I was confident the New York Times would find a way to pour cold water on the Fourth of July. Still, turning to it this morning, I was curious to see just what kind of wet [with that cold water]blanket the Times would throw on our national holiday. And the Grey Lady didn't disappoint, with a sour, melancholy editorial viewing America through the eyes of other countries -- and naturally finding us wanting.Looking Outward on the Fourth begins with a lament over "these very difficult times, four years deep into a war that has turned much of the world against this country." Got that? It's America's fault that times are tough, not that the world seethes with madmen who want to destroy the West. The editors then take a shot at unnamed "political leaders" [who could they be?] who "seek to arrogate the idea of freedom as their own political preserve."
The Times then goes into Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin mode:
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Ideas have a way of recommending themselves by the behavior of the men and women who hold them, and this is no less true of nations. The question isn’t simply whether we can project our ideal of freedom around the world. The question is whether, by who we are and how we behave, we can make the freedom that animates us compelling to others.Capiche? On the Fourth, you jingoistic hicks out there indulge in easy, comfortable gratification over how great America is. But not the Times. Citizen of the world that it is, the Times sees America through the eyes of other countries. And guess what? Things are "equivocal." We might not be living up to the expectations of France, Venezuela, China. Who knows -- perhap even Borat's beloved Kazakhstan is disappointed in us.
The country looks inward on the Fourth of July — not in introspection, but in an easy, comfortable sense of historical gratification. Yet this is a good day to look outward as well.
It is a day to ask how good a job — from the world’s perspective — we are doing living up to the principles enunciated in the Declaration of Independence, whether we have done enough to make those sonorous old rights seem like more than a limited case in a limited argument. The answer is more equivocal than we like to believe.
Oh, the weltschmerz!
P.S. We're not living up to the principles of the Declaration of Independence? We don't behave in a way that makes our freedom "compelling to others"? No wonder no one wants to come live here.
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I think, perhaps, it's time t
July 4, 2007 - 07:59 ET by ThisnThatI think, perhaps, it's time to ask how good a job the Times -- from the reader's perspective -- is doing in living up to its stated Guidelines on Integrity.
Integrity
July 4, 2007 - 11:40 ET by PAPA LIntegrity? You are not talking about the NY Times are you?
I really don't know why any American business would advertise in this Anti American rag.
There was an editorial from
July 4, 2007 - 08:14 ET by terrigThere was an editorial from some dude from Carthage College in WI in our Augusta Chronicle. I guess in their effort to be fair and balanced they had to have a melancholy editorial on how un great this nation is as well. Yeah, this is such an awful place no one wants to come here. Yeah, right.
Here is yet another hateful c
July 4, 2007 - 08:59 ET by ThisnThatHere is yet another hateful column from the Boston Globe. This is from D. Jackson, a well-known racist. Every column he writes is against white people. This one is titled "Another era of willful white ignorance". One of his beginning comments is "This is what the majority of white America voted for by putting President Bush in the White House for two terms", and it just gets worse from there.
The Boston Globe (owned by the NYTimes) thinks it's ok to continue to spout, on its editorial pages, hateful, racist language like this. This man (Jackson) has a free reign to say anything, and I mean anything, he wants. The Globe doesn't think this is wrong at all, and stands behind these types of editorials 100%.
It's one of the reasons I unsubscribed from that newspaper. I thought I would check it out on-line today, though, just to see what kinds of 4th-of-July articles the Globe thinks are worthy on a day like this. Sorry I did. Now I have to go wash my eyes out with soap and a strong dis-infectant.
Honestly, who gives big rat
July 4, 2007 - 18:58 ET by Seabeach4348Honestly, who gives big rats rear what the New York Slimes, the Boston Globe, or the "rest of the world" thinks of us! If the "rest of the world" hates us so much and we are so out of step with their socialist-defeatist world view then why do they continue to bust OUR borders trying to get in here?
And, message for "rest of the world": if we are such an embarrassment to you call on someone else for a change to protect your butts when yet another fascist dictator threatens to blow your little socialist sewer hole to smithereens and change your way of life!
God bless our fine military for making the celebration possible and for our great country and for our freedom! And may we have many, many more Independence Days!
I sincerely hope all my NB br
July 4, 2007 - 08:50 ET by Roger the ShrubberI sincerely hope all my NB brethren celebrate Independence Day Like I am sure our socialist comrades like Davey, Waka, Leo, Montana, etc, will be: sitting benneath a dark, damp kitchen sink, hating life.
Roger -- you nailed it. Lib
July 4, 2007 - 11:43 ET by ncstevemRoger -- you nailed it.
Libs typically are an unhappy lot. One of my best frineds is a big time lib and he's one of the few I know who actually enjoys their life. From my experience though, he's one of the exceptions. I think the lib's unhappiness is rooted in something of a self hatred.
...Like I am sure our socia
July 4, 2007 - 16:20 ET by Dave R...Like I am sure our socialist comrades like Davey, Waka, Leo, Montana,
etc, will be: sitting benneath a dark, damp kitchen sink,.......
I hope they are comfortable, as their favorite holiday doesn't roll around until the first day of next May.
Help Fred Thompson defeat the RINOs, along with the Hitllary/Obama axis, & win the White House in '08.
P.S. We're not living up to
July 4, 2007 - 08:52 ET by DontFeedTheTrollsP.S. We're not living up to the principles of the Declaration of
Independence? We don't behave in a way that makes our freedom
"compelling to others"? No wonder no one wants to come live here.
That's it in a nutshell, immigrants (legal and illegal) just keep coming, year in and year out, but the Times, et. al., 'think' they hate us so much none would want to be here.
I'll start to worry when everyone starts leaving.
Unless they are from Hollywood.
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I don't support our liberals or their mission.
D - I wonder how many people
July 4, 2007 - 09:02 ET by ThisnThatD - I wonder how many people at the NYTimes have every even read the Declaration of Independence? Is it even taught in schools any more?
Happy 4th of July From Iraq
July 4, 2007 - 09:30 ET by CrossWiseRangerOn this 4th of July, I am blessed by being among the soldiers, sailors, airmen, and marines of our armed forces in Iraq. Morale is high and everyone is committed to helping the Iraqi people and to protecting our great nation. As I write this there is a ceremony ongoing here in Al Faw Palace -- 585 soldiers are reenlisting and 160 soldiers are becoming naturalized citizens.
So spend your 4th enjoying family and friends. Hug your daughter, kiss your spouse, take your dog to the park, have a cookout with those you love.
We are not the first troops, nor will we be the last, to be gone on the 4th or Christmas or a child's birthday or a wedding anniversary. However, God willing, we will be home soon.
God Bless America
Major, Special Forces
Camp Victory, Iraq
Glad to hear from you, Ranger
July 4, 2007 - 09:35 ET by ThisnThatGlad to hear from you, Ranger, more than you will know. My Marine son is also deployed there, and he reports the same. And, he adds "hoo-rah"!
We're all proud of what you are doing, and respect your commitment and professonalism. Keep up the good work; stay safe; and come back for the victory parade soon.
"victory parade soon&q
July 4, 2007 - 10:28 ET by kafkakaefer"victory parade soon"
Have I missed something?
"Hegel says somewhere all great events and personalities in world history reappear in one fashion or another. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce."
The Eighteeenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1852) sect. 1, Cf.
Have I missed something?Yes,
July 4, 2007 - 15:21 ET by Roger the ShrubberHave I missed something?
Yes, Deiter. You have. Welcome back to earth.
Roger,I simply won't respond
July 4, 2007 - 18:00 ET by ThisnThatRoger,
I simply won't respond to any of his postings. He doesn't deserve recognition, especially when I was making a comment to one of our soldiers. He's basically a useless piece of carbon on this planet.
"He doesn't deserve re
July 5, 2007 - 12:33 ET by kafkakaefer"He doesn't deserve recognition, especially when I was making a comment to one of our soldiers."
Oh, american soldiers, the saints of the new millenium. I am sorry, but I think you misled your comrade in the field. There won't be a victory parade, because there won't be a victory.
"Hegel says somewhere all great events and personalities in world history reappear in one fashion or another. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce."
The Eighteeenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1852) sect. 1, Cf.
Thank you Major, and to all
July 4, 2007 - 10:26 ET by BacchusThank you Major, and to all of the wonderful men and women serving in Iraq and Afghanistan, for all that you do.
Thank you and may God bless y
July 4, 2007 - 13:32 ET by stratmanThank you and may God bless you and keep you safe in your sacrifice and service to our nation. Thank you for making a difference in our world that so few do today or in history.
From a military BRAT...thank
July 4, 2007 - 21:15 ET by Del DolemonteFrom a military BRAT...thank you for your service!
Thanks for your service, Majo
July 5, 2007 - 01:53 ET by Seabeach4348Thanks for your service, Major. And God bless you and your fellow soldiers for making this all possible.
Thanks for your service, Majo
July 5, 2007 - 02:06 ET by Seabeach4348Thanks for your service, Major. And God bless you and your fellow soldiers for making this all possible.
Sorry, duplicate message; something weird happened with the server.
Death to the Grey Lady.Mich
July 4, 2007 - 10:06 ET by BacchusDeath to the Grey Lady.
Micheal Ledeen wrote yesterday in a blog post "Death to the Women" about the value Islamic theology places on women:
Thus it's fitting that the Grey Lady (The New York Times) is half a man today. Throw a burqua over it.
Happy 4th, NewsBusters!
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Self Serving
July 4, 2007 - 10:18 ET by allanfMore self-serving nonsense served up by the New York Times. The newspaper bashes the United States to its readers and then complains the United States is not popular in polls.
One would not expect the United States to be popular in many parts of the world. Golly, the North Koreans may not like us. Middle Eastern nations, which treat women as property may not like us. Go figure.
Both France and Germany had leaders whose relationship with the United States was less intimate. In both instances, relations with the United States was a major campaign issue. In each case, the candidate who promised to seek a better relationship with the United States won.
It would be hard though to find a publication so singularly wrong about great issues as the post World War II New York Times.
"In each case, the can
July 4, 2007 - 10:30 ET by kafkakaefer"In each case, the candidate who promised to seek a better relationship with the United States won."
If you want to imply that that was the cause: forget it!
"Hegel says somewhere all great events and personalities in world history reappear in one fashion or another. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce."
The Eighteeenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1852) sect. 1, Cf.
Yep, our Eurotrash friend is
July 4, 2007 - 10:41 ET by Roger the ShrubberYep, our Eurotrash friend is correct about France. And Germany.
No wonder you lost two world wars in the past 100 years.
Thanx for your compliments.
July 4, 2007 - 10:52 ET by kafkakaeferThanx for your compliments. But american trash is pretty good, too.
"Hegel says somewhere all great events and personalities in world history reappear in one fashion or another. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce."
The Eighteeenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1852) sect. 1, Cf.
As always, pointing out your
July 4, 2007 - 10:57 ET by Roger the ShrubberAs always, pointing out your stupid comments is always a pleasure. You make it so easy. Must be my stoopid 'Merican edukashion.
Enjoy "Birthday of the country who has saved your sorry ass so many times" Day, Sparky.
how is it about thanking France for saving your proud ass?
July 4, 2007 - 11:03 ET by kafkakaeferThat makes me wonder, what you are actually talking about. Anyway how is it about thanking France for saving your proud ass?
"Hegel says somewhere all great events and personalities in world history reappear in one fashion or another. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce."
The Eighteeenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1852) sect. 1, Cf.
We have repaid France. Numero
July 4, 2007 - 14:31 ET by Roger the ShrubberWe have repaid France. Numerous times. And kicked your gandpappy's ass. Twice. Who knows, your mom might have had a little American in her. At any rate, your sour grapes are pathetic. You should have taken your earlier beating like a man and stepped away. But no, you are a little boy, so all we get is wah wah wah. From now on, you are to be known as Deiter.
After reading your whiny, bitchy posts today, I have to ask you: little boy, hate America much? If so, woohoo! Kiss my American Ass, Euroweenie! Every morning you wake up, just remember that you are able to wake up because of MY country. You owe us everything you have. In fact, foreign aid from MY country is #1. What about Germany?
Don't come into this website on the birthday of MY country and try to be a hard-ass, dumbass. Ta-ta, Deiter!
Wow! So much resentment in
July 5, 2007 - 11:35 ET by kafkakaeferWow! So much resentment in so few words. You are amazingly hateful.
"You owe us everything you have."
That's why I'm repaying by giving you something to read which you hardly get in America: perspective. (At least I liked to. Most of the time I have to respond to stupid personal attacks, like yours.)
What about Germany?
Why do you think I am happy with the situation as it is?
"Hegel says somewhere all great events and personalities in world history reappear in one fashion or another. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce."
The Eighteeenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1852) sect. 1, Cf.
Yawn. Your "perspective&
July 5, 2007 - 12:02 ET by Roger the ShrubberYawn. Your "perspective" consists of ill-informed anti-Americanism , where you just cannot admit that you NEED America.
I have proven you to be less-than-worthy twice yesterday, once on how Germany and France have elected new pro-US leaders, and how the USA is the world's largest contributor of foreign aid. Yet, you just plow on, not reading, not comprehending, not really showing a desire to learn, only to bitch and moan.
Wah! Personal attacks! Wah! Hatemonger! I am merely telling you like it is. Euro-weenies like you, like a good portion of young, stupid liberal brainwashed minds in America, too, seem to forget America's place in the world. You resent us, yet you need us. Desperately.
I do not hate you, Deiter. I pity you. Quit being a little sissy, Deiter, and grow a pair.
"I have proven you to
July 5, 2007 - 12:15 ET by kafkakaefer"I have proven you to be less-than-worthy twice yesterday, once on how
Germany and France have elected new pro-US leaders, and how the USA is
the world's largest contributor of foreign aid."
As I have never disputed that the german and french people elected more american friendly governments, your arrogance seems a little out of touch with reality. Secondly, even if the U.S. is spending most of foreign aid, that doesn't make them necessarily the most benevolent country. Do you think you can buy yourself off the hook so easily? And believe me anti-Americanism would sound different.
"seem to forget America's place in the world."
Hm, this big country akwardly being first and third world at the same time? No?
"Hegel says somewhere all great events and personalities in world history reappear in one fashion or another. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce."
The Eighteeenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1852) sect. 1, Cf.
Odd. Yesterday, at 10:30, you
July 5, 2007 - 12:35 ET by Roger the ShrubberOdd. Yesterday, at 10:30, you wrote:
"In each case, the candidate who promised to seek a better relationship with the United States won." If you want to imply that that was the cause: forget it! Whoops, looks like I was correct.
As for foreign aid from the US, record-setting amount of VOLUNTARY PRIVATE donations were given in 2005. To me, non-forced donations to help the poor of the world is, without a doubt, benevolent. Whoops, looks like I was correct. Again.
Your other comments only further your disconnect with reality, and your consistent inability to mentally spar with me. You are truly an unworthy opponent, Deiter.
This is where you pick up whatever small amount of dignity you have left and go home, Deiter. Have a nice day, comrade.
Shrub your butt
July 5, 2007 - 12:49 ET by kafkakaeferJesus mf Christ, you seem to have grave reading problems. Where did I say that these leaders were not more america-friendly than the ones before? Exactly nowhere! So I will explain it to you in simple terms: They were not elected, because they wanted to improve their relationships with America (as implied by the quoted comment), but for other reasons. Whoops, put your arrogance where it belongs
.
Next I wonder how much of this 122 billion dollars actually help the poor. And are you aware, that 20 or so billion of those 122 billion come from those people many liked to see kicked out of the U.S. for not having a working permit? How much of this money is channeled onto the bank accounts of dictators? How much money is used to promote some obscure form of religious practice? How much money comes back to America? You are naive my friend.
"Hegel says somewhere all great events and personalities in world history reappear in one fashion or another. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce."
The Eighteeenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1852) sect. 1, Cf.
kaf...fer, might want to watc
July 5, 2007 - 12:57 ET by vrwc13kaf...fer, might want to watch your language there. Jesus happens to be a friend of mine and doesn't take well to using His name in vain. I'd watch my backside if I were you.
Oh nooooooooooooooooooooooo
July 5, 2007 - 13:01 ET by kafkakaeferOh nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!
As you linked to the Old Testament, this doesn't apply here. No Jesus there.
"Hegel says somewhere all great events and personalities in world history reappear in one fashion or another. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce."
The Eighteeenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1852) sect. 1, Cf.
Can't say I didn't warn you.M
July 5, 2007 - 13:05 ET by vrwc13Can't say I didn't warn you.
Men stumble over the truth from time to time, but most pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing happened. -Winston Churchill.
Thx, but this won't be nece
July 5, 2007 - 13:08 ET by kafkakaeferThx, but this wasn't be necessary. You will see.
"Hegel says somewhere all great events and personalities in world history reappear in one fashion or another. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce."
The Eighteeenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1852) sect. 1, Cf.
Sorry, but The Word is Jesus.
July 5, 2007 - 13:12 ET by amberSorry, but The Word is Jesus. This is from memory, so you might want to grab a Bible, it is from the first chapter of John. "In the beginning was the word and the word was with God."
But, to a non-believer, that does not matter. What does is that it offends some people to take the name of the Lord in vain (basicaly you are saying something very vulgar and atributing the name of the son of God to it, not cool) , so, it would be much appreciated if you could stick to traditional swear words. I too would appreciate it. Thanks.
In the beginning was not the bible.
July 5, 2007 - 13:19 ET by kafkakaefer"In the beginning was the word and the word was with God."
Which is in my opinion a bad translation into the english language (but not only english, in german it is the same). The original greek expression for "word", was "logos" and this was not a reference to the bible. Believe me.
Anyway it is a little bit akward, that people get upset about something like that (which was not even an ad hominem attack), but think it is ok to swear at people. Something is weird here. Perhaps there will be some burning german embassies next time.
"Hegel says somewhere all great events and personalities in world history reappear in one fashion or another. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce."
The Eighteeenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1852) sect. 1, Cf.
Maybe some "burning"
July 5, 2007 - 13:24 ET by vrwc13Maybe some "burning" to result, but not what you may think it's going to be....
Men stumble over the truth from time to time, but most pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing happened. -Winston Churchill.
Of course it was an ad hominem attack kaka
July 5, 2007 - 16:37 ET by RJOf course it was an ad hominem attack kaka, and deliberate, too. You knew it would be offensive to Christians, and that made it a personal attack. That you first perpetrate it and then deny it exposes you as having a low character.
"What does is that it of
July 5, 2007 - 16:25 ET by QueenMum"What does is that it offends some people to take the name of the Lord in vain (basicaly you are saying something very vulgar and atributing the name of the son of God to it, not cool) , so, it would be much appreciated if you could stick to traditional swear words."
Agreed.
We are not interested in the possibilities of defeat. - Queen Victoria
"...linked to the Old Te
July 5, 2007 - 16:21 ET by vrwc13"...linked to the Old Testament, this doesn't apply here. No Jesus there."
Bible 101: Jesus always was, is, and will be. He is One with the Father.
Advanced: He was before time, in the Old Testament, the New Testament, and your future!
Nice try. I think I was very
July 5, 2007 - 13:18 ET by Roger the ShrubberNice try. I think I was very plain and concise with my argument. You are trying to revise what you said, and are not doing a good job at it. Germany and France elected two leaders who, in their campaigning (which I supplied links to before) included a more pro-US stance. I am sorry you cannot accept it, but clenching your fists and holding your breath does not change the facts.
As for donations, once again you are trying to change the argument. Call me naive, but I believe you stated the US is not benevolent,. I have proven the US IS benevolent, and now you are trying to throw up pathetic defense of your previous stupid statement. You sound like a pathetic, out-of-touch Communist with your last statement. No wonder you suck.
Like I said before, you are out of your league here, Deiter. I pitied you earlier. I only laugh at you now. The majority of people on thie website laugh at you. Congratulations, you have made European socialism look dumber by your actions. Good work, Deiter!
Nice try again. Still tryin
July 5, 2007 - 13:32 ET by kafkakaeferNice try again. Still trying to twist my arguents, I see. This is getting a little bit boring, though. But again: They were not elected for being U.S. friendly, but more or less despite it. You have seen what french and germans say in poles about American policies, haven't you? So please, don't be ridiculous. But on the other hand make some exegesis of my original comments, but please stick to my words!
Secondly, and no open up your mind: I have never said that the U.S. is not benevolent! So you are naive then.
It slowly comes to my mind, that this is not my league indeed. You behave as if you were in kindergarten.
"Hegel says somewhere all great events and personalities in world history reappear in one fashion or another. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce."
The Eighteeenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1852) sect. 1, Cf.
Your apology is accepted.
July 5, 2007 - 13:49 ET by Roger the ShrubberYour apology is accepted.
Dang! It sounds like you ho
July 5, 2007 - 14:10 ET by JerryDang! It sounds like you hold a position that just can't lose. If they elect anti-Americans, it's because they hate Bush. If they elect pro-Americans, it's because.... you guessed it.... they hate Bush.
It's like Global Warming. If it's hot.. GW. If it's cold.. GW. If it rains... GW. If it snows in June... GW. If the weather fluctuates at all..... GW.
By the way, this is just another indication of the validity of "poles". If their "hatred for America & American policies" POLLing results were correct, these elected leaders would not have had a snow ball's chance on a Globally Warmed planet.
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
"If they elect anti-Amer
July 9, 2007 - 07:28 ET by kafkakaefer"If they elect anti-Americans, it's because they hate Bush. If they
elect pro-Americans, it's because.... you guessed it.... they hate
Bush."
This is kindergarten! The next one insinuating that I had written something, which I didn't write. Read my words more carefully.
"Hegel says somewhere all great events and personalities in world history reappear in one fashion or another. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce."
The Eighteeenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1852) sect. 1, Cf.
You know Roger, I wont even d
July 5, 2007 - 12:53 ET by BEGRUNTYou know Roger, I wont even dignify these morons with a response anymore, because it is like talking to a brick. Remeber Spacey from the other day? All they do is spout the same crap, and constantly say you misquote them or are not answering their question.........complete waste of time. He is probably one of those "anarchist" clowns......professional agitators, spoiled rich leftist/marxist kids, who have never worked a day in their sorry lives, and live off of mommy and daddy's money. Their only job is "student", which they have been for 10 plus years.............losers.
el shrushbo -- I know it's
July 4, 2007 - 11:02 ET by Jack Bauerel shrushbo -- I know it's a still photo, but that French horse still looks like a fake stuffed equine to me.
And I do believe the story should more correctly be referencing President REAGAN, who was, by far, the most famous horse riding American President.
Allen --- the NYT didn't do s
July 4, 2007 - 11:50 ET by ncstevemAllen --- the NYT didn't do so well pre - WWII either. How about Walter Duranty's Pulitzer Prize winning (1932) reporting on the utopia that was Stalin's Ukraine where millions starved during forced collectivization of agriculture?
So, I'm just wondering how
July 4, 2007 - 10:34 ET by jpm100So, I'm just wondering how they handled the news that France elected a more American friendly President and he is also working to reverse Muslim immigration?
I haven't been following, so my guess is they're in denial about it. At best they took France off their European vacation and doubled their time in Spain.
New York Times
July 4, 2007 - 11:05 ET by A. Neal Thompsonneal We are in the enviable position of being the most powerful nation on earth. The Times does not know that as such, we command respect. What could be the motivation for trying to make our citizens think less of our nation? Should we ignore the fact that we are the most benovelent nation, and often send aid to most all needy situations? The Times has positioned itself as an enemy of the U. S., and are trying to convince the world that they should be an enemy, too.
What is the end game of the media elitists? Any ideas?
"Should we ignore the
July 4, 2007 - 11:08 ET by kafkakaefer"Should we ignore the fact that we are the most benovelent nation, and often send aid to most all needy situations?"
Who in the world is teaching that crap to you conservatives?
"Hegel says somewhere all great events and personalities in world history reappear in one fashion or another. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce."
The Eighteeenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1852) sect. 1, Cf.
As a matter of fact, the Un
July 4, 2007 - 11:11 ET by Jack BauerAs a matter of fact, the United States is by far the world's most generous nation when it comes to foreign aid and charitable giving.
Germany is one of the least generous. Very mean.
Jaqueline, Instead of compa
July 4, 2007 - 11:14 ET by kafkakaeferJaqueline,
Instead of comparing what they do, you should compare what they could do. Anyway that wasn't my point.
"Hegel says somewhere all great events and personalities in world history reappear in one fashion or another. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce."
The Eighteeenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1852) sect. 1, Cf.
A typical mental answer fro
July 4, 2007 - 11:15 ET by Jack BauerA typical mental answer from you. Goodbye headcase.
St. Jacques,Have a nice day
July 4, 2007 - 11:22 ET by kafkakaeferSt. Jacques,
Have a nice day. I know it is to late to save you from yourself.
"Hegel says somewhere all great events and personalities in world history reappear in one fashion or another. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce."
The Eighteeenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1852) sect. 1, Cf.
"Instead of comparing
July 4, 2007 - 14:52 ET by ckc1227"Instead of comparing what they do, you should compare what they could do."
And instead of yearning for someone else's money, you and others should be thankful we give any at all. If you want to "compare what they could do", keep this in mind: we could do nothing. Because of folks like you, sometimes I wish that's what we did.
"Because of folks like
July 5, 2007 - 11:30 ET by kafkakaefer"Because of folks like you, sometimes I wish that's what we did."
I hope so! Than this stupid discussion ends immediately. You should keep attention to what your government is doing with your money. And if some spending is labeled as "humanitarian aid" or something similar, than you should have a second look at the issue.
"Hegel says somewhere all great events and personalities in world history reappear in one fashion or another. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce."
The Eighteeenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1852) sect. 1, Cf.
KafiYou indeed have chosen we
July 4, 2007 - 11:16 ET byKafi
You indeed have chosen well on your tag. Using Hegelian Tactic is all you do. You present the antithesis constantly but don't get synthesis because you lie.
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -Chief Justice John Roberts
As it is usual on this site
July 4, 2007 - 11:19 ET by kafkakaeferAs it is usual on this site, to present just a thesis, and neither presenting proof nor antithesis nor synthesis, I am happy to bring all of you one step further in the process of dialectic reasoning.
"Hegel says somewhere all great events and personalities in world history reappear in one fashion or another. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce."
The Eighteeenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1852) sect. 1, Cf.
First you denied that France
July 4, 2007 - 11:32 ET byFirst you denied that France and Germany elected leaders which were more pro-US. Then you denied that the US is the most benevolent nation. Both LIES.
My corrollary to your dialectic is that liars get a reaction opposing their antithesis which strenghtens the original thesis. But i guess you have merely a superficial knowledge of the true workings. You've become a parody and Hegels hates you for it.
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -Chief Justice John Roberts
Nicely stated botg.
July 4, 2007 - 13:42 ET by stratmanNicely stated botg.
Thank-you and Happy 4th, gott
July 4, 2007 - 14:00 ET byThank-you and Happy 4th, gotta go.
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -Chief Justice John Roberts
Hey BOTG, read it again
July 5, 2007 - 11:25 ET by kafkakaefer"First you denied that France and Germany elected leaders which were more pro-US."
nope, didn`t say that. read again.
"Then you denied that the US is the most benevolent nation."
Yes, and I'm still doing it. But as this belief is part of your ideology, just stand to this comment.
"My corrollary to your dialectic is that liars get a reaction opposing their antithesis which strenghtens the original thesis."
Remains the problem: Where is the synthesis?
"But i guess you have merely a superficial knowledge of the true workings."
I'd like to see your explanation!
"You've become a parody and Hegels hates you for it."
Hegel is dead, my friend.
"Hegel says somewhere all great events and personalities in world history reappear in one fashion or another. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce."
The Eighteeenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1852) sect. 1, Cf.
OK, if the United States is N
July 5, 2007 - 02:13 ET by Seabeach4348OK, if the United States is NOT the most benevolent and generous nation, then which one is? I'm eager to hear the distorted liberal lies the Europussies swallow from their great sewer pipe of hate-America msinformation.
Why do you always have to s
July 5, 2007 - 11:26 ET by kafkakaeferWhy do you always have to see things as a sort of contest?
"Hegel says somewhere all great events and personalities in world history reappear in one fashion or another. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce."
The Eighteeenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1852) sect. 1, Cf.
Sorry, I have to laugh at tha
July 5, 2007 - 12:06 ET by amberSorry, I have to laugh at that one, that is the typical response of a loser.
The answer is, however, because we are Americans, that is how we get better and better. We compete with everyone, including ourselves.
One other complaint I have heard Europeans express about us is that we change things. If there is not lake where we want it, we make one. Again, they are happy to just sit there at their cafe sipping wine or downing pint after pint. Not us, we love the work and the beer. You all talk too much and don't get anything done.
I also believe we still would have won the Revolutionary war without the French. The French were late because it was not in their political interest to help us any sooner. The only reason they fought is because they hated the British and hoped to weaken them. Whenever we have battled for Europe, it has been to save your asses.
The French also tried to take credit for every US victory in WW2. We were benevolent and let them pretend they won back France's freedom, but they did not. The French marched into town like they battled to free the country, when in actuality, they ran away while we worked our asses off, died, and bled for a bunch of ungrateful children.
"We compete with every
July 5, 2007 - 12:26 ET by kafkakaefer"We compete with everyone, including ourselves."
Then next time invade Texas or California, please.
"Whenever we have battled for Europe, it has been to save your asses."
and your assets.
"Hegel says somewhere all great events and personalities in world history reappear in one fashion or another. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce."
The Eighteeenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1852) sect. 1, Cf.
Just wait a few years, after
July 5, 2007 - 14:25 ET by shannon20Just wait a few years, after you Pu**ies give your country over to the terrorist, we won't have to read your garbage anymore! You will burn in HELL for being disrespectful to that serviceman that posted earlier. One day, you will get whats coming to you. BYE-BYE LOSER!
NY Times and MSM
July 4, 2007 - 11:22 ET by pickerseniorDay after day, month after month, year after year, these people crawl out from under their rocks, and spew their venom at the rest of us. We can handle that, but the rest of the world sees it.
A pox on their house!
More NYT bull
July 4, 2007 - 11:44 ET by countywolf1Apparently the horrible NYT view carried over to the A&E channel this year. No 'Pop Goes The Fourth' concert from Boston & Washington on television this evening. Anyway, happy safe & sane Fourth of July!
You may want to check CBS at
July 4, 2007 - 21:19 ET by Del DolemonteYou may want to check CBS at 10 PM Eastern time-they carried the highlights of the Boston concert (and the fireworks) last year.
Right now, I am watching the Boston Pops show on the Boston CBS affiliate. The upcoming fireworks display might be dicey due to the weather (it's raining lightly). Believe it or not, Keith Lockhart is conducting the concert in a yellow rain coat!
Pop Goes The Fourth
July 4, 2007 - 21:56 ET by countywolf1My thanks to Del Dolemonte for the info about CBS carrying the Boston concert. It is indeed on CBS at 10 Pacific. See, CBS can do something right----------------once a year, maybe.
It always lifts my spirits a
July 4, 2007 - 12:06 ET by mattmIt always lifts my spirits a bit when the far Left is unhappy.