Well, sports fans, it happened before most analysts and scientists have been predicting: China has officially surpassed the United States in CO2 emissions.
This, of course, was always a matter of when rather than if, but still raises a question as to when and if America’s media will share the news.
Regardless of the answer, England’s Guardian Unlimited reported Tuesday (emphasis added throughout):
China has overtaken the United States as the world's biggest producer of carbon dioxide, the chief greenhouse gas, figures released today show.
The surprising announcement will increase anxiety about China's growing role in driving man-made global warming and will pile pressure onto world politicians to agree a new global agreement on climate change that includes the booming Chinese economy. China's emissions had not been expected to overtake those from the US, formerly the world's biggest polluter, for several years, although some reports predicted it could happen as early as next year.
The article continued:
But according to the Netherlands Environmental Assessment Agency, soaring demand for coal to generate electricity and a surge in cement production have helped to push China's recorded emissions for 2006 beyond those from the US already. It says China produced 6,200m tonnes of CO2 last year, compared with 5,800m tonnes from the US. Britain produced about 600m tonnes.
Assuming American media outlets do cover this tonight on the airwaves and in tomorrow’s papers, will there be any mention of the wisdom demonstrated by President Bush to not participate in any CO2 emissions reduction plan which does not include China?
Or, am I kidding myself?
Stay tuned.
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No fair! There's more Chine
June 19, 2007 - 14:13 ET by Dave in TexasNo fair! There's more Chinese than there are Americans. Per person, we still reign supreme! I know I'm doing my part. I exercised this morning and produced a lot of CO2. Quite a bit of H2O as well.
What a relief...global warmin
June 19, 2007 - 14:29 ET by TruthMongerWhat a relief...global warming is good now...or maybe non-existent again...the libs will let us know either way...maybe both...they can do that too...or it never happened at all - if we could just see it in a film somewhere...etc..etc...
...it was hard but I managed to keep religion out of it:)...
Maybe algore inc. can make a
June 19, 2007 - 14:34 ET by bassndudeMaybe algore inc. can make a new movie, call it an inconvient fact. Or maybe he can get China to sign kyoto and get those chinese to quit exhaling.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
Yeah, plus China has an unfa
June 19, 2007 - 14:33 ET by dahliatraversYeah, plus China has an unfair advantage - they aren't hampered by a lot of annoying environmental laws.
In a glaxy far, far away...
June 19, 2007 - 15:20 ET by TruthMongerI can't wait for China to get their aircraft carriers going soon...and then they can start patrolling the globe...and doing their usual Chinese things...
And then the batphone rings in the oval office, as usual:
"This is the operator - we have an obscenely expensive long-distance collect call for you - will you accept the charges?"
"Absolutely a pleasure!"
"Hello...evil hated Americans?"
"...yes?"
"This is a fairly affluent country that spends no money on our own military..."
"Why yes, so good to hear from you again!"
"I know we usually bad-mouth you all over the globe but can you please send your Navy, Marines, Army, and Airforce to stop the Chinese from bullying us around?"
"It will cost us billions and we would certainly be accused of imperialistic Hitlerism, so we would be very happy to of course. Do you have any oil to compensate for this at all?"
"Yes but we won't give you any if you succeed."
"Fantastic. That way the libs can accuse us of another oil war and do all kinds of demonstrating - which is nice for them because they really have nothing of value to add to our society at present, and it really gives them a sense of purpose, you know...?"
"'We're in a bit of a rush - can you jerks please get a move on?"
"Looking at my calendar it looks like we can be there after about a 14 month buildup, and we also need to get the UN to condemn us, but that's become alot easier ever since the terrorists took over..."
"Just get your decadent western ass in gear and get on it. What's that, honey?Oh yes...and we also demand a side order of your nuclear technology - cuz we're going to blow your ass out of the water just as soon as we can get some ICBM's going..."
"We'll see you soon, thanks so much for inviting us! Ciao for now..."
To be continued ad nausem...
If you were to believe the hy
June 19, 2007 - 15:33 ET by danboIf you were to believe the hysterics. What's importand is not the proportional but the total CO2 production.
If we were to do it on a proportional bases? Al Gore should never be allowed to get on another airplane. And be forced to live in a tent. He's already used up the lifetime carbon footprint of a number of people. Possibly a good proportion of a few countries.
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.” H.L. Mencken
At least they are GREEN eno
June 19, 2007 - 18:22 ET by upcountrywaterAt least they are GREEN enough to ride bikes, breathing in all that smoke helps reduce dust levels.
IRANIAN URANIMUN, how much did they make today?
Dave, I'm doing my part, too!
June 19, 2007 - 21:46 ET by MikeBDave, I'm doing my part, too! This evening I had beans (lots of beans) and beer for supper. So, there you are right there: methane (lots of methane) and carbon dioxide. If enough of us do this, we might get rid of a bunch of libs due to heat-stroke.
"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." Ronald Reagan
Well as Jim Neighbors playing Gomer Pyle would say...
June 19, 2007 - 14:29 ET by c5thenSurprize, surprize, surprize.
The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic
Guess what's next folks Chi
June 19, 2007 - 14:35 ET by MightyMouthGuess what's next folks: Chinese Cars!! Do you think they will meet the US requirements for pollution?
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
MM - I'd rather get my hands
June 19, 2007 - 14:49 ET by FastEdMM - I'd rather get my hands on a Tata. With a chicom car, once you get to where you're going, 15 minutes later, you have to get somewhere else.
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
Yes, but with chicom car, y
June 19, 2007 - 14:57 ET by MightyMouthYes, but with chicom car, you get fortune cookie!
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
And with six, you get eggroll
June 19, 2007 - 21:51 ET by Scout FinchAnd with six, you get eggroll!
I'm sure the media will notic
June 19, 2007 - 15:08 ET by mattmI'm sure the media will notice, and have noticed everything on practically every issue. The questions are: will they cover it, and if they do cover it, to what extent, and how will they slant it?
The MSM won't cover it becaus
June 19, 2007 - 15:29 ET by Dave RThe MSM won't cover it because, as we all know, the only bad pollution on this planet is Amurrican pollution.
Bush Fault
June 19, 2007 - 16:16 ET by acumenFirst China exports poison toothpaste, killer cough-syrup, tainted pet food to the world. Well, accidents will happen. But now....gasp.....biggest producer of polluted air? Better sit on this one demedia. Don't want to upset your political party's biggest contributor. Oh my, algore must be in a real quandry over this unpleasant development - best hop on Air Force One Square stat to consult with Buddhist nuns about damage control. I can just hear them now; No problem Jet Hopper, you make appendix to new book. You say if you no had election stolen, US still be number 1 polluter - Bush fault, not Chicom....
The angle/spin on this story
June 19, 2007 - 17:06 ET by SMGalbraithThe angle/spin on this story - if it's reported - will be that Bush's failure to sign on to Kyoto (or, more accurately, to push for ratification) gave the Chinese a free hand to not limit their CO2 emissions.
Bush's failure to lead, in other words, gave a green light to China (e.g., recall the anti-satellite test that China conducted? Bush was to blame).
There is, after all, no free moral agency in the world. Everyone acts - or doesn't - because Bush - a sort of reverse deus ex machina, if you will - is engendering all of the world's ills.
I constantly wonder what the
June 19, 2007 - 19:06 ET by USnotU.S.I constantly wonder what the real Americans think. What do the educated, level headed, non-whacko's think, when they stumble on here and read the things you all scrawl?
You are embarassing your fine nation!
China has 5 times your population, and a rapidly growing economy. Until now, it has done little damage to the world, compared to it's immense size. The West has done vast damage for 100 years, and guess who's right up there?
PS. How many of you can sit there and honestly tell me you didn't buy something made in China this week?
snotUS...care to elaborate
June 19, 2007 - 19:12 ET by LionKing"The West has done vast damage for 100 years..."
Care to elaborate.
[Chinese apologist. Forget all of their human rights violations, trade deception, patent violations, copyright violations, etc. China is growing economy...using slave and prison labor, subsidized with drug money and counterfeiting. I can see why you are in love with China.]
As I said, the real Americans
June 19, 2007 - 19:19 ET by USnotU.S.As I said, the real Americans must be really embarassed. This is the WORLD WIDE WEB. Keep going. You're funny!
I wouldn't make too much noise about any of the subjects you mentioned if I were you. The US can pin most to it's name over the years; starting with slavery.
Did I say I was in love with China? No. Just stating facts.
Why are you so touchy?
Snotty,seeing that your crimi
June 19, 2007 - 19:25 ET bySnotty,
seeing that your criminal forebares stole a sub-continent i would suggest a return to Perth to retify the situation
botg, snotty claims to be an Aussie living in England
June 19, 2007 - 19:30 ET by RJbotg, snotty claims to be an Aussie living in England....considering that Aussies are pretty decent people, I'm thinking snotty got kicked out
oh...thought it was uk...No o
June 19, 2007 - 19:33 ET by TruthMongeroh...thought it was uk...
No one in their right mind moves from OZ to the UK...
Most likely got kicked out --
June 19, 2007 - 19:33 ET byMost likely got kicked out -----true. btw i did say criminal forebares, sub-continent, return to Perth, all Australia references
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
It sounds like snot is on the
June 19, 2007 - 19:37 ET by TruthMongerIt sounds like snot is on the run and I'm not surprised...
Snot try North Korea if you can - they're pretty much the opposite of us...
botg 'criminal forebears'?
June 19, 2007 - 20:55 ET by Cool ArrowStory I read had only threebears
Gee, guess which empire broug
June 19, 2007 - 22:28 ET by ahusserGee, guess which empire brought slavery to the colonies. The Africans were the most recent of a a few thousand or more years of slavery. Any way I am of slavic descent, which is the root word for slave. I want my reparations.
"A mind is a terrible thing." - A comic I forgot the name of.
ahusser, Not to nitpick, bu
June 19, 2007 - 22:37 ET by hydrodynDMahusser,
Not to nitpick, but I don't think "Slav" is related to "slave". I think I read that it's from "slovo" meaning "word" - so Slavs are something like people who speak or something like that. I don't really know crap about this stuff, but I'm of Slavic descent as well, and I remember looking it up once.
DMYou made me re-check this a
June 19, 2007 - 22:52 ET by ahusserDM
You made me re-check this as I have taken it for granted for 30 or more years. Here is a cite from the Online Etymology Dictionary:
slave (n.) c.1290, "person who is the property of another," from O.Fr. esclave, from M.L. Sclavus "slave" (cf. It. schiavo, Fr. esclave, Sp. esclavo), originally "Slav" (see Slav), so called because of the many Slavs sold into slavery by conquering peoples.
ahusser, OK, now I had to g
June 19, 2007 - 23:02 ET by hydrodynDMahusser,
OK, now I had to go look it up too. Oddly enough, from the same source you used, I got:
Slav
1387, Sclave, from M.L. Sclavus (c.800), from Byzantine Gk. Sklabos (c.580), from O.Slav. Sloveninu "a Slav," probably related to slovo "word, speech," which suggests the name originally meant member of a speech community (cf. O.C.S. Nemici "Germans," related to nemu "dumb;" and cf. O.E. þeode, which meant both "race" and "language"). Identical with the -slav in personal names (e.g. Rus. Miroslav, lit. "peaceful fame;" Mstislav, lit. "vengeful fame;" Jaroslav, lit. "famed for fury;" Czech Bohuslav, lit. "God's glory;" and cf. Wenceslas). Spelled Slave c.1788-1866, infl. by Fr. and Ger. Slave. Adj. Slavic is attested from 1813; earlier Slavonic (c.1645), from Slavonia, a region of Croatia.
Which is correct?
I looked up the root of slave
June 19, 2007 - 23:10 ET by ahusserI looked up the root of slave which is slav. You looked up slav which comes from something else. Slav preceded slave in meaning an ethnic people. Slav doesn't come from slave but slave comes from slav. It's like saying xerox means a copy machine. But a copy machine doesn't mean xerox.
ahusser, Got it. It's late
June 19, 2007 - 23:14 ET by hydrodynDMahusser,
Got it.
It's late and I'm being dense.
I also got it wrong in my ori
June 19, 2007 - 23:16 ET by ahusserI also got it wrong in my original post implying that slav came from the word slave rather than the other way around. Nonetheless I want my reparations because I am sure that there are some slaves in my heritage somewhere:)
ahusser, You had it right i
June 19, 2007 - 23:21 ET by hydrodynDMahusser,
You had it right in your original post - I just wasn't paying attention.
And I'll take my reparations in Pilsner.
Pilsener is a an excellent re
June 19, 2007 - 23:24 ET by ahusserPilsener is a an excellent reparation. Take Care.
June 19, 2007 - 22:53 ET by ahusser
"Why are you so touchy?&
June 19, 2007 - 19:37 ET by QueenMum"Why are you so touchy?"
Why are you such a liar, snot?
P.S. Your knowledge re: the history of slavery is a bit sketchy. But it's summertime. We can't expect you to be thinking about things like history. As long as you remember what you need to when it comes time for the high school graduation test.
We are not interested in the possibilities of defeat. - Queen Victoria
Tiananmen Square 1989 The
June 19, 2007 - 19:42 ET by USA4freedomTiananmen Square 1989
These are the boys of Pointe du Hoc.
Ronald Reagan- 40th Anniversary of D-Day
not touchy... more slappy
June 19, 2007 - 19:47 ET by Pragmatic-ManSnot, not so much touchy, just always ready to slap down errant trolls.
Regarding slavery (and no I do not condone it in any way), it was first practiced many thousands of years ago. The US did not invent it, and it was the African tribesmen who were rounding up their enemies and other unfortunate souls to sell to the American traders. Abhorrent in practice and principle, but not to be pinned solely on the US.
Ironically, it is still practiced in Africa. And Southeast Asia. And in a lesser way the USA still practices a form of indenture, when they court a second-class citizenry of illegal aliens.
Don't feel like you have to b
June 19, 2007 - 19:51 ET by TruthMongerDon't feel like you have to bow to the brits when it comes to western history...most of the time I'm telling them not to feel so bad about what they've done...we've never been an empire my friend...
"The US can pin most to
June 19, 2007 - 22:03 ET by ckc1227"The US can pin most to it's name over the years; starting with slavery."
One thing you can't pin on us: your ignorance. You accomplished that all on your own.
...an embarassment to our nat
June 19, 2007 - 19:21 ET by TruthMonger...an embarassment to our nation...?
Where is the USnotUSnot whatever from anyway? I feel like nuking someone's ass again...
Why does it matter where I am
June 19, 2007 - 19:32 ET by USnotU.S.Why does it matter where I am from? Will you just nuke that place?
That is so intelligent. Were you the guy with the banjo in that film........?
That is exactly in line with some Bush official policies that I am finding more and more offensive every day. Latest is that your own Park Rangers in the Grand Canyon aren't allowed to tell visitors how old the geographical formations are! Apparently, the Earth can't be more than 6000 years old, so the word "millions" is banned!
I'm from the UK, but I grew up in Australia, and I'm now travelling the world. I was hoping to make it to your country one day, but you might nuke it. I'm in Australia at the end of this week for 3 weeks.
How accurate are your nukes? Do you need all my destinations, or do you want to nuke the whole lot?
PS Have you ever been outside? 1)House 2)Town 3)State.....?
You're funny!
No destinations thanks - I th
June 19, 2007 - 19:35 ET by TruthMongerNo destinations thanks - I think we can track you with your mouth...
Like I said enjoy speaking English instead of German and we'll send you a nukecard...
Snot
June 19, 2007 - 19:16 ET by RJSnot, China and other countries are massively polluting the land air and water, as the US has not done for a long, long time....if ever. But you "justify" that in some kind of inane moral relatavism?
So you advocate a Hatfield-McCoy attitude toward pollution? He done shot my cousin, so you can't stop this here feud until I shoot his?
The only embarrassment is from your simplistic postings, snot.
"as the US has not done
June 19, 2007 - 19:22 ET by USnotU.S."as the US has not done for a long, long time..... if ever."
Hello? Put Mummy on the phone!
Ah...the uk...
June 19, 2007 - 19:23 ET by TruthMongerAh...the uk...
Snotty is only interested in being, well, snotty...
June 19, 2007 - 19:27 ET by RJApparently, snotty, you're only interested in being, well, snotty...what's the matter, afraid to attempt a real response?
How old are you, anyway? I'm guessing teens....
past his bedtime
June 19, 2007 - 19:29 ET by LionKingI am sure that it past your bedtime, Snotty. Go trolling elsewhere.
[He would not know a fact if he saw one.]
Sounds like a she - I think s
June 19, 2007 - 19:31 ET by TruthMongerSounds like a she - I think she's gone...
Hey snot - here's one you'll like - remember the damage we did to Hitler? That's why you ain't speaking German - now STFU:)...
Hm, TM. I thought it was a sh
June 19, 2007 - 19:42 ET by QueenMumHm, TM. I thought it was a she as well. Interesting.
We are not interested in the possibilities of defeat. - Queen Victoria
Hi queen,My wife is English -
June 19, 2007 - 19:45 ET by TruthMongerHi queen,
My wife is English - I recognized the female sentence structure...
Backpacking around the hostels - seeking the truth of communism. Guilt over the old empire, etc, etc...
How romantic...why is youth wasted upon the young?
That's why you ain't speaking
June 19, 2007 - 19:51 ET byThat's why you ain't speaking German
TM, make that Japonese, You Snot is an Aussie living in England
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
Well botg we've also heard sn
June 19, 2007 - 19:55 ET by TruthMongerWell botg we've also heard snot is English, grew up in OZ, now travels the world...
...could be a junior high kid from Sheboygen Wisconsin for all we know...
...it was hard but I managed to keep religion out of it:)...
Snotty
June 19, 2007 - 19:22 ET by Dave RI constantly wonder what the real Americans think.
You wouldn't know a real American if one flattened you in their SUV.
The West has done vast damage for 100 years, and guess who's right up there?
Inerteresting. Care to provide specifics as to the vast damage to which you refer, as clearly you are asserting this alleged damage was caused by us?
PS. How many of you can sit there and honestly tell me you didn't buy something made in China this week?
While I cannot speak for the other members here at NB, I can assure you that I haven't purchased any products made in that hideous country, nor any products from Venezuela, either, particularly Citgo gasoline, in quite some time.
I confess, Father Dave. I bou
June 19, 2007 - 19:30 ET by QueenMumI confess, Father Dave. I bought a roll of candies at Deals without looking at the label. The RC and I have decided we'd better eat only one at a time in case they're contaminated with some sort of pet food additive.
I also have a number of pots and pans that I ordered from QVC that were made in China. And fine cookware they be.
Wish I could get on the "boycott China" bandwagon. Guess I'm just too lazy and too cheap. On the other hand, I'll bet if I went through all my household goods and threw out everything that came from China (including my Wei East skin care), I'd have a lot more room in my cupboards and closets. I'll think about it.
But we do try to avoid buying gas from Citgo. BTW, most of the Citgo stations in our neck of the woods have become Marathon. Wonder if the gas still comes from Comrade Chavez.
We are not interested in the possibilities of defeat. - Queen Victoria
QM,Citgo hasn't been faring t
June 19, 2007 - 19:39 ET by Dave RQM,
Citgo hasn't been fairing too well aroud here in the northern burbs of Atlanta, either. There is one not far from me that is currently being run by an Arab Muslim.
That says a lot.
I refuse to stoop to your lev
June 19, 2007 - 19:43 ET by USnotU.S.I refuse to stoop to your level(s), but be honest. How many of you have I gone out and personally attacked?
I thought I was here to debate with citizens from one of the world's great nations. You lot sound like you are locked in basements wearing fatigues, sitting on six months worth of tinned food, guns, ammo spelling books and bibles.
How seriously should I take you?
Am I a troll because I mention facts?
snotUS...care to elaborate
June 19, 2007 - 19:46 ET by LionKingwhat facts?
Angry little snot. These a
June 19, 2007 - 19:49 ET by USA4freedomAngry little snot.
These are the boys of Pointe du Hoc.
Ronald Reagan- 40th Anniversary of D-Day
Am I wrong or didn't she just
June 19, 2007 - 19:54 ET by TruthMongerAm I wrong or didn't she just attack over 300 million Americans with a single post?
That China has five times the
June 19, 2007 - 19:53 ET by USnotU.S.That China has five times the population of the US.
Oh, and yes, I mentioned earlier that the WEST was responsible for a fair bit. Since when does "West" mean "U.S."?
That is exactly why I am here. Other people live in the world too. I.e. "US", as opposed to the 6% that is U.S.
Ease up on the triggers, will you! You are sounding really really (censored).
Well, you should all know that word at least.
snot busted
June 19, 2007 - 19:56 ET by LionKingAssertion busted...China does not have 5 times the population of the US. US population is over 300 million (not counting illegals). That would put China at 1.5 Billion.
China's big I'll give her tha
June 19, 2007 - 19:59 ET by TruthMongerChina's big I'll give her that...and there are probably a few billion slaves underground we don't know about...
WHAT A GREAT COUNTRY!!!! Good role model for the young and stupid...
crickets
June 19, 2007 - 20:01 ET by LionKing<crickets chirping...>
Oh stop whining and look at your first post today, snotty
June 19, 2007 - 19:49 ET by RJ"refuse to stoop to your level"
Oh stop whining and go look at your first post today, snotty. Here, you'll get back what you give. If you're serious about debating facts, drop the dumb sophomoric insults and present facts.
Methinks the Montana Pussycat
June 19, 2007 - 19:54 ET by QueenMumMethinks the Montana Pussycat has offspring. I'd guess by union with a close relative - probably a sister.
We are not interested in the possibilities of defeat. - Queen Victoria
How seriously should I take you?
June 19, 2007 - 19:51 ET by misterbillHow seriously should I take you?
Real serious if we find you!!!! heh hee
Snotty
June 19, 2007 - 19:53 ET by Dave RI refuse to stoop to your level(s),
Sorry, pal, but you are already ten metres below that level, and sinking fast.
You lot sound like you are locked in basements wearing fatigues, sitting on six months worth of tinned food, guns, ammo spelling books and bibles.
Beats the hell out of tea & crumpets for breakfast every day, as well as having to contemplate what your Muslim name is going to be in the new Caliphate of the United Kingdomistan.
Am I a troll because I mention facts?
You are a troll because you are a dumbass.
I'm Ausralian.(no... not Aust
June 19, 2007 - 19:56 ET by USnotU.S.I'm Ausralian.
(no... not Austrian)
Welcome to the Islamic States
June 19, 2007 - 19:58 ET by TruthMongerWelcome to the Islamic States of Mexico...we're changing our name...it's all marketing...
"I'm Ausralian."Hm.
June 19, 2007 - 20:00 ET by QueenMum"I'm Ausralian."
Hm.
We are not interested in the possibilities of defeat. - Queen Victoria
I think we've gone star trek
June 19, 2007 - 20:03 ET by TruthMongerI think we've gone star trek here...wink...wink...who has the butterfly net and sedatives?
TM,Has Snotty perhaps forgott
June 19, 2007 - 20:13 ET by Dave RTM,
Has Snotty possibly forgotten that he told us all the other day that he was currently a transplanted Aussie residing in the (future Caliphate of the) UK?
Or perhaps he is sitting on a sidewalk outside a Starbuck's in Seattle?
Hmm.
Ha! Dave I'm thinking somewhe
June 19, 2007 - 20:16 ET by TruthMongerHa! Dave I'm thinking somewhere in orbit thank God...far away from me I hope...stupidity like this stinks to high Heaven...
Snotty
June 19, 2007 - 20:19 ET by Cool ArrowSpock. To the bridge
Snotty. Beam us aboard
There be whales here captain.
June 19, 2007 - 20:35 ET by TruthMongerThere be whales here captain...! A little too much LDS in the 60's...any Mormons care to chime in here?
LDS and other psychedelics
June 19, 2007 - 20:40 ET by Cool ArrowCaptain, she's breaking up. I dunno if she kin holt tagatha. If we don't get thoos dilithium chrystals soon we're doomed.
I remember that...it was too
June 19, 2007 - 20:43 ET by Conservative VoiceI remember that...it was too funny.
TM,LOL-Hell, I can smell it a
June 19, 2007 - 20:54 ET by Dave RTM,
LOL-Hell, I can smell it all the way over here in Atlanta.
Grand canyon
June 19, 2007 - 20:17 ET by LionKingHe mentioned something about the Grand Canyon, but I think he was looking at the empty space between his ears.
A French Austrailian?
June 19, 2007 - 20:03 ET by Cool ArrowOh well, Bidet mate.
Snotty
June 19, 2007 - 20:07 ET by Dave RI'm Ausralian.
Snotty, do you really think that Akbar & Akhmed are going to give a flying fornication that you are an Aussie when they are raisng that dull, rusty sword above your infidel neck?
Besides, I doubt the average follower of Islam, who is most likely illiterate, has the ability to distinguish between an Australian and British accent, anyway.
don't forget North Korea
June 19, 2007 - 20:09 ET by LionKingDon't forget North Korea, round-eye !!!
The West has done vast damage
June 19, 2007 - 19:38 ET byThe West has done vast damage for 100 years, (As per You Snot US,)
Yeah we exported medicine, knowledge, technology, food and have raised the standard of living wordwide
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
More damage done by the USKep
June 19, 2007 - 20:03 ET byMore damage done by the US
Kept Australia out of Japonese dominance
Kept the West out of German dominance
"Mr Gorbachov tear down this wall"
We've done some great damage.
June 19, 2007 - 20:08 ET by TruthMongerWe've done some great damage...!!
Semper fi and all that stuff...
Ok, this is where you disappe
June 19, 2007 - 20:10 ET by USnotU.S.Ok, this is where you disappear from the thread for the night, because that is how it always happens.
I said "the WEST". I didn't say the US.
You are so wound up in your little "We are the police of the world" bit, that you can't even hear an opinion from outside the US without being insulted.
That's fine.... Just switch off the computer......
Otherwise, CATCH UP!
The US is part of the WEST
June 19, 2007 - 20:13 ET by LionKingSNOTTY...The US is part of the WEST. So if you are slamming the west, you are slamming US!!!
[Still waiting for facts on vast damage...]
"hello evil americans? C
June 19, 2007 - 20:13 ET by TruthMonger"hello evil americans? Can you send you military to bail us out again please?
"OK"
"who the hell do you think you are the world police? And please hurry up we're in big trouble"
"OK"
Ok, this is where you disappe
June 19, 2007 - 20:18 ET byOk, this is where you disappear from the thread for the night, because that is how it always happens.
What is this some bizarre Twilight Zone episode?
Of course you don't remember WW2 and don't rcognize the tech, meds and food, and aid in general that the US has given the world
WAKE UP
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
Hey USnotU.S.That's fine....
June 19, 2007 - 20:38 ET byHey USnotU.S.
That's fine.... Just switch off the computer......
Otherwise, CATCH UP!
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
Snotty
June 19, 2007 - 20:23 ET by Dave RI said "the WEST". I didn't say the US.
"The West" IS essentially the U.S., you dipstick.
Sorry, but Western Europe ceased counting at the conclusion of WW II. If it weren't for this country, you'd be traveling the streets of the U.K. in a VW, eating weiner schnitzel on a stick and singing praises to the Third Reich.
Did this conversation actuall
June 19, 2007 - 20:32 ET by TruthMongerDid this conversation actually happen? Or is this just a bad dream Leon is having whilst snuggling in the arms of sarcasmo?
crickets chirping...
TruthMonger
June 19, 2007 - 20:37 ET by Cool ArrowThis is nothing. Looked like everybody was channelling either Tumbler or Deb earlier.
RILI think U Snot is channell
June 19, 2007 - 20:39 ET byRIL
I think U Snot is channelling Mobius
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
MobiSnot
June 19, 2007 - 20:45 ET by Cool ArrowWe really getting flooded with trolls. Would that just a few of them were here in search of enlightenment. I'm tired of "Do you think George Bush is above the law"
with his war for oilSupreme C
June 19, 2007 - 20:50 ET bywith his war for oil
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
It's been a couple four years
June 19, 2007 - 21:14 ET by dahliatraversIt's been a couple four years. When does that oil start arriving ...?
D it will be here at the co
June 19, 2007 - 21:21 ET byD it will be here at the conclusion of the war for vinegar
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
lol
June 19, 2007 - 21:25 ET by dahliatraverslol
police of the world
June 19, 2007 - 20:39 ET by Pragmatic-ManWe are the police of the world. This is because when the world dials 911, they get 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
And lest we forget, we are uniuqely alone in foreign aid. Ever hear of other countries giving unilaterally to other nations? No. Just us. We are parents to the globe, big brother to all of the third world, and cop on the street when you get into trouble.
But get caught speeding into communism and BAM, the world cusses the cop out.
I would classify most nations as fair weather friends to the USA.
Well other nations do give mo
June 19, 2007 - 21:11 ET by TruthMongerWell other nations do give more "as a percentage" - for instance Norway gives over 50% of their annual GDP or a whopping ^1000000000 lutefiskmarks ($1000 US) to the country of Slambotnia every year...while we only give .0001% of our annual GDP or $23459872520000200227262527256365373 in US dollars to the rest of the world during that same time period...so...you know...we actually lag behind most of the world AS A PERCENTAGE...
... something not quite right
June 19, 2007 - 21:18 ET by dahliatravers... something not quite right about your calculations and conclusion ...
TM hyperbolates, maybe miscalculates...
June 19, 2007 - 21:30 ET by TruthMongerI mighta hit a key wrong on my calc - I was in a hurry - I'm probably pretty close though:)!
...it was hard but I managed to keep religion out of it:)...
truthmonger...love the hyperbole
June 19, 2007 - 21:22 ET by LionKingTM...I love the use of hyperbole. (Right there with irony.)
China has overtaken the Unite
June 19, 2007 - 19:42 ET byChina has overtaken the United States as the world's biggest producer of carbon dioxide, the chief greenhouse gas, figures released today show.
but who cares pollution according to neologic has no harm to our lungs! pass the cigarettes please!
A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons
ps.usnot ,dont let ignorant closeminded rude rednecks make you think that all conservatives are ignorant and boors! Some americans are actually nice!
'You lot sound like you are locked in basements wearing fatigues, sitting on six months worth of tinned food, guns, ammo spelling books and bibles"
thats about right, usnot, even though you were exagerating. Their guns , Gideon bilbles and beds are right beside the puter .. they are connected to this site 24/7. I would like to include the ones that never leave their puter on the top 10 hippo troll list!
Montana,Straw Man Argument
June 19, 2007 - 19:49 ET by hydrodynDMMontana,
Straw Man Argument and failing to address the main point of the post - that the media won't report this news.
What "logic" do you subscribe to?
Is it just me, or does it see
June 19, 2007 - 19:57 ET by USA4freedomIs it just me, or does it seem like we are ass deep in trolls lately.
Its hard to have a intelligent conversation with all the: “you’re a racist, or a gun toting hick, or just a little while ago that we are in our basements with our guns and canned food.” It’s tiresome to answer all that tripe.
These are the boys of Pointe du Hoc.
Ronald Reagan- 40th Anniversary of D-Day
USA4freedom, They aren't he
June 19, 2007 - 20:05 ET by hydrodynDMUSA4freedom,
They aren't here to engage in debate - they are here to try to make themselves feel better. They figure that if they can reassure themselves of the stereotypes they have about conservatives - that we're all a bunch of morons - they'll be able to attain that warm, fuzzy, smug feeling that comes from convincing yourself that you are better than others.
"Is it just me, or does
June 19, 2007 - 20:12 ET by"
Is it just me, or does it seem like we are ass deep in trolls lately.
Its hard to have a intelligent conversation with all the: “you’re a racist, or a gun toting hick, or just a little while ago that we are in our basements with our guns and canned food.” It’s tiresome to answer all that tripe"
another example of hippotrolls- love to give it out but cant take it.
this is what happens usnot, to any new liberal on this site and then they get uppitty when you give it back to them, so that can be an excuse for them to write a letter to mathew to have him banned. Then they are proud about another troll biting the dust!
A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons
The QM has spoken.We are not
June 19, 2007 - 20:35 ET by QueenMumThe QM has spoken.
We are not interested in the possibilities of defeat. - Queen Victoria
The main point of this post w
June 19, 2007 - 20:00 ET by USnotU.S.The main point of this post was flawed by fascist views, so far right they are running kids over on your front lawns.
Eventually, it is obvious that a nation with 1.2 BILLION will produce more gases than a nation with .27 Billion, or 270 million, or to the people on here just now; "lots, but less lots than them um, uh"
Does that help?
Why would you call your own p
June 19, 2007 - 20:06 ET byWhy would you call your own post fascist?
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
If I’m not mistaken doesn
June 19, 2007 - 20:07 ET by USA4freedomIf I’m not mistaken doesn’t Australia have more poisonous snakes then any where on earth? I think they are missing one.
These are the boys of Pointe du Hoc.
Ronald Reagan- 40th Anniversary of D-Day
You are really struggling, ar
June 19, 2007 - 20:22 ET by USnotU.S.You are really struggling, aren't you?
Look for "start, turn off computer"
There's a good:-
You wroteThe main point of th
June 19, 2007 - 20:32 ET byYou wrote
The main point of this post was flawed by fascist views
'This post' refers to what YOU ARE WRITING if you were refering to something else use 'THAT post'
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
So, in your view, this is a fascist site
June 19, 2007 - 20:06 ET by RJSo, in your view, this is a fascist site. Yes, that IS helpful. It shows that you're a left-wing nut-job, and, typical of you lot, not very bright.
RJ You Snot used the term '
June 19, 2007 - 20:12 ET byRJ You Snot used the term 'this post' obviously refering to her own, not Newsbusters or anyone else's. It's either that or a serious comprehension problem which has lead to delusion
Oh and check this out
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
Check Wikipedia, for example.
June 19, 2007 - 20:40 ET by USnotU.S.Check Wikipedia, for example.
"Fascist" involves the following;
Nationalism
Corporatism
Collectivism
Totalitarianism
Anti Communism
Opposition to Economic Liberalism.
Are you feeling squirmy yet?
Ah. Wikipedia. The liberal/so
June 19, 2007 - 20:44 ET by QueenMumAh. Wikipedia. The liberal/socialist Bible.
We are not interested in the possibilities of defeat. - Queen Victoria
And it says bad things about
June 19, 2007 - 20:51 ET by TruthMongerAnd it says bad things about the US?! I'm pissed - hey let's check out Castro's home page on myspace!
...it was hard but I managed to keep religion out of it:)...
Fascism is linked to National Socialism, snotty
June 19, 2007 - 20:52 ET by RJWow, snotty, all those "isms" from the leftist Wikipedia must frighten you. There, there....take deep breaths....Now, here's the definition of fascism from a dictionary, not the leftist Wikipedia bible.
fas·cism (fāsh'ĭz'əm) n.
HERE'S THE BEST PART, SNOTTY
Word History: It is fitting that the name of an authoritarian political movement like Fascism, founded in 1919 by Benito Mussolini, should come from the name of a symbol of authority. The Italian name of the movement, fascismo, is derived from fascio, "bundle, (political) group," but also refers to the movement's emblem, the fasces, a bundle of rods bound around a projecting axe-head that was carried before an ancient Roman magistrate by an attendant as a symbol of authority and power. The name of Mussolini's group of revolutionaries was soon used for similar nationalistic movements in other countries that sought to gain power through violence and ruthlessness, such as National Socialism.
"Are you feeling squir
June 19, 2007 - 20:52 ET by LionKing"Are you feeling squirmy yet?"
Not in the USA...Land of the Free and Home of the Brave
I like wikipedia better - it
June 19, 2007 - 21:02 ET by TruthMongerI like wikipedia better - it makes us all seem like real assholes - and I really like to hear that about us after we send trillions in foreign aid and military protection around the globe every year...
I guess I wish we were more like China - who pretty much keeps all there money and military protection for their fasciast leadership to be able to enjoy their decadent western coke snorting parties every night - that sounds like a good way to go from now on! Whattya say people?
Minimal justice system; the u
June 19, 2007 - 21:30 ET by dahliatraversMinimal justice system; the ultimate eminent domain policies; no environmental laws whatsoever. I'm there!
Snotty,Fascism is defined as
June 19, 2007 - 21:00 ET by Dave RSnotty,
Fascism is defined as government control of privately owned resources. How many true conservatives are out there supporting this? Damn few, I'd say.
Liberals, however, are all-out supporters of government control of just about everything.
So, who are the real fascists in this picture?
"Fascism is defined as g
June 19, 2007 - 21:12 ET by QueenMum"Fascism is defined as government control of privately owned resources."
ala Hugo Chavez and Hillary Clinton. "I'd take those oil profits ......"
We are not interested in the possibilities of defeat. - Queen Victoria
USnotU.S. Um, I was address
June 19, 2007 - 20:08 ET by hydrodynDMUSnotU.S.
Um, I was addressing Montana's failure to present a reasonable argument that actually addressed the point of the original post. I wasn't commenting on the merit of the original post.
Nice way to totally miss the point of my comment.
You sure you don't need some help?
Perhaps I do, and big enough
June 19, 2007 - 20:18 ET by USnotU.S.Perhaps I do, and big enough to take the criticism if I got it wrong. Fair enough. It's often hard to tell what is aimed at the group, or the newbie.
Still not getting a lot of sense, though, and copping a lot of crap for fair questions.
You would have to be embarassed too, deep deep down, by some of your supposed fellows' comments. Be honest.
Fair questions - I missed tho
June 19, 2007 - 20:22 ET by TruthMongerFair questions - I missed those - sorry! How can I help:)?
USnotU.S., Nothing wrong
June 19, 2007 - 20:28 ET by hydrodynDMUSnotU.S.,
Nothing wrong in admitting when you get something wrong.
You have to understand that if you go against the grain here, you'll have a lot of people pounce on you - some will do it fairly and some will attack - it depends on how you present yourself.
Making negative generalizations isn't usually a good idea. It's childish.
But having said that, yes, I think some folks do go overboard in here with people who don't deserve it. But that isn't cause for embarrassment. Your suggestion that it would seems to paint conservatives as having some kind of herd mentality - where we all fancy ourselves part of one tight nit group. Do you have that attitude with those on your side of the political spectrum? Do you feel embarrassed by the outrageous statements made by some in "your group". I doubt it. So why should I?
Who are "my group"?
June 19, 2007 - 20:32 ET by USnotU.S.Who are "my group"?
Your group
June 19, 2007 - 20:35 ET by Cool ArrowCould it be The group that gladly surrendered its guns to the government leaving itself open to all sorts of manipulation?
I bet you are one of the peop
June 19, 2007 - 21:01 ET by USnotU.S.I bet you are one of the people who always quotes the "right to bear arms" bit, aren't you?
I bet you never mention the "well regulated militia" bit, do you?
Seriously........
Who do you need the guns for?
that's rich...foreigner address the US Bill of Rights
June 19, 2007 - 21:05 ET by LionKingSnotty...Do not even try to pretend that you understand the Bill of Rights. The US Constitution is the envy of every other nation in the world. Take your lib talking points back over the pond.
Snotty,At the time the Consti
June 19, 2007 - 21:13 ET by Dave RSnotty,
At the time the Constitution was written, militias were under civilian control, not the government's.
Besides, if you knew anything at all about this country, you would know that our government answers to us, not vice-versa.
Dipstick.
Right to bear arms, well re
June 19, 2007 - 23:47 ET by RESTLESS 1Right to bear arms, well regulated militia. One and the same as far as I am concerned. I have never seen a government entity do anything as important as protecting my home and family better than I can.
USnotU.S., Those that you a
June 19, 2007 - 20:35 ET by hydrodynDMUSnotU.S.,
Those that you agree with on political issues.
And please don't do the "I'm a unique individual and you can't put me a little box and label me" thing - it's tiresome and juvenile. My apologies if you weren't going to say this, but it comes up so often.
I'm 44 years old.Seriously; a
June 19, 2007 - 20:55 ET by USnotU.S.I'm 44 years old.
Seriously; and this goes for most of you. Get over it.
I'm not a school kid. However, I am insulted by the fact that citizens of your great nation would bag the shit out of someone because you think he/she is a school kid.
They are your future. You need the world to be friends with your school kids, because right now, half the posters on this site would happilly nuke the world.
It's late here; and I'm going to bed.
Those of you who hoped I'm a troll (because it's a word you just know'ed) will be disappointed because I'm real.
Night!
"I'm 44 years old" How embarrassing for you.
June 19, 2007 - 21:01 ET by RJ"I'm 44 years old" How embarrassing for you and whatever education system that spawned you.
"It's late here; and I'
June 19, 2007 - 21:07 ET by QueenMum"It's late here; and I'm going to bed."
Must be Eastern time. Yup. 10 p.m. Pretty late for someone of such advanced age.
We are not interested in the possibilities of defeat. - Queen Victoria
USnotU.S., Describing someo
June 19, 2007 - 21:06 ET by hydrodynDMUSnotU.S.,
Describing someone as "juvenile" isn't the same thing as saying that they are a "school kid".
Suggesting that someone who's acting like a child on a site like this might actually be a child is, if anything, a kind of free pass. It's a way of saying "He's acting like a know-it-all jerk but ... if he's a kid, then ok. It's kinda understandable."
And I fail to see how this is particular to sites dominated by US citizens. You're gonna tell me that the folks on British or Indian sites don't have little tolerance for kids who enter them with the aim of throwing out infantile insults or to derail conversations?
LMAO...Too funny....seriously
June 19, 2007 - 21:06 ET by bigtimerLMAO...
Too funny....seriously too funny...
44 and still doesn't accept reality...you know the real world.
....Thinks you were a troll....
Oh my heart be still.....
...hoped...you...were...a troll....
...Surely you jest....
ROFLMAO now.....
Can't stop laughing...been reading your posts from the beginning of your appearance here....
....Hoped you were a troll...
...too danged comical....
I'm roaring with laughter now.....
breathe, bt...breathe...there
June 19, 2007 - 21:15 ET by TruthMongerbreathe, bt...breathe...there ya go...
Thanks TM...Woooo...got my br
June 19, 2007 - 22:12 ET by bigtimerThanks TM...
Woooo...got my breath now....
Think I will make it after-all...
Still laughing...dang it all..that Usnot is just too comedic to handle.
Making negative generalizatio
June 19, 2007 - 20:39 ET byMaking negative generalizations isn't usually a good idea. It's childish
unless you are a loyal bushie and then its ok for half this site to behave childishly on this site on a regular basis so they all can laugh at each others middle school humor.
hang in there, aussie!
A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons
Montana, Do you have a spec
June 19, 2007 - 20:43 ET by hydrodynDMMontana,
Do you have a specific example of me doing this?
No?
Then make your point off of someone else's post.
hydro..save yourself NOW
June 19, 2007 - 20:57 ET by LionKinghydro... I really respect your attitude and the stance you are taking. For your sake, do not bother with Monty. It is beneath you to bother with him. He is an unproductive troll much like snotty. They speak with vagueness and demand that someone prove them wrong...they never bring anything to the table. Trying to educate the unwilling is futile...try to raise their level of debate is pointless.
Please take this in the as it is intended.
This is cool. You don't even
June 19, 2007 - 21:05 ET by USnotU.S.This is cool. You don't even understand each other.
USnotU.S., What?
June 19, 2007 - 21:16 ET by hydrodynDMUSnotU.S.,
What?
LionKing, I appreciate the
June 19, 2007 - 21:12 ET by hydrodynDMLionKing,
I appreciate the compliment. And I do get what you are saying. Truth be told, it's just too easy to poke holes in the arguments of someone like Montana - so my aim isn't really to help him or even to expect a real conversation - it's mostly just to be kind of a jerk. ;)
hydro...my point exactly
June 19, 2007 - 21:18 ET by LionKinghydro...I know what you mean. It is like shooting fish in a barrell. At first it seems like fun, but it gets old fast...that's what I was warning you about. There aren't too many serious liberal debaters on this site. I sensed that you were trying to engage in a debate of intellectual honesty...one with facts and sincerity. Unfortunately, the trolls (Monty, Snotty, et al) disrupt and offer nothing.
Keep it real and fight the good fight !!!
LionKing, I got ya. Fact is
June 19, 2007 - 21:23 ET by hydrodynDMLionKing,
I got ya. Fact is, I don't post too often but I do visit on a daily basis so I'm kinda up on who's worth the effort and who isn't.
Today, I was just in one of those moods.
lol...cool hyrdo
June 19, 2007 - 21:25 ET by LionKinglol...hydro...post more...I like your style.
L8R...I am out of here also.
HydroIt's what happens, you t
June 19, 2007 - 21:45 ET byHydro
It's what happens, you try to be nice and have a conversation, use logic, present facts and reason: and it's constant avoidance, denial and unmerited assertion. So you get in one of those moods where you "refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed man"
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
botg, I've had a few reason
June 19, 2007 - 21:55 ET by hydrodynDMbotg,
I've had a few reasonable conversations/arguments with folks here - from both sides of the political spectrum.
But, as you said, the argument typically degenerates - either into nonsense or name calling. Thing is, if you're calm and half way polite throughout the whole thing, and you point it out to them, they know they have no leg to stand on and typically end the conversation there.
Snotty, define fascist.
June 19, 2007 - 20:39 ET by Dave RThe main point of this post was flawed by fascist views,
Define fascist. I dare ya.
The RC was once employed in a
June 19, 2007 - 20:10 ET by QueenMumThe RC was once employed in a security capacity for a government contractor. He attended many conferences with personnel from the DOD and various branches of the U.S. military. Of course, most of what he learned was confidential. Suffice it to say that our government has serious concerns about the threat that China poses as a growing military power.
The ignorance of the MsM re: China is quite troubling. Why do they continue to give Communist regimes a pass while at the same time putting America on the hot seat on each and every world issue.
We are not interested in the possibilities of defeat. - Queen Victoria
Hello?Who mentioned politics?
June 19, 2007 - 20:27 ET by USnotU.S.Hello?
Who mentioned politics?
It's about emissions.
What are you going to do next? Bring Creationism into it? That would be a cool way of saying China doesn't exist!
Who said the QM was addressing you, you snot-nosed brat?
June 19, 2007 - 20:36 ET by RJWho said the QM was addressing you, you attention-seeking, snot-nosed brat? The world doesn't revolve around you.
The QM was addressing one of the underlying topics from the beginning of the thread, which was whether or not the media pays attention to China. Please don't interfere if you can't keep up.
"Bring Creationism into
June 19, 2007 - 21:00 ET by QueenMum"Bring Creationism into it? That would be a cool way of saying China doesn't exist"
I'm sorry, but I don't see the connection. Would you care to expand on this, snotnose?
We are not interested in the possibilities of defeat. - Queen Victoria
Well, Queenie, it would be be
June 19, 2007 - 21:09 ET by USnotU.S.Well, Queenie, it would be because the official US view is that the world is as old as say, a 57 Chev?
Creationism pretty much wipes out ancient history, but only for the weirdos who believe it.
Oh! I see! But then .... how
June 19, 2007 - 21:22 ET by QueenMumOh! I see! But then .... how do those wacky Yanks explain the fact that they have grandparents that were born in the 1920's? You're right! The "official" U.S. view is beyond weird.
BTW, where is it written in the Constitution or laws of the U.S.A. that the fundamentalist Christian interpretation of the biblical creation is the "official U.S. view"? I must confess, I'm shocked to hear of this.
Hey, aren't you supposed to be in bed?
We are not interested in the possibilities of defeat. - Queen Victoria
We have learned much tonight
June 19, 2007 - 21:58 ET by TruthMongerWe have learned much tonight - but nothing about any countries whatsoever...
...it was hard but I managed to keep religion out of it:)...
"Well, Queenie, it wou
June 19, 2007 - 22:37 ET by ckc1227"Well, Queenie, it would be because the official US view is that the world is as old as say, a 57 Chev?"
Yes, the official view of the USA is the world is only 50 years old, even though our Constitution is 231 years old, lol. Baaah, reality is SOOOOO overrated. It's much more fun to make stuff up. What's sad though is when the line between make-believe and reality becomes blurred, as has happened in your case. Maybe the doc will increase your dosage if you ask him nicely. Hell, just opening your mouth should do the trick.
Yes, QM, both matters are tro
June 19, 2007 - 20:55 ET by dahliatraversYes, QM, both matters are troubling.
Hi, dahlia. Good to see you.
June 19, 2007 - 21:02 ET by QueenMumHi, dahlia. Good to see you. Welcome to Liberalpalooza - The World Tour. :)
We are not interested in the possibilities of defeat. - Queen Victoria
Are Chillipeppers on the gig
June 19, 2007 - 21:12 ET by USnotU.S.Are Chillipeppers on the gig this year?
Night!
Hello, QM. Fortunately, we
June 19, 2007 - 21:27 ET by dahliatraversHello, QM. Fortunately, we were stocked up on tea and scones for the unexpected visitors ...
Perhaps Milk Bones would have
June 19, 2007 - 21:29 ET by QueenMumPerhaps Milk Bones would have been more appropriate, dahlia. You just never know who's going to show up.
We are not interested in the possibilities of defeat. - Queen Victoria
Ok......So, if I can summaris
June 20, 2007 - 11:34 ET by USnotU.S.Ok......
So, if I can summarise, I think what most of you are saying is that I am not allowed to speak, and that I am a school age female who isn't allowed to point out real facts, like;
China is bigger than the US, and one would expect more pollution from it after a while. Somehow, this is criminal, but was ok when the rest of the world did it.
I cannot see how this point upset people!
Also, I am a member of "The West". Saying the West has been polluting for years is just a fact; it's not an insult.
I'm Australian, but it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter where I live either. If I was an American, you'd still want to nuke me for raising intelligent points.
And yes, you have a truly great nation, and I probably do owe some things in every day life to what the US has done, and continues to do. I started out by saying it is a great nation. I don't know how much clearer I can be.
I will keep reminding you all of this. I came to this site to learn. I don't agree with the war, but I respect no one more than I respect the US and allied soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan. Sure, I don't like your president, but if I were a Republican, I wouldn't like him either. Is that unfair? The U.S. is part of the world. It's not "the" world. Why is it wrong to say that?
Now, was this an open and honest post, or are you all just going to get all riled up again over nothing?
It happens here alot but afte
June 20, 2007 - 13:04 ET by TruthMongerIt happens here alot but after two pages of nonsense the point of this thread is that the US is the only nation targeted for pollution - regardless of size or anything else. We can handle being hated we've been doing it for over two hundred years. We're just pointing it out.
The last time we nuked someone was in the 1940's. But feel free to tell all your friends that we nuke people these days on a regular basis. Tell them we never leave our basements. Tell them we shoot everybody on site with all of our guns.
The US has the power to take over half the globe right now without breaking a sweat. The brits actually tried this. We won't. So what do we get for that. We are hitler. We childish. We are evil, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc...
We consume more natural resources than anyone else - thus we are evil. We also send more foriegn aid around the world every year than most countries have done in their entire history. We have 11 aircraft carrier groups costing us billions a year to run protecting OTHER COUNTRIES THAT CAN AFFORD TO MAINTAIN THEIR OWN MILITARIES BUT SIMPLY REFUSE TO. We have liberated more countries from tyranny than anyone else ever will.
We do not like to brag about this - but after a relentless daily pounding from left-wing sons-of-bitches like you everyday year in and year out I hope you don't hold it against us if we remind you from time to time...
I could go on for 5 more pages "just being honest" and I would only scratch the surface regarding the absolute GODLIKE DIVINITY of the American people and most of the west for that matter regarding our contributions to planet Earth...and especially Britain - which spawned our nation - hence our "special relationship" - and BTW please feel free to call us bullies towards you and call Tony Blair our "lapdog" etc, etc, etc - all more of your "fair questions and facts, right?"
In conclusion please feel free to ignore all of this, or miss the point - I know from nauseating experience that you haven't comprehended a word I've said - I'm all wrong, I'm a hillbilly, I'm inbred, etc, etc...but somehow I've managed to cover more of the globe than you probably ever will - it's infinitely easier for me to list the places I have not been than the places I have been...
And as an evil American I seem to be embraced most everywhere I go - the occasional retard like you does pop up now and then much to their own embarassment and humiliation - but I've always expected alot worse and have been very pleasantly surprised...
The west is doing a kickass great job - and I have absolutely no time for "reasonable and honest" assholes like you who says anything worse about us than a passing suggestion of improvement...keep your mouth shut when you're walking down the street - we might pass each other by - and until I've concluded my anger management therapy I'm liable to end your infuriating existence if I'm only having an OK day...
And if I do I apologize in advance...
I tried to be as honest as I could - but in reality that kind of language is not permitted here so I had to tone it down a bit...
...it was hard but I managed to keep religion out of it:)...
Actually, what is criminal is
June 20, 2007 - 16:12 ET by dahliatraversActually, what is criminal is China's utter lack of environmental measures and laws. They don't even pretend to try.
USnot, China is opening one low grade coal burning electric generator every week for the foreseeable future. Would China have reached number one if they had instituted even half of the measures adopted decades ago by Europe, Canada, the US and other environmentally conscious countries?
Let us not lose sight of the central point. Are there some good reasons for everyone to cut back on their consumption of bituminous products? Absolutely. In terms of global warming, however, it is irrelevant who is the biggest polluter. Even if the paltry six percent of greenhouse gases generated by man is the tipping point (and the case for this is shaky indeed), it simply isn't feasible for six billion people to cut back sufficiently to make a difference.
http://mysite.verizon.net/mhieb/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.html