So, the prolitariat's voice needs to be silenced, Comrade Reid, because they are thinking for themselves, and not towing the party line?

They are beginning to open a can of worms, the likes of which they will regret for a long long time to come if they try to silence speech in this country ...

Illegal aliens (I refuse to call it immigration), global warming, high gas prices, now high milk prices, war in Iraq, hurrricanes, etc.

What do they all have in commom?

They all have their roots in one of only three causes:

• President George Bush
• Karl Rove (and his weather machine)
• Conservative Talk Radio

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Men stumble over the truth from time to time, but most pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing happened. -Winston Churchill.

It is certain talk radio helped put the word out but what got me were the masses of illegals breaking the laws of my country, marching in my city, burning my flag and telling my gov't what our immigration policies should be. We didn't "march" but WE are in charge of our gov't, not illegals or foriegn gov'ts.

Turn around is fair play, lets import 13 million Chinese invade Mexico, lets see what happens.

Harry Reid may blame talk radio, but I think talk radio is happ to take the credit. The vast majority of Americans, including IMO, legal immigrants, did not want this bill passed. That's it. I thank talk radio and sites like this for bringing this bill to our attention.

Btw, I doubt that Harry Reid is all that worked up about this. After all, the msm is all abuzz about how this was a President Bush failure.

Reid is doing a real bag up job as majority leader. His approval ratings are hovering around zero. He IS the majority party leader and about 15 of his own party voted against this while about 10 of the opposing party voted for it. Instead of blaming talk radio, maybe he should look at the legislation.

If talk radio led opposition to the immigration bill, then the traditional media has led opposition to the Iraq War, most shamefully with the non-stop pimping of the Abu Ghraib incident.  Where is Trent Lott on this issue?  Must "something be done" about the media-center-leftists.

Even when a majority of Americans supported the Iraq intervention, the public demonstrations were dominated by the anti-war crowd.  Since those demonstration take place on "public" roads and in "public" parks, shouldn't they be subject to "equal-time" legislation as well?  Should they be forced to have pro-Iraq War people speak at their events?

This is just as ridiculous as forcing radio stations to air certain views, but if the Democrats insist on trying to re-impose the "Fairness Doctrine", Republicans need to demand that the legislation include "Fairness" for those areas that the Left dominates, especially academia.  But Republicans should pledge to veto any final bill that contains government-imposed fairness on either side, since it is unconstitutional.

GOP leaders in Congress should send a letter to college presidents asking them how they would implement an "Academic Fairness Doctrine".  This would enrage them, as Democratic threats have enraged talk radio hosts and their fans.  It would show that they are just as unwilling to tolerate such a regime.

He should read AND understand his oath of office, as well as the trust the voters have given him - he is a representative, of the people, NOT a commissar with dictitorial powers, and as such, he SHOULD hear from both sides of the argument, including those who happen to be disrespectful of the office, and if there is a threat, then hand it over to the proper security authorities. (of course, the best of his abilities isn't all that large)

There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V

Can't take the blame yourself there SanctuHarry?  Can't take defeat ?  You need to get over it.  Enforce the law and Build The Fence

Noel, a few points on the "divide" and "hate" on Immigration. (your post here is right on).

Synopsis: It is Harry Reid (symbolic of), who has changed. It is the MSM that created the divide in this country on he issue of immigration reform. The right wing effort here, so wonderfully carried by the likes of liberal worker's party chairman, Lou Dobbs, is not a right wing effort at all - merely, it is the view of the people; that view which was not shared by the MSM.

In the background. Reid is the poster child of the MSM in the promotion of the theme that they created in the past many months; that being that the divide was in the Republican party (hundreds of stories).  No divide in the Democrat party, I suspect? Oh, but there was, and there is. And, in fact, the media othewise, would have never openly supported the Democrats in this bill. The media did not like the bill. Now they are celebtrating it's defeat - but mostly for the immediate self gratification of hurting President Bush, and in hurting the R's chances next year. It's Win - Win - Win for the MSM.

Blame the "conservative" view of the immigration reform bill on the radicals in talk radio? No, no, no. The conservative hateful view being expressed in the right is the same view that not only did the majority of Americans hold strongly in their heart as this debate began last year, it was also the same view that Sen. Harry Reid held in his heart back in 1993.

Dem Senate Leader Harry Reid: 'Our Federal Wallet Stretched To Limit By Illegal Aliens Getting Welfare' August 5, 1993

The Office of Sen. Harry Reid issued the following:

In response to increased terrorism and abuse of social programs by aliens, Sen. Harry Reid (D-Nev.) today introduced the first and only comprehensive immigration reform bill in Congress.

Currently, an alien living illegally in the United States often pays no taxes but receives unemployment, welfare, free medical care and other federal benefits. Recent terrorist acts, including the World Trade Center bombing, have underscored the need to keep violent criminals out of the country.

Reid's bill, the Immigration Stabilization Act of 1993, overhauls the nation's immigration laws and calls for a massive scale-down of immigrants [not illegal's folks - legals!!]  allowed into the country from approximately 800,000 to 300,000.

Senate minority leader Harry Reid (D)Nevada August 15th 1993 [with more "fear and 'hate' mongering"]

"Our borders have overflowed with illegal immigrants placing tremendous burdens on our criminal justice system, schools and social programs," The Immigration and Naturalization Service needs the ability to step up enforcement.

"Our federal wallet is stretched to the limit by illegal aliens getting welfare, food stamps, medical care and other benefits often without paying any taxes.

"Safeguards like welfare and free medical care is in place to boost Americans in need of short-term assistance. These programs were not meant to entice freeloaders and scam artists from around the world. "Even worse, Americans have seen heinous crimes committed by individuals who are here illegally,"

Let's acknowledge that Reid's 1993 bill, even today, represents the general generic view of numerous leaders on the Democrat side of the isle (and of course on the R. side, as well), even in recent years, including Clinton's reform effort chaired by the late Rep. Barbara Jordan (D) of Houston, TX. Let's identify her: 'The Congressional Black Caucus (CBC) recently awarded its prestigious Barbara Jordan Award for Women's Achievement to U.S. Congresswoman ...' These folks wanted serious immigration reform - Shhh - don't let the press remember that!  Tancredo actually fit nicely in their camp, but he's a hateful racist, and their voice was -- i g n o r e d, by the media.

So Reid and the media will blame the push by talk radio as the reason that the "immigration bill" did not pass. Hundreds of stories have been run in recent months focusing on the divide in the Republican party on this issue. The real divide was between what the MSM wanted (Amnesty for all, and open borders - the message the marchers carried) and what the voters wanted.

The MSM is ecstatic about the failure of the bill. The bill as defeated would be considered a left of center bill by any impartial bystander. Bill Clinton supported it. The MSM never wanted the public to know of this support. The majority of the Democrats ended up supporting it (but I believe, only because they thought it would hurt the Republicans, and Bush); but while roughly 3/4's of the Democrats in congress supported the bill, polls showed that only a handful of folks supported Bush on it. Those numbers were the highest on the Democrat side of the polls.

Just how do we let the MSM pull this off? They did it on the Medicare Rx bill. They did it on WMD's in Iraq. They did it on SS Reform. In the beginning of each debate, the MSM spends months pushing the far left view on the American people, bringing doubt to the gullible. The conviction of the voters is challenged - the poll numbers move to the left. Then the media targets the Repubicans as divided.

Polls showed:

The voters supported partial privatization of SS reform. The voters did not support Bush on the reform.

The seniors liked the Rx benefit in the Medicare Reform bill. Polls showed that the voters did not support Bush's effort.

The voters trust the Democrats much more on the Immigration Reform Bill. Voters did not agree with Bush on it. It's the same bill that the Senate Democratic leadership has been standing up and trying to push through in a bi-partisan effort with President Bush.

The MSM has succeeded in nothing short of magic here. The MSM does not support the bill - they want something to the left of, or nothing. They represent the few who ignorantly say, “Punish the folks who hire the illegal’s.” AND  “There is no one here who will do the work.”  One cannot have it both ways – but the media has successfully sold it, as just that.

 The majority of Democrats in Washington side with Bush on the bill - which is left of what the voters want. Voters support and trust the D's on it more than Bush and the R's. The majority view is cast by the media as hateful right wing spew. The MSM only recognizes (and pushes in the news) that it is the right-wingers who oppose the bill, that the MSM, itself, cannot support.

Everyone here talking hidden Communist take over should, if you haven't already, check out "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen "To Do List" of the Commie take over of our country.

I posted the whole list on a thread yesterday re: the WaPo's indoctrinating kids about illegals in this country.  Since the list takes up too much space I'll just aim you to the link.  There are only 9 posts there so it'll be easy enough to find:

http://newsbusters.org/node/13813#comment

Harry Reid, like many of the Leftist Liberals that have taken over the Democratic Party is delusional and living in his own "La-la" land. He might be as Mormon as Rommey but methinks he did do "wacky weed" therefore his mind is still scrambled.

I'm in the "People's Socialist" State of Maryland or "Maria-Terra" as all the new residents might start calling it. There was quite the uproar from the LEGAL welfare collecting residents thinking that the "imports" are trying to get what is theirs by right of the Statehouse and the Mayors of Baltimore, I mean the Governors of Maryland.

Even so, our Shortest Senator and biggest wind bag both voted IN FAVOR of the measure. I guess they didn't see the rallies in Prince Georges or Montgomery. Then again, MVA is getting a "SWEET" under the table deal from "Casa" and "La Rasa" to ensure that before posted opening times the MVA lots are cleared of illegals that GOT Maryland Drivers' Licenses.

I just wonder if it was cereal boxtops, or did someone get brave and ride along and really give a driving test. Can't prove it from the way they drive.

I once thought California was bad, at least in California they DID take a road test.