ABC Wonders: Is Libby ‘Above the Law?’; Glosses Over Clinton Pardon

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[Update at bottom of post] On Tuesday’s "Good Morning America," the ABC program featured two segments on President Bush’s commutation of Dick Cheney aide Lewis Libby. Substitute co-host David Muir opened the program by wondering, "This morning, above the law?" and GMA glossed over Bill Clinton's infamous pardon of Marc Rich. Instead, various anchors found time to twice highlight Senator Dick Durbin’s comment that "even Paris Hilton had to go to jail."

Although reporter David Kerley's segment did feature a quote from Republican strategist Rich Galen, both pieces seemed more interested in Democratic outrage. Kerley and Muir seemed taken with Senator Dick Durbin’s comparison to Paris Hilton:

Kerley: "But one of the most stinging statements came from Senator Dick Durbin, who said, quote, ‘Even Paris Hilton had to go to jail. No one in this administration should be above the law.’"

...

David Muir: "Not surprisingly, the Democrats are jumping on this. We heard from the Democratic candidates there. Senator Durbin saying even Paris Hilton went to jail. Some real red meat for the other party."

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Additionally, GMA minimized the fact that Democratic President Bill Clinton pardoned Marc Rich, the ex-husband of Denise Rich. (Mrs. Rich, of course, donated $400,000 to the Clinton library.) GMA guest, and former Clinton aide, George Stephanopoulos discussed this salient point only in passing at the conclusion of the second piece on Libby, who was convicted of perjury in relation to a probe of the Valerie Plame leak case. However, during the first piece, Kerley skipped over that fact when he played a clip of Senator Hillary Clinton decrying the Libby commutation:

Kerley: "Democratic presidential candidates also quickly attacked."

Senator Hillary Clinton (D-NY 2008 presidential candidate): "What we saw today was elevating cronyism over the rule of law."

Finally, towards the end of the second segment, "This Week" host George Stephanopoulos acknowledged the oddity of 2008 candidate Hillary Clinton slamming Bush's actions:

George Stephanopoulos: "But this could become an issue in the general election because it was such an unpopular decision with the general public, although candidates like Hillary Clinton are subject to a counterattack. Remember, President Clinton had a very controversial pardon of Marc Rich and, of course, President Clinton himself, during the Monica Lewinsky scandal, was impeached for lying to Congress."

UPDATE: To be fair to ABC, GMA did offer this snarky critique of Bill Clinton's pardons during the 8am news update:

David Wright: "The question is, can he drum up enthusiasm for his wife's campaign without overshadowing her? Clearly, Bill Clinton is not used to singing backup. As Hillary lashed out at President Bush for commuting Scooter Libby's sentence --"

Hillary Clinton: "--elevating cronyism over the rule of law." 

Wright: "--he looked a bit uncomfortable, perhaps mindful that back in the day he did the same for his cronies."

A transcript of the segments, which aired at 7:02am on July 3, follows:

David Muir: "This morning, above the law? The President decides convicted White House official Scooter Libby should not go directly to jail. He’s not going to jail at all. Was justice served?"

7:02am

Deborah Roberts: "But first, the huge controversy over the President's order that top White House aide Lewis ‘Scooter’ Libby will not go to prison. On Monday, the President commuted Libby’s 30-month prison sentence after a judge ruled that he'd have to serve time even during his appeal. Libby was found guilty, you may remember, of obstructing justice during the federal probe into who leaked the name of CIA agent Valerie Plame. This morning, critics of the President have come out in force. And ABC's David Kerley is in Washington with the latest. David?"

ABC Graphic: "Above The Law? Libby’s Sentence Commuted"

David Kerley: "Good morning, Deborah. This is not a pardon. Scooter Libby is still a convicted felon. But he won't be going to the big house. The ‘stay out of jail’ card means Scooter Libby won't spend two and a half years in prison, but he will pay a quarter million dollar fine. Democrats were shocked."

Senator Charles Schumer (D-New York): "This is just the latest example of a White House that holds itself accountable to nobody."

Kerley: "In a statement, Mr. Bush said, quote, ‘While I respect the jury’s verdict, the prison sentence is excessive.’ Mr. Bush said Libby, the Vice President’s former chief of staff, has ‘suffered immensely’ and ‘harsh punishment’ is still in place. But erasing the prison sentence isn't enough for some conservatives."

Rich Galen (Republican strategist): "Most people on the conservative side of the ledger would prefer a full pardon because that's the fair thing to do."

Kerley: "Libby's conviction came in the case of the outing of CIA operative Valerie Plame. Libby wasn’t convicted of leaking Plame’s name, but lying about his involvement. The special prosecutor of the case, Patrick Fitzgerald, expressed dismay, saying the judge had sentenced Libby consistent with the law. Democratic presidential candidates also quickly attacked."

Senator Hillary Clinton (D-NY 2008 presidential candidate): "What we saw today was elevating cronyism over the rule of law."

Kerley: "Barack Obama called it putting ideology above the law. Joe Biden asked Americans to flood the White House with phone calls today, ‘expressing their outrage.’ But one of the most stinging statements came from Senator Dick Durbin, who said, quote, ‘Even Paris Hilton had to go to jail. No one in this administration should be above the law.’ Many Republicans praised the move by the President. Rudy Giuliani calling it a good decision, one he believes in. Fred Thompson says it allows a good American to resume his life. The President reportedly made this decision very quickly yesterday after a federal appeals court ruled against Mr. Libby. And according to some of the staff members at the White House, he did not consult the Justice Department before making his decision. David?"

David Muir: "All right. Thanks very much. David Kerley in Washington. And joining us now is our chief Washington correspondent George Stephanopoulos, of course, host of ‘This Week.’ Morning, George."

George Stephanopoulos: "Good morning, David."

David Muir: "You know, the polling on this has been consistent. Two out of three Americans say they did not support this. So why exactly did the President do this?"

Stephanopoulos: "Well, the President was getting pressure to do this, though, from those who support him, his last remaining supporters, those conservatives in his party, even in his own White House. Vice President Cheney, who believed that the prosecution of Scooter Libby was unjust, who believed he should not go to prison. And the President could not afford to alienate those last supporters. So he made this decision, made it relatively quickly."

Muir: "Were his poll numbers so low that he felt safe in doing this or does he risk going even lower?"

Stephanopoulos: "Had he– I think he believes that, had he given, had he not given this pardon, this commutation of the sentence to Scooter Libby, he would have lost that last base of support he has in his own party. You can't afford to do that with 18 months left."

Muir: "Not surprisingly, the Democrats are jumping on this. We heard from the Democratic candidates there. Senator Durbin saying even Paris Hilton went to jail. Some real red meat for the other party."

Stephanopoulos: "Absolutely. And this is going to cause some discomfort for the Republican candidates for president, even though you saw Rudy Giuliani, Fred Thompson, Mitt Romney, all support this decision and they're going to need to do that in the primaries. But this could become an issue in the general election because it was such an unpopular decision with the general public, although candidates like Hillary Clinton are subject to a counterattack. Remember, President Clinton had a very controversial pardon of Marc Rich and, of course, President Clinton himself, during the Monica Lewinsky scandal, was impeached for lying to Congress."

Muir: "You mentioned Rudy Giuliani there. You know, some have argued that the punishment did not fit the crime. In fact, some said there was no crime at all, but this was similar to what put Martha Stewart in prison."

Stephanopoulos: "Absolutely. Perjury, obstruction of justice. And the prosecutor in this case, Patrick Fitzgerald said that's what our system of justice relies on. When people are called before the court, when people are under oath, they have to tell the truth, they have to obstruct justice [sic] and there are thousands of people across the country in jail for just this crime right now."

Muir: "While we have you this morning, we wanted to look at the presidential race for a moment. The new McCain numbers out in the last 24 hours and they are not good. Hard to believe that $11 million in a quarter is considered not good this time around, but for him it's meant slashing jobs, salaries on his campaign. What's the future here for McCain?"

Stephanopoulos: "He is– He is on life support right now, but his team vows to fight back, vows that he’s going to stay in the race. He's only got $2 million cash on hand. Essentially, the campaign that John McCain planned is over right now. He planned a front-runner campaign based on $100 million budget. He's not going to have anything close to that. He’s going back to his roots, back in the 2000 campaign. He’s going to run a gorilla campaign in those early states, Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina. He's had a terrible two months, hurt not only by the fund-raising, but by the issues of Iraq and immigration. But they hope he can regroup. And as I said, his campaign vows that he’s going to stay in all the way."

Muir: "All right, George Stephanopoulos this morning. George, as always, thanks very much."

—Scott Whitlock is a news analyst for the Media Research Center.


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I just threw up in my mouth u

I just threw up in my mouth upon reading this.

I mean, they do have a point: Paris Hilton is an appointed official to the White House. 

How sad, sad, sad these people are becoming...but on the flip-side, anyone else think that the Republicans are looking better and better each day? 

If Paris Hilton had been one

If Paris Hilton had been one of Bill Clinton's peccadillos, and she went to jail for contempt of court rather than testify against Slick Willie, Clinton would pardon her, just like he did Susan McDougal.

Honestly Bush is an idiot.

Honestly Bush is an idiot. Actually I wish he really was an idiot becuase that would be an excuse. The big problem that continues to plague Bush is that he is an absolutely terrible communicator with no leadership skills. He continues to drag the Republican party through the mud with him. Stand up and fight!

Honestly jiminjersey is an id

Honestly jiminjersey is an idiot.  Actually I wish he really was an idiot because that would be an excuse.  The big problem that continues to plague jiminjersey is that he is an absolutely terrible communicator with no factual content.  He continues to drag the tinfoil hat party through the mud with him.  Stand up and drink (coolaid)!  ) :

Actually vrwc i think that wh

Actually vrwc i think that what jimini was trying to convey was that Bush along with the majority of the GOP do not put up a loud fight, or stand by thier convictions. They have gotten gunshy.

 "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "

                   - Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.

Just don't like anyone disres

Just don't like anyone disrespecting the President.  If we really had an objective msm I think we would all see him in a different light.  The msm made clinton look good, starting back in his first primary on 60 Minutes.  What do the facts say about the clinton administration versus the GW Bush administration.  We have been so overwhelmed by a day-to-day blitz by the msm that even his own is turning on him.

Men stumble over the truth from time to time, but most pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing happened. -Winston Churchill.

Hey we all know the MSM is bi

Hey we all know the MSM is biased, thats why the majority of us are here. Is it fair  that the media portrays Bush as a monkey, and Clinton like he sits on Mt. Olympus, of course not. But that's what we all expect from the MSM. Truth to tell I believe Bush has transformed himself into a Rino Republican, along with several other members of Congress, and infuriated the conservative base. Just because the MSM is critically biased against him, and the GOP no matter what they do, does not mean the conservative base has to come to thier defense no matter what they do. I dont' subscribe to that.

I agree with pardoning Libby. He was a victim of a partisan witchhunt.

 "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "

                   - Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.

Are you people kidding me? Th

Are you people kidding me? The MSM treated Clinton well?! What about the years of breathless reporting on Whitewater and Monica and the endless parrotting of smears leaked by Ken Starr?

Clinton faced down all of that and was still popular because he was a good president. Americans knew there was no "there" there in spite of the Beltway blowhards who were all to eager to repeat some right-wing talking points.

The press was Bush's buddy from the moment he announced his candidacy. How long did we have to listen to the "Al Gore is a phony robot, Bush is a good guy" meme? Only recently has the MSM grown a pair and started honest reporting on Bush because at some point the corruption and incompetence of his "administration" become too obvious to ignore.

Reality has a well known liberal bias.

You've been eating loco weed again, howler

You've been eating loco weed again, howler.

loco weed and GW

yea, and it's getting more potient because of Global Warming and CO2 - just like Posion Ivy. Hee hee.

"Clinton... was a good p

"Clinton... was a good president"  I guess it depends on what the definition of "was" was. 

Please tell me why you think he was a good president.  (This ought to be good.)

Men stumble over the truth from time to time, but most pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing happened. -Winston Churchill.

Crime down. Productivity up.

Crime down. Productivity up. Personal wealth for ALL Americans up. Gasoline didn't cost $3.20 a gallon. A time of peace and prosperity.

Remember what those days were like, or were you one of the ones too obsessed with Clinton's Johnson to take notice?

Reality has a well known liberal bias.

Crime was down, of course as

Crime was down, of course as long as you discount what was going on in the White House under Clinton .

 Productivity was up at the chicken fryers, potato slicers, and lettuce shredders.

For me personally I work in the construction industry, and It is way better for me now, than it was then.

 "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "

                   - Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.

Crazy

You crazy, crazy conservatives. Bush is a mass murderer and you idolize him. Yeah, I think you qualify as clinically nuts.

Cindy..........we know it's y

Cindy..........we know it's you.

 "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "

                   - Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.

Not Cindy

My name isn't Cindy. I'm actually a man and have balls...unlike you conservative freaks.

Cindy's a man too. "You

Cindy's a man too.

 "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "

                   - Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.

One more thing there Lucy. Be

One more thing there Lucy. Being an Internet tough guy, and spousing vitriol without facts, or knowledge is a cliche' of the left, and doesn't mean you have balls either. Have something of substance to say, or just be an uninformed ignorant leftist carricature, of a dumb uninformed leftist carricature........your choice.

 "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "

                   - Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.

Internet tough guy?

Hey Blazer, I try not to waste substance on fools. Christ says not to cast pearls before swine. I don't believe in Christ, but that's a good line. You conservatives are worse than swine and I don't feel I have an obligation to give you something that you are unwilling or unable to comprehend.

bx...He believes in you, knit

bx...He believes in you, knitted you in your mothers womb.  He said that too.

Crazy

Crazy, crazy incoherent conservatives.

Lazy, lazy substance-lacking

Lazy, lazy substance-lacking liberal.

"every knee shall bow"  He said that too!

Then why waste your time here

Then why waste your time here, rather than with the rest of the moonbat mouthfoamers over at DKOS, or HUFFPO? You will just make yourself look like a retard among intellectuals.

 "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "

                   - Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.

Intellectual?

I find it amusing that you consider yourselves "intellectuals." Talk about delusional. Crazy, crazy conservatives.

But yet the only thing you a

But yet the only thing you add to debate is vitriol, paranoia, and cliche'.

 "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "

                   - Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.

Vitriol?

Blazer, I look at the bottom of your posts and I wonder how you define vitriol, paranoia, and cliche. Do you think that "wretched hive of scum and villainy" qualifies? Oh, I forgot who I was dealing with. You crazy people would make me laugh if you weren't so destructive. Also, think about the fact that insane people don't typically realize that they're crazy. Food for thought.

Umm.....that's called satire

Umm.....that's called satire bx, but then again we all know Liberals were born without a sense of humor. There must be some reason you frequent this site, if not for intelligent debate, then maybe you like the abuse. I myself do not frequent leftist blogs. 

By the way look at the bottom of my post one more time, it doesn't say what you think it does. your just hallucinating from all that Kool-Aid.

"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "

                   - Ben Kenobi on bx10475, Liberals, and the MSM.

Sorry Blazer

I apologize. You were being satiriacl. That's rich. You just keep believing that black is white, up is down, War is Peace; Freedom is Slavery; Ignorance is Strength. You are living in an alternate universe.

 And on the flipside bx. You

 And on the flipside bx. You guys just keep on believing the only color is black, down is the only way to go, Peace is capitulation, Freedom is censorship,  and Strength is Ignorance, and you Libs will go from flushing the country down the toilet to spawning back to the sewer from whence you came.

"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "

                   - Ben Kenobi on bx10475, Liberals, and the MSM.

Wow

Blazer, how very clever you are. Would you say that your comments here are vitriolic or satirical? I was just wondering. Crazy crazy conservatives.

Nope not in the least do you

Nope not in the least do you see any name calling there? Just passionate colorfull debate, sprinkled with fact.

 "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "

                   - Ben Kenobi on bx10475, Liberals, and the MSM.

Blazer, Blazer, Blazer

Ignorance, insanity, and incompetence is a bad combination. I wish that those running our country were not so very similar to you. Crazy, crazy conservatives.

Ignorance, insanity, and inco

Ignorance, insanity, and incompetance you got that right! All traits of our Democrat majority Congress that runs our country.

 "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "

                   - Ben Kenobi on bx10475, Liberals, and the MSM.

good response bx...name calli

good response bx...name calling, followed by false acusation, followed by name calling.  Debates over, you win.  Or at least you win per your hero quoted below stating what appears to be your philosophy.


Yeah, logic, reason, facts play less of a role now in the way we make decisions in America. – Al Gore

 

So Bush is a "mass murde

So Bush is a "mass murderer" for attempting to rid the world of the Islamo-fascist barbarians who want to kill us all, and that includes you, before they have the chance to actually do it.

Sound like a plan to me.

Personally, I hope a hell of a lot more get it before he leaves office.

Only a terrorist sympathizer such as yourself would get all teary-eyed over these barbarians being sent to meet Allah by our wonderful men and women in  our most excellent military.

Help Fred Thompson defeat the RINOs, along with the Hitllary/Obama axis, & win the White House in '08.

Barbarians?

So, Dave, I'm assuming that the thousands of innocent civilians that Bush sent to meet Allah are included under your definition of "Islamo-fascist barbarian." Oh yeah I'm teary-eyed right now. It's because we have an administration running the world that's as intellectually bankrupt and foolish and crazy as people like David R and his cohorts here on this bizzaro website.

civilians

It is amazing..what about all the civilians that your terrorist buddies are killing. If we were not there, how amny more civilians would be dying?

You act as though the US military is intentionally killing civilians. Do you hate the US and our brave soldiers that much?

Freedom isn't Free...you should be thanking the military every chance you get because they are the ones that preserve your rights. If you hate the US so much, please, defect to Cuba, Venezuela, Iran...enjoy your new found freedom.

If conservatives are RIGHT, then liberals must be WRONG.
Thompson/Rice

Are you serious?

LionKing, (can I call you LionKing?) are you one of those people who still believe that Sadaam was involved with 9/11 and that Al Queda was in cahoots with Sadaam? You are aren't you? If you'll take your head out of the sand long enough to learn some facts, maybe you'll see things as they are and not as Bush has conditioned you to see them. I wish you luck.

please...illuminate me

Here is what I believe:

  • Al Qaeda was responsible for 9-11
  • Al Qaeda trained in Afghanistan
  • Al Qaeda trained in Iraq
  • Saddam was a barbarian
  • Saddam's sons were barbarian-rapists

Notice, I never said Saddam was directly involved with 9-11. Saddam, was evil and he supported terrorists. Get your head out of the sand...Saddam had WMDs (beloved Clinton said so in 1998). Saddam had used WMDs...ask any surviving Kurds; Iranians will verify this also.

Please...what facts do you have to illuminate me?

If conservatives are RIGHT, then liberals must be WRONG.
Thompson/Rice

}}----> bx10475 in a fecal position

What I remember about the invasion of Iraq was that Iraq had agreed to the terms of a ceasefire and broke the terms.  I remember Bill Clinton's speech of Dec 19, 1998 in which he defended a massive cruise missile strike to thwart Saddam's weapons of mass destruction program.

Could we please look at the facts rather than picking through history for only those arguments that bolster how we feel?

You know, bx10475, you snivelling crybaby, we made a decision as a Nation to invade Iraq.  Maybe the decision was ill advised, and maybe not.  Maybe upon seeing it wouldn't be an overnight TV Dinner war, you decided along with the rest of your coward buddies the job was too big for you. 

So you want to cut and run and you want to do it now.  You're just another ostrich sticking his head in Harry Reid's trousers.

Lysdexics untie!

Some facts for our misinforme

Some facts for our misinformed friend here...

1. Bill Clinton's Justice Department, in its 1998 indictment of bin Laden, specifically mentioned in said indictment that Itaq and al Qaeda WERE "in cahoots". You can read the entire text of the indictment here, at the anti-Bush Federation of American Scientists website:

http://www.fas.org/irp/news/1998/11/98110602_nlt.html

excerpt:

#4: "4. In addition, al Qaeda reached an understanding with the government of
Iraq that al Qaeda would not work against that government and that on
particular projects, specifically including weapons development, al
Qaeda would work cooperatively with the Government of Iraq."

2. If you can find us one statement, ANY statement, that Bush or anyone else in his Administration claimed that Iraq had a role in 9/11, please post it for us.

However, it may interest you to know that a Federal Judge in New York City-a Judge appointed by Bill Clinton, no less-ruled in a 2003 lawsuit brought by family members of 9/11 victims that in fact Iraq did play a role in the 9/11 attacks.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2003-05-07-911-judge-awards_x.htm

Now I know that just because a Federal Judge rules something, that doesn't make it "true". But it IS a fact that Judge Baer made this ruling.

Now, what "facts" do you have for us to prove that Clinton, his Justice Department, and a Judge he appointed were all lying? This should be good!

}}----> bx10475 runs away

Another Troll breaks wind and is gone.  Sometimes I wish I could watch them fuming at the keyboard, trying to think of some quick comeback, and realizing once again they are too stupid to run with the big dogs.

Lysdexics untie!

My family's dog of choice for

My family's dog of choice for the past 20 years? Border Collies. They're pretty smart.

More pre-2000 claims...from ABC News, no friend of Bush these days-of Iraq-al Qaeda ties can be found here-with video, no less

http://www.reasons-for-war-with-iraq.info/abcnews_1-14-99.html

FYI, I forgot to include an additional link that will have the leftist lawyers who stop by here spinning all night: namely, the complete 79-page pdf of the lawsuit brief filed by 9/11 victim family members that named Iraq as one of the co-defendants. The list of plaintiffs takes up over 20 pages alone! I would suggest that after skipping the first 21 pages, our friends look at pages 22 on. Page 29 mentions Iraq. The Clinton-appointed Federal Judge later ruled that the plaintiffs made a case that a jury couldn't ignore:

http://fl1.findlaw.com/news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/terrorism/ashtonalq90302cmp.pdf

bx,You know, I never heard a

bx,

You know, I never heard a peep from you lefties when Saddam was torturing, raping and murdering those exact same Iraqi civilians that you guys are suddenly crying in your beer over.

Then again, I don't recall you leftists getting all that upset about the 100 million-plus (and still counting) people murdered by Stalin, Mao, and Ho Chi Minh, either. In fact, you guys had absolutely nothing to say about those poor SE Asians, nearly three-million in number, that were slaughtered right after we pulled out of Vietnam. As of late, your crowd has had nearly nothing to say about North Koreans who are literally dropping dead in the streets of Pyonyang from starvation (and yes, I have seen the video that was smuggled out of that hell-hole of a country a few years back).

Is your crowd's silence because you America-haters weren't able to blame any of those deaths on this country?

I am guessing that it was, as well as for the affinity most on your side have for those named above, along with their favorite form of government.

You are all such transparent hypocrites.

Help Fred Thompson defeat the RINOs, along with the Hitllary/Obama axis, & win the White House in '08.

The reason that the leftists

The reason that the leftists didn't have their knickers in a wad over Saddam's torture, rape and murder of his own people was simple-CNN told them it wasn't happening, and that's all they were all watching at the time, along with PBS. They certainly weren't watching the Cartoon Network.

As CNN's own head people later admitted, the "most trusted name in news" gave said dictator a free pass so it could keep its Baghdad bureau open. They "claim" it was to "protect" their local Iraqi employees, but that doesn't hold water, especially given CNN's subsequent scandals such as CEO Eason Jordan having to resign in disgrace after falsely accusing US troops of murdering journalists in Iraq.

They knew what was going on. They simply chose NOT to report it. Which is just as dangerous journalistically as "reporting" the news with a political slant.

waka waka...you did not answe

waka waka...you did not answer my question.   What you answered may or may not be true.  What does that have to do with whether or not Clinton was a "good president"?  What did he do?  Specifically.

Men stumble over the truth from time to time, but most pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing happened. -Winston Churchill.

Well for one thing, he drasti

Well for one thing, he drastically expanded community policing, which had a deep impact on crime rates. Even Giuliani benefited from COPS programs when he saw, like mayors in cities across the country, crime rates in NYC fall.

Unfortunately Bush has gutted funding for these programs and crime rates have been on the rise ever since.

If Bush were less ideology and more competence, he might have gone down in history as an OK president. Instead he will be booed by angry Americans whereever he goes for the rest of his life, that is when he actually leaves the ranch or the family compound in Kennebunkport. He makes Nixon look good.

Reality has a well known liberal bias.

waka waka...just warming up h

waka waka...just warming up here.  OK just how did he "drastically expand(ed) community policing".  And this is the only thing he did to be a "good preisdent"?  He was there for eight years.  The rest of your post was just Bushwacking.  Nice try though, but not much substance yet.

Men stumble over the truth from time to time, but most pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing happened. -Winston Churchill.

Clinton announces new communi

Clinton announces new community policing grants

COPS cuts pulls police off streets

Clinton also presided over the longest economic expansion in U.S. history, left behind a budget surplus (that Bush quickly elminated), reduced welfare rolls, stopped genocides in Bosnia and Kosovo...His accomplishments weren't sexy, like posing on aircraft carriers and getting us mired a crazy war, but you sure do miss them when they're gone.

Reality has a well known liberal bias.

Clinton expansion

I assume by economic expanision you mean all the corporations that were cooking the books under the watchful eye of his administration. If you bother to check your facts you will also find that the NASDAQ crash occurred while Clinton was president and that we were in the throes of a recession.

The economy went into a major tailspin after 9-11, but thankfully, Bush was savvy enough to introduce well-timed tax cuts to right the wrong. Bush has been cleaning-up Clinton's messes.

  • Clinton left the economy in a shambles
  • He left us miserably insecure
  • Corporations had to be accountable for accurate reporting

Clinton did successfully disgrace the office of the POTUS...nothing to be proud of, but he did that far better than Bush ever could have.

If conservatives are RIGHT, then liberals must be WRONG.
Thompson/Rice

Thanks LK...I knew once he st

Thanks LK...I knew once he stepped of the curb of non-answers the truth would come and run him over.  Kind of like tag team wrestling, eh?

v

Yeah, logic, reason, facts play less of a role now in the way we make decisions in America. – Al Gore

Some facts for our poor unifo

Some facts for our poor uniformed friend wiki wiki here:

1. As I recall, Clinton's COPS program had some problems before he left office. Since 100,000 "new cops" were supposed to be added, a huge number at the time, by necessity they had to lower their standards. As a result, corruption among the "new cops" was much higher than in the past, as the lowered standards made this inevitable.

In any case, they never reached the magic "100,000" number.

2. Clinton may have "presided over" a good economy, but said recovery in fact began in March of 1991, or 18 months before he was elected. The media ignored it at the time, of course. If they had honestly reported the recovery, Clinton most likely would have never been elected in the first place. "It's the economy, stupid!"

3. I notice you failed to mention that Clinton in fact VETOED welfare reform twice before finally caving. Why did you leave out such an important fact?

4. Clinton's stopping of genocides in Bosnia and Kosovo were due to his starting his own "war of choice", in which he failed to get UN approval. He then hired crazy General Wes Clark to run said war, and Wes almost got us into World War 3. 

When Clinton started a war without UN approval, it was OK. When Bush did it in Iraq, it was "bad". Can I have some of what you've been smoking?

And while we're talking genocides, you conveniently ignore the fact that Clinton did absolutely nothing about the genocide in Rwanda that took place on his watch. Spin that one!

By the way, the "Bosnian genocide" is still a matter of dispute. Serbia was cleard by the ICJ of direct involvement of such a "genocide" early this year.

4. According to the US Navy, Clinton in fact posed FIVE TIMES on 4 DIFFERENT US aircraft carriers while "President". That's 5 times as many aircraft carrier photo ops as his successor, who unlike Clinton actually served in the military.

                               Carrier Carl Vinson (1993; 1995)
                               Carrier George Washington (1994)
                               Carrier Independence (1996)
                               Carrier Harry S. Truman (1998)
                              

In addition, Clinton also posed on an AEGIS guided missile cruiser, when it visited Vietnam, in 2000.

http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq49-1.htm

Good info, but wakawaka will

Good info, but wakawaka will probably not reply as your use of facts my confuse him.  He appears to subscribe to al gore's motto below:

Yeah, logic, reason, facts play less of a role now in the way we make decisions in America. – Al Gore

Emotion

Emotion

Waka,I was a Deputy Sheriff f

Waka,

I was a Deputy Sheriff for 22 years, and I worked out of HQ at that time.......we didn't get squat from that program.  It was all talk and ZERO action.  Any money alocated by the feds had to be matched by local government, and most local governments at the time were unable to do it.  Oh by the way, I was not in some backwater podunk town, but Los Angeles County. 

a time of peace

"A time of peace and prosperity."

It was peaceful except for Kosovo and Somalia. Also, not peaceful for the 1993 WTC bombing, the African US Embassies, and the USS Cole.

As for prosperity, the over-blown stock market came crashing down at the end of his tenure. Much of stock market success was a lie perpetuate by corporations cooking the books...you liberals forget this happened under Clinton, Bush just had to clean it up.

I love to hear you wingnuts c

I love to hear you wingnuts crying about the evils of big corporations.

Reality has a well known liberal bias.

Um...Just for the record, b

Um...Just for the record, big government has been the (bipartisan) problem, whether or not an obviously-antilibertarian biased media wants to notice! (Yep, reality has that same libertarian bias!)
JMR

wacky...

Hey WACKY...that's not what I said. Corporations are not evil...people cooking the books...they are criminals.

Hey wiki wiki, tell us why it

Hey wiki wiki, tell us why it was OK for a Democrat from Texas (who later became President and killed 55,000 Americans in a war of choice) to get a pass for climbing into bed with the same big corporation that Dick Cheney was involved with to a much lesser extent some 60 years later?

(sound of geckos)

Oz

The Kennedy era was called Camelot.  Maybe clinton's era will be remembered as "Oz".  Clinton as the wizard, all smoke and mirrors.  And who was that young thing behind the curtain with him? 

And what better portrayal of liberals than the Scarecrow, Tin-man, and Lion.  No brain (thought the wiz was "good"), no heart (pro-choice), and no courage (Iraq war).

Yeah, logic, reason, facts play less of a role now in the way we make decisions in America. – Al Gore

It's either telling or ironic

It's either telling or ironic, considering the link I just posted above, that you'd reference the yellow brick road... ;) Great minds??
JMR

 Minds great.  Simple and p

 Minds great.  Simple and plain.  ) :

Yes, waka..

Yes, waka.. all sorts of personal economic goody stuff was up, until the big "irrationally exhuberant" bubble collapsed in early 2000. Then all of the wealth vanished - along with all of the millions of new jobs, health insurance, and budget surpluses. The following is from Dean Baker, a progressive economist - star of the left wing anti-Bush media.

"What are you going to tell people who lose much of their retirement savings in their 401K when there's a downturn?" Today, Baker said: "The decline in the stock market was an entirely predictable event for anyone familiar with basic arithmetic, even if the exact timing could not be known in advance. The nation's political leaders [during Clinton's term] chose to ignore the stock market bubble and instead focused their attention on distant and relatively minor problems...  As a result, millions of families have seen their dreams of a secure retirement or their children's college education vanish with the stock market bubble. The level of negligence of the nation's political leaders in ignoring the stock bubble exceeds anything since the days of Herbert Hoover."  

The question on the table remains - how did Bush do in leading us out of the disaster that Clinton dropped in his lap?

Rush is not part of the MSM

Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity are not part of the MSM.

You crazy conservatives

When you conservative lunatics are rolling around in your own excrement do you ever sit back in your filth and think "I can't believe how crazy I am?" This country is being flushed down the toilet and you people are unclogging all of the crap to make it easier. Well, I know you're beyond any reasoning, but I just thought I'd point out the fact that everyone else can see your insanity.

 This country has been going

 This country has been going in the toilet for a long time bx, but it's you Marxist traitor Liberals that are holding the toilet handle down.

"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "

                   - Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.

Got anything specific to say, bx?

"unclogging all of the crap"

Got anything specific to say, bx, before you swirl right around the bowl and down the drain?    

Ha ha ha ha. They could care

Ha ha ha ha. They could care less what us 70 percenters see, although sometimes I wonder if they ever get frustrated down there in the trough. It's got to be infuriating to be laughed at by the rest of the world all of the time.

"If only people could know 'the truth,' then they wouldn't be calling me crazy! Aaaaargh! Why doesn't everyone hate Bill Clinton as much as I do!?! Aaaaaargghh! Moonbats! Islamofascists! Nancy Pelosi! Aaaargh!!!"

Reality has a well known liberal bias.

My three year old grandson--

My three year old grandson--pointed proudly to his accomplishment in the bathroom before he flushed. He said "look grandpa, I did waka waka!".

"If only people could kn

"If only people could know 'the truth,' then they wouldn't be calling me crazy! Aaaaargh! Why doesn't everyone hate Bill Clinton as much as I do!?! Aaaaaargghh! Moonbats! Islamofascists! Nancy Pelosi! Aaaargh!!!"

The fact that you include Islamofascists in your little "joke" speaks volumes.  Won't be quite so funny when you're blown sky high by those harmless pranksters though, will it?

I see you love using percenta

I see you love using percentage points (70%ers) to describe the communist  base wako wako. Then how do you explain that the Democrat majority Congress has an approval rating of less than 20%?  Tell us how exactly this helps the DNC?

For the sake of ad nauseum,and posterity, "culture of corruption", "the most ethical Congress in history", LMAO!

Still waiting for your answer wako.

 "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "

                   - Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.

I have honestly never seen on

I have honestly never seen one poll result touted so often. Where is it, anyway? I can't find it.

Let's look at this more recent poll.

Approval ratings of Democrats: A measly 51%, close to the all time LOW  of 46% achieved in Feb. 2005.

Approval ratings of Republicans: A whopping 36%. That's the lowest the GOP has scored since Dec. 1998 when it was at the height of its hysteria over Clinton's Johnson, when it dropped to 31%.

Is Democratic control of Congress a good or bad thing for the country? Uh oh, they're in BIIIIG trouble. Only 57% of Americans think it's good for the Dems to be in charge.

Well, what about the infamous Pelosi and Reid? What's their approval rating? 42%.

For whom would Americans vote for if an election were held today? Democrats 53%, Republicans 41%.

Seems to me the only way for Congress' overall approval rating to go up is to kick out the GOP! Hahahahaha! Suckers!

Reality has a well known liberal bias.

Here ya go, howler...

Here ya go, howler..."Just 14% of Americans have a great deal or quite a lot of confidence in Congress."

http://blogs.usatoday.com/gallup/2007/06/what_do_hmos_an.html