Part of a regular web-only health-centric column, "Tip of the Week," Newsweek ran a June 14 piece written by Ruth Olsen, called “How to shop for organic foods without breaking your budget,” that hit many of the usual myths and wishful thinking about organic foods, such as, organic foods taste better than conventional foods (which are labeled “nonorganic” in the article, implying they deviate from the norm and are somehow lacking), organic produce lasts as long as conventional and organics can be comparable price-wise to regular produce in supermarkets (emphasis mine throughout):
If you do manage to get more organic into your diet, you won't regret the extra effort. Organic produce isn’t just healthy and better for the environment, it tastes better, too, according to Charles Benbrook, chief scientist for The Organic Center. And that flavor boost might just make it easier to convince your children to eat their veggies, or to introduce them to new foods.
Interestingly, this article very carefully (and wisely) didn't claim that organics are healthier than conventional produce; it slyly said, “organic produce is healthy.” Well, sure; all produce is healthy. I think many legitimate journalists are refraining from calling organics healthier now, partially because of a UK regulatory department deciding those claims are false and misleading.
Magazines like Spiked and the Economist, along with experts, argue that organic food farming actually causes more damage because it uses methods that are not as energy-efficient as conventional farming, it gobbles up twice as much land as conventional farming and because of its own environmental impact. This article ignored those issues.
As for taste, maybe Newsweek confused organic with locally-grown; the two are not the same. Local farms can often grow for flavor instead focusing on the longer shelf-life needed for grocery stores.
While most organic items, like produce and milk, have a similar shelf-life to their nonorganic counterparts, bear in mind that organic breads and pastries tend to go bad faster than nonorganic baked goods because ofz the lack of preservatives.
Without the wax protection, pesticides and sprays for mold, fungal growth and other contaminants, organic produce spoils and succumbs to insects and disease faster than conventional produce. A quick glance at the higher numbers of rotten and blemished organic produce in grocery stores bears that out, in my experience.
After a series of tips on how to try to lower the cost of organic food, Newsweek went all out with the comparable price myth:
Finally, buy fruits and vegetables in season and focus on what's easily available, says Barbara Houmann, spokeswoman for the Organic Trade Association. That way, she said, you may find that the prices are just about comparable with nonorganic fruits and veggies.
Organic food simply costs more to produce. Period. What makes organic food organic also make it more expensive. Morgan Stanley found that organic produce in the UK can be up to 63% more expensive than conventional food.
One exception to the organic price disparity is at Wal-Mart. Predictably, Olsen did not mention this, even if it meant that more people could enjoy her wonderful organics. I guess Wal-Mart is just too evil to promote.
Advising people to devote their produce budget to the more expensive organics instead of simply buying as many fruits and vegetables as possible, regardless of how they are grown, limits how much produce people consume. Since study after study shows that eating more fresh fruits and vegetables fights disease and helps us live longer, wouldn't lowering the total amount of produce consumed actually reduce the impact and number of positive effects on our health?
But none of this conflicting information got in the way of the current organic food propaganda.
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My dad is retired from his 9
June 18, 2007 - 21:36 ET by alamojbMy dad is retired from his 9 to 5 job and now grows vegetables and some fruit to sell at the local farmers market. He will do things like spreading newspapers and pine straw around his tomatoes to keep down the weeds- thus limiting his need for herbicides. By the next year he just plows that stuff into the ground. It becomes part of the soil. He also practices crop rotation to stop the spread of some species specific diseases as well as to help the preserve the soil. He will also use ash as fertilizer- of course I am not sure if the modern organic types will do that because of the "global warming" associated with burning brush to make ash.
Be he is not a teetotaler on the use of "chemicals." He will spray for fungus and insects also and will spread industrial fertilizer.
Someone who sprays "chemicals" too much, too often, is like someone who goes to the doctor and demands meds for every little sniffle.
But someone who absolutely refuses to use any modern plant treatments is like someone who refuses to treat diseases (fungus)and parasitic infections (bugs) with modern medicine.
I have read that when insects
June 18, 2007 - 21:48 ET by BDavisI have read that when insects feed on plants, it causes many of those plants to produce their own toxins. This can result in food that is more toxic since the poisons are in the food and cannot be washed off like pesticide.
Huh?I hope you are joking.
June 18, 2007 - 22:15 ET by stratmanHuh?
I hope you are joking.
That is true. Many plants
June 19, 2007 - 04:16 ET by motherbeltThat is true. Many plants produce their own toxins, to keep from being eaten by insects. Potatoes, for instance, contain arsenic. Carrots contain a toxin called carotoxin, which is actually a nerve agent.
We survive because the amounts are small, effective on insects, not humans. And we develop a tolerance for them.
Hell, in a number of cases
June 19, 2007 - 05:06 ET by sarcasmoHell, in a number of cases humans develop quite a fondness for plant toxins which were probably originally aimed at repelling insects...
JMR
Caffeine comes to mind.
June 19, 2007 - 11:19 ET by Conservative VoiceCaffeine comes to mind.
I was responding to the origi
June 19, 2007 - 22:31 ET by stratmanI was responding to the original poster's declaration which sounded alarmist.
Name a food that used to be safe to eat that has become inedible due to its natural toxin production (not due to spoilage/mishadling). What plant species has become completely inedible because it now produces too much toxins?
Eating too many carrots can cause carotenemia, which is harmless in and of itself. In order to have true Vitamin A toxicity in an otherwise healthy individual typically requires exogenous Vit A overusage or someone that eats a gross amount, both literally and figuratively, of carrots. It is exceedingly rare for carrots to cause real harm and potential for death and typically requires either other concurrent health issues or psychologically compulsive carrot eating to the exclusion of most other food over a long period of time.
Potato leaves and green skin caused by leaving potatoes exposed to light contain Solanine which is a neurotoxin and can be harmful to humans. When was the last time you ate any part of the potato plant but the tuber? Any illness from the potato plant is due to one's mishandling of the plant or tuber. This missappropriation of the potato is akin to mishandling of meat, poultry and dairy such that harmful bacteria is allowed to multiply and harm you after ingestion. These foods that are not harmful to eat, and never have been as far as anyone knows, unless and until mishandled.
BTW, these natural toxin constituents are same or greater than with the foods grown by modern farming methods.
And yes, I enjoy the poison known as caffeine on a daily basis. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger, right? ;)
Oh yeah, forgot to say that &
June 19, 2007 - 22:48 ET by stratmanOh yeah, forgot to say that "carotoxin" is nowhere to be found in my biochemistry, physiology, microbiology or pathology books. Nor have I ever seen it discussed in any academic or online professional group, including discussions of food poisoning or neurotoxins.
In fact, a google search of "carotoxin" results in near 100% self-serving organic foods discussions or sales pitches. The one site that I am unsure about is in German, but the Europeans have been enamoured with unscientific alternative medicine for years that I am suspicious of that one site to begin with. There were zero American medical professional websites discussing carotoxin. The implication is that this word is either a recent construct, most likely a politically correct form of an actual word or words, or, it is a fabrication.
I organicize my stuff, I wa
June 18, 2007 - 22:21 ET by Night WatchmanI organicize my stuff, I wash off the bug spray with organic tap water.
I'm a real stickler like that.
I simply cant get past the wo
June 18, 2007 - 21:54 ET by general companyI simply cant get past the word organic: "relating or belonging to the class of chemical compounds having a carbon basis; "hydrocarbons are organic compounds" By this definition all edibles are organic, plus just about everything else as well. Imagine the conversation I had with the Vegan Coworker. So my apples are not organic?
"Imagine the conversatio
June 18, 2007 - 22:12 ET by alamojb"Imagine the conversation i had with the Vegan Coworker."
LOL. If it is not "organically grown" it might have evil "chemicals" in it made by Chemists at "Big Oil."
for that matter oil is orga
June 19, 2007 - 01:46 ET by Conservative Voicefor that matter oil is organic.
Organic produce isn’t jus
June 18, 2007 - 22:13 ET by motherbeltOrganic produce isn’t just healthy and better for the environment, it tastes better, too, according to Charles Benbrook, chief scientist for The Organic Center.
Oh, sure it does. And I'll bet that Charles Benbrook insists that nonfat, frozen yogurt, tastes just like regular ice cream.
Nothing better than a couple
June 18, 2007 - 22:15 ET by Ky. Horse LadyNothing better than a couple of nice organic venison chops off the grill!
Yes i like mine rare, BTW I
June 19, 2007 - 01:41 ET by upcountrywaterYes i like mine rare,
BTW I have some organic buffalo ribeye on my counter top marinating right now! (yes not in the frig, it's getting warm, oh no!) kuz it's going on my grill (where it's going to get much warmer!) My old grill it's layered with plenty of carbon deposits I'm using (organic! not?) charcoal brickettes! Dare I say I use filtered dinosaur liquid to flame my carbon charcoal.
Yes, and with the same logi
June 19, 2007 - 01:52 ET by Conservative VoiceYes, and with the same logic I claim to be vegetarian...the cow that I eat is just processed veggies :)
Water is water, and food is food. These tree huggers crack me up.
The organic food fad is simil
June 18, 2007 - 22:25 ET by stratmanThe organic food fad is similar to the anti-immunization crowd. Both groups have either forgotten, or most likely, never lived in a time when the food was at the mercy of pests and spoilage before modern farming or the devastation and fear from a variety of diseases prior to immunizations.
People worked hard to improve farming and public health for a reason. Those chemicals aren't used in farming or injected into our bodies willynilly. Bad things happened prior to these improvements. Very bad things.
I have doubt that our produce bounty can be maintained by returning to "organic" farming. We would need to utilize a great deal more land, resources (it takes water to make the stuff folks) and be significantly more costly. Have these idiots only shopped in a Wild Oats without looking at the prices in the regular grocery stores?
Why are some people hellbent on returning to the 19th century? It was NOT an easier life, folks. Simpler but more deadly from a health point of view.
You hit the nail on the hea
June 19, 2007 - 07:00 ET by motherbeltYou hit the nail on the head. When people say they think everything should be grown organically, they never take into account what that would entail. Like the anti-preservative crowd, they never think that their bread will go stale in a day, that a box of Cheerios would have to be tossed in a week, or that foods will rot on the way to the supermarket from the farm. But you know, they are the "good people" who have all the "right intentions."
The true believers will even pledge to consume only food grown within 25 miles of home. That may work for them, but it's not for everyone. I sometimes think they think the agrarian society of yesteryear with everyone subsisting off their own farms, was the ideal. It only looks good on "Little House on the Prairie."
Oh I think people know
June 19, 2007 - 12:47 ET by UndercoverConservativeMotherbelt:
I fear these folks know *exactly* how dangerous and costly such a movement is. If such a movement becomes widespread enough, it becomes a version of the "eugenics" that academia and Hollywood were enamored with before it became synonymous with the defeated Nazis in WWII. The more enlightened, "deserving" (a.k.a. wealthy) folks can afford a premium on supplies for basic survival, while those forced into an urban setting by price of land, employment, etc. would find themselves either starving or relying on (controlled by) a socialist welfare system.
I fear the proponents of these sorts of movements are exactly and consciously aware of what entails by these ideas, which is why they keep bringing such foolishness back every generation.
I remember this same crap d
June 18, 2007 - 22:48 ET by robert108I remember this same crap during the Seventies; it wasn't true then, either.
Newsweek implores us to buy &
June 18, 2007 - 23:42 ET by jdhawkNewsweek implores us to buy "organic" food, when what they should be encouraging is that Americans eat fruits and vegetables of any kind. The assumption is that the average Americans' diet is balanced with fresh fruits and vegetables already. Evidence just doesn't hold that to be true.
But, who reads Newsweek anyway? When you get their rag the stuff in it is already at least a week old. And, like this article, it is just "organic!"
Ethylene Oxide ripening
June 19, 2007 - 01:25 ET by Cool ArrowI'm no bleedin heart Liberal, but I do wonder sometimes what the effect of Ethylene Oxide ripening has on the efficacy fruits.
I find, much to my amusemen
June 19, 2007 - 01:05 ET by sarcasmoI find, much to my amusement and especially when they first started selling it, that both the political left and the political right didn't exactly know how to deal with the idea of WalMart selling organic produce. As a libertarian, I got the sense of somewhat-confused minds on the left & right respectively, muttering to themselves either: "well, it's organic, but it's WalMart!" or "well, it's WalMart, but it's organic!"
JMR
Free will
June 19, 2007 - 01:15 ET by Cool ArrowThere was once a discussion in Church philosophy that revolved around placing sources of water on either side of a beast of burden equidistant from the animal.
The hypothesis was that the animal would die of thirst having no free will to decide.
OK, so this is just cute fluff and totally unrelated. So what?
Organic and Health care, what
June 19, 2007 - 06:47 ET by general companyOrganic and Health care, what are we to do?
Has anyone ever read a book o
June 19, 2007 - 07:53 ET by ThoughtPoliceHas anyone ever read a book or seen a movie about organic vs. non-organic food. I tend to find most opinions are based on very little knowledge of the subject, but rather more emotion. I know this true for me especially, or at least thats how I used to be. I can't contend to state such blanket statements about something unless I have at least tried to find out about it first.
I'm sure a quick google search or amazon.com look up will do many here good.
That's funny, TP
June 19, 2007 - 07:59 ET by RJ"Has anyone ever read a book...."
That's funny, TP, and a great example of both leftist self-satisfied elitism and the leftist tendency to ascribe their own behavior to others.
Ahh, remember the olden days
June 19, 2007 - 08:15 ET by Jack BauerAhh, remember the olden days when everyone ate organic. It was the only game in town.
Nah, me neither. That was before the farming revolution which followed the industrial revolution. When most people died young, and malnourished.
Jack --here's a real threat--
June 19, 2007 - 08:32 ET by misterbillJack --here's a real threat--organic crops are subject to reduction due to insects. Some IDIOT wil import some bug that eats these insects and then become a scourge 100 times worse than the bugs. Or else they will import bug-resisitant crops --like Kudzu--, <sarc> I see lines of people waiting for the doors to open so they can buy their breakfast kudzu.<sarc>
misterb -- the watermelon's (
June 19, 2007 - 09:08 ET by Jack Bauermisterb -- the watermelon's (green on the outside, red thru and thru, for those who don't know) wetdream is a return to the good old organic days...
stunted crops fertilized and covered in horse manure, picked by serfs. Oh wait, we've already got the picked by serfs part!
jack--most of the picker's must come from CA---
June 19, 2007 - 09:20 ET by misterbilljack--most of the picker's must come from CA---I hear them shout "Serfs up!!".
And they help by eating the watermelons that Americans won't eat.
LOL misterbill... funny dude.
June 19, 2007 - 09:23 ET by Jack BauerLOL misterbill... funny dude.
Whenever I hear 'watermelons,' I think of Mr. Majestyk as played by Charles Bronson!
"Sarah Bratnober, comm
June 19, 2007 - 07:53 ET by Dave in Texas"Sarah Bratnober, communications director at the Organic Valley Family
of Farms, advises following the 80/20 rule—80 percent of the benefits
come from 20 percent of the purchases. Think about what your family
eats the most of, then go from there."
Okay, first of all, you got organic food purchasing advice from the "communications director at the Organic Valley Family of Farms"? What? The president of "Buy Organic or Die" wasn't available?
And the advice seems to be completely useless. Buy organic versions of what my family eats most of? How is that supposed to save me money buying organic foods?
The sad fact is, organic is m
June 19, 2007 - 07:59 ET by ThoughtPoliceThe sad fact is, organic is more expensive? Why? I dunno, don't you think that our farmers should be able to grow a high quality product with a low price? Unfortunately, our food has been so depeleted of any content (same soil, same seed, tons of herbicides, pesticides, and now being genetically modified by the big corps) people are willing to pay more so they can have the same quality they had 60 years ago.
I think of buying food as a very important investment. It's like with anything. You either pay $1,000 for a beater that gets you from point A to point B (maybe) or you spend $10,000 and have a very dependable ride...the choice is yours...
Thoughtpolice, go walk throug
June 19, 2007 - 11:27 ET by Conservative VoiceThoughtpolice, go walk through the field...it will be good for the field, as you spread so much BS...at least the plants will appreciate it more.
its more expensive because it requires more man power, you get less crop due to insects, and because people like you are duped into thinking it costs more so it must be better.
What you claimed above is false false and false. Agriculture is growing more high quality food and such a bounty we are cooking our excess to make car fuel.
"The biggest conspirac
June 19, 2007 - 11:30 ET by Free Stinker"The biggest conspiracy has always been the fact that there is no conspiracy. Nobody's out to get you. Nobody gives a $#!t whether you live or die. There, you feel better now?" --Dennis Miller
Freedom of choice- the more o
June 19, 2007 - 08:11 ET by CapitalismRulesFreedom of choice- the more options in the marketplace, the better as long as those making those choices are responsible for their actions.
Organic is cool!
June 19, 2007 - 08:57 ET by oakbladeThere are a lot of people that are sensitive to the chemical additives in foods. For us organic foods are a good thing. If you want to find out more about organic foods, I suggest looking up information from a naturopathic physician. These doctors use a whole body approach based on natural remedies and deal extensively with these matters.