Carrying the left's water, on this morning's 'Today' show, NBC's Kelly O'Donnell furthered the liberal spin of Dick Cheney as a dark and sinister force inside the White House. While refusing to label Melanie Sloan and Michael Blanton as the known liberals that they are, O'Donnell cited them, along with the Washington Post's Barton Gellman, in a segment that portrayed Cheney as a "master of stealth." In the story about Cheney withholding documents from the National Archives, O'Donnell aired three soundbites opposed to Cheney but only aired one from a Cheney advocate, White House Deputy Press Secretary Dana Perino.
The following is the full, unbalanced segment as it occurred on the June 24, 'Today' show:
Meredith Vieira: "One of the key architects of the war on terror, Vice President Dick Cheney, is back in a very uncomfortable place for him, the headlines. NBC's White House correspondent Kelly O'Donnell has more. Kelly, good morning to you."
[On screen headline: "Vice Presidential Power, Cheney's Widespread Influence."]
Kelly O'Donnell: "Good morning, Meredith. The glare of public exposure is probably the thing the Vice President dislikes most. And he's getting more of it, than usual. There's a series running in the Washington Post this week examining his role. And there's a brewing feud between the Office of the Vice President and the National Archives over the handling of classified information. Wielding more power than any Vice President in U.S. history, a master of stealth, even inside the White House."
Tom Blanton, George Washington University: "Vice President Cheney's been the leader of the effort to say, 'we need a cone of silence over the Executive Branch.'"
O'Donnell: "Most notably on the controversial policy of holding terror suspects, without charges, indefinitely. As detailed in the Washington Post, Mr. Cheney quietly gave his detainee proposal to the President, bypassing the standard staff review."
Barton Gellman, Washington Post: "The top ranking officials in the White House never knew about this proposal before the President signed it. That's highly unusual in the Bush or any other White House."
O'Donnell: "Cheney's influence turns out to be surprisingly wide-ranging. For example, the Post finds he was the force behind capital gains tax cuts and also put an end to the snowmobile ban in national parks. In an interview last year, he said the President gave him the green-light."
Dick Cheney: "...onset was I'd be an important part of the team and have an opportunity to weigh in on those issues I wanted to weigh in on and he's kept his word."
O'Donnell: "But has the Vice President gone too far? The National Archives thinks so. Mr. Cheney's is the only office in the Executive Branch refusing to file required reports and permit inspections by the National Archives, which monitors the handling of classified material."
Melanie Sloan, advocate for government ethics: "He is, in effect, holding himself above the law, saying that there is no oversight over the Office of the Vice President."
O'Donnell: "The White House acknowledges there is an open dispute but backs Cheney's position."
Dana Perino, Deputy White House Press Secretary: "...from following the, the laws of the United States he's exempt just from this reporting requirement."
O'Donnell: "The National Archives unit that looks over how government offices handle this kind of classified information, has gone to the Attorney General. That happened in January but Alberto Gonzales has not responded yet. Now Democrats are asking questions and they're also saying this needs to be investigated. Meredith."
Meredith Vieira: "Alright, Kelly O'Donnell, thank you very much."
—Geoffrey Dickens is the senior news analyst at the Media Research Center.





















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Dick Cheney, the Master of Stealth
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 10:47 ET by merlin61I like that title ---- he's not afraid to tell the Dems where to
go, we need more leaders like that !!!! He needs to do it
more often so we can be protected from too much info given to the terrorists. We give the enemy too much info
and the Dems are behind it.
merlin61 - and the Dems are b
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 12:18 ET by ding7777merlin61 - and the Dems are behind it.
huh? Its Bush's EO that Cheney has decided to ignore.
The left hates Cheney because
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 13:33 ET by Free ThinkerThe left hates Cheney because he makes them feel so uncomfortable about themselves. Calling him names is the only way they can debate him because they lose on the merits of his arguments everytime.
As far as this story goes, even though she isn't the brightest bulb, I think that Kelly O'Donnell is kind of cute which is probably why NBC puts her on the tv anyway.
Next time you run into one of
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 14:38 ET by Del DolemonteNext time you run into one of these Cheney detractors at a party and want to really get them going, ask them about former Democrat President Lyndon Johnson's decades-long association with Halliburton, which endures to this day (his widow Lady Bird still sits on their Board of Directors). Then ask them why it was OK for LBJ (and later Bill Clinton) to give Halliburton no-bid contracts during wartime.
Del, just one correction.
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 19:12 ET by GregEDel, just one correction. Ladybird Johnson is not listed as a board member.
http://www.halliburton.com/Default.aspx?navid=342&pageid=782
But any idea when her tenure was?
My bad, I forgot to mention t
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 20:46 ET by Del DolemonteMy bad, I forgot to mention that you have to look for her real name, which is what she used on all business deals...
Claudia Alta Taylor
Good luck with a Google search, they're trying their best to bury it! But here's a story about Lyndon
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1569483
1. I'm not sure how this is
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 10:49 ET by sarcasmo1. I'm not sure how this is actual mediabias. Is Cheney a master of open-ness in government, and somehow I didn't notice?
2. Those who defend it here had best be prepared to see your words defending the same behavior in the next Democrat VP. Whether it's Hillary secretly meeting with medical people or Dick secretly meeting with oil people, to some folks it looks, well, secretive instead of open.
JMR
Previous VPs and their info
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 10:52 ET by PawpawNCould you or TODAY advise us where the info from previous VPs is available for review? Have you looked at the ARCHIVES? Do you think that has what Al Gore said and did on everything?
Presumably, Al did have to
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 10:55 ET by sarcasmoPresumably, Al did have to comply with the executive order by his boss, but I have not looked. Are you saying that Al didn't comply with the thing, and there's an unfair double-standard on Cheney?? Is there any evidence for this???
JMR
Algor
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 11:09 ET by bulbasaurAlgor didn't seem to many folks to be a particularly open or transparent fellow. Remember the questionable campaign donation scheme he set up with the Buddhist Temple?
True, but I'm not sure camp
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 11:12 ET by sarcasmoTrue, but I'm not sure campaign finance issues are covered under the executive order. (Presumably, because it's a Clinton admin order, the answer would be "no.") I'm still just looking for a comparison of the 2 VP's offices behavior under the order before I say this is media bias. What's wrong with that??
JMR
I see your point, sarc. See
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 11:32 ET by drillanwrI see your point, sarc. Seems it's the other side that never makes comparisons in such matters, political and otherwise.
I do believe presidential administrations should have a certain measure of secrecy, for various reasons ... not the least of which is national security issues.
Not to worry, however. With the NYTimes and members of Congress leaking everything but the kitchen sink whatever is going on would have a way of making it out into the open ... as it has on many recent occassions ... not the least of which is national security issues and secret measures in the war on terror.
Searched!
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 11:19 ET by PawpawNLet's use your old terms-you brought up the subject of not doing, so the question was did other VPs do it. I did quick search and found nothing, but wanted to give you chance to prove your statement as I may have not searched correctly, etc.
PawpawN - Its a moot question
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 12:28 ET by ding7777PawpawN - Its a moot question. Before Bush amended EO 13292 to include the Vice President as having the same power as the President regarding classified material, VPs didn't have power to classify and declassify material - hence no need for a paper trail.
Read the exceptions/exemptions
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 12:31 ET by PawpawNDid you know there are 9 exemptions to what can be given by Pres & others in executive. Seems most info falls under those, including who slept in Lincoln bedroom!
PawpawN - the 9 exemptions ar
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 12:42 ET by ding7777PawpawN - the 9 exemptions are for autodeclassification of material (Bush changed the would "could" to "should") - anyway, it has nothing to do with Cheney not complying with the Information Security Oversight
Office
Explain
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 12:45 ET by PawpawNWell please explain to little old dumb me just what they do mean? What are they saying he hasn't turned over, his laundry list?
PawpawN - Let's review - EO 1
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 12:54 ET by ding7777PawpawN - Let's review - EO 13292 gave the VP the right to classify/declassfy material as if he were the President. Anyone who classifies/declassfies material must submit statistic activity to the ISOO. Cheney refuses to submit that information to the ISOO since he started using his new power.
ISOO
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 13:00 ET by PawpawNAnd the ISOO reports to whom?
PawpawN - ISOO, part of the
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 13:19 ET by ding7777PawpawN - ISOO, part of the National Archives (an independent agency)gathers the data and presents an annual report to the President
.
And...
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 13:22 ET by PawpawNLet's see, annual report to the PRES. And when exactly was the PRES notified about this? And when is report due? Who gave the information to the MSM that VP had not complied? Under which sections, parts, etc., has he not replied properly? & just whom in Congress is head of this committee that oversees such ISOO?
PawpawN - your questions, whi
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 13:35 ET by ding7777PawpawN - your questions, while interesting (and the answers can be easily googled), really have nothing to do with Cheney's non-complance to ISOO
Google
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 13:37 ET by PawpawNAnd GOOGLE, is it in the 9 to 1 ratio of those who gave donations to DIMS? Internet, the leader in misinformation.....
PawpawN - the OVP non-complia
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 13:50 ET by ding7777PawpawN - the OVP non-compliance is in a footnote of the ISOO's Annual Report - so anyone who reads the report can see it.
Link
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 13:53 ET by PawpawNPlease give everyone the link so they can each make up their own mind. Thanks.
National Archive ISOO Annual
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 13:59 ET by ding7777National Archive ISOO Annual Reports page - you can view 2003, 2004, and 2005 to find non-compliance
WORDING OF REPORT
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 14:46 ET by PawpawNLet's see, report footnote states, "...Nor do the other data reported here include those for the OVP and HSC, which historically have not have not reported quantatively significant data." So what is the all the BIG NEWS here!!
PawpawN - you chose not to p
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 15:05 ET by ding7777PawpawN - you chose not to post what was in the "...." so here it is: "The Office of the Vice President (OVP), the President’s Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board (PFIAB), and the Homeland Security Council (HSC) failed to report their data to ISOO this year."
The "other data" refers to data other than Classified data.
Read it and weep!
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 15:07 ET by PawpawNRead what is posted below, it is the whole, that's WHOLE, footnote. Now what did we all miss?
PawpawN - you missed the OVP
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 15:13 ET by ding7777PawpawN - you missed the OVP failed to report their data to ISOO this year. And for the past 3 years. As required by EO.
Not missed
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 15:23 ET by PawpawNWe laid it all out for you. We did not miss it. We just feel it is irrelevant, as the footnote appears to state!
One Footnote... So Much Hyper
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 14:57 ET by stratmanOne Footnote... So Much Hyperbole:
FY 2004 - "The Office of the Vice President (OVP) and the Homeland Security Council (HSC) did not report their data to ISOO this year. Therefore, the reported number does not include two OCAs previously reported to ISOO by OVP. Nor do the other data reported here include those for OVP and HSC, which historically have not reported quantitatively significant data."
FY 2005 - "The Office of the Vice President (OVP), the President’s Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board (PFIAB), and the Homeland Security Council (HSC) failed to report their data to ISOO this year. Therefore, the reported number of OCAs does not include four OCAs previously reported by OVP and PFIAB. The other data reported here do not include those for OVP, PFIAB, and HSC, which historically have not reported quantitatively significant data."
Earth shattering. Not. A 36 and 32 page report and this one footnote gets ALL the attention. Anyone still not convinced Kelly O'Donnell was a hired gun to do a smear job? Look at the words chosen to "report" this issue. Report the story minus the liberal "terms of endearment" and let us decide how we feel. Where's the hub and bub concerning Homeland Security and the PFIAB? Sounds like a focused, one-sided hatchett job. If reporting is required then do it, Mr. Vice President. If not against the EO or law, then report your blunder, Kelly, and then STFU. I'll expect the next VP to be held to the same standards as long as it's a law/EO. Same goes for those that lawlessly destroy classified documents (Berger) and immigration laws. Enforce those current laws as well. Stop playing footsey with our security and prosperity MSM and politicians.
11 minutes ahead of ya!
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 15:02 ET by PawpawNGlad you put the whole thing out there! I was 11 minutes ahead but just gave the important wording! What a take on something! What will be next?
You got that right.I read the
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 15:38 ET by stratmanYou got that right.
I read the whole page before posting and didn't see your nearly identical earlier post until after submitting my comment and the page refreshed.
If it were a gunfight I'd be toes up and cooling off already. Nice shot, shooter.
statman - providing data to I
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 15:10 ET by ding7777statman - providing data to ISOO is required by EO. Even for the OVP.
As I said, if it is required,
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 15:31 ET by stratmanAs I said, if it is required, then the VP needs to do such.
Same goes for others covered under this EO.
I did not equivocate in my earlier post, if that's your belief or implication.
statman - Well, since Cheney
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 16:02 ET by ding7777statman - Well, since Cheney is not complying and made up some nonsensical gibberish exempting himself from the Executive branch - I think the traditional media should report it, don't you?
Again, yes, and, without the
Tue, 06/26/2007 - 00:21 ET by stratmanAgain, yes, and, without the invective.
My position is unchanged. Why beat the dead horse considering we agree on reporting?
Do you feel the news report's hyperbole was appropriate?
Did you require the poison pen prose in order to make your own determination of what the OVP should do regarding the EO? I hope not.
Is it possible there's more to the story, given that the heavy-handed, editorial style of reporting smacks of an emotional-based bias overshadowing factual content?
The fact is both the OVP AND Homeland Security Council failed to provide data to the ISOO both years, and PFIAB failed to provide data in one year, but the O'Donnell piece went out of its way to demonize Cheney while avoiding criticism in kind to HSC. And, nothing else about the ISOO reports was given lip service.
Now I am going to speculate: I would have to believe that the writer's of Ms. O'Donnell's report showed the complete footnote to their editor(s) prior to televising. It's very small and does not require much time nor intellect to grasp the specifics. The editor(s) decided to ignore any other ISOO non-reporters as well as anything else contained in the ISOO report, instead opting to concentrate exclusively on Cheney. That would constitute willfull cherry picking of facts combined harmoniously with a literary style made famous by Hearst Publications in the 20th century - yellow journalism.
This is prima fasciae evidence of an agenda promoted by Ms. O'Donnell and NBC.
sarc...take off the blinders
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 10:55 ET by LionKingThe bias is the constant focus on Cheney to begin with. The MSM is constantly trying to find a "story" around Cheney. During the Clinton years, the media was too busy "spinning" for President Sleaze to even bother with Al Gore.
Let's see some proof, then.
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 10:57 ET by sarcasmoLet's see some proof, then. See my comment above, did Al comply with Clinton's executive order, or didn't he? That's the question in this case, I just brought up the secretive bipartisan stuff to upset people who needed upsetting in this case.
JMR
the bias here is the microsco
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 11:06 ET by TruthMongerthe bias here is the microscope on any potential cheney transgressions to begin with, as their is no evidence of any, then they go to the baldface lying insuations about him, and if they ever scrutinize a dem vp like this, nb will be the first to ignore it, as we focus on liberal bias...how's that sarc? Please don't make me do the crickets...
What I'm asking for, and so
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 11:09 ET by sarcasmoWhat I'm asking for, and so far I've gotten only a mixture of invective & crickets myself, is a comparison of AlGore's compliance with said executive order vs Dick Cheney's. It's not too much of a request if guaging media bias, is it?? Those are the only 2 guys who lived under this executive order, so they're the logical ones to compare, right? Where am I being unfair to Dick Cheney????
JMR
sarcasmo, since you'd really
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 11:17 ET by TruthMongersarcasmo, since you'd really like to know - can you maybe try googling it yourself and then letting us know? I'm kinda busy trying to find out things I'd like to know...I'll be so damn happy to shoot you my idiotic conservative opinion on it if you can just elaborate...
Nope. Not my job. I'm a med
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 14:55 ET by sarcasmoNope. Not my job. I'm a media critic, but I'm not the news media, so I do what I want. If you want it done, either do it yourself or prepare to pay. Nothing's changed from what I originally said.
JMR
Read the Footnote
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 14:58 ET by PawpawNSarc, did you read the footnote to the report? Bet not! Let's see, report footnote states, "...Nor do the other data reported here include those for the OVP and HSC, which historically have not have not reported quantatively significant data." So what is the all the BIG NEWS here!!
I totally agree that it may
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 15:07 ET by sarcasmoI totally agree that it may not be, and probably isn't, big news. My point is that to find media bias we'd need to compare both media coverage of now vs then and compliance by the 2 VPs covered, and so far nobody's done that yet. One person tried to assign me the task, so I told him to go do it himself. I'm also worried about expanding the next vice president's power, since it's not at all clear who that might be, so IF this does that I'm generally against it, while at the same time stipulating that so far it doesn't seem from what's been released that Cheney has abused it.
JMR
1st VP under such
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 15:13 ET by PawpawNKinda hard to find precedent, since CHENEY 1st VP under new act. Nothing happened in Clinton's time except scandals, bombings, etc., so there wouldn't be any reports because he wanted a LEG-acy, note the LEG part, well he liked all parts. Maybe the correction to law was done so no Chinese donations could come thru in any other admin.
I was under the impression
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 15:19 ET by sarcasmoI was under the impression that it was a Clinton executive order, my apologies if mistaken, but I assumed AlGore would have had some time complying with it so there would be a way to compare compliance as well as media coverage WRT the order. Whether or not Al did comply, my point can be seen more-simply. "You people unintentionally give Stewart & Colbert enough material every week without trying to sell the whopper that the Vice President's office somehow ain't part of the executive branch because he occasionally breaks ties in a few close votes. If it's this much of an issue, Bush should just rescind Clinton's executive order and issue one that he & Cheney like instead. Simple, and it solves the issue!"
JMR
Read
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 15:26 ET by PawpawNDid you read all of the Ex Order? Did you red the reports from 1995 to present? Did you read the change GWB made to EX Order? Once done, get back with us.
I don't see why it matters
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 15:31 ET by sarcasmoI don't see why it matters to what I've said, I've read what's on this page. Al was under the 1995 version, and I've not seen a Bush change which is why I suggested it. If he's still claiming the VP isn't executive branch, though, he needs to change it again, IMO. Presumably, if Al was covered by this, y'all can go after him again for stuff like the secret Buddhist Temple donations, which would be funny as hell IMO.
JMR
9 exemptions to files
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 11:42 ET by PawpawNDid you know there are 9 exemptions to what can be given by Pres & others in executice. Seems most info falls under those, including who slept in Lincoln bedroom!
Sarcasmo, I mostly agree with
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 11:11 ET by KC MulvilleSarcasmo, I mostly agree with you here, except for two caveats.
Is it silliness? I think so. They both need to be slapped and told to get back to work.
1. Oh, I know, and this kin
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 11:15 ET by sarcasmo1. Oh, I know, and this kind of warning is exactly what I told Democrat friends would be coming back at 'em when Hillary did that. The standards of behavior of the 2 "major" parties are in a race to the bottom, morally. No argument there! And partisan Democrats think exactly the same thing about Republicans and reciprocity as you think of them, BTW. Both sides also tend to vastly overestimate how organized the other side actually is.
2. If it's gamesmanship, Bush should revoke the executive order in question. It sounds strange to people when it's claimed that the Vice President is not a part of the executive branch when it's inconvenient, since his primary duties are executive and he only does legislative branch stuff in the case of breaking ties in the senate.
JMR
Agreed.
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 11:19 ET by KC MulvilleAgreed.
does sarcasmo see the bias ye
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 11:30 ET by TruthMongerdoes sarcasmo see the bias yet?
Nope, see above. I still sa
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 14:58 ET by sarcasmoNope, see above. I still say:
1. I'm not sure how this is actual mediabias. Is Cheney a master of open-ness in government, and somehow I didn't notice?
2.
Those who defend it here had best be prepared to see your words defending the same behavior in the next Democrat VP. Whether it's Hillary secretly meeting with medical people or Dick secretly meeting with oil people, to some folks it looks, well, secretive instead of open.
Sarc, can you read?
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 15:04 ET by PawpawNSarc, can you read. this is what the whole thing is about, a footnote: Let's see, report footnote states, "...Nor do the other data reported here include those for the OVP and HSC, which historically have not have not reported quantatively significant data." So what is the all the BIG NEWS here!!
See other comment.JMR
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 15:08 ET by sarcasmoSee other comment.
JMR
Bush Admin made change
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 20:31 ET by PawpawNSarc, you fail to understand change made in 2003 due to security of nation, etc. analysis of executive order 13292 and how it differs from the original & this even comes from Lib site!
I'm still waiting to hear fro
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 10:58 ET by kathleenirishI'm still waiting to hear from the Media about Sandy Berger's escapades in 'Pantsgate' and stuffing documents in his underwear. Stopped holding my breath a long time ago....
Anyone who says they support the troops but not the mission is a liar.
Kathleen -I am too. Contrast
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 11:29 ET by StickfarmKathleen -
I am too.
Contrast Berger's treatment with Libby's treatment. Let see.... Libby didn't leak Val's name, the reason the investigation was launched in the first place....he had faulty memory. Intentional or not - thats the extent of his crime.
Berger's offenses are far worse - and include the same lapse of memory, so he claims, as Libby.
So why isn't Berger reporting to prison ? The reason he isn't is very simple. Libby worked for Cheney and Berger worked for Slick Willy.
So talk to me about media bias. They are out to lynch Cheney, figuratively or in the courts, anyway the media and Defeatocrats can. I can't understand how much vitrolic nonsense they spew about the man.
Stickfarm
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
News media fact, this secto
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 11:45 ET by JDWNews media fact, this sector supports dems by a factor of 9 to 1.
What is the future of Fitzgerald?
JDW
News media: Scoreboard for terrorists
Current Admin & MSM
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 11:53 ET by PawpawNSee the current Admin is not in lock step with the MSM, they won't let them get all the free rides on planes, they won't let them sleep in Lincoln bedroom, they won't invite them over for movies and popcorn, they won't let them do cutesy photo shots, and the list goes on & on, so the MSM tries to bring 'em down. What I don't get is that BUSH isn't running in '08, Cheney isn't running on '08, so why waste all the time and energy on them! Oh, now I know why, it's the KARL ROVE Machine at its best, deflect all spotlight from candidates and put on those not running. I tell you the MAN is BRILLIANT!!
The voter is not stupid.New
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 12:03 ET by JDWThe voter is not stupid.
News media uses a technique called 'managing the news'. It distorts and/or spins to the favor of the dems.
You have described reality above. People do not want to lose a war to terrorists. They fear infiltration. They appreciate their economy. They love their country...
JDW
News media: Scoreboard for terrorists
The patent Dim answer
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 20:52 ET by PawpawN"I do not recollect placing those documents in my socks!" I guess misstatements aren't perjury for Dims when they do not recollect but when Repubs do it's the end of the world-they're hiding something, it's Karl Rove's and Dick Cheney's fault, etc.
If Cheyney was a true "m
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 11:18 ET by Hero SquadIf Cheyney was a true "master of stealth," wouldn't all of his supposed actions performed under this cloak of stealth never see the light of day? You know, being a master and all.
*****
"I'm sorry, you must have mistaken me for a clown that gives a damn!" - Sticky the Clown
dude, the holes in an MSM &qu
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 11:25 ET by TruthMongerdude, the holes in an MSM "news" item will boggle the mind...
Exactly.*****"I'm sorry,
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 11:28 ET by Hero SquadExactly.
*****
"I'm sorry, you must have mistaken me for a clown that gives a damn!" - Sticky the Clown
No matter how good you are
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 11:28 ET by shawn228No matter how good you are you will eventually get caught. IE Steve Irwin"God rest his soul"
As usual when someone says something bad about this administration someone brings up Hillary, Bill, Harry Reid, Sandy Berger or Monica Lewinski. Can' t we for once talk about Dick Cheney secret meetings instead of comparing it some evil Democrat?
Absolutly, let's just talk
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 11:34 ET by MightyMouthAbsolutly, let's just talk about the Republicans and give the Democarts a pass. The MSM seems to LOVE that method.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
We are not talking abo
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 11:42 ET by shawn228We are not talking about what Democrats have done MM, we are talking
about if Cheney has something to hide? The Presidents cabinet includes
the Vice President and the rest of administration. IMO the cabinet is
the "executive branch" and should comply like everybody else to
"executive order"
When Sandy Berger did what he did, he was not brought up on charges and I believe Republicans controlled both chambers at the time did they not? Why is it the Dems or MSM fault he was not charged? Scooter Libby was convicted by an independent council as well, not Tom Brokaw.
they didn't charge scooter so
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 11:51 ET by TruthMongerthey didn't charge scooter so the MSM sure as hell made everyone know about it until they did my friend...
we expect cheney to obey the law and he does. the point here (please avert your eyes) is that the MSM is just trying to stir up non-existent shit on cheney...
Libby was charged after
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 11:59 ET by shawn228Libby was charged after hundreds of hrs of questioning people in this adminstration. It was Patrick Fitzgerald and his team that determined that he was not truthful about his testimony not the MSM. Dont get me wrong, I want the President to pardon poor Scooter, but the MSM had nothing to do with his conviction.
It is only natural for someone to find out more about the inner workings of the VP. When his chief of staff has been convicted they just might find something, just ask Bob Ney.
"We are not talking ab
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 11:52 ET by MightyMouth"We are not talking about what Democrats have done MM, we are talking about if Cheney has something to hide?"
Yeah, there seems to be a lot of that going around, most of the attemtps are baseless and a waste of time. Of course there doesn't seem to be a lot of concern if any democrats "have anything to hide", like Pelosi (tunagate) or "Mr Cold Cash" or any number of Kennedy's you can name. There are other examples but most liberals aren't interested unless there is an "R" after the name.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
But ROVE is GREAT
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 11:57 ET by PawpawNSee the current Admin is not in lock step with the MSM, they won't let them get all the free rides on planes, they won't let them sleep in Lincoln bedroom, they won't invite them over for movies and popcorn, they won't let them do cutesy photo shots, and the list goes on & on, so the MSM tries to bring 'em down. What I don't get is that BUSH isn't running in '08, Cheney isn't running on '08, so why waste all the time and energy on them! Oh, now I know why, it's the KARL ROVE Machine at its best, deflect all spotlight from candidates and put on those not running. I tell you the MAN is BRILLIANT!!
The MSM is trying to transp
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 12:01 ET by MightyMouthThe MSM/Dems are trying to transpose the "failed" Bush adminstration onto whoever gets the "R" nomination. In other words, taint the whole party with the perceived failure of the current administration. It won't work as well closer to the election, IMO.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Agree
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 12:03 ET by PawpawNAgree, all will be forgotten then. In fact R's can bring up just what has this CONGRESS done except go after the Pres, Vp, etc. No worthy bills passed, not listened to the public outcry, etc!
Mr. Cold cash has been
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 12:06 ET by shawn228Mr. Cold cash has been officially charged MM, and I expect a conviction as well. I do not hear of one Democrat in congress that is defending him. I don't know much about tuna gate but I agree they should inquire more about Feinsteins husband.
Really
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 12:08 ET by PawpawNHave you heard any denounce him? Has he lost his leadership position? Has he resigned from Congress? Oh, guess the MSM forgot to tell us anything about William Jefferson, Democrat-La!
Well PawpawN, since you
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 12:13 ET by shawn228Well PawpawN, since you guys love this strategy so much, I will use it too. Lets deflect the question and point somebody else out. Did anyone Denounce Bob Ney while he was under investigation? The GOP only asked him to resign after he was convicted.
Convicted vs Indicted
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 12:26 ET by PawpawNI do believe Mr Ney resigned prior to conviction, Mr DeLay resigned and has not been convicted, etc., on & on, as Reps have an etchical understanding if indicted, they will resign from positions, and normally resign from office. Some Dems have stayed in office since the 80's even tho indicted, convicted, etc.
Mr. Ney resigned prior
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 12:33 ET by shawn228Mr. Ney resigned prior to being convicted but 3 weeks after he admitted guilt. if you admit guilt, you should resign the same day. Not one Republican asked Ney to resign when he was indicted only after he admitted guilit. Just like Mark Foley he entered into AA program and tried to get the publics symphathy by blaming it on alchohol.
How long since Cold Cash Jeff info known?
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 12:37 ET by PawpawNAnd how long since William Jefferson, Democrat-La, had all his dirty(oops, cold) laundry exposed and still no resignation, no outcry from his constituents, the MSM, etc? Aw, let's see if he even gets convicted. I've heard he wants the same judge(appointed under a Dim Admin) that Sandy Burglar had, since he can say he didn't know the $90,000 was in the freezer!
Wouldn't you ask for a
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 12:52 ET by shawn228Wouldn't you ask for a judge you think would you give the best possible chance for a aquital? Again the MSM had nothing to do with Sandy Berger not being indicted.
Did you watch the press ann
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 12:23 ET by MightyMouthDid you watch the press announcment by the FBI? A question was asked by the "impartial" MSM (don't know who): "Was this done because Jefferson is a democrat?". The answer was: " NO, the FBI doesn't give a damn which political party he was with" [paraphrase]. It doesn't matter what the evidence was, it just mattered to the MSM if he was a democrat or republican. NB also covered this when it happened.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Shawn,Tunagate info here...
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 12:14 ET by MightyMouthShawn,
Tunagate info here....
But in addition to what Paw has said, where is the MSM hysteria (for any dem) compared to, oh say: Foley?
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
MM, I did not know about t
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 12:26 ET by shawn228MM, I did not know about this, and it does point out the hypocrite Pelosi is. I never really liked her either. I remember when she was being sworn in......and the fakeness with her holding up the gavel and saying .......the children, the children. choke...gag ughh. Made me sick.
The MSM should be paying more attention to this but IMO, this is dwarfwed by someone that is a member of congress and sends dirty text to underaged teens that are the same gender that he is. He is the one that wrote some of the "sexual predator" laws, so this makes him one of the biggest hyprocrites ever.
One Ear Open
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 12:28 ET by PawpawNSeems you only have your LEFT ear open. Try hearing from the RIGHT ear also!!
I have stated many times it
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 12:36 ET by shawn228I have stated many times it the past PawpawN, The Democrat lead congress has low approval ratings and rightly so. I am just staying on topic with the Cheney thing, but if you guys need to bring up Berger and Scooter, so be it. I will debate about them also.
Again
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 12:52 ET by PawpawNI say again, just use both your LEFT & RIGHT ears. I try to do such.
Shawn,I am not a defender o
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 12:36 ET by MightyMouthShawn,
I am not a defender of Foley, but there is a distinct point here: technically with Foley, there was NO CRIME whatsoever! The Page was of legal age for D.C. at the time. There was "only" impropriety of which he suffered the loss of his office. This and tunagate goes to the absolute lack of character of these democrats. Pelosi and Jefferson are both caught with their hands in the cookie jar, yet they still hold office and are actually defiant!!!. They don't have the moral fortitude to step down or admit fault!!! Astounding!!!
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
I will do more research
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 12:46 ET by shawn228I will do more research on tunagate MM, my distain for polititians is not limited to only Republicans:) Even though what Foley did was not illegal, it is grossly and morally wrong. Finding a fridge full of money is pretty damning evidence, and a few Dems have asked Jefferson to resign and he has refused to do so.
No matter how overwhelming the evidence is, this is still the United States of America and he should get a fair trial. If he is convicted, I'm sure many Democrats will call for his resignation.
It's like a magic trick: Yo
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 11:39 ET by balboaIt's like a magic trick: You know _something's_ going on, but you're just not sure what. Dick Cheney is the Criss Angel of politics.
hi bal - are you on board wit
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 11:46 ET by TruthMongerhi bal - are you on board with the evil dick cheney fan club then?
I don't know that he's &quo
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 11:52 ET by balboaI don't know that he's "evil" per se. Just not my favorite guy.
He's like every crotchety corporate executive from TV and movies, like the gun guys in "Runaway Jury" or the insurance dudes from "The Rainmaker."
why don't you like him, bal?.
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 11:54 ET by TruthMongerwhy don't you like him, bal?
...by the end of this week you're gonna love him just like me...!
I will wager you 100 "NB gift shop dollars"
He has that dismissive air
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 14:14 ET by balboaHe has that dismissive air about him, that "You kids go on outside and let us handle the important stuff." Nothing makes me dislike a politician more than a sense that he doesn't think I need be bothered with what's going on.
You really think so, Bal?I ge
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 15:36 ET by BlondeYou really think so, Bal?
I get the impression that even though he's scary smart, he'd be happy to take the time to sit down and explain something, like a professor, as long as the student were truly interested in learning and not just putting him on.
I think it's his intellect, not to mention the fact that he's quite articulate, has alot of people thinking he's the boogey man.
Bah. I don't think anyone's r
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 18:43 ET by balboaBah. I don't think anyone's really scared of intellect. That's a myth IMO.
I don't doubt that he's smart, of course.
Sick Soul of ABC
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 11:34 ET by Lame CherryIt is all the liberal media, but when one contemplates Kelly O in what it takes to engineer a piece of diatribe like this. She sits down with her propaganda producer to lie, manipulate and attack a Vice President who is doing nothing but being a political Vice President which is what the job calls for.
Personally, normal moral people could not do this every day of their life as it was cause an emotional breakdown in using character assassination daily against people who have never done a thing to you.
Think about it or think about that. Kelly O gets up every morning knowing her job is to lie, put on people who are manipulators and then she goes home with her 6 figure salary. That is just sick and it takes a sick soul to do things like that and the big observation is, "Just how does Katie Couric, Diane Sawyer and the ilk not end up in a mental institution from their conscience bothering them.
Just what is it in Kelly O that nothing which bothers a normal person is void in her.
analysis of executive order 1
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 12:46 ET by ding7777analysis of executive order 13292 and how it differs from the original
These changes were made POS
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 12:49 ET by MightyMouthThese changes were made POST 9/11, right ding? What problem do you have with this change, if any(just in case you only posted the link for our edification)?
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
MightyMouth - 9/11 has nothin
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 13:04 ET by ding7777MightyMouth - 9/11 has nothing to with it - sometimes a power grab is just a power grab.
Why does Cheney need classification power equal to the President's when Cheney already had clearance to read classified material. But it is certainly a good way to get Libby to selectively leak portions of classified materials to reporters like Judy Miller.
"9/11 has nothing to w
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 13:10 ET by MightyMouth"9/11 has nothing to with it - sometimes a power grab is just a power grab."
Maybe 9/11 has everything to do with it, sometimes defending the country is just defending the country. Maybe Cheney needs classification power equal to the president post 9/11, because of a vastly expanding Home Land Security endeavour.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
PUBLIC CITIZEN
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 12:57 ET by PawpawNCould you please tell everyone the facts of the organization PUBLIC CITIZEN!
PawpawN - from the web cite P
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 13:09 ET by ding7777PawpawN - from the web cite
Associated with Nader who is no friend of the Democrats. Which part of the analysis do you think is wrong!
Pres of PUBLIC CITIZEN
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 13:14 ET by PawpawNJoan Claybrook, Pres of PUBLIC CITIZEN, member of Pres Carter Admin. Does this sound not too left leaning??
PawpawN - its you're choice t
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 13:23 ET by ding7777PawpawN - its you're choice to dismiss the analysis but can you offer another cite comparing the EO's?
Wouldn't You Dismiss
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 13:27 ET by PawpawNBased on this and the other info given below to ties for PUBLIC CITIZEN, wouldn't you dismiss, be skecptical? Bet if it came from a Conservative Group you'll be all up in arms that the info not true! Can you deny that?
PawpawN - if a cite (conserv
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 13:43 ET by ding7777PawpawN - if a cite (conservative of otherwise) gave an honest analysis of 2 EOs, I would believe it since both EOs are readily available for you to read on your own to prove that the analysis is correct - and fwiw, I did read Bush's amended EO giving Cheney classification/declassification power that was not in the original EO)
Your Opinion/Assumption
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 13:49 ET by PawpawNYour opinion/assumption after reading is that he has not complied. Mine is otherwise, so I guess we disagree to agree or agree to disagree.
PawpawN - The EO gave Cheney
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 13:56 ET by ding7777PawpawN - The EO gave Cheney the power of declassifing materials and the responsiblity to comply with ISOO.
The ISOO Annual Report to the president footnotes say the OVP is in non-compliance.
So if you want to believe that Cheney has complied - ok,
Can't dispute that, the ISOO
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 14:36 ET by zfCan't dispute that, the ISOO is the Word of God.
Wording of Footnote in ISOO
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 14:52 ET by PawpawNSeems no one wants to show the wording of the footnote on the ISOO report: Let's see, report footnote states, "...Nor do the other data reported here include those for the OVP and HSC, which historically have not have not reported quantatively significant data." So what is the all the BIG NEWS here!!
Ralph Nadar founded it way ba
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 13:14 ET by Roger the ShrubberRalph Nadar founded it way back when.
The usual nutty Nadar stuff. Oh, and as a bonus, John Edward's campaign manager, former Mich lib whip in Congress, David Bonior, is an officer.
They get their funding from sources such as:
The Open Society Institute (that alone should tell you enough)
Rockefeller Foundation
The Schumann Center for Media and Democracy (president: Bill Moyers)
The Foundation for Deep Ecology
and other nutty groups like that. Tons of money floating around out there on the Left, yet, somehow, the Right has all the money and the evil corporations...
I wonder why Ding will not re
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 16:08 ET by Roger the ShrubberI wonder why Ding will not reply? could it be because he has no response to my revealing the backers of his "source"? Hmmmm.
When danger readed its ugly head, Dingy turned his tail and fled....
Gee, that's an objective cite
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 14:33 ET by Del DolemonteGee, that's an objective cite. Did Carville and Begala just fax it to you?
To be fair, Cheney is a forme
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 13:07 ET by AtheistRepublicanTo be fair, Cheney is a former ninja.
turtle? Which one? Leonardo,
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 13:12 ET by florida_chadturtle? Which one? Leonardo, Raphael, Donatello, Michelangelo?
'Master of Stealth' huh....So
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 15:25 ET by bigtimer'Master of Stealth' huh....
Sounds Right to me...got a good ring to it..
Wow....I'll be danged....The Today Show finally got something right.
Stealth (adj.)
virtually undetected by radar
Military designed or constructed in such a way and using requisite technology and materials so as to be invisible to enemy radar.
LMAO....the enemy within just can't handle it~!
I voted for GWB twice. I a
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 16:18 ET by WiggyI voted for GWB twice. I am now a registered Independent and pissed at GWB. I think the majority of the problems we face today are because of Dick Cheney. I think the man has way more power than he should.
Wiggy...Oh well....that's lif
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 16:28 ET by bigtimerWiggy...
Oh well....that's life.
Katie Couric, Jr.?
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 16:44 ET by goldenthroatKutie Kelly was nothing short of a prima donna when she was in Cleveland television news years ago and now she thinks, because she works for the Nobody But Clinton network, she can espouse her left-wing bent on news over national TV.
Between her and that pompous Merideth Viera, I don't know which one works harder at sensationalism.
Wielding more power than any vice president in U.S. history...but has the Vice President gone too far?"
Pul-eeeze - someone pass the barf bag!
Never dance on an empty stomach unless it's a liberal.
golden...I agree...she is har
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 16:53 ET by bigtimergolden...
I agree...she is hard to take early in the morning before you have your coffee down...
I see or hear she is going to report ....I click it.
She is such an obvious leftist...plus she wants so much to be somebody BIG in the msm it is almost laughable.... her questions during the Pres. Press Conferences or the WH Press Corp daily briefings are insufferable.
This idiot doesn't know anyth
Mon, 06/25/2007 - 18:46 ET by sembyThis idiot doesn't know anything. First the Washington Post wrote this column so that it could be the news for the day. Who the hell are they? They reveal our national security secrets, put this country in danger, and they are acting like they are on the up and up. Please. This isn't journalism, the defammation of character.
And the ugly witch, Kelly, who doesn't have a clue about anything and has a nerve. Reporters and journalists in the country have become tabloid personalities.
Angers me so much. Cheney has done nothing wrong. But lets look at NBC whose is rapidly declining in ratings and the Washington Post who revealed thanks to Dana Priest about the secret prisons in other countries.
NBC/Washington Post has lost all credibility - and don't forget they owned by the same media giant GE!
And yeah, what about Sandy Berger, why can't they report on that real CRIMMINAL ACT!
Bill O'Reilly is right, NBC SUCKS!