'Today' Fans Its Company's Own Coulter-Edwards Flames; Coulter a 'Flamethrower'

Photo of Geoffrey Dickens.

Still stoking the flames of the fire it started on its cable outlet, MSNBC, NBC kept pushing the Ann Coulter vs Elizabeth Edwards fight, this time on this morning’s Today show. Substitute host David Gregory invited on Elizabeth Edwards to continue to bash Coulter on her "hate language." And while the on screen headline asked, "Out of Control? The Politics of Ann Coulter," 'Today', once again, never bothered to mention the Edwards campaign's own "out of control" bloggers.

To his credit Gregory did ask about Edwards using Coulter as a fundraising tool and noted the hypocrisy of John Edward's $400 haircut and his large speaking fees for a poverty group. However Today refused to identify either Edwards as a liberal but repeatedly labeled Coulter as "conservative," and even tagged her as a "flamethrower."

The following are the, loaded teases for the Edwards interview, followed by a full transcript of the Edwards segment as it occurred on the June 28 Today show:

David Gregory: "Also this morning, we're gonna be talking about politics. Elizabeth Edwards is gonna be here after her on air confrontation with conservative commentator Ann Coulter. This whole episode, I think, is a reminder to a lot of people about why they don't like politics. We'll talk about the fallout from all of this coming up."

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Gregory: "Also this morning, cable clash. Presidential candidate John Edwards' wife, Elizabeth, calling into MSNBC's Hardball, you remember, earlier in the week, to take on conservative flamethrower Ann Coulter. But are both sides in this fight profiting from this exchange and is this an example of what a lot of people don't like about politics. Coming up we're gonna have a live interview with Elizabeth Edwards and we'll talk about it."

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Meredith Vieira: "And up next she said/she said. The dustup on national TV between Ann Coulter and Elizabeth Edwards. Is politics getting too nasty? A live interview with Elizabeth Edwards, right after this."

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David Gregory: "It was a battle royale played out on national television. Elizabeth Edwards, wife of presidential candidate, John Edwards, taking on conservative columnist Ann Coulter, live on MSNBC. Well today, the two sides are still fighting. But, in fact, are both sides profiting politically and financially? Caught on cable, a lively debate about cutthroat politics."

[Begin clip]

Ann Coulter: "Don't talk to me about, about how to use language."

Chris Matthews: "Elizabeth."

Elizabeth Edwards: "...that language of hate and I'm, I, I'm gonna ask you again to politely stop using persona attacks as part of your dialogue."

Coulter: "Okay I'll stop writing books...I think we heard all we need to hear. The wife of a presidential candidate is asking me to stop speaking, no."

Matthews: "No she said you should stop being so negative to people, individually."

[End clip]

[On screen headline: "Out of Control? The Politics of Ann Coulter"]

Gregory: "Ann Coulter, the conservative firebrand, has sharply attacked John Edwards for years."

Coulter: "If I'm gonna say anything about John Edwards in the future I'll just wish he had been killed in a terrorist assassination plot."

Gregory: "That, she pointed out, was something talk show host Bill Maher said about the Vice President, without receiving any criticism."

Bill Maher: "No, I'm just saying, that if he did die, other people, more people would live. That's a fact."

Elizabeth Edwards: "Hello, Chris."

Gregory: "But on Tuesday, Elizabeth Edwards called into MSNBC's Hardball to say enough is enough. For the Edwards campaign it was a calculated step to speak out against, what it calls, hate speech. And it seized on the exchange, immediately, for a fundraising pitch on its Web site."

Byron York, National Review: "As they say in the business world, there was a revenue component for both sides about this. If, anybody, on the outside, of the political world were to look at it, I think they might just look at it and say, 'you know a pox on both your houses.'"

Gregory: "Senator Edwards insisted presidential candidates have a duty to respond to attacks but he admitted conservatives are not the only offenders."

John Edwards: "I agree it's an issue from the extremes, yeah. And I, but I think in this case, in this case, the language that has been used by this particular person and people like her is extraordinarily damaging."

Gregory: "Coulter's defenders, however, say she represents the voice of conservatives responding to the mainstream media."

Pat Buchanan, conservative commentator: "They feel we're, you know, we're now giving it back, what's been given to us. And Ann Coulter is one of those, at the top of her game, who is very good, very cutting, very witty and very funny."

[On screen headline: "Coulter Clash, Elizabeth Edwards One-On-One"]

Gregory: "Elizabeth Edwards is in Chapel Hill, North Carolina this morning. Mrs. Edwards, good morning, thanks for being here."

Elizabeth Edwards: "Good morning, David."

Gregory: "I have to ask you, when you decided to call in to Chris Matthews' Hardball show on MSNBC were you trying to provoke a confrontation or do, in your own mind, did you think, 'I'm really gonna change Ann Coulter's mind and her tune?'"

Edwards: "Well I actually didn't think I was gonna change Ann Coulter's mind but I did think that our silence against her, you know, for a number of years, hasn't changed what she's said. When there was outrage, actually some newspapers withdrew, withdrew her column from their, from their papers, because, because readers wrote in and said they were tired of that kind of dialogue. And yet she continues. So I hope that I was provoking people across the country to speak out when they hear this kind of hate language. You know, David, it made a difference in the South, when racist language used to be the way everyone spoke. But when decent people spoke out and said, they don't want to hear that any more, it changed. And now racist language is not a part of civil dialogue in the South. We can accomplish the same thing, but only if, if people across the country speak out. And I hope I was giving them a permission slip to do that."

Gregory: "You, you, you said rather pointedly, that you think Ann Coulter is guilty of hate speech against your husband and, and others as well. If you strip away some of the inflammatory rhetoric against your husband and, and other Democrats, the point she's trying to make about your husband, Senator Edwards, running for the White House, is in effect, that he's disingenuous, especially on the signature issue of poverty, whether it's a $400 haircut or taking big, big money to speak in front of a poverty group. If you, again, strip away the inflammatory rhetoric, is that a real point of vulnerability that you have to deal with in this campaign?"

Edwards: "David, that is not, that is absolutely nothing to do with what she was saying, whatsoever. I have a response for that and if you, people, John has a lifetime of dedication to poverty issues and if you don't trust him on that, because he once got a haircut that was too expensive, don't vote for him and don't support him. But if you believe that lifetime, as opposed to, the price of a single haircut, then, then, then do support him but the truth of the matter is, is this is not just stripping away inflammatory language. The things she said, not just about John but about other candidates, about people as, who are as courageous as Kristin Breitweiser, one of the 9/11 widows, who helped force the 9/11 commission. She said that, she and the other Jersey Girls delighted too much in their husband's death. This is not, this is not legitimate political speech. This is speech of hatred and meanness meant to, to distract us from the issues, such as, the validity and importance of something like the 9/11 commission's recommendations."

Gregory: "Do you think it's an issue of not just, with Ann Coulter, but with some of the commentators on the left as well?"

Edwards: "On both sides and not just Ann Coulter on the right but a large number on the right. Michael Savage is another example of someone who uses awful, inflammatory language that degrades the political process and, and the same is true on the left. We, we, we, I, I, I wrote a letter in 2003, in response to a column Ann Coulter wrote about a number of, of sad events in families' lives. So she, I have to say, has been particularly on my mind for a number of years."

Gregory: "You, you, you, as I pointed out in, in the piece, you immediately seized on this confrontation, as you've been doing for some time. I say, you, I mean the campaign, to use Ann Coulter in this confrontation, to pitch your base for money, for campaign funds. We're just a couple days away from the end of the second quarter fundraising totals. Why shouldn't be that viewed as a rather calculated effort on, on the part, on your part and the campaign, generally, to provoke, to engage Ann Coulter for political gain, for financial gain, for the campaign?"

Edwards: "Well I suppose if I had booked Ann Coulter on, on ABC or on, on Hardball on MSNBC at the end of the political, at the end of the fundraising quarter, that complaint might be legitimate. I had no idea, when she was gonna roll out her book or when she was gonna get back on the air again. You know it's been sometime since she's been on. Also name-calling about John but, so it was, just, it just happened to be at the end of the quarter. And we're asking people to make a choice about what kind of politics they want. John's pol-, John's political campaign has been based on real ideas and substance that ought to be the subject of the political dialogue. And I know that the letter I wrote made exactly that point. That we have a choice here. And if people choose to support John's campaign or frankly another campaign that's something we want them to do. Get engaged, to speak out."

Gregory: "Can I just ask you quickly, I want to switch gears. Your prominence in the campaign is pointed up by this and I know a lot of people are, are wondering how you're doing, how your health is."

Edwards: "Actually I'm doing well and I appreciate your asking, David. It's a, one of the reasons I'm out there speaking, is so that people can see, that it's possible to live with cancer, to live vital, full lives with cancer and to maybe support the people that they know who are undergoing the same kind of struggle that we are."

Gregory: "Has your outlook changed at all and your level of involvement in the campaign?"

Edwards: "You know I, I think, probably, I may be a little more driven but I also have to be a little more careful because I have to keep myself healthy."

Gregory: "Alright, Elizabeth Edwards, thanks very much for coming on this morning."

Edwards: "It's great to be with you David."

—Geoffrey Dickens is the senior news analyst at the Media Research Center.


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Great Compliment Gilligan Gregory

No higher compliment than having Gilligan Gregory calling you a Conservative Flamethrower.

I guess that means Meredith Vieira is a steel jawed trap, Lizzy Edwards is the money raiser maul and Gilligan is Goodslip Liarpop.

If this is all the news is a fake cat fight, mud up old Gilligan and the trap and let em grily fight it out on the next episode of Mud Fight at the NBC Corral.

*HIC IACET ARTORIVS REX QVONDAM REXQVE FVTVRVS

If I were a video producer,

If I were a video producer, and I'm not, I'd go after the victim Edwards. YouTube him. Tie in the fact that John refuses to debate on Fox and that his wife did battle with Ann Coulter, and then ask the question: Will Elizabeth Edwards be as effective dealing with dictators and despots? Or something like that.

adams apple coulter is a prim

adams apple coulter is a prime example of how repubs love to give it out but when we criticize Bush, we are Bush bashing. Hippo-repubs!

A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons

Yet Cowardly Lyons you allow

Yet Cowardly Lyons you allow people like Bill Mahar Rosie O'Donald say what they want.  Then when someone speaks out agaist them you yell it is their right to freedom of speech.

Practice what you preach. 

Build The Fence

Did rush did you repubs to wh

Did rush did you repubs to whine as well as you do? He did a good job teaching his son, Beck, to whine...

this site always amuses me when I need some cheering up!

wah!

A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons

Did rush did you repubs to wh

Did rush did you repubs to whine as well as you do?

Could you translate that sentence into English for us?

You have to better than that

You have to better than that Lyons.  Rush and Beck give us our opinions?  Summer School must have gotten out early today.

You come here and through bombs and have no substance to your debate.  You name call and belittle, then bash Ann Coulter for doing the same thing? 

You add nothing to the debate.

Tell you what.  Go get your snack from mommy, take a nap, and see if the little grumpies go away.  Then come back and watch the adults talk.

Build The Fence

A non-sequitur. Try again.

A non-sequitur. Try again.

adams apple coulter Do you al

adams apple coulter

Do you also consider Sandra Bullock and Meg Ryan transsexuals, too?

Defend Ann's behavior all you

Defend Ann's behavior all you want, but I wouldn't try to defend her Mannish appearance.  It's impossible.

She's a man.  Why do you think all her engagements have been broken?  Her fiances found out the truth about her gender.

Just look at her hands.  They're huge. 

This is ALL woman, bucko! M

This is ALL woman, bucko! Maybe not as feminine as you, but damn close!

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

Defend Ann's behavior all you

Defend Ann's behavior all you want, but I wouldn't try to defend her Mannish appearance.  It's impossible.

I don't consider her as attractive as some others do here, but "Mannish"?!

Again, if she's a man because of her Adam's apple, then Meg Ryan and Sandra Bullock are, too (and nobody is going to buy that).

The List.

Remember Imus? was it not Moveon (SOROS)who claimed to have a LIST of Conservatives to be destroyed? Ann C. is on that list.

The Liberals have become what they hate.

FEC Compliance

As it is obvious that MSNBC and the Edwards' campaign actively coordinated in the Hardball segment to help the Edwards' campaign in fund raising by using the show to send out a new fund raising letter, has anyone considered filing an FEC complaint for the in kind contributrion of MSNBC/NBC/GE using the guidance of the FEC's Mayberry advisory opinion?

It's the same ol attack pla

It's the same ol attack plan. The lib media is piling on Coulter in the same way Gonzales was piled on by the dems, and Libby, and Cheney, and Iraq. The libs are relentless but their outrages are complete fabrications of twisted truths and half-truths. Live and learn young grasshoppers.

NBC: Firefighter for the Demo

NBC: Firefighter/Arsonist for the Democratic Party.

The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.

- Arabian Proverb

OH! THIS IS SOOO GOOD!!!  A

OH! THIS IS SOOO GOOD!!!  A must listen!!! Kudoes to Laura Ingrahm!

Veteran Takes on Chris Matthews in Coulter Debate     http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=2259       A veteran who attended the Ann Coulter taping of "Hardball" confronts Chris Matthews off-camera.

She is a flame-thrower. She

She is a flame-thrower. She's a controversial figure who makes incendiary statements in order to attract more attention and sell books.

Why wouldn't you call her a

Why wouldn't you call her a "speaker of truth"? Are you biased or sumfin?

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

Flamethrower is so much mor

Flamethrower is so much more fun!

And it works.  Until the Dem

And it works. 

Until the Dems finally figure out how to ignore her (which will never happen), she is going to keep poking them in the eye with a stick.  She is going to be around for a while guys so get use to it or ignore it.

Build The Fence

Absolutely. That's part of th

Absolutely. That's part of the genius of her schtick.

Ann Coulter has established h

Ann Coulter has established herself as the media spokesman for the republican party and the majority of republicans have no problem at all defending her and her opinions.  This is the type of person the republican party looks up to and give credibility with no remorse whatsoever.  To me, she looks and acts freakish and twitchy, rarely changes out of a black cocktail dress and thinks she can toss out personal insults with absolutely no tone of humor and then act surprised when there are repercussions.  She won't admit personal accountability for slandering  people and has the M.O. of some sort of sociopath.  Then the republicans  jump to her defense as if she were some sort of demigod.  There is no one on the left of this ilk AT ALL! 

So I take it you DON'T like

So I take it you DON'T like Ann Coulter?

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

What gave you that idea?  I

What gave you that idea?  I absolutely idolize the man.

guitarman...you got a problem

guitarman...you got a problem...man?

Men stumble over the truth from time to time, but most pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing happened. -Winston Churchill.

Rather sexist of you I woul

Rather sexist of you I would say, I supose you believe a women with a strong opinion should ask your permission before she speaks. Have you felt threatend by strong women all your life?

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

I just get a little wary when

I just get a little wary when I see an adam's apple on a woman.

Well apparantly you don't k

Well apparantly you don't know what an "Adam's Apple" is. Because Ann is a woman and they don't have em. Some thin chicks look like they have em, but they don't. Why don't you idiots attack her ideas instead of the person. Wait... I know why... you can't attack her ideas because you can't refute them.

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

Oh, you mean the way you atta

Oh, you mean the way you attack John Edward's hair?  I can refute her facts like the way she footnotes her books or the way she said Max Cleland was injured. 

I have NEVER attacked John

I have NEVER attacked John Edwards hair! I actually think it's pretty. And no one ever said she was infalliable. She's just right MOST of the time, prove otherwise!

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

MM,I've never attacked Edward

MM,

I've never attacked Edward's hair, either. It's still there and perfectly styled, is it not?

Seriously, not many made fun of his hair until it was learned just how much he - a man who has built his political campaigns around championing the "working" class and the poor - pays for his hair cuts (and fusses around with it). It's a matter of hypocrisy - not grooming.

The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.

- Arabian Proverb

That was me that attacked his

That was me that attacked his hair! I have a crew cut! Edwards hair is sissy.

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

Oh please! He can't take ribb

Oh please! He can't take ribbing about something as unimportant and stupid as his hair??!!  How the heck do you think Edwards would have weathered the crap, the things that have been said not only by non-elected people and the MSM but members of Congress and the Senate, Pres. Bush has been through these last 6+ years?  Or even the opposition Clinton got while in office?

Edwards is NOT presidential material.  He's a loser in more ways than one.

MM maybe guitarman likes her?

MM maybe guitarman likes her?

Men stumble over the truth from time to time, but most pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing happened. -Winston Churchill.

hahahahaha........ROTFLMAOno

hahahahaha........ROTFLMAO

no one on the left..........too funny...............

Thanks fern

WRONG Fender!!!!!Micheal Moo

WRONG Fender!!!!!

Micheal Moore

Al Franken

Bill Mahar

Rosie O'Donnell

I named four, would you like more?

Build The Fence

None of these people are as h

None of these people are as hinky as Coulter. Everyone you mentioned has a sense of humor, Ann Coulter just makes incredulous statements and then just sits there with a look like a deer caught in the headlights.

fender, Your kidding Right?Yo

fender, Your kidding Right?

You can't be serious?

Moore is funny when he twists the truth and calls it a documentary?  Moore isn’t being funny he wants you to take him as a serious director.

Franken was funny at one time until he made it political.

Maher wishes the VP was killed and that is funny?

Rosie spouts disproved conspiracy theories and attacks religion with venom and she is funny?

Sorry Fender, I don't see it.

Build The Fence

They're all different from

They're all different from Coulter, but can be just as offensive to certain people. Coulter's style, IMO, is nastier.

Rosie is the blustering loudmouth.

Franken the plain-spoken elitist.

Moore the obtuse smart aleck who arranges the facts to his advantage.

Maher the angry former comedian who isn't afraid to "work blue" and decry religion.

WHy Bal?

The reason Coulter is more offnesive is because of the Liberal Media is the one offended by here and makes the most noise.

THey are obviosuly NOT offended by MOore, Franken or Maher and actually DEFEND, LAUGH and APPLAUD and CHEER these people on because most in the MSM have previously worked for Dems and want them to win, Hate True Christians, and would love to see Conservatives marginalized.

The media is constantly trying to discredit Ann, they have no desire to NOT have her on TV because they put her on, then later take her out of context and use that as a tool to let their moderate or uneducated viewers think her "Outrageous" statements are as some on this board say "representative of Conservatives".

I read Coulter all the time and I've have NEVER seen her quoted properly or even remotely understood by any of the MSM.

It is very similar to the whole dust-up last year when Bill Bennett quoted from a book about Absudities. CNN had a call-in poll that makes the statement and then asks the question "Is Bill Bennett a racisits?" Of course with the mis-quote it was hard to say he wasn't. Lukily I heard the whole thing while it was happening. I lost ALL faith, and it wasn't much, in WOlf Blitzer and CNN.

Slots Bennett

It is very similar to the whole dust-up last year when Bill Bennett quoted from a book about Absudities.

Your memory is faulty. Out of nowhere, Bennett suggested that we could reduce crime if we aborted all black babies.

Look, I've made merciless f

Look, I've made merciless fun of Bill Bennett here and elsewhere when he deserved it, but his suggestion was hardly "out of nowhere." It was "out of" crime statistics combined with a desire for higher radio ratings, if anything, and those crime statistics have gotten worse as leftist social programs have eroded the black family with the corrosive lure of big government dependence, which gave Bennett the opening. And furthermore, his gambling game of choice was video poker, not slots (but just as dumb to play compared to real poker, IMO).
JMR

Yeah, Airforce.  Remember th

Yeah, Airforce.  Remember this little ditty from Franken?

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/frankenabs1.html

LOL, yep the truth hurts dose

LOL, yep the truth hurts dosen't it.

Build The Fence

What Maher said

Maher wishes the VP was killed and that is funny?

BILL MAHER, HOST, HBO'S "REAL TIME": I have zero doubt that if Dick Cheney was not in power people wouldn't be dying needlessly tomorrow. If he did die, other people — more people would live. That's a fact.

Maher didn't wish for Cheney's death and he is correct: If Cheney had died in 2000, many more people would be alive today.

Maher didn't wish for Cheney'

Maher didn't wish for Cheney's death and he is correct: If Cheney had died in 2000, many more people would be alive today.

And using your logic, if Clinton had died in a hookers bed in Arkansas (just replace promise with died):

After the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, which killed six and injured 1,000; President Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.

After the 1995 bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed five U.S. military personnel; Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.

After the 1996 Khobar Towers bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed 19 and injured 200 U.S. military personnel; Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.

After the 1998 bombing of U.S. embassies in Africa, which killed 224 and injured 5,000; Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.

After the 2000 bombing of the USS Cole, which killed 17 and injured 39 U.S. sailors; Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.

Maybe if Clinton had kept his promise, an estimated 5,000 people in New York, Pennsylvania, and Washington, D.C. who are now dead would be alive today.

http://www.freedomministries.com/prior9-11.html

Not to mention if Willy had done half the unpopular job Bush has that we might well NOT be in A-stan, or Iraq, today.

BILL MAHER is an @ss who sounds as if he's just crawled out of his crack cocaine bed to show up for the HBO taping.  He has said considerably worse than Coulter has and been cheered for it. He and KO strike me as future subject Headlines in either drug busts, or drunk and disorderly arrests.

"no tone of humor"

"no tone of humor"

Oh, so THAT's your problem with Coulter, fendertele.    Too much dry wit and not enough hit-em-over-the-head-slapstick....well, shame on her for expecting her audience to be up enough on current events to get the joke without a program.....

pOVERTY GROUP?

 his large speaking fees for a poverty group.

1) It wasn't a poverty group

2) it was his standard fee

3) the cost was offset by charging admission

1. So what kind of group wa

1. So what kind of group was it if it wasn't about poverty?? Hell, in The Silky Pony's world, it sure as hell shouldn't be a hairdressers' convention!

2. So what? Isn't fifty grand to talk a bit steep? Doesn't that illustrate the "2 Americas" he's trying to talk about in an inconvenient way??

3. So the (non?)poverty group charges admission?
JMR