When it was announced Tuesday that China surpassed the United States as the world’s leading emitter of carbon dioxide, NewsBusters asked, “Will Media Notice?”
In reality, the answer is a mixed windbag, with most press outlets totally ignoring the revelation, and a few actually blaming the problem on – wait for it! – the United States. I kid you not.
However, before we address that stupidity, it first must be relayed that not one of the television news outlets bothered reporting the Chinese CO2 data at all. It appears that television news divisions only feel CO2 is a problem if it’s emitted by American corporations or citizens.
As for the print media, the few that did cover this story either gave it very little attention, or made some fairly predictable excuses for why it’s okay as the planet nears its seemingly inevitable doom at the hands of greenhouse gases for China to be the leading “polluter.”
For instance, the New York Times devoted a total of 83 words to this story in its “World Briefing Asia” section Thursday on page A12 (no link available):
China has overtaken the United States as the top emitter of carbon dioxide, the main greenhouse gas, because of surging energy use in its economic boom, a Dutch environmental agency said. Other experts have estimated that China will not surpass the United States until as late as next year. ''But whether it is 2006 or 2007 is not the key issue,'' said Fatih Birol, chief economist of the International Energy Agency. ''What is key is that China is becoming the world's top carbon dioxide emitter.''
That was all the print-space the Times felt this story deserved.
Alas, that was more than the Washington Post and USA Today devoted to this story, as LexisNexis and Google News searches identified not one word printed about this in those leading papers.
Not one.
Does this suggest that CO2 really isn’t the problem, and that all this focus on U.S. emissions of this gas is – forgive the pun – a lot of hot air?
After all, if greenhouse gases (GHGs) are indeed destroying the planet, given the media’s focus on manmade global warming, shouldn’t it have been front-page, headline, lead story news that the country with the largest population – which has now just begun an extraordinary economic expansion – has become the largest emiitter of CO2 in the world?
Seems not. In fact, the publications that did give focus to the story made excuses for why China should be given a pass for its gas.
For instance, the Los Angeles Times devoted 1032 words to this story, although placed on page A3 (emphasis added):
Even if that already has occurred, China's per capita emissions are only about one-eighth the average for the wealthier industrialized countries of Europe and North America, Birol said. At current projected growth rates, China's per capita emissions in 2030 still will be only one-third those of the West, he added.
Interesting excuse, isn’t it? After all, the alarmists claim that CO2 is killing the planet, correct? And, we need to do everything possible to immediately halt the continually increasing emission of this GHG or low lying areas will be flooded, species will go extinct, and mankind’s very existence on this planet will be in jeopardy.
If this is the case, why are per capita emissions at all relevant? Isn’t this kind of like a homicide division not worrying about finding sole murderers when there are serial killers still at large?
Or, to put this in more of a “green” perspective, should the Environmental Protection Agency only concern itself with the largest polluters, but ignore the greater number of smaller ones?
For example, let’s assume that you have five major corporations dumping hazardous waste into the San Francisco Bay. One of them is responsible for 49 percent of such dumping, while the other four dump the remaining 51 percent shared equally between them.
Should the EPA ignore the four lesser polluters because they’re each only polluting a quarter as much as the largest one? Pretty illogical, isn’t it?
Regardless, isn't comparing per capita emissions specious on another level altogether? If you really want to compare a country's GHG impact on the planet, isn't land mass somewhat more relevant than population?
As such, shouldn't a nation's CO2 emissions as a function of its size be a better way to compare environmental impact on the atmosphere? If that is the case, given that China is "slightly smaller than the US," it now leads America in emissions per acre. Just something to consider that the media choose not to.
Yet, maybe even more preposterous than this per capita emissions discussion was the Associated Press’s take in a piece entitled “China: Criticism of CO2 Emissions Unfair” (emphasis added):
Developed countries are hypocritical for criticizing China's greenhouse gas emissions while buying products from its booming manufacturing industry, Beijing said Thursday.
For those keeping score, that was the opening paragraph:
Foreign Ministry spokesman Qin Gang called China the "world's factory" and said criticism of its increased emissions was unfair.
"The developed countries move a lot of manufacturing industry into China. A lot of the things you wear, you use, you eat are produced in China," he said at a regular news briefing. "On the one hand, you shall increase the production in China, on the other hand you criticize China on the emission reduction issue."
Unfortunately, AP writer Anita Chang, after presenting this incredibly specious position by Gang, chose not to refute it in any way, or quote folks who did. As such, I feel compelled to do her job for her.
To begin with, the piece mentioned that China’s CO2 emissions have been skyrocketing due to, amongst other things, that nation’s “voracious coal consumption.” In fact, “China relies on coal for two-thirds of its energy needs.”
Is this energy exclusively being used for the production of exports, or do inhabitants use electricity as well? Doesn't some of this energy usage go to the creation of products for said inhabitants, or does China export everything it produces?
Chang conveniently chose not to address this.
Furthermore, can every nation get a pass for the CO2 it emits related to exports, or just China?
After all, according to the CIA’s World Factbook, China trailed the European Union, Germany, and the United States in total exports for the year 2006 (estimates all). Shouldn’t these entities also be allowed to reduce their net CO2 emissions by those specifically related to the production and transport of their exports? Or, does only China get such a convenience?
And, doesn't China benefit from all of the money it takes in for selling these exports, or are Chinese corporations giving everything away for free? Don't these export revenues help the economy and result in increased employment and an improved lifestyle for the citizens, or are these people all slaves for western imperialists?
Obviously, such positive economic ramifications were totally ignored by press representatives suggesting that China's economic boom and its resulting increases in GHG emissions only benefit America and the West.
Finally, it is interesting to note how the press all seem okay with China’s growing CO2 problem being related to the strength of its economy. For instance, this from the LA Times piece: “China's emissions have outpaced predictions because the economy has grown faster than expected.”
So, it’s okay for a country’s CO2 emissions to expand if it’s caused by economic growth? Outstanding. Then, why isn’t this also true for developed nations?
After all, the nations of the West still need to expand their economies to feed their citizens. If the media can realize that with increased economic growth in China comes increased GHG emissions, then shouldn’t all countries who are seeing such growth get a pass for increasing their emissions as well?
As the reader likely has concluded, herein lies the real media hypocrisy, for none of this is about CO2 emissions or GHGs. If that was the case, a new national leader in death-causing emissions would have indeed been front-page, lead story news with experts expressing grave concern for the planet.
Instead, the media’s response to this report or lack thereof indicates that they couldn’t care less about GHGs or global warming. This is all about taking down the big bad wolf of western capitalism, and any pretense to the contrary is totally belied by how Tuesday’s China news ended up not being news at all.
—Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters.















Comments Policy
Ahhhhh....When isn't it OUR f
June 21, 2007 - 18:19 ET by bigtimerAhhhhh....
When isn't it OUR fault with the leftist msm...especially when there is President with an 'R' behind his name.
Bush's fault is the norm...no matter the venue here or world-wide.
Even if a Dem gets in power they still blame the repub administration that preceded it.
It do get old.
In fact, the publications tha
June 21, 2007 - 18:27 ET by drillanwrIn fact, the publications that did give focus to the story made excuses for why China should be given a pass for its gas.
Well, not sure one should use the words "pass" and "gas" so close together in the same sentence. ; ^ )
Also, I am so sick of China not being considered a "developing country". Excuse me, but if a country has thousands of multiple warheads that could, in effect, lay to devastating uninhabitable wasteland for decades to come half, if not most, of the planet ... I'd say it's a safe bet that country is "developed".
Drill
June 21, 2007 - 18:34 ET by Noel SheppardDrill,
Ummm...that was the point. :-) ns
: ^ ))
June 21, 2007 - 18:37 ET by drillanwr: ^ ))
Noel, is that a current photo
June 21, 2007 - 18:31 ET by ding7777Noel, is that a current photo of a China Steel Mill? Compare it to smoke pouring into the air from a Pittsburgh steel mill.
Ding
June 21, 2007 - 18:36 ET by Noel SheppardDing,
Interesting. There's actually a lot of ways to view the similarities between pictures. As I've been working on this article for hours and need a break, why don't you tell me your thoughts? ns
Noel, I just wondered about
June 21, 2007 - 18:53 ET by ding7777Noel, I just wondered about the photo. Almost like something from the Pearl Harbor movie.
Did anyone notice that the
June 21, 2007 - 19:07 ET by RESTLESS 1Did anyone notice that the Pittsburg photo is form 1890????
RESTLESS 1 - exactly - smoke
June 21, 2007 - 19:22 ET by ding7777RESTLESS 1 - exactly - smoke pollution control has come along way in the past 50 years, that's why I asked about the photo.
btw - Pittsburgh still looked like that into the 1950's.
Thing is, there was no gl
June 21, 2007 - 20:43 ET by GregEThing is, there was no global warming alarmism going on at that time. Pollution was maybe talked about, but nothing like today's earth ending next week global warming touting. Maybe because we did it, China has a 50 year credit to do it before having to tone it down. Stupid thinking, but we are talking mainstream media here.
China not making top news billing means one of two things.......either those touting global warming as a huge threat really don't believe what they preach........or the whole global warming topic is a creation to only slow down the power of the United States by using a topic so vast that it's hard to disprove (or prove) in any short timeframe, if at all............or maybe it's both things all rolled into one nice whacko package.
I don't think it is a quest
June 22, 2007 - 06:46 ET by RESTLESS 1I don't think it is a question of "either -or". I think it is both. Many poeple, including myself, have posted on other threads links that show that climate change is natural, not man-made, not that big of a deal, and that at the very least, is being use to make a select few very wealthy through carbon credits and other nonsense aimed at getting our money into their wallets. We have also seen how some are using this to erode our autonomy and to strenghthen the "one world government" the left so desperately wants.
Exactly restless.What boggles
June 22, 2007 - 10:58 ET by BinxlyExactly restless.
What boggles the mind is that still MANY people sing praises of these carbon offsets but where is the MSM coverage that this is a private company owned partially by Al Gore? Sure, it is the ultimate pay-off, he can funnel funds, dirty or not, into his 'carbon offsets' to make it look like hes concerned about the environment but at the same time that money just goes through the company selling the offsets and right back into lining his pockets. I'm telling you, I've talked to over 20 people who've had NO CLUE Gore was profiting financially off of these carbon offsets and their reactions have been utter disbelief and re-approaching the topic all together with a more 'real' mindset to my crazy lib friends who wanna have Gore's baby *shudder* and basically will play the 'you can't mock a man I believe in! You have proof he's crooked!? NO! it can't be!! La la la la Imnotlistening la la la.'
Seriously, I hate how liberals play this unfair game of misinformation, given, many conservative outlets such as talk radio and Fox News can sometimes give news via rose colored glass, and downplay the bad and left-supporting aspects of news, but NEVER have they been anywhere *near* as bad as liberals. Conservative news presents ALL sides, but then explains why the left side is wrong. Biased? perhaps. Nowhere NEAR as bad as the liberal approach, 'our story, our side, thats the only thing that matters, screw the other side' and simply OMMITING any part of the story that doesn't jibe with their talking points and agenda.
Conservative radio is biased.
June 22, 2007 - 11:15 ET by RESTLESS 1Conservative radio is biased. Ask them and they will tell you. The difference is that Rush, Sean, and the others will ADMIT the fact that they are Conservative. The left just doesn't have the honesty to admit their bias. Maybe they just don't know they are biased, never seeing the other side of issues, but I doubt it.
Btw, I believe I have herd somewhere, maybe here, that Gore has some oil company stocks as well. Does somebody if this is true?
Ding I can assure you however
June 22, 2007 - 10:51 ET by BinxlyDing I can assure you however, as a PA citzen and living so close to, and working in, downtown Pittsburgh I can say our industrial side has cleaned up immensely. There are initiatives in place now to help keep the rivers clean and seeing any smokestack with even a small percentage of that pollution is pretty much impossible as many many steel plants have gone under in the past 30 or so years. There was a time when Ohio and Pennsylvania men could almost *always* guarantee part of their work life would eventually involve the mill, not so much anymore these days.
Shockingly, you found a pictu
June 21, 2007 - 21:33 ET by Roger the ShrubberShockingly, you found a picture of Pittsburgh from 117 years ago, yet lack the ability to find pictures of China polluting the crap out of their air today? Methinks you are either full of crap, or just plain stupid. I'll leave it up to my NB brethren to decide which, because both options could apply.
Dang it Rog...I was trying to
June 21, 2007 - 21:48 ET by bigtimerDang it Rog...
I was trying to ignore ding and his little post that I saw long ago...then I went to the recent comment section..clicked on you post here...and see I get to make a choice now...
YIPEE....
Both options sound good to me.
Thank you.
I feel better.
How about you stop by Denver
June 22, 2007 - 00:24 ET by UnsaneHow about you stop by Denver or Los Angeles and spend about a week in either city...and then travel to Beijing...in 2007???
(I was in Beijing in 2005 and it easily had worse pollution than I had seen in any American city I had lived in.)
MAKE WAY FOR THE SAN ANTONIO SPURS!!! THE 1999, 2003, 2005, AND 2007 NBA CHAMPIONS!!!!
I guess the MSM thinks that
June 21, 2007 - 19:16 ET by JungusI guess the MSM thinks that with Chinese CO2, the earth starts cooling an hour later...
Time out, Noel. At first yo
June 21, 2007 - 19:26 ET by Dave HighTime out, Noel.
At first your position was that global warming was a liberal agenda/conspiracy to redistribute wealth from the rich to the poor.
Then, when the evidence of global warming became clear, you: A.) mocked it by citing snowstorms and cold spells during global warming conferences and B.) Attributed global warming to sun conditions, solar flares and other “natural” cycles.
Now that the Bush administration has finally acknowledged that global warming is connected to human CO2 pollution, you choose to blame the media for not faulting China for contributing to the problem.
I know conservatives have a hard time moving forward. It is inherent in the word “conservative.” It is why ya’ll can’t accept the theory of evolution. If the Bible says it’s so, then so it is.
Answer me this, if you please. How do you reconcile your head in the sand and ever shifting desert sands positions?
Regards, Dave High
"And then, sadly, there came a man named George W. Bush." Apocalypse Prescript
Noel:Also, where did you get
June 21, 2007 - 19:52 ET by Dave HighNoel:
Also, where did you get that picture? As an intellectually honest person, please tell me that it is a current polutuion emiter in China. You didn't just grap a photo and put it up, did you?
Regards, Dave High
"Grap" is a neocon
June 21, 2007 - 19:59 ET by Dave High"Grap" is a neocon Bushism found in the 2007 GWB "No Child Left Behind" dictionary. It is a mental fart combining the words "grab" and "crap."
Regards, Dave High
"And then, sadly, there came a man named George W. Bush." ApocalypsePrescript
Well, you managed to move up
June 21, 2007 - 20:05 ET by Roger the ShrubberWell, you managed to move up another slot in the standings with this gem of a post, Dave. I see that current events are not your strong suit. That might explain the 3-5 year-old one-liners you like to throw around.
Here's a Time article for you to read. And a pretty picture from the article. I spent a whole 20 seconds to find that article.
I simply googled "China
June 21, 2007 - 20:23 ET by Kristen ByrnesI simply googled "China Pollution" and found hundreds of pages of pictures. Pretty bad ones too.
Yes, but we've all seen fro
July 11, 2007 - 03:02 ET by sarcasmoYes, but we've all seen from the temperature-station story that you have magic teenage-mutant (well, teenage anyway) hyper-journalism powers, singlehandedly exceeding the combined research forces of an entire hysterical news media. ;) This is Dave we're talkin' about, so the bar is set a bit lower...
JMR
I will accept that they can p
June 21, 2007 - 19:53 ET by nnptcgradI will accept that they can predict global catastrophes in 100 years when they can tell me when it's going to rain next month.
Mother nature is a bitch - Ninth Corollary of Murphy's Law
For being such a "forwar
June 21, 2007 - 19:56 ET by Roger the ShrubberFor being such a "forward-thinker", you sure are having a hard time wrapping that bumper-sticker cliche'-throwing brain around the point of Noel's piece. I once thought you were well-equipped in the brains department, but this last post of yours has really lifted you high in the standings among Newsbuster's less-nimble liberal minds.
You see, you have invoked Roger's First Rule of Liberalism: accuse the Right of doing exactly what the Left is doing. You stereotype Mr. Sheppard as a knuckle-dragging, bible-thumping, mouth-breather, yet your examples of Mr. Sheppard "burying his head in the ever-shifting sands" are actually quite the opposite of the truth. For you worship at the altar of The Church of Global Warming, and that zealotry has made you swallow anything your High Priests dictate, which is exactly what you accuse Mr. Sheppard of with your evolution and "current administration" comments.
Congratulation, Dave. You are what you hate. A religious bigot.
RtS:You are not very good at
June 21, 2007 - 20:09 ET by Dave HighRtS:
You are not very good at conversation. I challenged Noel on an intellectual level, using creative writing techniques, and you responded on his behalf as a storm trooper. I admire your loyalty, but not your ability to see past what is directly in front of you.
Hey, I assume you want to know where Noel got the pollution picture as well. Is it an authentic picture of a current day China power plant, or what?
Regards, Dave High
"And then, sadly, there came a man named George W. Bush." Apocalypse Prescript
The problem is, Dave, is that
June 21, 2007 - 20:18 ET by Roger the ShrubberThe problem is, Dave, is that you have missed the entire point about Global Warming, and Mr. Sheppard can fight his own battles, but I saw the obvious hypocrisy of what you are saying, and thought I explained myself rather clearly in my above (or below) post, but apparently you are too busy trying to be cute and clever, er, I mean, CREATIVE, and not actually reading what people say. I see what's exactly in front of me: socialists like you who was to redistribute my wealth using the farce called man-made Global Warming. Oh, and thank you for invoking Godwin's Law so early in the discussion. You probably could have been more creative than that, couldn't you?
RtS:You strike me as a nasty,
June 21, 2007 - 20:28 ET by Dave HighRtS:
You strike me as a nasty, angry fellow. I am overcoming nast and angry. Shall we do a 12-step together?
Regards, Dave High
Dave H....The pollution pictu
June 21, 2007 - 20:33 ET by bigtimerDave H....
The pollution picture was most likely planted by Rove from an undisclosed location.
Big conspiracy dontcha' know.
Did you even understand the point of the article?
Uh-Oh wait a sec...you only read books that have pictures....like the funny pages, or comics.
Regards,
bigtimer
BT:Your best defense/offense
June 21, 2007 - 20:37 ET by Dave HighBT:
Your best defense/offense is to mock me? Hmmmm. What could that possibly mean?
Regards, Dave High
"And then, sadly, there came a man named George W. Bush." Apocalypse Prescript
Oh puhleeeeeeze Dave H....Hav
June 21, 2007 - 20:44 ET by bigtimerOh puhleeeeeeze Dave H....
Have a sense of humor....
....after-all you and I have been back and forth before.
Btw...I am sure you understood exactly what I meant being as smart as you are.
Bet ya got it right off....
Now lighten up...enjoy life a little....
Regards,
bigtimer
BT
June 21, 2007 - 20:56 ET by Noel SheppardBT,
You are quite correct. I got that photo directly from Karl. He and I go waaaaay back. In fact, I get most of my pictures -- and my ideas -- from him. Isn't it obvious? :-) ns
P.S. Those that actually understand computers, and know how they work, would be able to identify that the picture came from that bastion of conservatism, the online editiion of the Encyclopaedia Britannica. But, keep that between us, okay? I want to keep Dave -- who clearly from the uncharacteristic mistakes in his spelling, punctuation, syntax, grammar, etc., etc., has been drinking more than usual this evening -- guessing on this important and earth-shattering issue of where I got the picture from. After all, as you know, to people on the left who, for the most part, possess a below average ability to comprehend what they read, pictures are MUCH more important than text. So, mum's the word, okay?
LOL...My lips are zipped Noel
June 21, 2007 - 21:01 ET by bigtimerLOL...
My lips are zipped Noel.
You can trust me.
I got that photo directly fro
June 21, 2007 - 21:20 ET by dahliatraversI got that photo directly from Karl.
Cool! Has he shown you the weather machine yet ...?
DT
June 21, 2007 - 21:27 ET by Noel SheppardDT,
Shhhh. Quiet. We're trying to keep this from Dave regardless of how drunk he is. K?
Of course I've seen it. But, that's all I can say now. More later when the coast is clear, and there aren't so many obviously inebriated liberals around. K? ns
Have Karl send in a high pres
June 21, 2007 - 21:28 ET by botgHave Karl send in a high pressure system to clear up the coast duh
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
Botg
June 21, 2007 - 21:32 ET by Noel SheppardB,
Which coast? Out here in Northern California, we're experiencing an extremely mild spring/early summer. The weather has been gorgeous, absolutely gorgeous.
But, don't tell the global warming alarmists. We skeptics want them to remain in the heat, and the dark, as long as possible. K? ns
Which ever one you were refer
June 21, 2007 - 21:35 ET by botgWhich ever one you were refering to when you told Dahlia, 'more later when the coast is clear'
"the coldest winter i ever spent was a summer in San Francisco" Will Rogers?
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
}}----> Same here Noel
June 21, 2007 - 21:37 ET by Cool ArrowSemi arid West Texas looks like a rainforest.
Keep talking Al. God's laughing.
But.... I thought Al Gore was
June 21, 2007 - 21:38 ET by Roger the ShrubberBut.... I thought Al Gore was God. Mongo brain hurt!
Cool Arrow
June 21, 2007 - 21:46 ET by Noel SheppardCool,
Raining in drought-stricken Florida, too. But, don't tell anybody! It's Karl and my secret. ns
Having an extremely glorious
June 21, 2007 - 21:40 ET by bigtimerHaving an extremely glorious global warming evening here in Big Sky Country too....
Just delicious.
Shhhhh....
It is summer now and we don't want to let on that it is supposed to be this way.
}}----> Secret Summer
June 21, 2007 - 21:47 ET by Cool ArrowThis must be due to the ill wind that blows no good. The gOracle has gone back to his boudoir to read his entrails. I didn't know he had any.
Sigh. Must we send the black
June 21, 2007 - 21:29 ET by Roger the ShrubberSigh. Must we send the black van to Dahlia's house AGAIN?
There is no such thing as a weather machine.
Or time machine.
Honest.
Rog
June 21, 2007 - 21:35 ET by Noel SheppardRog,
Not true. Karl's got both. Actually, one recent weekend at his house, he took me back to see the Eloi. I even got to eat one. Honestly. Tasted just like chicken. ns
Dammit, Noel. I know Karl has
June 21, 2007 - 21:40 ET by Roger the ShrubberDammit, Noel. I know Karl has told us about the dangers of moving AHEAD in time.. Geesh, read the weekly memos once in a while, will ya?
Rog
June 21, 2007 - 21:45 ET by Noel SheppardRog,
Memos? Memos? I don't read no stinkin' memos! :-) ns
Damn, I keep forgetting which
June 21, 2007 - 21:40 ET by dahliatraversDamn, I keep forgetting which topics have been cleared for discussion.
Noel:I want to congratulate y
June 21, 2007 - 21:46 ET by Dave HighNoel:
I want to congratulate you on a nice slap down. I have been submitting far less to this site because slap downs are inevitable. You used to lecture me on my liberal intolerance, but yet I noticed on this last exchange that you ignored all of my key points; specifically your shifting positions on global warming. You instead decided to attack me personally. Whereas I may “stir things up,” I try to avoid personal innuendo.
Please note: as one of the few liberal counterpoints on this site, I enjoy controversy and challenging conservative thinking. If you choose to slap me down personally, as is your tendency, you and your readership will lose me and people like me. As a contributor for some time, this last statement is self evident.
Lighten up and enjoy the controversy.
Regards, Dave High
Dave
June 21, 2007 - 22:00 ET by Noel SheppardDave,
Slap down? Not at all. I slapped you down about as much as you exposed me shifting positions on global warming. I've shifted nothing.
What you've done -- conceivably in your inebriated state, or just out of disingenuity -- is misinterpreted the changes in position by high-ranking Republicans, and assumed -- without being careful of what happens when people do such -- that I changed with them.
Nothing can be further from the truth, though I understand your current confusion.
So, don't consider yourself to have been slapped down. Quite the contrary. I've just been trying to be as entertaining as you, for I don't believe for a second that you really think I've changed my opinion on this issue, as we both know that there's nothing in my posts to suggest so.
Instead, you've been trying to goad me into an argument, as so many of your ilk are inclined to do. Fortunately, I'm in far too good a mood at this moment, and have become so adept at identifying such that I now choose to just have fun with those who are being so obvious with their malicious intentions.
Make sense? ns
"I “... misinterpreted
June 21, 2007 - 22:25 ET by Dave High"
I “... misinterpreted the changes in position by high-ranking Republicans."
Noel: What does this statement actually mean other than you and others of your "ilk" are changing your positions? By-the-by: Please drop the "ilk" reference. It dates you. Just as “by-the-by” dates me.
Peace, Dave High
Dave
June 21, 2007 - 22:56 ET by Noel SheppardDave,
It means exactly as it reads. You've got Newt making some statements that I don't agree with. And, you've got Bush doing the same thing even though I think he came away from G-8 looking like a genius in the way he played everybody.
In the end, both of these "high-ranking" Republicans are doing things for political reasons. However, I've changed nothing. My view on this issue is exactly the same today as it's been for years. It is you that have read THEIR seemingly conflicting views as pertaining to me.
Nothing can be further from the truth.
In the end, Dave, you really haven't paid attention to what I or other skeptics have been saying about this issue from the start. Much like most Americans, you read and hear exclusively what you want, and ignore what goes contrary to your dogma. In fact, you are so adept at this that you are willing to fight a relative stranger at a message board over a disagreement that really doesn't exist.
As such, I suggest you go back through this global warming blog, with most of the posts being mine, and recognize that I have not changed my views on this important subject one iota. ns
Noel:I honor your skepticism.
June 21, 2007 - 23:15 ET by Dave HighNoel:
I honor your skepticism. I am a skeptic as well; just from the opposite point of view. I was a skeptic of the Bush invasion of Iraq from the very beginning. You are a skeptic of global warming. I was clearly correct in my skepticism. Let us hope that you are correct, as well.
Regards, Dave High
Dave
June 21, 2007 - 23:21 ET by Noel SheppardDave,
Actually, my skepticism might prove more correct in the end than yours, as Iraq isn't finished yet, nor is the war on terror. In reality, we might not know which of our skepticisms was better founded for many years nay decades.
So, don't feel so confident that the current condition in Iraq or the Middle East justifies your skepticism, and I won't view one of the coldest springs in recent memory as justifying mine. :-) ns
Dave High
June 21, 2007 - 22:05 ET by RJTranslation: "I should be the only one allowed to post put downs."
Dave High, your whine would hold more water if you hadn't been, from the day you arrived on this site, posting one put down after another.....your complaint is amusing, though.....
Regards,
RJ
RJ
June 21, 2007 - 22:14 ET by Noel SheppardRJ,
Don't you know that the First Amendment declared that liberals are allowed to say whatever disparaging things they want about conservatives, and, in doing so, they're just being good citizens. BUT, if we conservatives don't respond with praise and thanks for the abuse, we're being mean?
It's funny that you posted this, because after I responded, I was thinking the same thing. Dave comes into this discussion with both barrels blazing at me, and when I respond, I'm the bad guy.
It's really enough to drive one to drink, which, of course, I've avowed from the beginning is what precipitated this absurd nonsense from the start. :-) ns
Ah, the old WIARHSI rule
June 21, 2007 - 22:19 ET by RJAh, the old WIARHSI rule.....
(what if a republican had said it)
Regards,
RJ
Noel:Consider it the complime
June 21, 2007 - 22:32 ET by Dave HighNoel:
Consider it the compliment that it is. I enjoy liberal/conservative controversy as I suspect you do. Life would be far more boring without controversy. Have you ever read a really good book with a happy ending? Bono has said it is almost impossible to write a good, happy song. Welcome the intrusion. It makes life more interesting.
Regards, Dave High
Dave
June 21, 2007 - 22:59 ET by Noel SheppardDave,
See, this is what I mean. You really know nothing about people.
For instance, I'm a man. As such, I'm always interested in a happy ending. ns
Noel:I actually got that last
June 21, 2007 - 23:24 ET by Dave HighNoel:
I actually got that last joke. There may be hope for me after all!
Dave
Thanks for an entertaining ev
June 21, 2007 - 23:26 ET by Dave HighThanks for an entertaining evening.
Regards, Dave High
Dave
June 21, 2007 - 23:27 ET by Noel SheppardDave,
See. It's really not me that needs to lighten up. I'm pretty light. :-) ns
I enjoy liberal/conservativ
June 21, 2007 - 23:41 ET by MightyMouthMM must be correct. Imagine that!
I enjoy liberal/conservative controversy as I suspect you do.
A pile of heaping dung as you only respect liberal views and discard conservative views. Evidenced by your posts on NB. Your "happy book" anology is only your lame to attempt to gain acceptance on NB.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Dave High,I want to congratul
June 21, 2007 - 22:05 ET by Dave RDave High,
I want to congratulate you on a nice slap down. I have been submitting far less to this site because slap downs are inevitable.
Actually, the reason I believe you have been contributing less here is because you don't have any more ass left to lose, given the number of times I have seen boots, shoes and even bare feet impacting it here at NB.
You know, Dave, the thing about you that really irritates the hell out of me is your arrogant, condescending tag line. I mean "Regards, Dave High" is just, well, damned rude.
I'd love for you to come to Atlanta sometime. It would be rather interesting to drive you down to the south side (I'm talking near the airport) and dump you in a convenience store parking lot, then wait for a couple of gang-bangers to approach you (should take about 2.3 seconds) and then observe the results when you utter the word "regards."
Of course, I'd probably have to remove the ol' .45 from the glove box to get you out alive, but it would be damned funny, just as well. :-)
"Regards, Dave High"
June 21, 2007 - 22:37 ET by Dave High"Regards, Dave High" is just, well, damned rude."
As a writer, I sign all of my correspondence this way. It is meant to be a gracious salutation. If you find it rude, I am sorry. What would you prefer?
Warmest Regards, Dave High
Well........that Peace thing
June 21, 2007 - 22:48 ET by bigtimerWell....
....that Peace thing will go over well Dave High.....
Peace,
bigtimer
I have been to Atlanta many t
June 21, 2007 - 22:49 ET by Dave HighI have been to Atlanta many times. I feel safe in urban environments. Atlanta has struck me as a city with a lot of "homeless people" issues, though.
Regards, Dave High
Dave High,I was born here for
June 21, 2007 - 23:35 ET by Dave RDave High,
I was born here forty three years ago. I've never lived anywhere else (save six months I was held POW working for an environmental engineering firm in west Birmingham, Ala.) and I have been working mostly in the surveying/engineering business in just about every part of the metro Atlanta area, as well as the eastern US, since I was nine years old (My dad was an RLS, PE-mechanical and civil, as well as a registered landscape architect and licensed pilot).
Trust me, I've been nearly run down a dozen times, had the cops called on me seven or eight times, been shot at twice, not to mention the times I have had a seriously po'd pit bull nipping at my heels and damn near crashed on take-off from a cow pasture in south Georgia when I was eleven years old in a seriosly overloaded Cessna 172. Believe me, I know the places the Atlanta Chamber of Commerce doesn't put in the brochure.
You'd last about two minutes.
How does the saying go?The de
June 22, 2007 - 06:56 ET by Roger the ShrubberHow does the saying go?
The definition of a Conservative is a Liberal that's been mugged, or something like that...
And the definition of a lib
June 22, 2007 - 07:11 ET by sarcasmoAnd the definition of a libertarian is a conservative who's been indicted...
JMR
}}----> And a Liberal
June 22, 2007 - 07:19 ET by Cool ArrowAnd a Liberal is a Conservative who has been downsized
"I want to keep Dave -
June 21, 2007 - 21:46 ET by ckc1227"I want to keep Dave -- who clearly from the uncharacteristic mistakes
in his spelling, punctuation, syntax, grammar, etc., etc., has been
drinking more than usual this evening"
I suspect the culprit is of a more graphic nature: typing one handed. I'll leave it to everyone's imagination to figure out what he's doing with the other hand. Let's just say he gets really *excited* putting us global warming deniers in our place.
"Roger's First Rule of L
June 21, 2007 - 20:14 ET by Dave High"Roger's First Rule of Liberalism: accuse the Right of doing exactly what the Left is doing."
Credit Rush Limbaugh with this one and then credit him again for turning it around. Rush was genious in this and ya'll still live by it. And you know it.
Regards, Dave High
Credit whoever you like, Once
June 21, 2007 - 20:22 ET by Roger the ShrubberCredit whoever you like, Once again, the Lib buzzwords don't work around here. You have to try a little harder, Dave. You are getting lazy. Time to refesh the ole talking points.
Those most vocal about glob
June 21, 2007 - 20:06 ET by JungusThose most vocal about global warming tend to be the same people that want to redistribute wealth from one person (or country) to another. China is an example of this. Burdening the U.S. while giving China a pass will draw us down while not slowing China at all.
Next you say that "when the evidence of global warming became clear ..." well many of us know that global warming happens. The globe can cool down too so A). we like to point out situational irony like anyone else. And B). most of us still point to sunspot activity coinciding with warming / cooling trends. To this last point I ask if you have ever heard of Occam's Razor? It states that when there is too many variables and unknown in an equation, look for the simplest solution and it is likey the right one.
Since sunspot activity matches warming trends I think the case stil stands. However let us take it a step further. If the Earth is warming, is that a bad thing? The answer may not be no. Now a step further, are humans significantly raising the global temperature? It would be hard to argue yes, even with CO2 production, water vapor is far more prevelent and one to one a far more powerful greenhouse gas. Now let's take it one last step further, How many resources (money, materials, and / or human lives) are we willing to spend to "fix" the climate?
As to blaming the media for not faulting China? I think even you can appreciate that it is no fun being held to a double standard. Is it too much to ask for some consistancy?
I don't see you thinking that thru, you simply made a comment about conservatives. Let me give you another one. Conservative were once named that because they wanted to conserve our forests and streams.
I find that your insults are better directed back at yourself.
Conservative were once named
June 21, 2007 - 20:47 ET by general companyConservative were once named that because they wanted to conserve our forests and streams.
And still do. The hunters and fisherman of this country put more funds in to ecology conservation then any other groups combined.
Gore and his merry band of truthers should be on the very first plane to China. Demanding them to stop giving our planet a fever.
And as China's CO2 emissions
June 21, 2007 - 20:07 ET by Kristen ByrnesAnd as China's CO2 emissions keep going up (along with everyone elses) global temperatures keep coming down (before adjusting for burn barrels, BBQ's, air conditioning exhausts, blacktop, concrete, roofing tiles and HHI AKA Hansen Heat Island effect.)