007 - 23:08 ET by Dave HighRtS:
As an "out of touch dumb ass" I respect your admission that I might provide something?"
Liberal Regards, DAH
Dave, You never responded t
July 7, 2007 - 23:12 ET by Free StinkerDave, You never responded to my post this morning:
Why not? You didn't have a talking point to handle the situation?
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Fred Thompson and Ann Coulter walk into a bar. The bar is instantly destroyed because that much awesome cannot be contained in one building.
Kevin Federline, Cato Kaelin,
July 8, 2007 - 09:16 ET by Roger the ShrubberKevin Federline, Cato Kaelin, and Paris Hilton provide something, too. Providing "something" merely means you offer a product. Not necessarily a product worth consuming, admiring, or paying attention to, but a "product" nonetheless.
You can take a dump into your right hand, and offer that up as a "product". It would not sell very well and would probably give people the impression you are a "out-of-touch dumbass".
But, by all means, keep posting that "product" you are so proud of.
Sorry Noel, but you conservat
July 7, 2007 - 21:08 ET by Dave HighSorry Noel, but you conservatives have been burning down the house with your false rhetoric for far too long. I am sorry if you can’t reconcile the fact that you cite scientific premises to prove your anti-global warming position that fly in the face of your faith.
Answer me this: Do you trust science, or your faith? Honest to God, you can’t have it both ways. In your opinion, is the earth billions of years old, or just 6,000? Please answer.
Regards, Dave High
Dave the same God who created
July 7, 2007 - 21:28 ET byDave the same God who created this universe also inspired the writers of Scripture if you see a contradiction then you are misunderstanding one or the other or both
Scooter Libby
And Dave the 'you' is poetic
July 8, 2007 - 00:12 ET byAnd Dave the 'you' is poetic it includes me and everybody else.
Dave, out of curiosity what d
July 7, 2007 - 21:55 ET by shawn228Dave, out of curiosity what did you do to get kicked out of here r. In no way am i making fun of you. I really want to know what the guidelines are?
When I joined this site, I thought this is one of those sites like redstate.com and had zero tolerence.for Liberal views. Well, I was wrong I have seen how long tumbler lasted. This site has let far out liberals on the left like Monty, Smart Liberals like Leon, and a left of center joe schmoe like me stay on as members. . Yet they kicked out Mobius and Billadkins. I agree with letting American Rhetoric Reiview go. Anyways Dave I would like to hear your side of story on why you got kicked out.
Smart Liberals like Leon
July 7, 2007 - 22:10 ET by Free StinkerSmart Liberals like Leon
Since when did "Smart" mean "Talking Point Regurgitator"?
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Fred Thompson and Ann Coulter walk into a bar. The bar is instantly destroyed because that much awesome cannot be contained in one building.
Here's how Leon described him
July 7, 2007 - 22:59 ET byHere's how Leon described himself:
I think you're learning a thing or two from me. That's a backpeddle of a much more superior nature than I would generally expect from you. Bravo, and Bravo!
Now that's progress! If you work hard enough, perhaps you can move from apprentice spinmeister to journeyman spinmeister
In English 1) a denier of what he says and 2) a liar
Come on botg. Lets be realist
July 7, 2007 - 23:08 ET by shawn228Come on botg. Lets be realistic, the msn was biased for Coulter in Chris Mathews Show. Even though I feel Leon crossed the line on some comments, you was reacting after being attacked.
That conversation you are quoting was after you were egging him on, and it is out of context.
Shawn, they are his words
July 7, 2007 - 23:10 ET byShawn, they are his words
I realize they are his words
July 7, 2007 - 23:15 ET by shawn228I realize they are his words botg. Those words were said after he asked you guys to define what victory was.. Then you"botg" decided to point out Leon was not talking about the original heading of a thread. Then people all over give you high fives for giving it to the troll.
I do not agree with everything Leon says, but I say he is smart.
Actually Shawn in the thread
July 7, 2007 - 23:21 ET byActually Shawn in the thread Leon had opportunity to say he had mis-spoke. He chose not to. Leon had opportunity to define victory. He chose not to.
Also i only brought up that he was not following the original thread AFTER he accused someone else of taking the thread off topic.
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -Chief Justice John Roberts
botg, I found the whut-chutak
July 7, 2007 - 23:28 ET by shawn228botg, I found the whut-chutakinbout kinda funny the first time, not the 8th time. Some critized Leon about wanting Tony Blair to eat crow. Leon asked what their definition of winning is. He got flamed and was given and answer, but certainly not from you. After no own answered you deflected in back. You know me full and well botg if there is media bias, i point it out as well. Of course people cheer you on. Look at the audience.
I only used wha-chu 4 times i
July 7, 2007 - 23:42 ET byI only used wha-chu 4 times i think definately not 8.
We get along Shawn because we are able to learn and admit when we need to learn. Leon does not exhibit that quality imho.
I actually stayed back through most of it until Leon's hypocrasy in accussing someone else of being off thread. Then when he admitted his mastery of backpeddling and journeyman spinmeister to Blonde well i couldn't resist.
I don't remember being cheared on BT agreed with me and Blonde had her own thing going on.
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -Chief Justice John Roberts
Yes i admit I embelished on t
July 7, 2007 - 23:45 ET by shawn228Yes i admit I embelished on the whatcutakinbouts.:) I agree, lots of people just went along with the fact Leon changed the topic, when it was clearly you.
i changed the topic?“The wa
July 7, 2007 - 23:48 ET byi changed the topic?
Leon Says:July 5, 2007 - 21:01
psssst LK,
I ignore off-topic posts. Just for future reference. You don't need to do the crickets chirping. We get it.
botg Says:July 5, 2007 - 21:10
Wha-chu talkin bout leon? This thread is about the PM of England and you've gone off then complain that someone else has derailled your derail?
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -Chief Justice John Roberts
Leon asked a direct question.
July 7, 2007 - 23:55 ET by shawn228Leon asked a direct question. The other poster did not respond and was tired to send links. You then pointed out Leon was not staying within the boundries of the thread.
You then pointed out Leon was
July 8, 2007 - 00:02 ET byYou then pointed out Leon was not staying within the boundries of the thread. Yes, right after he said i ignore off topic posts, i reminded him that the whole conversation was off topic
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -Chief Justice John Roberts
Not to mention Leon proved o
July 7, 2007 - 23:29 ET by BlondeNot to mention Leon proved once and for all that he IS reading deficient....by responding to me (with stupid questions...whatever did I mean???, natch) about something you said (thanks, Brucie!).
Blonde you and I know each ot
July 7, 2007 - 23:37 ET by shawn228Blonde you and I know each other well and I know you have a temper. I am walking on eggs shells I know but......Leon asked what somebodys version of Victory is. No an answered and botg said it was not sticking to the topic of the thread. After more flaming said Kill someone told Leon we have to kill all the Evil people or something like that. Yes some of him comments were neener nenner style but only after you guys egged him on. I believe one poster told him to "go to hell"
Read it again, Shawn.With a p
July 7, 2007 - 23:45 ET by BlondeRead it again, Shawn.
With a particular thought in mind. Read what your pal Leon tries to say I said. Then re-read for what I actually said.
You need to learn to look at this kind of stuff with a discerning eye.
Your pal Leon, at the end of this particular encounter, attempted to portray me as angry. In almost every single post I told him how silly and amusing I found his illegal leaps of logic to be.
And yeah, I quoted Mr. Bishop's definition of victory, which is about as good a definition as I've ever read...yet Leon willfully misinterpreted it.
So, if you choose to defend your lib friend, so be it. But that's not terribly smart.
Yes Blonde, I did read it &qu
July 7, 2007 - 23:51 ET by shawn228Yes Blonde, I did read it "twice" The converstation was already off topic. He asked a direct question, then the question was delflected. I realize you do not like Leon very much. He seems to really press your buttons. You aswered with Mr. Bishops idea, abou deafeating all the Islamics is vague at best.
Forget it Shawn.Stick to your
July 7, 2007 - 23:53 ET by BlondeForget it Shawn.
Stick to your liberal principles.
If you don't get it...I don't have the patience to explain it to you (again).
Don't forget Blonde, you the
July 7, 2007 - 23:58 ET by shawn228Don't forget Blonde, you the one who told me not to hold back, even when I was debating you. so that is the way I see it. Prove me wrong.
Sauce for the goose, Shawn.Re
July 8, 2007 - 00:01 ET by BlondeSauce for the goose, Shawn.
Read my post directly above (below? depends on your browser setting) yours.
You've already been proved wrong. Not my problem that you're too stubborn to see it.
Dizzy
July 7, 2007 - 23:55 ET by Free StinkerI'm getting dizzy.
Can't we just talk about Clarissa Ward & Laurie Dhue instead? ;-)
I say he is smart.
July 7, 2007 - 23:26 ET by Free StinkerI say he is smart.
You are entitled to your opinion. I have yet to see anything from him that makes me agree with you.
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Fred Thompson and Ann Coulter walk into a bar. The bar is instantly destroyed because that much awesome cannot be contained in one building.
Simple answer: I didn't get k
July 7, 2007 - 23:35 ET by Dave HighSimple answer: I didn't get kicked out. I intentionally changed my password (randomly) so I couldn’t sign myself on again. I did so because I thought I was spending too much time posting negative comments at this site and at the detriment to my family. After a hiatus, I sought to rejoin you all. Noel agreed to help me. For your knowledge, I do not post at any other site. I kind of like you guys because we are so different. I am sorry for the times that I offend, but in truth, I mean it in humor and to inspire debate.
Warmest Regards, Dave High
Post Script – Kudos for NB for allowing me in.
Ok so no one kicked you out.
July 7, 2007 - 23:43 ET by shawn228Ok so no one kicked you out. You left out of Protest? Why???
Shawn:This is not about me, b
July 8, 2007 - 00:00 ET by Dave HighShawn:
This is not about me, but since you asked, here is my final answer: "I am sorry for the times that I offend, but in truth, I mean it in humor and to inspire debate."
Warmest Regards, Dave High
Dave......that sounds like a
July 8, 2007 - 00:03 ET by shawn228Dave......that sounds like a riddle. Simple question. why did you want to leave town. You sound a retired porn star. If you do not want to answer, why o you not answer?
Dave H,The term "day&quo
July 8, 2007 - 00:41 ET by Dave RDave H,
The term "day" has several meanings in the Bible. In some cases, it means a thousand years (ever heard of the 7 day theory?). Biblical scholars far more learned than myself have been debating this subject since the creation of the profession itself. Yes, there are those literalists out there who truly believe the Earth was created in six solar days, but I personally know very few Christians who actually believe this. Actually I know two, to be exact.
As for the Earth being only six thousand years old, that is a no-brainer, as the Old Testament (which is essentially a history of the Jewish people as well as a prophetic work) only goes back that far, yet we know full well there were cultures that existed prior to that time.
Help Fred defeat the RINOs, along with the Hitllary-Obama Axis, & win the White House in '08.
Dave High
July 8, 2007 - 09:31 ET by Noel SheppardDave,
Excuse me, but how do you know what my faith is? Have I ever told you? Frankly, that's not something I've ever discussed with anyone here. As such, like most of your ilk, you are jumping to a specious conclusion. ns
Dave is one of those Liberals
July 8, 2007 - 09:40 ET by Roger the ShrubberDave is one of those Liberals whose every argument revolves around that stupid Christianity thing they are afraid of. I wonder if Dave sits beneath a crystal pyramid, facing due north, while his waif-like fingers compose his "product" to be offered to the NB masses? Surely, Dave hasn't been trying to goad people into silly arguments about religion, doing something as sophomoric as taking shots at Christianity in every post, has he? Naaaah. That would be something a troll would do.
RtS:I am in fact the Stewards
July 8, 2007 - 22:37 ET by Dave HighRtS:
I am in fact the Stewardship Chair at my Unitarian/Universalist church. After 9/11, I became a non-believer because no god could possibly blow up so many people at once in the name of ... god.
Regards, Dave High
so you find free-will incompa
July 8, 2007 - 22:42 ET byso you find free-will incompatable with God? i reason just the opposite: a true God requires free-will
btw: we only see the results here, not the whole picture of eternal consequences (our life here compared to eternity is less than one hour in kindergarten compared to a lifetime)
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -Chief Justice John Roberts
After 9/11, I became a non-be
July 8, 2007 - 22:57 ET by Dave RAfter 9/11, I became a non-believer because no god could possibly blow up so many people at once in the name of ... god.
God didn't kill those people, Dave. They were killed by a band of fanatical Muslims who had allowed themselves to be convinced by a bunch of illiterate mullahs (who seem to be the people in charge of Islam these days) that they were, in fact, carrying out the "will" of God, or, in this case, Allah.
They were only doing what the Qu'ran commands of all Muslims, and that is to either tax, convert, or kill all non-believers. Of course , the 9/11 attackers skipped the first two elements of that edict and went straight to the third. It doesn't get more evil than that.
BTW-Dave, you should know that I do not consider Islam to be a religion. I consider it a political movement, period.
Help Fred defeat the RINOs, along with the Hitllary-Obama Axis, & win the White House in '08.
As an athiest, I've noticed t
July 9, 2007 - 06:34 ET by danboAs an athiest, I've noticed there are 2 groups that say they don't believe in god.
Group one, as myself, just don't believe in god. Religion is a personnel area of faith. Faith and science are not exactly the same thing. We just don't believe it. No big deal.
Then there are people who are angry at god. Because god did or didn't do something. But to claim intellectual superioty because "no god could possibly blow up so many people at one time"?
Sorry if I consider you a POed christian.
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.” H.L. Mencken
You are correct Noel, I do no
July 8, 2007 - 22:31 ET by Dave HighYou are correct Noel, I do not know your faith. I was only trying to draw you out. It must be difficult for you, as a public figure, to keep your faith private while you espouse scientific truth. Generally, in our Christian country, the two don’t mesh. I was, in a backhanded way, giving you the opportunity to reconcile faith with scientific truth.
Regards, Dave High
giving you the opportunity to
July 8, 2007 - 22:35 ET bygiving you the opportunity to reconcile faith with scientific truth
which is much easier to do than reconciling the big bang with athesim
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -Chief Justice John Roberts
Huh?DH
July 8, 2007 - 22:53 ET by Dave HighHuh?
DH
I have no problem with the cr
July 8, 2007 - 23:01 ET byI have no problem with the creator of the universe being the same God who inspired the writers of Scripture such thyat they exhibit a harmony. If there is a seeming contradiction between our interpretation of Scripture and our interpretation of science then one interpretation or the other (or both) are wrong.
The big bang theory postulates that everything appeared in a cosmic explosion 13.8 billion years ago. If there is no God (cause) then:
Nothing created everything out of nothing (impossible since 'nothing' has no actual existance)
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -Chief Justice John Roberts
good night Dave“The way to
July 8, 2007 - 23:07 ET bygood night Dave
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -Chief Justice John Roberts
The creation of the universe
July 9, 2007 - 00:05 ET by Dave HighThe creation of the universe is truly a mystery. I expect it will always be. It is not adequately explained by scripture. The folks 2,000 years ago had far less understanding of the universe as we now have. We are greater in wisdom than they were. Cementing the future to the past isn't helpful. Looking forward with the knowledge of the past is a good thing. As Micky said about Life cereal, “Try it, you’ll like it!”
Regards, Dave High
High Dave, Your comment rem
July 9, 2007 - 00:15 ET by hydrodynDMDave High,
Your comment reminded me of a post I made to botg a week or so ago in the forum area of this site...
http://newsbusters.org/node/13678
It's near the bottom with regard to the interpretation of Scripture.
hydrothat's a long forum“Th
July 9, 2007 - 17:55 ET byhydro
that's a long forum
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -Chief Justice John Roberts
The creation of the universe
July 9, 2007 - 17:50 ET byThe creation of the universe is truly a mystery So when a logical argument is presented which you can not answer you fall back on the 'mystery' of the gaps? i have not enough faith to trust in mystery
It is not adequately explained by scripture well if you mean the scientific details are not contained there-in you are correct, Scripture is about salvation for people who mess up, but it does contain the broad overview. How would you explain the creation event to shepherds over 4000 years ago?
We are greater in wisdom than they were. i think Dave that we have more knowledge but wisdom? That's a horse of a different color which tends to reside in individuals.
As Micky said about Life cereal, “Try it, you’ll like it!” Been there, done that
Be assured Dave that i have been where you are in your beliefs i will pray for you to be humble enough to hear.
And i'll leave you the last word
Hey Dave, why are the other p
July 7, 2007 - 11:30 ET by NewsbusterbrownHey Dave, why are the other planets warming, too? Answer that before you make any more snide remarks about man-made global warming sceptics.
BTW, I think the Earth is billions of years old.
Remember High dave. Many warm
July 7, 2007 - 12:06 ET by danboRemember High dave. Many warmers haven't a clue as to what science is.
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.” H.L. Mencken
Dave, it matters not if the E
July 7, 2007 - 12:31 ET by bassndudeDave, it matters not if the Earth is 6000 years, or 6 billion years old. There is no absolute proof of the exact age of the Earth. What dose matter is that it was created by the Creator, (God). How and when is not improtant. We are not aware of his time line or how he measures time. The finding in Iceland is valad. Weather it is from 500,000 thousand years or 5000 years ago, the finding is relative. If the Earth is only 6000 years ago, this finding may be from that era of the beginning. You libs always try to pin down exact dates, and it cannot be done by digging or drilling. All anyone can do is guess.
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Bass:In about two weeks I wil
July 8, 2007 - 00:43 ET by Dave HighBass:
In about two weeks I will be taking my boys (19,16,14) and some of their friends to Ocracoke, NC. I have rented (as I always do) a 24’ boat with a 90 horsepower outboard. My favorite line so far was my eldest son saying, “Dad! This fish is so big it is jerking the rod out of my hand!”
I think we all have something in common.
In Peace, Dave High
Dave, I have an 19 foot boat.
July 8, 2007 - 13:51 ET by bassndudeDave, I have an 19 foot boat. Love it. There is a 150 HP merc on it. It will run around 70 mph or so, but I rarely run it wide open. She cruises out real nice around 50 or a little less. Depends on the water. A 90 horse motor on a 24 foot boat would really strain the motor to get it on plane, unless your talking about a pontoon boat. That I can see. I work to fish, not fish to work:-)
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Bass:In Ocracoke, NC I pay a
July 8, 2007 - 22:15 ET by Dave HighBass:
In Ocracoke, NC I pay a great guy (http://www.ocracokei...) $700 to rent a fun boat for a week. It is like a big, ole’ bathtub with an engine because the water is so shallow in the Pamlico Sound, anything with a keel would require someone with knowledge. I have no illusions that I am a great fisherman. Frankly, at fishing, I suck. I have done it all my life and have never gotten better at it. But I do enjoy taking the boys out for a fun ride and hopefully a nice fish. We have caught everything from flounder to clams. And so it goes. Mostly I fish out of my two 15’ Grumman canoes. The first was owned by my grandfather and was one of the first Grumman canoes ever made.
Regards, Dave High
High, Dave!
July 7, 2007 - 20:36 ET by Del DolemonteHigh, Dave!
Reconciliation
July 8, 2007 - 05:37 ET by UnsaneHow do you reconcile your delusion with the fact that some of us conservatives are in fact atheists?
Keep trying to paint the Right with that monolithic paintbrush of yours...
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Unsane:I am not the least bit
July 8, 2007 - 23:08 ET by Dave HighUnsane:
I am not the least bit surprised that some conservatives are atheists. Belief in God is a personal matter. What does it have to do with politics? I guess your confusion lies around the fact that most conservatives are Christians, at least in this country anyway.
Regards, Dave High
Explanation, or lack thereof
July 9, 2007 - 05:05 ET by UnsaneThis explains your initial post on the subject not at all.
Not to mention the following response to Unsane from Dave High back in January or so:
"I have never met an atheist conservative before. Do you piss sideways?"
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Even in the face of this new
July 7, 2007 - 10:17 ET by ThisnThatEven in the face of this new research data, the alarmists are still blaring their horns.
"...although some environmentalists warn it might get even hotter".
Look at how some warn that it might get hotter. Wow! All speculation; nothing to back it up other than someone's opinion.
"...although Willerslev stressed that the findings do not contradict the basic premise that the earth's temperature is rising to worrisome levels, with gases emitted by industry, cars, and other human activity playing a big role"
Two points: The data show that it's been much warmer in the past, so how in the world is this "worrisome"? I would clasify it as "natural", instead. And, what evidence is there that human activity is playing a big role, especially since there were no humans around during the last warming period 120,000 years ago?
These people don't ever give up in the face of evidence, facts, history, and common sense, do they?
Once again, the mighty pillar
July 7, 2007 - 10:51 ET by dahliatraversOnce again, the mighty pillar of AGW, the computer model, fails to "predict" an observed (already took place) condition.
Dahlia,In my computer model t
July 7, 2007 - 10:54 ET byDahlia,
In my computer model the Goracle has oatmeal for brains, must be true computer models don't lie.
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -Chief Justice John Roberts
H'mm, interesting theory, bot
July 7, 2007 - 11:36 ET by dahliatraversH'mm, interesting theory, botg. Yes, we should go forward with the results of your computer model as a working hypothesis and begin selectively looking for evidence to support it.
And Gorophytes, please do not bother producing a brain scan demonstrating otherwise. AGW scientists have insisted that observed conditions are no reason to discard an otherwise perfectly good computer model.
Ah sweet theories Batman!!!!c
July 7, 2007 - 11:55 ET byAh sweet theories Batman!!!!
check out this one!!!!!!!!!!
YIKES!!!!! BONK!!!!! KABLAMMOOOO!!!!
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botg -Thanks for the link.
July 7, 2007 - 13:18 ET by drillanwrbotg -
Thanks for the link. That was spectacular!
botg INCREDIBLE!!! I
July 7, 2007 - 20:20 ET by Templar10botg
INCREDIBLE!!!
I have NEVER seen or heard of this theory before but it is spectacular!
Everybody...this is a great link that shows the Earth EXPANDING! We've all heard of plate tectonics. We've all heard of the Mid-Atlantic Ridge and the East Pacific Rise. They are plausible explanations for part of the explanations about Gaia splitting apart...but I NEVER heard a theory that there was once a much smaller planet that EXPANDED.
Is it just me or are there Biblical implications here?
Templar (may i call you Simon
July 7, 2007 - 20:36 ET byTemplar (may i call you Simon?)
Either
1 there is a hollow vacuum in the center (impossible it would suck in the atmosphere and we'd all be in heaven
2 there is a continual appearance of matter being created (also impossible)
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -Chief Justice John Roberts