Broadcast network anchors and reporters on Tuesday night seemed to be in a near panic over the possibility President Bush might yet pardon Lewis “Scooter” Libby, while ABC's Martha Raddatz illustrated special treatment for Libby by highlighting a man sentenced to 20 years for selling cocaine, whose commutation request Bush rejected, and Martha Stewart who served five months for violations similar to Libby's. With “Libby PARDON?” on screen, NBC Nightly News anchor Brian Williams warned that Bush is “not ruling out the possibility of a full pardon.” Bush remarked on Tuesday that “as to the future, I'm, you know, rule nothing in and nothing out.” CBS Evening News anchor Katie Couric made that her hook, citing “a lot more fireworks today...sparked by what the President said he may or may not do in the future.” Bill Plante began: “A day after he commuted Lewis Libby's prison sentence, President Bush raised the ante by leaving the door open to an eventual pardon.”
ABC anchor Charles Gibson teased World News: “Angry reaction to President Bush sparing Scooter Libby jail time while the President doesn't rule out granting Libby a full pardon.” Martha Raddatz reported: “Mr. Bush took it one step further today, saying a full pardon for Libby is not off the table.” After running a clip of White House Press Secretary Tony Snow maintaining “you do not engage in these acts for symbolic or political reasons,” Raddatz charged: “But that is going to be a hard accusation to shake. At the very least, Libby went to the front of the line. There are currently close to 2,000 commutation requests pending. More than 4,000 have already been denied. During his nearly seven years in office, President Bush has granted only four commutations, including Libby.” She proceeded to highlight how “former Kansas City Royals slugger Willie Mays Aikens, was sentenced to 20 years in prison in 1994 for selling two ounces of crack,” but “Aikens' request to have his sentence commuted was turned down by President Bush.”
But no matter how many commutations or pardons Bush grants, you could always find another sympathetic case of injustice.
MRC analyst Brad Wilmouth corrected the closed-captioning against the video for the July 3 World News story on ABC:
CHARLES GIBSON: Now, to today's noisy fallout from President Bush's decision to commute the sentence of Lewis "Scooter" Libby. The fact that Libby's conviction for lying in the CIA leak investigation stands, while he is spared from serving any prison time, didn't seem to satisfy anyone, except, perhaps, the President himself. Or at least that's what it sounded like in Washington today. Our chief White House correspondent, Martha Raddatz, is there. Martha?
MARTHA RADDATZ: Charlie, the President was unapologetic today, despite criticism from all sides. Mr. Bush took it one step further today, saying a full pardon for Libby is not off the table.
GEORGE W. BUSH: As to the future, I'm, you know, rule nothing in and nothing out.
RADDATZ: But the reaction has been immediate and intense. The Democratic National Committee posted a Web ad slamming the President.
AUDIO OF BUSH, in clip of ad: I expect every member of this administration to stay well within the boundaries that define legal and ethical conduct.
RADDATZ: The President's conservative base was not happy either, Demanding a full pardon.
TONY SNOW: The point of this is that you do not engage in these acts for symbolic or political reasons.
RADDATZ: But that is going to be a hard accusation to shake. At the very least, Libby went to the front of the line. There are currently close to 2,000 commutation requests pending. More than 4,000 have already been denied. During his nearly seven years in office, President Bush has granted only four commutations including Libby.
MARGARET LOVE, Attorney: The thing that I hope most is that this will encourage him to grant some pardons and commutations to ordinary people.
RADDATZ: Margaret Love's client, former Kansas City Royals slugger Willie Mays Aikens, was sentenced to 20 years in prison in 1994 for selling two ounces of crack.
WILLIE MAYS AIKENS, Former Kansas City Royals first baseman (2003 video from ESPN): For the crime that I committed, I believe that I, you know, I've done enough time. It's time for me to go home.
RADDATZ: Aikens' request to have his sentence commuted was turned down by President Bush. He has another request pending. And there is, of course, the case of Martha Stewart. Like Libby, she was convicted of perjury and obstruction charges. She served five months in jail. But the White House insists that Scooter Libby has already suffered enough. Charlie.
—Brent Baker is Vice President for Research and Publications at the Media Research Center
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Bush remarked on Tuesday that
July 3, 2007 - 20:04 ET by Dave HighBush remarked on Tuesday that “as to the future, I'm, you know, rule nothing in and nothing out.”
In out, in out. A typical six-year-old has better linguistic skills than our president.
Regards, Dave High
"Too many OB/GYN's aren't able to practice their love with women all across the country." ~ George W. Bush ~ MakesYaProudDonIt?
Well, yeah, seeing as he gave
July 3, 2007 - 20:12 ET by drillanwrWell, yeah, seeing as he gave that sound bite right after visiting with wounded troops in the hospital ... Guess being awash in private emotion, and then coming out to ass hole questions by ass hole reporters in a feeding frenzy about an ass hole non-crime might have that effect on someone of this President's character. But maybe I'll put it in terms a liberal can understand, He means well. Actually, I find him more easily understood than Sen. Kennedy.
He means well? That's good
July 3, 2007 - 20:22 ET by Dave HighHe means well? That's good enough for you? Look at what he has done in Iraq and tell me that "well intentioned" has served our country well.
Regards, Dave High
"Too many OB/GYN's aren't able to practice their love with women all across the country." ~ George W. Bush ~ MakesYaProudDonIt?
Hey, means well is you libs m
July 3, 2007 - 20:38 ET by drillanwrHey, means well is you libs mantra, not mine.
As for your Iraq slap, I'm sure FDR and JFK and LBJ meant well in their wars too ...
Now, go eat some prunes.
Vietnam was a misbegotten war
July 3, 2007 - 20:49 ET by Dave HighVietnam was a misbegotten war. JFK made a huge mistake in starting it and LBJ made a huge mistake in ramping it up. LBJ had the decency to leave the office of the Presidency having realized what he had done. I will leave Nixon out of this as even mentioning his name pisses you guys off (and for good reason).
That was many, many years ago, yet the pain of that war still lingers. While George W. Bush was stuffing his AWOL nose with cocaine at that time, do you think that possibly he missed the message the rest of us learned?
Regards, Dave High
Hey, "Nixon" away.
July 3, 2007 - 21:01 ET by drillanwrHey, "Nixon" away. Don't piss me off in the least. The man tried to win the democrat mess in Vietnam ... before doing what you libs wanted ... Yet, you still don't give him credit. Instead, you have allowed a generation to believe it was "Nixon's War".
LBJ had the decency to leave the office of the Presidency having realized what he had done.
Ah! Yes, the liberal way. Cut and run. (All others be damned to the killing fields.) LBJ just didn't have the stomach for it, eh? NO democrat president could ever withstand the bullshit that Pres. Bush has had to put up with.
And before you even DARE suggest Bush doesn't care about the troops just wrap your lips around your bong and suck back hard. I personally know some who were wounded and met the man and still are in contact with him to this day. With legs missing, they only have the strongest and highest loyalty and admiration for him.
While George W. Bush was stuffing his AWOL nose with cocaine at that time, do you think that possibly he missed the message the rest of us learned?
Got proof of that, besides Rather's fake documents ("Fake but accurate")? What message would that be? No, please, explain, oh High One ... Exactly what message? Educate us. What message?
You mean the Richard Nixon wh
July 3, 2007 - 21:19 ET by PeskyDaneYou mean the Richard Nixon who's counsel was sought after by every president from Ford though Clinton? Ah, yes... that Nixon. Very good.
Dave, your recount of History
July 4, 2007 - 06:57 ET by winston smithDave, your recount of History is, shall we say, somewhat askew. LBJ did not "leave the office of the Presidency" he simply chose not to run for another term. While the Vietnam war was a factor in his decision, the main reason he chose not to run was because of the rift caused by nasty party infighting that was occuring among the Democrats in 1968 with Daley, Wallace, McCarthy (Eugene), and RFK all attempting a simultaneous power grab. LBJ wanted no part of it and bowed out quietly after his term was up. .
Dave High Says:
July 4, 2007 - 06:20 ET by DontFeedTheTrollsDave High Says: He means well? That's good enough for you?
Yeah Dave, he means well, and that's good enough for me.
I know you'd rather he pardoned 2000 hard core felons, like Clinton did, rather than commute 4 peoples sentences.
I know you'd rather he had rape rooms set up in the White House, like Clinton did, instead of sponsoring Easter egg hunts there.
I know you'd rather he sell nuclear missle technology to the ChiComs, like Clinton did, rather than giving $5000 grants to first time home buyers.
I know you'd rather he dismantle the military, like Clinton did, rather than strengthen it.
Dave High, you remind me of something stuck to the bottom of my shoe.
D
I don't support our liberals or their mission.
High, Dave!Tell us again one
July 3, 2007 - 20:12 ET by Del DolemonteHigh, Dave!
Tell us again one of the reasons why Jean-Claude Kerry never released all of his military records during the 2004 campaign. Reason: they showed that in fact his grades in college (and his SAT numbers) were slightly lower than Shrub's. It should also be noted that ABC News exit polling in the 2000 Presidential Election showed that over 80 percent of high school dropouts voted for Al Gore.
As for linguistic skills, I refer you to Lyndon Johnson, Jesse Jackson, Ted Kennedy (who called Barack Obama "Osama" on one occasion, and got a pass for it), and 80-something Democrat US Senator Robert Byrd from West Virginia, who used the "N" word in a TV interview a few years back, and got a pass for it from the "objective" media.
I will always associate "
July 3, 2007 - 20:29 ET by Dave HighI will always associate "Dolemonte" (was it really Dellmonte?) with canned pineapples. When I was a kid, canned pineapples had a funny flavor because the pineapples did something reactive to the inside of the can.
Sorry, Dave High
Dave High has metal poisoning!!!!!!!!!
July 3, 2007 - 21:00 ET by Dave RWhen I was a kid, canned pineapples had a funny flavor because the pineapples did something reactive to the inside of the can.
LMAO-So that is what happened to you. At least now we know.
-Sorry, Dave, I just couldn't resist.
Help Fred Thompson defeat the RINOs, along with the Hitllary/Obama axis, & win the White House in '08.
Guess I would be sorry too if
July 3, 2007 - 21:21 ET by PeskyDaneGuess I would be sorry too if I was Dave High. [sigh] Couldn't resist either.
Dave, Dave, Dave.... I woul
July 4, 2007 - 07:24 ET by JerryDave, Dave, Dave....
I would much rather have a president who makes "typical six-year old" quotes than one who makes quotes like these:
"I did not have sex with that woman, Ms. Lewinski..." (After having sex with that woman, Ms Lewinski).
"I smoked but didn't inhale..." (After being caught smoking dope).
"My lawyer has already made my statement.." (His answer to a question about the Juanita Brodderick rape)
"I didn't know about it till I read it in the papers.." (When asked about invoking Executive Privilige - never mind that only the PRESIDENT can invoke Executive Privilige).
"I will veto it every time it comes up.." (On the BAN on partial birth abortion).
"We need stronger campaign finance laws.." (His response to a question about why he broke campaign finance laws).
"I loathe the military.." (In his plea for a military deferrment).
"Depends upon what the meaning of IS is.." (Another attempt to spin a lie).
Yes Dave, be PROUD of your eloquent president... be very proud.
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment
vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any
President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
Clinton commutes 16 members o
July 3, 2007 - 20:20 ET by Gat New YorkClinton commutes 16 members of the FALN responsible for the bombing that killed four and injured over 60. Where was the outrage then?
In Hillary's senatorial campa
July 3, 2007 - 20:40 ET by drillanwrIn Hillary's senatorial campaign bank account.
Gat New York - None of the
July 4, 2007 - 15:34 ET by ding7777Gat New York - None of the 16 members were convicted of bombing. . Each of the 16 had already served 19 years in prison. Do you know anyone else who was sentenced to 55 years to 105 years for robbery?
And Al Capone was never convi
July 6, 2007 - 15:37 ET by Dan The Man 2And Al Capone was never convicted of the crimes he committed, but caught on not filing or paying his taxes.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark. -- save my gun, shoot a liberal.
Bush should say something to
July 3, 2007 - 21:30 ET by Conservative in the ArtsBush should say something to the effect that "Sandy Buglar walked out of the National Archive with extra padding in his underware and didn't have to serve jail time, so I don't see why Libby should go to jail for not saying he doesn't remember."
Conservative in the Arts - Sa
July 4, 2007 - 15:40 ET by ding7777Conservative in the Arts - Sandy Berger accepted responsibility for his actions. Bush's DOJ accepted a plea bargain of misdemeanor.that required no jail time.
Are you KIDDING me?!Sandy Ber
July 5, 2007 - 12:35 ET by BinxlyAre you KIDDING me?!
Sandy Berger is a criminal, a liar, also attempted to spin the fact that he stole materials as an 'honest mistake' even after the evidence shows otherwise. He never went to jail. Was never sentenced. And everyone on the liberal side of America's camp kept mum because, as a liberal, it's 'illegal' (oh how they'd love to make it that way) to *ever* disagree or, God forbid, *admit* that someone from their 'side' could ever commit a crime knowingly.
I don't usually get angry or talk down to people, but you need to come up with a better defense than that if you wanna claim this is any less bad (its actually exponentially worse) than the Libby fiasco, then you aren't just crazy, you're an idiot too.
Binxly - Berger pleaded guilt
July 5, 2007 - 23:05 ET by ding7777Binxly - Berger pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor. By pleading, he accepted responsibility. Why did the Bush Administration offer a plea if what Berger did was "worse" than leaking the name of a covert CIA agent to reporters?
Because liberals would never
July 6, 2007 - 13:55 ET by BinxlyBecause liberals would never let it go, its just like when a company gets sued for something, but the plea will cost less than actually defending the case. The current administration knows the people pushing this don't care about facts, they just want to nail Bush to the wall and everyone who falls even slightly out of the left allegiance. Both sides are guilty of circling the wagons but I've never seen such a strong hate for anyone not lock stock in step with the party line as I have with liberals in the media. They give typical, open-minded liberals that are out there.
We, as conservatives, don't n
July 3, 2007 - 21:41 ET by jdhawkWe, as conservatives, don't need to be reminded of the outrageous pardons that Clintoon authorized as he left office.
So, for those of you that are liberals that may have "forgotten" this misguided act of injustice, here is the link to the Department of Justice's list of those that were pardon and what they were pardoned for: http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pardonchartlst.htm .
That the drive-by media can express any outrage whatsoever over President Bush's commutation shows what true bias is.
It is my hope that the President will relook his commutation of Mr. Libby and pardon him. Time will tell . . .
Truth about the Scooter Valerie Plame Rode.
July 3, 2007 - 22:57 ET by Lame CherryEven Dave High who is on this site to cloud the issues can not mislead from the facts of these:
Richard
Armitage not charged, Colin Powell not charged, Joe Wilson not charged,
Valerie Plame not charged, but Scotter Libby who did represent Marc
Rich for his pardon is charged.
The Truth is Powell was a chosen
man to be advanced on the "right" by the Rockefeller selective service
advancement program. If you track back Richard Armitage is the same
plugged in person who leaked this story not in gossip, but sought out
Bob Novak whom he loathed. Wilson and Plame are also working for the
global narco banking cartel and have been rewarded with multimillion
dollar book media deals in the cover up of France refining uranium for
Saddam who was bribing half the world and the cartel was laundering all
of those billions.
I will repeat a story I broke a year ago as
everyone is being led around on a Dave High tangent in discussing Libby
as this is exactly what the cartel intends to keep the focus on the
Truth.
Plame was an operative of the globalists (Clintons) who
knew that if it got out Saddam was bribing everyone as in if America
invaded and got all those records most of the elites would be in prison
right now. Hence the deception of Joe Wilson to hide the uranium deals
which also hid Marc Rich as chief money launderer and why Clinton
pardoned him.
"Plamegate" as I have exposed was a staged coup to
keep the promise by the globalists to impeach President Bush. The scam
was elementary and based upon the same coup principle which brought
down Richard Nixon.
Patrick Fitzgerald knew for the entire time
it was Armitage who leaked it to Novak and Armitage's leak was designed
to "set off the investigation" which democrats for their global cartel
masters pushed to get Bush.
This is where the cute part happened.
White House Council Gonzales after Fitzgerald deposed the Rockefeller
operatives was ASKED if he wanted to be informed as to what had been
said. Gonzales said NO which was not what this coup plot expected,
because they expected at that point for the WHC Gonzales to do what
Nixon's staff did in keeping tabs on what was going on and telling
Nixon.
Understand this, the coup plotters expected Gonzales to
accept the meeting, take the information which they gave him and then
INFORM PRESIDENT BUSH. That would have given old Dan Rather and the
media the "What did the President know and when did he know it" garbage
of Watergate. That also would have exposed President Bush to tampering
with an investigation and a host of other Nixon charges which would
have gotten him impeached by now.
The cover up was the cartel
hiding the billions in bribes for nuclear materials, but the planned
event was for Gonzales to bring the investigation right into the White
House which did not happen. So Scooter Libby was hung out to dry,
because Fitzgerald needed something to hang on the wall to not look
like the Nifong he is.
One can bet on this that the reason
Alberto Gonzales is having his male parts nailed to the wall by the
Congressional puppets of the cartel right now is because Gonzales out
smarted the coup by not even getting debriefed. Alberto Gonzales
protected the President from the "frame" he was being set up for in
impeachment.
That is why the "impeachment" stories kept leaking,
because the dolts were told Bush would be impeached. The thing the
globalists never counted on is that Alberto Gonzales in not only not
curious, but is an honest man whose main purpose was protecting the
presidency from even a hint of misconduct.
That is what even
"conservative" media has been covering up, because a majority of our
favorites know all of this frame which was being laid and know very
well about the Saddam bribes but somehow forget to write about it as
their books and syndication is all run by the banking cartels too and
they are just as vassal as Powell although not as goofy as a Keith
Olberman.
This was all about hiding nuclear weapons and a
Nixonian coup against President Bush like in Watergate. The shills who
scatter the blog comments on tracks away from the facts on this site
and others are trying to hide all of this.
It isn't hidden
though as it keeps being posted, more people learn of it, research it
and start talking about it on the forever internet.
The Truth
always surfaces as it can not be suppressed. It doesn't matter if
George Bush is a dolt or a genius as the fact remains and wins out,
Plamegate was hiding nuclear material and inciting a coup on a sitting
president.
*HIC IACET ARTORIVS REX QVONDAM REXQVE FVTVRVS
Bravo LC!!!
July 4, 2007 - 09:53 ET by acumenBravo LC!!!
The truth all major media players involved with the case know quite well.......yet ignore. Much like the nuclear material most media know is the primary cause of climate change, yet ignore - the sun. And these same folks seek to once again dictate our national security?
Unfortunately human nature is to acknowledge the outer garment rather than what lies within; However, it would serve Americans well to peer a little deeper and ponder this self-serving duplicity you mention LC while on the way to the voting booth.
The more Bush pisses off the
July 4, 2007 - 03:00 ET by Prez RudyThe more Bush pisses off the Dem-Wits and MSM, the happier I am. Bush had to do this. Bush needed to do this. It's about time our President started to show some balls. He didn't commute Libby's sentence so that he could be corrupt, nor did he do it so that his poll numbers would slide up a notch, he did this simply because Scooter didn't deserve to be railroaded by a blood-seeking prosecutor, and a very obvious liberal jury. Who the hell cares what the Dem-Wits and the MSM think about this anyway?? Bush is not up for re-election and this is nowhere near an impeachable offense, so i call on all you socaialist dimocraps, and Olbernutjob type media morons to just face facts here, and GET OVER IT ALREADY!!!.........And this means you trolls out there , too!! Nuff said!!
and now i go back to my previous, drunken stupor......
Have one on me too
July 4, 2007 - 08:21 ET by TelemarkTumaloYep, you must be in a drunken stupor to read these events so incorrectly. As you seem to have revised history a bit in your haze, consider the fact that Libby was tried and convicted of a federal crime in which he contributed to endangering a CIA agent by exposing their identity. It is clear that his only reason for doing this was in an attempt to initimidate Ambassador Wilson into shutting up about his criticism of the Administrations arguments for going to war with Iraq. Think if the average individual in the street had done this.... they might find themselves quickly behind bars under the auspices of the Patriot Act. And, there would be no Presidential sentence commutation or pardon (soon to come for Libby, bet on it). No, this is no more than croneyism. President Bush is protecting his loyal lieutenant and continues to reward his sycophants in a level of blatant corruption not seen since Nixon embarrassed the U.S. with the Watergate fiasco. At least Bush did it openly.... with an approval rating of 25%, why should he care. Three out of four Americans gave up on this guy quite some time ago. Enjoy your boat ride, and have another drink.... it should deaden the pain!
Scooter Libby
July 4, 2007 - 09:18 ET by shawn228This might sound like a big time contradiction. I am happy that Scooter Libby was convicted, but at the same time I am glad he will not do any jail time.
The President and the Vice President are one of the secretive in history and it seems they have a lot to hide. This conviction actually had little to do with Scooter Libby, it had more to do with his bosses. I don't even think most of the jury wanted Libby to do any jail time and supported a full pardon from the President.
I am very curious , If Scooter had to spend even a minute in jail, would he have sung about WH secrets or would he have remaned loyal to Bush and Cheney like Mcdougal for Clinton.
Shawn,This conviction actuall
July 4, 2007 - 09:25 ET byShawn,
This conviction actually had little to do with Scooter Libby, it had more to do with his bosses.
So you think the prosecution was political?
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -Chief Justice John Roberts
So you think the prosec
July 4, 2007 - 09:31 ET by shawn228So you think the prosecution was political?
Absoloutely botg, this was poltical. It had more to do with Rove and Cheney rather than Bush himself. That is why even though it was obvious Scooter was not being honest, I am glad he does not have to serve any jail time and will get a full pardon in Bush's last hours.
I would tend to think that if
July 4, 2007 - 09:41 ET byI would tend to think that if an attorney prosecuted based on political reasons it would be abuse of power and that attorney would have to be investigated for that crime. Should Fitzpatrick be charged? Especially when he continued the investigation into who outed Plame after he knew that Armitage did and didn't charge Armitage.
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -Chief Justice John Roberts
I would not say there i
July 4, 2007 - 09:48 ET by shawn228I would not say there is anything political from Fitzgerald. He was just doing his job. It is political because IMO Scooter was trying to protect the VP and the jury knew it. The jury even admitted after the trial was over. They say" and I am paraphrasing" "wheres Rove? Wheres Cheney?.
The jury did not want to convict Scooter, I realize being questioned by an attorney under hot lights is very stressful, but come on botg, how can you talk about information to two different people and forget that you did not get the information for the person you claimed you got it from a few days later? The jury had no choice but to give a guilty verdict for perjury.
They say" and I am parap
July 4, 2007 - 10:02 ET byThey say" and I am paraphrasing" "wheres Rove? Wheres Cheney?.
Sounds like great fodder for a mis-trial or an appeal, for now he's guilty (and OJ's innocent) lets see what happens.
He was just doing his job
What was his job? I thought it was to investigate who leaked Plame which he found out before he questioned Scooter.
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -Chief Justice John Roberts
They said "wheres Rov
July 4, 2007 - 10:09 ET by shawn228They said "wheres Rove, Wheres Cheney" after hearing witness's and testimony, so that would not be grounds for a mis-trial. I did not go to lawschool, but i'm pretty sure you can't have a mis-trial after a trial is over.
Fitzgerald knew Libby was not being truthful and wanted people to know about it. Perjury is still a crime. I think Fitzgerald was hoping Scooter would crack and reveal the real reason why he was being less than honest. Obviously Scooter is a very loyal person.
I think there was a lot of pr
July 4, 2007 - 10:22 ET byI think there was a lot of pretense in the investigation but there's no need to go through it now. The fat lady hasn't begun practicing scales yet, nevermind sing.
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -Chief Justice John Roberts
As far as I am concerned,
July 4, 2007 - 10:31 ET by shawn228As far as I am concerned, the fat lady will sing her final note on 01/19/09. Bush is not fooling anybody. He will give Scooter a full pardon. It just remains to be seen how much political fallout there will be.
I can't seem to get anybody to answer this. I am not bashing the President, because I actually agree that at a time of war, we can spy on whomever we want, but doesn't it seem like the President is not being very honest in this video? Is somebody manipulating his words?
Please watch this video
I think it is very possible (
July 4, 2007 - 10:42 ET byI think it is very possible (perhaps likely) that a full pardon is in the works; in the mean time a sucessful appeal would make a pardon unnecessary.
(I agree with George he is not a lawyer, but don't have the time to follow the whole video)
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -Chief Justice John Roberts
You left out the best p
July 4, 2007 - 10:48 ET by shawn228You left out the best part botg, what about what he said about needing a warrant for roving wiretaps? I realize your a busy man, but when you have free time could you at least listen to at least the first two minutes. Come on botg , i rarely see you flame anybody and you usually do not deflect questions.
Shawn,I don't believe i flame
July 4, 2007 - 10:54 ET byShawn,
I don't believe i flamed you did i?
I did deflect this as there are others on this site much more up on topic than i. This happens a lot, there are a lot of topics i stay out of if i have no good viewpoint to bring to the table.
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -Chief Justice John Roberts
That is why I said you
July 4, 2007 - 10:56 ET by shawn228That is why I said you don't flame anybody. I am pointing out you are one of the more classy posters. You don't have to be an expert on this topic to watch the video and give an opinion on if Bush is being less than honest.
I don't think Monty would agr
July 4, 2007 - 11:00 ET byI don't think Monty would agree with you (he said dodgingly : ) )
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -Chief Justice John Roberts
What the hell you talki
July 4, 2007 - 11:07 ET by shawn228What the hell you talking about botch!!! You will not comment about Bush's Damn lies?!!!!!! Do you want to just feed his cocaine habit? lol. Maybe if I talk like Monty I will get your full thoughts:).
Okay since you made me laugh&
July 4, 2007 - 11:21 ET byOkay since you made me laugh
"We use FISA of course" paraphrase: 'there are times when speed is needed it's all legal' "I'm not a lawyer"
So what is the legal basis?, I don't know it's why i didn't want to comment, i am sure there are others on this site who are versed on the topic. I could look up talking points but that's not me.
Bottom line, if there was something here i am sure that Reid, Pelosi, Dean and the gang would have it on the front page.
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -Chief Justice John Roberts
Thx for your response b
July 4, 2007 - 11:26 ET by shawn228Thx for your response botch
ps
A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Shawn228
re: psfortunately a bipartesa
July 4, 2007 - 11:45 ET byre: ps
fortunately a bipartesan effort has twarted the recent attempt by some liberals to impose the 'Fairness Doctrine' and start down the road to their totalitarian dream state.
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -Chief Justice John Roberts
agreed botg, I have tri
July 4, 2007 - 11:50 ET by shawn228agreed botg, I have tried to ask Monty this, but he never responds to a direct question.
Wow, you call the previous po
July 5, 2007 - 12:55 ET by BinxlyWow, you call the previous poster out for being ill-informed yet you yourself speak the main talking points as if you were a liberal journalist's parrot. I swear for a second I thought I was reading a CNN transcript.
The place where your story is faulty is in Plame herself. She was *never* an agent in the field. She was an empty suit, a desk head on the inside, and at a relatively low level in regards to how 'hot a target' she would be. This also was laughable as even before this story hit big, Vanity Fair (don't even get me started on them or their head editor) ran a full page spread documenting the fiasco and interviewed plame and her husband. The photos were showing Plame in a vintage American automobile, in big dark sunglasses as well as a 'burka-esque' head wrap, to give the sense that she was some super undercover CIA Commando-spy. So not only does she cry foul over being 'outed' yet only weeks later *exploits* her supposed (and wrongly assumed) status as a CIA field agent for profit, but she also missed one BIG thing. She was NEVER in the field!
All this began when Plame's husband went to Iraq and returned claiming no find of a nuclear deal, nuclear materials, or any identifiable nuclear threat/activity within Iraq. Not only was THAT info wrong and doctored, but Plame's husband claimed Mr Cheney himself authorized and orchestrated his visit. Cheney had no clue about this trip, the purpose of it, he didn't even understand what Mr. Plame was talking about because the conversation and planning of the trip never happened!
What did happen, however, is that Valarie Plame was the one who suggested the trip under false pretenses, most likely to keep a lid on the previously mentioned 'shady dealings' and the billions of laundered money.
Make no mistake, their are no angels in this story, but blaming Libby without looking deeper into the *real* situation is like convicting a man of murder because he shot someone who had previously just been on a homicidal rampage. What I mean by that analogy is that while Libby may have not been the portrait of innocence, the accusers have much more 'blood' on their hands. They just know the MSM will be all the more happy to put some pretty gloves over those bloodied hands.
The news people sure loved to
July 4, 2007 - 07:09 ET by ThisnThatThe news people sure loved to draw comparisons, here, all day it seems -- but they failed to draw comparaisons to some key cases, especially to all of Clinton's pardons (like to Marc Rich). I wonder why? Couldn't be bias, could it? Naaaawwwwww.
Nicolas Altiere, Marlena Roll
July 4, 2007 - 09:27 ET by winston smithNicolas Altiere, Marlena Rollins, Chris Bagley, Scott Bane, Len Browder, Deloros Cox, Donna Chambers, Rickey Cunningham, Marco Fernandez, Jay Harmon, Debbie Huckleberry, Hildebrand Lopez, Charles Morgan, Vernon Obermeier, Miguela Ogalde, Rich Riley, Louise Ross, Gregory Sands, Betty Rutherford, Ignats Vamkouklis, Kevin Williams, Mitchell Woods
These are the names of all of the crack, cocaine, meth, pot, heroine dealers that Clinton pardoned in Jan. '01. Now, I just know Gibson and Raddatz got equally all worked up after noting this impressive list drug dealers sprung by Bubba 5 minutes before trashing the White House and then leaving with a chuckle. NOT!
Libby Pardon
July 4, 2007 - 18:23 ET by pbthinkerI don't know how many have read this but, considering the libs are in turmoil over this, it's pretty funny. It's from Alan Dershowitz and was on the Huffington Post:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alan-dershowitz/playing-politics-with-lib_b_54772.html
Never argue with an idiot. They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.