I was very skeptical about these NAU rumors at first, but now I am really starting to wonder. I will try to provide a link for those who have no idea what I am talking about in the first response below. I am not saying at this point I necessarily agree or disagree at this point, and I have not looked thru the whole site myself just yet. But I provide it as a starting point.
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NAU
June 27, 2007 - 23:08 ET by alamojbNAU
Here is the official govern
June 30, 2007 - 06:47 ET by DontFeedTheTrollsHere is the official government link referencing the destruction of America and the creation of the NAU.
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Also, check out the Amero.
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I don't support our liberals or their mission.
FEAR
July 2, 2007 - 06:50 ET by UnsaneYet another one who lives in total FEAR of a stupid "talk-shop". Wow. Imagine if all of this effort over nothing was invested in actually bringing about real immigration reform, Social Security reform, privatizing Medicare, the flat tax, etc...
(And I wonder why populist rhetoric is so easy for people to get sucked into...)
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AJLots of stuff can appear on
June 27, 2007 - 23:14 ET byAJ
Lots of stuff can appear on the net however the first link at your site spp.gov is an official govt site
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
misterb knows a lot about thi
June 27, 2007 - 23:17 ET by bigtimermisterb knows a lot about this too.
Calling misterb...where are you?
I have mixed opinions about this all so far...my husband thinks the fix is in and has been for a long while and agrees with many others here.
I is here my dear
June 27, 2007 - 23:23 ET by misterbillI is here my dear
and we need to fear
the nau/spp
is upon u and me
Our traitorous Bush
Is giving the push
To become a padrone
while the rest of us moan.
We now know his game
His name he does shame
And I the old one
Am buying a gun
To keep back the hordes
Crossing our borders (poetic license here)
And to help shift masses
Arms , legs and asses
back to the land
they think is so grand!!!
Thank you misterb...Sure got
June 27, 2007 - 23:29 ET by bigtimerThank you misterb...
Sure got your feelings on the matter in such a poetic way....lol.
Btw....You do know the latest on the Illegal Immigration Senate Bill and where it stands at the moment ....right?
If not....here it is. Short and to the point.
BT-- I am so emotional about this issue that--
June 27, 2007 - 23:35 ET by misterbillBT-- I am so emotional about this issue that--I am not sure what I read at your link was good or bad!!!!
So far it is good as far as I
June 27, 2007 - 23:39 ET by bigtimerSo far it is good as far as I am concerned.
I will see what happens tomorrow...as things can change in the Senate day to day...minute to minute.
Btw...I am just as emotional as you too...a lot of Americans are misterb....a helluva lot.
I truly think this is going to wither on the vine and it is going to be a MAJOR campaign issue for anyone to run on...they will be elected if they do as over eighty per cent of the American people want.
GW Bush is a traitor--this crap has been building
June 27, 2007 - 23:30 ET by misterbillGW Bush is a traitor--this crap has been building for years. I have been posting as you all know . loads of stuff about illegal entrants into our country. The NAU/SPP is new to me, I have only been on to it for about 3 months. I have read reams of info since then. Hey--the trucks are rolling already--the officials of Kansas City cannot wait to sell the American land to Mexico for the Smartport (The Lazaro Cardenas-Kansas City Corridor or Kansas City SmartPort) plan is well under way.) This will be Mexican land inside the US--just like an Embassy.
I hate to say it, but I think the fight is over. The filthy bastards in the Senate are buying in to this globalization dream. They all will get rich. (Almost all.)
BT- I know you are not a Corsi fan--but -- I believe he is telling it like it is. The stranglehold of the unions will appear like a gentle caress compared to the destruction of middle class jobs in America.
The fight is NOT over misterb
June 27, 2007 - 23:34 ET by bigtimerThe fight is NOT over misterb...
Not yet...not by a long shot.
I refuse to be pessimisstic all the time just yet.
Give me a few days ...okay?
LOL....
Some light reading---Thank you GW.
June 27, 2007 - 23:44 ET by misterbillFebruary 23, 2007/Contact Office of Public Affairs (202) 482-4883 "Statement by Ministers Responsibility for the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America "Ottawa - The Leaders of Canada, Mexico and the United States launched the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America (SPP) to increase security, prosperity, and improve the quality of life for the citizens of each sovereign nation. Last March in Cancun, Leaders reaffirmed their commitment to the SPP and identified five priorities: 1) Strengthening Competitiveness through creation of a private sector-led North American Competitiveness Council (NACC), and enhancing regulatory cooperation; 2) Emergency Management; 3) Avian and Pandemic Influenza; 4) Energy Security; and 5) Smart, Secure Borders. "We, the Canadian and United States Ministers responsible for Foreign Affairs, Security and Prosperity, are pleased to welcome our counterparts from the new Government of Mexico. We met today to review progress since the Leaders' meeting in Cancun and are pleased to report that progress has been achieved in a number of areas. "In order to ensure tangible results on the Cancun priorities: "We requested that the trilateral regulatory cooperation framework meant to enhance competitiveness, while maintaining high standards of health and safety be finalized by the next Leaders' Summit. We directed the members of the Coordinating Body to finalize the North American Plan on Avian and Pandemic Influenza by June 2007. We established a senior level coordinating body to prioritize and oversee emergency management activities in the following areas: 1) emergency response, 2) critical infrastructure protection; 3) border resumption in the event of an emergency; and 4) border incident management. We welcomed the progress achieved to date on the Smart, Secure Border agenda, and called upon officials to develop additional recommendations for Leaders in this area. We took note of the progress achieved by Energy Ministers in implementing priorities identified by Leaders in the areas of innovation, energy efficiency and technology development, and energy market facilitation, and look forward to further progress in advance of the Leaders' meeting. "For the next Report to Leaders, we have tasked SPP working groups and coordinators with revitalizing and streamlining their work plans to ensure that initiatives are more focused and results-oriented. We discussed the importance of transparency and communication with stakeholders and the public, and directed officials to expand their efforts in this regard. We also asked officials to pursue greater coordination amongst various working groups and initiatives in recognition that many issues cut across security and prosperity. "We thank the representatives of Canada, Mexico and the United States of the NACC for their dedication and commitment, and for their report on enhancing competitiveness. We note their recommendations in the areas of border crossing facilitation, standards and regulatory cooperation, and energy integration. Our respective governments will review the report and consider carefully its recommendations in preparation for the next Leaders' meeting. We will continue to work with the NACC and other stakeholders as we strive to make North America the safest and best place to live, invest and prosper. "Building on our strong partnership, we recognize the importance of focusing on initiatives that will further competitiveness and quality of life in North America, and will continue to work together to successfully meet the security and prosperity challenges of the 21st century. We will pursue this work to deliver tangible results and a focused agenda to the Leaders at their next meeting in August 2007, in Canada."
If you live in a small town y
June 27, 2007 - 23:52 ET by alamojbIf you live in a small town you may know the Mayor and all the city council members. Go to a little larger town, you may only know a few. As you increase the size of the town and move on up thru states and then National Government, there is less and less of a chance to know those Gov officials or even to get to meet with them face to face. Plus, the larger the system gets, the more voices there are competing against yours, and the more likely the voices that will be heard are those with connections, money or fame.
People complain about lobbyist, but they are the natural outgrowth of having governmet so far from the people. When the U.S was set up, most of the Government decisions were supposed to be at the local and state level. Neither party really supports that now. The Repubs started playing the Dems game.
I have stumbles across European sites where they are complaining about the EU.
alamo--I am in communication--
June 28, 2007 - 00:05 ET by misterbillalamo--I am in communication--with a young European fellow. Nice young man. He PMs me re: Eurabia. The people are quite upset that the elected officials bend over backwards to allow the Muslims free rein. He is concerned re: the open borders and maintaining national security.The PMs I get from him suggest to me that he is one of the people who should be in government. I have so much material I could post re: NAU/SPP that no one would read that much material. I have spent hours and hours reading at many sites (I am retired.). We are approaching the end of days. The ACLU is destroying us from within and the administration is selling out to the North American Union dream. I encountered a real heartbreaker today in one article . It said it does no good to appeal to a state Governor, they are all memebers of an SPP panel. It suggested that we ned to appeal to our state legislators to kill this NAU/SPP.
PS Are you aware that the Constitution will be subordinate to the NAU book of laws???
Treaties are the law of the l
June 28, 2007 - 00:55 ET by alamojbTreaties are the law of the land. Article 6 of the Constitution. They are above even the Bill of Rights. It is how we may very well loose most of them. I have long felt this was the most dangerous part of the Constitution and should have been amended years ago.
Abrogation
June 30, 2007 - 23:19 ET by UnsaneTreaties are made to be abrogated. People seem to forget that.
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Nau--more
June 27, 2007 - 23:50 ET by misterbill"One key goal of this emerging North American Union is a borderless North America by 2010. This helps explain why the Bush administration is so insistent that Congress pass guest worker legislation this year. The goal of the elites who are constructing the North American Union is "temporary migrant worker programs expanded with full mobility of labor between the three countries in the next five years." Please send the strong message below to your representative and senators that Congress must immediately stop the Bush administration's construction of a North American Union under its "Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America" initiative with Mexico and Canada. "
misterb...You know I have re
June 27, 2007 - 23:55 ET by bigtimermisterb...
You know I have read this before....
I just want to thank you for posting this here for alamo and others on this subject to make their own opinions and open some eyes and make others think about this and have their own opinions...and links.
It is very important to all of us.
I know Dave R is too.
I just do not think the American people are going to let this happen.
Our voices are being heard misterb...adn I won't shut-up along with millions of others who are screaming too.
I don't know how true--got an email this evening
June 27, 2007 - 23:56 ET by misterbillI don't know how true this is, but someone sent this one to me via email. Either way we need to form our own opinions of the illegals coming
across the border for work and entitlement.
Here is a REAL INTERVIEW with an illegal immigrant at a protest march in Texas and an excellent example of a discussion with a master of circular logic. Don 't be logical, don't respect the truth or your adversary, just say what you think makes a new case when the previous case gets too difficult to defend.
On the streets of downtown Houston , May 1, 2006.
Jim Moore reporting for a Houston TV station:
Jim: Juan, I see that you and thousands of other protesters are marching in the streets to demonstrate for your cause. Exactly what is your cause and what do you expect to accomplish by this protest?
Juan: We want our rights. We will show you how powerful we are. We will bring Houston to its knees!
Jim: What rights?
Juan: Our right to live here...legally. Our right to get all the benefits you get.
Jim: When did you come to the United States ?
Juan: Six years ago. I crossed over the border at night with seven other friends.
Jim: Why did you come?
Juan: For work. I can earn as much in a month as I could in a year in Mexico . Besides, I get free health care, our Mexican children can go to school free, if I lose my job I will get Welfare, and someday I will have the Social Security. Nothing like that in Mexico !
Jim: Did you feel badly about breaking our immigration laws when you came?
Juan: No! Why should I feel bad? I have a right to be here. I have a right to amnesty. I paid lots of money for my Social Security and Green Cards.
Jim: How did you acquire those documents?
Juan: From a guy in Dallas . He charged me a lot of money too.
Jim: Did you know that those documents were forged?
Juan: It is of no matter. I have a right to be here and work.
Jim: What is the "right" you speak of?
Juan: The right of all Aliens. It is found in your Constitution. Read it!
Jim: I have read it, but I do not remember it saying anything about rights for Aliens.
Juan: It is in that part where it says that all men have Alien rights, like the right to pursue happiness. I wasn't happy in Mexico , so I came here.
Jim: I think you are referring to the declaration of Independence and that document speaks to unalienable rights .. Not Alien rights.
Juan: Whatever.
Jim: Since you are demanding to become an American citizen, why then are you carrying a Mexican Flag?
Juan: Because I am Mexican.
Jim: But you said you want to be given amnesty ... to become a US citizen.
Juan: No. This is not what we want. This is our country, a part of Mexico that you Gringos stole from us. We want it returned to its rightful owner.
Jim: Juan, you are standing in Texas . After wining the war with Mexico , Texas became a Republic, and later Texans voted to join the USA . It was not stolen from Mexico .
Juan: That is a Gringo lie. Texas was stolen. So was California , New Mexico and Arizona . It is just like all the other stuff you Gringos steal, like oil and babies. You are a country of thieves.
Jim: Babies? You think we steal babies?
Juan: Sure. Like from Korea and Vietnam and China . I see them all over the place. You let all these foreigners in, but try to keep us Mexicans out. How is this fair?
Jim: So, you really don't want to become an American citizen then.
Juan: I just want my rights! Everyone has a right to live, work, and speak their native language wherever and whenever they please. That's another thing we demand. All signs and official documents should be in Spanish . Teachers must teach in Spanish. Soon, more people here in Houston will speak Spanish than English. It is our right!
Jim: If I were to cross over the border into Mexico without proper documentation, what rights would I have there?
Juan: None. You would probably go to jail, but that's different.
Jim: How is it different? You said everyone has the right to live wherever they please.
Juan: You Gringos are a bunch of land grabbing thieves. Now you want Mexico too? Mexico has its rights. You Gringos have no rights in Mexico . Why would you want to go there anyway? There is no free medical service, schools, or welfare there for foreigners such as you. You cannot even own land in my country. Stay in the country of your birth.
Jim: I can see that there is no way that we can agree on this issue. Thank you for your comments.
Juan: Viva Mexico!!
You will not see this heart-stopping photo on the front page of the NY Times or on the lead story of the major news networks. The protestors put up the Mexican flag over the American flag flying upside down at Montebello High School in California .
Pass this along to every American citizen in your address books and to every representative in the state and federal government. If you choose to remain uninvolved, do not be amazed when you no longer have a nation to call your own nor anything you have worked for left since it will be "redistributed" to the activists while you are so peacefully staying out of the "fray".
Check history, it is full of nations/empires that disappeared when its citizens no longer held their core beliefs and values. One person CAN make a difference. One plus one plus one plus one plus one plus one........
The battle for our secure borders and immigration laws that actually mean something, however, hasn't even begun.
I posted this earlier.
June 28, 2007 - 00:04 ET by alamojbI posted this earlier.
I should have said this link
June 28, 2007 - 01:07 ET by alamojbI should have said this link is part of a series I started on US and Mexican Land.
In my opinion www.snopes.com
June 28, 2007 - 00:20 ET by Carl KolchakIn my opinion www.snopes.com and www.truthorfiction.com do a pretty good job of looking at emails in a very non-biased manner. Snopes has this listed as undetermined right now, but the name Jim Moore doesn't seem to be a part of any Houston based television crew.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/interview.asp
"Im a man of means by no means King of the road" 'King of the Road'
Yes, I believe that the U.S.
June 28, 2007 - 00:05 ET byYes, I believe that a large part of the U.S. government is pushing for a North American Union. And it is against our Constitution.
Debra...
Right. And Calderon, along
June 28, 2007 - 06:31 ET by UnsaneRight. And Calderon, along with Harper (and Layton and Dion) all simply nod and say, "OK".
There are a whole lot of people here who desperately need to study the history and culture of Canada and Mexico carefully. Unless, of course, they are just a bunch of anti-free trade demagogue populists.
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Unsane, you and I agree on
June 29, 2007 - 00:28 ET by Conservative VoiceUnsane, you and I agree on most things. I am for "free trade" but the more I look into it the more I think the government is trying to do things under the radar of the people. You are correct that the people in all three countries would fight this....but the problem is it is being done through free trade agreements. Given the fact that we had to break arms ( not just twist them ) to get Congress to listen to us over the weekend puts the government at a very low point of trust. And on illegal immigration I don't trust President Bush. The Banks want it, corporations want it, and many in government want it. I listen to Glenn Beck, who I trust...and he agrees that there is something to this.
Advisory
June 29, 2007 - 00:38 ET by UnsanePreparing a lengthy response...will be back soon...
CV,I have tried mightily to a
June 29, 2007 - 00:59 ET by Dave RCV,
I have tried mightily to avoid this entire NAU subject, as I had pretty much dissmissed it as nothing more than conspiracy kookery, but the evidence is beginning to pile up that there may be more to this than we may have thought. What else is there to explain GWB's near rabid support for the scamnesty bill, despite its obvious danger to the near-term future of our country.
And it ain't just Glenn Beck, either.
Help Fred Thompson defeat the RINOs along with the Hitllary/Obama axis & win the White House in '08.
Again
June 29, 2007 - 06:09 ET by Unsane...in the rush to make this a mad conspiracy theory, one forgets some key things:
1) Canada centers its entire identity on "not being American".
2) Someone MIGHT want to make a phone call to Ottawa concerning this so-called scheme.
3) Someone also MIGHT want to call Mexico City and include Calderon on this.
4) Last time I checked, Bush will not be in office in 2010, the year we are just supposed to wake up and find ourselves in this evil "NAU" by some magic spell.
The reasons for this non-handling of the illegal immigration issue? Simple.
1) Voter apathy (though, with the bill dead, I think the voters have woken the hell up. Now, time to demand REAL reform!)
2) The Republicans and Dems both a) do not want to offend a block of voters, and b) want to woo that block of voters. (This also explains why one of my favorite ideas, English as the official language of all government business, will never get anywhere, sadly.)
3) Some are afflicted with pasty guilt.
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I'd add a hidden "4.&q
June 29, 2007 - 06:37 ET by sarcasmoI'd add a hidden "4." to your illegals-list. It keeps demand up for dollars, and (like the massive efficiency vs old hardware stores of Wal-Mart) that fact, in subtle ways, tends to mask dollar inflation. Think about it, each illegal they let-in individually instantly creates a bunch more demand for USD which wasn't there before, and I can say from personal experience that trying to horn in on the remittance-market results in legal attack because some of the high fees illegals and legals pay on remittance/transfers buy US politicians, IMO.
JMR
All of this to keep up demand
June 30, 2007 - 22:54 ET by UnsaneAll of this to keep up demand for dollars? If there is a slackening in demand for dollars, perhaps you can explain why Airbus has been stung by the fact that all their aircraft are sold in dollars, or why countless commodities and other items on major markets are routinely quoted in dollars?
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Unsane,As you know, I respect
June 29, 2007 - 21:47 ET by Dave RUnsane,
As you know, I respect your opinions here more than just about any other.
Believe me when I tell you, you have no idea how much I hope you are right, and that I am totally wrong on this.
Help Fred Thompson defeat the RINOs along with the Hitllary/Obama axis & win the White House in '08.
Unsane
June 29, 2007 - 22:18 ET by mandrake1) Canada centers its entire identity on "not being American".
Unsane, there are days when you can be down right annoying. And since this is the Canada Day weekend, I'm going to reply!
This Canadian is proud of his heritage. I have my Scottish family crest hanging on the wall. My favorite tie is my family plaid. My favorite coffee mug is from Stratford on the Avon.
What does any of that have to do with being anti-american? Most Canadians I know feel the same way.
As for the Quebecers...well who knows.
mandrake
June 29, 2007 - 22:25 ET by shawn228Happy Canada Day Mandrake. Unlike Unsane, I really believe that Canada is a country going somewhere.
Thanks shawn. I don't know wh
June 29, 2007 - 22:31 ET by mandrakeThanks shawn. I don't know where the country is going..but I'm going to a really great barbecue tomorrow! :-)
The United States of Americ
June 29, 2007 - 22:54 ET by shawn228The United States of America is a great country mandrake. Throughout history they have defended other countries without asking for much if anything in return. Unfortunatly there are some that give it a black mark by rubbing in their military superiority and inventions they have to take credit on. Ever watch the Seinfeld episode when George wants to take credit for "the big salad"?
No, But I'll bet Balboa has!
June 29, 2007 - 23:02 ET by mandrakeNo, But I'll bet Balboa has!
Well, if it weren't for the m
June 30, 2007 - 05:28 ET by UnsaneWell, if it weren't for the military superiority of the United States, Canada would have much to fear from the rest of the world...
And yes, we SHOULD rub in our military superiority, inventions and innovations in as many faces as possible. Why, you ask? Because the world is filled with too many ingrates. If there was zero ingratitude, I wouldn't be so adamant. But as your post indicates, the world is replete with much ingratitude and whining.
Oh, and Seinfeld sucked, and was never funny.
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Somewhere...as in total medio
June 30, 2007 - 05:24 ET by UnsaneSomewhere...as in total mediocrity and not mattering in the world.
Meanwhile, while Canada is NOT mentioned int he same breath as Japan, China, India, and the United States, you think it is "going somewhere". Sure. Canada, in its lust for stability and coddling at the expense of dynamism, committed itself to a perpetual path of not mattering and Going Nowhere long ago.
If you LOVE CANADA so much, why not swing by the U.S. consulate in Vancouver while you are there and renounce your U.S. citizenship?
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How Dare up say that me
June 30, 2007 - 08:47 ET by shawn228How Dare up say that me Unsane!!!! Seinfield was a great show!! Lol, I do not want to give up my US citizenshop Unsane, I do not want to appear ungrateful. I just took offence when DaveR said Canadians should die like dogs, I did not know he was umm..."stirring the pot". I know your talking points on this subject and you know mine. Lets not rehash it. Don't plan on going to the US consulate, but I am really looking forward to my trip:) IMO Vancouver and San Francisco are best cities in North American when it comes to restaurants.
He was probably trying to a
June 30, 2007 - 08:52 ET by sarcasmoHe was probably trying to avoid getting into it this AM with me, after I cut one in the elevator of this thread by saying "bipartisan criminality." :) You know Unsane and picking battles. Heh heh heh. Eat well on your trip!
JMR
Thx Sarc:) I actually r
June 30, 2007 - 09:03 ET by shawn228Thx Sarc:) I actually respect Unsane and think he is a very intelligent person, I just don't understand why everytime I say Canada is not a country going nowhere, he tells me move there. I have told him countless times I love the USA. Oh well maybe he will get it this time.
Facts don't change some fol
June 30, 2007 - 09:15 ET by sarcasmoFacts don't change some folks' minds, or when they do the process often isn't as fast as I'd like, but I think even I can get Unsane to come around to small government on not-some-but-all things, eventually. Freedom is popular, after all!
JMR
"...I think even I can g
June 30, 2007 - 22:56 ET by Unsane"...I think even I can get Unsane to come around to small government..."
After reading that phrase, I think that you should think a few thousand times before accusing anyone, to include me, of poor reading comprehension ever again.
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You're the one that accused
July 1, 2007 - 03:14 ET by sarcasmoYou're the one that accused me of being "a sheriff" when I tried, without success, to get you to admit you'd spend even more tax money on the tax and spend drugwar, which ain't small government whether conservatives like that fact or not. Look, your stupid drugwar has been getting more expensive to taxpayers since Tricky Dick first declared it, and like Tricky's EPA, it needs to go away and cease to exist. You need to come around on smaller government in that sense, and nothing you've said has anything to do with my reading comprehension. You want bigger government when it comes to your holy tax and spend drugwar, period, even though it's just as much of a failure as public schooling or anything else big government does!
JMR
A shocking statement
July 2, 2007 - 06:18 ET by UnsaneYes, I want laws enforced, and that means supportingtheholytaxandspenddrugwar. And like it or not, your stupid crack about me not wanting smaller government does much to reveal your lack of reading comprehension. Or perhaps your ego is so massive that it blocks your vision?
The countries that have decriminalized drugs all have some commonalities:
1) All have completely given up on their people and populations.
2) All are Going Nowhere.
Say, if you take a glance at this week's edition of The Economist, you can read all about a boom town in Alberta that has some citizens who will be at odds with your happy-go-lucky attitude towards drugs. But as it runs counter to your religious dogma, here's betting you won't bother reading it.
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My "stupid crack"
July 2, 2007 - 06:36 ET by sarcasmoMy "stupid crack" happens to be absolutely true, and it doesn't take a massive ego (or massive intelligence) to debate you on the subject of the tax and spend drugwar, because you're hysterical on the subject and use "arguments" like "going nowhere" instead of addressing the reality of what kids everywhere actually do when anything is blessed with the allure of prohibition by adults. That's why you didn't want to admit it and instead wanted to accuse me of being "a sheriff" despite the fact that all I'm armed-with is words and a keyboard. And if I can have a link, I'd love to see what the Economist has to say about cannabis and public policy, but I'm certainly not payin' anyone for it.
JMR
"My 'stupid crack happen
July 4, 2007 - 00:59 ET by Unsane"My 'stupid crack happens to be absolutely true"
Thank you for proving my point.
"it doesn't take a massive ego (or massive intelligence) to debate you on the subject of the taxandspenddrugwar" And you wonder why I say you are supremely enraged that SOMEONE would DARE disagree with you. Let me guess. You are 100,000% correct , all the time, and my sole duty should be to SHUT UP andf DEMAND your immediate elevation to PFL status, correct? Well, no. The statistics you cite for the Netherlands are statistics of a nation that is Absolutely Going Nowhere; a nation that is NOT mentioned in the same breath as India, China, or the United States. It is not a dynamic nation on the forefront of civilization. If you can't understand that, well, then you are beyond help.
I would link to The Economist, but as large swathes of the site charge fees, I will not link there. But, the next time I have the article close-at-hand, I will quote for you. Now, don't throw a temper tantrum like shawn228 did. There IS an alternative. Either hit a library for a copy, or go to Barnes and Noble, and read a few articles. How do you think I manage to get the occasional swipe at Reason without paying for it?
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Well, shawn, for all of your
June 30, 2007 - 22:59 ET by UnsaneWell, shawn, for all of your gushing about Canada, and how much you swear up and down that its coddling, nannying ways are in fact The Wave Of The Future (instead of The #1 Way To Ossify), I think it is a very legitimate question.
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Hello Unsane, I said I
June 30, 2007 - 23:08 ET by shawn228Hello Unsane, I said I liked their medical plan no need to exagerate here. Could you speed up your rebuttles. Lately your turn around time is worse than the IRS.:)
Working at night complicates
June 30, 2007 - 23:24 ET by UnsaneWorking at night complicates things. Hence the technical diffiulties. Yes, even sleep is prioritized over NB.
I don't think a medical plan that is funded by stealing from others as a base is a good plan. If the Leftists are all upset that people (some of whom purposely mismanage money of their own freewill, shockingly) can't afford medical coverage, then why do they whine and cry to the government FIRST, instead of maybe putting together a private charitable organization that covers the medical bills of various people? (Amazingly, that can still in fact be done.)
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Sorry about the lack of
June 30, 2007 - 23:49 ET by shawn228Sorry about the lack of sleep Unsane. NB can be a really exausting habit huh? I know my better half thinks I spend way too much time on the computer.
Like I said I want quality medical for every man woman and child. IMO, I will not budge. Right now even with all their problems. what they have in terms of medical is way better than ours. And no Unsane, I do not want to move away because I like one thing better about Canada than the USA.
What they have in terms of me
July 1, 2007 - 00:56 ET by UnsaneWhat they have in terms of medical CAN'T be any better than ours. (Besides, if the Canadians were happy with it, explain the Romanow report.) In fact I have demonstrated time and time again how it is worse. For some reason, Canadians still swing south of the border for medical treatments with money they have saved up. Out of 100+ years of Nobel Prizes for medicine, thus far in an admittedly cursory glance, I located ONE Canadian to stack up against the scores of Americans who have won it.
Yeah, the Canadians invented insulin, but the United States produced the artificial heart, the polio vaccine, and numerous other medical advances. More are happening just down the road from me here in Houston at its massive medical center. Were/are these innovations and inventions done out of the pure kindness of their hearts? No, for doctors do in fact need to eat.
Looking back at my pneumonia, I am much happier knowing that I was treated immediately with the slapping down of my credit card and medical insurance information, and with the payment to the nearest pharmacist of a bank-breaking $4, for immediate treatment in the world's most advanced medical system, rather than have to sit around and wait in pain for hours and hours because three hundred people are ahead of me to get their paper cuts and sniffles cured, all because IT IS "FREE"!!!
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Yes, many come across the b
July 1, 2007 - 01:11 ET by shawn228Yes, many come across the border to have surguries. We have the best doctors in the world because all real skilled workers live here because they can earn more in their profession. The Dr's in Canada are not that shabby, I have never heard of one case even close to Walter Reed style of care you compare it to to. They wait longer for surguries, but few die because of it.
Yeah, the Canadians invented insulin, but the United States produced
the artificial heart, the polio vaccine, and numerous other medical
advances. More are happening just down the road from me here in
Houston at its massive medical center. Were/are these innovations and
inventions done out of the pure kindness of their hearts? No, for
doctors do in fact need to eat.
Come on Unsane, it seems everybody has a alter ego. The character you would create is the executive that has a lot of money because of his inventions . You haveprotect other workers from bullies, but you never let them forget they owe you something. If someone has a dissenting point of view, that worker is a traitor that should be fired. The companys you deal with that supply you with fuel and equipment are worthless and going nowhere because they depend on you for protecting them from the neighborhood bully.
Don't think he was interviewed about Walter Reed
July 1, 2007 - 01:18 ET by Carl KolchakI don't think this chaplain was interviewed by the MSM. Here is a link from Snopes who I believe is very non biased. This is his view of Walter Reed as someone who has been at Walter Reed for a long time. I don't believe he was interviewed by the MSM.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/kallerson.asp
"Well I got nothing against the press. They wouldn't print it if it wasn't true" 'Sunday Papers'
Hi Carl, Hope all is we
July 1, 2007 - 01:27 ET by shawn228Hi Carl, Hope all is well. For a fellow tv watcher I strongly recommend seasons 12345 of 24. Season 3 is only so so, but worth watching and season 6 sucked.
Karl I am only using Walter Reed as one example. There are very sad medical storys right now that have happenned to lots of good people.I just believe what they have in Canada for medical is better than our system. Although I concede with paying for 2 wars and a 9 trillion national debt, it is easier said than done.
"CHIPS" season one is out on DVD
July 1, 2007 - 01:35 ET by Carl KolchakShawn, great news, "CHIPS" season one is out on DVD now. That is definatly on the Christmas list. For Father's Day I got "Banacek" season one and "Rockford Files" season four. I have to admit I've never watched "24" so I don't know much about it.
"We're gonna have a tv party tonight"
Karl does this sound fa
July 1, 2007 - 01:40 ET by shawn228Carl does this sound familiar to you?
Nostalgia
You're pretty cool Shawn
July 1, 2007 - 01:49 ET by Carl KolchakYou're pretty cool Shawn. Anyone that can break out the "CHIPS" opening is pretty cool.
Did I ever tell you Erik Estrada starred in a "Kolchak" episode? It's so cheesy that only one viewing was all I could handle.
Thx Carl, you are too.
July 1, 2007 - 02:02 ET by shawn228Thx Carl, you are too. If you don't mind, I would like to add you to my buddy list. Also check out this clip of 24. I have watched lots of TV in my day, but 24 seasons 1-5 were the most addicting I have ever watched
24
Just remember to send a fruitcake at Christmas time
July 1, 2007 - 13:53 ET by Carl KolchakYes, go ahead and put me on your buddy list, but make sure to remember to send me a fruitcake at Christmas. All my buddies send me fruitcakes at Christmas Time. Also, we celebrate Christmas in July as well as December, so remember to send 2 a year.
If you like government undercover work like "24", you should really checkout "Wiseguy". Kevin Spacey played a bad guy named Mel Profitt and was really good.
Carl -- I've just seen the Si
July 1, 2007 - 13:59 ET by Jack BauerCarl -- I've just seen the Simpsons '24' spoof starring the voices and cartoon likenesses of Jack and Chloe.
Carl, I love the Christma
July 1, 2007 - 15:38 ET by shawn228Carl, Thx for the advice on Wiseguy. I love the Christmas meal with, turkey, stuffing , pumpkin pie, mashed taters and all the trimmings, but I would put the person that invented fruitcake on par with the person that said apple sauce should be eaten with pork chops. "meat with fruit" You are more than welcome to all my fruitcake.
I would say that there are enough fruitcakes in real life with these families wouldn't you agree?:) "The TV families are perfect, but real life is a different matter"
family one
family two
(sigh) again and again and again...
July 2, 2007 - 06:24 ET by UnsaneCanada has this GREAT medical system, yet they have done virtually NOTHING to advance the frontiers of medical science in decades.
Personally, I don't think you should ever whine about the national debt ever again while in the same breath you demand the government nationalize 14-15% of the economy of the United States. It isn't working out very well for Britain either. The NHS's budget is larger than the budgets of every nation on earth, except the top ten, and THAT is to pamper and nanny 60 million people who can really manage to get their own freakin doctors!
What's next, shawn? You gonna steal from me, via government, to pay for your gas and utilities? Your groceries even?
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Indeed, on my job, I never fo
July 1, 2007 - 01:20 ET by UnsaneIndeed, on my job, I never forget that my paycheck derives from the company's success, and that they can and will fire me at any time for any reason. Keeps me on my toes. I react by working harder, and, because they are a good employer, I seek out opportunities for them.
"The companys you deal with that supply you with fuel and equipment" that we can just as easily get from elsewhere "are worthless and going nowhere" because of their coddling, nannying policies to their least productive citizens, and their refusal to allow society to be dynamic, and their desire to have the government have complete control of as much of life as possible "because they depend on you for protecting them from the neighborhood bully" and do very little to contribute to that protection...well, at least PM Harper decided to upgrade their Forces by ordering 8 C-17s.
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You are doing the best
July 1, 2007 - 01:51 ET by shawn228You are doing the best you can for your stockholders but what you fail to mention is the the person whos job you took over made the company money. When you took over you made things look great on the outside but you have borrowed so much money from the bank that you have to borrow more from the companies with no future.
Getting off the topic about your alter ego for a moment.
"The companys you deal with that supply you with fuel and equipment" that we can just as easily get from elsewhere
Ok Unsane. You also said since we get out goods easily from elsewhere and you also stated since we get our oil from other places except for the middle east they cannot use oil as weapon. Well Unsane oil is not about $70.00 a barrel. We attacked Iran tomorrow. OPEC shoots oil past 125 a a barrell. Will the Canadians which you get most of your oil from sell you that oil for 70.00 a barrell? And who would you buy oil from if not from Canada? Since you know, they can find it so easily elsewhere.
Why, there is a big, fat sour
July 2, 2007 - 06:33 ET by UnsaneWhy, there is a big, fat source of oil much closer. Why do you think that Houston is the world capital of the oil business? Not only do WE have oil, but so does Mexico (and the Gulf of Mexico), and points south. So does Nigeria, Equatorial Guinea, Angola, and so on.
Getting oil from the tar sands can be a real bitch. The oil companies are looking at getting a nuclear reactor going to power the process because they anticipate it only getting trickier as time wears on (this from CBC, of all places).
We don't have to buy much of anything from Canada. Ask the cattle ranchers up north what happened when one of their cows was reported having BSE.
"When you took over you made things look great on the outside but you have borrowed so much money from the bank that you have to borrow more from the companies with no future" all the while dealing with whiny children who, at the exact same time they bitch, scream, cry and whine about the debt, they DEMAND MORE AND MORE AND MORE GOODIES from the government, which...surprise!!!...only raises the debt!
When are you going to resolve that contradiction? Or perhaps youi are afflicted with innocent guilt (h/t to Meshuggah, "In Death - Is Life")?
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Hmmmmm, well the Toro
July 2, 2007 - 23:59 ET by shawn228Hmmmmm, well the Toronto won the world series in the nineties two
years in a row, but most of the players were American. Vice versa here.
Houston might be the leader in world business for oil, but how much of
it comes from the USA? Here is the top 5 places we get oil from
Canada, Mexico, Saudi Arabia, Venezuala, and Nigeria
Yes, i remember the BDS scare as well. That is a very small part of USA's trad with Canada. You are seriously disillusioned,
if you think we can make up 560 billion dollars worth of trade every
year to Canada with other countries very easily. We get more oil and
electricity from them than any other country. So If we did not get it from Canada, we can easily get it from Mexico? From Hugo Chavez? Sorry Unsane, I find that very hard to believe. If oil was in such plentiful supply it would not be at over $70.00 a barrell.
I never
contradicted myself at all. I said I believe Canada has a better
medical system than ours. I believe I also said to Carl that when we
are fighting two wars and a 9 trillion dollar debt, it is no easy feat.
Both
you and Mene Gene have said you cannot use oil as weapon because we
import oil fairly little oil from the middle east "even though Saudi
Arabia is #3". You still have never answered my question. If something
happenned like, the insurgents in Iraq blew up 3-4 major pipelines in
the middle east. OPEC raises the price of oil from 75 to 125.00 a
barrell. Would Canada, Mexico sell us that same barrell of oil for
the $75?. Oh and as for your Spurs, guess who invented basketball? Oh and the Blackberry.
Oh, you mean who STOLE the id
July 3, 2007 - 05:44 ET by UnsaneOh, you mean who STOLE the idea for the Blackberry from a VA company? Nice to see you finally acknowledged that I pointed out where James Naismith was from. Interestingly, though, the game was invented in Springfield, MA. Why not some town in Ontario or New Brunswick?
Believe all you want, as dogmatically as possible, that Canada has a better health care system than the United States...I just got done glancing over an article that shows that if you REALLY want the U.S. medical system to improve...you might want to...(GASP!!!)...get government OUT of the system as much as possible (horrors!!!). Besides, the United States is where it's at when it comes to advancing the frontiers of medical science. Come on down to Houston and take a spin through the Medical Center for a small taste of it.
I did answer your question, you simply don't like the answer. Canada is not the only nation in the world that supplies the United States oil and power. And where do you think the bump in the loonie is coming from, anyways (although if the loonie rises much further, Canada gets to taste the joys of "Dutch disease")?
The sad fact is that Canada needs the United States much more than the United States needs them. The United States' market of 300 million will always overshadow a nation that is roughly 1/10th the size in terms of population, especially when Canada is getting left in the dust by the United States just in terms of purchasing power (Canadians made C$1800 less than Americans in 1981 but C$7200 less in 2005), making it a more attractive market and a place to do business.
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Ummmm, You did not ans
July 3, 2007 - 09:20 ET by shawn228If the USA can get goods and make up 560 billion dollars worth of trade is not easy, but I will say it would be up for debate but... ummmm, You did not answer my question. Would Canada or Mexico sell us oil for $70 a barrell if OPEC raised the price for a barrell of oil to $125 if terrorist attacked major pipelines in the middle east. You and Mene Gene assert oil cannot be used as a weapon, so please elaborate.
For one thing...how can OPEC
July 4, 2007 - 01:01 ET by UnsaneFor one thing...how can OPEC raise the price of oil? There are plenty of nations that are NOT in OPEC that get tons of money from oil...
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OPEC helps determine th
July 4, 2007 - 07:38 ET by shawn228OPEC helps determine the price of oil by saying how much oil should be pumped and sold in the Middle East. They cannot raise the price, I'm pretty sure you know what I meant, you ar nitpicking my words so you can duck my question. If insurgents attacked majoir pipelines in the ME it would raise the price of oil dramatically would it not?
You remember the last energy crises in 1973 don't you? That happenned because OPEC did not want to ship oil to countries supporting Israel in the October war. It increased the price of oil 4 fold. If that is not using oil as a weapon, I don't know what is.
PS
Re: your response to Amber yesterday. Your English teacher complained you read too much? Lol What at b!t(h.
On OPEC
July 7, 2007 - 06:16 ET by UnsaneWhat really hampered the United States at that time was not OPEC (so much) but excessive regulation of prices that led to shortages. Whenever you screw around with the price mechanism, no matter what the product, weird, unpleasa