ABC Edits Out Coulter Zingers in Debate With Edwards

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On Wednesday’s "Good Morning America," co-anchor Chris Cuomo portrayed the previous day’s on-air debate between Elizabeth Edwards and Ann Coulter as a one sided lecture from the ‘08 contender’s wife. The ABC program edited out or didn’t play either of Coulter’s best verbal barbs.

The conservative author’s zinger, that John Edwards’ use of her name to raise money is better "than giving $50,000 speeches to the poor," was bluntly cut out. And although GMA found time to play Mrs. Edwards’ denunciation of the conservative commentator as hateful, the program skipped over a retort by Coulter that described Mr. Edwards’ law practice as "bankrupting doctors by giving a shyster, Las Vegas routine."

In a related note, MSNBC’s "First Read" page now admits that the ambush by a 2008 candidate’s wife was a preplanned event between the network and the John Edwards campaign:

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According to an Edwards campaign aide, Elizabeth Edwards wanted to call into the show when she heard that Coulter would be taking questions, and she called a Hardball producer to get the phone number needed to dial into the show.

And now, with MSNBC’s help, the Edwards ‘08 website is using the incident to promote the North Carolina Democrat.

A transcript of the segment, which aired at 7:17am on June 27, follows:

7am tease

Robin Roberts: "The politics of personal attacks erupts over the airwaves as Elizabeth Edwards takes on Ann Coulter, asking her to stop attacking her husband. We’ll hear the on-air debate."

7:17am

ABC Graphic: "Edwards vs. Coulter: Political Battle Over the Airwaves"

Chris Cuomo: "And we'll turn now to the politics of personal attacks. The conservative Ann Coulter, known for throwing verbal punches, last night, she was on the receiving end of a few in a fiery debate with Elizabeth Edwards, wife of presidential contender John Edwards, who challenged Coulter to pull the plug on personal attacks, attacks which flared up on this program. It started right here on GMA on Monday. Ann Coulter defending her earlier comments that many interpreted as a homosexual slur aimed at john Edwards. She says she was joking."

Ann Coulter: "I did not call John Edwards the F-word. I said I couldn’t talk about him because you could go into rehab for using that word. But about the same time, you know, Bill Maher was not joking and saying he wished Dick Cheney had been killed in a terrorist attack. So, I’ve learned my lesson. If I’m going to say anything about John Edwards in the future, I’ll just wish he had been killed in a terrorist assassination plot."

Cuomo: "Then last night, appearing on Chris Matthews’ ‘Hardball,’ an incensed Elizabeth Edwards called in to challenge her."

Elizabeth Edwards: "I want to use the opportunity, which I don't get much because Ann and I don't hang out with the same people, to ask her bluntly to stop the personal attacks."

Coulter: "I don't have enough money. Okay so I made a joke, let's see, six months ago, and as you point out, they've been raising money off of it, for six months, since then."

Matthews: "But this is just yesterday morning, what you said about him."

Coulter: "I didn't say anything about him, actually, either time."

Edwards: "Ann, Ann you know that's not true. And, and once more, this has been going on for some time."

[At this point, GMA cuts this line and picks up the debate a few seconds later: Coulter: "I don't mind you trying to raise money. I mean it's better this than giving $50,000 speeches to the poor-"]

Coulter: "Stop writing your columns. Stop writing your books.'"

Edwards: "You had a column, you wrote a column several years ago-"

Matthews: "Ann, please."

Coulter: "Okay."

Edwards: "Which made, which made fun of the moment of Charlie Dean's death and suggested that my husband had a bumper sticker on the back of his car that said, ‘Ask me about my dead son.'"

Coulter: "That's now three years ago."

Edwards: "This is not legitimate political dialogue. It debases political dialogue. It draws people away from the process. We can't have a debate about issues if you're using this kind of language."

Coulter responding to audience member: "Yeah why isn't John Edwards making this call?"

Edwards: "I am making this call as a mother. I am, I'm the mother of that boy who died. I, my children participate. These young people behind you are the age of my children, particularly, you're asking them to participate in a dialogue that's based on, on hatefulness and ugliness instead of on the issues and I don't, I don't think that's serving them or this country very well."

Cuomo: "And by the way, Coulter said if Mrs. Edwards were [sic] asking her to stop, the answer is no."

Roberts: "The answer is no. She was here, of course, Ann Coulter, earlier this week. Controversy follows her and you experienced that for yourself."

Cuomo: "It is one of the few interviews where I got criticized by Democrats and Republicans. Republicans said she called the President a nincompoop. You should have gone after her. Democrats said, ‘She went after Edwards. You should have gone after her.’"

Roberts: "Both sides."

Cuomo: "A lot of controversy."

—Scott Whitlock is a news analyst for the Media Research Center.


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No Desire for Truth

These folks have no in a fair and balanced piece. Coulter more than held her own. But the network coverage, probably being coordinated by the Edwards campaign will be slanted to the Matthews/Edwards point of view.

There will be no soul searching about journalistic ethics. After all it is not like Chris Wallace trying to ask an unapproved question of Bill Clinton.

The left and that includes the networks have no interest in "free speech". They are intolerant, arrogant and totalitarian in nature.  The left wants a fairness doctrine for "talk radio" but will exempt the "hard journalism" of people like Chris Cuomo and networks such as ABC, CBS, NBC and CNN

If you can't beat the competition, lie about them and shut them down by government.

More whorish behaviour by the

More whorish behaviour by the leftist MSM.

MSNBC's got a poll up now. 

MSNBC's got a poll up now. 

I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it.

One the one hand we have &quo

One the one hand we have "Liberals" (read socialist/fascists) who want to regulate conservative speech with the misnamed "fairness doctrine," and on the other hand, they are engaging in a sneaky attempt to get away with libel.

Expressing an opinion is one thing, even if they try to disguise it as objective news reporting; but to edit out what a person said in order to deliberately mischaracterize it and discredit the person, is practically libelous.

Irony is so ironic.

"Libelous" like the

"Libelous" like the selective editing of Kerry's "stuck in Iraq" gaffe?

And what the heck is a "socialist/fascist," a black Klansman?

Reality has a well known liberal bias.

I don't recall anyone editi

I don't recall anyone editing what John Kerry said - it was faithfully and completely reported, in his own voice. If HE is the one who "misspoke", then to change what he ACTUALLY said into what he MEANT to say would be dishonest.

You have been given the choice between war and dishonor. You have chosen dishonor, and you will have both.

--Winston Churchill to Neville Chamberlain

The media repeatedly took it

The media repeatedly took it out of context. Listen to the full clip and it's obvious what he was saying. Unfortunately today's drive-by media is particularly susceptible to GOP talking points so few people got the real story. Most coverage of the gaffe consisted of self-righteous Republicans demanding Kerry apologize to the troops for something he didn't say.

Reality has a well known liberal bias.

What did he say waka? I am

What did he say waka? I am sure you won't mind posting the "in context" quote here.

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

Welcome to MediaMatters, boys

Welcome to MediaMatters, boys and girls. Take a tour and realize just how "liberal" the media actually is. It would do you some good to expand your horizons, but I won't hold my breath.

"But in presenting the issue of whether Kerry intended to criticize the troops as a he-said/she-said conflict, these outlets omitted the evidence supporting Kerry's account. Indeed, according to his staff, his prepared remarks demonstrate what he meant to say: "Do you know where you end up if you don't study, if you aren't smart, if you're intellectually lazy? You end up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq. Just ask President Bush." Also overlooked is the fact that Kerry's remark came after several one-liners, including one in which he personally accused Bush of "liv[ing] in a state of denial." Furthermore, these outlets ignored entirely the remarks by several prominent Republicans -- such as former Bush campaign chief strategist Matthew Dowd and former House Majority Leaders Dick Armey (R-TX) and Tom DeLay (R-TX) -- conceding that Kerry did not intend to disparage American soldiers. Armey even acknowledged that Republicans were making political hay by "misconstru[ing]" what Kerry said.

Reality has a well known liberal bias.

I didn't ask for commentary

I didn't ask for commentary on what Kerry said I asked for a quote of what Kerry ACTUALLY said: like this:

Jon Carry:

"You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your
homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. And if you don't,
you get stuck in Iraq,"

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

wacky, do you have a crush on George Soros?

wacky,

The cover of Media Matters has been blown clear to Mars. It is nothing more than a front organization for that America-hating bastard (and therefore your personal hero) George Soros.

If you wish to be taken even remotely seriously around here, don't be posting cummunist-inspired, left-wing bullsh*t from that farce of a media "watchdog group," which is really nothing more than an organization formed to promote the ideas of the regressive, freedom-hating anti-American left.

I'm starting to wonder if Wac

I'm starting to wonder if Wacky and a couple others I've seen recently posting are planted operatives, or,at least, solo samuri for the Left.

The tactic I'm seeing used is join a thread and within short course redirect the topic to something they have ready made talking points.  Bonus ego strokes if they can parse things out a bit, like a master baiter, in order to "snare" a few NB's into the "trap". 

Wacky fits the MO:  Topic on Media manipulating one side of the story,  Wacky quickly, on his/her first post redirecting the topic to John Kerry and alledged misdeeds by the Media and the Right and getting NB's to respond to his bait and switch scam. Wacky then rapidly supplies his supportive data along with a non sequitar about black klansmen in case no one bits at his primary target.  Then he throws in a healthy sprinkling of generalizations and ad hominum arguments/remarks.  Then, POOF(ter), he/she is gone in a flash, like a school boy's first dry hump.

From what I've seen, there are plenty of NB's ready and able to take on pretty much anything that comes out of these "Francis the talkin' mule's" mouths.

strat,To your astute analysis

strat,

To your astute analysis, I would add, when they come on here, it's always in droves. Not just one with one comment, but all over the freakin' place. It's like a convenience store getting "swarmed" by a punk gang.

The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.

- Arabian Proverb

Thanks Chris.At the risk of a

Thanks Chris.

At the risk of appearing part of the mutual backslappers society, your Arabian Proverb is one of my personal favorites on the board.  Not always the sharpest tack in the bulletin board, it took me a couple of days to finally pay attention and understand the signifigance.  Nice. 

"Unfortunately today's d

"Unfortunately today's drive-by media is particularly susceptible to GOP talking points..."

Squeeze me?

You mean Kerry, the guy who a

You mean Kerry, the guy who accused our Real American soldiers of war crimes for which he had NO evidence?

The same guy who said he was in Cambodia in 1968 under the orders of Nixon, even though Nixon didn't take office until 1969 and the US wasn't in Cambodia the time Kerry claimed he was there?

Kerry, the hero of the Vietcong?

Good grief, Waka - Telling the truth about someone is not libel...

Ignorance has a well known Liberal bias.

wakka is wacky

BigDave DEMNJ,  Hey Im a DEM, but I have a brain (It gets lonely, trust me). I think Waka is on wacky tabaccky. Kerry was/is a fool, Alo Gore lost fair and square (It was his election to lose, was it not?), and Hil scares the hellary out of me.

Come on now! Fess up.  Is th

Come on now! Fess up.  Is that you , Zell?  lol

"but to edit out what

"but to edit out what a person said in order to deliberately
mischaracterize it and discredit the person, is practically libelous."

To correct your last words it should read ' is absolutely liberal.'

Point well taken.

Point well taken.

Try actually reading some Ann Coulter

Here is the old Straw-man tatic at it's worst, or best if your a liberal.

Ann makes a ton of salient and debatable points in her lectures, books and articles but the media consistnetly only wants to deal with the one thing she says they know they can exploit.

Great line by Ann was in regards to free speech.

She said Liberals appear to be for free speech when they defend traitorous and slanderous anti-american or anti-Christan comments when in fact it is that they agree with those comments. However, what they don't like to hear is called hate speech.

dumb libs

That's a big difference between the right and the unhinged-left. We want the voices of Rosie O'Donnell, Cindy Sheehan, Harry Belafonte, Dick Durbin, Ted Kennedy, Nancy Pelosi, Patty Murray, Cynthia McKinney, etc.  - we want those voices to be heard, clearly and uncensored, as often as possible, because we believe it is self-evident what these people are, and we want it to be known.

Leftists, in sharp contrast, either suppress or else modify the content of right wing speech before airing it. What are they afraid of? Can't leftists allow the American people to draw their own conclusions without their supervising the formation of those conclusions?

Hmmm...liberals and the fairn

Hmmm...liberals and the fairness doctrine.  It doesn't seem very fair to edit out Ann Coulter's zingers.

Ann Coulter is the perfect em

Ann Coulter is the perfect embodiment of what today's GOP stands for. I wish she were on TV all of the time.

ABC did her a favor by leaving out her "zingers" that were complete non-sequiturs and silly, especially her calling juries illiterate.

"You're a trial lawyer!" Ooooh!

Reality has a well known liberal bias.

"Ann Coulter is the pe

"Ann Coulter is the perfect embodiment of what today's GOP stands for..."

And?? Don't keep us guessing waka, what is that the GOP stands for?

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

Ignorance and intolerance tha

Ignorance and intolerance that are past their prime and are wasting away before our very eyes.

Reality has a well known liberal bias.

I am sure you have EXAMPLES

I am sure you have EXAMPLES!!?

Seems like the left are the intolerant ones trying to bring "fairness" to AM radio. They already have the 3 big TV networks, 2 out of 3 cable news networks not to mention PBS and nearly every major "News" paper in the country. Oh, but AM radio is so conservative!!...there must be legislation to fix this imbalance!!

Bunch of frigin cry babies!!

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

You need look no further than

You need look no further than the White House and Capitol Hill. You guys are savaging yourselves over the war and immigration and we're enjoying the show. After so many years in power, the collapse of the GOP was sure to be a spectacle, but you guys have gone way beyond even my wildest expectations. Bravo!

Reality has a well known liberal bias.

Well don't cream your pants

Well don't cream your pants too early (there's medicine for that now) because we are still a long way from the election!

It just maybe that the RINO's will be ousted by the conservative populace and the REAL Republican party may emerge. I can't wait to hear the bitchin and moanin from you punks when you have to deal will real conservatives! Yipee!!

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

I think you've made my point

I think you've made my point exactly, MM. Today's GOP is in such disarray and has done such an inept job of governing that you guys have started talking about how one of these days the "REAL" Republican Party is going to show up.

You know, you guys have successfully proven your point. Government IS the problem. Hahahahahaha!

Reality has a well known liberal bias.

And the Democrats' "so

And the Democrats' "solution"? MORE government!!! Sigh...
JMR

I like your name, waka waka.

I like your name, waka waka.  I think it fits.

I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it.

I agree with you waka.  The

I agree with you waka.  The Democrats needed cover for folding on the war funding issue, and we gave it to them by fighting over THEIR immigration bill.  I just read a newspiece today talking about Republican "framers" of the immigration bill... framers... unbelieveable.

But remember, we saw the same thing happen after Watergate. We were all self-flagilating ourselves and fighting over red-herring issues tossed to us by Democrats, and Jimmy Carter walked into the White House.  But what happened after that four-year disaster?  Eight years of Reagan.  All we need is the right conservative to come along and bring it all back together, and it looks like Fred Thompson is going to do just that.

And the Liberals are above i

And the Liberals are above intolerance in their attacks on religion and anybody going against Algoreism. 

Throw those stones waka, your only breaking your own windows.

Hey WackoWaka, Juries...Would

Hey WackoWaka, Juries...Would you want to be on Trial being judged by 12 people too Dumb to find a way out of being put on Jury Duty ?  

What good is a Free Press, if it is a False Press ?   David Foote  GoE

Actually, Waka has a point. 

Actually, Waka has a point. Coulter is an example of today's GOP. I mean, look what she has done. She has taken a (semi) viable Democrat(ic) candidate and reduced him to a weakling, needing his wife to stand up to him. She has castrated the Breck Girl and gave herself tons of publicity (for the release of her book in paperback) to boot. No such thing as bad publicity, right?

So, Waka is correct. He is just too much of a Liberal to see beyond the surface.

Wait a minute. Wouldn't that mean that Waka Waka is the embodiment of today's Liberal? I mean, today's progressives are so simple-minded that evil geniuses like Karl Rove, Dick Cheney, and, God forbid, Chimpy McHitler-in-a-flightsuit ran circles around poor liberals for the past 7 years, stealing 2 elections and has now allowed the Democrat(ic)s to regain power and achieve the lowest approval ratings EVER in only 6 months. Poor Waka does not understand, does not comprehend, and does not have a viable solution to today's problems and can only bitch like a little girl. Yep, just like Today's Liberal.

Good work, Waka!

It is free speech to call W &

It is free speech to call W "Chimpy McHitler" but you cant call John Edwards a "pansy ass Nancy boy", that is hate speech.

Texas has a population of nearly 21 million people, all of whom are ashamed to be from the same state as the Dixie Chicks. (IMAO.us)

fringe lib

Leftist media did Ann Coulter a favor by modifying her speech.

Your statement reveals more about you and about the extreme-leftist ideology than you could possibly know.

I am just Sooo SHOCKED  !!..

I am just Sooo SHOCKED  !!........There MUST BE some sorta Bias in the Media going on here between MSNBC and Howard Dean and Company.  Then, Alas, there must be a continuation of such afore mentioned Bias when ABC finds Air time to repeat the Hatchet Job, less Retorts from Ann Edwards....uhh...I mean Elizabeth Coulter....Uhhh...you know what I mean.

We need to to REACT to this......Let's do a Call in Campaign.....everyone jump up and Call your Cable provider and ask them if MSNBC and ABC can be BLOCKED, as you don't want your Kids watching those Stations. 

What good is a Free Press, if it is a False Press ?   David Foote  GoE

WAY too much Waka silliness t

WAY too much Waka silliness this morning.

The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.

- Arabian Proverb

Has anyone mentioned that A

Has anyone mentioned that Ann has a new book pending release? hmmm. These liberals make such easy playthings for the venerable Chairman Ann! I like the title: "If Democrats had any brains they would be Republicans". ha!

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

Ah, I love her and her book 

Ah, I love her and her book titles.  My first exposure to Coulter was "How to Talk to a Liberal (If You Must).  My mom and I cracked up and bought two copies on the spot.

If only more people my age would wake up and realize just how damaging their views are to America and Americans... but alas.  That story will have to wait.

I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it.

Edwards: "Which made, wh

Edwards: "Which made, which made fun of the moment of Charlie Dean's death and suggested that my husband had a bumper sticker on the back of his car that said, ‘Ask me about my dead son.'"

Coulter: "That's now three years ago."

Edwards: "This is not legitimate political dialogue. It debases political dialogue. It draws people away from the process. We can't have a debate about issues if you're using this kind of language."

Coulter responding to audience member: "Yeah why isn't John Edwards making this call?"

Matthews: "Well do you want to respond, while I end this conversation?"

Edwards: "I, I haven't talked to John about this call."

Coulter: "This is just another attempt for-"

Edwards: "I am making this call as a mother. I am, I'm the mother of that boy who died. I, my children participate. These young people behind you are the age of my children, particularly, you're asking them to participate in a dialogue that's based on, on hatefulness and ugliness instead of on the issues and I don't, I don't think that's serving them or this country very well."

[applause]

 

What a vile human being Foul-Mouth Annie is.  Mocking a family who lost a son.  How on God’s Green Earth can the people on this site support her?  Those of you who do must be as vile in your hearts as she is.

 

No Regards, Dave High

"Mocking a family who

"Mocking a family who lost a son"

What a gullible fool you are for falling for this Edwards BS. The EDWARDS mock their lost son by staging this clown show for political reasons. You're just dumb Dave High!

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

Time to get out the can of Ra

Time to get out the can of Raid...

The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.

- Arabian Proverb

With an IQ of 135, I certainl

With an IQ of 135, I certainly am not "dumb."  But if your are a Foul-Mouth Annie supporter, we have conclusive proof that you are vile of heart.

Ya'll scare me.  You really do. 

Dave High

135 or 13.5?

me thinks you protest too much

So you don't think this was

So you don't think this was staged by Matthews and the Edwards? And you don't think that Edwards bringing up her dead son was inapropriate? Are you sure about that 135? or was that before your heavy drinking years?

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

What is your purpose in--

What is your purpose in--stating your IQ??? It proves nothing. What was Hitler's IQ?? What is your point other than to prove you are a feckless fool--and egoistic about yoour intelligence. I dated a woman with a 140 IQ. She could not find either cheek in the dark, not an ounce of common sense. A relative???

While driving through Naugatuck, CT, I told her the town was named after the huge nauga population. She asked what naugas were and I told her they were the animals that they made naugahide for furniture. She believed it. So much for high IQs.

Oh no...Dave, I don't care

Oh no...Dave, I don't care for Annie either, but...stating your IQ isn't gonna help anything.

With an IQ of 48, even I know that.

But in "pop culture IQ&q

But in "pop culture IQ", you are just off the charts...

The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.

- Arabian Proverb

If only that were a marketa

If only that were a marketable skill...[sigh]. I should just become a mailman like Cliff Clavin, then sit around a bar spouting obscure facts about "Eight is Enough."

Let's test it. What city was

Let's test it. What city was the series set?

If you answer correctly, don't  become a pompous bore like that other guy here.

The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.

- Arabian Proverb

No idea why I remember this

No idea why I remember this, but it was Sacramento.

Do you remember the pneumonic device they used to remember the order of the kids and their names?

Yikes. You are good at this.

Yikes. You are good at this. Sacramento is right. The only reason I know is that I lived in Sacramento and we used to laugh at how they passed off LA locales as Sacramento - that NoCal vs. SoCal thing. Although, I am opposed to your politics I salute your pop knowledge. And, no, I don't know anything else about the show, except it had to be one of the most saccharine renditions of an American family ever depicted. The Bundys could kick all their butts. :) 

The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.

- Arabian Proverb

The SoCal / NorCal thing is

The SoCal / NorCal thing is very strong! Both sides wouldn't be opposed to splitting the state in half, somewhere aroud San Luis Obispo.

Bundys would be outnumbered, but I believe Bud would find a way to get the victory. Plus, Kelly would distract the Bradford guys.

And we keep our own damn wate

And we keep our own damn water! Bundys would prevail - they fight really, really dirty. Then Al retires to his Ferguson. Whoaaaaaa, Bundy!

The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.

- Arabian Proverb

Multiple choice bal.1) Bagh

Multiple choice bal.

1) Baghdad.

2) Paris

3) Moscow.

4) Boston.

Hope this helps mr 48.

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

None of the above!

None of the above!

Cheers was in Boston! yes i

Cheers was in Boston! yes it was!

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

I thought we were talking a

I thought we were talking about "Eight is Enough."

I've actually been to the bar that Cheers was based on. Very cool building, much smaller, of course, than the TV show's set.

Well it's easy to see how m

Well it's easy to see how misunderstanding occur in this form of expression! :-) We were both right! (I mean "correct", I would never associate you with the right!)

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

135 is not a high IQ, sorry t

135 is not a high IQ, sorry to say.  It is about average.  150 is a mense candidate, I am about 155, my father was 180.  Furthermore, a decent IQ is not a sign of intelligence.  It is only your potential for learning a certain type of material.  In order for you to acheive what the IQ says you can you must be willing to learn and apply yourself.  I am constantly amazed at the things I learn from people of "lesser" IQ.  The key is to not associate lesser IQ with lesser intelligence.  I have done some study on this because it is important to me to understand why and when people with high IQs go wrong.  My daughter is a constant challenge to me and I fear she will choose my father's path, so it is imperative that I learn about this. 

Again, for the record, no o

Again, for the record, no one cares what anyone's IQ supposedly is.

That was kind of my point, IQ

That was kind of my point, IQ does not matter one bit if you are not going to apply that ability.  It is a stupid argument for intelligence.  IQ is a tool, not a gurantee. 

But your IQ is "about

But your IQ is "about 155," in case anyone's interested, which is 5 points above mensa...you know, if anyone wants to know.

Yah, and my fathers was 180 a

Yah, and my fathers was 180 and he was a heroin adict and a theif.  I also never finished college (6 classes to go).  It was for argument's sake.  I do not understand why IQ is so controversial.  People get so angry about it, like they think you are calling them stupid if theirs is not the same as yours or higher.  there are many tests for IQ, many different types of intelligences.  I would guess the prisons are full of geniuses, couches across America are being warmed by them.  Very rarely do you find someones whose IQ matches their acheivments.  Paul Erdos, Einstein.... and then you have some people who far exceed theirs.  It is not a judgment, just a stement, so relax.  I was trying to educate this man about some of the facts regarding IQ since he is trying to use it as a means of discounting people who disagree with them.  Would you prefer to know about my whole academic history so you know I do not consider myself among the brilliant minds of our century?  Maybe you would care to know I rarely got above a C on my physics tests....If I said I was blond, would you be telling me no one cares about the color of poster's hair with the same anger in your typing?  nope, you would discount it.

Sorry, I wasn't trying to b

Sorry, I wasn't trying to be angry, just pointing out that you were saying IQs weren't important, but letting us know how high your IQ was. It was a funny give-and-take.

I have no idea what my IQ is, FWIW. Some days I think it's pretty good, other days I'm surprised I can function at all.

I know what you mean there bo

I know what you mean there boa....

...some days are like that for us all.

Man I hate to agree with Leon but what he just posted is correct about IQ averages, Mensa and all.

I too have had two different tests...although they did vary by about ten percentage points.

It's all in the brain of the beholder and what we do with it individually...on any given day....

LMAO!

Wow....After-all this IQ stuf

Wow....

After-all this IQ stuff and all that jazz....I really feel dumb now.

LOL...

No Offense Amber, but your po

No Offense Amber, but your post is simply wrong.

An IQ 135 is high.  You want to know how many people in the world have an IQ of 135 or above? 

1%.  Doesn't sound average to me.

Average IQ is more like 85 - 115.  Your assessment is entirely wrong.

Mensa you're wrong again.  The requirement is not a specific IQ number, it's a specific percentile (98th percentile or above).  Apparently, you aren't a member (or you'd know this) which is weird b/c why wouldn't you be a member if your IQ is so high.  Can you guess how I knew the requirement?

Why a percentage  you might ask?  Because IQ tests are different.  You may score a 133 on one and a 150 on another.  This is why actual IQ number is meaningless.  It's all in the percentile.  To join Mensa you must score in the top 2% for that particular test.

Now to your father.  You do realize that a 180 is the rank of highest genius.  Do you know some people that fall in this category?

Pascal, Galileo, Descartes, Kant, da Vinci,Curie, Hawking, etc.

I mean, I generally refrain from calling strangers liars, but your utter lack of IQ understanding, your post rife with inaccuracies and your wild claim deemed it necessary.  Now I could be wrong, but somehow I don't think your father falls into the same category as the people I listed above.

You say you've done some study, but I don't think so. 

See Stanford-Binet scale for confirmation on my 135 = top 1% claim.  I accessed it through psych-info which is a pay service.  I'd try googling it if you want to learn more.

It's possible to have an IQ

It's possible to have an IQ (imputed from unnaturally-high SAT scores) that's higher than high-enough to be in Mensa, but to have the Groucho Marx reaction to the situation, even though Mensa has a good monthly magazine.
JMR

They just admitted a two year

They just admitted a two year old British girl into Mensa, proving one can have a high IQ and still be childish...

The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.

- Arabian Proverb

No, I am not a member, but my

No, I am not a member, but my father and uncle were.  My father freelanced for OMNI and oddly enough, the Family Handiman.

When calculating IQ and using numbers, I use Terman.  He took the mental age of a person, divided by their actual age, and then multiplied by 100.  He also believed 140 to be the point of potential genius and stated that only 1/250 had that IQ.  I also corresponded with MENSA for a while about my daughter to see what kind of help there was for me.  They talked about their test (they have their own they prefer to use) and the scores you needed according to their test, who had to administer it.  I did not continue pursuing them because they are not really a support organization and they did not have any useful resources for parents.  I never cared that much to apply myself.

In my research, I focused on behavioral characteristics and the special learning requirments of people with higher IQs.  I did not research all of the tests, although I have read about the one you cite (Stanford-Binet), which was not made for Americans, we created our own tests based on that test. 

I actually considered joini

I actually considered joining, and did a Dave Barry Tropic Search with a few members of the Miami group, but I found them all a bit weird (but intelligent and creative!). As I said, their magazine's usually worth reading.
JMR

Depends on the test amber. 15

Depends on the test amber. 150 on one test may be a 140 on another, and so forth and so on. There are multiple IQ tests out there, all of them a standard of one form or another. But there is NO ONE test to measure ones IQ.

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

I said that in above post. 

I said that in above post. 

Yeah, amber, too bad you forg

Yeah, amber, too bad you forgot to mention that in your first post.

Again, for an IQ expert your original (aka pre-wikipedia) post was laughable in its validity.

I can't think of many things that make my bile rise more than listening to somebody talk about their IQ. So at first I was annoyed with your post, but then upon further reading, I realized that you had no idea what you were talking about. Then it made me laugh. My annoyance subsided. Because it's funny to hear someone declare their intelligence to strangers through a post plagued with mistakes.

I did not forget to mention i

I did not forget to mention it, it was not really relevent.  My point was not the history and means of deducing IQ, it was that IQ is not an excuse to ignore the opinions of others.  I did not feel I could argue that point without saying my last test scores, otherwise dave would have thought I was coming from a point of jelousy.

I did not go to wiki to do a little quick research, you are so cynical.  I went back and looked at some of my notes.  I just so happens that I remembered the formula but could not place the source.  But that is fine, I could care less, you are not the greatest at reading and grasping meaning.   I honestly hope you change and start paying attention to what people say and type instead of placing your own meaining into it and twisting others words.  I will go to the site you suggested, I will always welcome advice and help with research, although I think I have been there before.  Currently I am studying how our brains work, from a learning standpoint, if you want to add anything to that study, I welcome it, but if your goal is only to insult and degrade then don't bother.

 

Amber,You say I have trouble

Amber,

You say I have trouble reading, but it seems to me that the case is more like you have trouble remembering.  For somebody that 'studies' the brain, you don't know much about it.  And don't be surprised when you get heat for posting a self-congratulatory post about your IQ.

Let's take a look at the words YOU wrote, that you are now claiming I twisted to go after you.  Why don't we review your original post?:

1)  135 is not a high IQ, sorry to say.  It is about average  (WRONG! - 135 is the top 1% of the world - on top of that, adding 'sorry to say' is so sickening in its level of pompousness - so SMUG ugh! - especiially when you're dead wrong - AVERAGE? haha)

2)  150 is a mensa candidate (WRONG - 98th percentile is a Mensa candidate)

3)  I have done some study  (WRONG - nobody that's done any study would make the above two claims)

So what exactly did I twist?  I copied and pasted directly from your first post in which you were somehow trying to convince us that you were smart and knew what you were talking about.  Thank God I was here to disavow you of that deranged notion.  All I can tell you is that people who are actually intelligent don't talk about their IQs. 

It's similar to talking about how much money you make.  The only people that talk ab