On Wednesday’s "Good Morning America," co-anchor Chris Cuomo portrayed the previous day’s on-air debate between Elizabeth Edwards and Ann Coulter as a one sided lecture from the ‘08 contender’s wife. The ABC program edited out or didn’t play either of Coulter’s best verbal barbs.
The conservative author’s zinger, that John Edwards’ use of her name to raise money is better "than giving $50,000 speeches to the poor," was bluntly cut out. And although GMA found time to play Mrs. Edwards’ denunciation of the conservative commentator as hateful, the program skipped over a retort by Coulter that described Mr. Edwards’ law practice as "bankrupting doctors by giving a shyster, Las Vegas routine."
In a related note, MSNBC’s "First Read" page now admits that the ambush by a 2008 candidate’s wife was a preplanned event between the network and the John Edwards campaign:
According to an Edwards campaign aide, Elizabeth Edwards wanted to call into the show when she heard that Coulter would be taking questions, and she called a Hardball producer to get the phone number needed to dial into the show.
And now, with MSNBC’s help, the Edwards ‘08 website is using the incident to promote the North Carolina Democrat.
A transcript of the segment, which aired at 7:17am on June 27, follows:
7am tease
Robin Roberts: "The politics of personal attacks erupts over the airwaves as Elizabeth Edwards takes on Ann Coulter, asking her to stop attacking her husband. We’ll hear the on-air debate."
7:17am
ABC Graphic: "Edwards vs. Coulter: Political Battle Over the Airwaves"
Chris Cuomo: "And we'll turn now to the politics of personal attacks. The conservative Ann Coulter, known for throwing verbal punches, last night, she was on the receiving end of a few in a fiery debate with Elizabeth Edwards, wife of presidential contender John Edwards, who challenged Coulter to pull the plug on personal attacks, attacks which flared up on this program. It started right here on GMA on Monday. Ann Coulter defending her earlier comments that many interpreted as a homosexual slur aimed at john Edwards. She says she was joking."
Ann Coulter: "I did not call John Edwards the F-word. I said I couldn’t talk about him because you could go into rehab for using that word. But about the same time, you know, Bill Maher was not joking and saying he wished Dick Cheney had been killed in a terrorist attack. So, I’ve learned my lesson. If I’m going to say anything about John Edwards in the future, I’ll just wish he had been killed in a terrorist assassination plot."
Cuomo: "Then last night, appearing on Chris Matthews’ ‘Hardball,’ an incensed Elizabeth Edwards called in to challenge her."
Elizabeth Edwards: "I want to use the opportunity, which I don't get much because Ann and I don't hang out with the same people, to ask her bluntly to stop the personal attacks."
Coulter: "I don't have enough money. Okay so I made a joke, let's see, six months ago, and as you point out, they've been raising money off of it, for six months, since then."
Matthews: "But this is just yesterday morning, what you said about him."
Coulter: "I didn't say anything about him, actually, either time."
Edwards: "Ann, Ann you know that's not true. And, and once more, this has been going on for some time."
[At this point, GMA cuts this line and picks up the debate a few seconds later: Coulter: "I don't mind you trying to raise money. I mean it's better this than giving $50,000 speeches to the poor-"]
Coulter: "Stop writing your columns. Stop writing your books.'"
Edwards: "You had a column, you wrote a column several years ago-"
Matthews: "Ann, please."
Coulter: "Okay."
Edwards: "Which made, which made fun of the moment of Charlie Dean's death and suggested that my husband had a bumper sticker on the back of his car that said, ‘Ask me about my dead son.'"
Coulter: "That's now three years ago."
Edwards: "This is not legitimate political dialogue. It debases political dialogue. It draws people away from the process. We can't have a debate about issues if you're using this kind of language."
Coulter responding to audience member: "Yeah why isn't John Edwards making this call?"
Edwards: "I am making this call as a mother. I am, I'm the mother of that boy who died. I, my children participate. These young people behind you are the age of my children, particularly, you're asking them to participate in a dialogue that's based on, on hatefulness and ugliness instead of on the issues and I don't, I don't think that's serving them or this country very well."
Cuomo: "And by the way, Coulter said if Mrs. Edwards were [sic] asking her to stop, the answer is no."
Roberts: "The answer is no. She was here, of course, Ann Coulter, earlier this week. Controversy follows her and you experienced that for yourself."
Cuomo: "It is one of the few interviews where I got criticized by Democrats and Republicans. Republicans said she called the President a nincompoop. You should have gone after her. Democrats said, ‘She went after Edwards. You should have gone after her.’"
Roberts: "Both sides."
Cuomo: "A lot of controversy."
—Scott Whitlock is a news analyst for the Media Research Center.




















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No Desire for Truth
June 27, 2007 - 11:20 ET by allanfThese folks have no in a fair and balanced piece. Coulter more than held her own. But the network coverage, probably being coordinated by the Edwards campaign will be slanted to the Matthews/Edwards point of view.
There will be no soul searching about journalistic ethics. After all it is not like Chris Wallace trying to ask an unapproved question of Bill Clinton.
The left and that includes the networks have no interest in "free speech". They are intolerant, arrogant and totalitarian in nature. The left wants a fairness doctrine for "talk radio" but will exempt the "hard journalism" of people like Chris Cuomo and networks such as ABC, CBS, NBC and CNN
If you can't beat the competition, lie about them and shut them down by government.
More whorish behaviour by the
June 27, 2007 - 11:25 ET by drillanwrMore whorish behaviour by the leftist MSM.
MSNBC's got a poll up now.
June 27, 2007 - 11:25 ET by ErgoDyneMSNBC's got a poll up now.
I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it.
One the one hand we have &quo
June 27, 2007 - 11:25 ET by mattmOne the one hand we have "Liberals" (read socialist/fascists) who want to regulate conservative speech with the misnamed "fairness doctrine," and on the other hand, they are engaging in a sneaky attempt to get away with libel.
Expressing an opinion is one thing, even if they try to disguise it as objective news reporting; but to edit out what a person said in order to deliberately mischaracterize it and discredit the person, is practically libelous.
Irony is so ironic.
"Libelous" like the
June 27, 2007 - 11:42 ET by waka waka"Libelous" like the selective editing of Kerry's "stuck in Iraq" gaffe?
And what the heck is a "socialist/fascist," a black Klansman?
Reality has a well known liberal bias.
I don't recall anyone editi
June 27, 2007 - 11:50 ET by AtillaKahunaI don't recall anyone editing what John Kerry said - it was faithfully and completely reported, in his own voice. If HE is the one who "misspoke", then to change what he ACTUALLY said into what he MEANT to say would be dishonest.
The media repeatedly took it
June 27, 2007 - 12:02 ET by waka wakaThe media repeatedly took it out of context. Listen to the full clip and it's obvious what he was saying. Unfortunately today's drive-by media is particularly susceptible to GOP talking points so few people got the real story. Most coverage of the gaffe consisted of self-righteous Republicans demanding Kerry apologize to the troops for something he didn't say.
Reality has a well known liberal bias.
What did he say waka? I am
June 27, 2007 - 12:06 ET by MightyMouthWhat did he say waka? I am sure you won't mind posting the "in context" quote here.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Welcome to MediaMatters, boys
June 27, 2007 - 12:20 ET by waka wakaWelcome to MediaMatters, boys and girls. Take a tour and realize just how "liberal" the media actually is. It would do you some good to expand your horizons, but I won't hold my breath.
"But in presenting the issue of whether Kerry intended to criticize the troops as a he-said/she-said conflict, these outlets omitted the evidence supporting Kerry's account. Indeed, according to his staff, his prepared remarks demonstrate what he meant to say: "Do you know where you end up if you don't study, if you aren't smart, if you're intellectually lazy? You end up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq. Just ask President Bush." Also overlooked is the fact that Kerry's remark came after several one-liners, including one in which he personally accused Bush of "liv[ing] in a state of denial." Furthermore, these outlets ignored entirely the remarks by several prominent Republicans -- such as former Bush campaign chief strategist Matthew Dowd and former House Majority Leaders Dick Armey (R-TX) and Tom DeLay (R-TX) -- conceding that Kerry did not intend to disparage American soldiers. Armey even acknowledged that Republicans were making political hay by "misconstru[ing]" what Kerry said.
Reality has a well known liberal bias.
I didn't ask for commentary
June 27, 2007 - 12:30 ET by MightyMouthI didn't ask for commentary on what Kerry said I asked for a quote of what Kerry ACTUALLY said: like this:
Jon Carry:
"You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your
homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. And if you don't,
you get stuck in Iraq,"
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
wacky, do you have a crush on George Soros?
June 27, 2007 - 12:36 ET by Dave Rwacky,
The cover of Media Matters has been blown clear to Mars. It is nothing more than a front organization for that America-hating bastard (and therefore your personal hero) George Soros.
If you wish to be taken even remotely seriously around here, don't be posting cummunist-inspired, left-wing bullsh*t from that farce of a media "watchdog group," which is really nothing more than an organization formed to promote the ideas of the regressive, freedom-hating anti-American left.
I'm starting to wonder if Wac
June 27, 2007 - 18:53 ET by stratmanI'm starting to wonder if Wacky and a couple others I've seen recently posting are planted operatives, or,at least, solo samuri for the Left.
The tactic I'm seeing used is join a thread and within short course redirect the topic to something they have ready made talking points. Bonus ego strokes if they can parse things out a bit, like a master baiter, in order to "snare" a few NB's into the "trap".
Wacky fits the MO: Topic on Media manipulating one side of the story, Wacky quickly, on his/her first post redirecting the topic to John Kerry and alledged misdeeds by the Media and the Right and getting NB's to respond to his bait and switch scam. Wacky then rapidly supplies his supportive data along with a non sequitar about black klansmen in case no one bits at his primary target. Then he throws in a healthy sprinkling of generalizations and ad hominum arguments/remarks. Then, POOF(ter), he/she is gone in a flash, like a school boy's first dry hump.
From what I've seen, there are plenty of NB's ready and able to take on pretty much anything that comes out of these "Francis the talkin' mule's" mouths.
strat,To your astute analysis
June 27, 2007 - 19:18 ET by Chris Normanstrat,
To your astute analysis, I would add, when they come on here, it's always in droves. Not just one with one comment, but all over the freakin' place. It's like a convenience store getting "swarmed" by a punk gang.
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
- Arabian Proverb
Thanks Chris.At the risk of a
June 27, 2007 - 19:47 ET by stratmanThanks Chris.
At the risk of appearing part of the mutual backslappers society, your Arabian Proverb is one of my personal favorites on the board. Not always the sharpest tack in the bulletin board, it took me a couple of days to finally pay attention and understand the signifigance. Nice.
"Unfortunately today's d
June 27, 2007 - 12:16 ET by Uphill"Unfortunately today's drive-by media is particularly susceptible to GOP talking points..."
Squeeze me?
You mean Kerry, the guy who a
June 27, 2007 - 12:19 ET by mattmYou mean Kerry, the guy who accused our Real American soldiers of war crimes for which he had NO evidence?
The same guy who said he was in Cambodia in 1968 under the orders of Nixon, even though Nixon didn't take office until 1969 and the US wasn't in Cambodia the time Kerry claimed he was there?
Kerry, the hero of the Vietcong?
Good grief, Waka - Telling the truth about someone is not libel...
Ignorance has a well known Liberal bias.
wakka is wacky
June 27, 2007 - 14:32 ET by BigDaveDEMNJBigDave DEMNJ, Hey Im a DEM, but I have a brain (It gets lonely, trust me). I think Waka is on wacky tabaccky. Kerry was/is a fool, Alo Gore lost fair and square (It was his election to lose, was it not?), and Hil scares the hellary out of me.
Come on now! Fess up. Is th
June 27, 2007 - 14:58 ET by drillanwrCome on now! Fess up. Is that you , Zell? lol
"but to edit out what
June 27, 2007 - 11:45 ET by kg"but to edit out what a person said in order to deliberately
mischaracterize it and discredit the person, is practically libelous."
To correct your last words it should read ' is absolutely liberal.'
Point well taken.
June 27, 2007 - 12:20 ET by mattmPoint well taken.
Try actually reading some Ann Coulter
June 27, 2007 - 11:26 ET by exLibHere is the old Straw-man tatic at it's worst, or best if your a liberal.
Ann makes a ton of salient and debatable points in her lectures, books and articles but the media consistnetly only wants to deal with the one thing she says they know they can exploit.
Great line by Ann was in regards to free speech.
She said Liberals appear to be for free speech when they defend traitorous and slanderous anti-american or anti-Christan comments when in fact it is that they agree with those comments. However, what they don't like to hear is called hate speech.
dumb libs
June 27, 2007 - 11:31 ET by bulbasaurThat's a big difference between the right and the unhinged-left. We want the voices of Rosie O'Donnell, Cindy Sheehan, Harry Belafonte, Dick Durbin, Ted Kennedy, Nancy Pelosi, Patty Murray, Cynthia McKinney, etc. - we want those voices to be heard, clearly and uncensored, as often as possible, because we believe it is self-evident what these people are, and we want it to be known.
Leftists, in sharp contrast, either suppress or else modify the content of right wing speech before airing it. What are they afraid of? Can't leftists allow the American people to draw their own conclusions without their supervising the formation of those conclusions?
Hmmm...liberals and the fairn
June 27, 2007 - 11:37 ET by LilyPearlHmmm...liberals and the fairness doctrine. It doesn't seem very fair to edit out Ann Coulter's zingers.
Ann Coulter is the perfect em
June 27, 2007 - 11:39 ET by waka wakaAnn Coulter is the perfect embodiment of what today's GOP stands for. I wish she were on TV all of the time.
ABC did her a favor by leaving out her "zingers" that were complete non-sequiturs and silly, especially her calling juries illiterate.
"You're a trial lawyer!" Ooooh!
Reality has a well known liberal bias.
"Ann Coulter is the pe
June 27, 2007 - 11:52 ET by MightyMouth"Ann Coulter is the perfect embodiment of what today's GOP stands for..."
And?? Don't keep us guessing waka, what is that the GOP stands for?
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Ignorance and intolerance tha
June 27, 2007 - 11:56 ET by waka wakaIgnorance and intolerance that are past their prime and are wasting away before our very eyes.
Reality has a well known liberal bias.
I am sure you have EXAMPLES
June 27, 2007 - 12:01 ET by MightyMouthI am sure you have EXAMPLES!!?
Seems like the left are the intolerant ones trying to bring "fairness" to AM radio. They already have the 3 big TV networks, 2 out of 3 cable news networks not to mention PBS and nearly every major "News" paper in the country. Oh, but AM radio is so conservative!!...there must be legislation to fix this imbalance!!
Bunch of frigin cry babies!!
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
You need look no further than
June 27, 2007 - 12:10 ET by waka wakaYou need look no further than the White House and Capitol Hill. You guys are savaging yourselves over the war and immigration and we're enjoying the show. After so many years in power, the collapse of the GOP was sure to be a spectacle, but you guys have gone way beyond even my wildest expectations. Bravo!
Reality has a well known liberal bias.
Well don't cream your pants
June 27, 2007 - 12:17 ET by MightyMouthWell don't cream your pants too early (there's medicine for that now) because we are still a long way from the election!
It just maybe that the RINO's will be ousted by the conservative populace and the REAL Republican party may emerge. I can't wait to hear the bitchin and moanin from you punks when you have to deal will real conservatives! Yipee!!
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I think you've made my point
June 27, 2007 - 12:25 ET by waka wakaI think you've made my point exactly, MM. Today's GOP is in such disarray and has done such an inept job of governing that you guys have started talking about how one of these days the "REAL" Republican Party is going to show up.
You know, you guys have successfully proven your point. Government IS the problem. Hahahahahaha!
Reality has a well known liberal bias.
And the Democrats' "so
June 27, 2007 - 12:33 ET by sarcasmoAnd the Democrats' "solution"? MORE government!!! Sigh...
JMR
I like your name, waka waka.
June 27, 2007 - 12:18 ET by ErgoDyneI like your name, waka waka. I think it fits.
I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it.
I agree with you waka. The
June 27, 2007 - 12:34 ET by BruzillaI agree with you waka. The Democrats needed cover for folding on the war funding issue, and we gave it to them by fighting over THEIR immigration bill. I just read a newspiece today talking about Republican "framers" of the immigration bill... framers... unbelieveable.
But remember, we saw the same thing happen after Watergate. We were all self-flagilating ourselves and fighting over red-herring issues tossed to us by Democrats, and Jimmy Carter walked into the White House. But what happened after that four-year disaster? Eight years of Reagan. All we need is the right conservative to come along and bring it all back together, and it looks like Fred Thompson is going to do just that.
And the Liberals are above i
June 27, 2007 - 15:06 ET by Airforce_5_OAnd the Liberals are above intolerance in their attacks on religion and anybody going against Algoreism.
Throw those stones waka, your only breaking your own windows.
Hey WackoWaka, Juries...Would
June 27, 2007 - 12:34 ET by JayTeeHey WackoWaka, Juries...Would you want to be on Trial being judged by 12 people too Dumb to find a way out of being put on Jury Duty ?
What good is a Free Press, if it is a False Press ? David Foote GoE
Actually, Waka has a point.
June 27, 2007 - 12:43 ET by Roger the ShrubberActually, Waka has a point. Coulter is an example of today's GOP. I mean, look what she has done. She has taken a (semi) viable Democrat(ic) candidate and reduced him to a weakling, needing his wife to stand up to him. She has castrated the Breck Girl and gave herself tons of publicity (for the release of her book in paperback) to boot. No such thing as bad publicity, right?
So, Waka is correct. He is just too much of a Liberal to see beyond the surface.
Wait a minute. Wouldn't that mean that Waka Waka is the embodiment of today's Liberal? I mean, today's progressives are so simple-minded that evil geniuses like Karl Rove, Dick Cheney, and, God forbid, Chimpy McHitler-in-a-flightsuit ran circles around poor liberals for the past 7 years, stealing 2 elections and has now allowed the Democrat(ic)s to regain power and achieve the lowest approval ratings EVER in only 6 months. Poor Waka does not understand, does not comprehend, and does not have a viable solution to today's problems and can only bitch like a little girl. Yep, just like Today's Liberal.
Good work, Waka!
It is free speech to call W &
June 27, 2007 - 16:05 ET by sunandsteelIt is free speech to call W "Chimpy McHitler" but you cant call John Edwards a "pansy ass Nancy boy", that is hate speech.
Texas has a population of nearly 21 million people, all of whom are ashamed to be from the same state as the Dixie Chicks. (IMAO.us)
fringe lib
June 27, 2007 - 13:04 ET by bulbasaurLeftist media did Ann Coulter a favor by modifying her speech.
Your statement reveals more about you and about the extreme-leftist ideology than you could possibly know.
I am just Sooo SHOCKED !!..
June 27, 2007 - 12:30 ET by JayTeeI am just Sooo SHOCKED !!........There MUST BE some sorta Bias in the Media going on here between MSNBC and Howard Dean and Company. Then, Alas, there must be a continuation of such afore mentioned Bias when ABC finds Air time to repeat the Hatchet Job, less Retorts from Ann Edwards....uhh...I mean Elizabeth Coulter....Uhhh...you know what I mean.
We need to to REACT to this......Let's do a Call in Campaign.....everyone jump up and Call your Cable provider and ask them if MSNBC and ABC can be BLOCKED, as you don't want your Kids watching those Stations.
What good is a Free Press, if it is a False Press ? David Foote GoE
WAY too much Waka silliness t
June 27, 2007 - 12:59 ET by Chris NormanWAY too much Waka silliness this morning.
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
- Arabian Proverb
Has anyone mentioned that A
June 27, 2007 - 13:09 ET by MightyMouthHas anyone mentioned that Ann has a new book pending release? hmmm. These liberals make such easy playthings for the venerable Chairman Ann! I like the title: "If Democrats had any brains they would be Republicans". ha!
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Ah, I love her and her book
June 27, 2007 - 13:34 ET by ErgoDyneAh, I love her and her book titles. My first exposure to Coulter was "How to Talk to a Liberal (If You Must). My mom and I cracked up and bought two copies on the spot.
If only more people my age would wake up and realize just how damaging their views are to America and Americans... but alas. That story will have to wait.
I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it.
Edwards: "Which made, wh
June 27, 2007 - 13:15 ET by Dave HighEdwards: "Which made, which made fun of the moment of Charlie Dean's death and suggested that my husband had a bumper sticker on the back of his car that said, ‘Ask me about my dead son.'"
Coulter: "That's now three years ago."
Edwards: "This is not legitimate political dialogue. It debases political dialogue. It draws people away from the process. We can't have a debate about issues if you're using this kind of language."
Coulter responding to audience member: "Yeah why isn't John Edwards making this call?"
Matthews: "Well do you want to respond, while I end this conversation?"
Edwards: "I, I haven't talked to John about this call."
Coulter: "This is just another attempt for-"
Edwards: "I am making this call as a mother. I am, I'm the mother of that boy who died. I, my children participate. These young people behind you are the age of my children, particularly, you're asking them to participate in a dialogue that's based on, on hatefulness and ugliness instead of on the issues and I don't, I don't think that's serving them or this country very well."
[applause]
What a vile human being Foul-Mouth Annie is. Mocking a family who lost a son. How on God’s Green Earth can the people on this site support her? Those of you who do must be as vile in your hearts as she is.
No Regards, Dave High
"Mocking a family who
June 27, 2007 - 13:31 ET by MightyMouth"Mocking a family who lost a son"
What a gullible fool you are for falling for this Edwards BS. The EDWARDS mock their lost son by staging this clown show for political reasons. You're just dumb Dave High!
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Time to get out the can of Ra
June 27, 2007 - 13:35 ET by Chris NormanTime to get out the can of Raid...
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
- Arabian Proverb
With an IQ of 135, I certainl
June 27, 2007 - 13:39 ET by Dave HighWith an IQ of 135, I certainly am not "dumb." But if your are a Foul-Mouth Annie supporter, we have conclusive proof that you are vile of heart.
Ya'll scare me. You really do.
Dave High
135 or 13.5?
June 27, 2007 - 13:43 ET by florida_chadme thinks you protest too much
So you don't think this was
June 27, 2007 - 13:46 ET by MightyMouthSo you don't think this was staged by Matthews and the Edwards? And you don't think that Edwards bringing up her dead son was inapropriate? Are you sure about that 135? or was that before your heavy drinking years?
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
What is your purpose in--
June 27, 2007 - 13:48 ET by misterbillWhat is your purpose in--stating your IQ??? It proves nothing. What was Hitler's IQ?? What is your point other than to prove you are a feckless fool--and egoistic about yoour intelligence. I dated a woman with a 140 IQ. She could not find either cheek in the dark, not an ounce of common sense. A relative???
While driving through Naugatuck, CT, I told her the town was named after the huge nauga population. She asked what naugas were and I told her they were the animals that they made naugahide for furniture. She believed it. So much for high IQs.
Oh no...Dave, I don't care
June 27, 2007 - 13:54 ET by balboaOh no...Dave, I don't care for Annie either, but...stating your IQ isn't gonna help anything.
With an IQ of 48, even I know that.
But in "pop culture IQ&q
June 27, 2007 - 14:00 ET by Chris NormanBut in "pop culture IQ", you are just off the charts...
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
- Arabian Proverb
If only that were a marketa
June 27, 2007 - 14:05 ET by balboaIf only that were a marketable skill...[sigh]. I should just become a mailman like Cliff Clavin, then sit around a bar spouting obscure facts about "Eight is Enough."
Let's test it. What city was
June 27, 2007 - 14:29 ET by Chris NormanLet's test it. What city was the series set?
If you answer correctly, don't become a pompous bore like that other guy here.
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
- Arabian Proverb
No idea why I remember this
June 27, 2007 - 14:33 ET by balboaNo idea why I remember this, but it was Sacramento.
Do you remember the pneumonic device they used to remember the order of the kids and their names?
Yikes. You are good at this.
June 27, 2007 - 14:46 ET by Chris NormanYikes. You are good at this. Sacramento is right. The only reason I know is that I lived in Sacramento and we used to laugh at how they passed off LA locales as Sacramento - that NoCal vs. SoCal thing. Although, I am opposed to your politics I salute your pop knowledge. And, no, I don't know anything else about the show, except it had to be one of the most saccharine renditions of an American family ever depicted. The Bundys could kick all their butts. :)
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
- Arabian Proverb
The SoCal / NorCal thing is
June 27, 2007 - 15:01 ET by balboaThe SoCal / NorCal thing is very strong! Both sides wouldn't be opposed to splitting the state in half, somewhere aroud San Luis Obispo.
Bundys would be outnumbered, but I believe Bud would find a way to get the victory. Plus, Kelly would distract the Bradford guys.
And we keep our own damn wate
June 27, 2007 - 15:40 ET by Chris NormanAnd we keep our own damn water! Bundys would prevail - they fight really, really dirty. Then Al retires to his Ferguson. Whoaaaaaa, Bundy!
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
- Arabian Proverb
Multiple choice bal.1) Bagh
June 27, 2007 - 14:35 ET by MightyMouthMultiple choice bal.
1) Baghdad.
2) Paris
3) Moscow.
4) Boston.
Hope this helps mr 48.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
None of the above!
June 27, 2007 - 14:39 ET by balboaNone of the above!
Cheers was in Boston! yes i
June 27, 2007 - 14:40 ET by MightyMouthCheers was in Boston! yes it was!
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I thought we were talking a
June 27, 2007 - 14:44 ET by balboaI thought we were talking about "Eight is Enough."
I've actually been to the bar that Cheers was based on. Very cool building, much smaller, of course, than the TV show's set.
Well it's easy to see how m
June 27, 2007 - 14:51 ET by MightyMouthWell it's easy to see how misunderstanding occur in this form of expression! :-) We were both right! (I mean "correct", I would never associate you with the right!)
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
135 is not a high IQ, sorry t
June 27, 2007 - 14:12 ET by amber135 is not a high IQ, sorry to say. It is about average. 150 is a mense candidate, I am about 155, my father was 180. Furthermore, a decent IQ is not a sign of intelligence. It is only your potential for learning a certain type of material. In order for you to acheive what the IQ says you can you must be willing to learn and apply yourself. I am constantly amazed at the things I learn from people of "lesser" IQ. The key is to not associate lesser IQ with lesser intelligence. I have done some study on this because it is important to me to understand why and when people with high IQs go wrong. My daughter is a constant challenge to me and I fear she will choose my father's path, so it is imperative that I learn about this.
Again, for the record, no o
June 27, 2007 - 14:13 ET by balboaAgain, for the record, no one cares what anyone's IQ supposedly is.
That was kind of my point, IQ
June 27, 2007 - 14:18 ET by amberThat was kind of my point, IQ does not matter one bit if you are not going to apply that ability. It is a stupid argument for intelligence. IQ is a tool, not a gurantee.
But your IQ is "about
June 27, 2007 - 14:20 ET by balboaBut your IQ is "about 155," in case anyone's interested, which is 5 points above mensa...you know, if anyone wants to know.
Yah, and my fathers was 180 a
June 27, 2007 - 14:32 ET by amberYah, and my fathers was 180 and he was a heroin adict and a theif. I also never finished college (6 classes to go). It was for argument's sake. I do not understand why IQ is so controversial. People get so angry about it, like they think you are calling them stupid if theirs is not the same as yours or higher. there are many tests for IQ, many different types of intelligences. I would guess the prisons are full of geniuses, couches across America are being warmed by them. Very rarely do you find someones whose IQ matches their acheivments. Paul Erdos, Einstein.... and then you have some people who far exceed theirs. It is not a judgment, just a stement, so relax. I was trying to educate this man about some of the facts regarding IQ since he is trying to use it as a means of discounting people who disagree with them. Would you prefer to know about my whole academic history so you know I do not consider myself among the brilliant minds of our century? Maybe you would care to know I rarely got above a C on my physics tests....If I said I was blond, would you be telling me no one cares about the color of poster's hair with the same anger in your typing? nope, you would discount it.
Sorry, I wasn't trying to b
June 27, 2007 - 14:38 ET by balboaSorry, I wasn't trying to be angry, just pointing out that you were saying IQs weren't important, but letting us know how high your IQ was. It was a funny give-and-take.
I have no idea what my IQ is, FWIW. Some days I think it's pretty good, other days I'm surprised I can function at all.
I know what you mean there bo
June 27, 2007 - 14:55 ET by bigtimerI know what you mean there boa....
...some days are like that for us all.
Man I hate to agree with Leon but what he just posted is correct about IQ averages, Mensa and all.
I too have had two different tests...although they did vary by about ten percentage points.
It's all in the brain of the beholder and what we do with it individually...on any given day....
LMAO!
Wow....After-all this IQ stuf
June 27, 2007 - 14:16 ET by bigtimerWow....
After-all this IQ stuff and all that jazz....I really feel dumb now.
LOL...
No Offense Amber, but your po
June 27, 2007 - 14:47 ET by LeonNo Offense Amber, but your post is simply wrong.
An IQ 135 is high. You want to know how many people in the world have an IQ of 135 or above?
1%. Doesn't sound average to me.
Average IQ is more like 85 - 115. Your assessment is entirely wrong.
Mensa you're wrong again. The requirement is not a specific IQ number, it's a specific percentile (98th percentile or above). Apparently, you aren't a member (or you'd know this) which is weird b/c why wouldn't you be a member if your IQ is so high. Can you guess how I knew the requirement?
Why a percentage you might ask? Because IQ tests are different. You may score a 133 on one and a 150 on another. This is why actual IQ number is meaningless. It's all in the percentile. To join Mensa you must score in the top 2% for that particular test.
Now to your father. You do realize that a 180 is the rank of highest genius. Do you know some people that fall in this category?
Pascal, Galileo, Descartes, Kant, da Vinci,Curie, Hawking, etc.
I mean, I generally refrain from calling strangers liars, but your utter lack of IQ understanding, your post rife with inaccuracies and your wild claim deemed it necessary. Now I could be wrong, but somehow I don't think your father falls into the same category as the people I listed above.
You say you've done some study, but I don't think so.
See Stanford-Binet scale for confirmation on my 135 = top 1% claim. I accessed it through psych-info which is a pay service. I'd try googling it if you want to learn more.
It's possible to have an IQ
June 27, 2007 - 14:51 ET by sarcasmoIt's possible to have an IQ (imputed from unnaturally-high SAT scores) that's higher than high-enough to be in Mensa, but to have the Groucho Marx reaction to the situation, even though Mensa has a good monthly magazine.
JMR
They just admitted a two year
June 27, 2007 - 15:43 ET by Chris NormanThey just admitted a two year old British girl into Mensa, proving one can have a high IQ and still be childish...
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
- Arabian Proverb
No, I am not a member, but my
June 27, 2007 - 15:57 ET by amberNo, I am not a member, but my father and uncle were. My father freelanced for OMNI and oddly enough, the Family Handiman.
When calculating IQ and using numbers, I use Terman. He took the mental age of a person, divided by their actual age, and then multiplied by 100. He also believed 140 to be the point of potential genius and stated that only 1/250 had that IQ. I also corresponded with MENSA for a while about my daughter to see what kind of help there was for me. They talked about their test (they have their own they prefer to use) and the scores you needed according to their test, who had to administer it. I did not continue pursuing them because they are not really a support organization and they did not have any useful resources for parents. I never cared that much to apply myself.
In my research, I focused on behavioral characteristics and the special learning requirments of people with higher IQs. I did not research all of the tests, although I have read about the one you cite (Stanford-Binet), which was not made for Americans, we created our own tests based on that test.
I actually considered joini
June 27, 2007 - 16:04 ET by sarcasmoI actually considered joining, and did a Dave Barry Tropic Search with a few members of the Miami group, but I found them all a bit weird (but intelligent and creative!). As I said, their magazine's usually worth reading.
JMR
Depends on the test amber. 15
June 27, 2007 - 15:48 ET by bassndudeDepends on the test amber. 150 on one test may be a 140 on another, and so forth and so on. There are multiple IQ tests out there, all of them a standard of one form or another. But there is NO ONE test to measure ones IQ.
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I said that in above post.
June 27, 2007 - 15:58 ET by amberI said that in above post.
Yeah, amber, too bad you forg
June 27, 2007 - 17:52 ET by LeonYeah, amber, too bad you forgot to mention that in your first post.
Again, for an IQ expert your original (aka pre-wikipedia) post was laughable in its validity.
I can't think of many things that make my bile rise more than listening to somebody talk about their IQ. So at first I was annoyed with your post, but then upon further reading, I realized that you had no idea what you were talking about. Then it made me laugh. My annoyance subsided. Because it's funny to hear someone declare their intelligence to strangers through a post plagued with mistakes.
I did not forget to mention i
June 27, 2007 - 23:05 ET by amberI did not forget to mention it, it was not really relevent. My point was not the history and means of deducing IQ, it was that IQ is not an excuse to ignore the opinions of others. I did not feel I could argue that point without saying my last test scores, otherwise dave would have thought I was coming from a point of jelousy.
I did not go to wiki to do a little quick research, you are so cynical. I went back and looked at some of my notes. I just so happens that I remembered the formula but could not place the source. But that is fine, I could care less, you are not the greatest at reading and grasping meaning. I honestly hope you change and start paying attention to what people say and type instead of placing your own meaining into it and twisting others words. I will go to the site you suggested, I will always welcome advice and help with research, although I think I have been there before. Currently I am studying how our brains work, from a learning standpoint, if you want to add anything to that study, I welcome it, but if your goal is only to insult and degrade then don't bother.
Amber,You say I have trouble
June 28, 2007 - 07:39 ET by LeonAmber,
You say I have trouble reading, but it seems to me that the case is more like you have trouble remembering. For somebody that 'studies' the brain, you don't know much about it. And don't be surprised when you get heat for posting a self-congratulatory post about your IQ.
Let's take a look at the words YOU wrote, that you are now claiming I twisted to go after you. Why don't we review your original post?:
1) 135 is not a high IQ, sorry to say. It is about average (WRONG! - 135 is the top 1% of the world - on top of that, adding 'sorry to say' is so sickening in its level of pompousness - so SMUG ugh! - especiially when you're dead wrong - AVERAGE? haha)
2) 150 is a mensa candidate (WRONG - 98th percentile is a Mensa candidate)
3) I have done some study (WRONG - nobody that's done any study would make the above two claims)
So what exactly did I twist? I copied and pasted directly from your first post in which you were somehow trying to convince us that you were smart and knew what you were talking about. Thank God I was here to disavow you of that deranged notion. All I can tell you is that people who are actually intelligent don't talk about their IQs.
It's similar to talking about how much money you make. The only people that talk about how much money they make are the ones that don't have any.
In closing, you don't have a 155 IQ and here's how I know. You thought 135 was average right? Well the real average is more like 95. So if you're 20 points above the average, then you're more like a 115 IQ. Hey, don't be sad. That's very respectable. Not everyone can be a genius.
We all know what Judge Smails used to say!
Look, in 2001 Mensa switched
June 28, 2007 - 11:38 ET by amberLook, in 2001 Mensa switched from a numeric score to just a pass fail, based on being in the top 2%. When I spoke with them they told me that a 150 on their test was what qualified you to be in their organization. However, as I said, you are not reading anything I have typed, because if you had, you would see that I said that the whole purpose of my response was to let Dave know that IQ is not a reason to shut your ears when others speak. I do not agree with the scores of the tests in many cases. It was never intended to be a means of determining superior intelligence. As for me, I happen to test well and I recognize that that does not translate into me being all knowing. I am done with this argument however. It has gotten way off track of the real purpose of it.
dave high
June 27, 2007 - 13:41 ET by misterbillThe whole thing was very sneakily staged by Matthews. The Edwards are political whores and will use the death of anyone to further their desires. They appeal to witless fools like you. I am not an apologist for Ann coulter, but she did not call Edwards a faggot, she mocked the PC process in America. Also her rejoinder about death was the same. When fools like you are involved, people like the Edwards use you. I bet John Edwards would love to have a simpleton like you in his juries as he screws the medical profession.
Ya, almost as bad as support
June 27, 2007 - 13:42 ET by jpatchYa, almost as bad as supporting people like Bill Maher, who not only celebrate the death of people like Jerry Fallwell, but that also wish death upon people like Dick Cheney.
Sorry Dave, but you're just illustrating the left's intolerance once again. Ann Coulter is her own person, and in no way do I condone all of her remarks, but she dishes out about 1/10 as much vile speech as the leftist puppets do on a daily basis. It's just that demosociofacicommunists think that they can just dish out lies, hatred and intolerance all day, but when someone plays the same game, they are vile and are a perfect representation of the GOP. If that were the case, then the liberals are defined by:
Bill Maher, Rosie O'Donnell, Al Franken, Jon Stewart, Jeanine Garafalo..etc. etc.
Tell me how ironic this is: The most influential and outspoken liberals are all comedians, and the ones who are in power are all morons!!! What a party!!!!
None of the liberals you ment
June 27, 2007 - 13:52 ET by Dave HighNone of the liberals you mentioned are as consistently vile as Foul-Mouth Annie. She makes a living by spouting political obscenity. Her “zingers” and “one-liners” as they are often referred to are as base as any speech I have ever heard. Your need to point out offenders on the other side proves my point. If you love her so much, why can’t you defend her hate speech without trying to switch the subject and blame “liberals” for her vile behavior? Why not just acknowledge the she debases political dialogue and you don’t support her? Why defend the indefensible? It’s like sticking up for Bush’s war in Iraq, but I digress.
Regards, Dave High
for someone with such a high IQ--
June 27, 2007 - 14:03 ET by misterbillfor someone with such a high IQ--you show a complete lack of understanding of the mindset and attitude of other people. First , IQ testing shows one's ability to reason and calculate with fixed objects and numbers. It in no way shows the emotional reactions of the test taker. People say that it tests your cognitive reasoning which includes judgment and reasoning but it , again, applies nothing as to the emotional impact of the person taking the test. That said, you appear, for someone with a supposedly high IQ to fail to undertand that people of high intelligence and of quick wit, very often become impatient with the maundering of lesser wits and , most often, retort with sarcasm and irony. I do not know why I am explaining this to someone with a 135 IQ! I am getting impatient with you and am starting to respond with sarcasm. Hmmmmm!
Lastly, the IQ does not provide a truly accurate rendering of the speed of the test taker's mind. It is a rough measure and applied somewhat like the computer models for GW. There is SOME estimate provided but not accurately.
Ms. Coulter happens to be an extremely fast draw in the speed category. I would put her up there with Bill Bucjkley. Edwards(either) and Matthews are not a match for her.
limp lefty
June 27, 2007 - 14:08 ET by bulbasaur"She makes a living by spouting political obscenity." Putting Ann Coulter in the same category as Larry Flynt (D). Come on now, you might hate her, but don't go comparing her to a member of the democrat party. Nobody deserves that.
bulb....Roaring with laughter
June 27, 2007 - 14:11 ET by bigtimerbulb....
Roaring with laughter...that was good.
"None of the liberals yo
June 27, 2007 - 14:19 ET by jpatch"None of the liberals you mentioned are as consistently vile as Foul-Mouth Annie."
Um, is this a joke?
"Your need to point out offenders on the other side proves my point."
Actually, the point proven is that all day, every day, there are people on "GMA", the "Today Show", "The View", "Real Time", "Air America", "The Daily Show", MSNBC, CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC that either spew vile hatred toward President Bush and conservatives, or that flat-out lie in order to advance their beliefs. The minute that someone from the right starts fighting fire with fire, people like you come out to attack. The fact is, I said that I do not condone all of her words, and that she is her own woman...but before you start with your, "she debases political dialogue", why don't you look at the people repping your party, because they are the most vile, intolerant and hate-filled people on this planet, save the ones that they are trying to help: the terrorists.
Okay, here’s a challenge fo
June 27, 2007 - 14:43 ET by Dave HighOkay, here’s a challenge for ya’ll. I have made the statement that none of the liberals mentioned in jpatch’s post are as "consistently vile as Foul-Mouth Annie.” Let’s pick one, shall we? Can any of you come up with a verifiable Al Franken quote that is anywhere near as vile as Foul-Mouth’s statement about John Edwards having a bumper sticker on his car that reads, “Ask Me About My Dead Son”? I am pretty familiar with Al Franken’s work and I bet not one of you can come up with anything nearly as disgusting as what Foul-Mouth Annie says with consistency. Hint: “Rush Limbaugh is a Big Fat Idiot” doesn’t count not only because it is true, but because it is not nearly as vile as mocking a family’s dead son.
Regards, Dave High
Time's a tickin! Maybe if I
June 27, 2007 - 14:49 ET by Dave HighTime's a tickin! Maybe if I go mow the lawn and come back, one of you will have found a single, vile Al Franken quote. Naaawww!
Regards, Dave High
Truth to a conservative is like salt to a snail.
Calling our brave soldiers
June 27, 2007 - 14:55 ET by MightyMouthCalling our brave soldiers "terrorists" is vile enough Dave.
Stop with the silly "your pundit is more vile then my pundit" crap.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
MM,I don't remember that. I
June 27, 2007 - 14:57 ET by LeonMM,
I don't remember that. Is there anyway you could refresh our memory with some context?
It was Rosie, and has been
June 27, 2007 - 15:00 ET by MightyMouthIt was Rosie, and has been covered here before, but please don't make research a Rosie thread.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Ok MM,Just checking because I
June 27, 2007 - 15:17 ET by LeonOk MM,
Just checking because I'm pretty sure Dave was talking about Franken specifically.
Furthermore, Rosie is not a liberal. Nobody supports her. She's an independent wacko.
Yeah Leon, I know what Dave
June 27, 2007 - 15:25 ET by MightyMouthYeah Leon, I know what Dave was talking about. I have already posted a Frankin example further down the thread.
And if Rosie is not a liberal, I am sure I would not find Leon straining to make a Rosie point in any of the (far too many) Rosie threads on NB? Right?
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
MM:Al Franken must be pretty
June 27, 2007 - 15:13 ET by Dave HighMM:
Al Franken must be pretty stupid, then. He has been doing USO tours for about six or seven years in a row now in places like Iraq and Afganistan. Do you really think he has intentionally surrounded himself with terrorists for weeks on end for six years? Golly! I guess that flattens your point like a pancake.
Let’s try a pop quiz. How many USO tours have Sean Hannity, Foul-Mouth Annie, Rush Limbaugh, Billo, and Glenn Beck done collectively over the years? If you guessed the big goose egg, give yourself a High Five!
Regards, Dave High
Truth to a conservative is like salt to a snail.
And wolves dont surround them
June 27, 2007 - 15:18 ET by bassndudeAnd wolves dont surround themselves with sheep before they strike? And just how many times has Franken done a USO show in Iraq and/or Afgan? Think before you answer, this might be a trick question that I already know the answer to.
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Sorry Bass, I had to look it
June 27, 2007 - 15:33 ET by Dave HighSorry Bass, I had to look it up. http://www.blackanthem.com/News/International_21/Al_Franken_delivers_message_and_entertainment_for_deployed_troops2802.shtml
Al has done a total of seven USO tours in seven years. The last two years I know he was in Iraq. The rest I am not sure about.
Regarding the number seven, that would be seven times more USO tours than all conservative talkers combined.
Regards, Dave High
“I am inspired when I see our troops. Many of them are my kids’ age and to know what they are doing for our country really affects me,” - Al Franken
Truth to a conservative is like salt to a snail.
Oh please! Laura Ingraham
June 27, 2007 - 15:38 ET by JerryOh please! Laura Ingraham has spent multiple WEEKS in Iraq. Not in some protected USO environment, but with the TROOPS as they patrolled.
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
Rush went to Iraq and Afghana
June 27, 2007 - 15:44 ET by bassndudeRush went to Iraq and Afghanastan, on his own dime, to entertain the troops. USO dident pay for his trip and he was there for a month. Hannity has gone several times, and raises money for the kids that have lost a parent. These people dont ask the USO to pay for their trip, they do it with their own money. Ann has gone. So your wrong again on that point. The fact that Al has gone at all is something, but I would bet you money he will use that on his political stage as he runs for office comming up.
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Funny thing, Bass. I Google
June 27, 2007 - 16:00 ET by Dave HighFunny thing, Bass. I Googled “Rush Limbaugh travels to Iraq Afghanistan” and nothing came up. I am surprised the blowhard didn’t get any press at all out of his "entertaining the troops on his own nickel story." Not even on his own website! Unless of course you just made this crap up. Naaawwww. Not you! As Reagan said, "Trust and verify." Your turn to verify. Your own statement that is! Perhaps the month Limbaugh went missing is the month he spent in pill poppers' rehab. Perhaps you got the heroism/pill popper thing a little confused.
Regards, Dave High
Truth to a conservative is like salt to a snail.
Funny thing? Rush did his sho
June 27, 2007 - 16:11 ET by bassndudeFunny thing? Rush did his show on call ins to the guest hosts for a month. LIke I said. It was on his own dime. His final call in report was in Feb of 05. If google isint finding it, perhaps it is for the same reason that they dont recognize VE or VJ days, or the normandy landings or fathers day. Naaaawwww....that couldent be. Could it be that google is not the know all end all search engine it was before caving to china? Maybe there is a search engine you can use. One for the simple minded? Get out and get educated.
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Bass:Funny thing. Your arti
June 27, 2007 - 16:24 ET by Dave HighBass:
Funny thing. Your article mentions a two-day stay in Afghanistan, but no mention of Iraq. It also mentions that Rush was part of "a program associated with the US Agency for International Development," although it doesn't mention he was paying for it on his own nickel. It sounds like a government-financed propaganda mission to me. Hey, but whatever floats your bass boat. Gotta’ go now!
Regards, Dave High
Well, I cant help you then da
June 27, 2007 - 16:38 ET by bassndudeWell, I cant help you then dave. I know that was the last report, the last time he called in. He was over seas for a full month, counting travel time. The MSM dident cover it, of course, Rush isint out for publicity like some we know with political asperations. Glad your leaving now, you really bore me to tears sometimes, with your helplessness.
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Dave,I'm looking forward to t
June 27, 2007 - 15:19 ET by LeonDave,
I'm looking forward to the day that Franken becomes a full-fledged United States Senator.
He's done a great job with the troops and anyone that challenges that has no idea what they are talking about.
What a load of BS! 4,000 MN
June 27, 2007 - 23:24 ET by amberWhat a load of BS! 4,000 MN ANG guys deployed in September of 2005, they are still not back yet, and how many times has Al visited the troops from his home state? Hmmmmm? Have I received a call from him or the DNC? Did they send us a card? Did he help out with the kid's Christmas parties? Hu? Nope, one big fat no.
I will refrane from calling
June 27, 2007 - 15:19 ET by MightyMouthDave, I will try to refrane from calling you dumb again, you just must have missed my reply to Leon DIRECTLY above your post. But sorry, you have very few chances left to prove your lofty IQ.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Lofty IQ? dave? By lofty do y
June 27, 2007 - 16:14 ET by bassndudeLofty IQ? dave? By lofty do you mean cobwebs? The guy cant even use a search engine.
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Seems to me, I have heard him
June 27, 2007 - 23:17 ET by amberSeems to me, I have heard him talk about Bush and how wonderful his assination would be. I just can not remember if it was on Letterman, or 2 years ago when I was at the state fair walking past his booth. Either way, being in Minnesota, he is quite vile and he is rarely taken out of context. Anne's comments, when put in context, work and are not vile. For example, the whole Edwards fag thing. Edwards had hired a horrible woman to head a blog for him. At the same time, some actor was fired for calling someone a fag. Anne said, (paraphrased) 'apparently you can't even call anyone a fag anymore, so I have nothing to saw about Edwards' She did not call Edwards a fag, she was just highlighting, that if you can not even say that word, there was nothing she could say about Edwards because she was so insensed about his behavior in regards to this woman blogger. But, the media took it all out of context, said it was awful and tasteless, even Michelle Malkin got in on it. I thought it was brilliant, she is amazingly quick, as someone pointed out earlier, and most of the time, people just misread what she says (with the help of the MSM).
Um.. Let's see.. On Franken
June 27, 2007 - 14:51 ET by JerryUm.. Let's see.. On Franken's web site, he claimed that he prayed for the death of Bill O'Reilly and encouraged others to do likewise, and even recommended some hideous methods of death to pray for.
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
Can you post the actual quote
June 27, 2007 - 14:55 ET by LeonCan you post the actual quote? A link to the actual quote?
And is that the only one you have?
Bringing up Franken to defend Coulter is hilarious.
Jerry:Did you miss the word &
June 27, 2007 - 14:57 ET by Dave HighJerry:
Did you miss the word "verifiable" in my challenge? Show me what he said so I may view the context. You simply can't just throw that up. Al Franken is a humorist. Context is everything. Show me the money!
Regards, Dave High
Truth to a conservative is like salt to a snail.
So, Al can pray for someone's
June 27, 2007 - 16:24 ET by sunandsteelSo, Al can pray for someone's death and that is ok, because he is a "humorist." Real pathetic Mensa boy.
Texas has a population of nearly 21 million people, all of whom are ashamed to be from the same state as the Dixie Chicks. (IMAO.us)
Thanks Jerry, for finding tha
June 27, 2007 - 15:10 ET by jpatchThanks Jerry, for finding that little nugget of Al Franken's infinite wisdom.
What's funnier is that we could find hundreds of things that Tokyo Rosie and Bill "Playboy" Maher have said that are just plain garbage. Bill Maher is probably the worst, and Rosie is in 2nd. Either way, the point is, when crazy libs spout defamatory and libelous speech, they're within their rights. When a conservative does the same thing, they're vile hate-filled Republicans. What a joke the left has become. I guess that's why all of their biggest supporters are comedians!!!
jpatch:As it was your origina
June 27, 2007 - 15:20 ET by Dave Highjpatch:
As it was your original post that declared Al Franken is just as vile as Foul-Mouth Annie, can you tune us in to your knowledge base and show us the money? Or did you just make that crap up?
Regards, Dave High
Truth to a conservative is like salt to a snail.
Giving an opinion that a poli
June 27, 2007 - 15:12 ET by JerryGiving an opinion that a politician is politicizing the death of his son does not constitute a "foul mouth". Her method of delivering that opinion may have been a little coarse, but that's life in the fast lane. If you are gonna go around the campaign trail and constantly bring up the topic, then what other conclusion can you draw?
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
Exactly Jerry...I posted as s
June 27, 2007 - 15:22 ET by bigtimerExactly Jerry...
I posted as such yesterday while this was on live and later.
Elizabeth Edwards runs the show in a lot of ways politically, she should just butt out a long time ago, Edwards may have had half a chance with the left...plus I am sick of their pity-party...as only the left use so well...they have for years.
Gore is another perfect example with his hypocrisy and using a dead member of his family....hi sis...all for political gain...it is despicable.
Dave, Franken flew into a
June 27, 2007 - 15:24 ET by JerryDave,
Franken flew into a rage and tried to beat someone up that he didn't agree with at some democrat convention.
On the other hand, when Ann speaks at a college campus, democrats throw pies at her.
What lengths democrats will go to silence opposition. No surprise that they are pushing the "fairness" doctrine.
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
Your wrong.The leftist mentio
June 27, 2007 - 14:40 ET by well99Your wrong.The leftist mentioned do spout out more than Anne.
The people Jpatch mention do spew out their garbage more than Anne.Bill Maher, Rosie O'Donnell, Al Franken, Jon Stewart, Jeanine Garafalo have or had their own shows to push their agendas.Thru lies and creative editing.I dont stick up for Anne myself because she does say things that are over the top.The deal is you think it is ok for leftist to say anything but if a right winger does it hate speach.You have two standards.So how long have you been working for ABC.
You remind me of a Sociology Prof. When I brought up Pol Pot's extermination of a 20% of the people in Cambodia.He said it was a political mistake.You remind me of him.
Ya know Dave, that is just a
June 27, 2007 - 15:00 ET by bassndudeYa know Dave, that is just a down right stupid lie. Not only a lie, but a blatant lie. Your really far out in left looney field land if you really think that. They have never had to bleep out any of her words, which is more than you can say for any of those you seem to stick up for.
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Bass:How are you doing with m
June 27, 2007 - 15:03 ET by Dave HighBass:
How are you doing with my challenge to find a viler-than-Foul-Mouth-Annie Al Franken quote?
Dave
Truth is to conservatives as salt is to snails.
Try this from the NB archiv
June 27, 2007 - 15:08 ET by MightyMouthTry this from the NB archives.
The difference of course is that unlike Franken, Ann Coulter didn't wish the death of anyone. Instead Ann Coulter pointed out the death of someone being used for political gain. Who's more "vile" Dave?
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
MM...the high must really mea
June 27, 2007 - 15:14 ET by bassndudeMM...the high must really mean high. Like helium for brains.
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I was thinking something mo
June 27, 2007 - 15:30 ET by MightyMouthI was thinking something more volatile bass, like methane. I hope that loud noise I just heard was thunder and not Dave's head exploding.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Hydrogen?Save a SeAL, club a
June 27, 2007 - 15:35 ET by bassndudeHydrogen?
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Al Franken on Letterman:Oh, p
June 27, 2007 - 15:43 ET by Dave HighAl Franken on Letterman:
Oh, please. I saw this and it was a carefully set up, well executed and harmless joke. It bore no resemblance to Foul-Mouth Annie’s daily vile sputum.
Okay, times up. Despite a few thinly veiled lies, some bald faced ones that had to be retracted, unsubstantiated remembrances and this latest stretch of folly, no one was able to pin the vile tail on Al Franken. But hey let’s be fair ~ I knew that before we started!
Regards, Dave High
Truth to a conservative is like salt to a snail.
You didn't address the most
June 27, 2007 - 15:51 ET by MightyMouthYou didn't address the most important part of my post. Wishing for death as opposed to pointing out using death for political gain. Like I said your game was silly--- don't asked me why I played you idiots never listen to reason.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Oh please dave. Now your just
June 27, 2007 - 15:53 ET by bassndudeOh please dave. Now your just making excuses for the little ill tempered twit. Cant you just see this little girly man getting angry cause someone dont agree with him, and him trying to scratch the guy? LOL....franken is a fruit cake, admit it or not.
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Franken on Letterman was ha
June 27, 2007 - 15:44 ET by balboaFranken on Letterman was harmless banter on a talk show.
And Ann's "banter"
June 27, 2007 - 15:48 ET by MightyMouthAnd Ann's "banter" wasn't?
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
This latest "flair up&
June 27, 2007 - 15:53 ET by balboaThis latest "flair up"? Just not that big a deal. Although it wasn't a talk show, it was a political show. And Franken was joking. Ann wasn't.
Ann said she just made a joke
June 27, 2007 - 15:58 ET by bassndudeAnn said she just made a joke, and JE sent EE to the telephone to call. Ann dosent have the money to go to the same restaurants and the edwards's. If frankens remark was a joke, the so was Ann's. And she did not directly wish any ill will on edwards. Lucky I wasent on in Anns spot.
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So you think Ann REALLY bel
June 27, 2007 - 16:00 ET by MightyMouthSo you think Ann REALLY believes Edwards has such a bumper sticker? No? Well then I guess it was a joke...
And not against the son, but against parents who would stoop to using a dead son to become president. You should go work out now Amigo, I think you have streached enough!
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Ann was joking, in her way, w
June 27, 2007 - 17:47 ET by balboaAnn was joking, in her way, with the bumper sticker.
Is that like a John Kerry jok
June 27, 2007 - 17:01 ET by well99Is that like a John Kerry joke?
Franken was on the "talk
June 27, 2007 - 20:08 ET by stratmanFranken was on the "talk show" as an aspiring politician, promoting himself for office. It was a politically oriented interview with some spunky witticisms thrown in.
The Hardball episode with Coulter and Edwards was a talk show masquerading as a "political show". Mathews should change his name to Jerry Springer, JR if he wants promote sucker-punching catfights.
I think Ann was joking as much as Al was serious - copius amounts for both, each expressed in different fashions. Ann's humor is oftentimes dry, razor sharp and easily confused by those unwilling to pay attention or use their intellect. Al knows deadpan and broad humor that is much more accessible in our lowest common denominator culture.
Al may be able to communicate his thoughts in an uderstandable format to a wider population than Ann, but her intellect and command of language appears superior. Al's job is to get elected. Ann's job is to sell her books. So far we know Ann is performing well in her job as author and political commentator. Al, on the other hand, is still an unknown quantity in how successful he will be in performing his current job of getting elected.
I recognize that Ann was goin
June 27, 2007 - 20:16 ET by balboaI recognize that Ann was going for humor with the "Ask me about my dead son" bumper sticker, but...that's a little rough for me. But that's who she is, punctuating often great points with nasty barbs. I don't think anyone should be surprised or outraged by what she says, or by her performance on Matthews' show. But I also don't think they should be offended by what Franken said, which was obviously in jest on the Late Show, said to get laughs.
Dave, the fact of the matter
June 27, 2007 - 15:12 ET by bassndudeDave, the fact of the matter is, that Annie can go on live TV and do an interview, and not have to be edited for profane remarks. Im not out for your challenge. In fact, I would say that the challenge should be the other way around. I listened to air america a few times and it was always much more insidious than any of the other shows on anywhere. Bill Mayer wished Cheney would die on the Dave letterman show, Al Franken is no longer a humorist, but is in politics, and left the humor, if indeed he ever had any, at SNL. You can bluber all you want, but the fact is, your initial assesment of Ann, is wrong, and your post in its entirety is a lie, and you know it.
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Silky Pony aka gutless wonder aka John Edwards
June 27, 2007 - 14:46 ET by texan1953the man who be president...he will not appear on FOX News...hides behind his wife's skirt...he is not fit for the office. What a coward...maybe he can channel the Lion from the WIZARD OF OZ and get the nerve.
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