Not coming to a media outlet near you: Kevin Trenberth, an advisor to the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), made some startling admissions regarding the IPCC's use of computer General Circulation Modules (GCMs) (h/t Moonbattery). Professor Bob Carter, a geologist writing for Australia's News.com, has the scoop:
In a remarkable contribution to Nature magazine's Climate Feedback blog, Trenberth concedes GCMs cannot predict future climate and claims the IPCC is not in the business of climate prediction. This might be news to some people.
Among other things, Trenberth asserts ". . . there are no (climate) predictions by IPCC at all. And there never have been". Instead, there are only "what if" projections of future climate that correspond to certain emissions scenarios.
You do remember that the IPCC has been leading the charge with Al Gore on the whole "scientific consensus" on man-made global warming.
Carter also relates that in a paper to be presented at the 27th International Symposium on Forecasting in New York this week, Scott Armstrong and Kesten Green find other discrepancies within the relevant chapter in the IPCC's latest report. They conclude:
"because the forecasting processes . . . overlook scientific evidence on forecasting, the IPCC forecasts of climate change are not scientific".
Carter sums it up:
These various criticisms of climate modelling can be summed up in the following statement – there is no predictive value in the current generation of computer GCMs and therefore the alarmist IPCC statements about human-caused global warming are unjustified. Yet Australia has an Opposition and a Government that profess to set their climate policies on the basis of IPCC advice. Both also seem determined to impose an inefficient, ineffective and costly carbon trading or taxation system on the economy, for the aspirational absurdity of "stopping climate change".
Will our media ask Al Gore about this latest speedbump on the road to a more harmonious climate? Since the Live 8 concerts are coming up (with NBC Universal devoting a total of 75 hours gratis to their coverage), the opportunity is ripe for the picking.
But I have a feeling this is an opportunity that will be left to wither on the vine.
















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Is the GlobAL Warming money drying up?
June 28, 2007 - 16:47 ET by Lame CherryHave you noticed online the factual data coming out is like and avanlanche compared to the sand spit of GlobAL Gore on this earth warming nonsense?
After billions spent on pushing this on everyone from our kids in school to the average spud head, the majority has it figured correctly it is just a natural cycle.
With all of the honest assessments now coming out even at the UN and the UN being exposed for skewing data, the prostitutes for profits like Galen McKinley out of the University of Wisconsin are becoming the shrill minority being exposed as money grabbers and cranks.
This begs the question, "Is the global warming funding drying up as it is not working for the globalists as way to rape economies in high fuel prices for their bank accounts and are they now putting their propaganda bucks elsewhere for a "new science" to scam the public?"
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Watch the anti-globalist talk
June 28, 2007 - 16:59 ET by dscottWatch the anti-globalist talk, just because some hucksters are trying to profit from this fraud doesn't mean free trade Capitalism around the world is bad. Trade is good, Capitalism is good, International Corporations are good, importing unskilled people is bad and one world government is bad. The only alternative to World Socialism or Communism is Global Capitalism.
“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius
Kevin Trenberth, an advisor t
June 28, 2007 - 16:53 ET by dscottKevin Trenberth, an advisor to the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC)
DUDE!!! Now you tell us?????? What is this another Sheryl Crow one square tp I was kidding joke??? WE ARE NOT LAUGHING.
“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius
Not to worry, these scienti
June 28, 2007 - 17:00 ET by ckc1227Not to worry, these scientists aren't stupid. They have surely factored Kevin Trenberth's opinions into their various calculations. Besides, he works for Exxon and the oil industry.
Just thought I'd save the moonbats a little time.
What's even stranger is when
June 28, 2007 - 16:54 ET by GalvanicWhat's even stranger is when the data isn't skewed, but the authorities spin it anyway, and few people take notice.
The EU has failed to meet its Kyoto goals, and in fact, its GHG production is increasing at a rate three times faster than the US's (We didn't sign Kyoto, remember). To put it another way, the EU trend isn't a decreasing curve toward Kyoto numbers; it's an increasing curve away from Kyoto.
Yet, the EU Green gurus insist that they are on track to meet the Kyoto goals. American greens take those lies, and assert that if the EU can do Kyoto, we can too.
No one wants to do the math anymore, I guess.
Maybe He has seen the Light
June 28, 2007 - 17:21 ET by acadia1755Maybe He has seen the Light and want to save his skin!
http://sciencepolicy...
The Liberals have become what they hate.
It's all so clear now...
June 28, 2007 - 18:02 ET by c5thenBecause they never use the word "prediction" they are not engaged in prediction. They only use "what if" projections that are based on certain senarios.
Wow! I'm glad they cleared that up. I was beginning to think that the UN didn't know what was going on and were not in total control of it.
The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic
Sounds like a round about way
June 28, 2007 - 18:22 ET by RESTLESS 1Sounds like a round about way of saying what we already knew, the IPCC is full of sh*t. Funny, as the abundance of science debunking agw keeps coming out, they must now backtrack. Also, this definitely means that the debate is over, and we won, as far as I am concerned. This has been all about certain parties getting richer by reaching into our wallets. This is the scam of all scams and too many sheep out there are willing to be led by the nose. With each passing day, more and more reports, more scientists, and more evidence comes out showing agw to be a complete farce, yet so many people still buy into this bs. Somehow, someway, this crap has to be stopped. It will cost us a fortune if it isn't.
Btw, as polls show in Britain
June 28, 2007 - 18:33 ET by RESTLESS 1Btw, as polls show in Britain, most people don't believe that climate is anything other than normal, caused by natural occurences. The problem is that the powers that be aren't listening (surprising huh?). IMO, this should stir the same passion that the immigration reform debate has. We cannot let this get too far as once the cows have left the barn, it will be that much harder to get them back in. Witness the growth of our government since it's inception. So many small programs, coupled with bad court decisions, and all of a sudden, you look around and big government is everywhere. Think how little it would cost if the Fed just concetrated on the few things it was entrusted with and left the rest to the states and people. As I have said before, it is easier to change laws at the state level than it is at the federal level.
Long ago the environmentalist
June 28, 2007 - 20:20 ET by danboLong ago the environmentalist learned they weren't going to win the science debate. They've lost just about every debate where real scientist were involved. They decided to sidestep it by declaring the science settled and over. And moved to selling it. Much as soap. (I've seen it in some of the literture of their ad consultants, they even compared it to selling soap.)
There are cracks in AGW. But the battle isn't over. They feel they have a superior intellect and have a right and duty to tell us how to live.
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.” H.L. Mencken
Trenberth: "Who me? Wh
June 28, 2007 - 18:33 ET by Ten7sTrenberth: "Who me? Who the UN IPCC? We weren't perpetrating 'THE GREAT HOAX'. That's not what we said. Everyone misunderstood us."
Like rats fleeing a sinking ship.
I am the new weather Guru. Se
June 28, 2007 - 18:41 ET by Clear thinkerI am the new weather Guru. See my 100% accurate prediction below.
"For the foreseeable future we will have large amounts of weather worldwide".
Which of course is man-made!
The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.
Tonight's weather - - -
June 28, 2007 - 18:47 ET by botgTonight's weather - - - - - - - - - - - - DARK (George Carlin)
bot......lol...I forgot about
June 28, 2007 - 18:58 ET by bigtimerbot...
...lol...
I forgot about that line.
I remember when he was the Hippy-Dippy Weatherman with skits on Carson....I loved him doing that.
Ya mean back in the days when
June 29, 2007 - 12:12 ET by GalvanicYa mean back in the days when he was actually funny --- before he turned into a self-righteous, bitter old man.
weather not
June 28, 2007 - 20:08 ET by the mad poleChili today, hot tamale
Whoa. I for one am impresse
June 28, 2007 - 22:07 ET by dahliatraversWhoa. I for one am impressed ...
Waiting on steve2007 to answe
June 28, 2007 - 18:50 ET by bassndudeWaiting on steve2007 to answer this one. (Long Pause Here) He must be busy developing a new energy source.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
So are people who say that IP
June 28, 2007 - 20:09 ET by danboSo are people who say that IPCC claims the oceans will rise so high. And tempertures will rise so much. As Crow, Bill Nye or the Union of Concerned Scientist. Well are they lying? Are are you lying when you say the IPCC doesn't make predictions? Either way. Someone is lying.
Or are you using Bill Clintons school of language. Where "I did not have sex with that woman", does not mean oral sex. Or it depends on your definition of the word "IS".
So if you admit there's a bunch of lying going on. So much for all the projections. And the scaring. And the 95% certain. And the "consensus", and all the other BS.
Thank you for this gem.
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.” H.L. Mencken
Ditto all this.... let's see.
June 28, 2007 - 22:06 ET by dahliatraversDitto all this.
... let's see. Nope, it's not April 1. This is an amazing admission by the IPCC.
one square of toilet paper
June 28, 2007 - 22:41 ET by Pragmatic-ManI just wish someone would tell me once and for all how many squares of toilet paper I am supposed to be using.
All the toilet paper you need
June 28, 2007 - 22:44 ET by Cool ArrowUnless you still have a left hand.
poo hand
June 28, 2007 - 22:47 ET by Pragmatic-ManThe poo hand?
Poo Puno
June 28, 2007 - 22:49 ET by Cool ArrowI think puno is Spanish for fist. Although poo fist sounds a little too John Edwards.
It's all Reagan's Fault!
June 28, 2007 - 22:55 ET by Free Stinkerhow many squares of toilet paper I am supposed to be using
None. Toilet paper is evil. Toilet paper makes you weak. Toilet Paper is just a consipiracy by the man.
/Sarcasm Off
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the man has stinky fingers
June 28, 2007 - 23:02 ET by Pragmatic-ManThen the man has stinky fingers.
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Steve M is on to them and m
June 29, 2007 - 04:01 ET by acadia1755Steve M is on to them and maybe the IPCC is doing some Damage control before the (Shiite) hit the fan.
Once again, here’s what they were deleting and what they felt was“inappropriate”
to show the public - the post-1960 decline in the Briffa index. (I’ve
shown the IPCC TAR version here but the same deletion is made in AR4).
By deleting the adverse segments, they enhance the rhetorical
impression of the remaining series. Any mining promoter that did this
would be in trouble with the securities commissions.
http://www.climateau...
Acadia. If I read this right.
June 29, 2007 - 08:31 ET by danboAcadia. If I read this right. What they deleted/rejected was the proxy graph of Biffa post 1960. The proxy data which was used prior to 1960 then continued with surface temperture to produce the so called hocky stick.
If I read this right they delete the continuation of the proxy data graph post 1960. Which shows a decreasing temperture.
If this is correct is this sloppy science. Or is it fraud?
The graphs so you can see them better.
Here and here.
Thanks Acadia for a great catch. And thanks to Steve McIntyre for his work.
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.” H.L. Mencken