
A new Hollywood comedy by Judd Apatow called "Knocked Up" is taking heat for its perceived stance on abortion from an unlikely source; the left. The movie is a comedy bordering on raunchiness that is proving a popular diversion this Summer with strong box office takes. It's about a slobish sort of slacker (actor Seth Rogen) who has a one night stand with an incredibly beautiful and together woman (the delightful Katherine Heigl) who's life is on the rise. Unfortunately for her, she gets pregnant. The rest of the movie centers on how these two very different people attempt to get together to have and raise their child... and therein lies the left's displeasure.
You see, the couple decides to keep the baby instead of aborting it. How revolting, eh?
A snippy little review by Anthony Lane in The New Yorker snidely comments upon how Apatow's film is geared towards the great unwashed "conservative" audiences, as if that in and of itself is a disgusting proposition.
Apatow, unlike his hero, is nothing if not careful: born in Syosset, New York, now living in the Los Angeles area, he clearly wants his movies to shock, but not to repel, a conservative audience, and thus the idea of his heroine’s aborting the child is no sooner floated than dispelled.
How dare Apatow "dispel" the idea of killing a baby, even if it is only a fictitious one!
In fact, The New Yorker seems to be disgusted with the entire theme of giving birth. Lane haughtily desparages the film with: "I suppose that, with a baby due, there is no way it was ever going to avoid a sentimental splurge." Here he is obviously turning up his nose at the very idea of a such a "sentimental" thing as a baby's birth.
Slate is no better with reviewer Dana Stevens seeming to insist that no one in an "upper-middle-class, secular L.A" would ever imagine that abortion isn't an option.
Allow me to briefly divagate here on the nonexistence of abortion as an option in Knocked Up. This omission smells of the focus group, and it's a disappointment in a movie that otherwise prides itself on its unsentimental honesty about the realities of unplanned parenthood. It's just not believable that, in Alison and Ben's upper-middle-class, secular L.A. milieu, abortion would not be matter-of-factly discussed as a possibility in the case of a pregnancy this accidental.
Her pedantic use of "divagate" aside, Stevens is amazing because she is such a true believer in abortion that she just can't imagine that anyone else except, perhaps, a knuckle dragging midwestern rube, would ever care about the life of a fetus... or is that an unviable clump of cells? What ever the hip phrase for infanticide is today.
And let us not leave out The New York Times, all the news that's fit to abort, which quickly jumps on the why-not-have-an-abortion bandwagon with a review by Mireya Navarro.
The possibility of not having the baby is never discussed by either woman despite her circumstances. The word “abortion” is never uttered...Though conservatives regularly accuse Hollywood of being overly liberal on social issues, abortion rarely comes up in film.
One interesting portion of Navarro's NYTimes review, however, was a bit shocking for it's unexpected honesty.
While pondering exactly why it might be that movie makers don't show abortion as regularly as she would like, Navarro seems to admit that abortion is unsavory and makes the aborter an "unsympathetic character", revealing that even she knows deep in her heart that abortion is somehow wrong and/or bad.
Perhaps directors of feel-good movies don’t want to risk portraying their heroines as unsympathetic characters.
If I didn't think that Sigmund Freud was such a fraud, I'd say Navarro had a bout with parapraxis... or to be less pedantic, she had a Freudian slip there.
Navarro scolds the movie because conservative anti-abortion advocates are recommending the film for the fact that its characters don't consider an abortion as a viable parenting option.
Some on the anti-abortion side seem to think so. Many conservative bloggers have claimed “Knocked Up” as an anti-choice movie, in part because the movie never presents abortion as a serious option.
Gasp! The horrors!
In any case, each and every one of these political positions parading as a movie review says the same thing about the reason that Hollywood is reticent to highlight the abortion option in their films. They all assume that the box office take would be a bust for a film where expectant Mothers go about killing their babies.
And this begs the question... if abortion is so well accepted by everyone, if it is so matter of factly an option for most "sensible" Americans, why would a movie that reflects that be such an obvious bomb? Could it be because even common folks who accept abortion at some perfunctory level don't want to see movies where Mothers kill their babies? Could it be that even nominal supporters of abortion are uncomfortable with the procedure when all is said and done? Could it also be that far more people are either totally against abortion or are at least are uncomfortable with its moral implications than there are those who easily accept it as a mere choice in life?
In any case, these abortion supporting reviewers seem to be straight forwardly admitting that their blasé views on abortion are in the minority -- making them an awfully small audience -- and this would seem to be troublesome when spending the millions it takes to make a film.
Were I a movie producer, I think I'd like my film to get a wider audience than that tiny fragment of the country who are rabid abortion advocates.
How about you?
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Check the title, liberals.....
June 20, 2007 - 05:26 ET by imau2fanAt the risk of oversimplifying this, Earth to lefties..........
The title of the movie is "Knocked Up." If you abort the baby, don't you also abort the central premise of the movie? 'Cause ya see, she won't be "knocked up" anymore. Get it? I knew that ya could.
I am pretty sure they wanted
June 20, 2007 - 05:40 ET by Warner Todd HustonI am pretty sure they wanted the movie to be called "Vacuumed Out"
Yeah, there ya go....a come
June 20, 2007 - 06:19 ET by motherbeltThere ya go....a comedy about getting an abortion. They could have a bunch of idiot chanting protestors at the clininc, an abortionist who's a drunk and says stupid things like "get the next bitch in here, I got a golf date in an hour"...and a nurse who spends her time in the clinic making Hoover jokes....
It would be the "feel-good date movie of the summer!"
I guess they could have kille
June 20, 2007 - 08:23 ET by lostoneI guess they could have killed the child within the first 30 minutes and the people could have went on to live their individual lives. Then once the girl became a mother, the story could have focused on the emotional problems and guilt she would be having and the realization that she once killed one of her children. A brother or sister to her new child. Or the now married girl found out that she could not conceive a child due to a problem caused by the abortion and the guilt and emotional problems that go along with that story line.
Lostone
Prenatal Guidance Suggested
June 20, 2007 - 08:56 ET by Cool ArrowFor the sequel, it's a couple of years down the road and the child needs a bone marrow transplant. There are no good matches.
This zany couple gets Knocked Up II. They determine the match with "the fetus" is perfect and the closing scene features a halfborn "fetus" giggling and cooing as his skull is punctured and the lifegiving fluid is extracted.
PRENATAL GUIDANCE SUGGESTED (forget parental and paternal)
Anything to keep the 'apolitical' movie reviewers happy
C'mon, get real!
June 20, 2007 - 08:56 ET by Shooter1002That schmuck couldn't get laid in a women's prison with a bagful of pardons, free dope or knockout pills.
Much Shorter Movie.
June 20, 2007 - 11:41 ET by kbworkmanI agree, there wouldn't have been much of a movie if she hadn't "dispelled" the idea of abortion.
I wonder why he used dispelled instead of discarded? Isn't that what abortion is all about?
Make this day a holiday
June 20, 2007 - 05:57 ET by UnsaneWait a minute! A movie, about taking responsibility for actions made of one's own freewill???
MAKE WAY FOR THE SAN ANTONIO SPURS!!! THE 1999, 2003, 2005, AND 2007 NBA CHAMPIONS!!!!
Yes yes, it's a nightmare for
June 20, 2007 - 06:06 ET by liberal_bug_zapperYes yes, it's a nightmare for all liberals for the light to be shined on a subject like this and rather than murdering the child... the persons involved actually become responsible in spite of the difficulties.
It's horrid!
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"We can only reason from what is; we can reason on actualities, but not on possibilities." ~ Thomas Paine
Responsibility
June 20, 2007 - 11:45 ET by kbworkmanSince the liberal mindset doesn't include the concept of responsibility for ones actions yes it is probably very horrid. If you get into trouble, remove the consequences go on with you life and do it again.
MAKE WAY FOR THE SAN ANTONIO
June 20, 2007 - 19:40 ET by QueenMumMAKE WAY FOR THE SAN ANTONIO SPURS!!! THE 1999, 2003, 2005, AND 2007 NBA CHAMPIONS!!!!
Unsane: I will have my crow with a light alfredo sauce, please.
"Wait'll next year." - The motto of the City of Cleveland ;)
We are not interested in the possibilities of defeat. - Queen Victoria
Reading the excerpts of these
June 20, 2007 - 06:03 ET by Andrew H.Reading the excerpts of these reviewers has taken me inside their juvenile, silly PC mind for too long. These people really struggle with themselves.
Liberalism is a convenient lie.
I just have one question -- h
June 20, 2007 - 06:33 ET by ThisnThatI just have one question -- how could anyone want to suffer through this buffoon's movie review? I just read thru it, and need to reach for the excedrin. Ouch. Whatever possessed you, of your own free will, to read this anyway? Do these people actually get paid for writing such drival?
But this "critic" has a good point. Instead of commenting on the actual movie, all critics should start commenting on what the movie isn't. That way, no plots have to be written, and we're in and out of the theater in 15 minutes -- just enough time to sit thru the commercials and buy some refreshments. Think of the turnover -- we could cram dozens of showings per day, instead of the 4 or 5.
For instance, the Halloween movies could be shortened if Jason would have simply planted a bomb when everyone was in the house. Boom! Quick finish. Where were the critics on this one?
And why did the Titanic have to sink so slowly? Now that was a long movie. Shorten it up. Just show the last scene -- no need to worry about all the personalities, or it's launch. Come on critics, start doing your job.
And the Ten Commandments. Just put up a scrolling message -- Not Allowed. I'm sure that the critics in those days could have done a better job of wondering why the ACLU wasn't in the movie, and why the heck anyone would have chosen those particular commandments anyway. And why 10? What's so magic about that number? Those critics probably could have suggested different commandments, I'm sure. And we would have stood in line just waiting to read their reviews.
I really can't stand most m
June 20, 2007 - 09:25 ET by steviep831I really can't stand most movie critics. They think they are way smarter than the reader. This guy probably thinks he should receive a doctorate for perfectly psychoanalyzing the characters. What a shmuck.
I like the idea of the 15 min
June 20, 2007 - 14:07 ET by RESTLESS 1I like the idea of the 15 minute movie. I am usually done with my nachos and soda by then anyway, and those are usually the highlight of most movies .
TnT: Your post is pure gold.
June 20, 2007 - 19:41 ET by QueenMumTnT: Your post is pure gold. I give it two thumbs up and a whoo-hoo!
We are not interested in the possibilities of defeat. - Queen Victoria
Gone With the Wind
June 20, 2007 - 07:30 ET by CrossWiseRangerMaybe these reviewers should get Michael Moore to do another version. He could call it "Sucko."
The climactic scene would be when the baby's head emerges only to have its skull punctured and brains sucked out. They wouldn't even need to use special effects as could surely get great footage with 10 to 20 abortions.
The film could end with a disclaimer that "No animals were harmed in making this movie!"
-- The problem is not that we are ignorant; rather, it is that so much of what we know is not true. --
Thanks Cross Wise
June 20, 2007 - 07:43 ET by Cool ArrowI was going to pitch a script about tick removal and you have to get all PETA on me.
Knocked Up
June 20, 2007 - 07:40 ET by Cool ArrowThough conservatives regularly accuse Hollywood of being overly liberal on social issues, abortion rarely comes up in film
Focus groups? I'm shocked!
I wonder how many women who have had abortions would get a good laugh out of this proposed comedic twist.
This is my first post here. K
June 20, 2007 - 08:05 ET by shannon20This is my first post here. Kinda nervous. It's just so hard to wrap my head around their way of thinking. It just makes me shake my head. I've been coming here for months, and I think NB's is awesome. I have wanted to comment for awhile, it's just hard to think of anything to say when the opposing view is so skewed. I just love to read the comments here, some of you guys are hilarious.
Ah, keep on commenting. Soon
June 20, 2007 - 08:20 ET by Warner Todd HustonAh, keep on commenting. Soon enough you'll be as good a wiseacre as the rest of us! And welcome to NewsBusters!
Thanks Warner.
June 20, 2007 - 08:23 ET by shannon20Thanks Warner.
shannon20,I have been a membe
June 20, 2007 - 08:35 ET by msh1973shannon20,
I have been a member for over a year and I still get nervous when I post. Some who post here are really great thinkers and have a wonderful way of expressing themselves. To comment on what you said about "wrapping your head around their way of thinking"...it just boggles the mind, doesn't it? Enjoy!
Welcome Shannon
June 20, 2007 - 08:43 ET by Cool ArrowGuess I can't say much. I'm not one of the longer members here.
I'm not one of the longer m
June 20, 2007 - 09:01 ET by Jack BauerAnd with a name like arrow too. No feathers attached either I hope?
}}---->Thanks Bauer
June 20, 2007 - 11:29 ET by Cool ArrowHowzabout i go by another nick.
Chilly Dart. }}---->
Please everyone don't be nerv
June 20, 2007 - 14:40 ET by TruthMongerPlease everyone don't be nervous when you post here - you are quite safe - only I know your actual address and telephone number and I still have to wear a monitor bracelet. The helicopters will get me if i try anything again. So letter rip people!!! Have fun with it...
...it was hard but I managed to keep religion out of it:)...
LOL...You're bad TM.......rea
June 20, 2007 - 14:46 ET by bigtimerLOL...
You're bad TM....
...really really bad...
Still LMAO!
Thanks BT - but I may have to
June 20, 2007 - 14:49 ET by TruthMongerThanks BT - but I may have to leave here abruptly and I'd like to wish you well - I'm going to post something deliciously nasty to Leon soon and it might get me banned from NB for life:)...
His utter stupidity is just so damn tempting - it must be the one and only scum-meister himself....must....resist...Satan...
Welcome, Shannon! I believe W
June 20, 2007 - 08:41 ET by Hero SquadWelcome, Shannon! I believe Warner is in charge of sending you the basket full of delicious chocolates, soothing bath salts and fantastic money saving coupons to welcome you to the neighborhood.
Wiseacres? I don't see any of those around here.
*****
"Was it a millionaire who said 'Imagine no possessions?'" - Elvis Costello
Hey I didn't get one of those
June 20, 2007 - 09:03 ET by Airforce_5_OHey I didn't get one of those Hero!!!!
Is this something new we just started?
I Want One!!!!
shannon -- just jump right
June 20, 2007 - 09:00 ET by Jack Bauershannon -- just jump right in and get into a chat with your conservative NBuddies.
There are a few lefty trolls here who lurve to torment themselves by coming to NB and convincing no one to agree with their rather odd views.
They keep regurgitating the same old tripe time after time, so unless one really ticks you off don't even waste your time answering their warped leftist verbiage.
Balboa's okay though.
Call me a wild-eyed optimist,
June 20, 2007 - 09:26 ET by Hero SquadCall me a wild-eyed optimist, but I think there's still hope for Leon, too. He may need to get a little tutoring from Bal on how to engage in meaningful dialogue and debate with opposing viewpoints, but I think he's shown moments of effort in this direction.
*****
"Was it a millionaire who said 'Imagine no possessions?'" - Elvis Costello
Hero,I have had a couple of o
June 20, 2007 - 09:32 ET by Airforce_5_OHero,
I have had a couple of off line chats with Leon. Pretty intelligent and more to the center than left. Has a bigger mistrust of the right then the left but there is hope.
Excellent! I'd just like to s
June 20, 2007 - 09:38 ET by Hero SquadExcellent! I'd just like to see him (and others who are willing) bring more of that "I see your point of view, but here's mine" type of commentary, because it can turn into lively discussion here.
It's the haters we can do without.
*****
"I'm sorry, you must have mistaken me for a clown that gives a damn!" - Sticky the Clown
Hero,I think the major proble
June 20, 2007 - 09:44 ET by LeonHero,
I think the major problem is that if you have a different opinion from the regular group on here, you don't even get the chance to discuss it before you get shouted down and insulted.
Like I've said before, I've learned a lot on here. I still disagree with a lot of stuff, but this has made me more knowledgable and more willing to listen to viewpoints I disagree with. Unfortunately, there are a good number of posters who aren't interested in hearing another side of the debate.
True. But remember, when you
June 20, 2007 - 09:58 ET by Hero SquadTrue. But remember, when you enter the lion's den, you sometimes have to offer the lions some steak so that they don't pounce. It's commendable that you find it more interesting to hang out with the lions. Dangerous, but commendable.
Comments intended to be negatively provocative at the onset put the lions in defensive mode, usually by design. But I think when you post a reasonable question or state a point clearly and without broadbrushed generalizations, you will get more favorable results. I've seen you take both approaches. You are always more effective with the latter.
*****
"I'm sorry, you must have mistaken me for a clown that gives a damn!" - Sticky the Clown
And by all means good luck wi
June 20, 2007 - 15:36 ET by TruthMongerAnd by all means good luck with that you "pro-choicers" - he said in a broadbrushed and generalized sort of way...
...it was hard but I managed to keep religion out of it:)...
No, Leon, the "major problem" is not your "different opinion"
June 20, 2007 - 10:14 ET by RJ(Well, I was going to start with something sarcastic about poor, little, misunderstood Leon being shouted down and insulted, but, being amused with this morning's "nice" persona, decided to play along instead. Just ignore the foregoing.) ;^>
No, Leon, the "major problem" is not your "different opinion." It's your constant taunting. Given that, why on earth would you expect a different response? Either you have a serious memory problem or you're not being honest.
RJ,You have no credibility on
June 20, 2007 - 10:27 ET by LeonRJ,
You have no credibility on this site. You add nothing to any of the debates and you walk around with this deranged sense of personal infallibility (see our discussion the other day about the oversight committee report where you floundered for hours denyng your obvious misreading of my post b/c your hubris is so rampant you couldn't even admit you made a simple mistake).
You fancy yourself as the NB enforcer, but really you're just an embarssment to this site. You routinely write long rambling screeds that are off topic and an intentional attempt to avoid actual debate.
All you do is taunt and personally insult posters you disagree with and then call others out for doing the same thing. fact, I can't remember the last time you put forth a defendeable postion. You embody everything that USED to be wrong with this site.
Fortunately for Newsbusters, you're part of the old guard. The times they are a changin'. People on here are tired of posters like you. The discourse is slowly becoming elevated.
Time to adapt or die my good man.
You're easy, Leon
June 20, 2007 - 10:37 ET by RJOops, there goes today's "reasonable" persona. That took me one post to send Leon back to Trooling with a ranting and rambling attack.
You're easy, Leon.....but, really, you're wound too tight.... ;^>
Well RJ,It's nice to see you
June 20, 2007 - 10:56 ET by LeonWell RJ,
It's nice to see you didn't challenge any of my points concerning you and your behavior on this site.
It's good to see someone, like you, that has accepted what they are.
Just so long as you know.
Nah, I just consider the source, Leon
June 20, 2007 - 11:10 ET by RJNah, I just consider the source and understand that it's mostly projection from a leftist Trool. I have no need to "challenge" childish ad hominem nonsense, Leon.
Say, I heard you beat your mother, Leon. If you don't "challenge" me, it must mean it's true.... ;^>
You were critical of him and
June 20, 2007 - 11:06 ET by florida_chadYou were critical of him and he responded in like form. What did you expect?You must be so proud............
Exactly, chad
June 20, 2007 - 11:18 ET by RJBrilliant, chad. Did you get help in coming to that realization?
The point I made is that your buddy's "nice" persona this morning was just an act. He whined about wanting "reasonable" discussion, even while on other threads he was going on with his normal taunting. I just made an example of his usual behavior.
Thanks for noticing the brill
June 20, 2007 - 12:07 ET by florida_chadThanks for noticing the brilliance. Your response was typical RJ - attack & then get mad when someone replies.
No problem, chad, I'm always willing to cheer
June 20, 2007 - 12:20 ET by RJNo problem, chad, I'm always willing to cheer for brilliance. I've found that you're quite a guy.
Now, please explain how was my post an attack, and how I exhibited anger. Thanks!
You name calling and subtle l
June 20, 2007 - 12:25 ET by florida_chadYour name calling and subtle little digs, its all right your posts RJ.
I just checked, chad
June 20, 2007 - 12:31 ET by RJI just checked the thread, chad, and I don't see where I called you names. But I do see where your first post to me today could easily be seen as an "attack" and a not-so-subtle dig. In spite of that, I responded politely, I think....
Anger I don't see, either.
RJ, a first grader could se
June 20, 2007 - 12:38 ET by The Wicked ConservativeRJ, a first grader could see you started this one with your post at 10:14. Leon responded in a very reasoned counter and you took off with his response calling him a troll. You are being the troll now.
The man with an experience is not at the mercy of a man with an argument.
Tsk, TWC
June 20, 2007 - 12:51 ET by RJTsk, TWC. First grade, eh? If that's the case, what grade are you in, bucko? This particular exchange is with florida chad (your buddy?), and it was initiated by him....making your post a little foolish.
Leon's post (another buddy?) was full of misrepresentations and projections of his own behavior, but, hey, if it sounded reasoned, I guess that's good enough for you.... ;^>
RJ my post was in response to
June 20, 2007 - 12:54 ET by florida_chadRJ my post was in response to your treatment of Leon. WC is on topic. BTW - what is your fascination with "buddies" . I don't know Leon or WC. Neither is on my buddy list? You paranoid or something? Everyone that criticizes RJ must be in on some "buddy" conspiracy?
VRJC : )....
June 20, 2007 - 13:02 ET by vrwc13VRJC : )....
fc....I wasn't going to say a
June 20, 2007 - 13:04 ET by bigtimerfc....
I wasn't going to say anything here because RJ is quite capable of taking care of himself...but I have been reading the exchange and when WC decided to stick his nose in ...I am going to respond now.
Leon is a troll...and a very good one at that....he plays the game with expertise...with a lot of posters here....he has been here long before now, you have been here along time too...I would just ask you to think about it, that is all...he plays people here...and he has done a good job of it.
Period.
Btw....Hater ring a bell?
Hello BT - I sent you a PM.
June 20, 2007 - 13:11 ET by florida_chadHello BT - I sent you a PM.
Lol...Answered already fc.Lat
June 20, 2007 - 13:19 ET by bigtimerLol...
Answered already fc.
Later...
My goodness, chad
June 20, 2007 - 13:06 ET by RJMy goodness, chad. Far be it from me to denigrate your intelligence, but you really do need help in deciphering the thread. Otherwise, you wind up mixing two subjects as you and TWC have done. I suppose there's an advantage, though, when your usual operating style is disjointed....as you've so thoroughly demonstrated in the past.....
As for "buddies", it's a reasonable assumption when two guys jump in....if you're not buddies, maybe you should consider it.....birds of a feather and all that..... ;^>
So posting a comment to you i
June 20, 2007 - 13:10 ET by florida_chadSo posting a comment to you is "jumping in". Wow, I didn't know you were so sensitive.
nope, chaddie
June 20, 2007 - 13:16 ET by RJNot even a little bit....but you like to misrepresent events, don't you? Lying is a sin, chaddie.....
swing and a miss
June 20, 2007 - 13:19 ET by florida_chadNot even close to true - but good try.
"Brilliant Chad. Did you
June 20, 2007 - 12:40 ET by florida_chad"Brilliant Chad. Did you get help in coming to that realization?"
Yes - its always polite to questions a persons intelligence.................
Its your passive/agressive posting style that caused me to not read or respond to your last PM.
Ah, chaddie, isn't it a sin to lie?
June 20, 2007 - 12:55 ET by RJAh, chaddie...isn't it a sin to lie? Even by misdirection?
My PM was in response to the initial PM you sent to me....and you even sent me a second PM before I had a chance to respond to the first....
tsk, tsk, Chad.
It is a sin to lie, so you be careful :^|
June 20, 2007 - 12:59 ET by florida_chadNo misdirection here. We exchanged several PMs, each restating our original positions, until I got tired of it. I didn't read or respond to your last PM. Where is the misdirection?
tsk, chaddie
June 20, 2007 - 13:12 ET by RJTsk, chaddie, you're still sinning by omission. You tried to make it seem as if I inititated the PMs when you sent two to me before I responded....then you got huffy 'cause you didn't like what I said (nothing but a repetition of what I said on the thread) and sorta slammed the door on your way out. Are you saying that if I didn't respond, I would have "won?" Interesting concept, chaddie.... ;^>
RJ - we just completly disagr
June 20, 2007 - 13:14 ET by florida_chadRJ - we just completly disagree about this. I tried to make it seem like what it was.
Well Chad,Looks like you've h
June 20, 2007 - 13:25 ET by LeonWell Chad,
Looks like you've had the pleasure of dealing with the RJ run-around. Sometimes it truly makes my head spin.
I appreciate your posts and you have been 100% correct.
I now pronounce you Troll and "man"
June 20, 2007 - 13:27 ET by RJGreat match! I now pronounce you Troll and "man."
high complitments from the ne
June 20, 2007 - 13:28 ET by florida_chadhigh complitments from the newsbuster pitbull..................
Ugh. Say goodbye to the old
June 20, 2007 - 13:29 ET by LeonUgh.
Say goodbye to the old guard RJ. You, BT, and SportsPolitics have had your fun, but this site no longer revolves around shouting and personal attacks.
Get your sunglasses out because the future is looking bright.
"Come gather 'round people
Wherever you roam
And admit that the waters
Around you have grown
And accept it that soon
You'll be drenched to the bone.
If your time to you
Is worth savin'
Then you better start swimmin'
Or you'll sink like a stone
For the times they are a-changin'."
}}----> Dylan
June 20, 2007 - 13:47 ET by Cool ArrowIt's a trollish coup attempt!
June 20, 2007 - 13:47 ET by RJhahaha! It's a trollish coup attempt!
RJ - you branching out from r
June 20, 2007 - 13:33 ET by florida_chadRJ - you branching out from religious judgments to performing ceremonies?
Branching? RJ loves branch
June 20, 2007 - 13:38 ET by The Wicked ConservativeBranching? RJ loves branching. Unless you're talking about his family tree.
No that's an ad hominem attack!
The man with an experience is not at the mercy of a man with an argument.
Come on, TWC
June 20, 2007 - 13:43 ET by RJMore first grade humor? ;^>
Not all ceremonies, chad
June 20, 2007 - 13:40 ET by RJJust shotgun weddings... ;^>
A shotgun is the only way thi
June 20, 2007 - 13:43 ET by florida_chadA shotgun is the only way this cermonary would happen. :-o
Better tell, Leon, chad
June 20, 2007 - 13:45 ET by RJBetter tell Leon, chad. He seems to be in love with you, and he'll be disappointed..... ;^>
dissapointment = oppurtunity
June 20, 2007 - 13:48 ET by florida_chaddissapointment = oppurtunity to build character
I think he'll be OK............
He still has you to tussel with
Yeah Florida,You're right.
June 20, 2007 - 14:12 ET by LeonYeah Florida,
You're right. I still have to tussel with RJ.
Not too difficult as you've discovered for yourself today.
"with half my brain tied behind my back"
June 20, 2007 - 14:15 ET by RJha. and I do that with half my brain tied behind my back just to make it fair... (the floor is now open for "half-wit" jokes) ;^>
R is short for Rush?
June 20, 2007 - 14:18 ET by florida_chadR is short for Rush?
Hubris?
June 20, 2007 - 12:26 ET by kbworkmanHey Leon. Why do you have to use strange words like that. Why not use inflated ego, or pride so the rest of us know what you're saying? Some of us are just getting comfortable with the dictionary. Or is it the thesaurus. Or is that an extinct animal...
Ha KB, Sorry about that! Ne
June 20, 2007 - 12:33 ET by LeonHa KB,
Sorry about that! Next time I'll be more descriptive :)
Speaking of people that are still getting comfortable with the dictionary, remind me to never go to Texas
Leon, do not be so quick to j
June 20, 2007 - 12:41 ET by vrwc13Leon, do not be so quick to judge. You might want to wait to hear "the rest of the story".
btw: not only is TX a homeschool haven because the government stays out, and TX was the biggest contributor to Katrina victims. Unfortunately, many have overstayed their welcome.
Yeah, logic, reason, facts play less of a role now in the way we make decisions in America. – Al Gore
Thank you vrwc!
June 20, 2007 - 22:53 ET by Free StinkerAnd Mr "I want to Learn" disapears after facts appear.
Thank you vrwc! That can of Troll-Be-Gone did the trick! :-)
Free, facts are fun and usefu
June 21, 2007 - 10:35 ET by vrwc13Free, facts are fun and useful too. Problem sometimes is libs faced with facts respond with "well your'e just stupid". Plus many libs today prescribe to uncle al's mantra: "Yeah, logic, reason, facts play less of a role now in the way we make decisions in America." – Al Gore
btw, you can call me "vr", all my NB buddy's do!
"You routinely write lon
June 20, 2007 - 14:27 ET by RESTLESS 1"You routinely write long rambling screeds that are off topic and an intentional attempt to avoid actual debate."
Leon, personally I respect your posts, though I do not agree with many of them, but please, do not accuse someone of posting long, rambling screeds in the middle of a LONG, RAMBLING SCREED. ;>)
'tis true, RESTLESS
June 20, 2007 - 14:36 ET by RJ'tis true, RESTLESS, and funny, too. I pointed out the same thing, but Leon didn't seem to see the ironic humor.....
Leon: You're wrong about RJ.
June 20, 2007 - 19:54 ET by QueenMumLeon: You're wrong about RJ. You must just rub him the wrong way. RJ likes to tell it like it is. And he does so in a succint and intelligent manner. JMO I don't know you very well. I'm not really what you'd consider a "regular", but I've been a member for a year or so. I tend to come and go at this point in time. But I have a good deal of respect for RJ. And I find it childish of you to suggest that his time has come and gone and arrogant for you to suggest that you somehow represent NewsBusters and/or the "people on here".
Sorry I had to say this. I do enjoy your company.
We are not interested in the possibilities of defeat. - Queen Victoria
Yeah we've had some good disc
June 20, 2007 - 09:40 ET by LeonYeah we've had some good discussion Airforce.
Again, I disagree with most of the NB's on social issues, but for the most part, we all agree on one thing:
We hate incompetence. Regardless of what party it comes from.
Take lessons from Balboa?Nah,
June 20, 2007 - 09:36 ET by LeonTake lessons from Balboa?
Nah, I don't want to be a one line joke master.
Balboa used to debate, but you guys neutered him. Now he just goes around making lame jokes. Pandering to the regulars.
He's forgotten why he came here in the first place.
Meow!*****"I'm sorry, yo
June 20, 2007 - 09:38 ET by Hero SquadMeow!
*****
"I'm sorry, you must have mistaken me for a clown that gives a damn!" - Sticky the Clown
Hero, it's the truth. I used
June 20, 2007 - 09:41 ET by LeonHero, it's the truth.
I used to like Balboa but he decided it was more important to make friends than to maintain his principles.
I wouldn't judge Bal too har
June 20, 2007 - 10:03 ET by Hero SquadI wouldn't judge Bal too harshly, nor suggest he's sacrificed his principles. When someone changes their position, if you disagree with the change it's called "sacrificing your principles," while if you agree with the change, it's called "growth."
Besides, Bal probably knows that people tend to listen to their friends more openly.
*****
"I'm sorry, you must have mistaken me for a clown that gives a damn!" - Sticky the Clown
One difference with Bal and
June 20, 2007 - 10:08 ET by sarcasmoOne difference with Bal and some others on the left is that occasionally his punches actually land. And principles are important, because otherwise inconvenient people like me start saying: "you're a hypocrite," no-matter which side of the political aisle you support.
JMR
Sarc, now that is funny.
June 20, 2007 - 10:18 ET by Airforce_5_OSarc, now that is funny.
Oh, but for once I'm seriou
June 20, 2007 - 10:21 ET by sarcasmoOh, but for once I'm serious! :)
JMR
I think he hit his head a lit
June 20, 2007 - 10:25 ET by Airforce_5_OI think he hit his head a little to hard.
Bal is a good "listener&
June 20, 2007 - 20:11 ET by QueenMumBal is a good "listener" and seems to carefully consider both sides before making a statement. Sometimes he agrees and sometimes he stands his ground. Just because he is able to get his point across calmly and succinctly, doesn't mean he has nothing to say.
We are not interested in the possibilities of defeat. - Queen Victoria
Hey, whoa, hold the phone,
June 20, 2007 - 10:16 ET by balboaHey, whoa, hold the phone, Flipper. I just never believed the premise that you have to hate the other side while disagreeing with them.
Bal,I mean, hey, no offense,
June 20, 2007 - 10:29 ET by LeonBal,
I mean, hey, no offense, it's just one stranger's opinion.
<waiting for the fight to
June 20, 2007 - 09:45 ET by Airforce_5_O<waiting for the fight to begin>
What's there to fight about?H
June 20, 2007 - 09:47 ET by LeonWhat's there to fight about?
He knows I'm right.
I just want to see bals respo
June 20, 2007 - 09:53 ET by Airforce_5_OI just want to see bals response. And that is called a joke!!!!!!!!!!!
I know how you feel
June 20, 2007 - 10:16 ET by shawn228Hey Leon,
I know how you feel. I have been through it too. Does it feel anything like this? "warning video is not for the faint of heart"
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=06b_1181010485
Okay, lets not turn this into
June 20, 2007 - 10:29 ET by Airforce_5_OOkay, lets not turn this into a pity party now guys and please clean up the mess shawn.
Move along folks, nothing to see here.
That was awesome! Not beca
June 20, 2007 - 10:31 ET by The Wicked ConservativeThat was awesome! Not because I hate cows or love tigers, but because it would make PETA so pissed! Couldn't do that in America.
If it's any help shawn, I'd never consider you tiger fodder. I see you more like this!
just kidding around
The man with an experience is not at the mercy of a man with an argument.
How dare you Wicked Con
June 20, 2007 - 22:42 ET by shawn228How dare you Wicked Conservative!!!! You forgot my roach clip:)
Man shawn! You were right w
June 20, 2007 - 10:58 ET by LeonMan shawn! You were right when you said that video was not for the faint of heart!
Nice morning viewing material :)
Glad to have you aboard. An
June 20, 2007 - 09:32 ET by steviep831Glad to have you aboard. And a very belated welcome. Hope you have a nice stay...
And yes, it is mind boggling to read comments from the left sometimes. I rationalize it; however, by understanding most on the left are deranged! You can't expect sick people to make rational comments, can you?
Welcome to the asylum where t
June 20, 2007 - 09:38 ET by Airforce_5_OWelcome to the asylum where the patients are in charge. Enjoy the ride.
shannon20,Welcome to NB. Don'
June 20, 2007 - 14:38 ET by Dave Rshannon20,
Welcome to NB. Don't be nervous, as most here are good people, but watch out for Monty, because he bites.
It's just so hard to wrap my head around their way of thinking.
LOL-Actually, I advise against trying that too often, as it is tends to be awfully painful.
Well I think the critics have
June 20, 2007 - 08:45 ET by jdhawkWell I think the critics have a point, divagate, aside. The movie's plot ought to revolve around abortion - a late term abortion. It could have close ups of the procedure in living . . . er dying technicolor. Then, with the appropriate smuggness only a big city critic could muster, the comments could rate the authenticity of the procedure, ponder what happens to the "refuse," whether a sequel will follow about same, etc.
Why have make believe horror flicks? This could be a movie genre in an of itself. I can see the movie titles now: "Night of the Killed Abortion - Really Late Term!", "1.5 Million and Counting (in 2007 alone) - And We Call Ourselves Human?", and "Aborted Fetuses - the New Soylent Green."
Where are the Weinsteins when you really need a sicko movie?
Just for a second, could you
June 20, 2007 - 08:51 ET by Hero SquadJust for a second, could you imagine if that was how they ended the movie. For 88 minutes they go on this comedic ride of the pitfalls of preparing for the joys of parenthood, get ready for the exciting yet terrifying arrival of a new life, then instead opt to have an abortion, and return to their lives as if nothing ever happened.
The shock of "Why did they do that?" and the appalling selfishness of that action might actually do more to shed light on why many of us are Pro-Life.
*****
"Was it a millionaire who said 'Imagine no possessions?'" - Elvis Costello
Does this buffoon realize tha
June 20, 2007 - 09:00 ET by Airforce_5_ODoes this buffoon realize that abortion is never an option for a lot of people? I mean come on use some common sense. Look at the movies name jackass. Plus it is a flipping comedy not a serious movie about social issues. Since when is abortion funny?
"Well dear I thought about killing the baby today before it is born." Cue the laugh track.
WOW! That really works.
Knocked Up!
June 20, 2007 - 09:29 ET by mdgilesHere's a better question, why don't all those Hollywood types start living what they preach. Every other day some star and or her, significant other announces the eminent arrival of an offspring. Given how much their careers mean to them, why aren't they shouting to the world that she just decided to have an abortion. Why haven't Angelina Jolie, or Jessica Lange, or Susan Sarandon saved themselves the "trauma" of having to deal with an illegitimate birth.
Hey thanks everyone. I'm wati
June 20, 2007 - 09:42 ET by shannon20Hey thanks everyone. I'm wating on that basket. I know about the whole troll thing. I think I'm related to one. My father inlaw. He's always sending us 911 truther links, Michael Moore movielinks and anything having to do with Bush/Cheney being the devil. He gets his information from John Stewart and looney left wing blogs. I used to get suckered in, now I just do not respond. He actually accused me of deleting his propaganda so his son(my husband) can't read it. I don't have the heart to tell him that his son thinks he is crazy!
Oh that's too rich shannon.
June 20, 2007 - 09:51 ET by The Wicked ConservativeOh that's too rich shannon. Now even YOU are part of the conspiracy. HA! Thanksgiving must be a riot. Next time check your turkey for detonation squibs before diving in.
The man with an experience is not at the mercy of a man with an argument.
So I guess you'll be getting
June 20, 2007 - 09:56 ET by Airforce_5_OSo I guess you'll be getting "Sicko" on DVD for Christmas this year from dear old dad?
Isn't family wonderful?
He actually did give us F911.
June 20, 2007 - 10:32 ET by shannon20He actually did give us F911. I got rid of it and "The Ring". Both movies scare the hell out of me, just for different reasons.
Hell Yeah, It's always a blast when he comes up from Florida. I feel like I'm in a prisoner of war camp the entire visit.
And this begs the question...
June 20, 2007 - 09:37 ET by Challenger GrimAnd this begs the question... if abortion is so well accepted by everyone, if it is so matter of factly an option for most "sensible" Americans, why would a movie that reflects that be such an obvious bomb? Could it be because even common folks who accept abortion at some perfunctory level don't want to see movies where Mothers kill their babies? Could it be that even nominal supporters of abortion are uncomfortable with the procedure when all is said and done?
Could it be that if the child was aborted, we wouldn't have a movie?
Be sure to get your daily Fred Thompson Fact!
There was a movie in 2004 abo
June 20, 2007 - 09:45 ET by Hero SquadThere was a movie in 2004 about an abortionist, "Vera Drake." It pulled in almost a whopping $13 million at the box office worldwide.
"Knocked Up" is at $98 million, and hasn't been released to the foreign markets yet.
The verdict is in: People prefer movies about having babies over movies about people prefering not to have babies.
*****
"I'm sorry, you must have mistaken me for a clown that gives a damn!" - Sticky the Clown
}}---->Abortion and Radical Math
June 20, 2007 - 09:50 ET by Cool ArrowCan't you just see it in a Public School Radical Math book.
Jenny has had sex with three football players, two rappers, and one meth head at a lipstick party gone bad. She is now pregnant. What is the probability the father is a football player.
That's right, 0% An alert school counsellor directed her to a free clinic.
^5 CoolOn the money as usual.
June 20, 2007 - 10:00 ET by Airforce_5_O^5 Cool
On the money as usual.
I give credit where credit is
June 20, 2007 - 09:51 ET by mikejI give credit where credit is due Warner.
The only post I've seen that has used the "pedantic" not once, but twice! Only other place I've seen that was on Sienfield.
"It can be pedantic! It can be pedantic!" - George Costanza
"I find this meatloaf
June 20, 2007 - 09:55 ET by The Wicked Conservative"I find this meatloaf shallow and pedantic"...Peter Griffen
The man with an experience is not at the mercy of a man with an argument.
Well, were I a better rhetori
June 20, 2007 - 10:13 ET by Warner Todd HustonWell, were I a better rhetorician I'd have reveled in a higher lexiphanicism and overawed with my bombast. But I wrote the thing awfully early and was too tired to conflabulate my rhetoricizations... OK, I admit it. I made up those last two words. I am just too much into antidisestablishmentarianism, I guess.
The Sunday Boston Globe (17 J
June 20, 2007 - 09:54 ET by ThisnThatThe Sunday Boston Globe (17 June) has a parallel article, "Studios choose to play it safe", written by Ty Burr. He starts is off "They're keeping the baby. The movies are, that is. Abortion is one of the last taboos in mainstream American film -- a no-flyover zone of many years' standing. No matter how realistically presented, it's just not something that's done if you want to keep the sympathy (and ticket sales) of multiplex audiences.". He's talking about 3 movies: "Mr. Brooks ," "Waitress ," and "Knocked Up".
He says "the matter has more to do with the studios' terror of giving offense than active sermonizing".
In other words, the studios are terrified of offending moviegoers, and that's why they are "choosing" to not "abort".
He goes on with his scolding: " 'Knocked Up' is honest enough at least to raise the possibility of ending a pregnancy -- a procedure that, last time anyone checked, was still legal in this country -- but it can only speak in code".
As you can see, he really is upset about the whole matter of not only keeping the baby, but not even having an honest, every-day conversation about the "choice". After all, it's 'legal' -- but I guess keeping the baby isn't legal, or at least isn't "as legal", huh?
The bottom line from this jerk is -- hey, abortion is the going concern, not "birth", so movies need to get with the program here -- more killing. What morons.
Remember Fast Times at Ridgemont High?
June 20, 2007 - 21:21 ET by JR"Abortion is one of the last taboos in mainstream American film"? What a maroon!
Apparently, the bozo never saw films like Fast Times at Ridgemont High or Last American Virgin. In Fast Times one of the characters has an abortion and acts like it's no big deal. In Virgin the main character helps his "dream girl" get an abortion and takes care of for awhile afterwards, only to see her go back to her loser boyfriend at the end. These movies were released in the early 80s.
I don't know if she "acts lik
June 20, 2007 - 21:26 ET by balboaI don't know if she "acts like it's no big deal." It's not like she was whistling dixie on the way out of the clinic. I'd love to interview Cameron Crowe about it.
You're right, balboa
June 20, 2007 - 21:30 ET by JRSorry, "no big deal" isn't accurate. She did act a little bummed leaving the clinic and when she saw her brother.
FYI, this movie is NOT a poli
June 20, 2007 - 10:25 ET by balboaFYI, this movie is NOT a political message about anything. It's a funny movie about a guy and a girl and the unplanned pregnancy and how they deal with it. Fini. People are trying waaaaay too hard to make it a statement about this or that. It's a funny movie. Period.
I love how left leaners work.
June 20, 2007 - 10:30 ET by Warner Todd HustonI love how left leaners work. No "people" aren't trying "waaaaaay too hard" to make it a political statement. LEFTISTS are. I am merely pointing it OUT.
But it is just like you not to be able to put blame where it belongs and make it a case of "everyone does it"!
You misunderstand me: I'm a
June 20, 2007 - 10:42 ET by balboaYou misunderstand me: I'm agreeing. Leftist nutballs are trying to twist it into anti-Pro Choice, while righty goofballs are claiming victory for the Pro Life movement.
"Leftist nutballs"
June 20, 2007 - 10:44 ET by MightyMouth"Leftist nutballs" "righty goofballs" ??
uh, where do YOU fit in there bucko?
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Pleasantly averaging out to
June 20, 2007 - 10:50 ET by balboaPleasantly averaging out to middle of the road. :-)
Clowns to the left of me, j
June 20, 2007 - 10:52 ET by sarcasmoClowns to the left of me, jokers to the right...
JMR
Now let's get that ear off.
June 20, 2007 - 10:53 ET by balboaNow let's get that ear off...
Bal, you forgot the gas can a
June 20, 2007 - 19:37 ET by Roger the ShrubberBal, you forgot the gas can again. Sigh.... It's in the trunk. I'll get it.
I see. Then we are agreed.
June 20, 2007 - 11:35 ET by Warner Todd HustonBalboa,
I see. Then we are agreed on this one.
Yup. And it's a shame becau
June 20, 2007 - 11:53 ET by balboaYup. And it's a shame because they're taking away from a truly hilarious movie. Best thing I've seen this summer.
Bal, your dark sense of humor
June 20, 2007 - 10:34 ET by JABBal, your dark sense of humor should be of concern for your own intellectual (in)stability.
"Too bad Ignorance isn't painful..."
You can see how the left want
June 20, 2007 - 10:47 ET by winston smithYou can see how the left wants to control public opinion and discourse through television and motion pictures. Here we have a liberal writer with a political axe to grind and will denigrate a movie based on some obscure political reasoning. Meanwhile, you also have the gay left attacking Travolta's new movie, simply because he is a Scientologist and Scientology attempts to cure an individual of his homosexual obsessions ---- therefore the movie is somehow "anti-gay".
I have always believed that movies and television have, over the past few decades, evolved into yet another venue for liberal/left propagandists and I think I am being proved correct.
Hi Winston,Good post. My wi
June 20, 2007 - 11:08 ET by Darth DutchHi Winston,
Good post. My wife and I actually went and saw the movie. It was as raunchy as they come and I can't recommend it, but it did have some really funny moments. The thing that cracks me up about these writers and their political axe to grind about the movie is their claim that it is trying to appeal to conservatives. PLEASE! Not once did my wife and I say "wow, I'm glad they didn't abort the baby; what a good conservative movie". When we left the theater, we acknowledged how bad it was and was against our values. We didn't say "score one for the conservatives!".
Dutch
I went to see the 20th Annive
June 20, 2007 - 12:03 ET by TeamcheeserI went to see the 20th Anniversary showing of "Dirty Dancing".
Indeed, they do use abortions in movies sometimes, and even though the aborting "doctor" botched it badly, Baby, who got the money for the dancer who "needed" the abortion was played up as the hero.
Amazingly, the words "abortion", "fetus", or "baby" were never uttered... well, okay "Baby" was uttered hundreds of times ("Nobody puts Baby in a corner!") but you know what I mean. the abortion was never discussed.
Of course parenthood or adoption were never discussed either.
20 years is a long time. I was a kid when that movie came out. I don't think I ever realized what was going on. As an adult, it was like watching the movie for the first time and it actually made me sick.
There was also a pretty obvious slam against Ayn Rand's "The Fountainhead" but I won't get into it... cheap shot though.
So it's perfectly fine to m
June 20, 2007 - 14:54 ET by wiwfSo it's perfectly fine to make a movie "Death of a President" while Bush is still in office, but to make a COMEDY about getting knocked up and leaving abortion out of the picture? Hell is unleashed.
EGO EGO EGO
Whose ego are you referencing
June 20, 2007 - 16:57 ET by TeamcheeserWhose ego are you referencing? Who said anything about "Death of a President" being fine? Who unleashed hell? Why is your post under mine?
Eek. Eek. Eek.
I feel your pain, Team. Watch
June 20, 2007 - 19:35 ET by Roger the ShrubberI feel your pain, Team. Watching "Dirty Dancing" the first time made me sick, too!
True Confessions
June 20, 2007 - 20:18 ET by QueenMumHey Roger. I love that movie. I watch every "Dirty Dancing" marathon on T.V. that I can catch. Although I must confess, it's begun to lose its appeal since I've had a chance to see what Patrick Swayze looks like now. BTW, I think "Ghost" was one of the sexiest movies I've ever seen. Must be a girl thing.
As regards the topic at hand: How stupid. Talk about spin.
We are not interested in the possibilities of defeat. - Queen Victoria