Ha, right, that's just rich. Yes, Hillary will make herself President for life, just like Bill did, and did you also know that Bush personally blew up the WTC?

Get a life. Get over your Hillary Derangement System and focus your anger at the unconstitutionality of the fairness doctrine. You're making yourself look ridiculous.

He tried to explain away his remark by saying what he really meant was that the people on talk radio just didn't understand the details of the immigration bill, blah blah blah.

Pretty unimpressive.

I agree, Noel.  As much as I love and respect Sean Hannity, I've had to ease off a bit from his radio program.  His tone and delivery just get too intense.  I think (as a former radio person myself) you can get across you message and passion without the barking stern tone.  I agree with what Hannity's saying ... It's just his delivery that gets on my nerves sometimes.

Rush, on the other hand, has crafted his delivery so that it's not so grating.  Glenn Beck has a similar manner, but is more prone to handle topics as a comic would.  That makes listening not only easier, but more entertaining.

I presented the idea in the form of a question, Noel, as something to consider...but just for argument's sake:

I didn't generalize and say "all" liberals are dumb or cannot debate well.  Of course, there are many, many who can.  Further, of course, boards like this don't represent the general population.

But I don't think the point he made is about a lack of intelligence.  It's more like laziness and a form of atrophy.   Many (most, even?) liberals are emotionally, not intellectually, convinced that their position is correct, and don't do well intellectually when challenged outside their sphere of belief.    Because they haven't had to support their views, they're unaccustomed to presenting them intellectually.   Talkers like Rhodes and Franken may even recognize that emotional root and believe they must play to it....which could also be why they reject the Rush template.

BTW, I don't know which talkers you listen to, but NONE of those I listen to (around 8-10 overall, on and off) practice any invective.  

I made this point a few months ago and I think it's a great point. 

I used to get off work at 8:00pm every night and driving home I could pick up a station that had the Randi Rhodes show and I would try and listen during my 45 minute commute home.  But I couldn't because all she did was yell, scream, and vomit hate at man, woman and child that was even the least bit conservative.  Even Rush on Friday's during football season takes call's about the upcoming NFL games and "takes a break" I guess you would say, from the political commentary. 

Didn't Bill Press have a show on in LA and he was supposed to be the liberal answer to Rush Limbaugh and it failed worse than a Democratic plan for the poor?

Yes, more civil debate is needed, however for the most part it needs to come from the left as from things that I've heard and listened too, it's the neo-libs that are blowing gaskets and not so much the conservatives.

There is the anger factor. Their humor flops because you have to drink the kool aid, and thereby isn't funny (it has to have a element of truth in it to be funny). Which brings up another reason why it fails...because they are known koolaid drinkers, no one but other kool aid drinkers trust what they say...hence they can't convince anybody to buy their sponsors goods...no sponsors is death to free radio.

I agree, I would also add two things:

1 - Liberals are supposed to be loving and understanding and such and the two you mentioned are neither. Even many true liberals would have a hard time listening to the hate.

Even though I must say that allot of my in-laws must listen because they are very loving and all except when you mention Politics and then it's all repeated sound-bites. I stopped having political discussions with them because I could write their side of the argument for them.

2 - It seems to me that the right has an ability to acknowledge it's flaws and aren't just rabid and rigid like the left.

When I try to listen to Olberman or anyone on the far left it's like their side is perfect. Read David Corn or guys like that. It's like you never hear them criticize their own.

Listen to Hannity or Rush criticize Bush, the only problem when they do it is that the MSM immediately puts their criticisms on the National News.