A federal appeals court today overturned a Carter-appointed judge's opinion last August that the National Security Agency's terrorist surveillance program, dubbed by opponents as "domestic spying," was unconstitutional. Eleven months ago, the media latched on to the decision as a "major legal defeat" for the Bush administration, with CNN's Jack Cafferty crowing about how the decision proved "President Bush violated his oath of office, among other things, when he swore to uphold the Constitution of the United States."
Both ABC and MSNBC hosted constitutional lawyer Jonathan Turley, who suggested the President should be impeached as a result of the ruling.
Friday's decision stated that those who sued the government, including the ACLU, could not show that they had been targeted by the surveillance and thus had no standing to bring a federal case. As the Associated Press reported this afternoon:
A federal appeals court on Friday ordered the dismissal of a lawsuit challenging President Bush's domestic spying program, saying the plaintiffs had no standing to sue.
The 2-1 ruling by the 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals panel vacated a 2006 order by a lower court in Detroit, which had found the post-Sept. 11 warrantless surveillance aimed at uncovering terrorist activity to be unconstitutional, violating rights to privacy and free speech and the separation of powers….
White House spokesman Tony Fratto said, "We have always believed that the District Court's decision declaring the terrorist surveillance program unconstitutional was wrongly decided."
The ACLU is reviewing its options, including taking its challenge to the Supreme Court, Shapiro said.
It remains to be seen how the networks cover today’s reversal of the lower court ruling, but here's how the big media reacted back on August 17, 2006, as chronicled in a variety of NewsBuster blog postings:
# On ABC's World News with Charles Gibson, Gibson introduced the story of the "major legal defeat" for the Bush administration, and correspondent Martha Raddatz filed a full report on the ruling in which she described the ruling as a "significant blow" to the administration, showing a soundbite of plaintiff James Bamford arguing that the ruling means the President "isn't a king." While she did at least provide some balance by relaying that "many national security experts" argue the program is essential, followed by a supporting soundbite from James Garafano of the Heritage Foundation, Raddatz did not delve into any legal weaknesses of the ruling itself.
# The CBS Evening News and the NBC Nightly News only ran anchor-read stories, during which CBS's Bob Schieffer, uniquely among the networks, pointed out that those subjected to surveillance were "suspected of having ties to terrorists." And while ABC's Gibson did at least mention that the surveillance involved "overseas phone calls from this country," NBC's Campbell Brown did not even mention the international nature of the calls, while the words "Domestic Surveillance" were displayed on the screen next to her. Brown relayed that Judge Taylor "harshly condemned" the program.
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# During the 4pm EDT hour of the August 17, 2006 Situation Room on CNN, Jack Cafferty endorsed a U.S. district court judge's ruling, that the National Security Agency's terrorist surveillance program is unconstitutional, as a proper indictment of Bush policies: "There are laws on the books against what the administration is doing and it's about time somebody said it out loud." Cafferty attacked the "arrogant" Bush administration for its supposed "abuse of power" and accused the President of lying to the American people and violating his oath of office: "So what does this mean? It means President Bush violated his oath of office, among other things, when he swore to uphold the Constitution of the United States. It means he's been lying to us about the program since it started, when he's been telling us there's nothing illegal about what he's doing."
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# On the August 17, 2006 Countdown, MSNBC's Keith Olbermann bolstered the ruling by federal Judge Ann Diggs Taylor against the Bush administration's controversial NSA spying program that involves warrantless monitoring of international phone calls when one participant is a terrorist suspect. Referring to the ruling as a "judicial smackdown" and a "stunning ruling" against the program, Olbermann repeatedly referred to the NSA program as monitoring "our" phone calls or "our" emails. The MSNBC host further contended that since the program was revealed, "anybody who had actually read the Constitution" believed it would eventually be ruled as "patently illegal." Olbermann's guest discussing the topic was liberal law professor Jonathan Turley, who labeled Judge Taylor's ruling as a "very thoughtful opinion," called efforts by conservatives to discredit her as a liberal Carter appointee as "distasteful" and maintained President Bush "could well have committed a federal crime not once, but 30 times."
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# On ABC's Good Morning America on August 18, 2006, ABC's Jessica Yellin never acknowledged the liberal background of the Carter-appointed Judge Ann Diggs Taylor who, Yellin pointed out, "accuses the President of acting like a king" and says the NSA program "blatantly disregards" the parameters established in the Bill of Rights. Yellin labeled the court's decision a "stinging setback" for President Bush, and highlighted this warning to the President from George Washington University law professor Jonathan Turley: "He could be impeached. And people should not be underestimating that.
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I hereby create this sub-th
July 6, 2007 - 14:06 ET by dabalI hereby create this sub-thread as a repository for apologies and retractions from any of the "journalists" listed above.
I'll keep the lights on and a plate of warm cookies on the porch. ;-)Better make it Twinkies, bec
July 6, 2007 - 14:12 ET by Roger the ShrubberBetter make it Twinkies, because no cookie would be fresh enough to eat by the time a journalist apologizes!
Roger,LOL. Should he also use
July 6, 2007 - 14:27 ET by Chris NormanRoger,
LOL. Should he also use those super-long-lasting mercury-filled fluorescent anti-global warming bulbs in the porch light fixture? :)
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
- Arabian Proverb
HEY - take it back - Twinkies
July 6, 2007 - 14:31 ET by FastEdHEY - take it back - Twinkies are food too, and I can prove it!
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
dabal: I'm sure there will be
July 6, 2007 - 14:15 ET by QueenMumdabal: I'm sure there will be lots of cookies left. Okay if I come sit on your porch while we're waiting and avail myself of your hospitality before the cookies get stale. I'll bring my own milk. :)
We are not interested in the possibilities of defeat. - Queen Victoria
And don't forget the Kool-Aid
July 6, 2007 - 14:44 ET by BeowulfAnd don't forget the Kool-Aid...
The Closed Mind Erects Strong Barriers
Is this MORE good news .... o
July 6, 2007 - 14:09 ET by JayTeeIs this MORE good news .... on Top of the Commutation of Scooter, the Immigration slap down, and now the non-domestic Spying issue bites the dust ? ?
My, My, me thinks the Liberals are biting the dust along with MSM Ratings, the downward trend in Newspaper circulation, and lets not forget the Approval ratings of Congress as it marches towards single digits.
The END IS NEAR !!!
The new media can take the Clinton Pardons and run with them......and MSM should not even be mentioning the word "Pardon" as Bush sits at ZERO "pardons".....Clinton sits at 140...and Miss Hillary better keep her mouth shut.
What good is a Free Press, if it is a False Press ? David Foote GoE
JayTee
July 6, 2007 - 14:41 ET by Six String SpiffActually, that pardon number for Clinton is MUCH LARGER
h/t to Gary Hall
I love seeing the ACLU lose .
July 6, 2007 - 14:12 ET by drillanwrI love seeing the ACLU lose ... It's shaping up to be a great weekend.
It remains to be seen how t
July 6, 2007 - 14:16 ET by motherbeltIt remains to be seen how the networks cover today’s reversal of the lower court ruling,
My prediction: they can't ignore it; but they will concentrate on supplying quotes from everyone who is against the it. No one who gloated last year will be asked to eat crow. Jonathan Turley will not be asked if he was too hasty in calling for Bush's impeachment.
Turley was absolutely right i
July 6, 2007 - 14:48 ET by BeowulfTurley was absolutely right in calling for Bush's impeachment. If Bush dribbles on the toilet seat, it's grounds for impeachment. I think he should be impeached for this latest liberal talking point reversal. They're running out of things to bitch about, AND IT'S ALL BUSH'S FAULT!!!
The Closed Mind Erects Strong Barriers
MSM response will be: "A
July 6, 2007 - 14:19 ET by Mica the MagnificentMSM response will be:
"A divided 6th circuit court of appeals reluctantly ruled today that . . ."
I understand one of the reasons for the decision was that the ACLU couldn't prove that anyone of the 'plaintiffs' were harmed by the wiretaps.
anti-secuirty judge b*tch slapped
July 6, 2007 - 14:20 ET by LionKingI refer to Judge Taylor as Judge ADT, the anti-security Judge. Her failed ruling is just another slap to liberalism.
It is an icky feeling (sorry
July 6, 2007 - 14:21 ET byIt is an icky feeling (sorry there's no better way to describe it) knowing that someone has listened to your phone calls. I know from personal experience (long story, won't go into it here.) Nonetheless, it is not a nice feeling to think that some stranger heard your happy, gitty, goofy, tearful, angry, and sometimes gooshy phone calls.
It is an invasion of privacy. However, on the other side of things, I realize that it could catch some terrorists before they kill people. So for me, the jury is still out on this one.
Debra...
monitored calls from terrorist/ suspected terrorsts
July 6, 2007 - 14:38 ET by Ron_servativeDebra, I didn't know that you received calls from suspected terrorist groups or individuals and told them "happy, gitty, goofy, tearful, angry, and sometimes gooshy" things.
If you were just taking to friends and family that don't fit into those categories...no one is listening.
I'd think it be even ickier t
July 6, 2007 - 14:42 ET by Chris NormanI'd think it be even ickier to be blown to radioactive bits by a terrorist suitcase bomb, but maybe that's just me...
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
- Arabian Proverb
Chris,That's why I said the j
July 6, 2007 - 15:47 ET byChris,
That's why I said the jury is still out on this topic for me. We have to remember that there are other things that could be done to insure our safety too, like stationing soldiers in our homes, but that is unconstitutional.
How far are we really willing to go? How much of our privacy are we really willing to give up?
djms...
Debra,There's a huge gap betw
July 6, 2007 - 16:12 ET by Chris NormanDebra,
It's a far cry between listening in on selected phone calls going out of the country to people suspected of terrorist activities and stationing soldiers in our homes. Citing an extreme as being unconstitutional isn't an effective tool to demonstrate that a lesser activity may also be the same. We could play that game with a lot of things, otherwise. If wiretapping is out the door, what else possibly could be done to prevent terorist plots from coming to fruition?
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
- Arabian Proverb
Chris,If they are stationed i
July 6, 2007 - 16:18 ET byChris,
If they are stationed in my private phone calls, that is not far from being stationed in my home.
djms..
Debra,The government is after
July 6, 2007 - 16:23 ET by SemperrightDebra,
The government is after your apple brown betty recipe. They can see you through your monitor. Tin foil up
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Semper....Just read your post
July 6, 2007 - 16:52 ET by bigtimerSemper....
Just read your post and am crackin' up laughing here...
....thanks....
tin foil up...thats good.
Btw...anybody with a brain knows if someone in the govt. wants to go after you...they can and will....always have...always will...one way or the other.
No. It is a far cry. I don't
July 6, 2007 - 16:43 ET by Chris NormanNo. It is a far cry. I don't know what your experience was exactly, but something's wrong here. You haven't answered my question regarding how to fight terrorism without wiretapping.
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
- Arabian Proverb
Chris...I'm guessing debra wo
July 6, 2007 - 17:02 ET by Clear thinkerChris...
I'm guessing debra would rather we use mind reading techniques!
The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.
Good question, Chris. But how
July 6, 2007 - 17:41 ET byGood question, Chris. But how needed is it? And I just don't know that I am willing to give up my privacy. Are you willing to? ...djms
As far as I know, I haven't g
July 6, 2007 - 18:11 ET by Chris NormanAs far as I know, I haven't given up my privacy. I don't tend to make long distance phone calls to middle eastern countries - especially to known Al Qaeda types. But, yes. In time of war, some sacrifices are needed to be made. Like in World War II. But, hey, if you don't think we're at war, that terrorism is not that big of a deal, I guess you're privacy is more important to you.
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
- Arabian Proverb
Unless you're willing to oc
July 6, 2007 - 18:23 ET by sarcasmoUnless you're willing to occasionally assert your privacy, you've given it up for all practical purposes. And my problem with a "war on terror" is that things like terror, poverty, and drugs tend to be tough to defeat, and then war -- as Randolph Bourne said so well -- is the health of the state. Whether or not we're at war is important, but it's not the only factor in all this. We still have a Bill of Rights, after all. Should I have to give up my PGPkey and its passphrase to George Bush's "Justice" Department that's attacking honest money while at the same time studiously-ignoring this scandal? I don't think so, especially without a warrant...
JMR
Sarc,That's the problem I hav
July 6, 2007 - 19:38 ET by Chris NormanSarc,
That's the problem I have with Libertarianism: it's all sounds well and good as noble declarations, but when applied to reality, is impractical in it's pure form. Can you envision any circumstance, so threatening, that you would approve of wiretaps that aren't approved by a judge in the traditional way? I'm sorry, I just don't see the threat to our civil liberties in the tools we have granted, so far, to law enforcement in the battle against Muslim terrorists. In crying "wolf" at what we have done so far, one tends to lose some credibility. We trade little liberties everyday, to live in a somewhat safe environment. Total civil liberty is anarchy - something I would oppose as much as oppressive government. As far as the war against terrorism never being won, you're right. But this isn't a conventional war, as you well know. There will always be acts of terror. No war will end every individual threat. But I don't think that's what this war is about. If there are threats of terrorist acts, there has to be some kind of system, in place, to prevent them. This war is against the organized Muslim terrorists that we are facing now. If this war can limit and at least somewhat break that organization, we have to at least try.
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
- Arabian Proverb
Well, that's the problem
July 7, 2007 - 04:42 ET by sarcasmoWell, that's the problem I have with "conservatives" who constantly accept larger and ever-larger big-government, Chris. And if you're arguing with me, you're NOT arguing with a guy who wants "total civil liberty" at all, I never said that. What I want is smaller government, and more of a reason to trust 'em. Right now, as I said, a clueless and hysterical Bush "Justice" department is going-after honest money (and even NB's lesser intellectual lights haven't defended big government's waste here, their case is so-lame!).
I think conservatives are history-impaired on this one. Franklin said: "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Was he wrong? Was Ben talking about pure anarchy? Or was he talking about small government, honest money, and the kinds of non-political -- IOW truly-conservative -- principles this nation was founded on -- principles which in this very thread have caused one stupid nonpatriot to call a patriot like me 'unpatriotic.' Screw that bull-crapola. Since 9/11 in various ways Osama has "won" and civil liberties have lost, but he's still free. Not a good deal, IMO, because I think Bush screwed the pooch in Tora Bora and let him get away by stupidly trusting our Pakistani "friends."
And you say yourself, "there will always be acts of terror" conveniently putting the emphasis on "always" because that's my point, too. No war on terror can ever end, because it's the same as poverty; and Jesus Christ Himself said: "the poor you will always have with you." Terrorist a--holes will be with us, too. Right now, this war, despite the continual hype for it we've both seen here on NB for months and months, looks a lot like a coming disaster. It looks like it's breeding more organized terrorists via blowback (gee, there's that term again! It's almost like the rest of the world should read the 9/11 report like Ron Paul did, apparenlty alone!). Lessened civil liberties here in the USA will not help us to fight overseas terror, but better strategy would. And due to the "evil" genius of the Founders and the 5th Amendment, I can't even tell you just HOW stupid the US government has been WRT this war and motivating Iranian dissidents in my experience. (Yes, it's possible to try to help US troops even if you don't happen to support a war they're currently stuck-in. I'm living proof.) I think this war is about bigger & bigger government and more political power, and I don't trust the stated reasons for what big government's fans want. I won't until we at least have a more-honest name for it than "war on terror."
JMR
I'm not sure Ben Franklin w
July 7, 2007 - 15:07 ET by mulerider24I'm not sure Ben Franklin would categorize privacy during international calls to suspected terrorists an essential liberty. I imagine if I were coordinating with British "dissidents" in the late 18th century, he probably would have exempted me from that statement.
Regardless, I think everyone gets the fact that we each draw the line in the sand of civil liberty differently. I went through grad school thinking that the budget for Border Patrol could be categorized as "overhead." A TRUE conservative would want the borders open and fluid to promote economic growth. That was obviously before I realized there was such a thing as terrorism and events like 9/11 could happen on our soil. So I was willing to fractionally compromise my fiscally conservative ideals for national security. The effect is unquantifiable, but I imagine capitalism will survive.
Sarcasmo, we are very familiar with your principles in here and they definitely add value to discusssions, but sometimes walking the libertarian line shows logical flaws. In my opinion, this is one of them.
I understand what you are say
July 6, 2007 - 20:24 ET byI understand what you are saying, Chris. This is just one of those things that I am still tossing around in my head as to if it is right or wrong to listen in on phone conversations of innocent people for government protection. I am leaning on the side of 'it is wrong.'
There is a reason Bush does not email anyone. He knows. And I assume he is very careful what he says over the phone as well.
And I highly doubt that terrorists are going to plot things over the phone, knowing that they are being listened to. I guess I see this as a locked door. A locked door only keeps the honest people out.
djms...
How many times do poeple ha
July 6, 2007 - 20:42 ET by AJSHOPEHow many times do poeple have to say this to you? Are you making calls to Middle Eastern countries on a daily basis? Are you making calls to suspected terrorists in this country or any other country? If the answer is no to both questions... THEY ARE NOT LISTENING TO YOU!
AJSHOPE,Clearly I do not beli
July 6, 2007 - 20:47 ET byAJSHOPE,
Clearly I do not believe that that is all our government is doing. Calm down.
djms...
"There is a reason Bush
July 6, 2007 - 20:49 ET by QueenMum"There is a reason Bush does not email anyone. He knows. And I assume he is very careful what he says over the phone as well."
LOL Do ya think?
We are not interested in the possibilities of defeat. - Queen Victoria
Oh my gosh, QueenMum, we agre
July 6, 2007 - 20:51 ET byOh my gosh, QueenMum, we agree on something! Wow! I think I will sign off for a while and enjoy this moment in time a little longer... ...djms
I see my sarcasm went over yo
July 6, 2007 - 20:56 ET by QueenMumI see my sarcasm went over your head, Debra.
We are not interested in the possibilities of defeat. - Queen Victoria
Queen and AJ
July 6, 2007 - 20:56 ET by bigtimerDarn it Queen...you beat me too it....still laughing!
Btw...AJS while I am here...it is DEBRA...if she says it is about her....IT IS...as ALWAYS...first and FOREMOST dontcha' know.......
Something as simple as protecting our country and aiding our military during a time of war with intercepting overseas phone calls that may be a matter of life or death and especially a matter of time...and Deb thinks it is all about HER!
Sickening enough this was even taken to court, let alone the politico's that are our enemies within as it is.
Ron,The situation that happen
July 6, 2007 - 15:40 ET byRon,
The situation that happened when phones were tapped that I talked on, was over two decades ago and had nothing to do with terrorists and everything to do with a mob hit.
But besides that, if you think that everyone's phone calls are not being tapped today, think again. There is a central computer system that records all calls today. If something were to happen, then all the government would have to do is type in key words to bring up conversations that they want to listen to. And yes, your personal and private calls, could end up heard.
djms...
It sounds to me that your pho
July 6, 2007 - 15:52 ET by Mica the MagnificentIt sounds to me that your phone was tapped for a reason.
But a government central computer system that records all phone calls?
I dunno.
Sounds like that computer is in the same room as the Weather Machine and operated by government gerbals with microchips in their brains.
Mica,Some people believe that
July 6, 2007 - 16:05 ET byMica,
Some people believe that a www computer system may be used in the end times to control people. There has been some talk about www being 666, and a computer somewhere called, "The Beast." I don't know how true it is.
djms...
Waiter? Check please . . .
July 6, 2007 - 16:10 ET by Mica the MagnificentWaiter? Check please . . .
Mica, Black choppers, with S
July 6, 2007 - 16:20 ET by Chris NormanMica,
Black choppers, with Satan driving, at twelve o'clock.
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
- Arabian Proverb
Chris:Darn!Satan again?
July 6, 2007 - 16:34 ET by Mica the MagnificentChris:
Darn!
Satan again?
"Some people believe tha
July 6, 2007 - 16:21 ET by QueenMum"Some people believe that a www computer system may be used in the end times to control people. There has been some talk about www being 666, and a computer somewhere called, "The Beast."
You really need to be more careful about what you say, Debra. You're scaring the children.
Anyway, I think The Beast is a roller coaster at King's Island in Cincinnati.
We are not interested in the possibilities of defeat. - Queen Victoria
That is a HUGE and wicked-fas
July 6, 2007 - 16:04 ET by Mean Gene Dr. LoveThat is a HUGE and wicked-fast computer system! There are always literally millions of people on the phone in this country...the task of recording and tracking all of those calls is close to if not entirely insurmountable. If this computer really does exist, why then do they subpeona phone records when they already have them? Why are they not able to accurately trace some calls? How long ago did they start recording every phone call? How long do they keep the records? What method do they use to store the records? How many back-up copies do they have? Where do they store the records?
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." --Thomas Jefferson
MG,I'm buying stock in Renold
July 6, 2007 - 16:06 ET by SemperrightMG,
I'm buying stock in Renolds Wrap as we speak, when this gets out I'll be uber rich
No Soup For You
Mean Gene Dr. Love,Do you rea
July 6, 2007 - 16:07 ET byMean Gene Dr. Love,
Do you really believe that we do not have the ability to do this?
djms...
I definitely agree with the D
July 6, 2007 - 16:15 ET by BeowulfI definitely agree with the Doc that we do not have the ability to do this, nor the reason. The storage capacity alone would be the size of a Manhatten skyscraper, let alone the system capable of tracking and recording billions of calls per day. This sounds like a Rosie conspiracy (I hope she isn't reading NB - never mind. I didn't realize how dumb THAT statement was, accusing her of reading and then adding NB to it).
The Closed Mind Erects Strong Barriers
Being a student of computer s
July 6, 2007 - 16:29 ET by Mean Gene Dr. LoveBeing a student of computer systems I know we technically do have the "ability" to do this, but it is a task that is next to impossible at pulling off by a mainframe supercomputer system. To really be able to do this every telephone substation and relay would need to have a computer capable of recording thousands of simulaneous calls. Additional storage space would have to be added almost constantly and each terminal would have to run flawlessly and some would even have to survive all the weather extremes, humidity, dust, and other contamination.
Then there would have to be hundreds of thousands of technicians that would be sworn to silence about all of the work they do on these systems.
Searching all the records for "key words or phrases" is another huge hurdle. Ever search your hard drive for a single file? How long did it take to find it? Did your computer search in different languages, accents, and dialects?
Ever heard of SETI@home?
"With over 5.2 million participants worldwide, the project is the distributed computing project with the most participants to date. Since its launch on May 17, 1999, the project has logged over two million years of aggregate computing time. On September 26, 2001, SETI@home had performed a total of 1021 floating point operations. It is acknowledged by the Guinness World Records as the largest computation in history (Newport 2005). With over 1.36 million computers in the system, as of March 12, 2007, SETI@home has the ability to compute over 265 TeraFLOPS [1]. For comparison, Blue Gene(currently the world's fastest supercomputer) computes just over 360 TFLOPS." --from Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SETI@home#Statistics.
And that is just analyzing chunks of radio waves taken from one radio telescope...it is not recording/compressing/storing/searching/analyzing millions of simulaneous phone calls.
If you really believe everything you say on the phone is being recorded do you still talk on the phone? If so why?
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." --Thomas Jefferson
STOP IT GENE!!You and your fa
July 6, 2007 - 16:38 ET by SemperrightSTOP IT GENE!!
You and your facts. What are you going to do when the gubmint teraflops your ass in jail. They see you, they hear you and they're working on a type of sensor implanted in stray dogs that come up and lick you . They can taste you Gene. What are you gonna do about that, SETI your ass home and think nothings wrong? Theys gonna get us, you'll see. You'll ALL SEE.
(Crazy OFF)
No Soup For You
Gene...what would a student know
July 6, 2007 - 16:53 ET by LionKingGene...silly student. Do not be so naive.
As a computer professional, I can assure you that Debra's fears are well-founded. It is no wonder that all communication is being converted to digital. In the industry, it is well known that the government has daisy-chained multiple supercomputers to achieve exponential computing capability. Through multi-threaded processing, these computers log and compress all communications. Unfortunately, due to national security concerns, normal law enforcement does not have access to this system. There are future plans to give limited access to the various law enforcement entities.
It should be of additional interest that aside from all of this communication processing, it also manages the US Weather project; liberals refer to this as the Rove Weather Machine. Those familiar with Chaos Theory and the Butterfly Effect will find this particularly interesting. With a very complex mathematical model of out global weather, we can affect the weather around the world by introducing specific stimuli from various locations. our weather balloons do more that just study the weather, these are actually weather stimulus devices. How many times has a reported UFO turned out to be just a weather balloon...the confusion is the usual illumination that comes from the stimulus on the balloon.
I hope this clarifies this alleged conspiracy once and for all.
[All of you libtards curl up in your fetal position and pray that none of this is true.]
LK you forgot about the stray
July 6, 2007 - 16:59 ET by SemperrightLK
you forgot about the stray dog sensors, they can taste you.
I hope Debra doesn't work in a kennel.
No Soup For You
That's it...now I will only s
July 6, 2007 - 17:08 ET by Mean Gene Dr. LoveThat's it...now I will only speak in code while on the phone (maybe I should even do it on the computer especially in forums like this?) if the people on the other end can't understand me I'll eventually get fewer and fewer phone calls until I get none.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." --Thomas Jefferson
Gene The pearl is in the rive
July 6, 2007 - 17:10 ET by SemperrightGene
The pearl is in the river
repete
The pearl is in the river
No Soup For You
The cat is out of the bag.How
July 6, 2007 - 17:18 ET by Mean Gene Dr. LoveThe cat is out of the bag.
How now brown cow?
Wash the dog. Don't look at me. The roof is on fire.
"The frame of unrestraint must be glowing from bout to era with the cruor of jingoists and Vaders." --NOT PUBLIUS
Gene,The scary thing is is th
July 6, 2007 - 17:22 ET by SemperrightGene,
The scary thing is is that random words strung together make as much sense as the tin foil force.
If you play a computer backwards the CIA tells you to register your cat for reeducation.
No Soup For You
random words
July 6, 2007 - 17:24 ET by LionKingThe scary thing is that random words strung together make as much sense as a liberal talking point.
HOLY CRAP GENE,we used the wo
July 6, 2007 - 17:27 ET by SemperrightHOLY CRAP GENE,
we used the word cat in two consecutive posts. The code is compromised. Abort Abort
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Aw, feces!"The tree of l
July 6, 2007 - 17:32 ET by Mean Gene Dr. LoveAw, feces! Wiping hard drive now! Unplugging from network!
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." --Thomas Jefferson
Me too,and it's time for dinn
July 6, 2007 - 17:35 ET by SemperrightMe too,
and it's time for dinner. Sushi and Sapporo.
Life is good
hasta
No Soup For You
...
July 6, 2007 - 17:35 ET by LionKingMETAL...FETAL...FECAL
Somebody send a blackhawk out
July 6, 2007 - 17:37 ET by SemperrightSomebody send a blackhawk out for that guy
No Soup For You
gene...funny you that you mention that
July 6, 2007 - 17:15 ET by LionKingThere is actually a computer communication encoding project called jabberwocky.
[Actually it is an IDE for LISP, but it sounded good.]
Gee LK,I thought the "Bu
July 6, 2007 - 17:52 ET by BlondeGee LK,
I thought the "Butterfly Effect" was some esoteric sex act mentioned on L.A. Law. Now you're telling me it's a mathematical model for code decryption. What's up with that?
I know Bush heard my call to
July 6, 2007 - 16:08 ET by Mica the MagnificentI know Bush heard my call to my mama yesterday. I saw him on t.v. and he looked into the camera. I saw him wink at me. That was the sign.
Hello? This is George Bush. I heard you call your mama yesterday. Just checking to see if she's a terrorist. No? O-k, then have a nice day. - - - Liberal hell
Howdy Mica...When the Prez wi
July 6, 2007 - 16:14 ET by bigtimerHowdy Mica...
When the Prez winked at you did you get all happy gitty gooshy inside?
...this inquiring mind wants to know....
LOL...
bigtimer: I got happy and git
July 6, 2007 - 16:17 ET by Mica the Magnificentbigtimer: I got happy and gitty, but I haven't gotten gooshy in weeks.
There's no way they'd have th
July 6, 2007 - 16:47 ET by pbanks7There's no way they'd have the resources or the time to record all calls. Period.
They record the phone numbers - that's constitutional. Supreme court decided that one in the 1979:
Although subjective expectations cannot be scientifically gauged, it is too much to believe that telephone subscribers, under these circumstances, harbor any general expectation that the numbers they dial will remain secret. (Smith v. Maryland, 1979).
They've been tapping overseas calls since WWII. The "warrantless wiretaps" are only on international calls - legal. The Supreme court decided that in 1982.
I did a research paper on it:
In Salisbury v. United States, the District of Columbia United States Court of Appeals ruled that the Government might indeed intercept all foreign calls to and from the United States. Harrison Salisbury, a foreign correspondent for the New York Times, filed a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request for transcripts of his intercepted foreign communications. The National Security Agency (NSA) refused, citing national security interests. He then sued the government, claiming his First and Fourth Amendment rights had been violated.
“Prior to the enactment of FISA, virtually every court to consider the question had held that the President has inherent authority to conduct electronic surveillance to collect foreign intelligence information and that there is an exception to the Fourth Amendment's warrant requirement for such surveillance.” (United States v. Pelton, 1987, emphasis mine).
Of course, thanks to NBers here, I was able to use these sources to go to the law library, something no MSM reporter has bothered to do.
Ignorance is bliss. It's easier to repeat a mindless slogan than to do some actual research.
Debrathe expectation of "
July 6, 2007 - 14:41 ET by PKDebra
the expectation of "privacy" in any communication except between two people face to face in a closed room in our current society is ill advised.
might be called dumb.
might even be called stupid.
definately is naive.
C
PK (C),Yes, you are correct.
July 6, 2007 - 15:42 ET byPK (C),
Yes, you are correct. Yet, most of us forget and just talk away on phone calls about anything and everything --and we should be able to.
djms...
DebraWhy would you believe th
July 6, 2007 - 14:43 ET by buddycDELETED
DebraWhy would you believe th
July 6, 2007 - 14:43 ET by buddycDebra
Why would you believe that your calls were listened to? The decision said that "there was no showing" that the ACLU's clients had been spied on! What am I missing? Why would you buy into the brainwashing that big brother is sitting there listening to your private telephone calls?
My situation, buddyc, was ov
July 6, 2007 - 15:44 ET byMy situation, buddyc, was over two decades ago and had nothing to do with terrorists. The reason I mention it is that I know how it feels to find out that someone has been listening into your calls. ....djms
With a simple modification to
July 6, 2007 - 17:00 ET by pbanks7With a simple modification to a scanner, you can listen in on wireless telephones, and probably cell phones too.
Ignorance is bliss. It's easier to repeat a mindless slogan than to do some actual research.
Debra,
July 6, 2007 - 14:48 ET by c5thenthis particular program only tracks calls into or out of the US using the known numbers from terrorists captured and interrogated. The NSA and CIA have always had the ability to listen to foreign phone calls and have almost since their inception. The issue here is that one end of the call is in the US.
Unless you wer goofy or gushy or giddy on over-seas calls, you have nothing to worry about in this case.
The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic
Plus the calls would have to
July 6, 2007 - 14:52 ET by SemperrightPlus the calls would have to get past the DERKA DERKA detectors, By RoveCO patent pending
The what???
July 6, 2007 - 16:00 ET byThe what???
It is a device that identifie
July 6, 2007 - 16:04 ET by SemperrightIt is a device that identifies and records Terrorese, It works great except the liberals keep setting it off.
No Soup For You
Semperrright:Ouch!
July 6, 2007 - 16:19 ET by Mica the MagnificentSemperrright:
Ouch!
c5then,I hope that I am wrong
July 6, 2007 - 15:52 ET byc5then,
I hope that I am wrong on this and that you are right. But, if I am correct, would it bother you to have your calls listened to?
djms...
Debra, Let me explain how
July 6, 2007 - 15:01 ET by BeowulfDebra,
Let me explain how the so-called "domestic" wiretapping really worked. The NSA has a bank of supercomputers (by far the most powerful on the planet) sitting in their basement. These computers listen in on select OVERSEAS calls (selected by location of known or suspected terrorist activities - i.e. Afghanistan, Syria, etc.). The computers listen for key words, phrases, or names, like explosives, blow-up, Bin Laden, etc. Only when such is "heard" by the computer is anything recorded. It is then flagged for further attention. If it is nothing, it is not kept. And most importantly, there never was anything "domestic" about it. It involved overseas calls only.
So, unless you are calling Afghanistan to discuss where to place your explosives to blow up an American building that Bin Laden would like to see destroyed, you really don't have to worry too much about someone listening in on your calls.
The Closed Mind Erects Strong Barriers
Beowulf,I hope that you are r
July 6, 2007 - 15:56 ET byBeowulf,
I hope that you are right and that I am wrong. But, does it really make sense for our government to believe that such phone calls by terrorists only involve overseas calls?
And if I am right, how would you feel to find out that your calls were listened in on?
djms...
Tin foil hat,That's all I'm s
July 6, 2007 - 15:58 ET by SemperrightTin foil hat,
That's all I'm sayin'
No Soup For You
No, terrorist calls don't onl
July 6, 2007 - 16:22 ET by BeowulfNo, terrorist calls don't only involve overseas calls. Only about 98% of them. Those that are truly domestic require the same warrants that any other state-side call does.
As for how would I feel if my calls were being listened to? I couldn't care less. If the NSA wants to hear about my Honey-Do list or those special phone-sex with my wife calls, have at it. I'm not doing or discussing anything illegal, and anyone who thinks my calls (or most of yours) would hold the slightest interest to the big bad government should make an appointment with a good pshrink (in person, of course. Don't want to get on that government mentally-ill list, do ya?).
The Closed Mind Erects Strong Barriers